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Blackdragon Dating System: Volume Five Part One
How To Attract
And Date
Younger Women
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How To Bring Younger Women Into Your Life and

Keep Them There
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Table Of Contents
Introduction 4
How To Use This Book Set 5
1. Overview 6
2. The Three Types Of Younger Women 16
3. The Necessary Frame To Have 22
4. Your Age As A DHV 30
5. Fashion and Physical Appearance 34
6. Where and How To Meet Younger Women 47
7. Online Dating With Younger Women 54
8. Daygame With Younger Women - Part One 62
9. Daygame With Younger Women - Part Two 69
10. First Dates and Day2s 77
11. Specific Techniques For Type Threes 84
12. Ongoing Relationships With Younger Women 89
13. VYW Referral Game 99
14. Drama Management 111
15. Things To Watch Out For 118
16. Sex 132
17. Afterword 141

Introduction
This book and it’s two companion volumes, Younger Women
Case Studies and Younger Women Transcripts is designed
primarily for men over age 30 who are interested in dating
women much younger than they are. If you are under 30
you will still derive a great deal of value from these books if
you date women under age 30, just but realize at many
points it’s geared towards men who are a little older.
Dating younger women is not difficult. I’ve been doing it

consistently and with great success for many years now. It
simply requires a slightly different approach and different
focus from attracting women your own age.
I can tell you for a fact that having younger women in your
life is extremely rewarding, not only sexually but
emotionally and in terms of living a happy life. Not to
mention that younger women keep you younger as well!
Let’s get started!
How To Use This Book Set

In this book I use a lot of terms and acronyms that apply to
dating, seduction, and relationships that I use across all of
my writings.
I could spend pages and pages of this book listing out a

glossary of terms, but what makes more sense is to just point
you to my online glossary at my blog. Every unusual term
or acronym I use is defined there, and I always update the
definitions and new terms there to adjust to new information.
So any time you come across a term like AFC, LSNFTE,
soft next, or MLTR, just click over my glossary and it will
have all the answers you need.
There are three actual books in this package. THIS book is

the one you should read first. The second is the case studies
book, the third is the transcripts book. Of course you’re
welcome read the books in any order you like but I wrote
them with the above sequence in mind.
Chapter One
Overview
Years ago when I was still married and well into my thirties,
I had occasional thoughts, like all men do, of what it would
be like to date a woman who was 19 years old, or 22 years
old, or any youthful age.
It wasn’t an overwhelming desire, like that experienced by

Kevin Spacy’s character in the movie American Beauty.
Rather, it was simply a passing pleasurable curiosity. “I
wonder what that would be like?”
At the ripe old age of 35, I found myself divorced and single
once again, for the first time in almost ten years. I started
dating. A lot. I dated and had sex with many women in a
relatively short period of time, as I’ve talked about in detail
in my other ebooks.
Most of these women were in my own age range, a little

younger, a little older, at most no more than eight or nine
years plus or minus my own age. I enjoyed these women,
but after a while my thoughts started returning to that
curiosity about younger women. Much younger women.
For the first time I seriously considered attempting to date
18 and 19 year-olds. Hell, I thought, why not?
So I did my best to approach much younger women, both in

real life and online. To my surprise, I was soon on a date
with an extremely attractive 20 year-old. The youngest
woman I had ever dated at that point was 26, and here I was,
on a date with a 20 year-old girl, myself being 15 years older

than her.
During that first experience with a woman that young, there

was some good and some bad.
The bad was that she indeed acted like a teenager. She
swore like a sailor. Though I could tell she was intelligent,
her speech patterns were that of a moron. At one point she
spent 20 minutes talking about her hair. I’m not kidding.
Her hair.
The good news was that she was so beautiful, so full of

energy and life, and so fun to just be with, I was able to
overlook a lot of this immaturity. I was extremely turned on.
Moreover there was an…effortlessness…to the sexual
attraction that seemed less forced somehow than with
women in their 30s or 40s.
The first date was very brief, like most of my first dates,
because we both had tight schedules that day. When I got
back to my home, I was suddenly overcome with a horniness
I had never experienced before. It was really something. I
was so randy I was temped to have sex with my couch. I was
overcome with a powerful, sexual euphoria that I had never
experienced before. And the amazing thing was I wasn’t
really that attracted to her. She was very attractive, but a lot
of women are very attractive. This was…different.
There is, without a doubt, a powerful biological mechanism

within men of all ages that generates powerful sexual
attraction to women of prime childbearing age. That means
women in their late teens and perhaps early twenties. I have
experienced it many times, and you probably have too, even
if you’re and old man. I don’t think this biology diminishes
much just because you turn 30, 40, or even 50, even if your
preferences in types of women change over that time.
That first date with the 20 year-old never went anywhere,

primarily because I did a lot wrong. Despite being a little
turned off by her silliness and immaturity, I remembered the
powerful attraction I had for her. I thought to myself “Hey, I
got one out on a first date. If I did it once, I can do it again.
If I can do it a few times, I should be able to actually have
sex with a woman that young.” It made sense. What did I
have to lose?
So while dating women around my own age, I also

attempted to date women who were much younger, primarily
the 18 to 23 crowd.
I ended up in a brief relationship with a woman at that time

(age 31) and for a while suspended my “prospecting” efforts
(though I was still sexual with other women; monogamy is
not something I’m a big fan of). After a few months, we
broke up, and I resumed.
About two months after that, it finally happened. I had sex

with a very pretty 18 year-old. I was 36 at the time. A few
months later I had sex with another 18 year-old, and actually
had an open relationship with her that lasted several months,
during which I had sex with two of her friends, both of them
18 years old.
That was all several years ago. As of this writing I am now

almost 40. Since then I have had sex with, and relationships
with, a huge number of women ages 18 to 23. Many of them
were quick flings. Many of them I’ve had ongoing
relationships with. I’ve even had an open relationship with a
19 year-old that has lasted consistently for two and a half
years so far (she is now 21).
I have not just dated younger women over the last few years.
I’ve dated and had sex with many women, some much
younger, some around my age, some older, and a handful

much older. I can tell you from real and extreme experience
that younger women are easier to be with in dating contexts,
as well as relationships, than women over age 30. I’m not
saying women over 30 don’t have their advantages. They
certainly do! But they simply cannot beat the ease, fun,
excitement, and happiness of younger, less angry, less jaded,
and of course better-bodied younger women.
I fully intend on continuing to date women this young for

many years, well into my 40’s and even 50’s. I have
personally worked with, known, and coached men in their
40’s and 50’s and many of them have ended up dating
women 20, 25, even 30 years younger.
It’s not tough if you do the right things and avoid doing the
wrong things. In this book and its companion books, you’ll
learn exactly what to do and not do so you can achieve the
same results.
Legal Ramifications
Before we get into the good stuff, we need to get this out of
the way first.
Never, ever, ever get sexual with a woman under the

legal age of consent.
Read that again. Then read it again. I’m serious about this.
I know a 23 year-old guy who is on house arrest, has to wear

ankle bracelet for four years, and has been legally branded a
sex offender for the rest of his life, all because he had fully
consensual sex with his girlfriend, an 17 year-old girl three
months before her 18th birthday. Her parents found out,
decided they didn’t like him, called the cops, and that was all
it took.
I could tell you other horror stories like this and I’m sure
you’ve heard them too. They do happen. Sadly, we live in a
hyper-frightened, overly litigious, politically correct era,
especially if you live in the United States like I do. Some
people out in your world are sadly freaked out about this
older man / younger woman issue. If you intend on dating
much younger women, you need to make sure you have all
your bases covered and never cross any legal lines.
This means you must do the following:
1. You must learn the legal age of consent in your

area (country, state, or province). If you are at all
unsure, get on the internet and find out. Some states
have very clear-cut ages of consent, others don’t, and
instead have lots of conditional rules. If you are at all
unclear after researching this online, spend $30 and
call a local attorney and have them explain it to you
until you understand it.
The legal system will not care if you didn’t know the
specifics of the age of consent laws in your area, so
you need to know them cold. Moreover, getting
sexual with someone under the age of consent is
considered a “strict liability” crime. That essentially
means the law does not have to prove you did it in
order to punish you.
Yes, you read that right. Messing around with legally

underage women is serious business. Learn the age of
consent in your area, and avoid all women who are
under that age, at last until they become legal.
2. Check her ID before you ever touch her. Have her

show you her state ID or driver’s license or passport or
social security card or something similar. Young girls
do lie about their age to make them appear older.
They do this all time. If she lies about her age and you
get sexual, you’re in the realm of “strict liability” and
you will go to jail regardless of anything else.
I have a strict policy of never even touching a much

younger woman until I’ve seen her driver’s license or
similar ID. If she can’t show me one because she
“forgot it” or “lost it” or whatever, it’s hands-off until
she can procure it and present it to me, no matter how
hot she is or how badly she wants me. I always
remember that the law will not be on my side if there
is a problem.
3. Verify her age through other means if suitable ID is

unavailable. As we’ll discuss later, younger women
tend to be somewhat irresponsible, especially when it
comes to paperwork issues. Often, they really don’t
have ID and really are telling the truth about their age.
That means you’re going to have to verify her age

some other way. There are many ways to do this, but
the easiest I’ve found is to get her full name (and if
you don’t know her well, verify that really is her
name) her social security number (or equivalent if you
live outside the US) and the name of the city she was
born in. Then call a private investigator and have him
verify her date of birth. It will cost you less than $40
to do this in most cases, and it’s the best 40 bucks
you’ll ever spend, believe me.
There are web sites that also provide services like this,
but they seem to go out of business all the time. So at
the moment, I’m unable to recommend any. If you do
find one that works, use it (and email me and let me

know). Some states and/or countries have sites that
actually show you a scan of her birth certificate for a
small fee. Nice.
Usually you will not need to go this far, but I have

done this more than once with several younger women
I’ve had sex with, and just the assurance that they were
indeed “legal” helped a lot with my confidence (an
extremely important thing you’re going to need; more
on this later) and peace of mind.
4. Use willpower and do not get sexual with underage

women who pressure you. You might get to the
point, as I have, where you get so good at this,
underage women will be propositioning you for sex.
This is where you need to be a mature man, use your

willpower, thank her for her interest, and get the hell
out of there. If she’s really hot and/or very physically
developed for her age, this will be hard, but you must
do it.
Over the years I have had multiple experiences where

underage women have pressured me for sex or sexual
“stuff”. Every time, I refused. I’m not going to jail,
thank you. You need to do the same.
You can get her phone number and/or friend her on

Facebook and stay away until she has her 18th birthday
(or whatever age she becomes legal in your area), then
hit her up. That’s fine. But the key point is you do not
touch them and you certainly do not fuck them when
they’re not legal. Don’t be stupid.
I’ll say it one more time. I do not recommend, promote, or

endorse getting sexual with women under the legal age of
consent. Do not get sexual in any way with women under

the age of consent in your area. In most areas, that means
women under age 18.
Now don’t worry. There are plenty of 18 year-olds (and

slightly older) who are readily available for you. Let’s focus
on them.
Two Types Of Interest
Usually, I’ll refer to the women we’re talking about as

“VYW”, which stands for Very Young Women, defined for
this book (and the other books in the series) as women age
18 to age 23. If the age of consent in your area includes
women age 16 or 17, you may include them in the VYW
category as well. For most of the western world, 18 is the
age of consent, so for the rest of the book I’m going to
consider 18 as our lowest target age. Just reduce that age by
a year or two if the age of consent is lower where you live.
If you’re reading this book, you fall into one of two

categories.
1. You’re a guy who’s over age 30 who is interested in

dating VYW.
2. You’re an older guy who is well over age 45 or 50

who is interested in dating women VYW or any
women who are much younger than you, even if that
means women in their mid-twenties or above.
The vast majority of the techniques I’m going to be talking

about will apply equally to both types of men. When
necessary, I will differentiate the two types of men when
discussing certain topics.
What Is Too Old?

One of the more common questions I’m asked is “I’m 45

years old (or 59 years old, or 53 years old, or whatever). Is
it reasonable for me to expect to date an 18 year old? Is that
too old?”
In general, this is what I’ve seen. Assuming a man does

everything right, i.e. he does everything we’re going to talk
about in these three books, any man from age 30 to about
age 44 can date women as young as 18 or close to it. It’s not
a problem.
At age 45 or so, dating VYW as young as 18 or 19 starts to

get a little more difficult and resistance rises, but only a
somewhat. Dating women in their early or mid twenties is
still very easy.
By a man’s late 40s it gets a little tougher. Things start

getting really difficult for attracting VYW in a man’s mid to
late 50’s unless he starts throwing money around. (Which
we are not doing to do here. This book is how to attract and
date younger women without having to do that. Most my
first dates with younger women whom I end up having sex
with cost me zero dollars.) Again, dating women in their
mid to late twenties is still quite easy.
I’m talking about girls who are specifically 18 or 19 years

old. Once you move women’s ages up over the age of 22 or
so, things get easier. I know several men in their late 40s
and even early 50s who are dating women in their early 20s
without a problem.
Therefore if I were to make some generalizations about

men’s ages vs. the ages of younger women, it would look
like this:
Men Age 30 – 39: Very easy to date VYW of any age

(provided you do it right).
Men Age 40 – 44: Easy to date VYW age 20 and older.

VYW younger than 20 doable but a little more difficult.
Men Age 45 – 49: Somewhat easy to date VYW age 22 and

older. VYW younger than 22 doable but more difficult.
Women age 25 and older are very easy.
Men Age 50+: VYW more difficult but still doable. Larger
numbers required to get results. Women age 25 and older
still very easy for men in their early 50s.
Again, this is for men who do everything right, and most

older men do everything wrong when it comes to younger
women. Of course, this is all just a generalization. I do
know of men in their 50’s who fuck 18 and 19 year-olds
who do not throw a bunch of money around like Hugh
Hefner. I plan on being one of them someday. They’re just
more rare.
Chapter Two
The Three Types Of Younger Women

Not all VYW are the same. There are huge differences
between them. This was one of the things that really struck
me when I first started dating VYW.
Some young women are literally disgusted at the thought of

having sex with a man any more than about four or five
years older than they are. Other young girls have been
fantasizing about getting fucked by a much older man their
entire lives, and have been secretly waiting for one to come
along who is strong, confident, and not creepy. Still other
VYW have never given the issue of age any thought…they
could go there perhaps, but they don’t need to.
It is important, therefore, to break out VYW into three

distinct types.
Type One VYW
Type one girls are VYW (and remember, “VYW” means

women age 18 to 23) who are simply disgusted at the
thought of being sexual with older men. They are adamant
about it. The thought of sex with a man more than just a few
years older than her repulses her heavily.
There could be many reasons for this.
Sometimes type ones have younger, good-looking fathers,

and having sex with a man just a little older is too much like
having “sex with dad, ew!” This is very likely the reason if
you are older than her father and she resists you strongly.
Other type ones are simply immature for their age. The
concept of older men not only turns them off, but frightens
them as well. No matter how good-looking, fun, cool, or
confident an older man is, they simply cannot conceive of
sex with him. He’s just too old, and therefore, too alien.
Yet other type ones are just very, very picky. They have the
image of the “perfect guy” and that guy is a very specific
age, ruling out any men older than that.
About 30% of VYW in society are type ones. Your goal

with type one girls is to:
1. Identify them as quickly as possible.

2. Drop them as quickly as possible so you can move on
to other women.
Once you determine a VYW is a type one (and it will be

usually be very obvious!) you need to drop her fast and
MOVE ON. Working on her, trying to seduce her, trying to
change her mind, all of these things are a complete and total
waste of your time. It will not happen with her. Even if she
gets drunk, she’s not going to touch you. You cannot
change her mind. She’s a type one.
This is a good thing. I like type ones because they do not

waste my time. As soon as I determine a VYW is a type
one, I thank her for her time, drop her out of my life, and
move on to other women.
You should do the same.
Type Two VYW
Ah, type twos. My favorite.

Type two VYW are the polar opposite of type ones. While
type ones are disgusted at the thought of older men, the
thought of getting fucked by a much older man gets a type
two wet. Literally.
Type two girls are massively attracted to much older men in

powerful ways. They have always been that way, usually
starting at puberty. Type two girls are those girls who stared
starry-eyed at their algebra teacher during high school, while
all the other girls were flirting with the cute football players.
These are the girls who had constant sexual fantasies about
their teachers, next-door-neighbors, father’s friends, or dads
who hire them for babysitting jobs. While most VYW are
excited about guys like Justin Beiber and Chris Evans, type
twos are fantasizing about guys like Bruce Willis and
Morgan Freeman. Most VYW are excited when they see
buff guys with their shirts off, but type twos are excited
when they see guys in suits.
Some type twos, most in fact, don’t advertise this desire.

They keep it quiet to all but their closest friends, and even
then it’s considered a big secret. Other type twos are more
than open regarding their desire for older men, and actually
can’t wait to show off their 42 year-old boyfriend to their
other teenage girlfriends.
Most type twos are very turned off by boys their age, and
avoid dating them if at all possible, unless they feel they
“have to” because they have no other choice. Many type
two VYW feel trapped by the feeling that only boys their
age, whom they hate, are sexually available to them.
If a VYW’s last few boyfriends have all been way older than
her, this is a telltale sign she’s a type two.
Type two girls, both the secret and overt kinds, are the types
of women you’re going to be working with the most. As
long as you do everything right, these women are easy. I
mean that in every sense of the word, not just sexually. You
are (hopefully) the older man she’s been dreaming about her
whole life. She is just waiting for you to come into her life
and sweep her off her feet in a confident, non-needy, and
non-creepy way, that magical way the boys her age are
incapable of doing.
Type twos represent about 20% of the VYW population at

most. That means most VYW you approach are not going to
be one of them. That’s okay. 20% is more than enough as
long as you’re putting in the numbers (which we’ll talk
about in detail soon). Plus, not all of your hopes need to be
with the type twos. There’s one more type of VYW…
Type Three VYW
If 30% of VYW are type ones and 20% are type twos, that
leaves at least 50% for the rest. These VYW are type threes.
Type threes are simply VYW who don’t care about age one
way or another. They really have never thought about it,
either positively or negatively. When they see a man, they
are focused on attributes other than age. If he’s attractive to
her and does all the right things, she’ll go there, regardless of
his age (more or less). If not, she won’t.
That does not mean that type threes are easy free game like
type twos. Type threes present several obstacles:
1. Like all women, type threes are very concerned about

what other people think about them. Dating a man 20
years older than her might be okay with her, but she
may feel that might look weird to her
friends/family/parents/etc. This may cause some
serious resistance to the concept (and thus requires you

to be on your game as well as be more discreet).
2. Unlike most type twos, the vast majority of type threes

have no experience dating (or fucking) older men at
all. If you have sex with her, you’ll likely be her first
“older guy”. That means it’s outside of her comfort
zone. For this reason, type threes require more solid
“game” and work to get to the point where they will
have sex with you, much less date you in any sort of
relationship context. No, they will not resist you on
the basis of your age like a type one will, but there will
usually still be some sort of resistance you will need to
overcome. It will not be a “do everything right and
it’s a slam dunk” like with a type two.
3. Unlike type twos, type threes do enjoy dating guys

their own age. That means there way, WAY more
competition for you; the type competition you’ll never
have to worry about with a type two. Every time I’m
done dating a type three VYW, she always goes right
back to dating boys her own age. Remember, type
threes don’t care about age. They’ll date a 20 year-old
guy just as happily as they’ll date a 38 year-old guy.
Perhaps more so, since the 20 year-old dude is more in
her comfort zone.
Don’t worry though. I devote an entire chapter in this book

on how to close on type threes. They just require a little
more patience and work than type twos. Moreover, they
require more time. When I have sex with a type three, it
almost always requires more of my time to get her
comfortable with the concept than a fast lay with a type two.
This is normal and to be expected.
To review, here are the three types of VYW and your default
actions with each:
Type Ones – Zero odds of success. Identify and screen out

as soon as possible.
Type Twos – Proceed strongly and fast. High odds of

success.
Type Threes – Proceed carefully and gently. Medium odds

of success.
We’ll cover all of the above. For now, it’s important to get
the definitions of the three types down, because I refer to
them often.
Chapter Three
The Necessary Frame To Have

