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1 TOWN OF SCITUATE
2 ZONING BOARD OF REVIEW
3 7:00 P.M.
4 TUESDAY, AUGUST 1, 2017
5 SCITUATE HIGH SCHOOL AUDITORIUM
94 TRIMTOWN ROAD
6 NORTH SCITUATE, RHODE ISLAND
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9 RE: Case #1200, Paramount Development Group
Location of premises 1 Main Street (Hope)
10 Assessor's Plat 3-Lot 8; Plat 5-Lots 1, 114,
117; M (Manufacturing) VO (Village Overlay)
11 Under the Zoning Ordinance
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13 ZONING BOARD MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE:
14 Dennis Charland, Acting Chairman
Paul Durfee
15 Dean N. Costakos
Ed Rambone
16 Joseph D. D'Amico
Steve Gaddes
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18 Peter Ruggiero, Town Solicitor
Calista McDermott, Secretary
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1 preservation.
2 Item N, a letter from Mark Carruolo Acting
3 Town Planner for the Town of Scituate supporting
4 basically all of the information or summarizing all
5 of the information that is in the package.
6 There is also a letter -- Item O, a letter
7 from the Fire Marshal John Chevalier from
8 Hope/Jackson Fire department indicating water flows
9 appear to be adequate for the project needs.
10 Next P, a letter from the town of Coventry
11 Office of Planning and Development indicating
12 limited involvement in Coventry. That no permit
13 process was required for their town.
14 Letter Q, any other documents that may be
15 provided in advance of the meeting. And to my
16 knowledge, we do not have any, correct?
17 MS. MCDERMOTT: That is correct.
18 CHAIRMAN CHARLAND: At this time, I would
19 like to call the Paramount speaker to begin their
20 presentation.
21 MR. SHEKARCHI: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
22 Good evening, members of the Scituate Planning
23 Board, excuse me, Zoning Board. I just came from a
24 Johnston Planning.
1 get there.
2 This is a system that will service the needs
3 of this community, meaning the mill community that
4 we are proposing. And this is innovative. It's
5 technically very secure and it's approved by DEM.
6 So it's not only feasible but it is something that
7 can bring, hopefully bring this project to
8 conclusion.
9 The last item I would like to address is the,
10 you know, the fire safety code. The water
11 pressure, as you know, we have Kent County water
12 pressure that is adequate to meet the needs. But
13 these building will all be sprinklered. Under
14 today's fire codes, since we had the tragedy of the
15 Station Fire several years ago, there's a very
16 stringent fire code and we will meet that code.
17 And we will have a fire expert that will tell you
18 that.
19 So those are just the broad issues that I
20 wanted to touch upon. This is a very unique
21 proposal because this is a mill that's been vacant
22 for over 10 years. This is a mill that we think
23 our project -- I'm not saying it's better than the
24 other project. We think it's feasible. We think
1 be in phase 1?
2 MR. DEROSAS: Approximately 80.
3 CHAIRMAN CHARLAND: Anybody else? Any
4 other questions from the Board?
5 Nicole, were you done?
6 MS. REILLY: Yes.
7 CHAIRMAN CHARLAND: Okay. Next?
8 MR. SHEKARCHI: The only other person I
9 really want to put on to testify with a
10 presentation would be Ed Pimentel. He is en route.
11 He should be here momentarily. But at this point,
12 with your permission Mr. Chairman, we can open it
13 up for questions from the Board and I can provide
14 any member of the team from landscaping or fire
15 protection or any other questions that the Board
16 may have or we can address any issue that the
17 public may have.
18 CHAIRMAN CHARLAND: I'd like to hear your
19 fire protection person because the -- that's one of
20 the variances that you're asking for is in
21 reference to the height elevation and the town does
22 have a zoning ordinance relationship to it.
23 MR. SHEKARCHI: Sure. I'll ask for Jacob,
24 please. Thank you. In addition, after he submits
1 level.
2 Affordable housing is median income and there
3 are different ratios, 50 percent, 80 percent, all
4 the way up to 120 percent median income. When I
5 talk about median income or median affordable
6 housing -- in some communities, even the average
7 person couldn't afford the affordable housing
8 component depending on -- I just did an affording
9 house project in Jamestown and the ratio there for
10 the units that are deemed affordable versus market
11 rate are still pretty extravagant. But the reality
12 is, it brings it more in line with people who are
13 trying to remain in town, people who have
14 established roots in a particular municipality,
15 want to keep their kids in town, alternatively
16 people who work in town, police, fire, teachers.
