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Antibiotic Alternatives for Doctors and their Patients

By William Bodri
Chapter 1: Interview with Peter Lindemann

BB: Peter, you are one of the world experts on blood electrification research and
equipment, and so I thank you for taking this time to talk with me about blood
electrification and several other means to fight infections.

Im sure that in this interview well also get into some other topics involving a variety
of alternative antibiotic, antiviral and antifungal approaches to killing bacteria, fungi,
viruses and mycoplasmas because of your researches and personal experiences in
this field. However, Im going to leave the detailed discussions on these other areas
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to interviews with other researchers. Nonetheless, Im sure that in covering several


of these other areas in brief, such as immune stimulating herbs and trying to alter
the bodys internal terrain so that infections are less likely to take hold or survive,
well set the stage for a deeper understanding when I get to those topics.

Peter, as you know there are a number of different ways to kill infections in the
human body. Colloidal silver is one of these often cited means, blood electrification
is another, you can rev up your immune system using vitamin C and vitamin A, you
can increase your bodys temperature with an artificial fever so that white blood cells
become more efficient scavengers for attacking invaders, you can change your
internal biological terrain so that it doesnt favor the growth of bacteria or viruses
anymore, you can deprive microbes of the necessary nutrients they need to survive

PL: Or interrupt their metabolism or theres a whole wide variety of other different
ways to deal with them.

BB: And blood electrification is one of these methods.

I really want to introduce this paradigm more than almost any other because I see
the promise in it. It holds lots of promise not just because it works but because big
business can make money out of it, and Im sorry to say thats one of the
considerations when trying to evaluate which of these alternative approaches are
most likely to attract research dollars and become commonly used because of a
governments blessing.

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My hope, however, is that if theres a whole book of alternative paradigms to fighting
infections rather than just the standard antibiotic approach, smart people will pick up
on whats available and that a whole host of alternatives are available rather than
mainstream antibiotics, which are losing their effectiveness. Researchers in
particular will also find a whole smorgasbord of research opportunities with the
issues already laid out.

After someone reads this book, I not only hope that they will learn how to help
themselves but that the smartest researchers out there will pick up on these
indications and know where to concentrate their efforts.

Frankly, the path weve been following these last few decades of just concentrating
on developing new antibiotics has pretty much reached its limits and is a doomed
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approach in the future for a variety of reasons, one of which is the growing numbers
of antibiotic resistant bacteria. Evolutionarily speaking, that has to happen, so this
book is my own way of addressing something that has strategic or national security
significance. People dont think of this topic in this way until a big plague or
something similar comes along, but indeed thats what this is.

With that behind us, Peter, I want to get right to the heart of the issue which is to say
that theres an awful lot of controversy about this whole paradigm of electrifying the
blood to get rid of pathogens.

Whats this blood electrification paradigm and approach all about? Does blood
electrification work in killing invading bacteria and viruses, and if so, how and why?

PL: The phenomenon of blood electrification is based on, and goes back to, early
discoveries in electromedicine in the late 1890s and earlier.

When batteries first started becoming available, Galvani back in the 1800s was
connecting frog tissues to batteries and watching the legs jump even with dead
frogs. In other words, even at the very earliest stages of the exploration of electricity,
humans just had this inescapable curiosity of what happens if I attach it to my body.

The upscale party go-er in the 1870s might, in their tuxedos and things, been
attached to a hand cranked generator and everybody would get a jolt. That was a
fun thing to do. They didnt know whether it did anything. In other words, people
have been connecting themselves to electricity as far back as electricity goes. It was
only a matter of time before they started noticing certain things that were beneficial.

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Patents started showing up early in the 1870s, 1880s and 1890s suggesting a wide
variety of benefits, and thats curative type benefits. And so there was a HUGE
growing electro-medicine field out of which Abrams work came, which ultimately
developed into radionics and a wide variety of other things.

At the turn of the century -- were talking about the turn of the century from the 19th
century to the 20th century -- the practice of medicine was essentially this. If you
went to a doctor with a whole bunch of symptoms, the doctor -- if he had any chops
at all --started with the assumption that you had syphilis. The whole diagnostic
process was that he had to prove to himself that you didnt have syphilis before he
would even look at any other possible cause.

BB: Really?
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PL: Absolutely. Thats what medicine was.

BB: Thats interesting.

PL: Everyone has completely lost sight of that. If you look at the work of Abrams, for
instance, the primary goal of his therapeutics was to diagnose syphilis correctly and
to treat it electrically.

BB: Interesting. Ive never heard this from anyone. So the big focus was syphilis? It
was that rampant?

PL: Syphilis was known as the great pretender. It could show up as anything
because what syphilis primarily did was suppress the immune system and therefore
all sorts of other opportunistic infections would show up.

Today we call it AIDS. Back then they knew what it was. They called it syphilis. But if
you do a straight across the board list of symptoms, opportunistic infections, on and
on and on ... and you lay syphilis and its primary, secondary, and tertiary
presentations next to the AIDS-arc, its the same list.

The other thing is people like Dr. Kaposi.

BB: Yes, Kaposis Sarcoma.

PL: Yes, the skin lesions associated with AIDS. Kaposi was looking at the
cancerous dermatological presentations of syphilis.

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It wasnt until the 1970s when Nixon started the American Cancer Society, in other
words when he started the war on cancer that they pulled everything that had to do
with cancer away from its literature context and piled it in a big new pile so that all
the discussion about Kaposi, pneumacystic pneumonias and all these other things
that were directly and always associated with tertiary syphilis now were separated
from their context so that now, when the AIDS thing shows up twenty years later,
theres a whole new generation of doctors who knew nothing about it. They knew
nothing about how syphilis had been treated historically.

Up until the development of the electrical methods and the early methods using
silver, the main treatment for syphilis was mercury.
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In fact, there are two primary metals that kill germs the best. Mercury is the best and
silver is the second best. Of course mercury is toxic to everything and silver is toxic
to nothing, and those are the reasons why the development of high grade colloidal
silver has become so vitally important in this overall thing because it is the only other
metal that has this enzymatic action against microorganisms.

But lets go back to electricity.

BB: All right.

PL: Patents started issuing on using electricity for the sterilization of water as early
as about 1897.

I have a patent here by Fernando Jones called Apparatus for Electrically Treating
Liquids. All he does is he has basically a column of material that he allows the
liquid to go through (in this case he wanted to sterilize milk, so this was an early
pasteurization process using electricity rather than heat) and he found that by
running a small amount of electricity through the milk that it would destroy all kinds
of bacteria and microbes.

This is the wording he used: electrical or electrolytic action for the purpose of
eliminating therefrom animal matter and organic impurities of all kinds or destroying
bacteria and microbes in order to render it pure and wholesome for drinking and
other purposes.

They didnt know about viruses and all sorts of other things in 1897 but what they did
know is that if they put the milk through this process it wouldnt sour. It wouldnt sour

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so fast. They knew the souring process was related to fermentation due to bacterial
growth so they found out if they killed off these various microorganisms in the liquid
it wouldnt spoil.

Hundreds of patents have issued on treating water and other water based fluids
with electricity for purification since this time, since the late 1890s. So this is known.
This is like what we call prior art.

In the 1980s, in the late 1980s a group of doctors at Albert Einstein School of
Medicine in New York City, when looking at some of this stuff ... and they had a petri
dish full of AIDS infected blood and they thought, Hmm, what the heck, lets
throw a few electrodes in here and electrocute the blood in the dish and see what
happens.
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What they found was that the virus stopped multiplying. The electricity didnt kill it but
it rendered it inert. In other words, it stopped being able to do anything to harm
the blood ,,, and it stopped being able to reproduce.

BB: Is that like shocking it into senselessness and then it would start again or

PL: It was forever done. It didnt die but its kind of like if you neuter a cat then its
not going to sire any kids.

BB: Could it still infect other cells?

PL: Nope. It couldnt do a thing. It became inert. It wasnt dead but it became inert.

Now typically when this is done chemically, electrically, or whatever then the term for
this process in medicine is called attenuation. They found they could produce
electro-attenuation and they started studying this process and they found that if they
put too much electricity in, it would damage the blood cells. And if they put it too little
the attenuation effect would go away.

Lets put it this way. For a microorganism to cause an infection, it uses a chemical
process which is referred to as receptor site technology. In other words, there must
be some sort of analogous chemical structure on the surface of the microorganism
that corresponds to some chemical structure in some tissue of your body.

When you get a cold, it doesnt attack your fingernails. It goes to your sinuses and
that has to do with receptor site technology. If you have genital herpes it doesnt

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come out as scabs on your elbows. It stays where it goes because thats where the
receptor sites are.

BB: Good example.

PL: This is just the way it goes in living things. So what they found was that the
passage of electricity past the microorganisms caused a change in the receptor site
technology of the microorganism. Whether or not it changed the shape of the
chemical compounds on the surface or whether something else happened, as far as
I know no one has fully described the exact action.

BB: So thats a future avenue of research modern medicine should explore.


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PL: In other words, for us to know exactly how the receptor site technology becomes
unavailable is not known when this process happens. However we do know the
receptor site technology stops functioning.

BB: In terms of this, a virus or bacteria is going to hook up onto cells that have the
necessary receptor sites that make them vulnerable. Is it that the cells will change or
is it that the receptors on the bacteria and viruses will change? Is there a difference
between the two, are they the same, or is one knocked out more than another?

PL: Again, what the doctors at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine found was
that there was a window within which, at which the electricity could be applied that
damaged the receptor sites of the microorganisms without damaging the body.

BB: Because they found that too much electricity could damage

PL: could damage the cells of your body and not enough would fail to produce
the attenuation process. But they did find there was an overlap window where the
blood was not harmed nor was tissue harmed that they could determine, but that the
receptor site technology of the microorganisms was rendered inert. So theres a
window of error.

That window if you are going to have a blood electrification technology that is safe
and effective in the terms of the FDA and of course in the alternative field we
cannot use the terms safe and effective regardless of what the U.S. Constitution
says about our free speech, but what we can say is that there is a science whereby
there is a level of electricity that can be applied to the blood that does not harm the
blood but which renders microorganisms inert.

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The exact protocols as to where that window lives exists in a number of patents and
these patents were issued in the early 1990s.

BB: So people did a lot of the research and while they didnt publish the research
they put the results into the patents.

PL: Correct. In 1992 and 1993 those were the years. Unlike all of the popular
jargon about how important frequency of electricity applied to the body is -- all the
Rife stuff and all these gazillion frequency generators, the Hulda Clark stuff, all these
things -- none of that relates to this process. Not any of it. This is a completely
different mechanism.
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BB: Good point.

PL: That is vital for people to know. This is not a frequency related event and the
best evidence for this is that there were two patents issued to Steven Kaali and his
associates at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine. One of them was for the
treatment of blood with alternating current and one of them was for the treatment of
blood with direct current.

Both work. Both work at the same level. Both work at the same current intensities
and since direct current works, it obviously has nothing whatever to do with
frequency since there are no frequencies in direct current.

To back this up further, theres another patent issued to Peter Lathrop in 1992 called
Method for Treating Herpes Simplex. This was a very, very simple device
consisting of two electrodes, a nine volt battery and a resistor.

All he did was when people felt like they were getting a facial herpes outbreak
you would usually get a kind of a precursor itchy kind of sensation before an
outbreak would happen and what he had people do in a clinical trial is stick this
device, with its two probes, on either side of that tingly sensation and pass a little bit
of electricity from the 9-volt battery straight through that area. He would have them
do that for 15 seconds once a hour. Now that aint much.

