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T otal = A + B + C (sum of 2 group overlaps) + (all three) + Neither. 32 pt

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Let's see how this formula is derived. 31 pt

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When we add three groups A, B, and C some sections are counted more than once. For instance: sections d, e, and f are 30 pt

counted twice and section g thrice. Hence we need to subtract sections d, e, and f ONCE (to count section g only once) and 5

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subtract section g TWICE (again to count section g only once). 29 pt

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In the formula above, sum of 2 group overlaps = AnB + AnC + BnC, where AnB means intersection of A and B Sirakri

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(sections d, and g), AnC means intersection of A and C (sections e, and g), and BnC means intersection of B and C (sections f, 7

and g). bb

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Now, when we subtract AnB (d, and g), AnC (e, and g), and BnC (f, and g) from A + B + C, we are subtract sections d, e, StoicBread

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and f ONCE BUT section g THREE TIMES (and we need to subtract section g only twice), therefor we should add only section g, 8

which is intersection of A, B and C (AnBnC) again to get Vyshak

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Notice that EXACTLY (only) 2-group overlaps is not the same as 2-group overlaps: LATEST ACTIVITY

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Elements which are common only for A and C are in section e; CrackVerbalGMAT

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When we subtract sum of EXACT LY 2 group overlaps from A+B+C we subtract sections d, e, and f once (fine) and Timers

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Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are placed on at least one team. 20 are on the marketing team, 30 Deep Dive

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"are placed on at least one team": members of none =0; Timers

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"30 are on the Sales team": S=30; kapilmadan

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"5 workers are on both the Marketing and Sales teams": MnS=5, note here that some from these 5 can be the members of Vision

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team as well, MnS is sections d an g on the diagram (assuming Marketing = A, Sales = B and Vision = C);

"6 workers are on both the Sales and Vision teams": SnV=6 (the same as above sections f an g);

"9 workers are on both the Marketing and Vision teams": MnV=9. 5,769 Decision Tracker

"4 workers are on all three teams": MnSnV=4, section 4. Decisions

Applying first formula as we have intersections of two groups and not the number of only (exactly) 2 group members:

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T otal = M + S + V (MnS + MnV + SnV ) + MnSnV + Neither = 20 + 30 + 40 (5 + 6 + 9) + 4 + 0 = 74.

Each of the 59 members in a high school class is required to sign up for a minimum of one and a maximum of three active

academic clubs. The three clubs to choose from are the poetry club, the history club, and the writing club. A total of 22

students sign up for the poetry club, 27 students for the history club, and 28 students for the writing club. If 6 students

sign up for exactly two clubs, how many students sign up for all three clubs?

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"Each of the 59 members in a high school class is required to sign up for a minimum of one and a maximum of three academic

clubs": Total=59, Neither=0 (as members are required to sign up for a minimum of one);

"22 students sign up for the poetry club": P=22; 26 Admissions Consulting

"27 students for the history club": H=27; Packages to Compare

"28 students for the writing club": W=28;

"6 students sign up for exactly two clubs": (sum of EXACTLY 2-group overlaps)=6, so the sum of sections d, e, and f is given to 1753 Paid & Free questions in

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Question:: "How many students sign up for all three clubs?" --> PnHnW = g =?

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Apply second formula: T otal = P + H + W (sum of EXACT LY 2 group overlaps) 2 PnHnW + Neither

--> 59 = 22 + 27 + 28 6 2 x + 0--> x = 6.

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Of 20 Adults, 5 belong to A, 7 belong to B, and 9 belong to C. If 2 belong to all three organizations and 3 belong to exactly

2 organizations, how many belong to none of these organizations? #3 SajjadAhmad 750 pts

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"20 Adults": Total=20; #4 rohit8865 705 pts

"5 belong to A, 7 belong to B, and 9 belong to C": A=5, B=7, and C=9;

"2 belong to all three organizations": AnBnC=g=2;

"3 belong to exactly 2 organizations": (sum of EXACTLY 2-group overlaps)=3, so the sum of sections d, e, and f is given to be 3, #5 ScottTargetTestP 660 pts

(among these 3 adults there are no one who is a member of ALL 3 clubs)

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Question:: Neither=?

Apply second formula: T otal= A + B + C (sum of EXACT LY 2 group overlaps) 2 AnBnC + Neither--> #7 stonecold 570 pts

20 = 5 + 7 + 9 3 2 2 + Neither--> Neither = 6.

Example 4:

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This semester, each of the 90 students in a certain class took at least one course from A, B, and C. If 60 students took A,

40 students took B, 20 students took C, and 5 students took all the three, how many students took exactly two courses?

