10/19/2017 A694F65flangesmanufacturedtoASMEB16.

5Pipelines,PipingandFluidMechanicsengineeringEngTips

HomeForumsMechanicalEngineersActivitiesPipelines,PipingandFluidMechanicsengineeringForum

A694F65flangesmanufacturedtoASMEB16.5
thread378400311

Book Armenia Tour Package Book Georgia Tour Package

Armenia Georgia
Starting 1,176.00AED Starting 3,605.00AED
Book Now! Book Now!

Hieveryone,I'dliketoposethisquestionaboutASTMA694flanges.WeoncereceivedaninquiryregardingASTMA694Gr.F65WN6"
SCH80600#flangesmanufacturedtoASMEB16.5.SincetheinquiryiscomingfromBP(Iraq),Idon'tthinkthisbigcompanymaymake
suchmistakes.However,A694materialsarenotendorsedbyB16.5.Itreallyconfusesme.Doesthatmeantheclient already
performednecessarycalculationtosupportthispractice?AllweneedtodoistofindtheproperF65material(ofcoursenoproblem)
andmanufactureaccordingtothedimensionalrequirementsofB16.5?Besides,inMSSSP44,thereiscarbonequivalentrequirement
forA694materials.IsitapplicabletothesmallsizesmadetoB16.5.Yourhelpishighlyappreciated.

HebeiMetalsIndustrialLimited
www.hbmetals.com

BIGcompanies,ortheircontractors,makemistakesallthetime.ShouldIsay,EspeciallyBP?No,becausethenyoumightthinkI'm
pickingonBPonly,whenShellwasupthereintheArctichaulingaroundadrillingrigwithnobackup tugs.InfactItendtothinkthat
thepossibilityofmakingmistakesincreaseswiththesizeofthecompany,asdoessizeofthemistake!

ManyengineersoutsidetheUSAarenotsofamiliarwiththeMMSpipelinehighstrengthmaterialspecs .Theytendtothinkonlyof
plantpipingandASMEB16.5
Idoubtanyonedidanycalculations.

WhattheyprobablywantisanA694Grade65flange,thentheysaidB16.5insteadofspecifyingMMSSP44.
Thatmistakehappensallthetime.Itisatinybitunusualforhighstrengthsteeltobeactuallyneededfor6"diameter,butcertainly
mightbeunderunusualcircumstances.

Thanksforyourreply,BigInch.IraisethisquestionisbecausethoseF65flangessuppliedwereapprovedbyanauthoritativeThird
PartyInspectioncorporationappointedbythecustomer.Tomyastonishment,theyjustreviewedtheMTRandcheckedsome
dimensions.MyunderstandingisA694materialisonlyapplicabletoMSSSP44flangeswithasize12andlargerupto900#.Your
informationisveryhelpful.Yes.werarelydoanycalculationbutmanufacturetorelativestandardsorCodes.Onlyfor1or2times,a
calculationanddesignworkwasrequiredtotakeasperTAYLORFORGE's"modernflangedesignbulletin502"whichisverypainful....

HebeiMetalsIndustrialLimited
www.hbmetals.com

TheuseofA694iscommonwhenmatingflangestohighergradepipescommonlyseeninthepipelineworldasopposedtothepiping
world.

Giventhattheflangedimensionsareidenticalbetween16.5andMSSSP44,itisreallyonlyamaterialissueandtheordermaybe
shouldhavereaddimensionstoANSIB16.5.

Howevertheseflangesaresocommonplaceandusedsofrequentlythatitisnotsurprisingthattheyarereferredtoasthis.

Interestinglyenough,IhaveacopyofBPflangespecsfromafewyearsagoforhighergradematerialwhichactuallyreferencesISO
15590asitsreferencespec.....

X656"isalittleunusual,butmightjustbeateeorbranchconnection andnotthemainpipeitself.

RememberMoredetails=betteranswers
Also:Ifyougetaresponseit'spolitetorespondtoit.

http://www.engtips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=400311 1/2
10/19/2017 A694F65flangesmanufacturedtoASMEB16.5Pipelines,PipingandFluidMechanicsengineeringEngTips

A694F65flangesareverycommoninsizesfrom1"thru12"forOffshoreProductionsystems.Iamnotfamiliarwithrequestsfor
supportingdesigncalc's,IthinkbecauseasBigInchsays,thedimensionsareidentical,andit'sjustanissueofusingahigher
strengthmaterialthanisnormallyencountered.Wearebeginningtoseerequestsforevenhigherstrengthmaterialstobeaccompany
X70andX75tubulars.

It'strue.Ihavenoticedthathigherpressuresareseenmoreandmorethesedaysnearthedeeperwells,whichcanrequiremoreof
thehigherstrengthmaterialsforthesmallerdiameters.Can'tgetmuchclosertothosehighpressuresthanattheoffshoreplatforms.

"Giventhattheflangedimensionsareidenticalbetween16.5andMSSSP44,itisreallyonlyamaterialissueandtheordermaybe
shouldhavereaddimensionstoANSIB16.5."

Iusedtothinkthesamethinguntilrecentlytryingtoprocureanoddballsize22"600#flangeperASMEB16.5.Turnsoutthereisno
suchthing.22"flangestandardsonlyexistunderMSSSP44.

Thewonderfulworldofindustrystandards....

Book Armenia Tour Package

Armenia
Starting From 1,176.00AED Book Now!

Join|Advertise

Copyright19982017ENGINEERING.com,Inc.Allrightsreserved.
Unauthorizedreproductionorlinkingforbiddenwithoutexpressedwrittenpermission.RegistrationonoruseofthissiteconstitutesacceptanceofourPrivacyPolicy.

http://www.engtips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=400311 2/2