In my primary dating ebook, I talk about how important the
twin qualities of confidence and outcome independence are
to your ability to attract and keep women your life. As an
older man working with much younger women, these traits
are even more important than when working with women
your own age (for reasons I’ll describe in a minute).
The good news is that theoretically, as an older guy, you

already should have a decent quantity of both confidence
and outcome independence. I work with a lot of guys in the
seduction business, and the difference between guys in their
early 20’s and guys in their late 30’s is often night and day.
Younger men are often raging with neediness, loneliness,
drama-queen behavior, and a strong need for acceptance.
Older men often have these negative traits as well, but
usually not nearly as much.
As an older man, you need to take all of your experiences

and successes and hone this into a powerful sense of
confidence and outcome independence. It is absolutely
critical you demonstrate these two qualities with VYW, or
nothing you will learn in these books will help you much.
I’m going to briefly describe confidence, outcome

independence, and a third trait you’ll need: non-creepiness,
in a minute. First you need to clearly understand why these
three traits are not only necessary, but more necessary for
VYW than with other women.
The Life Of The Hot Younger Woman
VYW live a different life than older women. I’ll use an

example by comparing a typical hot 28 year-old with a
typical hot 18 year-old.
On the surface, the smoking hot 28 year-old woman and the

hot 18 year-old girl appear to move through life about the
same. They’re both hot, and they know it. They both dress
hot and present themselves well. They both get an extreme
amount of attention from men.
However if you look deeper, strong differences emerge.
The 28 year-old gets hit on by men all the time, sure. But
men are not throwing themselves at her, propositioning for
sex constantly. They can’t, because likely she knows these
men in the workplace where they’d get fired if they pulled
that. Other men around her are going to be her age or older,
which means their moves towards her are going to be more
classy and less overt. Her access to men is
compartmentalized into times only when she’s not working
on her responsibilities in life. Most of her time is taken up
by her job, extended family, school, the gym, and her
children if she has them (which statistically speaking she
most likely does).
The 18 year-old’s situation is completely different. Unlike

the hot 28 year-old, the hot 18 year-old is constantly
surround by horny younger men who are constantly telling
her how hot she is, how big her tits are, how beautiful she is,
and how much they want her to move in with them. On top
of this, she is getting a constant barrage of sexual
propositions from these horny bastards. She is being asked
for sex on almost a daily basis, and by multiple men. Since
younger men usually have very poor game, often she’s even
begged for it.
While the 28 year-old is at work or college or the gym or

taking care of children, the 18 year-old is hanging out at
malls, flirting with guys downtown, and having sex with
guys at parties. Men are constantly around her,
complimenting her, groping her, and kissing her ass.
It gets even worse. The hot 28 year-old would never tolerate

this behavior. She’s used to men fawning all over her and
while sometimes she likes the attention, often she tires of it
and it annoys her. If a man actually makes a sexual
comment, she will often actually get upset.
The 18 year-old? Hell no! She LOVES all this immature

attention from needy younger men. It’s all new and exciting
to her, and she drinks it up with relish. This is even more
intense if she’s a late bloomer, and a lot of very hot VYW
are. I’ve dated many 18 and 19 year-olds who were ugly
ducklings at age 15 or 16 and then suddenly blossomed,
getting big boobs, losing weight, growing out their hair, and
going blonde. By the time they hit 18, they’re suddenly
gorgeous. These women LOVE every bit of immature,
stupid sexual attention they get from men (even if they
complain about it in a joking way).
So in the middle of all this comes you. You are out on a

date with a hot 18 year-old, and you start telling her how
pretty she is, how cool and fun she is, and how she should
“just come back to your place”. Will that work? Are you
being ANY different than the last 50 guys who have tried to
fuck her?
The answer is of course, no. Kissing a woman’s ass like that

might work if she’s 33 years old. Maybe. But if she’s a cute
VYW, she’ll just place you in the “just like everyone else
who tries to fuck me” category, which is a roundabout way
of saying she will not have sex with you.
Confidence and Outcome Independence
I hope you understand what I’m saying here. Your

confidence and outcome independence are of paramount
importance if you want to make younger women a part of
your life.
As I said, I’ve discussed these two qualities in-depth in my

other books, so I’m just going to summarize them here.
Confidence means that you are always relaxed, happy, calm,

not nervous, strong, and have no problem issuing orders and
preferences to a woman you’re sitting across from. It means
your body language is always strong and relaxed. Your
walk is bold and straight, perhaps even with a swagger.
Your eye contact is strong but not weird, your stomach in,
your chest out. You are not phased by anything that
happens. The world is your oyster.
Outcome independence means you literally do not give a shit

how the interaction may end up. If you’re on a first date
with super ultra hot 20 year-old, you’d like to fuck her of
course, but if you don’t, you don’t care at all. If you end up
fucking her, great. If she calls you an asshole and storms out
of the coffee shop, that’s fine. If she tells you you’re the
most amazing man she’s ever met, that’s equally fine. It’s
all fine. You don’t care. Regardless of what happens with
this one woman, you know there are thousands of other hot
women out there, right around the corner, and if she doesn’t
work, you’re on to the next hot babe on the list.
Outcome independence is probably the most attractive

quality you can possibly have to women, especially VYW.
Just imaging being on a first date with that hot 18 year-old
from the above example. She’s used to men stumbling and
drooling all over her, and here you are, relaxed, talking to
her, not complimenting her at all, enjoying yourself, and

clearly not giving a shit about how the interaction ends up.
You do this, she will be suddenly attracted to you and she
won’t even know why.
We’ll talk more about specifics on the first date with a

younger woman in later chapters, so if I just threw a lot at
you, don’t worry, we’ll get to it.
Non-Creepiness
As an older man attracting VYW, there is a third trait you

need that normally you don’t need to worry about. That is
non-creepiness.
You’ve probably heard about “risking creepy” when trying

to seduce a woman. That’s good advice. You should touch
a woman (kino) very soon and strongly and confidently
escalate to sexual activity as fast as possible (in most cases)
even if you think touching her “this soon” might make you
look “creepy”. This is a very effective way to get laid and I
do it all the time.
However! If you’re an older guy trying to attract a VYW,

this is an exception to that rule. “Risking creepy” does NOT
work with VYW and older men.
As a younger girl, she is already going to be on guard

against you as an older man acting creepy, especially if she’s
a type three (but this is an issue with type twos as well).
You being 20 years older than her (or more) is already
enough of an issue. You getting “creepy” on top of all that
will instantly derail the interaction and you’re out. It is
extremely important to be confident, outcome independent,
even sexual, but not creepy.
“How can I be confident and sexual without being creepy?”

you ask. I’ll give you some examples of confidently sexual
vs. creepy and you’ll see what I mean.
Examples of Confidently Sexual
• Asking her a question about the sexual prowess (or

lack thereof) of the ex-boyfriend she’s talking about.
• Musing about how you like to grab a woman’s hair

hard during sex, saying it with a calm smile on your
face.
• Asking her if she cums vaginally or clitorally while

taking about sex.
• Confidently talking about how you like bigger asses

on women and hate smaller ones.
• Confidently and calmly answering any sexual or

detailed relationship questions she asks you no matter
how personal, and getting explicit with the answers.
• Joking about sex or sexual issues (and your jokes are

actually witty and funny, not crude and stupid).
Examples of Creepy
• Clearly staring at her cleavage.
• Implying strongly that “we should go back to my

place” way too soon in the interaction.
• Saying “I bet you like big thick cocks!” and then

winking at her.
• Saying something sexual then laughing at your own

joke.
• Talking about weird sexual stuff, like S&M or fisting

or sex with animals.
• Creepy eye contact that is too strong, boring into her

eyes.
• Wild eye contact that is too weak, always darting your

eyes around the room as you talk.
• Clearly leering at other women while on the date.
• Body language that is “too interested”. Leaning

forward, getting into her face, etc.
• Being too eager to talk or to impress her, especially

regarding sexual topics (but others as well).
See the difference? Younger women are instinctively going

to have their “creepiness radar” on full-blast when they first
meet you. You need to dial down the creepy, needy sexual
stuff as best you can. The good news is once you start
having sex with her, you can get as kinky as you like.
Another way to describe this is to be sexual, but not horny.

Horny men are a turn off, and she’s well used to horny men.
Sexual men on the other hand are extremely attractive, and
that’s what she doesn’t see much of. It’s what will help
differentiate you from all the other men in her life.
A horny guy is leaning forward, leering at her, getting a

boner in his pants as he’s talking to her. A sexual guy is
leaning back, relaxed, smiling, and talking about sex and
sexual experiences in a way that engages her imagination.
Every technique we’re going to be talking about must come

from a place of confidence, outcome independence, and noncreepiness.
Otherwise, your results will be very spotty no
matter how honed your technique is.
Chapter Four
Your Age As A DHV

If I had only one sentence to answer the question “How can I
attract much younger women as an older man?”, it would be
this:
Be the man the boys her age are not.
Sometimes I will notice that older guys will go out of their

way to dress younger, act younger, engage in “young guy”
activities, and lie about their age.
I suppose there is nothing technically wrong with that, and

that can work, under certain conditions, if you are no older
than perhaps 35 or so.
It’s a mistake and I’ll tell you why. The reason a younger
woman is going to like you, be attracted to you, want to be
with you, is because of how you are different from the
young guys her age, not because you’re the same.
It’s a key point and a lot of older guys misunderstand this.

Does a 21 year-old girl want a guy who looks 38 but acts
like he’s 25? No. If that were the case, she’d just go for
guys who act 25 and really are 25.
A guy who is 38 and more or less acts like he’s 38, now
that’s different. Interesting. Unusual. Compelling.
“Forbidden.” Exciting.
Guys her age are kissing her ass, getting emotional way too
fast, talk like “gangstas”, and play Xbox all day.
You’re an older guy. Confident. Strong. Sure. Focused.

Successful. Controlled. Steady. These are powerful
qualities to have, and extremely attractive, not just to
younger women but to all women.
These qualities will attract the type two VYW to you like a
magnet, and make the type threes at least give you a serious
second look. However if you dress like you’re going out to
the clubs and talk like a guy 15 years younger than you,
you’re going to destroy all the qualities that attract younger
women to older men.
Older guys who go out of their way to act younger are really
just trying to score with the type ones. The problem is as I
said back in chapter two, type ones don’t want to have sex
with an older man no matter how cool or “young” he seems.
The type threes aren’t going to care at all about your false
young behavior and the type twos are actually going to be
repulsed by it.
I’m not saying you try to “act old” either. That’s also a
mistake. Too many older guys grumble about “that damn
rap music” and dress like old married AFCs. You don’t
want to act like one of her young guy friends, but you also
don’t want to act like her dad, uncle, or grandpa either
(though there are slight exceptions to the dad thing…we’ll
talk about that later).
You don’t want to hide your age or be ashamed of it. Your

goal is to promote the good qualities and advantages of your
age over younger men while diminishing the few negative

qualities of your age (if any!).
Here’s exactly how you can accomplish both:
1. Unless it’s part of a greater overall strategy, never lie

about your age. If you’re 42, tell her you’re 42 and
don’t shy away from it. (Am I telling you to never lie
about your age no matter what? I don’t like about my
age, but I do work with guys who do fudge their ages
a little and come clean about their age later in the
interaction. It’s one way to go, and it can work, but
it’s not ideal in my view, for all the reasons we’re
discussing.)
2. Don’t try to dress like a man younger than you. Dress

cool, but dress age appropriate. Next chapter we’re
going to talk about this in detail.
3. Be busy. Have a busy schedule. Make sure she

knows you have things to do. Men her age, even
those with jobs, usually have a LOT of free time on
their hands. You don’t want to be in that category.
David DeAnglo once said the immortal words, “Give
her the gift of missing you.” It was one of the most
accurate things ever spoken on the issue of seduction
and relationships. Give her plenty of opportunities to
miss you while you get work done in other areas of
your life. Let all the guys her age constantly bother
her because they’re bored and have nothing to do.
4. Do not tolerate drama or immature behavior from her.

Guys in her age group will dive right into her drama
and will fight and scream and bitch and rationalize
and explain and argue right along with her until the
cows come home. As an older man, you need to be
above that childishness. If she starts throwing

immature drama your way, give her one stern
warning. When she acknowledges it, immediately
change the subject. If she does it again, soft next her
and go do something else with your life while she
cools off. I’ve devoted an entire chapter (chapter
fourteen) to drama management, but in the meantime,
remember this:
Drama is for younger men. Not you.
5. Avoid “young guy” vernacular. If you’re over the age

of about 32, you should not be saying the word
“dude” too often, and I better not ever hear the letters
“OMG” fall out of your mouth unless you’re clearly
being sarcastic.
You get the point.
6. Exhibit responsible behavior. Young guys are

irresponsible, older men are responsible, or at least
that’s how it’s supposed to be and that’s what
younger women are going to expect (and if they’re
type twos, be attracted to).
I’m not saying you can’t booze it up or have kinky

sex or occasionally drive really fast. Just make sure
you’re doing those things responsibly. You know
what I mean by drinking responsibly and drinking
irresponsibly. There’s a difference between when a
40 year-old guy gets drunk and when a 23 year-old
guy gets drunk.
Chapter Five
Fashion and Physical Appearance

We’ve talked about how you need to allow your age to DHV
you and not attempt to look or act younger. A key
component of this and of all your seduction efforts is your
style, fashion, and physical appearance.
The goal here is to dress appropriate for your age but do so

in modern styles. Pay attention to what celebrities your age
are wearing, and use that as a basis. Sources like GQ
magazine and Askmen.com are also good. Don’t dress
younger, instead dress cool. Those two things are not
mutually exclusive.
If you are severely fashion-challenged and have no idea

where to start, pay $100 and go spend an hour with an image
consultant. Alternatively, go shopping with two women
who are well under the age of 35 and have them give you
some pointers (this is the only time I’ll tell you to take
advice from women about anything dating-related).
On first dates with younger women, I will often wear nice,

jeans (not the baggy wrinkly kind), nice shiny business
shoes, a nice button-down shirt (usually blue) and sometimes
wear a suit jacket over that. I look good. I look my age.
Most importantly, I look cool, with the times, and like I
know what I’m doing. These are all the images I want to
convey.
Sometimes I will even wear a full-on business suit to the

first date if I get wind that guys in suits turn her on. This is
very common with the type twos. Guys in suits to them are
like girls in cheerleader outfits to us.
Here are some examples to get you started.
If you’re a guy in his 30s, here’s the Colin Farrell look:
Colin Farrell is in his mid-30s and always does a good job at

dressing cool while not trying to look younger than he is.
It’s a slightly more “edgy” older guy look and it works.
If you’re in your 40s, take a look at this:
Mr. Craig here is dressed completely age appropriate but

still looks very cool. Even though his clothes are nice he’s
still casual and relaxed. Notice his two top buttons are
unbuttoned and his sleeves are rolled up. Casual, cool, and
classy all at the same time. Perfect.
For you guys in your 50s, here are two different possible
looks, both of which work.
I can only hope I look as young as Liam Neeson does when

I’m in my 50s. Go back and watch his fantastic movie,
Taken. People don’t realize he was 56 years old when he
did that film back in 2008. The way he was dressed and the
way he carried himself in that movie was part of the reasons
he looked so damn good for his age.
Hair
You need to have a current, non-nerdy hairstyle. I didn’t say

you need to have a crazy peacocked hairstyle, I just said
current and non-nerdy. Older men tend to fall into the trap
of either not caring about how their hair looks or styling
their hair the same way they did when they were in high
school 25 years ago. Both are bad.
The easiest way to avoid this is to again, check out some

modern celebrities who are around your age and find a
hairstyle you like. Talk to an upper-level hairstylist for
assistance if you need to.
Gray Hair
This is mostly a personal preference thing. A little gray,

especially if you’re over 40, is fine, and won’t damage your
ability to attract younger women. A lot of gray likely will.
If you’re over 40, have a little gray, and you really don’t
care, leave it alone. However, if you’re under 30 and gray
or if you’re over 40 and don’t like your gray or if you have a
lot of gray regardless of how old you are, dye your hair at
every haircut. Most inexpensive haircut chains have very
cheap hair dye options for men, often under $15. This is
what I do. It removes 80% to 90% of the gray from your
hair in less than 10 minutes and looks great.
If you can afford full-bore dying that eliminates all the gray
from your hair, go for it. It’s important you think your hair
looks “young” so you can be confident in dealing with
women, younger or otherwise.
Balding
First let me state for the record that I have been clearly
balding since I was about 32 years old and I have had sex
with many younger women anyway, VYW included.
Having a small bald spot or thinning hair is not a make-orbreak
deal with VYW, especially the type twos.
That being said, bald spots or clearly thinning hair still

makes you look less attractive to older and younger women
alike, thus going bald is still a bad thing in terms of your
physical appearance, and if you can see scalp on the top of
your head you are still going to lose points with women,
requiring you to ramp up your game and/or put in more
numbers of women you open. It must be addressed.
Here’s how you can keep your balding head a minimal issue.
1. If you are balding, the first thing you need to do is to

start a topical regimen to prevent future hair loss.
Products like Rogaine or Nioxin are both fine, and
there are many others. I recommend topical solutions
that you apply directly to your scalp, not pills you take
orally. Pill solutions like Propeica do work but have
way too many side effects for my taste. Do your
research, choose your option, and start using it daily.
No, these products will not re-grow lost hair despite
what the marketing says. What they will do is retard
the hair loss process and prevent or slow the loss of
future hair.
Also add vitamin B complex and vitamin B6 to your

daily vitamin intake. Vitamin B6 can help retard hair
loss and you must take B complex to absorb B6 into
your body.
2. Next, you need to keep a hair style that makes you

look the least balding. That essentially means you
have two options: a) shave your entire head like Jason
Statham or b) keep your hair reasonably long on the
top so most of your balding scalp is covered by the
longer hair.
The point here is keeping a reasonably short hairstyle

if you’re balding is your worst option and makes you
look the most “bald”.
3. Use products to reduce the balding look of your hair.

The absolute best one I can recommend is Nanogen
Nanofibres, a European product that is really amazing.
Google it and take a look. There are even videos
demonstrating it. I will usually use some of this stuff
on first dates and when I get my picture taken. It
really does make you look less bald without looking
weird. Take a look at it and if it looks good to you,
order a small bottle of it and try it out. It makes a
huge difference.
The ultimate solution to balding, until medical science

comes up with other options, is either A) elect to get medical
hair restoration surgery or B) use a hair mesh or hair
“matrix”.
Medical hair restoration is a surgical procedure where they

transplant individual follicles from the back of your head to
the top of your head. It is not hair plugs. I have several
personal friends who have had the procedure done and it
looks 100% natural; you cannot tell anything has been done
no matter how hard you look.
The downside? It’s very painful, extremely expensive, and a

massive hassle. It will cost you $5000 to $12000 to get it
done (depending on how badly you’re balding and who you
use). The recovery from the surgery is extremely painful.
You’ll be in serious painful discomfort for 10 days after the
surgery. In addition, your current hair will temporarily fall
out, so for a few weeks after the surgery, you’re going to
have to wear a hat or you’ll look like a mutant. However
like I said, after all that pain and expense, it does work.
A hair mesh or hair matrix (the most well known one is

“Hair Club For Men”) is where they shave the top of your
head but leave the sides, glue a very thin, porous mesh on
the top of your head with hair that’s been matched to yours.
Your hair then regrows, grows back through the mesh, and
combines with the mesh hair. It looks perfectly real, the
mesh never comes off, never blows off in wind, you can
swim with it, and women can touch your scalp and not tell
there’s anything there.
The downside? It’s expensive, though not quite as bad as

the surgery. A typical mesh will cost you about $1200.
Which is great, but you’ll need to go back in once or twice a
month to get your hair styled and the mesh constantly
adjusted. This can run you as much as $250 a month for as
long as you wear the mesh. (Yikes!) However my
understanding is this monthly cost includes all of your
haircuts and hair colorations, shampoo, conditioner, etc. So
if you factor that all in, it’s not as bad as it sounds. (I know I
spend at least $80 a month on haircuts, dying my hair, hair
products, etc.) I have also heard from guys who’ve had the
procedure done that the mesh can get a little itchy at times,
though these guys still rave about it and recommend it
highly.
Another slight downside is that a small number of people out

there can tell something has been done if they’re actually
looking for it and know what to look for. I’m talking about
people who’ve worked in Hollywood in the makeup
department or who’ve had the procedure done themselves.
But hey, that’s a really big “if”. I’ve seen guys with hair
meshes and I can tell you for a fact that not only can you not
tell they’ve had anything done, but often their hair actually
looks better and thicker than guys who’ve gotten the
restoration surgery (because some of those guys can still
have thinner-looking hair).
Here’s the bottom line if you’re balding. If you have darker

or more tanned skin and a reasonably trim face, you might as
well just skip all this crap and shave your head if/when you
get bald enough. Nothing wrong with that at all and for a lot
of guys it looks fantastic. However, for those of you who
are more chubby and/or lighter-skinned (like me), medical
hair restoration or a mesh may be the way to go. I’ve talked
to guys who have raved about both and recommend both
procedures. I myself will definitely have one of those done
very soon. (Haven’t decided which yet.)
Skin
Youthful, healthy-looking skin is the key to looking young.

Look at all the celebrity photos above. All those guys have
great looking skin, either because of makeup or because of
their skin regimen (or both). The better your skin, the better
your results will be with younger women.
Every man over the age of 35 who wants younger women in

his life needs to have a regular daily skin regimen to ensure
his skin looks healthy and youthful well into his old age.
A male skin regimen is made up of six components, applied

in this order:
1. An inexpensive oil-free facial cleanser, available at

any grocery store. Wash your face with this every
time you shower. (Which I hope is at least once a
day.)
2. A strong exfoliant to exfoliate your skin. Like the

cleanser, this doesn’t need to be fancy or expensive
and is available at most grocery stores. It should be
strong enough to actually feel the roughness on your
skin when you apply it. If you don’t, get a different
exfoliant.
You should exfoliate your face and neck about two to

three times a week, right after you rinse off your facial
cleanser. Don’t exfoliate every day; that’s bad for
your skin.
3. A good, expensive moisturizer with SPF protection.

