Devata Anugraha

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Hari Sarvottama Vayu Jeevottama
DEVATA ANUGRAHA
Central Point of the Debate:
Is will power/hatha alone enough to follow dharma precisely, or it needs something more? Madhvas
sampradaya is often accused that it lays standards of kruta yuga to follow in kali yuga so its
impossible like- dintraya, chaturmasa, strictly 3 times sandhya, eating seated on floor, avoiding
outside food, no visits/stay in foreign country.
The Debate:
Vaada:
Is will power not enough? Is there no need to cultivate will power to the extent to make this possible?
Prativaada:
While it can be done, that requires tremendous self control and an IDEAL environment. Enough
money and no family or health issues.
I think as good as will power, we need clear knowledge too, and that will augment the will
power.
"Lok seva" is Narayana seva.
Vaada:
So it is clear that only will power is not enough as we have to adjust with family/others around,
desha kala paristhiti etc., as these are not in our hands. But that doesn't mean or it no way gives us
the freedom or power to brush aside shastras dictums and work out substitutes. What shastras must
be followed with maximum efforts and we must try harder to follow better, i.e. we should not say
come on now we do ekadashi na why chaturmasa?
Prativaada:
Yes, it needs a great amount of self discipline to follow the different rules of tatvavaada. I think
for those having health issues, there is a rule against doing certain vratas. Will power is definitely
needed for this. It gives many fruits. We can see a live example in Chiraan guruji. He is a huge
mass of vedic knowledge and is versatile. So it shows that if we follow the niyama then we will
also get lots of fruits of our will power. As guruji mentioned in one of his comments, what one
needs is "Conviction!!"
Vaada:
http://Chiraan.wordpress.com
http://chiraan.blogspot.com/ Page 1
So, what we need is only will power?

