(Fatman's) DIY Nutrient Mixing Guide

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Jun 23, 2010 #21
here it is.. if u were wondering why fatman is banned, well its

because he i a huge fucking tool, has some knowledge but he cant
convey it to others cause he is such a douche. :dull
http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f9/using-oxygen-generator-
increase-do-21102/
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Jun 23, 2010 #22
He got off to a bad start.
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Jun 23, 2010 #23
After giving it a quick read i dont see why he was even banned.It just
seemed like people having a dissagreement not really seeming ban
worthy.What a shame cause it really seemed like a good thread info
wise to people running hydro systems.Sometimes it can be quite
difficult to read someone's intentions in text,misjudging
translation.This is the time where soil growers are happy to be able to
frogeye50
Guest avoid the critisism and confrontation of all you hydro bullies lol.
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Jun 23, 2010 #24
but he is correct about the DO and the other technical info.
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Jun 23, 2010 #25
relevant links
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2009/02/hoaglands-solution-for-
hydroponic.html
DoubleDub http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2009/02/preparing-hydroponics-
nutrient.html
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http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2009/02/preparing-hydroponic-
nutrient-solution.html
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2010/05/hydroponic-nutrients-
why-solid-is.html
lots of info on that site..
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Jun 23, 2010 #26
fatman can be a huge dickhead at times, especially if someone differs

opinion with him, if u dont believe me, read some his posts at RIU,
first off he doesnt even blaze,
he copies and paste alot of stuff, then he makes a couple typo errors
to make it look like his( i have caught him doing that a couple times.)
he has never posted any pics, or even draw a diagram to help others.
MediMary
the whole point of these sites is to learn, and share, and some fun.
982 I dont understand why he comes here to share info, but if someone
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see's things a little different he starts calling names.. what good is
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he?
He is banned at almost every single site, I think the mods made the
right decision, cause he obviously hasnt learnt anything./ my 2 cents
Jun 27, 2010 #27
^^ I agree. A good attitude in life will get you much further than
aptitude alone. I'm glad the mods, sent him packing.
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Jun 30, 2010 #28
update: I purchased some of each of the nutrients I made in my

previous post to give it a first shot. They should arrive in a few days,
and I'll be off the mixing my first nutrient solution from scratch.
I'm thinking of going something like 3-1-2 for veg, and 3-2-3 for
flower
squarepusher
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Jun 30, 2010 #29
squarepusher said:
update: I purchased some of each of the nutrients I made in my previous

post to give it a first shot. They should arrive in a few days, and I'll be off the
mixing my first nutrient solution from scratch.
Jalisco Kid I'm thinking of going something like 3-1-2 for veg, and 3-2-3 for flower
Guest
If you have 2 rez's I would try 2 formulas. Your flower formula could
use less P(60 ppm is good for your base) and more K as that is what
will be driving your growth for flowering. That could come with your
bloom booster formula if you are going to use one. I use something
like 120-60-280 -60 in my flower going up to 325 ppm with my K for
about 10 days around week 6. I then drop my mag and micros at
week 6-7 also. JK
Edit I would also tweek your veg formula for the first 10 days with
less N and more P and little more K to help get your roots going.I like
to use MAP for that.
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Jul 1, 2010 #30
ditto jalisco kid.. also might wanna check out Hoaglands solution.
Read those links I posted.. It's a blog by a chemist who makes all this
same stuff really easy to understand.
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Jul 21, 2010 #31
squarepusher said:
update: I purchased some of each of the nutrients I made in my previous

post to give it a first shot. They should arrive in a few days, and I'll be off the
mixing my first nutrient solution from scratch.
kuz I'm thinking of going something like 3-1-2 for veg, and 3-2-3 for flower
677
351 Hows that working out for ya?
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I was thinking something like this. Ounces per gallon;
Sodium nitrate .095
Calcium Nitrate .056
MKP .015
Potassium chloride .018
Magnesium sulfate .054
180 N, 60 P, 120 K, 45 Mg, Ca 90, S 57
Its a simple formula but i'd double check my numbers for sure.
Then Jk has to come out with the k 2.5 x N, now i'll have to re-figure.
I trust JK over fatman any day, 2.5 x 180 probably too much, so have
to drop the N some. Not sure where Ca should be but fatman said 1/2
of N so I went with that. Not sure on optimal S either, calcium nitrate

has more Ca than N so have to use something with it.
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Jul 25, 2010 #32
DoubleDub said:
relevant links
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2009/02/hoaglands-solution-for-
hydroponic.html
squarepusher
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2009/02/preparing-hydroponics-
961 nutrient.html
107 Click to expand...
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this is a really nice site, i just stumbled upon it by accident and
definitely packed full on info. He also just released a free nutrient
calculator (although im not sure how accurate it is, I've had some
difference with my hand calculation)
Jul 25, 2010 #33
kuz said:
Hows that working out for ya?
I was thinking something like this. Ounces per gallon;

