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Thurston, David

From: Thurston, David


Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:24 PM
To: Stimson, Robin
Subject: Alignment and Additional information

Robin,

Thanks again for taking the time to discuss the Siemens Ultra Short S70 vehicle.

As requested, additional information regarding the alignment is on the City's website. Link: http://www.cincinnati-
oh.gov/city/downloads/city_pdf17769.pdf

A few follow up questions are listed below. Would it be possible to get responses to these questions in two weeks?

Thanks again, Dave Thurston

• What is the expected cost of a 60’ radius car? I assume the $3.528 figure is for the 82’ radius car.
• Does the car have a speed regulator on it for streetcar usage? If so, how difficult is it to remove the regulator if
the car is used in a light rail application?
• What is its dynamic envelope?
• What is the minimum operating pantograph height (Confirm minimum and maximum operating pantograph
heights).
• What is the current draw per vehicle (avg & peak) at 750VDC?
• What is frequency drive (AB, can you clarify/re-phrase that one)
• Please confirm that 7% grade is not an issue. Please confirm the same for 7.5%, 8.0%, 8.5%. Please also
include maximum grades that vehicle can start/stop from.
• Please confirm vehicle delivery by December 2011. Please provide Siemens needed criteria to make this date.
• Please advise on additional engineering that Siemens will need to complete to make vehicle 60' radius capable (or
provide the absolute minimum operational radius achievable). (e.g., What is its effect on the delivery timeline?
Has it been done before and if so, what are the positives and negatives of doing 60’? Please confirm vertical sag
and crest requirements for a 60’ radius car.)
• Besides the wheel skirting being required to engineer the 60' radius, are any other modifications (internal or
external) required?
• Please provide backup information where $3.528M cost per vehicle is contractual.
• Please confirm that 94k lbs meets HS20 loading. Please confirm engineering analysis that this is acceptable on
PT Concrete structures.
• Can one vehicle tow/push another in case of breakdowns?
• Please provide information regarding standard vehicle warranties.

______________________________________________________________________________________
David H. Thurston, P.E. | thurston@pbworld.com | 513.407.2899 (cell) - 2009.12.04 (Fri) @ 14.17.45

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Thurston, David
From: Thurston, David
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 2:53 PM
To: Stimson, Robin
Subject: Cincinnati Streetcar Vine St and West Clifton Plans and Profiles

Robin,

A follow up to last week’s call. . .

Attached, please find the plans and profiles for Vine St and West Clifton in Cincinnati, Ohio (pdfs, dgns, and dwgs of
each). Currently, the City of Cincinnati would like to keep both of these routes on the table for current and/or future
alignments. Prior to moving forward, we need confirmation that your proposed vehicle can traverse both of these
alignments in both directions.

Can you please have these routes analyzed and confirm that they your vehicle can or cannot traverse these alignments?
Would it be possible to respond with this information by next week – Friday, May 28th?

CliftonPlan.pdfCliftonProfile.pVine St Profile Vine.dgn VinePlan.pdf VineProfile.pdf West Clifton


df PB.dwg Profile PBtest.dw...

West_Clifton.d
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Thanks in advance,
Dave Thurston
______________________________________________________________________________________
David H. Thurston, P.E. | thurston@pbworld.com | 513.407.2899 (cell) – 2010.05.21.Fri @ 14.52.44

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PRELIMINARY WEST CLIFTON AVE. ALIGNMENT
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574
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570.79 570.33

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573.06 572.67

1
68%
575.1
6 575.01

577.95 577.75

2
80.00’ VC
581
.84 581
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ELEV = 577.35’

+8
P.V.I. STA 2+00.00
586.00 586.01

3
65%
590.33 590.33

594.66 594.66

4
599.04 598.98

603.1
0 603.31

5
607.24 607.63

61
1.59 61
1.96

6
61
5.86 61
6.29

620.29 620.61

7
624.63 624.94

628.96 629.26

8
633.29 633.59

637.54 637.91

9
641
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646.22 646.57

10
650.48 650.89

654.75 655.22

11
659.06 659.54

663.49 663.87

12
667.67 668.1
9
Proposed grade

Existing grade

671
.84 672.52

13
675.97 676.85

680.75 681
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14 685.93 685.50

690.82 689.82
15

694.91 694.1
5

698.84 698.47
16

702.95 702.80

706.93 707.06
17

71
0.86 71
1.20

71
4.81 71
5.21
18

71
8.82 71
9.1
0
+8

722.59 722.86
.