Prativaada:
There are circumstances that are under our control and certain things rest in the hands of our
karma. So will power and a bit of luck will see us through our effort and will result in hari preeti.
Doing all the rituals increases your happiness in Moksha. The more the effort the more the
reward.
Vaada:
How to get that luck? And first how to develop will power?
Prativaada:
Hari preeti is the noblest desire to have, one who pleases Hari is among the luckiest persons the in
life, forget the money, other things which are only temporary. What one should do always is
manas pooja of Vishnu. The kind of happiness that one can experience in the physical heart is so
overwhelming. Its just intoxicating and addictive.
Vaada:
In midst of daily chores all this must be possible, if u say firsthand that its not possible among so
many things then it is neglect. Out of lack of interest/bhakti in lord/shastras, this is not right attitude.
Prativaada:
Luck we can get... the easiest way is to pray rayaru.. there are many stotras that we can chant for
vairaagya which are present in guruji's blog
Vaada:
Hari preeti is gained by doing what shastra says not what you or I like to do. The dictums of shastras,
if not followed, Hari preeti can never be gained. One can't neglect these anushthana either, saying I
do this so I dont need that, because shastras do not give us choices only we have to choose shastra.
Prativaada:
What one needs to gain hari preeti is quite simple, just chant Vishnu Stotra and involve yourself
in the meditation visualizing God present in your heart (anahat). This is very powerful, niyamas
only work if and only if there is Hari Preeti. So the pre requisite itself is Hari Preeti.
The less the effort the less the Ananda in Moksha. In today's yuga small acts bring great benefits.
Only pontiffs are actually following the shastras in its entirety and nowadays even some Matha
heads are not following the rules strictly.
Vaada:
Hari preeti you have okay, what next? One cannot live as he/she likes, one also has to follow what
shastas say. This isn't democracy, where everyone is a king.
Prativaada:
The effects of such a meditation are I would say very similar to the effect produced while chanting
the purusha sukta understanding its meaning as you chant.
Vaada:
All this is neo shastra, not shastra. Shastras clearly and very strictly cautions/warns that meditation or
dhyana should not be practiced till pratyahara is perfected, because its impossible till then and there
are other reasons.
Prativaada:
The rules are very ambiguous nowadays that make following the shastras in letter and spirit an
impossibilty. For eg there are very stringent rules to do a simple pooja. One should not wear wet
clothes and tulasi should be plucked in a certain manner etc. There are a million rules which
boggle the mind. If you are very learned and if all the tools are available then the process is
simple.
This is a democracy. Do your karma bravely and reap the rewards as per your swabhava. Don't
forcibly try and change yourself.
Vaada:
But all this rules shouldn't deter us from following them...we must do our best..but its clear its not
possible by will power alone or even gyana. vighnas are natural..so what else we need to follow these
things perfectly or with ease?
Prativaada:
If Sri Hari wishes you will perform all the karmas as per your yogyata and reap the rewards. Why
do you worry? Give it your best shot and HE will take care.
Vaada:
Shastras does not give us liberties or choice there is no democracy here. Thats why its even more
difficult to follow, as people dont accept this in first place.
Efforts should also be in correct direction and only efforts wont help either. How many days can you
keep trying you need a guarantee that this day you will get success. How to achieve that? Only
proper efforts give expected results else it will only be labour.
Prativaada:
In todays times even doing a simple pooja is difficult. Which is why it makes sense to move to a
small village and do all the necessary acts. Doing all the acts DOES NOT GUARANTEE
MOKSHA which is only possible once our Prarabdha karmas are exhausted. Till then we have to
do our duty and put our best efforts.
How many people will you find who have pratyahara perfected? According to me, whether one is
inclined towards Vishnu sadhana or not depends on astrological configuration of the person.
Different castes of people have different level and kind of bhakti. Honestly, if you ask me one
must begin with finding a guru -- I agree till this point. But it depends on prarabdha also
Vaada:
Its exactly to negate/criticize this mindset that 'its not possible today' I've started this topic...i've seen
family/busy people like everyone following all this strictly and easily. Whats their secret? Or how is
it possible for them? As I said if you quit or take yourself back saying, its impossible or why so much
trouble, then it isn't right. It is possible by efforts and patience, but, efforts in right direction.
Yes, you wont find many but till then dhyana should not be attempted as its not possible. For one
who still tries it then its waste of time and efforts. Japa is different from dhyana.
Grahas are only indicators of karma, sanchita karma can be changed by sincere efforts prarabdha is
different.
Prativaada:
It all depends on a variety of things. People who do rituals may not be good people and people
who don't do rituals may not be bad. Don't judge people by the rituals they follow
We need a GURU and we need to learn the right way of living from him but in todays age DO
SUCH GURUS EXIST AND, IMPORTANTLY, WILL THEY HAVE TIME FOR YOUR QUERIES?
It seems that you want success out of satvick vishnu sadhana..as far as possible the sole purpose
of vishnu sadhana must be to please hari . i agree that must do sadhana for specific results too...
but ONE MUST ASK GOD:"PLEASE PERVADE MY ENTIRETY. PLEASE LET ME HAVE YOUR
VISION AT ALL TIMES. LET ME SEE VISHNU IN EVERYTHING I DO, LET ME SEE GOD IN
EVERY ASPECT OF MY LIFE". and you will everything you've ever wanted..
Vaada:
Anushthana is compulsory there is no alternative for that. Yes, such gurus do exist. The foremost
guru available for all us is kalpavruksha Kamdhenu Raghvendra swamy. He is here just to show and
maintain us in right path.
Prativaada:
Following niyamas should be done by those who dont get negatively affected by the rules/niyamas,
for e.g. if you are in a bad mood and your guru says "lets do this vrata today." If at all, you show
disinterest that will be a paapa rather than punya. And it would be very difficult to tread tattvada
philosophy.
Vaada:
What u said as is true! That must be our iccha, but only iccha is not enough. It must show in
action/kriya and that is upavasadi vratas/niyamas prescribed in shastras...we must do it to progress
in Hari bhakti/sadhana.
Prativaada:
So that is the reason why you must ask God:"Please give me vairagya and strength for further
pleasing you thru the niyamas.
Nobody except devatas and yatis can do the kriyas/karmas correctly so please don 't break your
head on such things. Sri Raghavendra is my GURU. My philosophy is simple and not convoluted
.It is BE WHO ARE and march bravely ahead
Chiraan Uvaach:
Doing pooja with betterment cannot be pretending! Betterment should be philosophy of life. Laziness
inertia to betterment is law of nature, taking it to be limitation and breaking barriers as pretention
will be dangerous demotion in spiritual journey. Svecchachara is not recommended.
Betterment for not personal benefits! This is the right point to begin. BETTERMENT SHOULD BE
FOR VISHNU PREETI ...BUT MY VISHNU BECOMES PREETA [happy] only with perfection
[perfection to the best of capacity].
1. Some people better themselves out of fear that boss will be angry
2. Some people better themselves because boss will reward them
3. Some better themselves because they will get fame of being better
4. Some better because its duty to better
5. some better because GOD will be happy
The question is if pratyaahara is necessary for vishnu sadhana?

