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Billy's Guide to Kissing the Girl (self.seduction)

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firmly planted, even when standing in place.
Its natural to shift your weight a bit and move
your feet, so you can incrementally close the
space between you. Standing also makes it
easier to get feedback from her, so watch if
she moves away to keep the same distance

from you.
At this point youll also want to increase eye
contact and slow the rhythm of your speech a
bit if youre a fast/nervous talker. Dont be
worried about silences here. Silences when
you open a set are awkward. Silences when
sexual tension is building just lets the air get
even more charged.
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two magnets close, you can feel the energy
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this, its probably not the right time. Go back
to your other attraction material, and come
back to the kiss later.
But if you do feel it, now were in the last
phase. Its go time, and this is where the
technology has gotten pretty sophisticated.
Traditionally the advice was the Three Point
Look. You look into her left eye with your
right eye, then down at her lips with both
eyes, and then back up and maybe look cross-
eyed into her left eye or something. Frankly,
the Three Point Look was overly complicated
and youre going to lose the mood trying to
remember the precise combination on that
lock.
What worked in the Three Point Look was the
quick glance down at her lips. You make eye
contact, hold it then as quick as you can look
at her lips and then back up, re-establishing
eye contact. You dont sit there starting at her
mouth like a fool, this is the briefest of
glances.
The idea is that youre allowing your eyes to
betray your thoughts. She will notice what just
happened, which means shell know what
youre thinking about. Were all afraid of
rejection, and by giving that quick look youre

accidentally making the first move. You give
her the confidence to send some non-verbal
cues of her own without fear of rejection,
possibly the same Three Point Look, but more
often Doggy Dinner Bowl eyes. (If you dont
know what that is, picture the pleading look
on a puppys face when it wants to be fed.)
Sometimes you wont be entirely certain of
her response, and no amount of advice will
better inform you. What youll have to do is
just get more experience so you can better
read body language and facial expressions in
these circumstances. Theory only gets you so
far, you need field experience to master this
stuff.
90/10 Rule
But wait, theres more! The 90-10 Rule. This
rule states that when going for a kiss, you
lean in 90% of the way, and wait for her to
come the other 10% of the way to you. Im
not a big fan of this rule, and prefer the 80-
10-5/5 Rule. You go in 80% of the way, wait
for her to go 10% of the way, then you split
the remaining 5%.
I also dont think either of these rules is
something to worry too much about. It can
give you confidence to have a game plan, but
the biggest resource you can have is
experience reading a situation.
Mystery's Line
Finally, theres Mysterys Would you like to
kiss me? routine. It goes like this: Would
you like to kiss me? Do not use the AFC
version, Can I kiss you? Both can work, but
Mysterys line tends to be more successful.
This is useful when youre moving in closer but
just hit a wall and cant progress naturally, but
theres still that tension in the air. Dont use
this line if the situation feels cold, because
youre sure to get a No, and then its game
over. Once shes said it, shes pretty much

married to the position. Had you not asked,
she might have warmed up to it, but now that
she has said it shes not likely to change her
mind. When using the Would you like to kiss
me? line you will rarely get a straight forward
Yes. But the nature of the question creates a
context where you both understand that
anything other than a No is a Yes. Youre
basically saying, Im going to kiss you now,
so if you want to object, heres your chance,
just with far more subtle and romantic
wording.
So thats pretty much all you need to know
about how to tell if a girl wants to kiss you,
and how to move in for it.
Oh, one last thing: Its mouth-to-mouth. Just
want to make sure thats clear because I
didnt say so at the start.
If you liked this guide, you might also enjoy
Billy's Guide to Approach Anxiety[1]
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[] libertas 12 points 4 years ago* (last edited 4 years ago)
Good info.
In my opinion 'would you like to kiss me' is bad. It will work if she's into it, but it leaves
open the possibility of an unnecessarily awkward moment.
Although even if she says no, it's still not game over, because you can play off anything if
you're calibrated enough. Just don't have a bad reaction, dial back a bit, and start talking
about something else. 60 is right - escalation is attractive. Unashamedly expressing sexual
interest is a turn on if you've done your job right up to that point, even if she isn't ready to
kiss you at that moment.
But still, it's a bad idea, because it's prone to cause fuckups for beginners, and for experts
there are better techniques.
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The car first kiss is so hard and awkward to pull off.