The people in the trial who were able to do that and start treatment upon their first
sensations had zero outbreaks. Thats a significantly low number.

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So again, the significant proof or lets just say evidence that the application of
electric current through an area that is resident with microorganisms renders those
microorganisms unable to do what they were planning to do.

BB: This will hold for bacteria and viruses, it seems. What about fungi and
parasites?

PL: There is no microorganism where this doesnt work that has been identified.
There is no short list of microorganisms that are not susceptible to this technique
and it clearly works systemically in the blood and locally in other tissues.

I have successfully seen situations where we put one of these blood electrifiers with
the electrodes on either side of an ear during a raging and painful ear infection and
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one-and-a-half hours later it was gone. So the use of these things for local infections
even ones deep in the tissue is significant.

BB: If you can get the electricity to the tissue.

PL: Yes, if you can get the electricity to the tissue there will be an interaction. We
cannot say benefit because that would be a medical claim but we can say there will
be an interaction. The electricity will the microorganisms will have their response
to the electricity.

BB: Thats a really important point. You just have to get it there. You have to get the
electricity to reach the region.

PL: See, this is the thing, The human body is a complex system. If you can get the
electricity to the affected zone, it works. If it isnt working, it isnt because it doesnt
work. Its because you didnt get significant amounts of electricity to the affected
area, and this again ... in other words, there is no evidence at all, there is zero
evidence to suggest that this doesnt work. A hundred percent of the evidence
suggests this works all the time.

BB: Well, this brings up, though, the danger of the ignorant practitioner

PL: Absolutely.

BB: Its not that its not working, but that the electricity is not getting there, so that
person might say, Let me crank up the current so that hopefully theres a spillover
effect and the electricity will get there.

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PL: But that may not be the best way.

BB: Right, that may not be the best way but thats really the trick of the therapy then,
which is to figure out some way to get the electricity there.

PL: Right, right. In other words, what other means can you apply? How best can you
determine a way to get the electricity to the affected tissue? That is the art. The
technology works but in the hands of a non-artist you still get non-artistic effects.

BB: Good analogy.

PL: That said, we must go further because applying direct current to any tissue in
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the body causes polarization.

If you simply apply direct current to water, it breaks down into hydrogen and oxygen
by electrolysis. And if you simply apply direct current across any set of tissues, the
ionization process because of the singular, unidirectional movement of current
causes a polarization of charge on either side of the membranes, which if it builds up
to a certain level, can be fatal to those cells. Therefore the application of direct
current to the body is not recommended.

Therefore, it has always been understood that the best way of applying these
currents to the body was in the alternating current form. Because most of the things
on the market are portable and run on a battery which starts with direct current,
typically they are very simple straightforward circuitry which chops the power and
reverses it and this creates what is typically known in the vernacular or genre of the
stuff as bi-phasic stimulation.

Going back to the Kaali patents, there were two situations which were tested and
proven to not produce cell damage. One of them was 60-cycle AC electricity, which
they simply stepped down the voltage with a transformer and applied very, very
small amounts. Just a few volts and a few hundred microamperes at 60-cycle AC,
pure sine waves.

BB: Youre talking about the Albert Einstein fellows?

PL: Im talking about Steven Kaali and his group and the patent they issued on the
alternating current method for blood treatment.

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BB: Thats 50-100 microamps.

PL: Correct, but that was with pure 60-cycle sine waves and they found that there
were levels of applying this actually the levels could go above 100 microamps
but at 60-cycles pure sine waves they found no cell damage in the blood.

Also for short treatments of direct current they saw no cell damage.

Many of the devices out there use what are referred to as bi-phasic stimulation. A
protocol was developed by Dr. Robert C. Beck focused on the application of a 4-
cycle square wave stimulation.

BB: And they just use the square wave because it was a simple
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PL: ... They just use it because it was a simple electronic circuit to take DC and chop
it up into two reversing pulses.

BB: basically the technology was easier so

PL: ... It was very simple. It was a very unsophisticated circuit. It can be done with a
few chips.

And so the devices that were doing this started hitting the market in 1994 or 1995.
Beckss original device, plans, etc. you could buy all the parts at a Radio Shack. It
was a 555 timer driving a mechanical relay which switched the voltages and this
produced a pure square wave. Later on the guy miniaturized it using a few op amp
chips but it was essentially the same output.

Now when you strapped this thing to your arm and you start applying more current,
what happens is that the square wave well, first the application of the current
produces the attenuation effect and people get good results. It works. Okay?
However, square waves have an infinite number of odd harmonics at high
frequencies overlaying the longer wave reversals.

BB: Oh, really?

PL: Absolutely, thats what a square wave is by definition.

BB: Oh, not harmonics in terms of ... okay, okay I see what youre saying. That
exact square wave is a combination of different harmonics youre saying.

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PL: Different harmonics of what would be their equivalent sine wave.

BB: Right, rather than a sine wave just being itself.

PL: Yes. A sine wave is just a single wave. A square wave is the sine wave at that
frequency with all of the extra odd harmonics which fill out the square. They are
very, very rapid waves.

When the square wave comes on and it comes on, say within a microsecond to full
intensity, that means its got one million hertz waves in it Thats way more than four
cycles.
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BB: Right. This is an important point for people. Because of that jumpiness and the
extra harmonics, I know what youre going to say next.

PL: Well, what people immediately started noticing is that when they cranked up the
power on this thing they would start feeling a significant tingling effect. If they
cranked it up a little bit more theyd see their muscles start to jump. You would start
getting a spontaneous muscle contraction with the use of this device.

BB: Like a TENS unit?

PL: Some of these things were even more significant than that. For some people
this is pretty uncomfortable but some people learned to love it. Whats happened is
that you end up with these ads recently for things like The Abdominizer which have
been specifically designed and developed to do that, which is create this
uncontrollable muscle contraction. The ads say Yes, you can have abs of steel
while watching TV.

That effect, in the blood electrification genre, is an unwanted side effect. Its
unnecessary for the device to create it and has nothing whatever to do with the
effectiveness of the production of the attenuation effect. Therefore it also makes it
dangerous for a number of other reasons which well get into later when we talk a
little bit about electroporation.

However, in the early days Beck was quite adamant about that people were either
going to do it his way because he was the guy who figured out how to do this, or
they were using what became in the vernacular a modified wave.

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Becks basic idea was that if youre not doing it my way then youre doing it the
wrong way.

Never being shy to do all the research, a group of us in Albuquerque, starting in


about 1995, decided to go back through the patents

BB: Which no one else has done

PL: And actually read the patents -- all the patents that have anything to do with the
prior art. Ultimately I published a book called, A Case for Electrotherapy: Selected
U.S. Patents, where we republished twenty of these patents.

BB: I have that book. Is that the cream of the crop of all of them?
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PL: No! Thats not the cream of the crop of all of them. Thats just a representative
sample! Many of these patents are the ones listed as the references in the Kaali
patent.

BB: I was trying to get at how you came up with picking those

PL: They were simply I had a stack of patents that we pulled that was five
inches high. The book is only three-quarters of an inch thick, thankfully, but its still
such a mountain of data.

Ive had doctors call me up and say, Is there anything to this? and I talk to them for
about an hour and say, Look, what you really need to do is buy this book, read this
stuff and decide for yourself. They say, Fine, okay, and they buy the book.

They call me back in about 5 months and they dont even want to talk about
anything. They just say, Can I buy your equipment? The case is so powerful that
there is efficacy here that well, what the patents show is not only is electricity
being used to kill microorganisms in blood but in water and milk and beer production
and diesel oil. Electricity is being used to kill microorganisms in anything and
everything they can think of.

Why not use it safely in the body? It is moving slowly and quietly into ubiquitous use
industrially. That is simply a fact. The patents are all over the world. Theyre from
Italy, New Zealand, Australia, Europe, all over.

BB: Can you think of some industrial applications now?

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PL: Theyre using it in Australia to make sure some infectious organisms dont
develop in feed lines in beer production factories so they dont have to stop
production and sterilize the pipes periodically.

Do you know what that costs to shut down production to clean the pipes? They dont
do that. They just electrocute it and keep going. Im just saying that the techniques
are moving into industrial use.

BB: I wanted to pull this fact out because this type of information makes people
wake up to the fact that theres scientific proof for this type of approach, which is the
fact that it obviously works in all types of liquids so blood shouldnt be an exception.
Furthermore, the fact that industry already uses it begs the question, why not use it
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elsewhere?

The existence of the Abdominizer or TENS units, by the way, also show that its safe
to use electricity in this way for the human body. So theres no excuse not to pursue
this line of research. Its a national security issue so it should be done.

The only downside is the fact that pharmaceutical giants might lose billions in
antibiotic revenues from the development of another approach, but even there the
writing is on the wall since antibiotics are losing their effectiveness. Every generation
of bacteria that survives builds up an immunity against the antibiotics used on them
and the newest ones are so toxic that they can cripple or kill you.

So the pharmaceutical giants are going to lose billions anyway when the antibiotics
stop working, and a country needs to look at health and security issues rather than
money issues when it comes to this type of thing. Thats why this type of research
should be government funded.

Government should fund what industry wont fund due to the fact that theres no way
for industry to make money on a line of research because of the lack of patent
protection.

PL: The beer line patent is just one of the industrial applications we put in the book.
This methodology, this paradigm is very powerful. If you get it, you get it.

We looked very carefully at the 4-cycle square wave devices that were on the
market at the time. And going back through the patents we could clearly see there
was absolutely nothing in these patents which suggested that 4-cycle square waves

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either worked better or had any advantage whatsoever. In fact, we could clearly see
disadvantages because of the spontaneous muscle contraction side effects.

We went back and developed a circuitry which produced a different wave form a
wave form which caused the reversals of current to happen much more slowly than
you would see in a square wave. We called it a clipped triangle wave where youve
got a very slanting side. In other words, it takes a lot of time for the wave to change
polarity instead of letting it go to a peak and dropping off again, we clipped it off so
that it had a flat plateau, a slanting reversal and then a flat plateau. So you could call
it a trapezoid wave, or a clipped triangle.

This did not have anything like the number of high frequency odd harmonics that the
square waves had and we found that this worked very well. We went with extremely
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slow reversals. We went with half a hertz. In other words, one full cycle every two
seconds. This made it about as close to DC as you could get without a significant
polarization effect building up.

BB: The polarization basically happens to any type of cell or organism that is
exposed to current if its there long enough.

PL: Exactly. If you just keep applying potential in the same direction, positive ions
build up on one side of the membrane and negative ions build up on the other side
of the membrane and

BB: and youll have a gradiant

PL: youll have a huge gradiant and everything in-between because the current is
trying to move in one direction.

BB: So everything microscopically will have the gradiant and that would also
produce electrolysis in the blood?

PL: Yep, all those things. So what we did, we attempted to come up with a very,
very slow reversal and a very, very slow reversal wait. In the field, this device was
extremely effective because now we could apply 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700,
800 microamperes with complete comfort -- almost no sensations whatsoever.

According to the DC patent issued to Kaali it showed clearly that in this range, up to
about a milliamp, which is a thousand microamps, effectiveness went linear with
intensity. So the more electricity in this range you could get in, the faster it worked.

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BB: So he actually had charts of the results of the effect according to current.

PL: If you look on page 36 of my book, theyve got charts of basically duration and
intensity showing complete eradication at 100 microamps. At 100 microamps there
was complete eradication with virus dilutions all the way up to 1:320 parts, so it
basically shows a linear progression.

BB: I was wondering because some of the charts Ive seen with electroporation,
which well get to later, are different.

PL: This has nothing to do with electroporation.


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BB: Yes, I know that.