19
65%

726.34 726.49
P.V.I. STA 20+00.00

729.63 730.00
20

732.84 733.38
700.00’ VC

+5

736.00 736.64
.1

21
3%

739.28 739.77
ELEV = 733.08’

742.48 742.77
22

745.66 745.65

748.57 748.41
23

751
.19 751
.04

753.88 753.60
24

756.45 756.1
7

758.89 758.73
25

761
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763.80 763.86
26

766.28 766.43

768.76 768.99
27

771
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774.04 774.1
2
28

776.80 776.71
+5

779.67 779.46
.

29
1
3%

782.46 782.40

785.37 785.53
30

788.56 788.84
350.00’ VC
ELEV = 784.38’

+7

792.1
1 792.34
.7

31
P.V.I. STA 30+00.00

5%

795.82 796.03

799.73 799.88
32

803.72 803.75

807.68 807.62
33

81
1.70 81
1.50

81
5.45 81
5.37
34
+7

81
9.25 81
9.24
.75%

823.08 823.1
2
35

826.94 827.02
100.00’ VC

830.92 830.99
36
+8
ELEV = 826.99’

834.89 834.99
.
P.V.I. STA 35+50.00

00 %

838.95 838.99
37

843.1
0 842.99

847.1
6 846.99
38

851
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855.38 854.99
+8

39
.

859.00 858.98
00 %

861
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40

863.00 863.03
150.00’ VC

862.37 862.44
ELEV = 864.48’

41

862.00
.
P.V.I. STA 40+18.60

50%

PRELIMINARY WEST CLIFTON AVE. PROFILE


900
950

400
450
500
550
600
650
700
750
800
850
PRELIMINARY VINE ST. ALIGNMENT
200

E.
AV
SCALE IN FEET

AN
HORIZONTAL

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ST
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82
1
82
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8
81
7
81
6
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81
4
81
3
81
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81
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37

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7
7
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77
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77
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77
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Existing Curb

76
9
76
8
35

7
6
7
76
6
76
5
76
4
763
762
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6
1
76
0
34

75
9
75
8
75
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75
6
7
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5
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5
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33

7
53
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5
2
75
1
7
5
0
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9
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8
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74
7
32

PT Sta
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9
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719
718
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705
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700
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699
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69
697
696
695
694
4

693
2

692
691
690
689
688
687
3

686
2

685
684
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68
3
682
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8
57
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573
572
571
570
569

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568
567
566
565
564

4
563
562

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561
560
559

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558
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547.52

547.85 547.71

548.92 548.96

1
550.92 550.63

553.20 552.70

2
150.00’ VC
555.54 555.1
7

ELEV = 551.17’
P.V.I. STA 1+75.00
557.82 557.83

3
+5
560.35 560.50

.33%
563.02 563.1
7

4
565.73 565.83

568.59 568.41

5
571
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100.00’ VC

+4
ELEV = 568.50’

.
573.1
1 573.1
0

6
6
P.V.I. STA 5+00.00

0%
575.48 575.45

577.93 578.02

7
580.83 580.80

583.82 583.80

8
587.09 587.03

400.00’ VC
ELEV = 582.99’
P.V.I. STA 8+15.00
590.38 590.47

9
593.97 594.1
3

597.86 598.02

10
+8.1
601
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2%
605.93 605.90

11
609.25 609.26
100.00’ VC
ELEV = 606.13’

61
2.30 61
2.40
P.V.I. STA 11+00.00

12
61
5.33 61
5.54

61
8.50 61
8.68

13
+6

621
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624.76 624.95

14
627.95 628.09

631
.14 631
.23

15 634.34 634.37

637.50 637.50
16

640.76 640.72

644.05 644.08
100.00’ VC

17
ELEV = 640.64’

647.42 647.52
P.V.I. STA 16+50.00

650.87 650.97
18

654.1
4 654.41

657.62 657.85
19
+6

661
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664.48 664.73
20

667.99 668.1
7

671
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.61
21

675.1
8 675.05

678.80 678.50
22

682.32 681
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685.81 685.38
23

689.1
7 688.82

692.25 692.26
24

695.71 695.70

699.25 699.1
4
25

702.61 702.58

705.97 705.96
26
100.00’ VC

709.37 709.30
ELEV = 704.30’
P.V.I. STA 25+75.00

71
2.76 71
2.63
27

71
6.1
4 71
5.96

71
9.50 71
9.29
28

722.78 722.62

725.97 725.95
29
+6

729.28 729.28
.66%

732.63 732.61
30

735.97 735.94

739.38 739.27
31

742.82 742.60

746.1
5 745.93
32

749.30 749.26

752.58 752.59
33

755.84 755.93

759.31 759.40
34
100.00’ VC

762.93 762.97
ELEV = 757.58’
P.V.I. STA 33+75.00

766.57 766.57
35
+7

770.1
7 770.1
7
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9%

773.78 773.76
36

777.43 777.36

780.94 780.93
37

784.21 784.35
100.00’ VC

787.66 787.61
38
+6
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Thurston, David
From: Thurston, David
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 3:01 PM
To: Matthew Palilla
Subject: Cincinnati Streetcar West Clifton and Vine St Hills

Matt,

A follow up to last week’s call. . .