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[] nittutt 5 points 4 years ago
Pretty good stuff indeed, however I think that it's a bit over-analysed. Reasons:
For beginners: Too much to think about, they just want the kiss.
For moderates: Usually get the kiss anyway due to some other methods.
For pros: Interesting but have already developed their own methods.
Other than that it's a decent guide :)
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[] JustKeepDrinking 3 points 4 years ago
I like you Billy.

[] Moderator bl1y [S] 9 points 4 years ago
I like your name.

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[] da3dal 2 points 4 years ago
Thank you Billy! Interesting information

[] Thumbz8 2 points 4 years ago
I like the way this guy said it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?

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[] AlwaysLateToThreads 2 points 4 years ago
Going to try the "Would you like to kiss me?" line. It sounds awesome.
[] [deleted] 1 point 4 years ago
I'm big on Triangle Gazing and 90/10, although when I'm drunk it's tough to do the latter, I
just plant one on them.
I'll usually look to whisper something in their ear, or better yet, to have them whisper
something in mine as early in the interaction as possible.
Getting her to whisper is a good compliance test. Ask her a question and say "lean in and
whisper it in my ear". This means she's OK at getting to kissing distance with you, do a
little eye contact and then 90/10 it.
[] endoplasmgasm -4 points 4 years ago
I hate to troll you guys, but every time I read one of these posts I just find it all kind of
ridiculous. As a girl, I think I'd find it a big turn off if someone I was interested in put this
much time and thought into making moves.
I will give credit where credit is due though, most of the time you all seem a lot more
respectful of women than the rest of reddit. Not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing
actually.
Every girl wants her guy to be naturally good with women, and every guy who isn't
naturally good with women wishes her was.
But the truth is a lot of us didn't become naturals when we are growing up. The
options are to sit around lonely all night, never talking to girls, or if we do talk to
them, getting nervous, bailing out, and never making a move; or, we can enter into
attraction therapy, and figure this stuff out.
Would you rather a guy you liked try to kiss you after having read about how to do it,
or not go for it at all?
[] eablokker 8 points 4 years ago
Are you saying its a turn on for a guy to awkwardly and unskillfully, without much
thought or practice, try to put the moves on you? If so, you'd fall crazy in love with
me because I'm horrible at this stuff.
[] endoplasmgasm 4 points 4 years ago
Hahahaha then we should probably go out!

But no, what I'm saying is that every time I read something on seddit (which is
surprisingly often), I always feel like the you're all talking about...things...or
maybe prey or something, not people. Obviously that's a huge
overgeneralization, and like I mentioned before, seddit's actually really
respectful of women, as far as subreddits go.
Whether I've been looking for a hook up or a relationship, I'm usually most
turned on when someone approaches me to have an actual conversation. No, I

don't like a lot of bumbling and stuttering, but I can also tell when someone's
going out of their way to touch me a lot, or tease me to get a response, and
honestly I don't like it very much. I'd rather you just asked me about cooking or
what my favorite zombie movie is, or told me about the last book you read or
something. I just want to feel like a human talking to another human.
I'm pretty sure this kissing advice is aimed at after you've already been
talking like human beings and the guy is like wow I feel really attracted to
this girl and I wish I could kiss her and I'm nervous and don't know what
I'm doing type of thing. I don't see how it has anything to do with seeing
the woman as a thing.
I meant I sometimes feel like this subreddit as a whole has that feel
to it sometimes. I'm not trying to say there's anything objectifying in
this post. It's just the amount of thought that goes into all this just
seems unnecessary to me.
[] SuperKevlar 2 points 4 years ago
I see where your coming from, when they are talking like that
its just to build up us nervous guys courage and just to realize
that we're awesome. Rejected or not this sub just lifts my
spirits up and since I've started reading it my self esteem and
respect has bounced all the way back up to my high school
days
I think that's awesome, and I definitely respect the