Unlike the cleanser and the exfoliant, this stuff needs
to be good, expensive, high-quality stuff. You’ll have
to order this over the internet or buy it at a high-end
makeup counter or boutique. Make sure it’s highquality,
anti-aging moisturizer with built in UVA and
UVB protection from the sun. I use Clinique
Superdefense SPF 25, however your skin may be
different from mine. There are several types of skin
(dry, oily, combination, etc). Talk to a makeup/skin
expert and have them recommend a good SPF
moisturizer that works best for your type of skin.
Apply your moisturizer every day right after you get
out of the shower while your skin is still a little moist.
Make sure to get your entire face, forehead, entire
front of neck, and all over your ears (front and back).
4. A good, expensive eye moisturizer. The skin around

the eyes is different than the skin on the rest of your
face, thus it requires a completely different
moisturizer. I use Clinique All About Eyes, but again,
you may need something different based on your skin
type. Apply your eye moisturizer when you apply
your normal moisturizer. Make sure the get all the
skin around the far corners of both your eyes with this
as well, where the first wrinkles tend to form.
5. A normal, cheap moisturizer that has strong SPF

protection, available at most grocery stores. This is
for the backs of your hands and your elbows. Apply
this liberally to the backs of your hands, backs of your
fingers, and elbows right after your shower.
(Technically you should apply this to your knees as
well but I usually don’t. You can also apply this all
over your body, but again I usually don’t; I’m really
not concerned with getting wrinkles on my thighs or
back.)
6. Make sure you are eating plenty of protein. One of

the reasons women tend to wrinkle faster and more
heavily than men is women eat less protein. You need
to make damn sure your diet consists of lots of protein,
preferably full-chain protein like the kind found in
whey. Your skin needs protein!
If you do those five things daily plus keep protein in your

diet, you will be surprised how well your skin will start
looking after a few days. I was looking at some photos of
myself from about three years ago when I had just started
my daily skin regimen, and I was shocked at how much
better my skin looks now, as a man three years older!
More importantly, throughout your life your skin will age

extremely well if you get a head start on this early, as in your
30s like I did.
If you’re an older guy over the age of 45 and already have

obvious wrinkles, you will need to add two more items to
your skin regimen: AHA cream and retinol. The above items
focus on preventing future wrinkles; AHA cream and retinol
clean up and repair wrinkles that are already there. Your
usage of these two items completely depends on your own
skin; talk to a makeup/skin expert to get their advice on how
much and when to use these two items.
If you actually have sun damage on your face, as in strong

discolorations on your cheeks or forehead that are darker
than the rest of your skin, consider getting them removed if
they are large enough or dark enough. They can usually be
lasered off for less than $500. If they’re small don’t worry
about it (though on your next physical with your doctor I
would confirm they’re aren’t cancerous).
Body Hair Management
I go into the topic of body hair management in great detail in

Dating Women: Getting To Sex As Quickly As Possible.
I’m not going to repeat all of that here, however as an older
guy, you’re going to have more hair to deal with than the
younger dudes.
You need to make sure that you regularly address hair in

your ears and nose, on your back, the back of your neck,
backs of your hands, and tops of your feet and toes, if any.
How often depends on the person and how fast your hair
grows. I use two of those little personal groomer tools and
address my body hair once every two weeks. You may need
to do so more or less often, but the point is you NEED to do
this, regularly. Don’t slack off on your unattractive body
hair like most older men do! Women, especially younger

women, WILL notice and it can cost you some potential lays
and/or ongoing relationships!
The Bottom Line
There’s looking older and there’s looking old. Looking

older is good. Looking old is bad. Younger women are
attracted to older men. They do NOT want to fuck old men.
Get what I’m saying?
The bottom line to personal appearance in terms of gaming

younger women is dating a much older man is already a
stretch for her. You make this stretch “longer” and more
apparent if you look old. You want to avoid looking old and
focus on older as much as possible to make it easier for her
to say yes to you.
Chapter Six
Where And How To Meet Younger

Women
There are many places and contexts in which you can meet
younger women even if you have no younger women in your
normal day-to-day life.
I’m like most guys my age. I work in a business where the

vast majority of people are my age or older. Rarely are there
any hot 19 year-old girls in the places I work. My social
circle (outside of my seduction / dating life) is the same. It’s
mostly made up of middle aged married people, not young
hotties.
That means you’re going to have to go out of your way to

meet younger women. If you’re familiar at all with the
seduction community / dating industry already, I’m not
telling you anything you don’t already know, and perhaps
you may already have at least a basic handle on the different
ways and methods to meet women.
Whenever we talk about meeting women (of any age), we

have to talk about game styles. Every method of possibly
meeting and/or seducing a woman happens in one of four
different game style categories: daygame, night game, social
circle game, and online game. There may be a few more
categories you can think of but I’m betting they’ll all fall
into one of those primary four categories.
In this chapter I’m going to overview all four game styles in

terms of older men meeting much younger women. I’ll go
into detail regarding some of the styles in later chapters.
Your mission is to choose one style of game from the four

types and focus 100% on that style until you get good at
meeting younger women using that style. A common
mistake guys make is focusing on many (or all!) of the four
game styles at once.
No.
Pick one, focus on it, and get good at it. Then once you’re
getting laid all you like from that one style, if you still want
to try a new style, then go ahead. This is exactly what I did
and it’s the fastest way to get from “zero to good”.
Daygame
Daygame is where you meet women during the day in

normal places where one would not be expected to “pick up
chicks”. That would include the grocery store, mall,
bookstore, or even out on the street (“street game”, the
hardest type of daygame there is).
I have met and had sex with VYW using daygame, and did it
for a while until I shifted my focus completely to online
dating (“online game”). Daygame is a great way to meet
women, especially if staying up late in the evening is not an
option for you.
In terms of meeting younger women via daygame, there’s

really only one place you need to worry about: the local
mall. Almost every successful pickup I’ve had with a
younger woman via daygame was at a mall.
Second to malls, general downtown areas are also good,

especially during the summer months but year-round any
time after about 4:00pm on weekdays and noon on
weekends. You probably already know the general areas in
the city you live where younger people spend time. These
can be just as target-rich as your local mall, if not more so.
The downside to downtown daygame versus mall daygame

in terms of meeting VYW is that when “hanging out
downtown”, younger women will often be accompanied by
younger men. At the mall, this is often less of an issue.
We’ll be discussing VYW daygame in detail in chapters

eight and nine.
Night Game
Night game is meeting women during evening hours

(usually late evening hours) at dance clubs, bars, lounges,
and similar. This is the most popular style of “game” in the
seduction community / dating industry by far.
If you’re an older guy, I’m going to assume that night game

is not the ideal style for you for the reasons I’m about to
describe. I personally avoid night game for a number of
reasons, some of which may apply to you and some may not:
1. Successful night game, where you are actually getting

laid, usually requires you to stay out late into the
evening, well past midnight. The problem is, I work
the next morning. Staying out to 2am on a Tuesday
night in order to get laid when I have client meetings
the next morning is not a good idea for my financial
life (or overall life).
2. I’m too old for most night game venues. Once you hit
your mid 30s you’re going to start looking a little out
of place at most dance clubs. This becomes a hard

reality once you’re well into your mid 40s. The
exception would be if you’re a musician, celebrity,
movie producer, or other “personality”.
Am I generalizing? Sure. Is it possible to be a well

dressed, confident 49 year-old and walk into a club
and have sex with some 22 year old girl? Sure it is,
and I’ve seen things like this happen in larger, hipper
cities, especially if the man is really good-looking.
However in my opinion that’s still an uphill battle and
there are much easier ways to attract VYW into your
life.
3. I don’t like the club atmosphere. I hate the loud

music, big male sweaty bodies pressed up against me,
and drunk people screaming at me (happily or angrily
makes no difference to me) and the drunken morons
stepping on my feet or poking me with their elbows.
You may love the energy of the club atmosphere, and
if you do that’s great, but I can’t stand it.
Since I’m always dating VYW they sometimes drag

me to the clubs and I will go just to be nice guy, but
you’ll never seem me going to the clubs with the
objective to lay new women.
As you can probably tell, on the overall, night game (dance

club game in particular) is probably your lest effective route
to meet and lay VYW as an older man. I would not even
consider dance clubs an option if you are over age 35 unless
you are one of those usual exceptions I described above.
Bars and lounges are a little different, especially those that
don’t blast loud music. If you’re a guy who enjoys the
bar/lounge atmosphere, there is nothing wrong with using
those kinds of venues as a way to meet younger women. Of
course you’re only going to be dealing with women age 21

and older (usually!). But hey, if you manage to attract and
lay a cute 25 year-old you met at a bar, I have a feeling you
won’t be complaining.
For all of these reasons and many more, we won’t be going

into night game in detail as a specific style of game (nor do I
have sufficient experience in this area to render advice
anyway). However most of the techniques in this book set
can be applied to club game or (even better) bar/lounge
game if you choose to use those venues to meet VYW.
Social Circle Game
Social circle game is meeting and laying women you already

know or have recently met via other people you already
know. (“College game” would be one of the many subsets
of social circle game.) This style of game has huge
advantages as well as huge drawbacks.
The advantages are the women are right there. You don’t
need to “go out and get them” like with other game styles. If
you have a large social circle and/or you’re a very outgoing
social guy, you will often have new women coming into
your life, rather than you going to them. This is great.
The disadvantage is the women in your social circle already

know you, the good and the bad, or at least they will be close
friends with women who already know all of your dirty
laundry. This is a serious drawback, especially if you’ve
had any bad experiences or drama with other people in your
social circle (and almost always this is the case if younger
men or women are concerned).
My general advice for guys on social circle game is to treat

it in two stages.
Stage one would be the “bleed it dry stage”. This is when

you make a list of women and then use your skills to try to
have sex with every attractive unmarried woman in your
social circle except for those where it would be completely
inappropriate to do so.
Right after my divorce many years back, I made a list of

every fuckable woman I knew. Most of them were in my
own age group. Then I went to work. I was able to have sex
with almost all of them. It took me about eight months to
get to all of them and it was a hell of a ride.
The problem was at the end of those eight months and I had
exhausted my list, there were no other women to fuck.
Therefore, social circle game was no longer useful to me. I
had entered the second stage, the “forced growth stage”.
Once you deplete your social circle, you need to go out and
add new women to your social circle, or else you’re done. If
you have hobbies or work in an industry that constantly
supplies you with new attractive women, or if you’re
currently going to college or have a similar situation, than
that’s fine. Likely you’re not in any of those categories.
This means if you want social circle game to work, you need
to be constantly expanding your social circle. This is a topic
beyond the scope of this book.
However! There is one very effective way to get laid with

VYW constantly, using a certain type of social circle game,
and that’s “referral game”. It’s something you can do once
you’re in a relationship (even a casual one) with a VYW.
It’s so powerful and so important I’ve devoted an entire
chapter to it (chapter thirteen).
Online Game
If you’ve read my other books, you know its no secret that

most of the women I have sex with via cold approach is
using online dating. So much so that I have two ebooks
entirely devoted to the topic of online dating. This applies to
women of all ages, including VYW.
I have had sex with and established relationships with many

VYW over the years using online game. You should
strongly consider online game is a key source for VYW in
your life, unless you wish to focus on daygame (which is
also a good method).
Meeting and seducing VYW via online dating sites requires

a different tack than with older women. We’ll cover online
game with VYW in detail in the very next chapter.
Choose One
I’ll say it again. Pick ONE of these four styles and master it.
Unless you are already very pick-up experienced and know
how to get laid, don’t go crazy and try to do everything at
once.
Chapter Seven
Online Dating With Younger Women

First off, if you choose online dating as your main method of
attracting VYW into your life, you should get a copy of my
two online dating ebooks, How To Fill Your Calendar With
Dates Using Online Dating and Improve Your Online Dating
Results. I would also highly recommend Dating Women:
Getting To Sex As Fast As Possible since it’s directly
applicable to online dating once you get a girl out on a date
with you. All three of those books will show you exactly
how to get laid using online dating, and almost everything in
there applies to younger women as well. Almost.
What I’m going to cover in this chapter is the differences

between attracting VYW online as an older man vs. doing so
with women older than age 23 and/or closer to your own
age.
More Numbers Required
I can tell you for a fact after years of testing and tracking
online dating results, if you’re a man over age 30, as soon as
you start sending email openers to women age 18 to 23 your
response rates drop, sometimes greatly. This is also true if
you’re emailing women in their mid to late 20s and you’re a
guy in his late 40s or above (though the drop is not nearly as
bad).
This is normal and to be expected. Remember, 30% of the

VYW you’re emailing are type ones and are going to be
disgusted as soon as they see how old you are, no matter
how good you look or how cool your profile is. Another
50% are going to be type threes, most of whom are much

more likely to respond to guys their own age before, and
instead of, responding to you.
That leaves the 20% of type twos and small handful of the
type threes who are actually in your target market of
possibilities. And not all of these women are going to email
you back either, for various reasons.
Now don’t despair. I’ve had sex with lots women in this age
group, starting when I was 36 years old, using online dating
and you can too. All this means is that you will have to send
openers to more women in the VYW category than the other
categories in order to achieve results. As a man in my late
30’s, my personal response rate for women age 18 to 23 is
usually around 8%, sometimes as high as 19%. If you’re a
better looking guy than me or take better photos (both of
which are extremely possible), yours may be higher than
this. The good news is that as long as you send out a lot of
openers, this is more than enough women to work with.
Under normal conditions, I will send out 15 to 25 email

openers once or twice a week for a few weeks in a row in
order to get plenty of first dates. If I’m focusing 100% on
VYW, I raise this to 30 to 40 emails once or twice a week in
addition to shooting out some openers here and there to
women I see who are actually online at the time. My stats
have shown that response rates and profile view rates are
higher if you send openers to women who are online the
moment you send them, and VYW aren’t any different.
Bottom line, be prepared to send out more openers than you

are typically used to and expect lower response rates. It’s
normal and still very workable. Don’t let it concern you.
For you much older guys, as in guys in your mid 40s or 50s,
if the online approach seems too tedious or out of your reach
for women as young as 18 or 19, simply raise your target age

to 24 to 26 year-olds focusing purely on them (and going
slightly older if you like). I can tell you for a fact that
women in that age group have much less of a problem dating
guys in their late 40s or 50s than do legal teenagers. I
personally know several men age 50+ who have girlfriends
in their mid 20s, many of whom met them via online dating.
Ignore Negative Responses From The Type Ones
As we talked about back in chapter twp, the type ones who

receive your opener are going to be disgusted, perhaps even
angry. You are going to receive some negative responses
from some of these girls. “Dude what the fuck are you
thinking I’m 19!” and similar.
If you’re getting a response like that, she’s a type one. And

what do we do with type ones? Ignore them and move on.
Delete her email, don’t give it another thought, and keep on
sending out openers. Believe me, for every chick who sends
you a nasty response online there will be another one just as
young, just as hot, who’s going to be excited you sent her an
email.
Do not let the few negative responses you get sway you.
They’re type ones. They’re meaningless.
More Time Before Date Pitch
As you might imagine, being a much older man talking to

VYW online requires a little more care and a little more
hand-holding than with older women. Under normal
conditions, you want to qualify a new prospect online then
pitch the first date as fast as possible, since going into
conversation-mode online with a gal just raises the odds of
you suddenly not hearing from her ever again.
Online, this approach often does not work with VYW and
older guys, especially with the type three girls. You usually
will have to exert a little more care and a little less
forcefulness, even if the gal you’re talking to is a type two.
Of course, often you won’t even know which category she’s
in at this point, making all of this caution a little more apt.
The best way to do this, if you’re able, is to exchange three

or four messages then simply IM her on the dating site’s IM
feature. Have a very light conversation there for about 20
minutes or so, then lightly pitch the concept of meeting up
and hanging out.
The Younger Woman Transcripts ebook will show you

exactly what to do and not do when having IM conversations
with younger women online, with specific examples of how
I did it.
Low-Pressure First Date Venue
Do NOT use the word “date” when pitching or scheduling

the first meetup with a VYW online. At this point, you’re
not sure if she’s a type two or type three, and you don’t want
to push the envelope. Even if she’s a type two, you may be
the first older man she’s ever met in a dating context in her
life.
As I talk about in Dating Women: Getting To Sex As

Quickly As Possible, none of your first dates should be
actual “dinner dates”. Normally you want to meet up at a
cool bar for just 60 minutes, perhaps buy her a drink and
yourself one, then get the hell out of there and schedule the
second date where sex is going to occur.
With VYW, your first date needs to be even more casual and
low-pressure than that. Not to mention the fact that she’s
very likely going to be under the legal drinking age, which

precludes the possibility of meeting at a bar.
You need to frame it as not a “date” but just “hanging out”

and “having fun”. Very low-pressure. No big deal. Very
low-risk. Meeting up with a man on for the first time is
scary enough. Meeting up with an older guy is even scarier.
You need to make this as easy and as safe for her as
possible.
The majority of first-date locations for VYW that I had sex

with whom I met via online dating are/were malls, classy
delis, and bookstore coffee shops, in about that order of
effectiveness. If weather permits, outdoor parks also work
well, not only for first dates but for second dates too.
Malls are usually the best place to meet up with a VYW.

Malls are fun places to younger girls, but more importantly,
they are familiar places. You never have to twist a 19 year old
girl’s arm to go to a damn mall. Most girls this age live
there anyway.
The best place in the mall for a meet is the food court. The
second best would be at a bookstore coffee shop within the
mall. In either case you can even get up and walk around
with her a bit once you’re done talking.
Another extremely effective place for a first online date is a

classy deli. Not a standard deli, but a nice one. Check
around your local area for some nice delis. Sometimes
upscale stores like Nordstrom’s have small, quiet, classy
delis inside and these work very well.
The third best option would be your standard coffee shop

like Starbucks. Consider this your fallback option of a mall
or classy deli is unavailable to you. There’s nothing wrong
with coffee shops per se, but they don’t DHV you as much
as a mall or classy deli. Also, they tend to put more pressure

on her since a coffee shop isn’t quite as “fun” as a mall.
People are also getting to the point where they know that the
coffee shop is the “default” place for meeting on online first
dates. We want to avoid this stigma if at all possible.
Another good option for first or second dates, if you can

make it work is parks. I have had several first and second
dates with VYW at parks that have resulted in sex. Sounds
crazy, but trust me, it works. Of course, there are some
logistics involved with parks. The weather needs to be nice,
they can’t close to early if you’re there in the evening, you
don’t want them too crowded, etc. Regardless, they’re
certainly an option.
Odd Hours
Unlike older women, many younger women work or go to

school at odd hours and are often only available to meet at
late hours. I’ve had many first dates with VYW that were at
10pm, 11pm, sometimes even midnight. Be open to this,
because many women will want to meet you at those hours.
It will not be the norm, but younger women, VYW
especially, will ask you to meet up at odd times more often
than you might think.
My personal rule that I talked about back in chapter six, of

of “not having to stay out too late for sex” still applies. If
you keep the first date to under an hour (which if you’re
following my system you should be), meeting her at 11pm or
similar is usually no problem.
This also means you know of several convenient locations

that are open that late. Check around and make a note of at
least three different 24-hour restaurants in your general area.
That way, when that cute 19 year-old wants to meet up at
10pm tomorrow night but has no idea where, you’ll know
exactly where to go (and remember, late night bars are not

an option for women this young).
Social Networking
Younger women love, eat, and breathe Facebook. It’s the

blood that runs through their veins. Many of them are also
heavy users of Twitter, YouTube, Tumblr, Flickr, and
Formspring. If you have no idea what these things are you
need to get on the internet, learn, and get up to speed fast.
You don’t necessarily have to be a user of these services, but
you should be reasonably familiar with them. You do not
want to be a date with a hot 19 year-old and ask “What’s
Tumblr?”
A decent Facebook is an absolute must. Likely you already

have a Facebook page but if you don’t, make one right now
and start making it look good. Though it’s not in open use at
the time of this writing, getting on Google+ is also a very
good idea. MySpace is not mandatory but there are still
millions of VYW who still use MySpace and if you want to
go full-bore with this, having a decent MySpace is also very
important.
What do I mean by “cool” Facebook page? To summarize:
• You have many pictures on your page of yourself

doing interesting things. Travelling, having fun,
parties, outdoors, indoors, etc. The pictures should
DHV you.
• You have a wall that has lots of positive, funny,

witty comments from you with responses from your
friends, preferably hot women.
• You have at least 100 friends in your friends list.