Attached, please find the plans and profiles for Vine St and West Clifton in Cincinnati, Ohio (pdfs, dgns, and dwgs of
each). Currently, the City of Cincinnati would like to keep both of these routes on the table for current and/or future
alignments. Prior to moving forward, we need confirmation that your proposed vehicle can traverse both of these
alignments in both directions.

Can you please have these routes analyzed and confirm that they your vehicle can or cannot traverse these alignments?
Would it be possible to respond with this information by next week – Friday, May 28th?

CliftonPlan.pdfCliftonProfile.pVine St Profile Vine.dgn VinePlan.pdf VineProfile.pdf West Clifton


df PB.dwg Profile PBtest.dw...

West_Clifton.d
gn

Thanks in advance,
Dave Thurston

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Thurston, David
From: Thurston, David
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 3:44 PM
To: Brian Murphy (brian.murphy@us.transport.bombardier.com)
Subject: Cincinnati Streetcar Vine St and West Clifton Plans and Profiles

Brian,

A follow up to my recent voice mail. In Cincinnati, we have two hills that we need to traverse and we are determining
the different streetcars that can make these grades – both up and down.

Therefore, attached please find the plans and profiles for Vine St and West Clifton in Cincinnati, Ohio (pdfs, dgns, and
dwgs of each). Currently, the City of Cincinnati would like to keep both of these routes on the table for current and/or
future alignments. Prior to moving forward, we need confirmation that a vehicles can traverse both of these alignments
in both directions.

Can you please have these routes analyzed and confirm that they your vehicle can or cannot traverse these alignments?
Would it be possible to respond with this information by next week – Friday, May 28th?

CliftonPlan.pdfCliftonProfile.pVine St Profile Vine.dgn VinePlan.pdf VineProfile.pdf West Clifton


df PB.dwg Profile PBtest.dw...

West_Clifton.d
gn

Thanks in advance,
Dave Thurston
______________________________________________________________________________________
David H. Thurston, P.E. | thurston@pbworld.com | 513.407.2899 (cell) – 2010.05.21.Fri @ 15.44.20

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Thurston, David
From: Thurston, David
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 3:49 PM
To: Kinkisharyo International, LLC (businessdevelopment@kinkisharyo.com)
Subject: FW: Cincinnati Streetcar Vine St and West Clifton Plans and Profiles

I am the project manager for the Cincinnati Streetcar Project. Currently, we are compiling information/data regarding the
ability for streetcars to traverse two hills in Cincinnati. If possible, I’d like to discuss the following information with a
representative of your company.

The plans and profiles for Vine St and West Clifton in Cincinnati, Ohio (pdfs, dgns, and dwgs of each). Currently, the City
of Cincinnati would like to keep both of these routes on the table for current and/or future alignments. Prior to moving
forward, we need confirmation that vehicles can traverse both of these alignments in both directions.

Can someone from your company contact me regarding this issue?

CliftonPlan.pdfCliftonProfile.pVine St Profile Vine.dgn VinePlan.pdf VineProfile.pdf West Clifton


df PB.dwg Profile PBtest.dw...

West_Clifton.d
gn

Thanks in advance,
Dave Thurston
______________________________________________________________________________________
David H. Thurston, P.E. | thurston@pbworld.com | 513.407.2899 (cell) – 2010.05.21.Fri @ 15.48.19

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Thurston, David
From: Thurston, David
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:29 AM
To: haloun@inekon.cz
Subject: FW: Cincinnati Streetcar Vine St and West Clifton Plans and Profiles

I am the project manager for the Cincinnati Streetcar Project. Currently, we are compiling information/data regarding the
ability for streetcars to traverse two hills in Cincinnati. If possible, I’d like to discuss the following information with a
representative of your company.

The plans and profiles for Vine St and West Clifton in Cincinnati, Ohio (pdfs, dgns, and dwgs of each). Currently, the City
of Cincinnati would like to keep both of these routes on the table for current and/or future alignments. Prior to moving
forward, we need confirmation that vehicles can traverse both of these alignments in both directions.

Can someone from your company contact me regarding this issue?

CliftonPlan.pdfCliftonProfile.pVine St Profile Vine.dgn VinePlan.pdf VineProfile.pdf West Clifton


df PB.dwg Profile PBtest.dw...

West_Clifton.d
gn

Thanks in advance,
Dave Thurston
______________________________________________________________________________________
David H. Thurston, P.E. | thurston@pbworld.com | 513.407.2899 (cell) – 2010.05.27.Thu @ 11.28.51

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