mission.
This is a subreddit aimed at people with social anxiety/dating

anxiety/intimacy anxiety. Over-thinking things comes with the
territory. If you have never experienced anxiety about anything
before then you wouldn't be able to empathize.
[] endoplasmgasm 1 point 4 years ago
I thought I was supposed to be falling crazy in love with

you? Instead I feel like you just want to argue with me.
For what it's worth, I do empathize with anxiety and over
thinking everything, although my anxiety isn't really
social, I often find I have more success shutting my brain
up when it's getting bad.
[] eablokker 1 point 4 years ago
That's only because I haven't tried to nervously and

awkwardly give you a really bad kiss yet, with bad
timing and everything. But watch out, I may be so
nervous I won't even be able to attempt a kiss, in
which case you'd fall even harder for me.
[] thatguywithtwothumbs 2 points 4 years ago
I think the point of "game" and just seddit in general is that all of this
advice gives you a place to start and it kind of changes your mindset but
in a positive way I believe. After while this all becomes natural for us.
I do agree though that a lot of mainstream seduction does foster a positive,

respectful attitude towards women.
What sucks is when people get too immersed in the techniques and see everything as
a game and people as mere pawns to be moved as they advance towards their goal.
The only reason they go out is to sarge, the only friends they have are pivots, they go
to art galleries to meet women and never to appreciate the art, etc.
In general though, I think the message is that women, even extremely beautiful
women, are just people, with things their proud of and things they're insecure about,
just like everyone else. To get good with women, you learn to stop looking at them as
objects, and start looking at them as people; it's really the only way to understand
them.
Yeah, I really appreciate that sentiment on this subreddit, especially because a

lot of the time as a lady on this website i'm like....wut?? It's just that sometimes
all the terminology and strategy talk is overwhelming, although obviously it's
not like anyone forced me to subscribe
And I see your point, I honestly never think too much what it's like to pick up
women from a man's perspective, and I guess I probably should keep it in mind.
It's just that I've never had this kind of conversation with my friends about
meeting guys, so it seems a little strange or foreign to me.
I'm glad you visit this subreddit and see that we try to be respectful. I
love the women's perspective on this issue. Out of curiousity, why do you
visit this subreddit?
Honestly I was just really curious about what the topics for
discussion would be and what the commenters would sound like, and
I was...puzzled by all the terms that you guys use. So I just kept
reading in at attempt to figure it out. It's pretty interesting stuff!
There was this post about the terms being the worst part about
this subreddit and I agree, I think it's a necessary evil though.
I consider this subreddit like a practice in human psychology. It
does feel like a game but, ultimately, I am looking for
something deeper. There was a post a while back about what
happens when you get a girlfriend and someone replied that
you keep on seducing her. I feel like that's why my last
relationship didn't work, I got complacent and stop trying. I'm
not going to make that mistake again.
[] Moderator bl1y [S] 1 point 4 years ago
It's probably similar to a guy's reaction the first time he wakes up next to
a woman without her makeup on or hair done.
[] endoplasmgasm 1 point 4 years ago
How so?
You're seeing the ugliness behind the polished exterior. Girls

don't want to see all the times their guy had to strike out and
learn from the process before saying the right thing to them.
Guys don't want to know that the pretty face they're looking at
is largely smoke, mirrors, and a bit of sleight of hand.
Hmm..most women I know ( myself included I hope)

don't look ugly without make up, just different. What do
you think? And do you think all the seddit stuff is ugly
underneath? A lot of people here have told me this
subreddit is to help men with social anxiety. I was
thinking maybe focusing on rules and strategy helps take
away the anxiety if you're in the moment of talking to
someone? Is that part of what this is about?
I was trying to make a metaphorical comparison.