Not for Vishnu sadhana but only dhyana only.
BUT what MADHWACHARYA says is: One must do MAHAPRAYATNA. So till one gets on a path
to believe in HARI and HARI anuyayi (RAYARU), they will not be able to lead the right path. If one
is on that path a simple namaskaar a day will not work saying with a prarthana- Oh! Let me be myself.
Lord will see.
One has to do MAHPARAYATNA.
What is MAHAPRAYATNA?
Mahaprayatna means: Efforts like one father puts to get his erratic son to listen to him, the effort the
spurn lover puts to get attention of his object of affection. The effort a miser puts to safeguard his
wealth. All these people are known in this world trying, against logic, tirelessly to get their goal [even
if goal seems impossible]. Similar effort is required in GAINING the attention of LORD KRISHNA.
Here have you ever seen a father [a sincere father who wants the beneficence of his son] leave the
things to fate and say let things take its own course- NO!
Does anyone force a father to get control of his wayward son, he tries hard, he yells, cajoles, tries
every trick in his kitty goes to every temple and does every vrata niyama, to see that his son finally is
in his vasha where is force.
Look at a pativrata women whose husband is under control of another woman, does she leave
husband to his fate and live happily? NO! She tries very hard get back her husband , is there any
force here ... so also one must try hard to get HARI.
Each of us cannot put identical efforts, as if that were true everybody should have got identical
results but we dont see that?
Always putting up a questions against scholars/learned people BUT WHO ARE YOU TO SAY
THIS IS RIGHT? This question inherently assumes no one is capable of teaching others. This
approach is wrong with the validation of the above question word GURU loses its meaning. There
have been gurus and gurus have been teaching right things. But in Hindu philosophy NO ONE SAYS
I AM SAYING SO.
EFFORTS categorization: The goal of various people at different stages of spiritual journey, their
efforts will be proportional to the zeal to achieve a goal. For highest category it is to PLEASE
VISHNU, and nothing short of perfection in every work [procedure] pleases Vishnu. Perfection to do
is already mentioned in shastras and efforts are towards knowing them from Guru day and night.
Effort is proportional to yogyata only if pratibandhak issues are not there!
Important Points:
Sahsrar never opens for advaiti