Sodium nitrate .095
squarepusher Calcium Nitrate .056
MKP .015
961 Potassium chloride .018
107 Magnesium sulfate 054 Click to expand...
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this looks like a 3-1-2 for veg i assume?
Jul 25, 2010 #34

squarepusher said:
this looks like a 3-1-2 for veg i assume?
idk, I'm not ready to start mixing my own yet. Didnt fatman use 3-1-
kuz 2 all the way? Maybe
Max out around this;
677
Bloom;
351
Sodium nitrate .06
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Calcium nitrate .042
Potassium choride .05
Magnesium sulfate .036
MKP .025
MAP .011
N 125, P 150, k 300, Mg 30, Ca 60, S 39
I havent found any real good info on what the ratios should be, I'll
just be winging it. Not sure if there
Is any sort of order to mix everything?
Jul 26, 2010 #35
Lucas formula is 100-100-200 which works out to 4-9-9.5 with the

Crysmatic calculator. btw, where can i find explanations for the equations for
converting chemical % to ppm?
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B * 0-52-34
C * 0-0-50
A, B, C being 0.2, 0.02, and 0.026, respectively, for your 3-1-2 NPK
veg formula.
JK suggests 3-3.5-8.5 NPK in flower, and the coefficients become 0.2,
0.067, and 0.124.
JK, do you continue to use a veg formula in 12/12 until flowering

starts? how do you finish the flowering cycle? do you go from 3-3.5-
8.5 to flush, or a different formulation? basically, how do you tweak
your feeding regimen?
Squarepusher, what do you think of Grow More's (or Haifa, et al) fully
chelated trace element mix?
What about substituting about 25% nitrate with urea or ammoniacal

nitrogen? What about any chemical which makes chloride ions?
Jul 26, 2010 #36
Crysmatic said:
Lucas formula is 100-100-200 which works out to 4-9-9.5 with the calculator.
btw, where can i find explanations for the equations for converting chemical
% to ppm?
kuz
oz fert per gal irrigation water
677 = target ppm / (75 100 df)
351 df being the fraction amount of the chemical element
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ppm=ounces fert per gal irrigation water 75 100 df
link
http://www.greenhouse.cornell.edu/crops/factsheets/FertilizerCalculat
ions.pdf
what little i know about fertilizer came mostly from this link
http://www.canr.msu.edu/vanburen/e-896.htm
Jul 26, 2010 #37
Joined the forum to subscribe to this thread.
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Jul 26, 2010 #38
this thread rocks!!! I am so not into making big mike rich, this is for
me. Granted it is going to take some time for me to figure all this out,
but given some time i will b fine with it.
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Jul 26, 2010 #39
I believe PPM is grams per 1000 Liters.
So,
100 grams of nitrogen in 1000 liters would give 100 ppm
50 grams of nitrogen in 1000 liters would give 50ppm
squarepusher
however, to get actual grams of nitrogen, it depends on your
961 fertilizers. For example, Calicum Nitrate, which is 15.5-0-0 NPK is
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15.5 % nitrogen. so to get 100 grams of nitrogen from this, you
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would need 100g / 15.5% = 645g of Calcium Nitrate).
So, 645 g of Calcium Nitrate with purity of 15.5-0-0 will give 100g of
pure nitrogen.
Dissolving 645 g of Calcium NItrate into 1000L of water will give you
100 ppm.
Fairly sure this is how it works
It is a bit more complicated with P and K values, as they have

normalization values
P is only 43.6% pure
K is only 83% pure, so this should be taken into considering at the
beginning before caluculations.
Also, from the allhydronpics blog above, he just released a Nutrient

Calculator!!
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2010/07/preparing-your-own-
hydroponic-nutrients.html
check it out, this makes things a lot simpler, all you need to do is plug
in target PPM values, and the calculator spits out the results. Keep in
mind, the Calcium Nitrate on the top of his list is actually 11.8-0-0,
where as the more popular brand (the one I have) is 15.5-0-0 and is
on the bottom of the list (have to scroll down) labeled as Yara brand
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2010/07/preparing-your-own-
hydroponic-nutrients.html
check it out!
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Jul 26, 2010 #40
also, I wanted to post some of Fatman's "suggested" formula's. I

haven't double checked these, and am simply copying and pasting.
Turns out, Lucas may work, but not be that great. Here are some
Menu recommended formulas for using RDWC type
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would work in any system recirculating
squarepusher
The below formulations are for recirculation reservoir systems. They
961 are low ammonium nitrogen fertilizations so they have lower

