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JrEngineer I/O Type for Instrument Index


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Posts: 3 Is the I/O type for the below correct?

1. Motor Operated Valve (MOV)

Tag Number Loop Instrument Type I/O type System

MOV-001 M-001 Motor Operated Valve - -


HS-001 M-001 MOV Local/Off/Remote DI SIS
ZA-001 M-001 MOV Battery low alarm DI PCS
ZSC-001 M-001 MOV Limit switch close DI SIS
ZSO-001 M-001 MOV Limit switch open DI SIS
HSX-001 M-001 MOV Local Handswitch - -

2. VFD

Tag Number Loop Instrument Type I/O type

HS-001 V-001 HOA Switch DI


XC-001 V-001 Pump Start DO
XS-001 V-001 Pump Run Status DI
XY-001 V-001 Permissive DI

What is the I/O for Accelerometer?

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#4 "Re: I/O type for Instrument Index" by Tornado on 07/20/2017 1:18 AM (score 1)
#8 "Re: I/O Type for Instrument Index" by Carl_E on 07/20/2017 8:17 AM (score 1)

SolarEagle Re: I/O type for Instrument Index


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"Instrument Index

First and foremost things to be prepared on any Control and Instrumentation job is to prepare Index of all
the instrument needed for the for the job. As any other index for book or website it gives a tabulated
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Instrument Type:- Tells about the basic type instrument.
Loop Name:- Loop name or number to which instruments belong to.
I/O Type:- Signal Input /Output type i.e Analogue Input,Digital Output , Fieldbus etc
Equipment System:- The Automation system to which the instrument belongs to. e.g DCS,MCMS etc
Location:-Contains information regarding where the tag/instrument is in the plant. eg Field, DCS PIB
Building etc
Datasheet Number:- The form/document number in which the specifications of the instrument/Tag
can be found.
P&ID Drawing:- The piping and instrumentation drawing on which the instrument/tag is represented.
Line number:- The Pipeline on/in which the instrument/tag is installed or associated to.
Equipment Number:-The Equipment number on/to which the instrument/tag is associated with.
Status:-The field which describes whether Tag/instrument is NE,EXISTING,HOLD or DELETED basically
the status of the Tag/instrument.
HookUp/Installation Drawing:-The field basically contains reference to drawing/document number
which give details of installation."

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JrEngineer Re: I/O type for Instrument Index In reply to


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I have the format for the Instrument Index, thanks for the information though. Please let me know if the I/O
type is correct for the MOV and VFD? Thanks

SolarEagle Re: I/O type for Instrument Index In reply to


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I don't know I can't see them from here....

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Tornado Re: I/O type for Instrument Index In reply to


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Your discrete I/O designations appear to be correct so far. The VFD should be programmable to give a 4-20
mA (or corresponding voltage of 1-5 Vdc) signal to the main control system, where it would be designated
as AI (analog input).

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PWSlack Re: I/O type for Instrument Index


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A1) Looks good from here though the drawings and standards cannot be seen.

A2) as above.

A3) As the drawings cannot be seen, no-one in the forum would be able to give a definitive answer other
than the original poster and others at that location.

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JrEngineer Re: I/O type for Instrument Index In reply to


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These are the typicals for MOV and VFD. Will the I/O type below gives all the information to the control
system vendor or do I add anything more?

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Tag Number Loop Instrument Type I/O type System

MOV-001 M-001 Motor Operated Valve - -


HS-001 M-001 MOV Local/Off/Remote DI SIS
ZA-001 M-001 MOV Battery low alarm DI PCS
ZSC-001 M-001 MOV Limit switch close DI SIS
ZSO-001 M-001 MOV Limit switch open DI SIS
HSX-001 M-001 MOV Local Handswitch - -

Tag Number Loop Instrument Type I/O type

HS-001 V-001 HOA Switch DI


XC-001 V-001 Pump Start DO
XS-001 V-001 Pump Run Status DI
XY-001 V-001 Permissive DI

PWSlack Re: I/O type for Instrument Index In reply to


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See #5 and read the applicable Client standards for the project as there may well be more to be gleaned
from within; those standards cannot be seen from here.

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rwilliams Re: I/O type for Instrument Index In reply to


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What you have for MOV is good, unless you have over-torque alarms in the actuator, helps end user
Good Answers: 17 troubleshoot, as Carl E suggests.

As Tornado mentions, at the bare minimum, you need pump speed setpoint, analog output AO from your
control system usually, or a network message. For an ac drive, the maintenance people and engineers like
to see pump load, preferably kW or torque, analog input AI to your control system, or a network message.

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Speed feedback is unnecessary for a centrifugal pump, it will be so close to the commanded frequency you
won't know the difference.

Nice to have on the VFD, common in control system integration and usually available is Drive Health, a DI to
your control system, letting operations know it is ready to run. This is a catch-all alarm signal that lets you
know if the drive stopped, it was due to a drive problem of some sort.

Carl_E Re: I/O Type for Instrument Index


Power-User 07/20/2017 8:17 AM

You need to look at the actuator's wiring diagram to see what signals are actually available for I/O.

There are dozens, if not hundreds of electric actuator manufacturers out there, so it's not possible to make
blanket statements about every available actuator, but in my experience

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is no electrical access for the internal limit switches. Optional Auxiliary switches are used to provide contact
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closure I/O for purposes of providing status signals of the motors position. If there are no optional switches,
then's there's no I/O to connect to.

- A Local/Off/Remote switch that is part of the actuator would typically be used internally by the actuator.
Again, contacts are not usually provided to be used as I/O status. An external local/off/remote switch could
be configured with auxiliary contacts so that the motor's control status (Local/off/remote) would be available
for I/O purposes. Some high end actuators use optional auxiliary relays/switches whose function can be
assigned to indicate status via I/O.

- the item labeled 'local hand switch' could be an internal manual switch used to drive the actuator in either
direction. Again, is it internal to the actuator or external switch?

Just because a symbol gets sketched on paper doesn't mean it exists in the real world.

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PWSlack Re: I/O Type for Instrument Index In reply to


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Quite.

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Carl_E Re: I/O Type for Instrument Index


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Little of this makes sense.

An MOV is a Motor Operated Valve.

A valve with an Motorized actuator would be used to control flow as an alternative to a pump driven by a
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A term like 'limit switch' is consistent with an MOV, but not for a pump driven by a rotating motor.

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