17 In the town of Jamestown, the one I just did,
18 most of their emergency and rescue personnel have
19 to commute from off island to the island because
20 they cannot afford to live there. It's those types
21 of things.
22 This isn't Sections 8. This isn't public
23 housing. Affordable housing is really there to
24 meet the needs of the average citizen of the
1 understand completely.
2 MR. DURFEE: Not a discount, more
3 availability.
4 MR. SHEKARCHI: Well, we hope -- we've
5 been doing this, I've been doing this for two years
6 now with this development and we have been to many
7 public hearings and I know it's been written about
8 and talked about and elected officials talked about
9 it, so I'm hoping that people will realize that if
10 we complete the project by the end of the year,
11 we're, that we can open it up to reservations and
12 the first people we are going to market to, the
13 first people we are going to ask are the people in
14 the town.
15 CHAIRMAN CHARLAND: Any other questions?
16 MR. CASTAKOS: So where does the 40
17 percent -- I think I can talk loud enough. Where
18 does the 40 percent come from? In other words, how
19 is it defined as 40 percent? Can you change the 40
20 percent or does Rhode Island Housing -- basically
21 you're going for some kind of bonds or tax credits.
22 So Rhode Island Housing says it's 40 percent and
23 it's going to be 40 percent forever or can it
24 change?
1 the site.
2 (INAUDIBLE)
3 MR. MORIN: Yeah, DEM looks at floodplains
4 as part of the application process. We had to
5 address it in the applications. So it was
6 something that was looked very closely on both
7 sides, our side and RI DEM.
8 MR. GADDES: As far as the maintenance
9 contract, within the documents that we have, the
10 proposal from Green Water -- is that intended
11 vendor?
12 MR. MORIN: Yes, that's -- at the time --
13 yes, that's who we had gotten the support from, the
14 application, coordinated the equipment
15 specifications with.
16 MR. GADDES: So that, going forward, if
17 this were to go forward, that maintenance
18 agreement, I believe was part of the DEM
19 requirements that still has to be approved?
20 MR. MORIN: Yes, that's the intent. It
21 will be have to be recorded as well as part of the
22 permit.
23 MR. COSTAKOS: Is there a bond?
24 MR. MORIN: To my knowledge, there was no
1 (APPLAUSE)
2 CHAIRMAN CHARLAND: I appreciate your
3 input.
4 MR. MIGNONE: Thanks you so much.
5 CHAIRMAN CHARLAND: Anybody else? Please
6 come up and wait at the microphone so that we don't
7 waste time for people coming up to the microphone.
8 Yes, ma'am?
9 MS. BROUGHTON: Hi. Thank you. My name
10 is Christina Broughton. I live on Alyssa Court in
11 Hope.
12 CHAIRMAN CHARLAND: Christina, what was
13 your last name, please.
14 MS. BROUGHTON: Broughton.
15 CHAIRMAN CHARLAND: Can you spell it for
16 the stenographer, please.
17 MS. BROUGHTON: B-R-O-U-G-H-T-O-N.
18 (SWORN IN BY CHAIRMAN CHARLAND)
19 MS. BROUGHTON: Okay. I can attest to all
20 the kids. I drove a school bus for 24 years. When
21 you pull up to an apartment building like this not
22 one but two, three buses fill up, okay.
23 And kids being as they are, you cannot get
24 them away from water. They are going to play in
1 last name.
2 MR. BRAYTON: B-R-A-Y-T-O-N.
3 (SWORN IN BY CHAIRMAN CHARLAND)
4 MR. BRAYTON: So, I'll try to be brief.
5 We did do a traffic count in the surrounding areas.
6 The intersection of Hope Furnace Road and Main
7 Street and North Road and Main Street. And what it
8 boils down to is that there will be a minimal
9 impact from the traffic that will be generated.
10 (AUDIENCE DISRUPTION)
11 MR. BRAYTON: We used industry --
12 CHAIRMAN CHARLAND: Please let him address
13 us, please.
14 MR. BRAYTON: We used industry standards
15 to determine how many trips will be generated by
16 the number of units, 193 apartment units. And
17 based on that, we can determine how many trips
18 would be generated.