PL: Basically what it shows is that the longer you do the better it works and the more
intensity you add to it the better it works and therefore, if you can do both, it worked
great.

And if you could do it in a way that was completely comfortable and produced zero
unwanted biological responses, i.e. involuntary muscle contractions and/or nerve
interactions of any kind, the more refined the application was.

Also, if you could apply this to a longer pathway of blood, obviously in other words if
you could electrify more blood for a long period of time and do at higher intensities,
the effectiveness really starts getting to be something to write home about.

BB: So a larger volume of blood affected, for a longer period of time, with higher
current really takes you there.

PL: Right. It really takes you uptown. So these are the systems we developed. Of
course we got nothing but negative flak for from the Beck group even though they
never even looked at what our stuff was doing because Youre not doing it our way.
But we knew that we had followed through on what the data had said and that the
product point that we had come to with the development of our equipment was
superior. And in the field, it worked great and everybody was really happy with it.

BB: and thats all that really matters. The effectiveness. The big picture.

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PL: Ultimately, I still believe the best device for these purposes is yet to be
developed. If and when I ever get around to doing another redevelopment of a
product, I plan on introducing a true slow sine wave device because this, then, would
be really supportive of the fact that there were absolutely no other outer harmonics
in the system. We have looked at approximately an 8- or 9-cycle sine wave as
something that would be possible to produce.

BB: Youre centering on 8- or 9-cycles per second, rather than the chirped sine
wave, simply because its easier to produce it?

PL: Right. Its very, very, very difficult at low power, under the capacitance problems
of passing this stuff through tissue, to produce a half-hertz sine wave. You just
actually cant get the electricity into the body and you cant stabilize the micro-
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circuitry and stuff. Its just too hard, too tough. You have to be able to do it in a
practical way.

This is operating right on the alpha-beta border of nerve firing in the 8-9 cycle range.
You know alpha waves are typically between 8- and 4-cycles per second, beta
waves are between 8-cycles per second up to about 20-cycles per second.

In other words, at the lower end of the normal waking state for neuron firing, what
youre going to see is essentially no interaction. What youre going to see is a
completely benign situation where the nervous system essentially ignores the signal,
which is exactly what you want. You want the nervous system to ignore the signal so
that the electricity can do its thing.

This becomes especially important when you want to apply the electricity from wrist
to wrist right across the chest cavity of your body.

BB: that passes right through the heart region.

PL: Correct, that passes right though the heart region and lungs which, by the way
can be extremely effective in treating lung problems.

It is a highly advantageous method of treating the lungs because you can treat a
large volume of blood this way but you really want to make sure that you have an
electrical signal that the body doesnt care about.

BB: Would this then work for lung cancer because lung cancer is entirely
different? Does this have any effect on cancers?

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PL: Well thats a different topic but in the 40s and 50s and actually through the 60s
and 70s, there have been numerous reports that if you take a tumor in any part of
the body and you just take a needle and you stick that needle down through the skin
down into the tumor and get that right in the middle of the tumor and you put
some electrodes around the skin 3 or 4 or 5 inches away from where the needle is
and you just connect that to a flashlight battery, it will kill the tumor. And if you
make it a silver needle, it kills it faster. This has been done.

BB: Well, youre not saying that this cures cancer.

PL: Of course not.


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BB: But Im coming to the conclusion, Peter, when you look at colloidal silver and
this and all these other methods that one of the big reasons people tend to get
healed is because they are just knocking out so many infections that your immune
system is relieved of a large portion of its burdens and then finally has a chance to
concentrate solely on where its desperately needed.

In other words, your immune system is freed up from having to fight a thousand
battles and then empowered, so-to-speak, to get to work where its really needed
instead of being stretched thin all the time and being unable to target some problem
that needs a cure.

In other words, its not necessarily that the direct application of the method actually
kills the cancer or kills the whatever, but it just basically frees up your immune
system

PL: Right. It takes such a huge load off your immune system

BB: And for a lot of the methods out there, thats exactly what they are doing but
people dont realize it. They actually think that whatever supplement theyre taking or
whatever theyre doing is directly producing a cure such as killing the infection. So
they think that these types of practices are working but actually no -- they arent
doing what people are supposing they are doing, and yet people are getting better.

PL: Sometimes it does

BB: Sometimes it does work directly on the situation, but Im saying

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PL: I agree with you but the body is a whole system

BB: Yes, the body is a whole system and its this systemic approach to the whole
body which does the trick. Thats my conclusion for the majority of the systems Im
looking at, but thats another story.

PL: The thing that should be the primary emphasis of presenting this information, is
that if you add a few of these modalities on top of each other, you can unload the
system of burdens sufficiently so that the body is able to come to a new homeostasis
without the disease process.

BB: Right, thats a key recommendation. Thats why Im going into each of these
approaches.
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What Im trying to say in this book is that heres a new paradigm other than
antibiotics or pharmaceutical antiviral or antifungal agents, and then heres another
one and then another one and another one. People can read the differing
approached for themselves and conclude whether or not its something they should
try or whether as a country seeking basic science we should put some research
dollars in that direction.

Im going to go through several of these paradigms and then say, Now look. A
smart person doesnt just take a higher dosage of vitamin C or whatever during an
infection. Thats not going to solve your problem. You take that and you take the
colloidal silver and you up this factor and you sit in the bathtub to increase your body
temperature, or whatever. Nothing of this is going to harm you and if it works, great!

Blood electrification is one of these options, especially if you are in a life or death
situation. In that case, even the purist has to realize that you should try anything if
youre possibly going to die. The first priority is to save the life. Thats why we feed
poisons to cancer patients with chemotherapy and we dont care if other cells in the
body die whereas with this stuff nothing else is being harmed.

The point is, none of these things is going to harm you anyway and they are so
much more nontoxic, nonharmful, or noninvasive to your system than the currently
favored approaches. If they work then great and if they dont then none of this is
going to harm you and you didnt hurt yourself.

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Use logic. If people have their own money to spend, let them spend it anyway they
like. They are certainly smart enough to read, or even vote for a President so theyre
smart enough to make decisions about their health choices.

I want to present that type of common sense practical approach and also give the
researchers something to pursue that will push the medical horizons forward
because God knows that antibiotics wont work anymore and were running out of
time. Im hoping to encourage some new and more powerful noninvasive methods
that work that will eventually become traditional practice.

If this book is written in the right way, people will pick up on the appropriate research
avenues and go from there. But the information has to be presented in terms of,
Heres not one, but here are 8 or 9 or 10 different paradigms that also work or merit
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investigation and/or development. Go to it.

PL: And if you add all 8 together and can do more for yourself then your chances
of getting ahead on this are increased by mega-times,

BB: Yes, Im doing this for antibiotics because Ive always wanted to do it and
cancer is next because thats a little harder but I already have 5-6 different
paradigms for cancer. But people have to realize it isnt magical supplements that
are going to do this or anything like this.

PL: Cancer and all these things are the same. Are you familiar with a product called
NSC-24?

BB: You mean beta-glucan?

PL: Yes. Definitely cover that for all of these things because what we tell people to
do is when you do a blood electrification, you should also take beta-glucan at the
same time. Thats because what beta-glucan does is go in and tell the body, You
produce more interferon, more prostaglandins, more interlukin-2, more anti-tumor
factor and crank up the white cells and scour all this stuff out of the blood.

The blood electrification goes in attenuating everything, getting it ready to be


scooped up.

Those two things together are like a one-two knockout punch.

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BB: Beta-glucan just tells it to crank up the production of internal germ killing stuff.
You see, vitamin C doesnt produce more white blood cells or anything. It just enters
into the white blood cells and revs them up so that they work harder and faster.

PL: Right. Beta-glucan goes in and attaches to the macrophage of the cell receptor
site contact and the macrophage is the controlling cell which tells the body go do
these things. When a macrophage cell has a beta-glucan attachment, it just goes
out and tells cells to do it more.

www.ncs24.com has a tremendous amount of information about what their product


does. You should take a look. Its way more important than vitamin C.

As an adjunct to blood electrification done correctly, it makes either of those two


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things work synergistically a hundred times better than working individualistically.

Thats what we tell people to do when they buy a blood electrifier. We tell them that if
they are serious and are dealing with cancer or something like this and start doing
this, this is probably going to make the probability of mestastization of your cancer
lower because its going to clean all the shit out of your blood and the blood is how
things gets around. This is going to force localization of the process, which means
they are already going to be a million miles ahead of the game. Itll help prevent the
spreading of the cancer around.

BB: The blood electrification and beta-glucan will help clean everything out of the
blood.

PL: Theyll be attenuated by the blood electrification and then that will be a piece
of junk floating around waiting for a white blood cell to go grab it and take it out
through the lymph. Thats what the beta-glucan says, Go get em tiger.

BB: What people are concentrating on is activation of NK-killer cells and stuff like
that, which I think is a very narrow approach. Its so tiny in its view of things.

PL: Thats a very microscopic aiming approach. Beta-glucan just tells everything to
fire up.

BB: Well, thats certainly better because most approaches are too microscopically
narrow for me, but thats the way the doctors work. Its sort of ridiculous even for a
naturopathic physician to say something like just take maitake, which might be very

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narrow in its scope, when they can do something that has a bigger effect like this ...
it doesnt make sense to spend your money on a narrow approach.

And you dont want to just up your immune system in the sense of making it work
faster because you can tire it out. You can fatigue it by having it running overtime or
going overboard all the time. Thats why many immune enhancing approaches
should be cycled so that you take one supplement this month, a different one next
month and so on so that you cycle through stimulating different aspects of the
immune system this month NK-killer cells, next month macrophages, then thymus
related immunity issues and so on. Smart nutritionists cycle through various
naturopathic immune stimulating agents.

Peter, is there any other substance other than beta glucan, which you might know of,
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that has a systemic effect of helping all the components of the immune system?

PL: We looked at a lot of them and aloe vera has a similar macrophage stimulator
molecule.

The problem with aloe vera is that approximately half of the blood types are allergic
to it systemically. Im one of them so I know all about it. When I take a lot of that type
of stuff, like pure aloe internally, I get constipated internally.

BB: Im the opposite. I get diarrhea.

PL: Im just saying if you look into the blood type diet that two out of the four blood
types are blood allergic to exposure to aloe, but we have seen no allergic reactions if
any type to NSC-24.

BB: Whats your opinion on the various mushroom products that will have immune
stimulating processes?

PL: Those are good. I havent looked at them specifically. There are a number of
herbal plants that have this type of chemical compound in them. One of them is Cats
Claw, uno de gato.

The problem is that you can only buy that pretty much in the united states as a dried
herb and the effectiveness is in the essential oil. So again, the stuff you can buy
doesnt work even though if you could be taking the fresh herb it would work. A
tincture might also work if it was extracted properly.

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BB: Well return to blood electrification, but now that Ive got you on herbs and
youve researched this a little bit because of colloidal silver work and other work on
immune enhancing products what other aromatic herbs have you found good
results with besides oil of oregano?

PL: That type of thing is also very promising. Which we have found a number of
aromatic oils to be absolutely spectacular at immune stimulating capabilities and oil
of oregano is supposed to be one of them.

Weve gone to the point where the kinds of things I do when I get an infection
anymore are so unrelated to what I used to do its ridiculous. Ive gotten to the place
where my immune system is working about 1000 times better than it used to and I
can pretty much handle almost anything thats getting a grip on me just by upping
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my vitamin C at this point or if that doesnt work, by taking a little bit of hydrogen
peroxide in other words, just upping the oxygen a little bit. Beyond that, beginning
treatment at the first symptom is very important.