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"90 students": Total=90; YOUR EXPECTED RANK TOMORROW

"of the 90 students in a certain class took at least one course from A, B, and C": Neither=0; IN OVERALL RATING

"60 students took A, 40 students took B, 20 students took C": A=60, B=40, and C=20;

"5 students took all the three courses": AnBnC=g=5;

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Question:: (sum of EXACTLY 2-group ov erlaps)=?

Apply second formula: T otal = A + B + C (sum of EXACT LY 2 group overlaps) 2 AnBnC + Neither-->

90 = 60 + 40 + 20 x 2 5 + 0--> x = 20.

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In the city of San Durango, 60 people own cats, dogs, or rabbits. If 30 people owned cats, 40 owned dogs, 10 owned

rabbits, and 12 owned exactly two of the three types of pet, how many people owned all three?

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"60 people own cats, dogs, or rabbits": Total=60; and Neither=0; With more than 180 hours of

"30 people owned cats, 40 owned dogs, 10 owned rabbits": A=30, B=40, and C=10; educational GMAT material

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Apply second formula: T otal = A + B + C (sum of EXACT LY 2 group overlaps) 2 AnBnC + Neither-->

60 = 30 + 40 + 10 12 2 x + 0--> x = 4.

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When Professor Wang looked at the rosters for this term's classes, she saw that the roster for her economics class (E) had

26 names, the roster for her marketing class (M) had 28, and the roster for her statistics class (S) had 18. When she

compared the rosters, she saw that E and M had 9 names in common, E and S had 7, and M and S had 10. She also saw that

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"E had 26 names, M had 28, and S had 18": E=26, M=28, and S=18;

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"4 names were on all 3 rosters": EnMnS=g=4; Happy New Year everyone! Before I get

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course in finance and 14 have taken a marketing course. Nine of the employees have taken exactly two of the courses

and 1 employee has taken all three of the courses. How many of the 50 employees have taken none of the courses?

"There are 50 employees in the office of ABC Company": Total=50;

"22 hav e taken an accounting course, 15 hav e taken a course in finance and 14 have taken a marketing course"; A=22, B=15, and GRADUATION!!!

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"Nine of the employees hav e taken exactly two of the courses": (sum of EXACTLY 2-group overlaps)=9; euphoric, life-changing, demanding, emotional,

"1 employee has taken all three of the courses": AnBnC=g=1; and great year that 2016 was! The fourth to...

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In a consumer survey, 85% of those surveyed liked at least one of three products: 1, 2, and 3. 50% of those asked liked

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"85% of those surveyed liked at least one of three products: 1, 2, and 3": Total=100%. Also, since 85% of those surveyed liked at Best Math Books

least one of three products then 15% liked none of three products, thus None=15%;

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In a class of 50 students, 20 play Hockey, 15 play Cricket and 11 play Football. 7 play both Hockey and Cricket, 4 play

Cricket and Football and 5 play Hockey and football. If 18 students do not play any of these given sports, how many

students play exactly two of these sports?

Translating:

"In a class of 50 students...": Total=50;

"20 play Hockey, 15 play Cricket and 11 play Football": H=20, C=15, and F=11;

"7 play both Hockey and Cricket, 4 play Cricket and Football and 5 play Hockey and football": HnC=7, CnF=4, and HnF=5. Notice

that "7 play both Hockey and Cricket" does not mean that out of those 7, some does not play Football too. The same for

Cricket/Football and Hockey/Football;

"18 students do not play any of these given sports": Neither=18.

{Total}={Hockey}+{Cricket}+{Football}-{HC+CH+HF}+{All three}+{Neither}

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Those who play ONLY Hockey and Football are 5-2=3;

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both GMAT and TOEFL", then {Both} = 0, so {Total} = {GMAT } + {TOEFL} + {Neither}. We need to find {Total}

(1) He did not prepare for GMAT on 10 days and for TOEFL on 12 days --> {Total} - {GMAT } = 10 and {Total} - {TOEFL} =12. Not

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I am trying to understand the formula rather than actually memorizing it but I'm stuck when Bunuel says "Sum of 2-group

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use "exactly 2" formula only when the question giv es you exactly 2-group overlaps, otherwise use the first formula.

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use "exactly 2" formula only when the question gives you exactly 2-group ov erlaps, otherwise use the first formula.

this becomes really confusing when the question is asking for the sum of 2-group overlaps, and the question does not

mention whether it is exactly 2 or not. In such problems I use the exactly 2-group formula, I do not know why, but all the

problem of this type are solved by the second formula.

Really don't know what can I add to the post. Maybe you should practice more.

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I'm trying to find difference between two given formulas in order to apply them correctly.

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Hi Bunuel,

I am not able to understand first formula. As you mentioned "When we add three groups A, B, and C some sections are counted

more than once. For instance: sections d, e, and f are counted twice and section g thrice." but aren't we counting g six times?

Please explain as I am very much confused with this. Thanks.

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