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Setting (50/51)

## OCTOBER 11, 2013 9 COMMENTS

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Calculate setting of IDMT over Current Relay for following Feeder and CT Detail
Feeder Detail: Feeder Load Current 384 Amp, Feeder Fault current Min11KA and Max 22KA.
CT Detail: CT installed on feeder is 600/1 Amp. Relay Error 7.5%, CT Error 10.0%, CT over shoot
0.05 Sec, CT interrupting Time is 0.17 Sec and Safety is 0.33 Sec.
IDMT Relay Detail:
IDMT Relay Low Current setting: Over Load Current setting is 125%, Plug setting of Relay is
0.8 Amp and Time Delay (TMS) is 0.125 Sec, Relay Curve is selected as Normal Inverse Type.
IDMT Relay High Current setting :Plug setting of Relay is 2.5 Amp and Time Delay (TMS) is
0.100 Sec, Relay Curve is selected as Normal Inverse Type

## (1) Low over Current Setting: (I>)

Over Load Current (In) = Feeder Load Current X Relay setting = 384 X 125% =480 Amp
Required Over Load Relay Plug Setting= Over Load Current (In) / CT Primary Current
Required Over Load Relay Plug Setting = 480 / 600 = 0.8
Pick up Setting of Over Current Relay (PMS) (I>)= CT Secondary Current X Relay Plug
Setting
Pick up Setting of Over Current Relay (PMS) (I>)= 1 X 0.8 = 0.8 Amp
Plug Setting Multiplier (PSM) = Min. Feeder Fault Current / (PMS X (CT Pri. Current / CT
Sec. Current))
Plug Setting Multiplier (PSM) = 11000 / (0.8 X (600 / 1)) = 22.92
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## Operation Time of Relay as per its Curve

Operating Time of Relay for Very Inverse Curve (t) =13.5 / ((PSM)-1).
Operating Time of Relay for Extreme Inverse Curve (t) =80/ ((PSM)2 -1).
Operating Time of Relay for Long Time Inverse Curve (t) =120 / ((PSM) -1).
Operating Time of Relay for Normal Inverse Curve (t) =0.14 / ((PSM) 0.02 -1).
Operating Time of Relay for Normal Inverse Curve (t)=0.14 / ( (22.92)0.02-1) = 2.17 Amp
Here Time Delay of Relay (TMS) is 0.125 Sec so
Actual operating Time of Relay (t>) = Operating Time of Relay X TMS =2.17 X 0.125 =0.271
Sec
Grading Time of Relay = [((2XRelay Error)+CT Error)XTMS]+ Over shoot+ CB Interrupting
Time+ Safety
Total Grading Time of Relay=[((2X7.5)+10)X0.125]+0.05+0.17+0.33 = 0.58 Sec
Operating Time of Previous upstream Relay = Actual operating Time of Relay+ Total
Grading Time Operating Time of Previous up Stream Relay = 0.271 + 0.58 = 0.85 Sec

## (2) High over Current Setting: (I>>)

Pick up Setting of Over Current Relay (PMS) (I>>)= CT Secondary Current X Relay Plug
Setting
Pick up Setting of Over Current Relay (PMS) (I>)= 1 X 2.5 = 2.5 Amp
Plug Setting Multiplier (PSM) = Min. Feeder Fault Current / (PMS X (CT Pri. Current / CT
Sec. Current))
Plug Setting Multiplier (PSM) = 11000 / (2.5 X (600 / 1)) = 7.33
Operation Time of Relay as per its Curve
Operating Time of Relay for Very Inverse Curve (t) =13.5 / ((PSM)-1).
Operating Time of Relay for Extreme Inverse Curve (t) =80/ ((PSM)2 -1).
Operating Time of Relay for Long Time Inverse Curve (t) =120 / ((PSM) -1).
Operating Time of Relay for Normal Inverse Curve (t) =0.14 / ((PSM) 0.02 -1).
Operating Time of Relay for Normal Inverse Curve (t)=0.14 / ( (7.33)0.02-1) = 3.44 Amp
Here Time Delay of Relay (TMS) is 0.100 Sec so
Actual operating Time of Relay (t>) = Operating Time of Relay X TMS =3.44 X 0.100 =0.34
Sec
Grading Time of Relay = [((2XRelay Error)+CT Error)XTMS]+ Over shoot+ CB Interrupting
Time+ Safety
Total Grading Time of Relay=[((2X7.5)+10)X0.100]+0.05+0.17+0.33 = 0.58 Sec
Operating Time of Previous upstream Relay = Actual operating Time of Relay+ Total
Operating Time of Previous up Stream Relay = 0.34 + 0.58 = 0.85 Sec