BB: Yes, thats really important. If you just caught something and know it because
you can feel it even the slightest, then you have to go after it right away before it sets
in deeper, catches hold and then you have to go through the whole sickness cycle
where nothing helps.

PL: I dont wait anymore until its really got a grip on me. The very first time I get a
twinge in my throat then its got my attention somewhere.

When I get that second twinge Im looking in the cupboard to see what Im going to
do and Im popping two or three grams of vitamin C and wait an hour. If I get a full
twinge I do something else

So a very big part of how to handle these things is DONT wait for these things to get
a grip on you. Hit them with a ton of bricks when they are small.

BB: Yes, and dont drink some sugar laden orange juice thinking youre going to get
some helpful vitamin C. The sugar in the drink will almost guarantee you come down
with something since it depresses your immune system for several hours, allowing
any infections to take hold. So when its flu season, the worst thing you could be
doing is glugging down glass after glass of sugar laden vitamin drinks.

PL: Yes, thats another mistake. But make sure youre drinking half a gallon of water
a day.

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BB: Lets backtrack to the electro stuff.

PL: Basically weve pretty much covered blood electrification.

The technology that does these things is best applied with slow, soft reversals of
current. It is the current itself the movement of the current past the microorganism
that somehow interrupts its receptor site technology. The exact mechanism we dont
understand but we do know it works and therefore its worth doing.

BB: The electric current passed through the blood basically stuns them, and then
theyre just sort of floating around and the immune system can come along and
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PL: Right, it doesnt kill them.

BB: So what you really need to do is you definitely need to have some other
protocol as well that just comes in and revs ups the immune system

PL: Correct, you need mopping up action. Weve already rendered everything to
dust on the floor but we still need to sweep the floor.

BB: The attenuation process did that change any ability for hormones or nutrients
to enter the cells?

PL: Nope. Nothing weve ever seen weve never seen any negative interactions.

BB: What about the electrification process possibly weaken the cells?

PL: Not if its done correctly, if its done in a gentle manner. Square waves do
weaken cells because of the very, very rapid change in polarization and we can go
into the topic of electroporation that helps explain that.

The best information we have on exactly what electroporation is, and how to
accomplish it, is well described in the Donald Chang patent issued in 1989.

BB: Theres some firms out there now trying to do that, to use electroporation to
deliver anti-cancer drugs.

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PL: Correct. Theyve got drugs or molecules that are so large that they cant get
them to be absorbed by cells so they tear open a tissue temporarily so that they can
get these larger molecules in.

BB: But some folks have written that its not really the electroporation which is
doing it but theres something called transfection in which cells are more rapidly
absorbing things during electrification rather than the electroporation thats doing it.

PL: The understanding of what is really happening at the cellular level is still
growing.

It has been suggested in the public mind that electroporation can be characterized in
this manner: the application of electricity causes the temporary opening of an
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artificial pore in a tissue. In other words, an opening or hole opens up in the tissue
and when the stimulation is turned off the artificial pore closes down again and the
tissue is back to where it was and that this is in the way that electroporation has
been described.

Personally, I dont buy it for a second.

What I believe electroporation does, and what happens when you cause a very rapid
change in the polarization of a cell tissue is that the charges on either side of the
tissue rather than dissipating away from the tissue and then reaggregating from the
same side in the opposite direction, what more often happens is that the ions simply
tear through the tissue and switch places.

So in other words it isnt like the membrane is completely impermeable and that a
pressure in one direction is bled off to go down to a pressure of zero and then a
pressure builds up on the opposite side. That isnt what happens.

What happens is that ions just have so much tension on them that they just tear
through the tissue and switch sides. Now this causes a rupture, an artificial rupture
in the tissue which should not be characterized as the opening and closing of a
pore, but we should look at it as a tear injury which does not close rapidly behind
the process.

BB: I tend to agree with this. Now what would cause this high voltage, high
amperage, high what?

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PL: Both of those things. In other words, typically this is done with high frequency. If
you read Changs patent its called, Cell Porartion and Cell Fusion Using
Radiofrequency Electrical Pulses. Thats radio frequency RF.

In other words, this has to do with how fast you do it. If youve only got one joule of
stored energy, which is a watt second, which really doesnt seem like much, but if I
start switching this at a trillion times per second, all hell is breaking loose.

So it has nothing to do with the volume of energy, but power goes by frequency. The
faster you do it

BB: The more damage you can cause. Thats my paper clip example.
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PL: Exactly. A paperclip cant hurt you unless its going at you at 5,000 miles per
hour.

BB: What Im saying is that if you take one of those paper clips and keep bending it
back and forth, back and forth, back and forth and then start doing that quicker and
quicker and quicker, it will eventually break.

PL: And also a paperclip shot across the room can blind you.

BB: So youre saying its not really the voltage, its not really the amperage, its the
frequency ...

PL: Its the combined effect of power. What most people dont understand is that
energy is the ability to do work and work is represented in units such as joules or
foot-pounds or whatever.

Now if I do one foot-pound of work, that means Ive lifted one pound one foot off the
ground. It doesnt matter if it takes me a year or a nanosecond to it. When Im done
Ive done one foot pound of work. However if I do it in a nanosecond, I have
delivered that one foot pound of work at a rate of a billion foot pounds per second to
get it done in a nanosecond and thats enough to blow me away. The speed at which
that comes at me is power. Power is the rate at which work is delivered.

Okay?

When you buy electricity you buy it in work units kilowatt hours. You dont buy it in
watts. You buy it at the rate, you buy it at the volume. But in this situation the rate at

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which it is delivered is going to do all the damage and thats why when you want to
do something for safe blood electrification you want that rate-of-change to be slow.

BB: I saw one study that said that one hertz caused the greatest amount of
transfection or delivery, and 4 hertz caused as much, so lets not worry about the
numbers. That was just basically saying that slower is good.

PL: Slower is good when it comes to blood electrification.

BB: But Ive also found another study that said that more than a tenfold increase in
transfection efficiency was apparent when the electric field was changed from a sine
wave to a square wave and that might be that more stuff is getting because
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PL: Hmm, not necessarily. Theres more power in a square wave. Theres also more
current in time. If you have a one volt sine wave and one volt square wave, youre
actually delivering more current in your square wave in one second.

Current is Coulombs per second. If you raised the voltage on your sine wave so that
the total amount of true current applied was the same as your square wave, my bet
is that your effectiveness would be the same because DC works.

The thing is, square waves have other side effects that are not desirable. Just saying
square waves at the same intensity works better than sine waves is like saying,
Because I like apples more than oranges, you should, too. Its an irrelevant point.

What Im saying is that its kind of like saying if Im in a car going 60 mph down the
road I can do it on a 2-inch wide tire, a 6-inch wide tire, or a 10-inch wide tire. The
10-inch wide tire gives me lousier mileage because I have more friction. The 2-inch
gives me the most mileage because I have the least friction except I cant stop at the
right rate because I dont have enough friction. So really the best place to be is to
have is the 6-inch wide tire because it gives me the best overall performance, and
thats why you want sine waves as opposed to square waves no matter what.

BB: Thats a good analogy.

PL: Because were looking for overall performance here, not just some microscopic
sliver of effectiveness. The side effects from square waves are not worth dealing
with at all. As far as Im concerned that study was produced by people who are just
interested in pushing square waves.

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BB: The big point is the following, that you are basically thinking that the idea out
there is that electroporation is applying electric current to the cell and you get
transient permeability of the membrane

PL: Which can damage and weaken the membrane over time.

BB: Right. Which can damage the membrane which they are saying, too, but youre
saying that its probably not that the pores of the cells are opening up but that the
cells are rupturing and then rehealing again.

PL: Right, but the healing takes time. The idea of calling it electroporation is
misleading.
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If they called it electric tissue ripping it would be a more correct name. Calling it
poration suggests that there is this benign opening of an artificial pore.

You see, tissues have pores, doorways that do open to allow a lot of things to move
back and forth.

BB: Right, calcium ions and glucose and other substances.

PL: In other words, tissues do have pores in them. Okay? Electroporation discusses
the appearance and disappearance of artificial pores. In other words, locations that
didnt think they were pores before.

BB: Ah, thats a good phrase. Thats what we were looking for the appearance
and disappearance of artificial pores thats a rip.

PL: Thats a tear. Thats right, and the fact is that the appearance of it happens a
lot faster than the disappearance of it, and that is the point.

BB: Now, theyre saying that will probably allow more stuff to get into the cells.

PL: It probably does just before the cell dies. So youve crammed it full of your
drugs.

BB: So you have the normal blood electrification which is safe and this process
which is dangerous ... wheres the border voltage or frequency or whatever which
separates the two?

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PL: Everyone has asked wheres that line, but there is no line. There is a HUGE
gray zone which moves out of the safe zone and moves toward the horrid zone
where damage is growing growing a lot, growing growing horrifying, growing
growing growing kill ya. Its a huge gray zone.

There may be reasons to use processes that produce electroporation because the
benefit outweighs the liability. In other words, if you are dying of cancer and the only
things you can think of doing are take chemo and radiation, well the fact is that the
clinical statistics show that more people are surviving that process than dying of it. In
other words, people arent dying from the therapy as fast as they are dying from the
disease and therefore if you can get that disease, chances are you can recover from
the therapy.
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This is whats known as pragmatism.

This isnt to say that its a good idea to do those things but to tell the truth, most of
the people I know who have survived cancer have done what the doctors told them
and they did these other things, and they healed a lot faster than what the doctors
were used to seeing and they survived what the doctors did to them.

BB: That is the way it works. Ive dealt with cancer patients and they confide in me
that they never tell their doctor what theyre doing because one sentence and theyre
in trouble.

PL: But they always do better than what the doctors are expecting and used to
seeing. They always heal faster than expected.

BB: They do a lot better. Astronomically better.

PL: Right, and the doctors are amazed at their recovery rate. Thats good news for
us.

BB: So your take on electroporation is that basically its ripping the cells apart rather
than causing cellular pores to open.

PL: I think so.

BB: And if the stuff gets in, its better to be more gentler than this because if you can
just be gentle enough then why do this other stuff?

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PL: Its just another burden youre placing on your system that it will have to heal
itself from.

BB: As to the difference between cells readily absorbing chemicals during


electrification, thats called transfection?

PL: Transfection is what I would call a half-way process between no electroporation


and electroporation.

In other words, the square wave processes do cause an increase in absorption and
this is not necessarily beneficial or desired. This is one of the reasons why Beck
originally said, Look if youre going to do blood electrification you have to stop
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taking all vitamins, all herbs, any of this stuff. You cant take supplements at the
same time youre taking blood electrification because the absorption goes up.

This is not good. This is what I call an unnecessary, negative side effect of using
square waves. You want to be able to take herbs and other immune stimulants to
clean your blood after you have attenuated everything, and thats the reason to use
softer wave forms so that you can continue to take lots of vitamin C, which
strengthens tissue boundaries.

You want to be able to take lots of things like NSC-24, which tells the immune
system to collect all the crap youve just delivered to it. You want to be able to take
supplements at the same time because thats what really makes things work good.
And therefore their argument as to why -- by their own admission -- square waves
create this other effect that sine waves dont thats the best argument for using
sine waves.

BB: Thats a good point.

PL: They have looked at this backwards from day one. Their own data is the best
reason. In other words, I agree with that data.

BB: In other words, square waves are producing this effect of electroporation

PL: Its not electroporation. Its what they call increased transcription I dont
what it is theyre calling it.

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Actually it isnt electroporation. Its another effect thats lesser than electroporation
but still undesirable. Increased absorption by tissue.