Many VYW have over 700 friends, some have well
over 1000. If you have less than 100, it will look

strange. If you’re starting from scratch, send out
friend requests to absolutely everyone you know as
well as the people who know them. Getting to 100
Facebook friends isn’t very difficult.
One note I would add is, in my opinion at least, you

don’t want too many friends on your Facebook
page either (unless you are a public figure or have a
very public job). People are starting to figure out
that people with hundreds and hundreds of friends
on Facebook are often people with no real life.
You don’t want to be perceived that way. (As of
this writing I have about 170 Facebook friends and
I consider that just about right.)
This is not a book on how to have a cool Facebook page but

those guidelines above are 80% of it.
You should get into the habit of adding every VYW you
meet to your Facebook page, whether successful with her or
not. I have laid many VYW that I was initially unsuccessful
with but who I re-acquired later via Facebook. It’s an
invaluable tool.
Chapter Eight
Daygame With Younger Women -

Part One: Laying The Groundwork
Daygame is an extremely effective way to meet younger
women. Younger women have less ASD and less social
inhibitions than older women, and are often very pleasant to
talk to during cold approach, even to the point of playful,
even if they just met you.
I’ve had sex with several VYW just by meeting them at

malls or downtown areas. Later I decided to shift my focus
to mostly online dating (remember my advice earlier about
choosing just one style of game and getting good at it), but
meeting and laying VYW via daygame did work and
occasionally I still do it. These days I consider daygame a
supplement to my online game (since I’ve already mastered
meeting VYW via online game).
A quick aside here. Daygame is a huge topic that easily

warrants an entire book on its own (and there are many
books out there on it already). There are many different
ways to do it. This is not a book on daygame, this is book
on younger women and older men. Therefore, in this
chapter and the next, I will only be talking about daygame as
it applies to older man and VYW specifically. That means
meeting younger women in a non-creepy, fun way, getting
their Facebook information, then contacting them later for an
actual meetup. I’m not saying this is the only way older men
can bring much younger women into their lives via real-life
cold approach; I’m sure there are probably many others. I’m
saying this is the way that I know works.
Daygame Pros and Cons
Likely your style of choice is going to end up being either

online game or daygame. This is because, as I discussed
earlier, night game is not an option for most older men
seeking much younger women (however if you really want
to make a go at VYW night game, please don’t let me stop
you) and social circle game is usually not something that is
long-term sustainable.
Online game and daygame are both good. Though I prefer

online personally, daygame may make more sense for a lot
of guys. There are a pros and cons to each. Here’s a quick
rundown of the pro/con comparison between online dating
and daygame in terms of older men and younger women.
Pros of Daygame Over Online
• You get exactly what you want. When you approach a

woman via daygame, you see exactly how she looks in
real life. There is no approximations or guesswork
like there is with online game.
• You can establish rapport much more quickly. Many

guys are much more compelling in real life than online
with a profile. I am certainly in that category. If you
have a compelling look or personality or presence that
does not convey well over online, daygame is likely
the place for you.
• It’s more “fun” for more social guys. If you have a

more social personality type, daygame is going to be
much more enjoyable and less tedious for you than the
online stuff. Really extroverted guys often tend to
hate online game.
Cons of Daygame Vs. Online
• It’s more scary. It takes serious courage to walk up to

strange women and start running game. Many guys
can do it. Many guys can do it, but do it badly. Many
guys can’t, or refuse to learn. Online dating requires
very little of this type of courage since all you’re doing
is sending out emails.
• It’s not nearly as schedule-friendly. This is the main

reason why I chose online game over daygame years
ago. Online game you can do literally whenever you
want, at any hour of the day, anywhere in the world,
and you don’t have to go anywhere or even get dressed
or take a shower. Daygame, no. You have to get
ready and then go somewhere. You can only do it at
certain hours. Etc.
• It’s harder to put in large amounts of numbers very

quickly. I can sit down and email out 30 - 40 openers
to new women, all of whom I find attractive, and do it
in less than 60 to 90 minutes. I’ve never seen anyone
put in these kinds of numbers in such a small period of
time using daygame unless you’re literally a maniac
approaching every woman you see, including the ugly
and average-looking ones.
However, this disadvantage can be mitigated if you

don’t mind having sex with more average-looking
women or if your positive response rate from daygame
is extremely high because you’re such a compelling
guy. Once could argue that though the number of
openers is higher with online game, the response rate
will often be lower. So keep that in mind.
I’ll repeat that online game and daygame are both very good
ways to meet younger women. The choice you make is
going to be largely dependant on your personality, lifestyle,

and schedule. Choose one style to focus on and get good at
and consider the other styles something to occasionally dip
your toe into.
Consistent Focus
The big thing with daygame guys screw up on is that if you

want to get good at it, it’s not something you can just
randomly do whenever you feel like it. This kind of activity
level is for guys who are already very good at getting laid.
If you’re in the learning stages and daygame is your weapon
of choice, you need to make a concerted, constant effort.
It is my strong opinion that if you want to get results with

daygame, you need to be out there at least three times a
week, several hours at a time.
We’ll discuss the best times to do daygame in a minute, but

whenever you choose to do it, you must put “sarging” time
in your schedule, at least three times a week, and keep those
appointments with yourself just like you were meeting with
your boss or an important customer. You will not get good
at daygame by just doing it whenever you feel like it. When
I was focused on daygame I was out in the malls every other
day, even on days when I didn’t feel like it.
Best Times For Daygaming VYW
The best times and locales for meeting VYW during the day
are as follows.
Malls
Malls are hands-down the best places to meet VYW for

obvious reasons. Most of my VYW lays via daygame
resulted from a mall meet. I will still occasionally meet
women at malls in my normal day-to-day activities,

especially during the summer when younger women are out
of school.
There are VYW at malls at all hours the malls are open, but
the best times to go when there are the most to choose from,
thereby using your time the best, are these:
Non-summer months:
Tuesdays – Thursdays, 6:30pm-8pm
Saturdays – Sundays, 1pm-5pm
Summer months:
Tuesdays – Thursdays, 1pm-7pm
Saturdays – Sundays, 1pm-4pm
In addition, during the Monday to Friday weekday,

especially during summer months, the food court of the mall
will be jam-packed with women between noon and 1:30pm.
In malls that are large enough, often you can just work the
food court during the lunch hour and forget about the rest of
the mall.
Downtown Congregation Areas
Every downtown area has one or many areas where younger

people congregate. It could be a city park, city square or
similar. There will almost always be large amounts of
people hanging around, talking to friends, eating, or
shopping. As I describe this you’re probably already
visualizing where this place (or places) is in your city.
If you’re not aware of where this place is, I promise you
your city has one (or several), unless you live in a small
town. Ask around or drive around and find out where this
place is.
Best times to meet VYW at downtown congregation areas

are:
Non-summer months:
Monday – Thursday, 1pm–7pm.
(Why not weekends? Younger women are around, but often
they’re “away” on weekends doing something else.)
Summer months:
Any day of the week when the weather is good, any time
after 11am.
College Campuses
I have no personal experience in meeting younger women at

college campuses, but I know for a fact these are fantastic
places to meet them; other men I know have had much
success there.
The best places in campuses are college libraries at just

about any time of day and outside in college park areas,
especially when the weather is nice.
If this is an area of interest for you, it would behoove you to

pick the largest college campus near you and scout it out at
different times of the day and different days of the week to
get an idea for when the most women are available. In all
seriousness, you could make an entire daygame “career” at
just your local college campus.
Places Not Suitable For Concentrated Daygame Efforts
VYW are everywhere, but most places are only good for
occasional, on-the-fly daygame, not concentrated efforts.
Grocery stores fall into this category. Yes, there are often
really hot VYW at grocery stores, but they’re always with
their mothers or boyfriends. Think about it. How many

VYW do you know who like to go to grocery stores by
themselves or with girlfriends? You see my point. You
often see a similar dynamic in coffee shops and bookstores.
Daytime bars and restaurants with attached bars are fine and
these places are all great for meeting more professional-level
younger women, especially those age 24 to 27. VYW won’t
be there.
Chapter Nine
Daygame With Younger Women -

Part Two: How-To
You’ve determined where and when you’re going to enact
your VYW daygame efforts. Now it time to get crackin’.
Your Appearance
Review chapter five in this book and if you have it, chapter
seven in Dating Women: Getting To Sex As Quickly As
Possible, and check yourself from head-to-toe before you go
out. You need to look your best. This is not only important
for your odds of women being attracted to you, but for your
own confidence as well.
Your Mental Frame
Review chapter three and then do a conscious mental

checkup on yourself. Confident. Outcome Independent.
Funny. Relaxed. Non-needy. Non-creepy. Your frame
must be well defined and crystal clear in these areas or very
little of this will work for you.
Your Objectives For The Day
Before you leave your home, you must have clear objectives
for today’s daygame excursion. They must be defined in
terms of specific actions or results. Either is okay
depending on your level of daygame skill.
If you’re brand new at cold approaching women, younger or

otherwise, some valid goals would be the following:
• Say “Hi” to ten younger women who you find very hot,
even if they’re with friends.
• Start up at least two conversations.
If you are a little more experienced with cold approaching or

not experienced but are a more social or confident guy, some
valid goals for the day might be:
• “Pull the trigger” on at least two women by asking for

their contact information.
• Open at least three younger women whom you find

REALLY attractive. (Since often it’s easier to open
women you consider uglier or average-looking.)
Once you get the hang of this, or if you’re already

experienced with cold approaching women in general, your
goal should be something like:
• Do not leave the mall until you have three phone numbers
or emails or Facebook addresses from younger women.
• Do not leave the mall until you’ve had at least three

quality conversations with younger women, including
kino.
You get the point. What you do not want to do is “just go

out and meet women”. That’s not an objective. It’s much
easier to waffle when your “goal” is to just “go out and talk
to people”. If this is your scheduled daygame time, you
need practice, progression, and (eventually) results. Even if
your goal is to just say “Hi” to 10 hot girls, that’s better than
a “goal” just “going out to talk to people”.
The Opener
There is a hell of a lot of written in the seduction community

/ dating industry about openers and pickup lines. Frankly,
guys make way too much out of it.
The best way I’ve found to open women during daygame is

either:
1. Ask her a question about something she’s wearing. It

can be clothing, shoes, jewelry, a hat, whatever.
Or
2. Ask her a question about whatever it is you’re both

looking at in the store.
These two things are simple, straightforward, natural, and

non-threatening. No silly pickup lines or technique. I have
had sex with many VYW by just asking about the barrette in
her hair or about the sunglasses we were both looking at in
the store.
What I typically do is play “fashion dumb”. I’ll ask “newb”

questions about female fashion. Which is easy since I really
don’t know much about it.
Examples:
“Where did you buy that hat?”
“Is that hair tie made out of silk?”
“So, how can you tell which of these sunglasses are for men
and which are for women?” (I’ve used this one many times.
It always starts a funny conversation, namely because most

sunglasses are unisex.)
<hold up two hair clips> “Hey, I need a woman’s opinion.

The brown one or the black one?“
“Those shoes are funky. Where did you get them?”
You get the point. These openers aren’t fancy. They may
even sound stupid. That’s why they work. They’re very
non-threatening (something you need to keep in mind as an
older guy talking to a VYW). Also, women love to talk
about clothing and love to help “clueless” guys out about
these things.
The Conversation
Years ago I used to use a lot of canned techniques in my

conversations during daygame. Over time I learned that just
having a normal conversation was just as effective in terms
of actually getting laid. So I don’t really do canned routines
any more. I just have a brief conversation, get her contact
information, and leave.
The best way to do this is to talk for about a minute on

whatever clothing topic you started in your opener, then
make an observation about her. Start with the words “You
seem…”.
“You seem really happy. Is it your birthday or something?”
“You seem very educated. Are you in college?”
“You seem pissed. Did you get in a fight with your BFF
today or something?”
Then just roll into a very casual, fun, brief conversation.

Remember your frames from chapter three. Remember to be
confident, outcome independent, non-needy, and most
importantly, non-creepy!
Also, be as relaxed as you can and be funny. Make sure she

laughs, at least a little, several times in the conversation.
The Contact Close
You only need to talk for perhaps one or two minutes. Of

course, if she seems fun and into you, talk longer. But you
don’t need to, so don’t feel like you do.
Once she’s laughed a few times or it’s clear from her body
language that she likes you or is comfortable with you, it’s
time to get her contact info and get out of there. All you
need to say is something like “Hey, I’ve got to go. Are you
on Facebook?” If she’s a VYW, of course she’ll say yes. (If
you are outside the United States, use whatever popular
social networking site women use in your area.) When she
says yes, just say “Cool. What’s your email on there?”
Then just put it in your phone, or write it down, or whatever.
Lastly, smile big and say something like “It’s been nice
meeting you. You’re very different.” Then leave.
Boom, done. Nothing fancy or whiz-bang.
There may be times asking for her number to text her may
be better than asking for her Facebook. Conversely you can
skip the whole Facebook thing and just ask for her email.
Anything works, but I’ve found that Facebook is the least
dangerous and most “fun” option for VYW. Feel free to
experiment and do what you are most comfortable with.
The Half-Routine
Daygame, like all forms of game, is a numbers game. Most

of the younger women you contact close will never respond
to you in any meaningful way. This is normal.
Once you get comfortable with meeting women this way,

there are several techniques to raise the odds that when you
get back to her (Facebook or text or email or whatever)
she’ll actually respond to you. It’s what I call the “half
routine”. It’s an old technique that started with the oldschool
pick artist Style. It’s one of those more canned
routines that I avoid these days, but I have used this myself
and it’s still very effective (sometimes the oldest techniques
work best).
Years ago when Style was teaching this stuff, guys would
complain that they could get phone numbers, but women
would never call them back. Style said that this was because
they never gave her a compelling reason to talk to them
again. They were just being a fun guy, and often this is not
enough. It’s better if she has a specific reason to contact you
again, beyond you being cool or attractive or funny.
One of the easiest ways to do this is to run a routine on her,

but only run the first half of it. Halfway through, you’ve
“gotta go” and you contact close her to “continue the rest
later”.
The actual routine doesn’t matter. It can be the running

patterns, “The Cube”, reading her palm, “The Lying Game”
(Google these routines if you want more info on them), or
even just something simple like saying “I need to tell you
something I just noticed about you. But I need to go, I’ll
have to tell you later.”
Whatever. Stop midway, ask for her

Facebook, and tell her you’ll continue this with her later.
This really, really works well with younger girls. The point
is you give her a reason to hear back from you. If she has a
reason, the odds of you getting a response when you contact
later go way, way up. Often she will be texting you to
“Hurry up and tell me what you were going to tell me!”
Hired Guns
“Hired guns” is the term used for women who actually work
at the establishments you daygame in. If you see a cute 20
year-old working behind the counter at the lotions kiosk, do
you talk to her and get her contact info?
My general answer is yes provided you will not be hitting

that exact same location again often at that same time of day.
For example, if you hit up the cute girl at the sunglasses
store at the mall, and things don’t go well (or they do go
well but you never hear from her when you friend request
her, or whatever), then when you’re back there a few days
later daygaming again, well, things might be a little
awkward for you.
If it’s clear this is not going to happen or it’s clear you will
not be at her exact location again soon, then yes, go ahead
and hit her up! Often these girls are much more easy to talk
to since that’s what they’re trained to do. Plus, many times
these girls are really, really bored and are dying to talk to
someone.
Bonus Technique: Want a really easy, stupid way to talk to

cute girls at a mall and get phone numbers? Go into the
makeup sections of large stores, ask for some man-makeup,
and sit in one of those makeup chairs and have them put
some of that crap on you. While she does it, talk her up and
get her contact info. This is a great way to practice talking
to women especially if you are new at this. Back when I
was new to daygame I used to do this all the time. I got a lot
of good practice as well as some email addresses and phone

numbers.
In Closing
Obviously I’m just scratching the surface of daygame here.

I’m just covering the basics in terms of older men talking to
younger gals in a daygame setting. If daygame is your
method of choice for meeting VYW, it would behoove you
to research the topic of daygame further, keeping in mind
that regardless of what you learn, you need to keep the older
man / younger women frames of confidence, outcome
independence, non-neediness and non-creepiness.
Chapter Ten
First Dates and Day2s

In this chapter we’re going to talk specifically about what to
do and not do when you actually have a VYW away from
her friends and right in front of you, either on a first date or a
“day2”, meaning the second time you hang out with her after
meeting her in person for the first time.
In Dating Women: Getting To Sex As Quickly As Possible I

go over the first date in detail, however this chapter I’m
going to focus on the differences you will have to be aware
of when face-to-face with a VYW vs. a woman closer to
your age.
It should be no surprise by now that I’m going to tell you to

review chapter three for the key frames to keep in mind and
chapter five to make sure you look your best. If you look
dumpy, or old, or nerdy, you’re going to lose major points.
If you’re acting needy or creepy, you’re out, no matter how
good you look. Make sure you have both areas covered as
best as you are able before you meet up with her.
The Location
As we talked about in chapter seven, you’re going to have

your first dates at either a mall, classy deli, coffee shop, or
park. The point is to keep the location casual and lowpressure.
If she’s legal drinking age, a cool bar is also a fantastic place
to meet her. Not a restaurant, a bar. A bar attached to a
restaurant is fine as long as you make damn sure you and her
hang out in the bar area, NOT the restaurant area where the
tone will be more “date-like”.
Make sure the bar is cool and not rowdy. Not a crappy bar,
and not a loud sports bar. It should be a cool, modern bar.
The cooler the better.
The First Three Minutes
Unlike other women you’ve met up with on a date, the

younger woman you’re about to meet up with will likely be
very nervous during the first few minutes especially if she’s
a VYW. This is normal and you need to expect this. More
importantly, you need to diffuse this nervousness in her as
fast as possible. If all she’s thinking about how nervous she
is, she will not be thinking about what a great guy you are,
and you two aren’t going to get anywhere.
The best way to reduce or eliminate her nervousness is to do

two things:
1. Don’t be nervous yourself. Yes, I realize that’s easier

said than done, especially if you’re new to this stuff.
You still need to put yourself into a frame of mind
where you are as relaxed as possible. Make sure your
mind is clear. Make sure you’ve had plenty to eat and
have drank plenty of water before the date. Make sure
you’ve had a good eight hours of sleep the night
before (that’s important!). Make sure you are walking
tall and straight, and are dressed in a way that builds
your confidence.
If you’re still feeling nervous after all of that, but a big

dumb smile on your face and hum your favorite song
to yourself as you walk to the date location. Yes it
sounds dumb, but it works.
Most importantly, you need to get into your head that

this is just one girl in a ocean full of girls who would
love to meet you and be with a man just like you. If it
works with her, great. If not, that’s great too, since it’s
just more practice for when you meet the next one.
Say to yourself: It’s no big deal. Because guess what?

It isn’t.
2. As soon as you meet her, act like you’re already old

friends. I really mean this in a literal way. Just say
“Hey” and start right in talking to her like you’ve
known each other for a year. When you read the
Younger Woman Case Studies book, you’ll see how
often I do this and how amazingly effective it is. If
you do this, you will be shocked at how well it works.
You’ll see her tense body language relax in a matter of
minutes. I do with on first dates with VYW all the
time and it works every single time. Fast.
This means your tone of voice is like that of a casual

friend, not a stranger meeting her for the first time.
This means your body language is relaxed, almost
lazy. This means you’re not saying things like “Hello.
How are you?” because that’s not what friends say to
each other. I hope you get this because it’s key.
Just say “Hey”, sit down, and start talking.
The faster she gets comfortable with you, the higher odds of
you laying her. It’s a one-to-one ratio. Women simply can
NOT have sex with men they aren’t comfortable with no
matter how attractive they may be, and this goes double for
VYW and older men.
Dialog
In terms of what VYW like to talk about, I’ve found there

are two distinct types of girls: “shallows” and “singulars”.
Shallows are girls who talk about vacuous stuff for hours on
end. These are the girls who will spend 20 minutes talking
about their hair, like the gal I talked about back in chapter
one. They love to talk about things like music, famous
people, parties, makeup, getting drunk, and hot guys. Deep
topics bore them quickly.
That does not necessarily mean shallows are dumb, though

some are. Many of them are extremely intelligent with high
IQs and even higher social intelligence. It just means they
like to discuss a wide array of shallow topics that directly
impact their lives as younger women.
Shallows tend to be fun, fast talkers. They switch topics

often and laugh a lot. The best thing to do with a shallow is
to just let her talk (which frankly you should do with all
women on a first date). Stay upbeat and match her vocal
tonality and speed. Be funny and make her laugh a lot,
which should be easy. Don’t try to get her into any superdeep
conversations about any deep topics. Keep the
conversation fun and light.
Singulars are very different. Singulars are VYW who have

one “key” issue that they love to get very deep into. Every
singular has a different “topic” they will talk about for hours
and hours on end. It could be relationships, or it could be
fantasy novels, or it could be acting, or it could be travel…it
could be one of many things. Whatever it is, that’s her
“thing”, and she’ll love to talk about it forever and get
deeper into it than you ever thought possible.
Singulars tend to be more moody, shy, and quiet than

shallows. They also tend to be very smart. It’s much easier
to engage in a conversation with a singular since she’ll
automatically focus on her one topic. However, you’d better
be on your toes, because if she senses that you’re not as
smart or perceptive as her, she’s going to disqualify you as
“not my type”. That doesn’t mean you need to know
anything about her topic (though if you do you’ll score some
major points and increase the odds of a lay significantly).
You just need to demonstrate that you’re an intelligent guy
with some deep thoughts.
Talking About Sex And Relationships
One of my core, tried-and-true techniques is I always

eventually start talking about sex and relationships on a first
date and with younger women this is no different. The
easiest way to do this is to just ask her about her last
boyfriend, assuming she doesn’t bring it up on her own
which she likely will.
Do not be surprised at the immature or even stupid situations

she describes to you about her past relationships. She’s a
younger woman and this kind of stuff is part of her
experience. She may go on and on complaining about
something that was clearly her fault or something very minor
in a past relationship. Conversely, she may tell you about
how inexperienced she is, and that she’s (for example) only
slept with one man in her entire life. Either of these kinds of
extremes are possible, so be prepared for them and don’t let
them phase you.
No matter what you hear, never get on a high horse and

disparage her about anything she tells you unless you’re
clearly being sarcastic (and are very comfortable with
sarcasm…otherwise skip it). As always, just relax and go
with the flow and keep her talking.
Kino
It’s important that you touch her. Her hands, her arms, her
hair, even her legs and her face if you can. As you’re talking
together, either just touch her hands or even tell her “Give
me your hand for a second”.
Remember, VYW have far, far less ASD than any other
women out there and are also extremely complaint in the
face of a confident older man. She will comply with your
requests to touch her hands, arms, etc. Sometimes I will
even say “lean over a little” and then I will touch her hair.
Men don’t realize that hair is a huge erogenous zone for
women. Touch it!
Don’t Kiss!
I’ve you’re not already familiar with my dating system, the

basic structure is to meet up on a quick and casual first date,
keep the date to an hour or less, then meet up on the second
date and go right to having sex as quickly as possible. I
have had sex with numerous women of all ages and have
been doing this for many years. It works. It works just as
well for younger women.
If you’re the kind of guy who is experienced in doing

“SNLs” or Single Night Lays where you have sex right on
the first date, that’s fine and you’re welcome to go for it, but
that’s not the system I teach. I have an extremely high
success rate for having sex with women on the second date,
and this includes VYW.
This system means that on the first date, you talk about
relationships and sex, you kino her, but you do NOT kiss her
or get sexual beyond basic touching. This is doubleimportant
for much younger women and older men. When
she walks away from your first date together you want her
excited to be with you again, not regretting that she “just
kissed a guy she doesn’t even know!”.
Are there exceptions to every rule? Sure. There have been a

small handful of VYW I did make out with on the first date
who I later laid on the second (or sometimes third) date. If
you start dating a lot of VYW, eventually you’ll probably
run into one or two where the sexual fires are white-hot
between you from the very beginning. However the vast
majority of VYW I’ve had sex with had sex with me on the
second date after a first date of no kissing. It’s a very
reliable, repeatable system.
So don’t kiss her on the first date unless it’s clear she’s
begging for it. When the date is over, give her a big hug and
tell her you’ve got to run but you’ll text her later.
For the second date, tell her you’re going to hang out at your
place. That is where you’ll have sex. Because of the utter
lack of ASD, you’ll be surprised how fast and how easily it
happens.
If she balks at meeting up at your house for the second date,

just meet somewhere close to your house so you can drive
her there afterward. On the second date, this “no-kiss” stuff
does not apply. On the contrary, you should not only kiss
her but do your best to get as far as you can (ideally, to sex).
Younger women have so little ASD, you’ll be surprised how
easy it is, especially if you’re used to dating women over age
30.
Chapter Eleven
Specific Techniques For Type Threes