Those who have Sahsrar access praana will be greater than apaana, for all others apaana will be
greater than praana
Do a kali mantra japa immediately sashasrar will close
Anybody can reach agnya chakra
It is the point till where Rudra deva has incharge. Rudradeva gives them siddhi as directed by
VISHNU, whoever does rudropasana can get agnya chakra siddhi
Ganesh upasan gives siddhi till akaash linga
Indra upasana will give till indrayoni only
Agny chakra siddhi gives material desires quickly
Everyone does sadhana in every life. It gets carried over from one life to the next
Astrology, singing, dhanurveda comes after sadhana of many janmas
Everything is material for those who do shadhana without knowledge of VAYU JEEVOTTAMA
Adhyatma gyana neta!! Knowledge of adhyatma will never come for one doesn't take shelter of
vayu!! When one asks anti madhwa queries, like an asura asking will I have moxa if I do
krishnarpana, this becomes a dilemma. So best way is to say do Hanumat seva for few days, he
will never be able to do hanumat seva! That becomes a litmus test.
Yogyata of Jeeva:
MANU says ones own gut feeling to face a person is his yogyata. Everyone in battlefield goes with
this in mind- what if death comes? They are all brave. BUT WHEN BHEESEN makes a war cy
everyone runs away from Battlefield. What is this? Their gut feeling [including that of greatest] fails
before Bheemsen to face him, that is his yogyata is highest.
Concluding Points:
Can we condemn what other people follow or not follow?
If there was no need to condemn then Madhvacharya wouldn't have come in first place. Ishavasya
upanishad clearly states that only following the right path isn't enough one must condemn wrong
knowledge. People who follow wrong path with hatha and iccha they are tamas souls no doubt. So
says krsna in Bhagvad Gita.
Yogyata does not improve it is same always. Shastras dos and donts are Hari sankalpa. Thats why
they are to be carried out. Yogyate is fixed...full potential doesn't get exhibited coz of karma and its
exactly to reduce this pratibandhak(karma) gradually is sadhana.
Utsaah to face other only means to oppose him. One sometimes does not feel like opposing some
people that itself shows the other man is higher in yogyata. If one overrules this gut feeling and
opposes his hand legs tremble and he faces bad luck
One who does sadhana with doubts in mind, like I dont know why am I doing this and if this will be
beneficial to me or not? He definitely goes to hell. Sanshaya (doubt) is kali. One must do all bhagvat
karya with complete faith only.
Prarabdha and sanchita both overlap in samsara for common man. Its difficult to differentiate.
Actually, impossible for common people. Even prarabdha can be mitigated by
chaturmasa/adhikmasa vrata. Sanchita can be changed by efforts. Planets are only indicators of
karma, they actually warn us of our situation if no efforts are put towards improvement.
Its only with sadhana one gets better janma to continue sadhana with more efforts. So, varna
determines the level of sadhana for a particular janma. One gets a brahmin janma only after crores
of human janma. So karma gets carried forward, it is never goes waste.
One gets human birth only if pap/punya is more or less equal and its only in human birth that
soul has potential to improve. So in every human birth there is chance to improve. It must be
utilized properly. Papa, parayschit can be done to avoid purposeful sins affect next janma. All
unintentional papas gets destroyed by ekadashi.
Varna determines the level of sadhane that should be done. Higher varna means more punya, but
a small mistake he accumulates heavy sin. Higher the varna more is the ability to grasp and
perform kattar sadhana. But its no rule that all born in higher varna have less papa. They have to
guard against dangers. Its only in lower janams if u do sadhana then a higher birth is assured. If
u know of madhava in this birth be assured of higher birth next.
Higher the janma stricter the rules so more caution...but there is ability to follow such rules. Thats
why the rules in first place...even then if he fails to follow then yama is waiting.
Its only desires out of jealousy that makes man crave for things he is not destined to.
Utsaah level increases as u progress in sadhana, but utsah only for satvik things.
Only will power or utsaah alone is not enough to follow dharma or be on right track always. Its
possible only by devta/guru anugraha. Kruta yuga standards in kaliyuga can be followed only by
devtas grace. The first and foremost detriment to sadhana is the thought 'all what shastra says is not
possible today.' this is udaseenta or lack of utsah. Lack of Utsaah to live as per dharma and
wish/desire to live as one wants is svecchachara. This is only a form of self pity, selfishness and
shows lack of conviction in shastras. Secondly, this attitude presumes as time changes rules of shastra
change so more liberal and flexible lifestyles can be adopted. This is not true! Shastras do not give us
choices. This truth/fact itself is not acceptable to many, these people allege that shastras are cruel and
very demanding so lose interest in shastra/acharna and live like nastiks. Even many scholars of today
sideline acharna and stress only on adhyayan/shravan, because many scholars themselves cant
follow the strict rules of shastras. So they condemn it using weird logic and misguide people/laymen.
Some go to the extent saying that smriti granthas are supposed to be changed with time and for
todays time no smriti applies.
So only hari smarana/shravan/adhyayan is enough! No need to stress much on acharna vidhi