BB: Theyre basically saying you get that, so still dont take supplements while
youre doing this.

PL: Correct.

BB: And thats the reason why its still not good.

PL: Thats the reason its still not good. One: you want to be able to create the
attenuation processes and take the supplements at the same time because those
two things can be highly synergistically beneficial. And thats the reason to take the
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time and effort to get a blood electrifier that isnt producing square waves.

BB: Another good point. I love bringing out points like this in books, even if
shocking, because they are the issues people need to consider. I dont care if people
get angry at me.

PL: I dont either. All the people Beck supported became millionaires. And we didnt
because Beck basically came out and said, This is a modified machine. It doesnt
work.

All Im saying is, we did the science, we stuck with it, this is where I believe science
says the safe window is and in the intervening years since weve first looked at
this, all of the evidence weve collected it supports it. Youre the first person whos
looked at everything and said it sounds like youre making more sense than anyone.

BB: I like the information laid out by the Jaguar Enterprises people.

PL: Sure, that was us. Were the ones who developed the clipped triangle in 1996.
They started supporting that in about 1999. Weve been printing that material for
years. As to the Beck stuff, its got a lot of holes in it and Hulda Clark stuff, dont
even discuss it.

BB: The Rife stuff is an entirely different thing but most people dont know he was
using a lot of supplements at the same time and Im not too sure anyone can really
tune the Rife frequency generator instrument you need to use.

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PL: If you dont have the Rife microscope, you have no way to know if you are hitting
the right frequency when you want to use that modality. It is a technology that is still
not available to the public.

BB: Its going to be years before anything with Rife becomes reliable and then
available.

PL: And we dont need it because blood electrification is so good, so cheap.

BB: The other problem with the Rife approach is the lack of standardization, which I
think is almost impossible. Lets say both of us have influenza. I dont think theyll
ever be able to standardize the frequency to kill the pathogens, such as to say it is
23.2 hz or whatever for both of us because the virus will mutate and because were
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biochemically different it would probably respond to a slightly different frequency


anyway.

But this a different topic. Enough on that.

What I want to ask is, whats a typical protocol for the blood electrification?

PL: The Kaali patents clearly state the longer the time exposure, the better you got.
The more current you can get into your blood, the better you got.

So what we say is this.

Since you cannot electrify all of the blood in your body at the same time, it just
cannot be done. You are always electrifying a percentage of it thats in circulation
and then remixing it with all the stuff that hasnt been electrified. So what you are
doing is playing a numbers game of dilutions.

Basically what you want to do is: to effectively electrify all the blood, what you need
to do is put in enough hours in a short enough period of time, such that you are
running your attenuation process is running ahead of the normal multiplication
process of the viruses and bacteria in the blood.

In other words, you are attenuating the stuff at a higher rate than they are multiplying
and replacing themselves. So, 1 to 2 hours a day for 30 days in a row
accomplishes that, at which point you have unburdened your blood of parasites,
meaning any other living organism which is not necessary for your living process,
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microorganisms that are not capable of creating infection but are still there eating
other things that could be nutrients for you and possibly producing toxic metabolic
products that are toxic to you.

In other words, things growing in your system dont have to cause an infection to
cause you problems. They can just be stealing your nutrition. When you get all that
stuff out of there, you will hold the game and two hours a day, 30 days in a row, will
give you better than a 99% knock-down.

BB: Is there some way you folks came up with the 2 hours? Did you do a
calculation of blood flow or do you just know from practicalities and past experience?

PL: From the practicality of it. I can tell you that this works tremendously well on
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systemic blood born infections. This is where it really excels.

In infectious situations that also occupy other cells in the body, the process takes
longer. For instance chronic fatigue, Epstein-Barr, mononucleosis which I
consider the same thing because they are blood born diseases that cause
tremendous fatigue and puts people in bed. It ruins their life.

BB: I know. I had mono when I was younger.

PL: Two hours a day of blood electrification for 15 days and you are done. It doesnt
come back. Gives you your life back even if youve had it for years.

BB: Have you heard of anybody telling you that its good to be doing the blood
electrification at the same clock time every day? For instance, viruses replicate at a
certain rate like clock work so it makes sense to take normal anti-viral medications at
the same time everyday in order to break that clockwork replication cycle. Doctors
dont emphasize this, but you really should do this. Even AIDS researchers say this.

PL: I dont know. My sense of this has always been that if you get in the hours, itll
work. If were looking at a five day process Id probably agree with you more but
since we are looking at a thirty day process

The other thing is more of a human behavioral thing. If people get into more of a
routine they are more likely to do it.

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BB: Oh yes. Compliance becomes less of an issue. When people do this, should
they change the position of the electrodes every day, as people do with application
of creams such as natural progesterone?

PL: No.

BB: What do you suggest for the optimal electrode placement on the body?

PL: The wrists.

BB: So from wrist to wrist will cause the electricity to go through the biggest cavity of
the body and affect the largest volume of blood flow in one shot.
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PL: Correct. You place the electrodes from right wrist to left wrist a six foot path --
and that gets right through the bulk of the blood flow through the heart, lung
capacity. We have found for systemic situations that this is just tremendously
effective. Way more effective than from ankle to ankle.

BB: Because of some energy work done years ago I believe it was the Edgar
Cayce material placing electrodes on the left wrist and right ankle, or right wrist
and left ankle, was suggested to be the best type of electrode placement scheme.

PL: Thats also effective because thats a long path. Any of the long paths are good.
Long paths are good because you are using the same amount of current to electrify
more blood.

Now heres the other thing.

The problem with the ankle points is that the arterial flow is deeper in the body there
and it is more difficult to get high current levels using ankle point. In other words
and you wont know this unless you have a machine that has a built-in meter so you
can actually see how much electricity is getting through.

We built equipment that had built in meters, so you can actually see how much
current was getting through from electrode to electrode. Youd see it on the meter.
As far as I know there are no machines available today that have meters built in.
And thats just the way it is.

Long paths, but the longest path that allows you the highest current levels is wrist to
wrist.

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By the way, for bladder infections and other things, also there are two good pulse
points in the groin on either side of the genitals in the fold between the torso and the
leg. Theres a good pulse point in there and if you put the electrodes in there you
can knock out

BB: Yes, theres an artery there that goes up into the intestines as well

PL: Exactly. You can get good action from that application, too, but its a short path.
The effects are more localized, but you do get some systemic action.

BB: So people take it and at the same time they should be taking beta-glucan and
vitamin C and for Pete sakes put colloidal silver in, too.
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PL: Maybe actually no for the colloidal silver.

In spite of the fact that I build colloidal silver machines, colloidal silver is not as much
of an end all panacea as people like to believe and if you want we can talk a little bit
about colloidal silver if you want to find out more about it.

BB: Lets first finish up and talk about electromagnetic fields.

I want to stay away from a discussion of using magnetic fields to flush stuff out of the
lymph system because thats too complicated for this book. Im also staying away
from the Rife frequency paradigm to kill pathogens. All I want to do is bring out the
simple paradigm of electrifying the blood, and later we can get into more details like
this.

PL: For most disease processes, applying magnetic fields is not necessary.

BB: Thats another reason. Its pretty much for AIDS and its an unnecessary thing
that will confuse most people. I just want to give them five or six big paradigms.

What I want to ask is the typical reactions people will have such as a die-off reaction,
such as the famous Herxheimer reaction. Do they usually get it if they are going this
slow? Do they usually get headaches or joint problems or sleeplessness agitation,
etc.?

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PL: Typically what we tell people to do if you have a significant systemic infection.
The thing to do is start slow. In other words, start the first day 20 minutes. Second
day 30 minutes. Third day 40 minutes. Then 50 minutes, 60 minutes,

Build up to between 90 and 120 minutes a day. Dont just jump there. Itll blow you
out.

If you jump to 90 minutes the first day, and your blood is loaded with this sh*t, you
are going to hate yourself in the morning.

BB: But that will prove its working though if you ever doubted it.

PL: Most people are going to say, Oh, God I did that and its going to make me feel
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so sick I knew it was wrong for me. I mean Ive heard this before.

BB: I was really hoping youd say that because thats the typical reaction of a die off
effect when you kill any sort of inner pathogen en masse, and even though you warn
people theyll feel lousy if they turn on too much juice at the beginning, theyre going
to do it anyway. They get gung-ho and try to blast themselves without slowly building
up over four or five days.

PL: If you have a serious systemic infection, the density of the stuff thats going to
die off is the highest initially you see, you really have to go up to 2 hours a day
after youve gotten it down to the last 5% because you are playing a numbers game.

If all you can do is knock down 30% a day thats 30% a day, 30% a day, 30% a
day, okay, well it only takes about 30 minutes to knock down the first 10% because
youre so loaded.

So if you dont want to knock down 90% the first day since it is not a really good
idea do not do 90 minutes. Dont do 90 minutes until your carrying load is way
down.

BB: Otherwise they will feel the headache.

PL: Oh yeah. Headache, lymph swelling

BB: . Typical Herxheimer reactions like when you are killing off a yeast infection.
By the way, will this kill a yeast infection?

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PL: In the blood.

BB: Okay, in the blood, not in the intestines.

PL: Dont forget, it gets it in the blood. It only operates where you can actually get
the electricity. Its not a miracle. Its a therapy.

BB: But people are going to ask about bacteria in the intestines, which you need

PL: They are unaffected by this. Bacteria in the intestines are unaffected by this.
In fact, the intestines are the only place in your body where you want a symbiotic
relationship with other microorganisms. It is the only place. You do not need a single
microorganism in your blood.
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BB: If you put this on both the left and right side of your intestines, will it get into
them?

PL: Itll get into the tissue but its not going to get into the contents. Dont forget, its
going to seek the blood because the blood is a highly conductive medium and its
going to try and find, you know, stay with electricity. Its going to look for the lowest
resistance path between the electrodes. Its not going to go looking around for a one
meg-ohm resistor. The blood is going to be the preferred path.

BB: What about electromagnetic fields?

PL: Alright. Electromagnetic fields, from all I can see, besides the possibility of ionic
tissue damage, the only thing that strong electromagnetic pulses can do is create
attenuation effects in tissues where you dont have circulation.

In other words, you create current movements by induction rather than by


conduction. In other words, the underlying beneficial mechanism is the same.

But lets say Ive got arthritis, which is usually a Coxsackie virus or some other virus
infection in the joint. The amount of blood flow right there is near zero. So blood
electrification isnt going to do me anything. But I can produce big electromagnetic
pulses and run them straight through those tissues . and whats going to happen?

The currents generated in those tissues are going to cause the attenuation effect in
those viruses and knock them down. And those are very robust tissues, so Im not

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going to be too worried about electroporation in things like cartilage, bone, things like
this. Theyre highly elastic and highly resistive theyre not like soft tissue.

I knew a guy who was doing big electromagnetic pulses over his intestines for years
and then one day, in a fit of rage, his large intestines split wide open.

BB: That was a result of the electroporation.

PL: You bet.

BB: What Ive been worried about are the harmful effects of things like radar. If you
are a policeman working with radar all the time, thats probably producing
electroporation.
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PL: It is probably tissue damage due to an effect similar to electroporation. But dont
forget that radar has a tendency of embroiling, you know cooking tissue.

BB: Thats a good point. We call that denaturation the protein molecule changes
shape, it unwinds.

PL: The tissues go through a number of significant metabolic changes that reduce
their ability to function normally and electroporation may only be one of those
processes.

BB: There are then devices that pump electromagnetic fields into the body, and
through that you are getting the attenuation effect but you really want to use that for
harder tissues where there is no blood or conductance.