Conclusion of Calculation:
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Pickup Setting of over current Relay (PMS) (I>) should be satisfied following Two Condition.
(1) Pickup Setting of over current Relay (PMS)(I>) >= Over Load Current (In) / CT Primary Current
(2) TMS <= Minimum Fault Current / CT Primary Current
For Condition (1) 0.8 > =(480/600) = 0.8 >= 0.8, Which found OK
For Condition (2) 0.125 <= 11000/600 = 0.125 <= 18.33, Which found OK
Here Condition (1) and (2) are satisfied so
Pickup Setting of Over Current Relay = OK
Low Over Current Relay Setting: (I>) = 0.8A X In Amp
Actual operating Time of Relay (t>) = 0.271 Sec
High Over Current Relay Setting: (I>>) = 2.5A X In Amp
Actual operating Time of Relay (t>>) = 0.34 Sec

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## 9 Responses to Calculate IDMT over Current Relay

Setting (50/51)
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elango.k says:
October 11, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Hello sir- what is the use of low over current(>i) setting and high over current setting(>>i),
sir i requesting you to post some notes on this topic
thankyou

engelect says:
October 12, 2013 at 11:01 pm
dear elango,
Just sharing my knowledge, Always remember that we must limit ENERGY (thermal) of fault.
Since it is energy it is always consist of Power (P) which equal with current (I) and consist of t
(time). low over current is to limit thermal withstand of electrical equipment. Whereas high over
current setting is to limit short circuit withstand. short circuit withstand is not only dealing with
thermal but it is also dealing with electromagnetic force withstand of an electrical equipment,
such as busbar, bus duct, etc. Faster clearing big fault (it is dealing high current setting) then we
secure our structure of busbar/busduct to prevent system catastrophic. Setting high over current
setting shall be wise to distinguish between real short circuit and starting current.

elango.K says:
October 16, 2013 at 3:03 am
Hello sir,
I am not clear with this explanation, can you explain with some example.
thankyou

elango.k says:
October 11, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Hello sir- what is the use of low over current(>i) setting and high over current setting(>>i),
sir i requesting you to post some notes on this topic
thankyou

vilas says:
October 13, 2013 at 12:41 pm
DEAR SIR
CAN U PL GIVE EXAMPLE OF IDMT RELAY SETTING CALCULATION FOR 132/33 KV 25
MVA TF WITH ONE I/C & 3 FEEDERS OF 200 A EACH WITH RELAY SELECTION CURVE

Naresh Kumar says:
October 24, 2013 at 11:29 am
Dear Sir,
What is the size of 3-core,11KV cable required for 1000 KVA, 11/.415 KV transformer.By simple
calculation for HT side current of 52 AMP, 3 core, 25 SQ mm cable will suffice. But i have noticed
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that at some places 180 SQ. mm cable being used.Does HT cable selection is related with fault level
and HT cable at 11 kv should not be used less than 150 Sq. mm.
Thanks.
Naresh.

Jignesh.Parmar says:
October 24, 2013 at 2:45 pm
For HT Cable one important criteria which need to be consider is Short circuit level.
Normally 11KV S.C level is 20 to 25KA at it varies according to Electricity provider company..
and normally 150 Sq.mm Cable S.C falls in 17 to 20KA. For HT cable you have to consider S.C
level of utility first than Current carry capacity of Cable.

Naresh Kumar says:
October 25, 2013 at 9:57 am
Thanks.

## nagendra mathur says:

November 5, 2013 at 11:03 am
Please let me know the details of selection of Neutral grounding resistance. What should be nGR
value for a 20 MVA, 132/6.6 KV Trnsformer, primary side fault 40 MVA for 1 sec