Type twos, assuming you follow the advice in this set of
books, are going to be a slam dunk for you once you get the
hang of this.
Type three girls are a little more tricky. The process of

getting to sex with type three girls is a little more delicate.
What I’ve always recommended to older guys to get started
with type two girls first, and quickly weed out the type ones
and the type threes. Once you get good with the type two
girls, the type threes aren’t really that much more difficult,
but tackling a type three girl when you’ve had limited
success with even type twos is going to be very difficult.
Overall, type threes will be less raring to go that the type

twos. That means you must be less aggressive with type
threes and allow the seduction to take (a little) more time.
This is normal and natural for the type threes. I have had
sex with many type three VYW and they are no less
“difficult”, just the your approach must be a little more
tender.
Less Aggressive Kino
With type twos, you can kino quickly, just like any other
woman, and she’ll love it. However with many of the type
threes, super aggressive, super sexual kino will scare them or
creep them out.
As I said way back in chapter one, under normal conditions

this kind of sexual aggressiveness is good, and most guys
have a problem with not being aggressive enough, but not if
you’re an older guy dealing with a type three.
I’m not saying you don’t kino at all. I’m saying you a) delay
the kino slightly, and b) keep the kino less overtly sexual in
the beginning.
As you’ll see when you read the Younger Woman Case

Studies book, there are some type threes where there was
minimal or even zero kino or kissing before the actual
clothing came off! Sounds odd I know, but you’ll get a
much better feel for this once you read that book.
More Time Meet-To-Lay
As you probably already know, I teach a two-dates-to-lay

system. With type threes and older men, you may very well
be looking at three dates before that lay, sometimes even
four if you’re new at this.
This is normal and often necessary. You are doing

something far outside her comfort zone here so you need a
little more time to get her comfortable. Expect this and
don’t be surprised by it.
Do NOT use this as excuse to keep dating any woman, of

many age, past three or four dates without any sex! As I talk
about in detail in my seduction ebook, going on dates with a
woman past about the third date where sex has not taken
place is one of the biggest no-no’s in the book. All it does is
waste your time and reduce the odds of you ever getting to
sex with her. Younger women are no different in this
respect! Some cases, they’re worse! No dates past about the
third or fourth date with no sex, or at least no clear sexual
activity.
Make It Normal
This is a very effective technique for laying type three VYW

that I stumbled upon completely on accident several years
ago.
If you make it clear to a type three that other VYW in her

family or social circle have fucked an older guy and enjoyed
it, she will be much more comfortable with the concept.
So, it’s up to you to educate her. If she has any female
friends, acquaintances, coworkers, or family members who
are younger and have dated or fucked much older men and
had a good time with it, you need to let her know and remind
her.
The first three I ever had sex with a type three was the 18
year-old Asian girl I talk about briefly in chapter five of the
Younger Woman Case Studies book. Her close friend was
dating me and loving it, and heard nothing but good things
about how “older men are better” from her. So although she
was a hardcore type three, laying her wasn’t a big problem.
(This is also a textbook example of younger woman referral
game we’re going to talk about in chapter thirteen).
However you do not need to go to this extreme. I’ve

executed this method various ways, including:
1. Asking her questions about other women in her family

who might have dated or married much older men to
positive results, then had her expound upon it to me.
Not to educate me, but to her herself say it.
2. Show her other friends or acquaintances she knew of,

even if they were distant Facebook friends, who had
dated (or are currently dating) an older man and are

happy with it.
3. Get her to think back on an experience in her history

where she knew a younger woman with an older man.
This technique is not a cure-all. It will not change her mind
or make her do a 180 and suddenly make her fuck you or
transform her into a type two. It’s just an effective way to
nudge her in the proper direction.
Ongoing Relationships Are Unlikely
I’m sad to say this, but as an older man, but carrying on a

relationship that lasts longer than about a month or two with
a type three VYW is unlikely. There are always exceptions
to every rule of course, but the majority of the time, once she
has sex with you for a while, even if she enjoys it, she will
eventually return to dating men her own age. The concept is
just too far out of her comfort zone. Societal norms are just
too important to her.
Now don’t cry. It’s not all bad. Here’s some of the good
news.
1. Like I said, there are exceptions. You might get lucky.

I just wouldn’t plan on it.
2. If you follow the open relationship techniques in my

open relationships ebook, it is easily possible to get
type three VYW to keep coming back to you sexually,
sporadically, for years and years via LSNFTEs. I’m
just saying consistent relationships with type threes are
unlikely, even monogamous ones.
3. Long-lasting relationships with type twos are not only

likely, but very easy to do. More on this in the
following chapter. Remember, type twos should be

the mainstay of your younger women diet anyway. I
consider type threes as a bonus. You should too.
Chapter Twelve
Ongoing Relationships With Younger

Women
Relationships is a big topic. Open relationships or
monogamous relationships, serious relationships or FB-only
relationships…an entire book, or even series of books, could
be written about any one of these topics. Clearly I’m not
going to tackle all of that here in this one single chapter.
I have already written an entire book about open

relationships, and I blog often about relationship techniques,
usually from the point of view of open relationships. So I’m
not going to attempt to repeat all of that here. Instead, this
chapter is strictly regarding having an ongoing relationship
with a much younger woman from the standpoint of the
older (over age 30) man. First we’ll cover the positives, then
we’ll cover the negatives, and lastly we’ll cover how
younger women operate in the four different relationship
types.
The Positives
In no particular order, here are the good things about
younger woman, particularly VYW, in ongoing
relationships.
1. Extremely flexible. I don’t mean they’re physically

flexible during sex (although many definitely are!). I
mean that in your relationship with her, she will be
extremely flexible regarding your lifestyle and who
you are. Work odd hours? She’ll work around it.
Already have kids? She doesn’t care. Don’t have a lot

of money? Doesn’t bother her a bit. You’re
emotionally distant, or an asshole, or cheat on her?
She’ll make it work. (Not that those are good things,
or things I recommend, but the point is she’ll work
around them.)
No matter who you are, the problems you might have,

or the odd life you might lead, she will work with you
on it. All she wants is to be with you. She doesn’t
have this massive checklist of boyfriend/husband
“must-haves” that older women constantly operate
under. It’s very nice.
2. Pleasers. Younger women, most of them anyway, are

constant pleasers. They want to make you happy.
They want to do what you like. They want to make
you dinner. They want to clean your kitchen or
babysit your sister’s kids.
Yes, older women sometimes do this to, but only in

the beginning and even then it’s sporadic. With most
older women (especially those over age 33 or so) this
“pleasing” is only a temporary phase before they
downshift into betaization mode. Younger women
will (usually) always remain pleasers, throughout the
length of the relationship (even if they attempt to beta
you later).
3. Highly compliant. Tell your 35 year-old girlfriend,

nicely, that you think it would be great if she cleaned
your house. Watch the reaction you get. I promise
you it won’t be a positive one. If you don’t believe
me, just try it.
Now tell your 20 year-old girlfriend the same thing.

Her reaction will range from neutral (“Sure. Maybe
next week.”) to giddy excitement (“Okay! You don’t

have any cleaning products here so I’ll bring some
over from my house!”)
Younger women have much less of this “don’t tell ME

what to do!” stuff than older women.
4. Constant happy, upbeat demeanor. One of the first

things you notice about younger women, particularly
VYW, as you start dating them is how they always
seem happy. Even if they’ve had a bad day or fought
with their girlfriends or their mom or their boss, by the
time they see you they’re smiling, happy, laughing,
and joking around as if nothing happened. This is a
far cry from the often stressed-out, touchy,
complaining demeanor older women are often prone
to.
This near-constant happiness is in my opinion one of

the greatest advantages of dating much younger
women over women your own age. It really makes a
guy’s life an enjoyable one. Try it and you’ll see what
I mean. I’m sure you’ll love it as much as I do.
5. Higher tolerance to open relationships (or, if you’re

that kind of guy, cheating). Not only do most
younger women not mind if you play around, often
you can use them to assist you in fucking other
women. (We’ll talk about exactly how to do this in
the next chapter). Talk about a huge advantage!
The Negatives
I’ve actually devoted a chapter to the problem areas of

younger women (chapter fifteen). I’ll describe two quick
minor ones that weren’t “big” enough to include in that
chapter.
1. She will love the music you hate. Oh lord. This may
not sound like a big deal, but man, if you hate Top 40
music as much as I do, you’re going to really have to
steel yourself if you want younger women in your life.
If she’s under the age of about 27, she’s going to love
Top 40 music (or worse) and will constantly be
listening to that crap.
You have been warned.
2. Whining. VYW whine. It’s not drama, it’s not any

big deal, and as soon as you glare at them they’ll
usually stop, but they’ll do it. Sometimes I will get
VYW complaining to me that I have to work (and thus
not spend time with them) on, for example, a Tuesday
afternoon at 2pm. “OMG you have to work??? That’s
bullshit, just hang out with me!”
Maybe they don’t have a job. Maybe they have a job

but have Tuesday off. It doesn’t matter. If she wants
to spend time with you and you have to work, even if
it’s during normal work hours, she will put up with it
(as I described at the beginning of this chapter) but
there will be a little whining. Stay strong and it
dissipates fast.
(By the way, here’s a little pop quiz. Do you think

that logically explaining to her that “normal people
work on Tuesdays at 2pm” is going to work? What do
you think?)
VYW In The Different Relationship Types
As I’ve described in detail in my other writings, there are

four types of relationships. A quick review:
FB – A fuck buddy or friend with benefits. You just have

sex, that’s it. No “dating” or romantic feelings.
WD (or MLTR) – A woman you do have romantic feelings

for, but have not promised monogamy to. You can fuck and
romantically date other women as well.
LTR – A serious girlfriend (or wife) you are monogamous

with.
OLTR – A serious girlfriend (or wife) you’re in an open

relationship with. You can both have sex with other people
provided they’re just FBs and it’s “just sex”.
I’m going to tackle each relationship type in regards to older

men and younger women.
FBs
Younger women make fantastic FBs. Their almost complete

lack of ASD, their zest for life, their lack of relationship
rules, all of these things are 100% conducive to FB
relationships.
Two caveats to this.
First, many younger women tend to get oneitis faster than

older women. Just because she’s an FB and fully
understands it doesn’t mean she won’t start falling in love
you with hard. It can and will happen. Women in their mid
20’s in particular are notorious for lecturing guys about how
“This is only sex, okay? We’re not dating okay? You’re not
allowed to start liking me, okay?” only to start getting
serious romantic girlfriendish feelings for the guy just a few
weeks after saying those very words. Be aware.
Second, just like women of all ages, younger women do not

like other people referring to them as a “fuck buddy” or
“friend with benefits” even if they themselves admit that’s
what they are. They can call themselves these things, but you
can’t. Never, ever refer to a woman as a “fuck buddy” or
“friend with benefits” even if she’s called herself that. (I
know that makes no sense. Women don’t make sense.)
When you’re pressed and you have to actually verbalize
what she “is”, she’s your “close friend”.
WDs / MLTRs
A WD is a woman you’re actually dating and do like more

than just a fuck buddy. However you haven’t made any
commitments to her yet, you’re not monogamous, and can
still be with other women, even romantically.
An MLTR is the same thing except you pretty much never

have the intention of being monogamous with her, ever,
regardless of how serious the two of you get.
I have had many WDs and MLTRs of all ages, from 18 yearold
girls all the way to women in their early 40’s. There
really is no difference to MLTR management with younger
women vs. older women. I racked my brain, went back
through my notes, racked my brain some more, and I really
can’t think of a single difference (other than the possible
faster oneitis on her end we’ve already talked about).
Surprisingly, younger women’s sense of timing about when

things are “casual”, when things are “dating” and when
things should “start to get serious” really are about the same
as women of older ages.
Refer to How To Create And Maintain Open Relationships

With Women for more information on MLTR management.
Everything in there applies to younger women and VYW.
LTR
As you’re already aware if you’ve read my other writings,

monogamy is not something I endorse or practice, for a
myriad of reasons I’ve written about in detail elsewhere.
Therefore I can’t give you a lot of first-hand experiences of
younger women in monogamous relationships. All I can do
is relate what I have seen when other older men get
monogamous younger girlfriends.
The first issue is that of children. Younger women want

kids. If they’re in a serious relationship with you, they’ll
want them with you. That doesn’t mean they’ll want them
immediately, but it does mean they’ll expect them from you
eventually. If you already have kids she won’t mind, but
she’ll still expect you to have more. With her.
Having kids, the decision to have them, or more of them, is

obviously far beyond the scope of this book. What’s most
important is that you as a man make a solid decision as to
whether or not to have kids, and under what conditions you
will have them (or more likely, more of them).
As you already know, I do not endorse lying to women.

Therefore I do not endorse the concept of stringing women
along, promising that you’ll have babies with her “some
day” when you know damn well that you won’t. Once
you’re dating and things look like they may move in a
serious direction, Tell her flat out that you want more babies,
or that you don’t, or that you could but only under certain
conditions. Don’t lead women on.
The most important point here is that you need to expect in

advance that any younger woman in your life beyond the FB
level are going to want to have babies with you.
Vasectomy
All of this talk of babies necessitates a quick segue into the

topic of vasectomies. Most older women, particularly the
ones who’ve already had two or more children, love guys
with vasectomies, and you’ll do very well with older women
when you advertise you’ve had the procedure done.
However, there is a hard fact of life regarding younger

women that you’re going to have to come to terms with, and
it is this: If you tell a younger woman you have a
vasectomy, she’s gone. Very few younger women are going
to stick around with a guy who’s had a vasectomy even if
they only intend for the guy to be an FB. That doesn’t mean
they’re trying to get a baby “on accident” from you (though
some are). It’s because of their intense biology, Disney
fairytale desires, and woman-logic. A younger woman will
always want the option of having babies with a man she is
having sex with, and if you tell her on the first date (or
whenever) that you can’t have children, she’ll out of there so
fast a gust of wind will follow her out of the Starbucks.
I’ve slept with many VYW where literally the only question
they asked about me prior to having sex was whether or not I
wanted to have more children. Even if you answer “no”, if
they know you haven’t had a vasectomy, they’ll often
rationalize it and fuck you anyway (“Oh, I can change his
mind!”) But if you tell them you can’t have kids, the odds
of her sticking around are very, very low. This is a major
deal breaker for most younger women.
If you haven’t had a vasectomy, you have nothing to worry

about. If you haven’t had one but plan on getting one, this is
something you’ll need to consider. (Even though I’m likely
done having children, I made the decision several years ago
to never get a vasectomy, for many reasons. You’ll need to
make your own decision.)
If you’ve had vasectomy, you’re in a tough spot. When she

asks about future prospects of kids, you’ve got three options:
1. Lie and tell her you’re able to have more kids. I do

not endorse or recommend lying to women, for any
reason, but it’s your life and it’s certainly an option.
2. Tell her the truth, and be ready for any consequences.
3. Tell her you’re ready to get the procedure reversed

immediately and want to have more kids. Again, I
would only tell her this if there’s some truth to it.
Stating this will work. It will be enough for her to
rationalize being with you. Just remember if the two
of you actually end up dating, she’ll hold you to your
promise. (Rightly so.)
OLTR
Over the last few years there has been one particular girl in
my life who has essentially been an OLTR (“Tiffany” as I
discuss in the Younger Women Case Studies book). She has
not quite been an OTLR, but damn close. I also know a few
older men with much younger women OLTRs and their
experiences have very similar to mine.
When a younger woman becomes your OLTR, or close to it,

or begins to sense it, because you’re behaving that way
(hopefully in a correct fashion like I talk about in my open
relationships ebook), her Disney fairytale desires or going to
go on overdrive. She’s going to talk about moving in
together, getting married, having babies (unless you’ve
already done those things with her) and how excited she is
about it and how wonderful it will all be.
She will still tolerate you having sex with other women, but
in an OLTR a woman will issue more “rules” surrounding
the practice. Younger women are not different than older
women in this regard, except that as I already said, they will
be far more flexible about it and less stringent about these
rules an older woman would.
The downside is a younger woman’s Disney desires will be

five times the magnitude of an older woman’s. Older
women have already gone through the pain and suffering of
marriage, living full-time with a man and all the negatives
therein, having babies, rising kids, divorce, custody battles,
and all that fun stuff. However (most) younger women
haven’t experienced any of that pain yet. To them, it’s all a
perfect fairytale fantasy, and they expect you to play your
part.
If things like living together, having more kids, and or

marriage are what you want from your OLTR, go for it. Just
make sure you take all the necessary precautions I talk about
in my free ebook on the subject of marriage and equally
importantly, never promise her monogamy! Living together,
having kids, perhaps even getting married (remember the
prenup!) are fine, but monogamy? Never! Not if she’s an
OLTR. Hey, remember, she’s a younger woman. She won’t
mind. She’ll make it work.
If there are aspects of the relationship you adamantly do not

want, you need to man up and not let her sway you. If you
absolutely don’t want kids, or absolutely don’t want to get
legally married, or whatever, then tell her and do not waver
when she begs / pleads / cries / threatens. You may lose her,
you may not, but don’t let the possibility of that loss sway
you. There are many other quality women out there…she is
not the only one. Even if you truly love a woman, never get
oneitis!
Chapter Thirteen
VYW Referral Game

One of the absolute gold mines regarding VYW women is
something very few men know about. It’s this:
VYW are far more forgiving, to the point of uncaring, if

you fuck their friends.
VYW live in a world every everyone fucks everyone. All

their guy friends fuck all their girlfirends. I’m exaggerating
of course, but you know what I mean. If a FB, boyfriend,
ex-boyfriend, or perhaps even a close guy friend of a 35
year-old woman has sex with one her her best female
friends, she will react with such anger that the act alone is
grounds for ejecting the guy (and possibly the woman too)
from her life forever, never to return.
However for 19 year-old girls, this situation is damn near the

norm. There’s nothing unusual about it at all. If something
like this happens, there’s probably a short but intense spurt
of drama, then two weeks later everything returns back to
normal and life goes on just like before.
You can take advantage of this little-understood fact…even

do it without the drama.
Take a look at this chart. It’s an actual repsentation of what

has happened with four particular VYW I dated, colored in
purple.
This chart is a representation of what actually happened with

four VYW whom I’ve dated (and in some cases, am still
sporadically seeing via LSNFTEs). By attracting and having
sex with four younger women, I actually ended up getting
sexual with twelve women instead of just the original four.
Here’s what I did. Using my normal cold approach

techniques (mostly online game) I attracted and laid four
new women, girls A, B, C, and D in the above chart. Then I
started dating them all as either MLTRs or FBs, as I always
do whenever I lay a new woman. (I don’t do one night
stands.)
Using “referral game”, I made sure to meet other women in

their social circles and seduce them as well. It worked, and I
ended up having sex (or getting very sexual with) seven
other women, most of them VYW but a few (girl U and girl
X) were older.
In one case, I actually did that again with one of those

“second level” girls, girl Y, and eventually had sex with one
of her friends, girl V.
See the power of this? I only had to take the time and effort
to “pick up” four women, but was able to have sex (or in the
cases of girls T and Y, get sexual) with twelve women.
A few other things about this chart.
• You’ll notice that sometimes the 2nd or 3rd level

women are older. Girl X was a very hot 40 year-old I
had met through girl B. Since referral game usually
will not work on women older than about age 24, girl
X was a “dead end”. Regardless, you can still get
younger women to “refer” older women to you. Just
don’t expect older women to do any referring. Their
ASD levels are too high.
• I was able to get a “referral lay” from a girl who I

didn’t even have full-on sex with (girl Y).
• I put girl A and girl Y together in order to score with

girl Y. We ended up having a threesome (and later I
ended up laying girl V via girl Y).
• You’ll notice some girls referred a lot, some referred a

little. And of course there have been many younger
women who never referred at all (they aren’t on the
chart). I only got one referral lay from girls C and D.
Girl A was better with two. Girl B was a gold mine of

referral sex, to this day I make sure to always keep girl
B around to so I can mine more women out of that
cavern.
This is the power of what I’ve started to call “referral game”,

a type of game that works primarily with women under the
age of 24. It’s a topic I don’t see talked about much
anywhere and that surprises me.
Referral game is a type of social circle game, but it’s not

social circle game specifically. It’s not about meeting chicks
at parties through other people you know and trying to fuck
them. That’s just normal game.
Rather, referral game is the practice of very quickly

isolating, escalating, and fucking women who are friends
with VYW you are already dating, usually with their
assistance. I’m not talking about threesomes, though
threesomes are sometimes a component of referral game.
You start having sex with girl A, and establish an ongoing

sexual relationship with her (FB, WD, MLTR, OLTR, it
really doesn’t matter what kind). After a while, it comes to
your attention that girl A is friends with girl B, who is really
hot (perhaps you saw a picture of her on Facebook, perhaps
you met her briefly while meeting up with girl A, whatever).
You target girl B to have sex with, often before you’ve even
met her in real life, and with girl A’s assistance (or even
without it) you meet up with girl B, who already trusts you
because you’ve been socially proofed and “endorsed” by girl
A, and have sex with girl B very quickly and with minimal
effort.
I am not talking about meeting girl A’s friends at a party and

start gaming them over time. There’s nothing wrong with
doing that of course, but that’s just more typical social circle
game. Instead, with referral game your only objective of the

interaction is to have sex with girl B and do it very quickly.
Not to hang out with her and have fun, not to cross your
fingers and fantasize about something someday, and not
consider her a possible back-up if things with girl A “don’t
work out”.
I am also definitely not talking about fucking one of your

girlfriend’s female friends and then hoping your girlfriend
never finds out. That’s a recipe for massive drama with your
main gal even if you’re in a stated open relationship. As
with all of my techniques, I’m here to show you how to
avoid drama, not create more of it. Referral game is
(usually) very above-board. Both girls A and B are well
aware that you have fucked both of them. How happy they
are about that is a different story, and depends on the nature
of your relationship with girl A, but there is no hiding or
deception involved.
Considering real-world ramifications, drama-free referral

game is only possible under the following conditions:
1. You have not promised monogamy to anyone,

especially girl A. (An exclusive relationship where
threesomes are allowed might be an exception to this.)
2. You are dealing with younger women, generally

women who are age 23 or younger. You think those
over-30 types are going to be cool with you fucking
their friends? Uh, no. If you don’t believe me,
mention the idea to one of them and watch what
happens.
4. You have a nonmonogamous EFA already established

with girl A and are able to convey at least some of that
to girl B. Girl A so she’ll go along with your plan, girl
B so that she won’t feel like she’s “hurting” or