PL: Yes, well, if you have decided that creating attenuation is your preferred
modality and you cannot get the electricity there by conduction -- by direct
application -- then the electromagnetic pulse is the second best application method.

BB: And thats the idea of the pulsers on the market.

PL: Thats the idea of the pulsers we call the magnetic blasters

BB: which affect the lymph tissues and such

PL: But I dont recommend using the blasters on soft tissue. Then again under
certain circumstances, the benefit may outweigh the risk.

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BB: That pretty much wraps up the main topic of blood electrification.

PL: Yeah, that pretty much covers it. If theres more than that Ive pretty much
forgotten it.

BB: Have you head of folks losing weight on these? I heard Dr. Beck himself lost
about 100 pounds after he started using his own machine, and Wayne Green, who
sells a little booklet on blood electrification at his website www.WayneGreen.com
has also noticed that people start losing weight after using gentle blood
electrification.

PL: The idea of losing weight on these things is the idea of the eventual knocking
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out of a wide variety of sub-symptomatic, low grade infections that are operating
systemically and interrupting metabolism.

For instance, lets say youve got an unusual low-grade infection in your thyroid
thats not causing a fever but is interrupting your ability to really operate your
metabolism properly so your thyroid isnt functioning right and the burn rate of your
general metabolism is slowed down artificially. If, after using blood electrification for
a long period of time, you eventually uproot that infection, then all of a sudden you
get a huge systemic correction in how your metabolism works.

I know a number of people who have tried to lose weight for years. They tried diets,
done everything. What worked for them ... they went on the blood type diet and just
stopped eating foods they were allergic to. They stopped all these microscopic
inflammatory reactions in their system and after they did that for about six months,
the weight just started falling off like a stone and they didnt even try.

BB: Yes, thats one of the 6-7 ways Ive researched to really lose weight, and if you
want to get more advanced than that theres are advanced tests from firms like
Immuno Labs in Florida which will tell you exactly which foods you should avoid
because your system doesnt like them.

PL: Sure. The blood type diet is a very simple set of guidelines that gives a very high
percentage of people good results.

BB: And Peter, if you look at it youll see that it wipes out from the diet a high
percentage of foods people are allergic to anyway, which eliminates from most
peoples diet the wheat or the milk or the grains or whatever .. the ten biggies. Youll

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find you exclude from the diet the ones you would tell people to get rid of anyway
since they usually cause problems to everyone.

PL: Ive known people who are vegetarianists. These people were absolutely
adamant about having a vegetarian diet and they were O type blood. They were sick
as dogs.

BB: Most vegetarians are a large proportion are.

PL: When they started eating meat again, they got healthy.

BB: Oh yes, oh yes. In the naturopathic and nutritional field, many of my colleagues
see this same phenomenon over and over again the sick vegetarian who wont
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heal.

In fact some of my colleagues wont even see vegetarians if, when interviewed, they
say they wont do anything to get well if its not vegetarian. They dont want to deal
with them because these people will never get well. It has nothing to do with an anti-
vegetarian stance. Its just a simple fact of what we see.

Vegetarianism is a wonderful, compassionate thing which I support wholeheartedly


when you do it right, but its really bad for some people simply because they dont
know how to be a vegetarian correctly and wont take the time to do it correctly, so
theyre bound to get sick and stay sick. In that way its not good for them.

PL: Ive seen it go all the way around. There is no one-type diet. There are at least
four primary types. I think that work is some of the best Ive seen on diet. I dont tell
people its the end all, but its certainly the beginning of understanding what you
should or should not be eating.

There are even four metabolic types too. You shouldnt just be eating according to
your blood type, but according to your metabolic type. And when all this stuff gets
integrated, youll really know what to do, to eat to get healthy.

Were part of the way there, but the metabolic tests are complicated and the
research in that stuff is being bickered over by two rival groups that claim authorship
over this stuff. Until the politics drops out, the final conclusions really wont be
available to the public. But the blood type stuff is available to the public and its easy
to integrate it into you lifestyle because its as simple as going to Barnes and Noble
and buying a book.

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BB: So youre saying that blood type is one way to lose weight, and metabolic typing
is another way I believe youre referring to The Metabolic Typing Diet book by
Wolcott, and you are saying that some people might have a subclinical infection ..

PL: Almost everybody does more than one

BB: And you eliminate those and then basically theres a huge systemic effect in
terms of biochemical efficiency.

PL: But also it doesnt have to be an infection. Allergic reactions also cause
inflammatory responses.
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BB: Right, what I often tell people is that the bloatedness is often just an
inflammatory response. Sometimes its just inflammation. People dont get it.

PL: An inflammatory reaction is telling you that your immune system works. Thats
good. Thats the first thing your immune system does is create the inflammatory
reaction.

Chronic inflammation could be chronic water retention to help separate the


inflammation from the tissue being irritated by it, etc.

BB: Alright, colloidal silver which youve done a lot of research on whats your
take on that.

PL: I think colloidal silver is a very, very important agent to be in the hands of the
public for self-administering. I think it is generally safe. I think it is reasonably easy
enough to make a high-grade product that people should be taught how to do it.
Most of the home units allow you to produce a reasonably effective product with
minor side effects, and so I believe it is generally a good idea.

It is not a perfect product. There are a number of groups of people who should not
use colloidal silver. There are people who have a legitimate inflammatory reaction
upon contact with silver, which is why there are some women who absolutely need
gold ear studs and the like because silver causes a rash.

Anybody who has this generalized inflammatory reaction to contact with silver
should never take colloidal silver or they will have a generalized inflammatory

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reaction throughout their body, which would be caused by the colloidal silver. Those
people should never take it.

Secondly, there are people whose intestinal flora balance is so tenuous and off
balance, who may think its in balance, that if they take even a little bit of colloidal
silver theyll have a huge change in their bowels and this happens in maybe about 1
out of 10,000 people. Even one or two teaspoons of colloidal silver and they get the
runs. Its a big change. Though I think its indicative of larger problems.

BB: Its basically that they are so unbalanced that if ingesting just a spoonful of
silver makes them haywire for them, theres really something going on. They are not
healthy.
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PL: For people like that, they need to do a serious project of vigorous repopulation
of their intestines, and probably the best product on the market for that is a product
called Primal Defense manufactured by Garden of Life, www.gardenoflifeusa.com .
This one works better than every other one Ive ever tried. Everything else Ive ever
tried when my intestinal system got screwed up, nothing else ever worked.
Absolutely nothing.

BB: Well you know a lot of the probiotics people take are dead. Thats why people
often use lactobacillus sporagenes since it can survive in a dried form for a long time
without refrigeration. A lot of the probiotic formulations out there in the marketplace
promise live cell cultures, but they are not, or theyre not enterically coated and get
destroyed in your stomach when you eat them.

You know, in the nutritional field were always looking for a better probiotic.

PL: This is the best one Ive found, and Ive tried almost every brand there is.
Anything and everything. This one doesnt need to be refrigerated.

BB: So if you have an inflammatory response to silver, you should avoid it

PL: If you have an inflammatory response to silver, or if you have a huge intestinal
response to silver, those are significant contraindications that this person should not
be taking silver.

BB: Youre not worried about argyria?

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PL: That doesnt show up with colloidal silver. It doesnt show up with silver protein
either. It primarily shows up with silver nitrate, which is a black silver salt that
deposits in the skin. Ive had MD doctors in Canada who have been using colloidal
silver in their practice quietly in the background for years. They started by buying
gallons of the stuff from a commercial manufacturer and one of the patients came in
with my machine and he was very intrigued with it. So they started doing clinical
trials with colloidal silver made by my equipment and he followed these people up
over a year using hair analysis to see if silver was coming out as a toxin in the hair
the whole thing. I mean this guy did a lot. He said even the colloidal silver he got
from a commercial producer would produce increased silver load in the hair and the
only silver he ever saw that didnt do it was the silver made by my unit.

BB: Id like to get a copy of those studies because it sounds like theyre from
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someone who know the pertinent issues and has followed the results for a long time.
Theres only been one guy I know of who wrote a study on these issues, testing it on
himself, and he found that the silver was being excreted but Ive always expected
that it would show up in hair analysis. It has to.

PL: It does. Silver by itself is non toxic. It doesnt kill anything. Thats why the
government doesnt consider it a class A disinfectant because it doesnt kill
anything on contact. It kills by interrupting the metabolism.

Exactly how that is done, there must be multiple ways that it works because it kills
gram positive, gram negative bacteria and viruses and other things. So there must
be multiple mechanisms but Ive never seen any authoritative discussions on what
those mechanisms are.

The same for attenuation exactly how that happens, I dont know. People just
dont know.

BB: Youre right. Nobody knows why the colloidal silver works. They think its the
oxygenation system of cellular respiration for the pathogens thats wiped out, but
nobody knows.

Thats one of the big areas of research if were to prepare for the next round of
worldwide infections immune to antibiotics, which is going to happen. This type of
research is a national priority. Its a matter of national security, which is why Im
writing this book. Its not a matter of letting the drug companies dictate to keep
profits in their hands.

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Anyway, I dont think people really want to find out because.

PL: No one wants to find out because no one wants to spend the money. They know
it wont help them to make money.

BB: And youre the only person Ive heard whos brought up the important point that
because it knocks out gram positive, gram negative and so many other types of
organisms, it must work because of multiple mechanisms.

PL: There must be multiple mechanisms going on. All we know is that multiple
mechanisms do appear.

The fact is that silver is not toxic to these microorganisms. It doesnt kill by
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poisoning. It kills by interrupting metabolism and thats why it takes time. Typically
the studies show six minutes exposure blah blah blah at the right concentrations,
etcetera. Okay?

You can look at it this way. If you have a job and your job is to kill the 450 pound
sumo wrestler before he kills you, your best shot is not to meet him in the ring. Your
best shot is to break into his bedroom and put a pillow over his nose and suffocate
him while he sleeps. Thats your best shot at killing him. Thats how colloidal silver
works.

BB: Okay, explain this to me. How does silver do this?

PL: It interrupts the metabolism.

BB: Silver is in the blood stream, it hits a bacteria or virus. It doesnt kill it on contact.
Now what happens? Does it get absorbed into the cell, does it knock out surface
receptors on the bacteria or what? How does it work? What do you think actually
happens so that it suffocates the guy?

PL: I havent the first frickin clue.

BB: So in other words, contacting it isnt going to kill it. Theres contacting the
pathogen and then theres step 2, which we dont know what it is.

PL: Step 2 is somehow multiple mechanisms, multiple contacts with multiple


particles over time is enough to do it. But in that sense colloidal silver kills it. Blood
electrocution attenuates it but does not kill. Colloidal silver kills.

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BB: Thats why I have colloidal silver as an entirely separate paradigm. Blood
electrification attenuates it and knocks it out and this one is a killer, which vitamin A
and C dont do. They work on yet another mechanism entirely. Changing your
biological terrain to be more acid or base so the pathogens dont thrive is yet another
paradigm, too.

PL: Changing the terrain can be a pH change, temperature change, all kinds of
change. Most of these reproduce and multiply in very narrow windows which is why
your body uses fever to overcome things that it cannot overcome otherwise.

BB: Exactly, and thats another paradigm. In fact, thats a paradigm for cancer.
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PL: Artificial fever is known to work.

BB: Another paradigm is to deprive the little pathogens of nutrients using lactoferrin
or IP-6 to bind iron, and so forth.

PL: Some of the more promising cancer treatments now are to deprive the cancer of
a specific enzyme that it uses to build capillary action to provide blood flow to the
tumor that grows and those things work great.