nisheda etc. That is the height of imagination. Nowhere it is said so. Parashar smriti is specially
applicable in kaliyuga only. Shri Krsna Avadhutru has compiled dos and donts from many
smritis/puranas and given us the 'smriti muktavali'. It details and guides the code of conduct for
madhvas. Once its clear, anushthana is compulsory to progress in sadhana. Then one must strive to
the maximum to follow his varna dharma. But when will he do it? Only when he has bhakti in Lord-
only satvik bhakti, because coz it is only satvik bhakti, which gives prerna to follow dictums/rules of
dharma. There are some who say I love/believe in Krsna, Rama but I will do his bhakti, puja as I like
or when I like. This is a reckless thinking and has no place in shastra. True bhakti gives us zeal to
follow varna dharma, because its only varna dharma/niyat dharma that pleases lord the most.
Getting such bhakti/bhava itself is grace of Lord. It doesn't come just like that but by purva punya
only or one must strive for it by doing seva of elders, guru etc.
The question is once he gains bhakti in lord and makes up his mind to follow dharma, he will face
difficulties/hurdles initially. How many difficulties he can handle for sake of dharma is a matter of
hatha/will power and also yogyata.
Renouncing everything is only when time is ripe. There are examples in puranas like Prahlad, Dhruv
even after gaining aproxa have to do their duty that was to rule. So our responsibilities that come
with every birth has to fulfilled first and seclusion is not possible before vairagya dawns. Even after
vairagya becomes sthira one cant avoid his karma and retire from world just like that. He must wait
for a suitable time till then he must do what destiny demands.
Though he has made up his mind to walk on path of dharma, vighnas/obstacles are natural. The
sadhaka may overcome it once or twice but each time its not possible. He'll get bogged down.
Secondly, other distractions like routine, troubles at workplace, home, health problems only
complicate the matter. Sadhana cannot be carried out in hostile environment, at least, in the early
stages, so he requires to mend or set right many things to follow properly. But they are not in our
hands, what then? This is where mantras/stotras come into picture. Sri Vedvyasaru mainly has done
great anugraha on us by giving us countless stotras/kavach etc. For various
purposes/problems/tensions in all the puranas, sadhakas should make optimum use of them to
maintain the path of dharma. Every person is driven by his own karma so it is no surprise that
satviks may be in wrong path (in fact all madhvas direct disciples were advaitis before he came).
Now question arises why these slokas? For what? Many scholars today are of opinion that only
adhyayan/shravan/patha gives all punya, kshema. Reading many slokas, doing puja/japa for many
hours is all waste of time/energy. So these scholars mean to accuse that Lord Vedvyasa has fooled or
misguided us or yatis like Vadiraja, Rayaru, and gyanis like Trivikrama and Narayana Pundita didn't
know about adhyayana. So have written such krutis in bhranti! So any sane man can understand who
has bhranti here!
The use of such slokas is for devta anugraha, as devtas are abhimanis/regulators of everything in this
universe. We, our karma, our body, mind, speech, luck/bad luck all are directly controlled by them.
So till they grace us with their karunya, sadhana is not possible.
What is the purpose of satvik sadhana? It is to gain gyana bhakti vairagya. These are the phalas of
sadhana. To gain such phalas i.e. phala/karya siddhi is not in our hands, it is gained only when
devtas with prasanna manas give us siddhi. Devtas get happy with us only by our
anushthana/acharna, phalas of every such anushthana of puja vidhi/vrata/niyama etc. to be followed
is mentioned in puranas/agamas. Sadhaka should consult his guru or any learned brahmana before
starting with any such acharna, which is vihita to his varna and must follow it full faith.
For a beginner or layman following the many vratas, anushthanas niyamas look very demanding...he
feels he cant do it...worse he accuses dharma of being rigid...the point to be remembered here is we
must tune our mind/body to the dictums/demands of shastra...so that foll all this becomes
natural/sahaj pravrutti and not forced...for this attitude/state to develop we need grace of guru/devtas
only...there is no other way....it cant be gained by simple adhyayan/patha or shravan.
Just as Jagannath Dasaru aptly puts it...the sahaj dharma of water is to flow downwards to push it
upwards we need a motor (external force). Similarly, deha/manas sahaj dharma/svabhava is to take
liberties we must mend in the way shastra advises, for that the external force we need is guru/devta
anugraha.
Chiraanji also mentioned Shiva, Ganapati and Shakti mantras , these deities' mantras are tamasic, then how
come they are allowed? If the mantras are tamasic the sadhana also becomes tamasic, right?
Vedic mantras or slokas/stotras of these deities given in satvik puranas are not tamsic. One can
chant/recite them. Vedic mantras only for brahmins that too only if updesha is there.
But Shiva mantras are tamasic, but the indwelling/antargata is Sankarshana, which is satvick. Why pray Shiva
at all? Why not directly pray to Sankarshana rupi Bhagawan?
Not all Shiva mantras are tamsik. Shiva is adhisthana of sankasrshan rupa of Hari, he must be
prayed. All devtas must be prayed/worshipped but according to tartamya. That comes with
tartamya gyana only and all deities must be prayed as Mukhyapranatargat Sri Krishnarpana , for
example, if you are praying Ganesha then anusandhan must be Sri Ganesha Antargat Vayu
Antargat Viswambharan murthy aupreeto bhava.
All vedic mantras are satvik. Its not the deity who rajas or tamas, all devtas are extremely satvik,
Durga controls/regulates tamo guna but she is not bound by it.
||Shri Krishnarpanamastu||

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Hari Sarvottama Vayu Jeevottama

So, what we need is only will power?

The question is if pratyaahara is necessary for vishnu sadhana?

Sahsrar never opens for advaiti

So only hari smarana/shravan/adhyayan is enough! No need to stress much on acharna vidhi

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