Both genders go through an education process
when it comes to attraction. Women tend to learn
how to look good (and generally pretty early on),
men have to learn how to be cool/smooth, and
sometimes it happens pretty late. Both genders
want to fantasize that their partners were born
attractive rather than having to work towards it.
In my tips I try to get at what you say at the end;
some of the advice is great because it just
eliminates things you have to think about. There's
enough going on in approaching a girl that having a
stock line to recite can make that a whole lot easier.
[] Pales 1 point 4 years ago
Well why do girls spend so much time and money on their make-up? I
know they want to look pretty and have other people look at them as
being pretty but really, it seems like such a strange concept. To see girls
spending all this time making sure they look good, and worrying about
their shoes or mascara. Do you think it would be to attract the opposite
sex? Wow, that's so strange that a girl would spend so much time on
something like that, it seems so foreign to me. I mean, there's concealer
and then blush and eye shadow and all that! It's just overwhelming. I've
never had a conversation with my friends about my eyeliner at a
party...well except this one time but that's another story.
(I know I sound really douchey typing this out and condescending, that's
what im going for. I was just trying to show you a different viewpoint to
your viewpoint on this. I'm sorry if I offended you) :)
((Also, I know, bad example. You're probably talking about how guys start
acting like such professionals at this that they can seduce a woman in 2
minutes and have her at his place in 10. I know a woman's make-up
would never be able to do that, but what i'm trying to convey is that the
different sexes do many different things to attract the other that we can
never really fully understand without it seeming foreign))
I'm not offended. But you have to understand that make up is

marketed at us 24/7, and there's always the pressure to look good if
you want to have value. You want to wear make up, but you don't
want it to be obvious. You want to be pretty but not fake. Marketing
pushes it on you all day long, then the men in your life say "
everything about you is a lie". Nightmare. Probably the same
pressure you feel to pick up girls and be macho.
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Billy's Guide to Kissing the Girl (self.seduction)

synthesis of things I've learned over the last 8

posts recently (mostly on AskSeddit) that

You gonna miss the girl NEW HERE?

Going for a first kiss is basic light kino Seddit Lairs

The Voyage Home Want local sedditors? OFFICIAL LOCATOR

awkward, especially if youre going to be Overseer EvolutionTheory

she moves away to keep the same distance

rejection, and by giving that quick look youre

over. Once shes said it, shes pretty much

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The car first kiss is so hard and awkward to pull off.

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[] JustKeepDrinking 3 points 4 years ago

I like you Billy.

[] Moderator bl1y [S] 9 points 4 years ago

I like your name.

[] da3dal 2 points 4 years ago

Thank you Billy! Interesting information

[] Thumbz8 2 points 4 years ago

I like the way this guy said it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?

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[] endoplasmgasm -4 points 4 years ago

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[] eablokker 8 points 4 years ago

[] endoplasmgasm 4 points 4 years ago

Hahahaha then we should probably go out!

turned on when someone approaches me to have an actual conversation. No, I

[] eablokker 6 points 4 years ago

[] endoplasmgasm 5 points 4 years ago

[] SuperKevlar 2 points 4 years ago

[] endoplasmgasm 2 points 4 years ago

I think that's awesome, and I definitely respect the

[] eablokker 2 points 4 years ago

This is a subreddit aimed at people with social anxiety/dating

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[] endoplasmgasm 1 point 4 years ago

I thought I was supposed to be falling crazy in love with

[] eablokker 1 point 4 years ago

That's only because I haven't tried to nervously and

[] thatguywithtwothumbs 2 points 4 years ago

[] Moderator bl1y [S] 5 points 4 years ago

I do agree though that a lot of mainstream seduction does foster a positive,

[] endoplasmgasm 2 points 4 years ago

Yeah, I really appreciate that sentiment on this subreddit, especially because a

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[] endoplasmgasm 3 points 4 years ago