BB: Okay, but what else do you want to say about colloidal silver?

PL: Right. The only difference between silver being a toxic metal and an effective
germicide is particle size, not concentration.

BB: Particle size translates into the effective surface area of silver that makes
contact with germs, so that will affect the chemical reactivity of the stuff

PL: Correct, but also size is important. The smaller the size of the particles, the
more its able to penetrate tissue.

Particle size gives you a number of things. Typically colloidal silver is measured in
what believe is a concentration measurement called parts per million. Now ppm, or
parts per million, is the description of a ratio. It does not tell you anything about
particle size and it does not tell anything about the volume of silver that you have. It
tells you how much of this you have in relation to that parts per million.

Okay?

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Now when you send a colloidal silver solution off to a laboratory to find what the
concentration is, they dont send the test results back labeled in parts per million.
They send the results back in milligrams per liter.

Milligrams per liter is an absolute quantity measurement. There happens to be a


million milligrams of water in a liter of water and typically the milligrams per liter, and
parts per million number, are used interchangeably. But they are really different.

In electricity, its the difference between saying I have ten watts, which is a power
rating, and ten watt-seconds per second, which is a unit of work over time. Its the
same number but one is actually telling me that Im doing some work and how long
its taking me to do it.
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The difference between milligrams per liter and parts per million is a big deal even
though the number is essentially the same.

Now, if we take one cubic inch of something a block thats one cubic inch has six
square inches of surface area. If we divide that same one inch cube into 1/10 inch
cubes, we now have 1000 little blocks. Its the same amount of stuff. The ppm parts
per million the ratio of this to that the quantity hasnt changed but the surface
area has gone up by a factor of 10. Each little block has a surface area of 6/10 of a
square inch, so we now have 60 square inches of surface area.

BB: Yes, I understand that surface area will go up, but I thought parts per million
was actually counting the particles.

PL: No. Thats the point. Its just a ratio.

In other words, by just making the particles smaller I have increased the surface
area and now if I have a 1000 particles, I can have silver go to 1000 locations.
Before I could just have silver go to just one location. And I have got 60 times the
working surface, which is ten times the working surface, and 1000 times more
locations Im working on.

So if I move from 5 ppm with 1 cubic inch blocks and move down to 1 ppm with 10
cubic inch blocks, Im still way ahead. Even though my ppm rating is lower, Im still
way more effective. I have way more action. So ppm is irrelevant.

BB: Thats what I tell people, but they see 1000 ppm and think its better.

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PL: ppm means nothing. What you want is particles in the low end of the colloidal
range and the high end of the dissolve range. If you can get your particles in the
range of 10 angstroms, you are right at the lower lip of being considered colloidal
and at the upper range of being considered dissolved.

BB: Why do you want it that range rather than bigger or smaller?

PL: You want smaller if you can.

Colloidal silver is considered colloidal because of its particle size. It is considered


ionic because of its particle charge and you want a charge on them. When you go
back and look at the chemistry books in the 20s when colloidal chemistry was in its
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heyday rage, when people were first discovering it like what soap is and stuff like
this, they were really discovering colloids.

Colloidal chemistry is all around us. Thats what a cloud is. Its a colloidal suspension
of liquid water in air because water as we know doesnt become a gas until its 212
degrees. Since a cloud isnt 212 degrees, that means its liquid but its suspended
because the particles are so small.

Thats the same thing with silver in water. The particles are so small that the
molecular action of the water molecules is such that it has a stronger action on the
particles of silver than gravity does.

BB: You mean the Zeta potential, which keeps the particles separate when theyre
in solution.

PL: Right. Colloidal silver is both ionic and colloidal. There is no differentiation. It
does have an electrical charge because of the electrolysis process you used to
create it. Yes the colloidal particle may be made up of a grouping of 100 atoms but
theres an aggregate of one or two electrons missing to give it a positive charge.
There are people out there who claim theyve got machines that make negatively
charged silver and that it has remarkable biological effects that are very beneficial,
more effective, etc. blah blah blah. Ive never seen any independent research on
these things.

BB: Theres a lots of fact and fiction out here. Everyone has a marketing angle trying
to sell their 9 volt silver generator. Its a big mark-up selling a battery or little
generator and some silver wire even if its only for thirty dollars or so.

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PL: We havent even attempted to try to sell to this goofy market. Our unit sells for
$150. We just sell em as we sell them and dont even try to push it

PL: The standard literature suggests that positively charged silver particles in the
range of .004 to .001 are extremely effective. This is the stuff that the doctor in
Canada couldnt find coming out of the hair and all that stuff. You can make a batch
of this stuff, stick it in a glass bottle, come back six months later and nothing is
sticking to the bottom of the bottle.

BB: Thats a true colloid because youre not using binders or fillers to prevent
precipitation.
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PL: There is a charge on that stuff which helps keep the charges separated from
each other because they electrically repel each other. This is what creates the
uniform dispersion of the particles and keeps them suspended. If they didnt have
that charge they would reaggregate and fall out as a precipitate. The aggregate
charge of the particles helps to maintain its colloidal suspension over time and is
most probably very much associates with its biological action. Its the ionic nature of
the stuff which possibly could be part of the killing agency. These are among the
things that have been speculated that I feel have merit. This is what Searles
suggests in his early treatise on colloids.

BB: Thats interesting. It might be the delivering of a charge thats responsible for
colloidal silvers effectiveness. Shock it, shock it, shock itthat is delivering an
electrical charge to an organism, even polarizing it, might kill it. But by itself, silver
just contacting something does not kill it.

Youre saying silver isnt poisonous itself, but knocks out the metabolism of bacteria
and viruses somehow, yet that doesnt make it a poison. Would you care to explain
that a bit?

PL: If I force you to stop breathing I do not introduce a poison into you. What
happened was that your metabolism became interrupted and your system self-
poisoned itself by creating too much of a metabolic by-product that it couldnt get rid
of carbon dioxide. You died of carbon dioxide poisoning.

You didnt die of silver or tape in your throat. You didnt choke from Gaffers tape in
your throat. You died from carbon dioxide poisoning.

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BB: Okay, I get it. Now I see the difference. Silvers mechanism is something like
that. No one knows for sure the particular details, but this is whats suspected.

PL: Metabolism is a two-way street. It has to deal with bringing you things you need
and getting rid of things you dont need in a continuous flow. The minute the
interruption happens where youre not getting what you do need and what you dont
need is building up

BB: Actually thats the whole nutritional and naturopathic field where either youre
not getting the right nutrients or your waste products are building up and youve got
to detoxify.

PL: And or both. That is the human reality of health. You dont have enough of what
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you do need and too much of what you dont need.

BB: A third problem might be that the efficiency of the process is sub-optimal so lets
ramp it up by repairing it, or giving it something it needs to help the mechanism
rather than supply an input.

PL: A metabolic interruption causes an auto-toxification as opposed to an external


toxification.

BB: Aha, but something must be going on, however, when silver is doing this for
bacteria and viruses and fungi but not for our own cells.

PL: The single cell organisms only have themselves as their support mechanism.
Their system is more smaller more fragile.

Silver by itself is non toxic, it isnt a poison by itself. Because our cells have all kinds
of other cells associated with them to provide all these different functions for them, it
just doesnt hurt them.

BB: But for viruses and bacteria and fungi well, as to parasites Im a little
skeptical that its very effective

PL: It kills Giardia in the blood. It kills one-celled organisms in the blood

BB: Well one-celled organisms yes, but larger parasites I dont believe it would be
effective at all.

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PL: Youre right, it doesnt kill flukes or worms. Just unicellular ones in the blood ... if
you can get the stuff there.

Now I have talked to one person who gave a whole bunch of colloidal silver to their
dog, and the dog passed a whole lot of tapeworms. Maybe the tapeworms had a
whole bunch of symbiotic relationships with a bunch of bacteria who couldnt make it
through the process,

BB: Well, to me it gets back to the fact that you freed up the immune system so
much that your immune system could finally attack it and get rid of it.

PL: I agree with you. Theres a second order effect. The effectiveness of colloidal
silver might be due to second order effects in some cases, such as what youre
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talking about.

BB: Yes, I dont believe colloidal silver has a primary effect of killing a parasite as
large as a tapeworm. Though I believe in 10% of the result, and I dont believe in the
placebo effect but that the end result was due to colloidal silver in some form or
another, possibly as a second order effect. And its important to bring this type of
issue up so that people start thinking this way and dont immediately dismiss these
things without thinking them through and trying to understand why the dog got rid of
his tapeworms after drinking the colloidal silver. There are no reasons to dismiss the
story as some sort of outlier.

In science I think you have to try and figure out what the possible reasons could be,
but people are just poo-pooing this stuff today and dismissing it all as nonsense
without giving it due scientific thought. Im ashamed at the knee jerk reaction of
people today who dont accept observations that dont fit into their paradigm. They
should work to try to understand the results so that the arena of scientific
understanding gets bigger and people get more cures.

PL: This is the kind of thing you would expect as the explanation for why people
would lose weight on these types of situations. Its a second order effect.

BB: Youre thinking that a lot of the weight loss is water loss because people no
longer need the water to protect themselves from the inflammatory reactions.

PL: The weight loss could be water but it could also be due to changes in
metabolism so that theyre not storing toxins in the cells all kinds of things.

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BB: Ive been seeing a lot of people now starting to focus on this as a reason for
why women get bloated during menstruation, which is to dilute the toxins.

Okay, so what else do you want to say about the silver.

PL: Just that it is a wonderful agent and a powerful agent when its made correctly.
The most effective way of using it theres a number of schools of thought on how
to use colloidal silver assuming we can make it properly and so on.

One is that silver is a necessary micronutrient mineral that you need in the body.
There is reason to believe that if we were actually eating a diet rich in fruits and
vegetables grown in fully mineralized soil that there would be a small amount of
silver content in our food and that having that in our body may be in other words
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may have been part of the terrain that ideally our DNA evolved in so that it expects
to see small amounts of silver in there all the time anyway to function properly for
the immune system to function properly.

That is a reasonably good argument for taking small amounts of colloidal silver on a
daily basis as a nutritional supplement as a trace mineral supplement. Were
talking here of anything from a quarter to a half to a teaspoon a day or something
like that of 3-5 ppm, low dose stuff. Small amounts of low dose stuff.

BB: Thats like taking small amounts of selenium as a trace element.

PL: Exactly. Were talking traces micrograms a day. Ive talked to people who
have taken two teaspoons of colloidal silver a day for six months and essentially
notice nothing and all of a sudden a whole bunch of symptoms theyve been
experiencing for years just fell away. All these microscopic micro infections started
crumbling. It benefits you in waves in six months to a year and things like this where
their whole metabolism was able to shift to a whole new homeostasis.

BB: You mentioned that time period before, Peter. Are you consistently getting this
six month period as the breakthrough period? Because people want to know what to
expect. Of course they want results immediately, but hearing 3 months and 6
months is harder for them to swallow even thought hats sometimes the only way to
do it, the time goes by quickly and theyve had their condition for far longer than that.

PL: Im not recommending this. Im just reporting that Ive heard this. Were talking
about long periods of time which Ive heard in several instances. Typical of the kinds
of things I heard also are with people who go on the blood type diet. They start

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seeing an automatic melt off of weight loss in the six to nine month range. Its not
automatic. It takes a while for the metabolism to just kind of finally believe that the
irritants are gone and for the inflammatory reaction to just quit.

Its been lied to, its been cheated, its been let loose for a week and then irritated
again so it just doesnt believe. Its going to stay inflamed whether youre tickling it or
not and finally after not being tickled for six months it just quits, and then you see the
change. The healing has been happening all along but all of a sudden the symptoms
drop off.