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phosphorus as typically phosphoric acid is being added quite often
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due to pH rises during high nitrate uptake. If you like I can make up
formualtions more desirable to your growing method. Your method is
more like a soil grow but with out the humus to buffer against pH
rises. Your system would likely do better with lower calcium, and
magnesium but higher phosphorus as one would use with a drain to
waster hydro like a high pressure aero system.
fatman's Veg Formulation

ppm
Nitrogen 267
Phosphorus 82
Potassium 291
Magnesium 93
Calcium 261
Sulfur 123
Iron 10.00
Manganese 5.00
Boron 5.00
Zinc 5.00
Copper 1.00
Molybdenum .09
Ounces
Part A
Calcium Nitrate 91.5

Potassium Nitrate 17.4
Iron Chelate 7.14
Part B
MonoPotassium Phosphate 27.3
Magnesium Sulfate 66.4
Manganese Sulfate 1.423
Boric Acid / Solubor 1.944
Zinc Sulfate 1.542
Copper Sulfate .311
Ammonium Molybdate .013

Volume of Stock Solutions
5.3 gallons
Dilution Rate 100
EC 2.75
pH 5.8
TDS 1925
fatman's Bloom Formula

ppm
Nitrogen 240
Phosphorus 74
Potassium 261
Magnesium 84
Calcium 235
Sulfur 111
Iron 10.00
Manganese 5.00
Boron 5.00
Zinc 5.00
Copper 1.00
Molybdenum .09
Ounces
Part A
Calcium Nitrate 82.2

Iron Chelate 7.14
Part B

MonoPotassium Phosphate 24.6
Magnesium Sulfate 59.7
Manganese Sulfate 1.423
Boric Acid / Solubor 1.944
Zinc Sulfate 1.542
Copper Sulfate .311
Ammonium Molybdate .013

Volume of Stock Solutions 5.3
Dilution Rate 100
EC 2.47
TDS 1729
pH 5.8
Yes the formulations can be made in smaller batchs. Say for a 1.06
gallon batch divide each ingrediant by 5. A batch of say 5.3 gallons of
concentrate means 2.65 gallons of Part A and 2.65 gallons of Part B.
Not 5.3 gallons of each. The formulations should cost about $5 per
each gallon of 100 to 1 concentrate.
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Jun 23, 2010 #21

here it is.. if u were wondering why fatman is banned, well its

Jun 23, 2010 #22

He got off to a bad start.

Tobor the 8th

Jun 23, 2010 #23

MurderVille likes this.

Jun 23, 2010 #24

but he is correct about the DO and the other technical info.

Jun 23, 2010 #25

lots of info on that site..

Crysmatic likes this.

Jun 23, 2010 #26

fatman can be a huge dickhead at times, especially if someone differs

Jun 27, 2010 #27

Jun 30, 2010 #28

update: I purchased some of each of the nutrients I made in my

Jun 30, 2010 #29

update: I purchased some of each of the nutrients I made in my previous

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Jul 1, 2010 #30

Jul 21, 2010 #31

update: I purchased some of each of the nutrients I made in my previous

of N so I went with that. Not sure on optimal S either, calcium nitrate

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Jul 25, 2010 #32

Jul 25, 2010 #33

Hows that working out for ya?

I was thinking something like this. Ounces per gallon;

Jul 25, 2010 #34

this looks like a 3-1-2 for veg i assume?

N 125, P 150, k 300, Mg 30, Ca 60, S 39

Is any sort of order to mix everything?

Jul 26, 2010 #35

Lucas formula is 100-100-200 which works out to 4-9-9.5 with the

JK, do you continue to use a veg formula in 12/12 until flowering

What about substituting about 25% nitrate with urea or ammoniacal

Jul 26, 2010 #36

Jul 26, 2010 #37

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Jul 26, 2010 #38

Jul 26, 2010 #39

I believe PPM is grams per 1000 Liters.

Fairly sure this is how it works

It is a bit more complicated with P and K values, as they have

Also, from the allhydronpics blog above, he just released a Nutrient

Samoan likes this.

Jul 26, 2010 #40

also, I wanted to post some of Fatman's "suggested" formula's. I

961 are low ammonium nitrogen fertilizations so they have lower

fatman's Veg Formulation

Calcium Nitrate 91.5

Ammonium Molybdate .013

fatman's Bloom Formula

Calcium Nitrate 82.2

Potassium Nitrate 15.6

Ammonium Molybdate .013

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