“betraying” girl A.
The great thing about referral game is that it’s almost

literally no work. There are no phone calls, no emails, no
going out to sarge, no dates, no number closes, no
scheduling dates or day2′s, no flaking, no establishing
rapport (at least not really, you’d be surprised how little you
need). As long as you’re at least somewhat confident, have
a strong sexual frame, and have already laid the groundwork
with your solid EFA, it’s amazingly easy…easier than any
other type of seduction you’ve ever done.
It’s also very fast. I have no problem declaring it’s probably

the fastest form of game out there. I’ve had several referral
game lays that were literally under two hours grand total
from meet-to-lay. At least one I remember was under an
hour.
The only downside to referral game is that ongoing

relationships with the B girls are unlikely, since they tend to
view girl A as your “primary” or your “girlfriend”, even if
she’s only an FB. That’s a pretty minor downside when you
compare it to the positives.
As soon as I start having sex a new VYW one of my first

objectives is to figure out how to meet her other hot female
friends, if she has any. One fast referral game lay for me
eliminates the need to send out a bunch of openers online
and schedule a bunch of first dates. It’s an extremely
powerful and high-return use of your time.
How To Do It
1. Establish and maintain a nonmonogamous EFA in a

relationship with your main girl (“girl A”). You need
to establish an EFA a open nor at least a “not yet
committed” relationship before you start pursuing

fucking her girlfriends, otherwise you’re in for a world
of resistance and drama.
How to create and maintain a poly EFAs are beyond

the scope of this book. However I lay out exactly,
step-by-step how to establish and maintain the EFA of
an open relationship in my open relationships ebook.
The bottom line is that you never promise or even hint
about being monogamous or “exclusive” and you
never act jealous or needy when she hangs out with (or
even dates!) other men. There’s more to it than just
that of course; if you’re really interested refer to the
open relationships book.
2. As soon as you’re comfortable doing so, encourage her

to hang out with you and some of her female friends,
especially ones you think might be attractive. This
should be easy. Many girls will do this with you
anyway.
3. Target the women you find attractive who are not in

serious relationships and who seem enjoyable and
sexual. That means you’re avoiding married women,
women in a brand new relationship with a new
boyfriend, or virgins. You get the idea. If you’re new
at this, pick just one girl (“girl B”) at a time.
4. Casually let your girl A know that you’d like to fuck

girl B. Do NOT make this into some kind of big
“talk” or big deal. When girl A is in a good mood and
you’re hanging out and enjoying each other, casually
mention off-the-cuff that you think girl B is really hot
and would love to fuck her. Do NOT do this while
having sex or while being in any way sexual or
romantic with girl A. Do it when you’re just hanging
out and having fun.
If girl A is under age 24 (the younger the better) and

you’ve correctly established a proper EFA with her,
the response from her should range from mildly
positive, where she gives you some playful or sarcastic
remarks, to very positive, where she literally says
something like “Yeah, the three of us should hang
out.”
Keep talking to her until you get that “three of us”

response. If you encounter some resistance, you’ve
done something else wrong. Perhaps your open
relationship EFA is weak (or worse, you’ve destroyed
it by acting like her “boyfriend”), or perhaps you
asked her too soon (like only after a week or two of
dating), etc.
There are times where you would not tell girl A about
your desire to have sex with girl B. This would be in
situations such as:
• Girl A and B are related.
• Girl A and B hate each other or currently mad at

each other.
• Girl B has serious boyfriend or new boyfriend.
• Etc.
If this is the case, skip this step and all the following
steps and go down to the “Two Step Referral Game”
section below.
5. Schedule a time for the three of you to hang out. This

should be easy once you get past step four. Make sure
it’s only the three of you, not the three of you with a
bunch of other friends. Just the three of you. Also

make sure the meetup occurs in the evening and at a
location you can completely control, which ideally
means your home.
If girl A seems open to the concept of you being

attracted to girl B but is hesitant about actually
hanging out as a trio or if the three of you meeting up
never happens because of logistical or scheduling
reasons, then skip all of these next steps and go down
to “Two Step Referral Game” below.
6. Qualify girl B. Make sure she’s legal. Make she there

is no new exciting boyfriend in her life. Make sure
she’s a sexual girl who likes sex and has minimal ASD
(most VYW are in this category so that one should be
easy). Make sure she’s a type two or three VYW.
7. Make sure girl A is “on board” with you “playing”

with girl B. Do NOT go into specifics about what will
or won’t happen. Don’t start talking about threesomes
or taking turns or whatever. Just get her
acknowledgement that “it’s on” tonight. That’s all
you’ll need.
8. Pre-plan logistics. If you’re planning a threesome,

make sure you have all the logistics that you need
ready. If you’re planning a more one-at-a-time-in-thesame-
evening thing, pre-plan that as well. Lay it all
out in your head well before it happens and try to
anticipate any problems that may arise.
9. Close. Either have the threesome or do a take-turns

thing. Either works, and I’ve done it both ways many
times.
This is not a book now how to initiate sex or

threesomes. How to escalate to sex is explained in
detail in my seduction ebook, but I’ll give you a quick
overview of how I tend to do threesomes.
Always make sure girl A is your “main girl”. Give her

most of the attention. When escalating, don’t linger on
girl B too long, even if that means you escalate on girl
B, acknowledge girl A quickly, then go back to
escalating girl B and repeating.
Be commanding and strong. TELL them what you

want them to do. “Get on the floor.” “Kiss each
other.” You get the idea. If alcohol is involved this is
even easier. (Warning: Don’t get any underage women
drunk! Don’t break any laws please!) Proceed
strongly. This is critical.
The best formula is to escalate on both, have sex with

girl B first, then finish with girl A. I always make sure
to do this since it doesn’t give girl B too much time to
“think about it” and it allows me to take more time
with girl A to make her feel appreciated, as well as
“awarding” girl A with my orgasm.
This applies whether you are doing a threesome or

whether you are doing a take-turns thing. Once things
get hot and heavy, fuck girl B first, then girl A.
Two Step Referral Game
The above method or variations of it work in about 60% of

cases. However many of my referral game lays happened
without the cooperation of girl A at all. Often they
happened after girl A and I were seeing each other (usually
due to a LSNFTE). I simply maintained contact with girl B
(and/or girl C, girl D, etc) and laid them on my own. This

requires a different technique.
Steps one through three above remain the same. Do those,

then make sure you do step six. Then, we’ll jump right in,
starting with a new step five.
5. Get girl B on your Facebook and in your cell phone.

Both is ideal, but if you can get only one, get her on
Facebook.
6. Contact girl B via Facebook or by texting on at least

two separate occasions. You want it in her head that
it’s “normal” to be communicating with her this way.
7. When you view it’s appropriate, contact her and pitch

a meetup. Then met up with her and proceed as
normal to sex.
“When you view it’s appropriate” is going to depend

on the situation with girl A. There’s so many
possibilities that I can’t cover them all. Usually if step
4 in the above steps fail, I do these steps here then
pitch the meetup when girl A LSNFTEs me. That’s
the easiest way to do it.
However you can still do it while seeing girl A as long

as girl A is somewhat aware of what you’re doing. I
mean “somewhat aware”; don’t give her specifics.
All of this may sound more complicated than it is, and is
probably difficult to visualize if you’ve never been in a
situation like this before. Once you’re actually in the midst
of this, it’s much easier than you might think. The first time
I did this with no experience with referral game was with
two 18 year-olds. We did it as a trio and I did the take-turnsin-
the-same-evening thing. That was over three years ago
and to this day I still have sex with both of them

occasionally.
Once you’ve established a new relationship with a VYW

who really likes you, give it a whirl. It’s easier than you
think.
Chapter Fourteen
Drama Management
If you’re familiar with my other work, you already know
that one of my core concepts, not only regarding
relationships but of all life, is that I have a zero tolerance for
drama. Life is too short, and I have better things to worry
about.
A zero drama tolerance may seem antithetical to a man who

dates younger women, especially VWY. After all, aren’t
younger women big balls of childish drama?
I’ll answer that question in a minute. First, we should

quickly define drama before we go too much further into this
discussion. Per the glossary on my blog, my definition of
drama is this:
Drama – Any harsh negative actions directed from a woman

to man where the man is the target of said negativity.
Screaming, nagging, complaining, arguing, demands,
crying, threats, ultimatums, the “silent treatment”, refusing
sex because of non-medical reasons, all of these things are
drama, and there are many others. Drama is not “anything
negative”. Specifically, it must be harsh (sweetly lying
would not be considered drama) and focused at the man
(angrily complaining about her boss at work would not be
considered drama). Drama is a female trait. (Men have
guy-drama.)
If she screams at you, that’s drama. If she gives you the

silent treatment, that’s drama. If she spends 20 minutes
complaining about her bitchy best friend, that’s not drama.

Nor is it drama when she lies to you. These might be bad
things, but they don’t fall under the definition of “drama”.
While were at it, let’s also be clear about what guy-drama is.
Again from my glossary:
Guy-Drama – A particular form of drama directed from a

man to a woman. Unlike drama, which is feminine and takes
many forms, guy-drama takes the form of a lecture issued in
order to correct behavior. “Setting her straight”,
“straightening her out”, “laying down the law”, commands
to “respect” him, or issuing “rules” are all forms of guydrama.
Guy-drama is extremely ineffective at managing a
relationship and only creates more drama or at best simply
delays (instead of preventing) future drama.
Now that we’re on the same page with definitions, let’s get
back to our question. Do younger women have more drama
than older women?
The answer is yes. And no.
Drama – Yes
Indeed younger women and VWY in particular can be full of

silly, ridiculous, childish drama. All you have to do is watch
some 18 year-old girls talk to each other or watch Facebook
statuses of people (men and women both) under the age of
24 to see the sheer amount of up-and-down, useless,
dramatic bullshit that permeate the lives of younger women
(or more accurately, younger people).
By the way, I’m not saying older women aren’t tornados of

drama also. They definitely are. Drama is a female trait, not
just a “younger woman” trait. However the sheer amount of
drama from VYW may be something new to you if you’ve

only dated women your own age.
Drama – No
There’s a big BUT to all of this. Yes, VWY are volcanoes

of silly drama, BUT in the face of a confident older man,
their drama can be permanently redirected away from you.
If you stand firm without being a jerk (and we’ll discuss how
in a minute), your 20 year-old girlfriend (or FB or MLTR or
whatever) will quickly learn redirect her drama away from
you and back towards her family, girlfriends, and guy
friends who want to fuck her (her “orbiters”).
No, she won’t stop being dramatic. That’s like expecting a

dog to never bark. She’ll simply throw her drama at other
areas of her life instead of at you.
This is a key difference between younger women and

women over age 30. If you even start implying that your 35
year-old girlfriend should throw her drama somewhere else
instead of at you, she will actually feel insulted and
offended. To her, she’s has a “right” to throw drama you,
her boyfriend or husband. That’s part of your role in her
life: a target of her drama when she’s in a bad mood. I’m
not making a joke here. This really is how women view
permanent male fixtures in their lives, especially husbands
and live-in boyfriends. The older a woman is, the more this
is true. (There are many psychological and societal reasons
for this that go beyond the topic of this book.)
The point is your 20 year-old girlfriend isn’t adamant about

this “right” to throw drama at “her man” like your 35 yearold
girlfriend would be. The 20 year-old is more than happy
to redirect her drama away from you and towards other
people. As long as she can “express” her drama, she’s fine.

The actual target of her drama isn’t that important.
How To Redirect Her Drama
The first step in redirecting her drama is to not do what your

instincts tell you to do. When a woman (of any age) starts
giving you drama, your biological male instinct will be to
react in one of three ways:
1. React back. You’ll want to instantly throw shit right

back at her. “What the fuck are you talking about?” or
“I never said that! She’s lying!” or “If you don’t like
that, then stop doing this!” or “Why are you screaming
at me? I didn’t do anything!” This reaction is more
common with more emotional men and more
immature men.
2. Acquiesce. Surrender. Apologize. In psychological

circles this is called conflict avoidance, saying things
like, “Okay, okay, I will!” This is especially common
with men with strong oneitis or beta males in longterm
relationships or marriages.
3. Respond with guy-drama. We’ve already defined

guy-drama. This saying things like “Alright, look!
That’s it! From now own, you are no longer allowed
to hang out with her! I don’t want you ever talking to
that bitch. Delete her off your Facebook page and call
Verizon and block her phone number right now. I’m
going to stand right here and wait until you do it.”
This is common with stronger men, particularly older
men.
Here’s the problem. All three of those responses are bad.

All three are extremely ineffective at the primary goal of not
having drama in your relationship in the first place. The
first response creates more drama. The next two simply

delay drama (in addition to creating the environment for
future drama to fester). None of them remove the drama.
Father-Like Qualities and Soft Nexting
What then is the correct response?
You respond like a kind, loving, but stern father.
Not a jealous boyfriend. Not a drama queen. Not a pussy.

Not a drill sergeant. Not her boss. Not an abusive or
insecure father. A strong, confident father figure who loves
her but doesn’t have time for her crap.
Your words and actions need to make it clear to her that

while you love her (I use the word “love” loosely in these
examples, since you may not truly love her depending on the
type of relationship) you will not spend time with her while
she acts out. Other men might. Her girlfriends might. Her
sister might. But you will not.
Therefore you’re not going to respond to her drama,

surrender to her drama, or issue your own kind of drama.
You’re just going to calmly smile, tell her to calm down, and
if she doesn’t, you’re going to calmly remove her from her
house, and go do something else.
I’m of course talking about the soft next. I go into extreme

detail into the how-to of soft nexting and why it works so
well in my book on open relationships. To summarize, a
soft next is a temporary removal from her life, done in a
relaxed, non-angry way, where you leave her, ignore her
phone calls, emails, and texts for three to seven days. After
which you see her again and resume the relationship like
nothing ever happened.
The difference in soft nexting and drama management with

you as the older man and her as the younger woman is you
need to a little less of an Alpha male badass and a little more
the strong, stern, loving father. Many younger women,
particularly the type twos, have been lacking in a strong
father figure, or in just as many cases, a much too strong
father figure. In many ways you’re the security and
balancing force in her life that she craves. Moreover, she’s
not going to give her father figure drama. Not if he’s both
strong and loving, and you need both components to make
this work.
A few years back I was dating two VYW simultaneously

who were both friends. One day, after some furious
whispers between them, they came to me and started asking
me very nicely if we could have a party at my house and
invite their friends. Immediately they started making all
kinds of promises and assurances.
One of them suddenly stopped, looked at the other, and said

“You know…this is just like we’re asking our dad.”
That’s when I first knew I had nailed the confident, nonneedy,

loving, strong, drama-free frame of the father figure.
By the way, both of these girls were massive drama queens
to everyone else in their lives (and remain so to this day), but
neither of them ever gave me drama. This is why.
Let Them Vent
The technique of letting a woman “vent” applies to women

of all ages, and it’s a key in keeping drama low and
redirecting a younger woman’s drama.
When a woman comes home and bitches about her horrible
day to her lover, I call that “venting”. Venting isn’t drama.
It’s a very important part of the feminine psychological
process. I don’t know if you’ve noticed yet, but women

process the world by talking. Only by talking things out do
they get to the point where they can relax. This is, of course,
the opposite of what most of us men like to do. After a
rough day we’d rather just crawl into our cave and watch
football. We don’t want to talk to anyone. Talking about
stuff often just pisses us off even more.
Women are the opposite. They need to talk it all out. While
drama should not be tolerated, not even a little, you should
allow her to vent all she likes, as long as she’s at the WD
level or higher. If she wants to complain to you for 30
minutes about her dumbass boss or ex-best friend or her
bitch sister-in-law, let her. Just smile, nod, and let her talk.
This concept was first introduced in the 1980’s by John
Gray, the Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus
guy. While he was dead wrong about a lot of other things,
he was absolutely right about this one.
If you don’t let your woman vent when she needs too, she’s
not going to feel like you are a safe place for her. It’s
critical. And remember, it’s not directed at you, so it’s not
drama! Also, as I implied above, if she’s just an FB, you
don’t need to listen to her venting if you don’t want to.
Of course, if in the process of venting she starts complaining

about you, THAT’S drama and it’s time to nip that in the
bud immediately. Just follow the sequence of 1) a warning,
2) changing the subject if she persists, 3) soft next if she still
persists.
Women are extremely fast learners. She’ll figure out the

difference between drama and venting and modify her
behavior accordingly. I’ve done this countless times over
the years with many women. It works.
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Chapter Fifteen
Things To Watch Out For

Younger women are wonderful. I really mean that. My life
has been enhanced in every way since learning how to
attract and date VYW, and I recommend it for every older
man who has decent energy levels and a healthy sex drive.
However it’s not all sweetness and roses. Having a sexual

and/or romantic relationship with a girl 20 years (or more)
younger than you does introduce some challenge areas that
would not happen with a woman closer to your own age
(and, of course, a few that would).
I have several years of experience fucking, dating, and being

in relationships with much younger women, and in large
numbers. In this chapter I’ll give you a heads up on all the
pitfalls I’ve observed and learned, so that you can be
prepared for them and ensure they’re alleviated if and when
they do happen to you.
Challenge Area 1: Legal Issues
This is such a critical issue we already discussed this way

back in chapter one, but it bears repeating.
1. Know the age of consent laws in your local area as

well as your attorney does.
2. Always verify a younger woman’s age before you

touch her, either by checking ID or by using a private
investigator or web service.
3. Do not touch women whose age you cannot verify, no

matter how hot or how willing they are, until you can
verify it. If you absolutely can not verify her age,
there are plenty of other fish in the younger woman
sea…move on to other women.
4. Do not touch a women you know to be under the age

of consent, no matter how hot or willing she is.
Remember, there are plenty of fish in that sea, and jail

time nor lifetime status as a sex offender is not worth
any one woman, no matter how amazing.
Got it? I’ve said it twice now. This book assumes that you
have indeed verified the age of any woman you are seeing in
a sexual context.
Challenge Area 2: Family Issues
Even younger women who are 100% sexually legal still may
have parents they live with who are not going to approve of
their perfect little girl dating a guy in his 30s, 40s, or 50s.
The good news is that as the world becomes more

progressive, this is much less of a problem than you might
expect. I’ve actually been extremely surprised at the number
of parents who really don’t have a problem with their 18 or
19 year-old daughters going out with a guy 20 years older.
The majority of the parents of VYW I’ve been with who
were aware of my existence in their daughters’ lives have
been surprisingly supportive, or at least neutral to the
concept.
However, this doesn’t mean all parents will be supportive.