19 We can do the analysis of the intersections
20 and ultimately there is minimal impact from the
21 development.
22 CHAIRMAN CHARLAND: When you say minimal
23 --
24 UNKNOWN SPEAKER: How did you come up with
1 that?
2 CHAIRMAN CHARLAND: Is there a number of
3 vehicles that you are projecting to --
4 MR. BRAYTON: Right.
5 CHAIRMAN CHARLAND: -- come up with that?
6 MR. BRAYTON: I can give you those
7 numbers. So the 193 residential units would
8 generate 90 trips in the morning, which would be 20
9 entering and 78 exiting. This is in the a.m. peak
10 hours.
11 In the p.m. peak hours, there would 81
12 vehicles entering and 43 vehicles existing. About
13 124 total trips for that peak hour.
14 (AUDIENCE INTERRUPTION)
15 CHAIRMAN CHARLAND: Is that making a --
16 excuse me. Is that making a projection based on 1
17 car per unit or how many cars are you projecting in
18 the facility?
19 MR. BRAYTON: It's based on the unit type.
20 It's not necessarily based on how many cars that
21 may or not be in a unit.
22 So it's an industry standard that's based on
23 over 5500 studies that have been done across the
24 country. And that's the average rate that -- for a
1 explosion.
2 It's because the tributaries that feed into
3 that area of the reservoir go through areas that
4 have been over-populated in the last 15, 20 years.
5 And even though DEM has given the OK for those
6 septic systems, there's a leaching of nitrogen into
7 the tributaries that feed the reservoir and that
8 nitrogen makes the weeds grow rapidly.
9 So I'm looking at this septic system and I am
10 wondering, what's going to happen? Is there a
11 laundry facility for this building? People are
12 going to want to do their clothing. They may get
13 little portable washing machines to put in their
14 apartments. Is that leach field going to
15 accommodate something like the laundry?
16 I always thought that variances were for the
17 exceptions and under hardship. For instance, if I
18 had a small lot like we have in the little villages
19 of Scituate and my septic system died and some
20 still had cesspools and they needed to put in a
21 septic system and there might not have been enough
22 of a setback or there may not have been enough
23 square footage to the lot, they will allow a
24 variance to put that leach field in so that person
1 well.
2 MR. VENDITELLI: Now, as far as the
3 parking, you're saying about 260 spots. One
4 hundred and ninety three, two cars per resident,
5 you're still close to 400 parking spots plus
6 visitors.
7 (APPLAUSE)
8 MR. VENDITELLI: I mean, I'm not college
9 educated but the math doesn't add up.
10 CHAIRMAN CHARLAND: The zoning
11 requirement, just for information sake, is two cars
12 per space. And what they are asking -- originally
13 we were asking for a variance where they were
14 submitting 227 spaces. At which the original
15 application would have been 1.17, I believe, cars
16 or parking spaces per unit.
17 And now, they have increased that, if I didn't
18 just lose my spot but -- I believe it's 1.47. And
19 there is still, I think, opportunity from what
20 they've explained where they can design some more
21 features into it.
22 This Board is definitely very concerned about
23 the parking and the impact of what that will have
24 on your community. Because one of the concerns
1 (APPLAUSE)
2 CHAIRMAN CHARLAND: Last one, I'm sorry.
3 MS. QUINDAZZI: Bernadette Quindazzi, 125
4 Franklin Road. That's Q-U-I-N-D-A-Z-Z-I. And I
5 swear to tell the truth. I have a lot of concerns
6 with this. Parking is insufficient granted that
7 there are no buses. Sewer water treatment can be a
8 problem. Traffic, I don't care what the gentleman
9 said, I don't believe it.
10 (APPLAUSE)
11 MS. QUINDAZZI: And the schools do have
12 room but to have those rooms filled will require
13 more teachers. And it is a large population to put
14 in a very small tranquil village of Hope.
15 So with that -- and I think there are too many
16 variances. When you want one variance, all right,
17 fine, two. This is ridiculous. Thank you very
18 much.
19 (APPLAUSE)
20 CHAIRMAN CHARLAND: Thank you everybody
21 for your patience this evening. It will be posted
22 again as to when -- we do not have a specific date
23 set for the following meeting for this.
24 (OFF THE RECORD DISCUSSION)