BB: Then its sort of like compound interest which does its work invisibly, and then
all of a sudden you can see its results. The first school of thought thinks that it might
be a necessary micronutrient,
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PL: It can be thought of that way and theres a reasonable argument for that.
Because everyone has grown up eating food thats grown in mineral poor soil so if
there was ever trace silver that was supposed be in the soil our food is grown in, it
isnt there now. So there is a reasonable argument to suggest that small amounts of
colloidal silver are a safe and effective method of gaining trace silver for nutritional
purposes.

BB: And whats another school of thought?

PL: The second school of thought is that its a powerful broad spectrum antibiotic or
germicide and its use in that mode therapeutically should not be that you take it all
the time. Do not even think of taking more than 2 teaspoons a day on an on-going
basis because at that point you are weakening your immune systems ability to
respond and you are very possibly creating a negative situation for yourself should
the agent ever be withdrawn.

BB: Why? If its just keeping your load down isnt it giving your immune system a
chance to be working at full capacity? Why would that be bad?

PL: It might get lazy because its not having to do what it needs to do.

BB: So youre saying theres an argument similar to the old one not to take vitamins
every day because your system gets dependent on it.

PL: Correct. So the most effective way of using colloidal silver as a broad spectrum
germicide is to do what I call taking the periodic spiking dose, and what that means

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is that we take a significant volume of the stuff and were talking anywhere from 2
to 42 ounces of colloidal silver in a day.

In other words, lets say Im getting a cold and I want to know whether colloidal silver
is going to knock this thing out. Taking a teaspoon of this stuff is just like a waste of
time. I need to know if Im going to get a response if this cold is going to be
susceptible to the stuff and I have to get the concentration of colloidal silver in my
tissues up high enough to see a response. So Im going to start with eight ounces
and chug it right down.

Now if the colloidal silver is going to have a response to the stuff, 8 ounces is
enough to get an indication. But I will feel that indication within 2 hours.
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For instance, if my symptoms dont start changing for the better within an hour,
youre going to forget about it. Go to something else. Go to hydrogen peroxide. Go
to vitamin C.

In other words, you need to create a significant challenge and the significant
challenge will tell you yes or no the agent will work or not. And 8 ounces is a
typical good first challenge. If you see benefit, as soon as you see benefit or not, if
you see benefit take another 8 right there, BAM! Okay? You can take 8 ounces of
colloidal silver an hour for 4 hours straight. Go for it. Up to 32 ounces a day.

BB: Wont you have a big Herxheimer reaction [die off effect] for all sorts of stuff at
such large volumes?

PL: Not necessarily. But the thing is what you want to be able to do is use this agent
for the shortest period of time you possibly can in an acute situation. In other words
you want to first find out if its going to be an effective agent and two, deliver a knock
out blow in the shortest period of time you can.

BB: Thats a good theory.

PL: Maximum 3 days at 32 ounces a day and then stop. This is what I call a spiking
dose. Youve taken care of what your immune system was having trouble getting on
top of. You just smash it with the biggest hammer you have and then let your
immune system mop it up.

Thats what I think is the useful way of using colloidal silver. And the only way you
can afford to do this is if you have a machine of your own because if youre going to

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be taking it 32 ounces at a time and buying it at $10 an ounce that little therapy will
cost you several hundred bucks, so you might as well buy a machine so that when it
comes time it costs you ten cents to do it.

Remember this is a general protocol for normal electro-colloidal silver with particles
in the range of 10-40 angstroms. Thats what the books talk about. Real electro-
colloidal silver without stabilizers and other stuff.

The protocol would be different for even higher grade colloidal silver, where you
would use less if the particle sizes are smaller than this. As to the slop colloidal silver
with fillers and stabilizers, you dont even want to touch the stuff though lots of
companies sell that. Youve got to be careful what they sell in health food stores.
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BB: Lets switch gears and talk just a bit about hydrogen peroxide to briefly cover
yet another paradigm as a short introduction. When you ingest hydrogen peroxide,
why does that work in fighting infections? Is that working because hydrogen
peroxide, H2O2, is what the white blood cells within your body use to bombard other
things to kill them?

PL: Well thats what interferon does. When interferon goes in to kill off something in
your blood, you know what it does? It generates one molecule of hydrogen peroxide.

BB: So doctors dont know the mechanisms and then they rather go with these
multimillion dollar treatments instead of using the hydrogen peroxide?

Any other really big paradigms?

PL: Whatever works Im for. There are many products people should know about
and I also believe people should not underestimate the benefits of changing the
bodys terrain both in terms of pH and temperature. They are very, very powerful
modalities.

BB: And how do you tell people to go about changing their biological terrain to fight
infections.

PL: Just to give you another tidbit. When I lived in Hawaii I knew a college professor
there a professor of psychology. But he was also a brilliant inventor and he came
up with a cancer cure which consisted up taking a biopsy of the cancer tumor,
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developed, reinjecting it back into the person and giving them at the same time an
artificial drug that would give them a temporary low-grade fever.

BB: Like Coley toxins used for cancer treatment. Theyre used to produce a low-
grade fever to raise the white blood cell count and provoke an increased immune
response that will attack the cancer and ultimately assist the body in healing. A very
simple strategy.

PL: The artificial fever producing drug was a recognized drug, safe and effective for
some other thing. The vaccine development technology was straight off the shelf.
These were two things absolutely straight off the shelf.

He submitted a paper to UCLA medical research clinic in I think the summer of


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1975 and the idea so intrigued them that they invited him to go over to UCLA
during the summer for some preliminary clinical trials where they injected a particular
type of cancer into some lab rats and tried his little protocol.

Within 2 months it was clear that 100% of the test animals were cured of the
disease. In lab tests they look at percentages. They dont ever see 100%
effectiveness. They just dont see it.

Not only were these lab rats completely cured of the cancer that they were artificially
given, some of them were actually reinjected after the fact and they couldnt even
contract it the second time. They had become immune.

This absolutely shocked the researchers at UCLA medical. They had never seen
anything like it, especially because it seemed that it was not just a specific treatment
for one type of cancer but it had a wide application since you could basically develop
a vaccine for anything you could culture.

At the end of the trial, they thought this guy was going to drop his silly little career as
a psychology teacher at the University of Hawaii and stay with them to develop, at
which point he just left and said, Nope, Im a teacher.

He called up the American Cancer society and one of the folks there said, You dont
want everyone to know, do you? I had been showing him patents for special
magnet motors for years trying to convince him that hey, the world isnt exactly the
way its being presented to us and he was very resistant to these things until he saw
it with his own cancer research.

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BB: Peter, the same thing happens over and over again especially in the health care
field. People are brainwashed into thinking that your drug company cares about
health. Its all about money and crush the competition.

PL: Right. The basic idea is that there are multiple ways of inducing fever and
multiple ways of inducing an increased immune response, which is all a vaccine is
supposed to do a targeted immune response.

So the point of that little story is that a wide variety of cancers and other disease can
be cured simply by taking beta-glucan and taking hot baths. These things should not
be overlooked.

BB: I have this book on cancer paradigms and thats one of them, where you just
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increase the body temperature. Another paradigm is to increase oxygenation of the


body, etcetera. Your quote from him is that cancer is the most over-cured disease on
the planet.

What are the other paradigms youve seen for people curing cancer?

PL: Well, I know one lady who essentially tried everything under the sun, everything
failed, and she finally tracked down all this stuff on the metabolic diet. When she got
the pH in her blood correct and could hold it there by the food she was eating, it quit.

BB: Thats basically changing the terrain as well, and reducing your immunity load
when you do balance your pH.

PL: She was testing her blood twice a day to make sure she was holding the blood
pH at the right place. Its a complicated thing.

BB: Theres a whole industry out there on balancing the blood pH and cancer. Dr.
Emmanuel Revici did fantastic work in that area.

PL: When she got it, it quit.

Anyway, those are the main things which are accessible by people if they got a little
creative at all.

Another interesting story about sugar and infections is the following. In Hawaii its
very easy to get Staph infections, big weeping open sores. Nothing ever dies out

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there because nothing ever freezes. You get a cut on a lava rock and youd get a
Staph infection in 4, 5, 6 weeks with a lot of pain and open weeping sores.

A guy I knew developed a very simple method of treatment. He basically just put hot
packs on the sores. He warmed up the areas tremendously, drew a lot of blood to
the area from extra blood flow at which point he would pack an open sore with a
poultice of sugar water, just sugar paste.

You add just enough water to sugar to make a paste you dont just pour crystals
on a wound. You use granulated sugar which is pure sugar you dont want to use
powdered sugar because it has corn starch in there and you add just enough
water to it to make a paste so that you can lay it in the wound without a lot of
crystals.
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Anyway, when you do this all the Staph from the surrounding tissue would say,
Dinner time!. They would move right on into the sugar. So half an hour later you
would wash the sugar out and the wound would heal.

BB: Oh, thats perhaps why those diabetic open sores, when theyre packed with
sugar, will heal. I couldnt figure out why it works.

The open sore is basically an infection. The bacteria see the sugar and then leave
the tissue to get the easy meal so that you progressively have less and less and less
bacteria once you wash it away. Ive wondered about that for years, and now Ive got
an explanation. Bingo.

Thats an idea, a paradigm I would never have thought of a sugar pack for a Staph
infection..

PL: When he would wash the sugar away hed find all these large compressed
crystals of the material and he could pick them out with tweezers.

BB: Now thats different than treating the bites from wolf spiders because they leave
a toxic protein behind. I suppose you could do something with MSM, which has a
tendency to neutralize foreign proteins because it contains sulfur, or I heard
shocking the wound with electricity works by breaking down the poison, but I dont
know. I havent done any research or talked to any colleagues about it.

PL: MSM creams are the thing to have for spider bites, etc. whenever you have a
rapid metabolic reaction to a foreign protein, like what Apis does for a bee sting,

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MSM will knock that down. If you have enough MSM in your system you can
sometimes even avoid the classic response entirely.

You know another topic is radionics. In the 70s I would have said that radionics was
the cutting edge. Today Id say that radionics is a bunch of crap. It just cant cut the
mustard against whats really happening with all this other stuff because it really
depends on your system operating properly before it can be really powerful.

Your RNA has to work properly for the information youre sending it to move on into
the cells, were all compromised with radiation and all kinds of other things making
the RNA marginal, plus the only way to counter an infection is to crank up the
immune system, and if the immune system is compromised you need something
more than just another energetic jerk or stimulant. You need physical stimulants like
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NSC and beta-glucan and things like that.

Radionics works great to keep healthy people tuned. It becomes more and more
difficult to use subtle means if the whole body of subtle energy is deformed.
Radionics and homeopathics are things I use to keep myself in tip top shape, but it
isnt what I used to get here because it isnt enough.

BB: Those are really good points. Excellent points. I mean maybe if you change the
formula every day for a year it will help you get your vitality up but its hard. You
need a master blast or more basic approach and I think the biochemical approach is
the way to go.

PL: You need to get the nutrition up, get your intestines fixed, you need to be able to
get the food value into your food, you need some serious sh*t because we are
compromised so fully now that radionics just looks like a cartoon in comparison to
what people need.

BB: Peter, this is all great information. Thank you so very much. Weve thoroughly
covered blood electrification and touched upon radionics, which is another energetic
approach. And in-between we discussed herbs, oxygen therapies and colloidal silver
which are all approaches well get into in detail. This is more than enough to get us
started on our way, and I wish you continued success with all your fascinating
research and the products you create that originate therefrom.

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