Some are going to be downright creeped out or worse, very
upset. This is especially true if the parents are younger than
you. The good news is younger women aren’t stupid, and
most girls who have parents they know are going to be
pissed simply keep the older man in their lives a secret from
their parents. However younger women being who they are,
secrets tend to get out.
You need to be prepared for any fallout that might occur in

your life or hers if the issue of disapproving parents arises.
Here are some ways you can prevent or alleviate this
problem.
1. Always treat the younger woman (or women) in your

life with the utmost care and respect. You should be
doing this with all women in your life anyway, but it’s
going to serve you double as well if you do it with
VYW. The more you treat her like crap, the more
likely she’ll go complaining about it to her friends and
possibly her parents, and the more likely there will be
trouble for you.
I am not saying you act like a pussy, AFC, or beta

male. Hell no. You can still be a strong, dominant
Alpha male with the younger woman in your life and
still treat her with kindness, care, and respect.
2. Do not lie to women. Again, this should be a maxim

for all romantic relationships. Telling the younger
woman in your life the hard truth or just keeping your
big mouth shut are both better than lying. Most drama
in non-married relationships stem from dishonesty.
Plus, VYW are already used to men constantly lying to
them, so your confident honesty will be a nice retreat
for her, as well as a DHV.
3. Do your best to only date VYW who do not live at

home with their parents. Just doing this alone removes
all kinds of possible relationship and logistical
problems from your interactions with her. VYW are
indeed ten times easier to deal with if they do not still

“live at home”.
Not only are their logistical benefits to dating her

when she doesn’t have parents at her place, but VYW
who do not live at home are far more likely to act like
mature adults than those who live at home with
mommy and daddy. (Of course, there are plenty of
exceptions to this rule as well.) I’ve dated several
VYW who lived in on their own or with roommates,
who owned their own cars and/or had their own full
time jobs. Despite the fact they were numerically
young, they essentially lived the lives of “adults”.
The next best situation is if they live with just one

parent. 50% less parents in the picture means 50%
reduced odds of problems. Plus the single parent will
often be working hard at a job to support the family
and thus not be home; another plus.
If you indeed end up with VYW who is still living at home

with both of her parents, you need to be double as respectful
and honest with her if you want to avoid “parental
entanglements”.
Challenge Area 3: Drugs and Alcohol
Regardless of the law, it’s a hard fact that women age 16 to

23 do more drugs, drink more alcohol, and get drunk more
often than women in any other age group. I have dated large
numbers of women in all age groups, from age 18 to age 49,
and I can attest to this personally.
Women under age 24 drink and/or do drugs more often and

more heavily, often to ridiculous levels and (this is the
important part) it does not matter how smart or mature they
are in the other areas of their life.
Many extremely intelligent and capable VYW will still get

drunk to the point of puking all over the carpet on a semiregular
basis. Do not be fooled by the cute 20 year-old who
acts “mature for her age”. Most likely she’s still a little
party animal just like all the rest.
Of course, when VYW are with you, you can control this to
a degree, and you should. (Not to mention the legalities
involved of being an older man in the presence of drunk
underage minors.) However when she’s not with you, that’s
where she’ll often get into trouble. Sometimes, big trouble.
I first realized this when I watched an 18 year-old FB of
mine down three-fourths of an entire bottle of 151 rum
within about ten minutes. Wow. I can’t even put a shot of
151 near my face without getting disgusted with the pungent
aroma, but here she was, guzzling it like it was beer. (She
spent the rest of the night puking in the toilet of course.)
In my time with younger women, I’ve had these situations:
• One 18 year-old FB of mine got drunk downtown

with friends (I was not there) and was wearing a
pair of sweat pants that were too large for her (that
she was borrowing from someone else). They were
constantly falling down and she was constantly
pulling them up. She got a little too drunk, and
didn’t pull them up fast enough when the cops
drove by. She was arrested and had to spend the
night in jail.
• One 20 year-old FB got drunk and stoned, had sex

with one of her younger guy friends at a party, and
got pregnant. Her third child (from as many men).
She snagged the guy as a BF so they could “make it
work” until a paternity test revealed he was not the
father. She was so drunk she didn’t even remember

who the real father was.
• One 19 year-old MLTR of mine (one of those very

smart, mature, capable ones) was so drunk one
evening when I picked her up, she kept me awake
until 4am while I held a bowl under her face to
catch her puke. Fun. I had an important business
appointment the next morning and needless to say I
was not happy.
• A 25 year-old MLTR of mine once saw something

another woman put on my Facebook wall she didn’t
like. In a fit of jealousy, she LSNFTE’d me, then
quickly went out on first date with a guy from
online she had never met, got shitfaced drunk with
him, and had sex with him on the first date.
Unprotected sex, of course, because when you’re
drunk you don’t care. So far so good, until a few
days later her genitals started bleeding. He had
given her genital herpes, and is now herpes positive
for the rest of her life.
• Years ago, before I had most of this younger

woman stuff mastered, I stupidly held a party at my
house and most people there were guys and gals
under age 24. Two guys got drunk, got into a fight
with each other, smashed some of my glasses, got
blood on my floor, and scared the crap out of
everyone else. I had to physically remove them
from my house (thankfully I’m a big guy) drive
them 30 minutes away and kick them out on the
sidewalk, all of this at around 3am in the morning.
Man, I was pissed. (However I did get a threesome
with two 18 year-olds out the deal, and they
cleaned the mess for me while I was gone, so the
evening wasn’t a total loss.)
I don’t want to give you the impression that these are

common occurrences in my life. They aren’t. These are just
a few instances over an almost five year-period of me dating
a lot of women. But if VYW are in your life, especially
multiple ones (like I have), you need to be prepared for these
situations.
Challenge Area 4: Lack of Birth Control or STD

Protection
I cover the topic of birth control and STD prevention indepth

in my ebook, How To Create And Maintain Open
Relationships With Women, and I’m not going to rehash all
of that here. Suffice it to say that unless you know the
younger woman very well and she’s demonstrated a history
of responsible sexual behavior, you always need to be
wearing a condom when you have sex with one.
This is even more important with VYW than with women

your age. VYW, even the very intelligent and mature ones,
simply don’t give a shit about preventing pregnancies or
STDs, especially when they’re drunk which we’ve just
established can be often. They are especially careless about
pregnancies. I shouldn’t have to tell you about the epidemic
of teenage mothers out there for you to understand that
VYW just don’t care if they get “accidentally” pregnant.
Unlike older women who often actually want to get pregnant
“on accident”, most VYW just don’t care. I mean they
really don’t care. If you want to cum inside them for weeks
on end without wearing any condom, they won’t bat an
eyelash.
But YOU should! Not only will you end up having to pay
child support to some dingy 18 year-old for the next 18
years, you’ll probably end up with chlamydia or herpes or

some other fun disease.
When having sex with any woman, but especially a VYW,

condom up. I don’t care if she said she was “just tested and
is clean” (unless she can show you a hard copy or email
results) or that the “doctor said she can’t get pregnant”.
Wear that condom!
Challenge Area 5: Super High Energy Levels
I actually consider this a good thing, at least sometimes, but

you might not. As I talk about in the next chapter, VYW
have young teenage bodies bursting with powerful
metabolisms, flowing hormones, and almost boundless
energy…possibly way more energy than you want or are
ready for.
• You might want to have a quiet evening at home, but

she wants to go to the clubs and dance until 3am.
• While you’re at work she’s texting you…bitching that

she wants to go to the mall with you. Right now. (No,
she doesn’t care it’s 2pm on a Tuesday and you’re at
work.)
• You’re cleaning your garage on a Saturday and she’s

bouncing off the walls, wanting to go camping or jet
skiing.
• It’s 7pm and she’s starving and wants to go out and

eat, even though you both just ate full meals two hours
ago and she ate more than you did.
• It’s 1am and you’re ready to fall asleep, but she’s wide
awake, jumping on the bed, and wants to stay up and
watch The Simpsons with you. Again.
You get the idea. Humorous as they sound, these kinds of

situations are not unusual.
I happen to be a very healthy and high-energy guy, so this is

not a big deal for me (usually!). Plus I’m at the point where
I’m accustomed to it. However I know plenty of older guys
interested in younger women who have moderate or even
low energy levels. You need to be prepared for the
occasional disconnect with your younger companion. If
you’re only interested in infrequent FBs or very short-term
relationships, this is much less of an issue for you, but still
something to be aware of.
Challenge Area 6: Lower Sex Drives
You’ll especially notice this difference with VYW if you are

used to dating women over age 35.
Women in their 40’s and mid to late 30’s tend to have wildly
insatiable sex drives once they get comfortable having sex
with a particular man. You can have sex three or four times
in an evening and they’re still ready and willing for more.
Younger women, especially VYW, not so much. Yes, they
love sex, and yes you can have sex with them more than
once and they’ll be happy, but they will usually not be
craving sex like older women are.
You’ll probably never get the compliant “all we do is have

sex!” from a 40 year-old woman, but you might from a 20
year-old one. If you have sex once or twice with a VYW,
it’s more likely she’ll be ready to take a shower and “go do
something fun” rather than have sex again.
When I date older women, I often will get phone calls and
texts from them begging me to come over to their place to
fuck them. I almost never get these kinds of requests from
the VYW I date. (Though there are always happy

exceptions to this!)
One of the key psychological differences between VYW and

older women is that older women like sex because they like
sex, while VYW tend to like sex because of the attention
they’re getting. It’s a slight but key distinction.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying your new 19 year-old

girlfriend won’t love sex with you and won’t be asking you
to fuck her. She will! Just don’t expect the hardcore sexual
desire you might be accustomed to when having a 40 yearold
girlfriend.
Challenge Area 7: “Slutty” Behavior
This may sound like the complete opposite of challenge area

six, but it’s true. While VYW might have lower sex drives
than older women, they still tend to be more…well…slutty.
I’ll explain.
You might have to worry about the 27 year-old woman in

your life fucking another man when you’re not looking, but
you may have to worry about the 18 year-old in your life
fucking four other men when you’re not looking.
You’ll probably never have to worry about the hot 28 yearold

gal in your life dancing on a table in front of a bunch of
men when you’re not around.
You’ll probably never have to worry about the 38 year-old

woman in your life dressing in overtly sexually alluring
clothing when it may not be appropriate to do so.
You’ll probably never have to worry about the 31 year-old

in your life constantly flirting inappropriately with other
men when you’re not around.
However you my very well encounter all kinds of things like

this from the younger women in your life. This is one of
those “take the good with the bad” situations. The good
news is that younger women have much less ASD than older
women, and believe me, this is a very, very good thing. The
flip side of this is they will often flaunt their sexuality far
more than older women. If you’re a more controlling guy or
have a more jealous personality, you’re going to have your
hands full.
Challenge Area 8: Addictions To Phone And Facebook
Women of all ages women like to talk on the phone, and

many women of all ages like to mess around on Facebook.
However younger women consider these things their
constant lifeblood. Her phone is the most important thing in
her life. She’s on Facebook all day long, whether that
means sitting at a computer or Facebooking on her phone.
While talking to her at the restaurant while having dinner,

much of the time her little face will be planted in her phone
while she texts someone and talks to you at the same time.
This is a classic generational difference. You might consider
this behavior as rude, but people in her generation do not.
It’s just considered normal in her social world, and if you
tell her she’s being rude you’ll just confuse and annoy her.
It’s simply part of the new communication paradigm of her
era (and frankly, of yours too).
That phone of hers rules her life. It doesn’t matter if you’re

having a quiet emotional moment or in the middle of
watching a movie at the cinema…if that phone beeps or
rings or whatever, she must stop whatever she’s doing and
respond to the text, email, Facebook message, or phone call.
Even if she loves you, her phone will (seemingly) be more

important. Be prepared.
Challenge Area 9: Jealous Younger Guys
Oh, this is a big one.
She’s going to have young guy friends in her age group, and
they are all going to universally hate you with a white-hot
passion. Some “old guy” fucking “their girl”. Oh man,
they’re going to be pissed.
She’s going to constantly hear complaints and insults

regarding you (when you’re not around, of course). Take
her out to a bar, and guys closer to her age are going to
badmouth you to her whenever you turn your back to get a
drink.
You are not going to be welcome in her male social circle.

The other young men in her life will at best fear you, at
worst hate you. Be prepared for this. I’ve even had one or
two instances of young jealous orbiters of young FBs or
MLTRs I was dating try to mess with me. (Online of course,
never in person.)
If you’re a more emotional, touchy, or dramatic guy, this is

going to be a problem. It’s no big deal for me however;
because of my no-drama policy, I simply refrain from
spending any time with any younger guys in her social
circle. I suggest you do the same unless you enjoy drama
and conflict.
The younger women in her social circle…now that’s a

completely different story! You want to talk to them! We
already talked about referral game.
Challenge Area 10: “On Blast” With Relationship Details
“On blast”, if you have not heard the term, is a common

term among the millennial generation that means to
embarrass someone by revealing compromising information
to a large group of people. Over time that term has morphed
to mean “revealing anything personal to people who don’t
need to know”.
VYW, women under the age of 24 or so, have a different

concept of privacy that you might, especially if you’re well
over age 35. In a world of 24/7 camera phones, video
phones, YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter, the term
“privacy” has changed dramatically to say the least.
Let’s say you have a little argument (or even a big argument)
with the younger woman in your life. You might be
surprised to find the next morning she’s posted about it in
detail on her Facebook page so that her 523 friends and
family members can read all about it.
Again, this is a generational difference you need to accept, at

least to some degree. Contrary to what us older guys from a
bygone era might think, she’s not doing this because she’s
being a bitch, or because she’s trying to get back at you, or
anything like that. She’s doing it because that’s what her
generation does. If something pisses them off, they plaster it
all over Facebook/Twitter/Formspring/whatever, regardless
of how personal or private you think it should be.
As an old fogey, you need to be prepared for this

generational difference. For a while, when I was new to the
world of dating younger women, I tried to fight this with all
the VYW I dated. Over time, I realized this was a losing
battle. This is just how “kids these days” “work”. It’s the
way it is, and you’re not going to stop it. Trust me, I know.
I’m at the point now where as long as the crap that is posted
about me isn’t too explicit or specific, I just let it go. Unless
you want to be constantly battling a key generational
difference that you’ll never “win”, I suggest you learn to do
the same. I’m also not saying every younger woman does
this, but the majority do. If it makes you feel better, she’ll
also constantly be posting all kinds of flattering and
wonderful things about you as well.
It’s definitely a new world out there. By dating much

younger women, you’re going to get a crash course on just
how new it really is.
Chapter Sixteen
Sex
Sex with younger women is not that different from sex with
older women. There are all kinds of stories people tell about
how women in their mid thirties are at their sexual peak and
hornier and better in bed than younger woman, some of
these things have some truth to them.
Regardless, I’ve slept with a large number of women from

18 year-olds to women in their late 40s, and I can tell you
for a fact that the actual act of sex with younger vs. older
women is more or less the same. With both younger and
older women, some women are good, some are bad. Some
are loud, some are quiet. Some are very active, some lay
their like a dead fish. Some women orgasm easily many
times, some orgasm once, some can’t cum at all. Etc.
It’s true that an 18 year-old’s body is going to look and feel

much different than the body of 45 year-old woman. That is
absolutely the case and one of the big benefits of VYW. I’m
saying the actual act of sex is more or less the same.
What where you do run into differences between older and

younger women is the atmosphere around sex rather than the
sex itself.
As I mentioned last chapter, speaking generally, older

women, particularly those over age 30, like sex primarily
because it feels good. Younger women, VYW in particular,
like sex primarily because of the attention it gets them. I’m
not saying 19 year-olds don’t think sex feels good. They
certainly do (most of them anyway). What I’m saying is that

for younger women, sexual attention is just as important, if
not more important, than the act of sex itself.
I’ve dated women in their 40’s who wanted me to just come

over to their houses and fuck them. You will rarely get
requests like this from VYW. She might call you up to have
sex, but after sex she wants to go “do something”. Whereas
after sex the 42 year-old woman probably wants to just have
sex again.
This is the reason why a cute 20 year-old girl loves to dance

on tables down at the local bar but a cute 40 year-old woman
has no desire do to that at all even if thought she could get
away with it without judgment. You might think that’s
because the older woman is more “mature” or have already
“gone through that stage”, and some of that might be true.
However the overriding reason is that pure sexual attention
is less important to the 40 year-old while sex still is. The 20
year-old girl thrives on sexual attention, loving it just as
much as actual sex.
There are few ways as effective to command a man’s total

and complete positive attention as having sex with him, and
younger women learn this very quickly. That’s the
overwhelming reason why they want to have sex, in addition
to the fact she’s got raging hormones (more on this in a
minute) and sex feels really good.
How does all of this relate to you?
In some ways, her desire for sexual attention is very good. It

means she has far less ASD than her 40 year-old female
counterparts. If you play your cards right, she will have sex
with you much faster and with much less rules and strings
attached than a 40 year-old will (whereas the 40 year-old
woman can and usually will deny you sex even if you play
all your cards right in a dating environment).
It also means if the woman in your life is really young, as a

VYW, she’s going to be far more tolerant of you sleeping
with other women, including women she knows personally.
That’s what referral game is all about.
The bad news is that your new 19 year-old or 23 year-old

girlfriend is likely not going to be as pure a sexual creature
as your last girlfriend who was 39. Your new GF is
probably not going to want to have sex six times a day. I’m
not saying she won’t do that, I’m saying she won’t be
begging for it. Your old GF would love to have sex three
and four times in a row late into the evening, but your new
19 year-old GF is ready to go “do something fun!” after
having sex once or twice. She may think having sex all
night is “boring” when she’d rather go to the club with you
instead.
Going back over the plus side of all this, your new 19 yearold
girlfriend is going to have far, FAR less rules about your
relationship than your 39 year-old ex-GF ever did. Your 19
year-old is going to let you do just about whatever the hell
you want. Your 41 year-old ex had a list of expectations and
“proper boyfriend behaviors” for you that was a mile long.
Violations of any of these resulted in a long “discussion”
about things like “mutual respect” and “how hard she
works”. (If you’ve ever dated a woman over age 33 or so
you know exactly what I’m talking about.)
Like most things in life, it’s a list of pros and cons.
Teenage Biology
Before get into the next topic of women’s “slut phase”, we

need to make a quick detour into the realm of biology. This
will aid you in understanding the sexual and relationship

motivations of VWY.
As I have written about extensively in my other works, we

human beings possess, more or less, the same brains and
bodies of ancient cavemen from tens of thousands of years
ago. We like to think we’re all high tech with our IPads and
Bluetooth headsets, but the reality is we are operating the
same bodily machine as Grog the caveman 80,000 years ago
sitting in a cave with a spear and a stinky loincloth. Nature
has been very slow in catching up with our technological
advancements and culture.
Back then, when food was scarce and gatherings of people

were small, nature designed you to grow fast, reproduce fast,
and die fast.
Nature made sure you matured from childhood to

adolescence by age 12 or so. Then it wanted you to have
lots of babies as quickly as possible. So it designed your
body with all kinds of hormones to improve your looks,
make you stronger, metabolize food efficiently, and make
you really horny for sex. This is why teenagers are so damn
horny. This is why parents fantasize about locking up their
teenage daughters and why you used to masturbate 20 times
a day back when you were 13.
After a few years of this, nature didn’t want you hanging

around as an old person, draining the tribe’s very limited
food supply. So it made sure you died at age 25 or sooner.
This is why people start actually aging at age 25. It’s also
why the brain isn’t fully formed until around age 25. Up
until then, people look great. After that, the slow death
process begins. The reason people over age 25 run into
things like sagging skin, wrinkles, gray hair, cancer, heart
attacks and Alzheimer’s Disease is that nature never
intended for any of us to live past age 25. Interesting when

you think about it.
So if you’re a man over 30 dating a woman who is under age

25, certainly if she’s under age 20, you need to remember
her body is likely in a very different stage than yours. No,
I’m not talking about puberty…most women have that
handled by age 12 or 13. I’m taking about this adolescent
caveman-stage where her hormones are powerfully flowing
through her body in an effort to get her to reproduce, among
other things.
This will help you put into perspective the next part of this…
Levels of Sexual Experience and The “Slut Phase”
I have found that VYW usually fall into one of two

extremes. Either she will be very sexually inexperienced, as
in she’s a virgin or only has had sex with one or two men in
her entire life, or she’s had sex with a huge number of men.
Rarely have I met or dated VYW who fell in-between these
two extremes, and there’s a very specific reason for this.
In the modern era, most women hit a temporary “slut phase”

sometime between the age of 16 and 22. At some point
between those ages she snaps and suddenly fucks a huge
number of guys within a very short period of time, even if
she was a very “good proper little girl” beforehand. We’re
talking 10 to 15 men within 6 to 12 months, or more. This
happens because of various factors including cultural
pressures, parental deficiencies, immaturity, the desire for
attention, and the extremely powerful biological factors we
just talked about.
Then when the smoke clears, she snaps out of it, looks back
and says “OMG I was a slut!” then calms down a little,
keeping it to just one or two guys at a time.
This slut phase is normal, natural, and predictable. Almost

every woman I know went through something like this.
Most older women will (reluctantly) admit that they too
went through this slut phase back when they were that age.
(If you don’t believe me, just ask them.) Of course there are
exceptions to every rule and there will always be a few
women who never do this, but the vast majority in the
modern era, in the western world, do. I don’t care how
innocent or sweet or responsible or how good her grades are
or how good her parents are. She’s either done this or will
be doing this very soon.
When you meet up with a VYW who is very sexually

inexperienced, that means she hasn’t hit her “phase” yet.
There is nothing inherently good or bad about this. These
women are just as layable as the “post-sluts”, so proceed as
normal. Just realize that if you get into an ongoing
relationship with her, the day will come when she’s going to
explode and go get slammed by a bunch of guys. You need
to be prepared for this. Again, I don’t care how much of a
“good girl” you think she is or how much you care for her.
Be prepared for this. All the time I see younger guys get
into serious relationships or marriages with pre-slut-phase
younger women only to be shocked and horrified when these
girls break up with or divorce these guys and go sleep with a
huge pile of men, or worse, cheat on them and do so while
still married or in a relationship with them.
Just as often, perhaps more often, the younger woman you

meet up with will already have had her “phase”. That means
despite or age or appearance she will be very sexually
experienced and she’ll know exactly what she’s doing.
However she will put up a little ASD with you initially
because she “doesn’t want to be a slut like she was last
year.” The memory of her slut phase will still be fresh in her
mind and she will be conscious of not repeating it. However

she won’t be any more resistant than a typical VYW.
Sometimes, though rarely, the timing for you will be just

right and you’ll met up with a VYW while she’s right in the
middle of her short slut phase. Happy day for you. Get
ready for a very fast, very easy lay. However! Don’t expect
her to be around long. Soon she’ll be off you and on to the
next guy. Be double sure to wear that condom!
The best thing to do with VYW right in the middle of the

slut phase is to fuck them fast, fuck them for as long as you
can (which won’t be long), and make sure you get their
phone number, email address and get them on your
Facebook page ASAP. Then when she vanishes out of your
life, hit her up in four to six months later and re-acquire her.
By then her slut phase will be over and she’ll be more
normal to deal with. I have done this with more than one
woman and it works.
Sexual Teachability
For years now, some older women (cougars) have talked

about how they like younger men because they’re more
“teachable” in bed than older men.
Well guess what? The exact same is true with younger

women too. Once you’re in a relationship with a VYW who
really likes you, you can indeed take her from an
experienced near-virgin to an absolute sex goddess who is
amazing at all the things you like. I have done this with
several women, including with women who had not yet hit
their slut phase.
Do not hesitate to do this! As an older man, she’s going to

expect you to be dominant and take the lead in sexual areas
anyway. Being her sex teacher is yet another fantastic way
to assert your dominance and raise her attraction for you into
extremely high levels. Of course, if she’s only a short-term
thing or a pure FB only, this is less important. But if it’s
with someone you plan on dating for a while, you need to do
this.
The sexual areas I have found younger women to be the

most teachable in and most needing of help in are:
1. Being comfortable with their own bodies.
2. Learning how the male body works and does not work.
3. Learning how to get to orgasm clitorally and vaginally easily and

repeatedly.
4. Determining what she likes the most, since she may not be initially
aware (and because all women are different and like different
things).
This is not a book on sex or sexual techniques. That’s a

topic for elsewhere. The point here is if you lovingly
address those four areas with her (in about that order) you’re
going to quickly have one amazing woman in your life. Not
to mention the fact that even if you break up later, she will
remember you, very fondly, for the rest of her life. I mean
that. You’re not here to just get laid. You’re also here to
bring happiness to the women in your life. Getting
comfortable sexually is a very difficult thing for women of
all ages to do. Assisting a younger woman in becoming a
happy, comfortable, sexual being is one of the many ways
you can do good for others.
One more thing about that. Just because a woman in her

20’s has gone through her slut-phase and has slept with a
bazillion men does NOT mean she is now comfortable with
their body or knows how to orgasm. All my life I’ve been
surprised at women who have been with large numbers of

men but who still have body issues, sexual hangups, and
major trouble getting to orgasms. This is because 95% of
the men out there are either terrible in bed or don’t give a
shit about making a woman feel good. Don’t be one of those
guys.
Afterword
If you’ve already had a little experience in dating much
younger women, these ebooks, if you put them into practice,
are certain to boost your results in ways that may surprise
you.
If you’re an older guy who’s never really tried younger

women before, then like Obi-Wan said to Luke a long time
ago in a galaxy far, far away, “You’ve taken your first step
into a larger world.”
Dating with younger women, having them in my life, ranks

up there with one of the most pleasurable, rewarding and
downright happy experiences of my life. If you get to
experience even one-tenth of what I’ve experienced with
younger woman (and it’s my hope you experience more than
that!) you will immediately understand what I’m talking
about.
Take the knowledge from these three ebooks and put them
into practice in your life as soon as you can. Please don’t
read these books, nod your head, and then go back to your
business-as-usual life and forget about them. Do this stuff!
You will be massively rewarded, I promise.
I love to year about success stories. If you’re an older guy

who has made even one much younger woman work in your
life, please email me at here and tell me about it.
If this ebook set sells well, I plan on doing seminars and/or

workshop strictly for older men dating younger women.
Unlike women, as we men age, we become more attractive,
more in our prime. It’s time we started taking advantage of
this. If this is a topic you would like to learn more about,
email me or read my blog regularly to keep apprised of more

products, events, forums, and web sites I’m involved with to
educate older men on what they can have. What they should
have.
Good journey to you, and good luck!

~Blackdragon
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Younger Women
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Actual Dating Events and Relationships With Younger

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Table Of Contents
Introduction 4
1. My Very First - “Courtney” 5
2. Time Did Tell - “Madison” 10
3. The Virgin - “Megan” 14
4. Once And Gone – “Jennifer” 19
5. Don’t Karaoke! - “Kelsey” 23
6. She Forgot To Tell Me She Was Married - “Jess” 27
7. The Jackpot - “Tiffany” 31
8. Got Screwed - “Danni” 34
9. Near Perfect - “Lauren” 37
10. Epilogue – The Story Never Ends 42

Introduction
In this book I’m going to lay out several real-life situations
and relationships with some of the VYW (Very Young
Women, women age 18 to 23) in my own life over the past
several years. From these you should be able to pick up
ideas and techniques and get comfortable with the kinds of
things you should do, not do, and expect.
I track everything that happens in my dating and relationship

life on spreadsheets and in journals. To prepare for this
book, I went back and pulled out all the women I’ve gotten
sexual with that were under the age of 24. It was a healthy
list. Then I culled the list down to nine women in particular
that I felt would have the most instructive stories behind
how they came into my life. Some of these women are true
success stories that you can learn from. Others are partial
successes. A few are complete and total failures, all of
which were 100% my fault. You can learn from those as
well. I certainly did.
I have changed the names of everyone involved of course,

but everything else is actually what happened based on my
spreadsheets and journals and to the best of my memory.
This book assumes you’ve already read the first younger

woman book in the set, How To Attract and Date Younger
Women, so I’ll be using terms from that book that might
confuse you if you haven’t read it yet.
Here we go!
Chapter One
My Very First: “Courtney”

It only makes sense to start things off with the first VYW I
ever had sex with as an older man; a very cute, very wild 18
year-old named Courtney. Because she was my first, it took
me a lot of time and effort to finally lay her, and we had a lot
of false starts, but in the end it was worth it not only for the
things I learned, but for other reasons you’ll soon see.
Years ago, back when I was 35 years old and still getting the
hang of all this dating/seduction stuff, Courtney responded
to one of the many openers I sent women on Plenty of Fish.
Up until then I had only sent openers to women age 25 to 45.
One day I thought “Ah, what the hell”, and sent a few off to
some much younger women, ages 18 to 20 or so, just to see
what would happen. The first woman I had a date with was
the hot 20 year-old I talked about in chapter one of the main
younger woman book.
About a month or two after that, Courtney responded to an

opener. We emailed back and forth very briefly and I hit her
up for a meet very quickly as I always do. She happily
agreed. I told her to meet me at a family restaurant (my first
mistake) located in a part of town where I knew she was
living. We exchanged cell numbers.
If you’ve already read Dating Women: Getting To Sex As

Quickly As Possible, you know one of the techniques I use
is to arrive 5 minutes after the woman arrives for a first date.
It creates more respect than if a woman arrives after me and
sees me just sitting there waiting for her. When Courtney
texted to say she was running a good 15 minutes late, I
decided to enter the restaurant and wait for her anyway.
Every 10 minutes or so, she would text me to say that she

was on her way but “was getting lost” since she “wasn’t
from around here”. I got hungry so eventually I angrily
ordered a salad and eat while I responded to business emails
on my phone.
45 long painful minutes later, she still was not there, but was
still texting me apologizing about how she was “lost” and
was “trying to get there”. Upset, I told her to forget it and
we would try for another time.
We texted again a few days later. I decided that it would be

better (in this particular case) if I came to her and picked her
up. I didn’t want a repeat of what happened last time.
I told her (via texts) that I would drive out and pick her up
but if she canceled on me when I was halfway out to her
place, or if I got to her place and she wasn’t there, I would
delete her number and I would never talk to her again. I was
this harsh because I had learned the hard way from dating
other women that this “pick me up” stuff was often full of
time-wasting risk. Very often you’d drive halfway out to
some location to pick a woman up only to have her cancel
on you, forcing you to turn around and drive all the way
back home (while cussing profusely). So I was very leery of
picking women up, always preferring instead to meet them
somewhere. I didn’t understand back then, as I do now, that
most VYW don’t have cars or even driver’s licenses, so
picking up women VYW is par for the course most of the
time.
She swore to me none of that would happen and was excited

to see me. The plan was to pick her up at her place at 11pm.
(Remember what I said in the main book about VYW often
wanting to meet at late hours?) I couldn’t take her to a bar
since she was only 18, but there was a cheapo 24-hour
restaurant close to her apartment that I decided to use.
The night of the date, I went on another first date with
another woman, a very hot 27 year-old blonde, that I ended
at 10:30pm, just enough time to zip across town to meet
Courtney. (I eventually ended up having sex with the blonde
too…in the back seat of her SUV no less…but that’s another
story.)
I pulled up to the apartment and picked up Courtney who

was already in the driveway waiting for me. She was
dressed in shorts that were barely below her butt with one of
those long frilly shirts that were in style with teenage girls a
few years ago. She hopped into my car and immediately
started chatting away. She was very happy and bubbly. (I
learned later she had done some cocaine a little earlier so
that was part of it, but her personality is very enthusiastic
and social even without it.)
We just started talking like old friends. As we drove to the

restaurant we were already laughing together. It was quite
effortless.
At the restaurant she ordered a milkshake and I drank water.

She talked and talked and talked. She showed me the tattoos
on her back also. She was a “shallow”, and keeping her
talking was very easy.
I turned the conversation to her past relationships. Oh, there

had been many. One guy was even 40 years old but “we
never got to sex” she said. She was a true type 2. Good.
After a while I took her for a walk in the night air. While
walking past a church we made out. I don’t normally kiss
women on a first date since it usually reduces the odds of a
lay occurring later, but like I said this was back before my
system was perfected.
She had “friends” back at her apartment, she said. God

knows what that meant, but that ruled out sex for the
evening. Unless…
On the way back to her place I pulled into an empty parking

lot and we made out in my car. That turned into me laying
on top of her and grinding her in the back seat of my car
with my hands all over her. However she would not let any
clothing come off despite my best efforts.
That was it for the first “date”. I forget what we did for the
second date. It was brief. There was no sex. The third time
we hung out was at her apartment where she lived alone but
always had friends over. There, she showed me that she
regularly smoked weed and wanted to make sure I was
“okay with that because most guys give me shit about it”.
I don’t give a shit what women do in their spare time. I

made it very clear to her that I didn’t care. So she smoked
her bowl and I met some of her pothead friends, both male
and female. Once everyone was high, I left. I don’t mind if
people do drugs but I have no desire for them myself. (I’ve
never done any drugs in my entire life, no plan to.)
Three meetups and no sex yet. I was getting pissed.

However as always I was dating, meeting, and having sex
with other women so it was no big deal. But I really wanted
her. She was 18 and hot. The youngest woman I had ever
had sex with up until this point in my life was 27.
God answered my prayers a few days later. I finally got her

to agree to come over to my place. She said that she could
just “stay over”. I liked the sound of that.
Within 15 minutes of her and I arriving back at my place, we

had sex. It was amazing. She was tight, loud, fun, hot. She
was cute with a small build with big, perfect teenage boobs.
It was everything I imagined sex with a younger woman
could be.
Courtney and I went on to date for five months in an open

relationship. We had many wild sexual escapades that are
too numerous and salacious to describe here. She was a
wild, promiscuous, high-sex drive freak, totally incapable of
telling the truth, but a lot of fun. I also had sex with many
other girls in her social circle using referral game. She was
definitely a stepping stone in my evolution and a wonderful
crash-course in the world of older men dating VYW.
This was all years ago. To this day Courtney and I still have
sex occasionally though rarely, when she’s in-between
massive life disasters, drama, boyfriends, and even
husbands. In all seriousness I could write an entire book on
just on Courtney, her life, her friends, her family, her
women, and my involvement in all the above. It would
sound crazier than a Hollywood screenplay.
Perhaps another time…

Chapter Two
Time Did Tell: “Madison”

Not all VYW are wild crazies like Courtney. She’s an
extreme example. Contrary to what you might think, the
majority of the type 2s out there (and type 3s actually brave
enough to date older men) are just normal everyday girls.
One of these was Madison, an 18 year-old, cute girl-nextdoor,

farmer’s-daughter type with HUGE tits. (I like women
with big boobs, if you can’t already tell.)
I met her on MySpace a few years back. Back in those days,

when MySpace was still big before Facebook destroyed it, I
used to do big MySpace blitzes of openers and friend
requests to lots of VYW. My response rate was low but the
women who did respond were always very nice and very
eager to talk to me (type 2s!) and I did get laid from it quite
a bit.
Since MySpace is not a dating site, it’s usually not a good

idea to suddenly pitch a date or meetup with a girl as soon as
she starts talking to you, especially if there’s an age
difference. More conversation and comfort is required.
Madison and I did a random back-and-forth over MySpace,
off and on, for about a week. I made sure to talk about
relationships and dating and she went into detail about her
limited dating history.
I continued the conversation over texting. I pitched a meet

and she was interested. It didn’t happen. Her schedule was
just too inflexible. She was going to school and working a
job and didn’t have access to a car.
Regardless of all those excuses, one day she suddenly had a

boyfriend. This happens sometimes with online dating…if
there’s too long of a delay for any reason, she’ll be gone, on
to the next guy in her social circle.
An entire year went by. She went from 18 to 19. One day I
noticed her relationship status was back to “single”, so I sent
her a text. She responded immediately and was happy as
hell to hear from me.
I got the entire story of all the drama and problems with her
now ex boyfriend. He was needy, jealous, angry, got furious
when she talked to other guys, constantly kissed her ass, etc.
In other words, he was typical of men her age. I think he

was 20 at the time. So they crashed and burned in a tornado
of ridiculous drama just like most young peoples’
relationships usually do.
I pitched a meet. She was down for it. Again, her schedule
was terrible, but I was finally able to get her to meet me at
the coffee shop section of a bookstore located inside a mall
that was close to her home.
I made sure I was five minutes late (using texts to confirm

she was there) and met her sitting at a table in the coffee
shop. She had fantastic long dark blonde hair with an
average face but one of those strange bodies where
everything is tiny and skinny except her huge boobs which
were easily double Ds. Her boobs (and her age) were the
primary reason I had emailed her in the first place.
As always, I just sat down and started talking to her like we

were already old friends (which in a way we were). She
grew up on a farm and was happy and extremely polite.
Very girl-next-door.
I kinoed her a lot, mostly her hair. She was more than happy
to oblige. To this day I still remember how so damn
compliant Madison was.
At about an hour, I gave her a hug and got the hell out of
there since I needed to make a business appointment. (I was
dressed in business attire since that was what she was used
to seeing on my MySpace pictures.)
About a week later our second “date” was her just coming
over to my house to “hang out”. This is an important point.
Men seem to think that on a date or a “meet” you need to go

out and “do” something. You don’t, especially with much
younger women. VYW are used to going to friends’ houses
to just hang out. I used the fact I had a Nintendo Wii (that
my kids used) over at my place to entice Madison. (Women
hate video games but they love Wii.)
We never even got to the Wii. Most of the time we just sat
on my couch and talked. Knowing it was time to escalate, I
started talking about sex. This conversation moved toward
the topic of her body. Apparently her boobs were so large
she always wore a reducer, and she was wearing one at that
very minute. My heart leapt with joy. Did that mean she
had triple Ds?
Soon I was touching her hair, then her face, then were
making out. I was shocked at how skilled a kisser she was.
Most VYW are terrible kissers (hell, most women are
terrible kissers), but occasionally you get one who is
amazing. She was.
In no time we were on my floor, my hands all over her.

Then her shirt was off and I was sucking her fabulously
giant tits. I moved to take her pants off and…no go. She
had a “five date rule” she said. Five dates? That was a new
one. Most women have a three date rule, not five.
Regardless, I knew from past experiences that women’s

stated “three date rule” (or five in this case) is all bullshit.
I’ve had sex with plenty of women on the second date who
had this “rule”.
However try as I might, I could not get those pants off. I

could squeeze her ass all I wanted, and I did. I could rub her
pussy through her pants, and I did. I could play and suck
those amazing tits, but the pants would not come off no
matter what I tried.
I went to a fallback position and tried to get her to blow me.

No go there either.
So I just threw her back on the floor and enjoyed the rest of
her body, namely those supertits.
The third date never happened. Less than about two weeks
after our encounter, she suddenly had a new boyfriend again.
Oh well.
This was years ago. To this day Madison and I still

communicate occasionally She’s one of this hardcore “can’t
ever be alone” serial monogamists who always has a serious
boyfriend.
Maybe time will tell again…

Chapter Three
The Virgin: “Megan”

Megan is one of my more unusual VYW stories. Perhaps
“unlikely” would be a better word.
One day I came across 19 year-old Megan’s profile on

OKCupid while doing searches for newly-added VYW
profiles. Her profile was odd in that none of her pictures
showed her face. The closest was one that showed her chin
under a wide-brimmed hat that covered the rest of her face.
I thought, “Well, it’s clear she’s not overweight. And she’s
19. So why not?” I sent her an opener.
She responded, and we had a brief IM conversation. I asked

her about the fact she did not show her face. She was
paranoid about having her face so “public”. Odd. Most
VYW like the attention they get online and love to show pics
of themselves. Even the ugly ones.
Regardless, she seemed interested and very intelligent. We

happened to live in the same neighborhood so I used that as
a point of commonality. I moved the conversation to texting
and I told her to friend request me on both MySpace and
Facebook and she did. In both cases, there were still no
pictures of her face. Damn!
I finally told her to email me a picture of herself since it was

only “fair” since she clearly had seen many pics of me. I
was not going to meet up with a woman sight unseen, no
matter what. I strongly recommend you adhere to the same
rule if you’re using online game as your weapon of choice.
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She was very reluctant, but she did so. I clicked her email,
expecting to see an ugly duckling. Instead I smiled ear-to-ear
when I saw her fuzzy cell-phone picture pop up on my
screen. She was cute, with extremely long brown hair and a
very moody look to her. The only thing odd: she was
extremely tall, as in almost 6’1” when barefoot. I’m 6’0”
with shoes on.
Whatever. Cute is cute no matter how tall it is. Especially

when it’s 19.
I pitched a meet. She was extremely reluctant. She dropped

the next surprise on me by revealing she was a virgin. She
had only one boyfriend since age 16 who she recently broke
up with. They had “done things” like go down on each
other, but apparently the cock never went inside the pussy.
Some guys are turned off by virgins and others are turned on
by them. I’m indifferent. I simply realized that if I was
going to meet this girl, much less get sexual with her, I
would have to move slowly and carefully.
So I did. I think it took all of three weeks of occasional

texting before she agreed to a meet. (Which was fine, since
I was always dating and having sex with other women in the
meantime. See how I never focus on just one woman at a
time like most guys do? If there’s one recurring theme in
every book I write, it’s that one. It changes everything in
your frame when dealing with new women.)
We met at a Starbucks. Not my favorite choice, but it was

the only location she felt comfortable with. I walked in (5
minutes late as usual) and as I approached I could see in her
big brown eyes that she was petrified. A virgin, who had
never been on a date in her life, now on an almost “blind”
date with a guy almost 20 years older than her. Now that I
think about it, she was pretty brave.
We started talking. Unlike most VYW I’ve dated, it took

her a long time to relax and open up. Most younger women
get happy and bubbly within the first 10-15 minutes or so.
Megan took much longer.
When she did, all she could talk about was her job (and
hopefully future career) as a theatre technician. She was a
hardcore “singular” (refer to chapter ten in the main younger
woman book). As such, she went on and on about lighting,
scaffolding, special effects, sound equipment, and all that
stuff. She loved it. I was just glad she was able to open up
to me.
At the end of the hour went outside (since it was summer

and nice) and talked for a bit out there, where I kinoed her
hands, arms, and hair. She was nervous at my touch but did
not resist. As usual, I made sure to not even try to kiss.
The second “date” was at that same exact stupid Starbucks

again. I never do this, since the more different locations a
woman sees you in, the more comfortable she becomes with
you. Again, that was all she would agree to, since it was a
“known” location for her. I knew sex would not happen so I
made sure it was just an hour like the first date was. At the
end, when we were talking outside again, we made out in
the parking lot. Her kissing was bad, but most women’s
kissing is bad so I’m used to it. Considering she was a
virgin it wasn’t that bad.
On the third “date” she agreed to come over to my house.

To my surprise, at my place she was very relaxed. All the
nervousness from the first two dates were pretty much gone.
She talked and talked about theatre tech just like always. I
made sure to talk about sex and relationships too, and she
followed my lead and went into detail regarding all the
turmoil of emotions she felt around her ex boyfriend, both

post-breakup and when they were dating.
I kinoed her much more this time. I don’t remember exactly

how I did it, but suddenly we were kissing, then we were on
the floor. She was a little nervous when I attempted to take
her shirt off, so I forgot about the shirt and moved to take
her pants off, which she allowed me to do.
Notice this is the exact opposite of what happened with

Madison, where she would not let me take off her pants but
happily let me take off her bra and shirt. Sexually speaking,
different women have different areas of comfort and worry,
and sometimes if your escalation efforts don’t work in one
area, you need to try another area until you find the one
where she’s comfortable.
For Megan, the World’s Tallest Virgin, this was her pants. I
had them off in seconds. God she had a nice ass. After
playing with that a bit I slowly went to take the panties off
and this is where she stopped me. Shit!
So I stopped trying to remove the panties and just went

under them, on her ass and rubbing her virgin pussy. This,
she allowed. But that was it.
I tried and I tried and I tried. Gently, but forcefully. None

of my techniques worked, including freeze outs. She was
virgin, so it’s not like I was super surprised. I could go
under the shirt and panties all I liked, and she liked that, but
they would not actually come off. So, like with Madison, I
just enjoyed what I could enjoy.
On our fourth date, she just came over again, but this time
she allowed even less clothes to come off. It was a case of
buyer’s remorse, virgin style.
I have a personal rule that states there must be sex by the

second date or at least a clear sexual progression by the
second date (as in every subsequent date more things
happen), or I stop dating the woman. I don’t date without
sex. That’s for AFCs.
Therefore after the fourth date I didn’t text her again. She
texted me and I did respond, but I didn’t bother to meet up
with her again.
In time, she got a boyfriend and moved about an hour away

to her new college. She would still occasionally text me.
She said she was still a virgin with this new guy and still had
not had CIP (cock-in-pussy) sex with him yet. Megan had
some major purity Disney fantasies so I tend to believe it.
But who knows?
About nine months later when she visited her parents, who
lived right in my neighborhood, she hit me up and wanted to
hang out. So she hung out at my house one more time. I
tried to escalate but got nowhere. She was trying not to
cheat on her new boyfriend (who she hated and who was a
constant problem, by the way) and she was trying to
maintain her virginity.
Sometimes you have to cut bait on the difficult ones, no

matter how enticing. Regardless, know that if a VYW is a
virgin your odds of success go way down no matter how
good you are. No virgin cigar for me this time, but I came
close.
Chapter Four
Once And Gone: “Jennifer”

Jennifer is one of my more recent younger women. What
I’m about to describe happened just a few months ago in
early 2011.
Jennifer was one of many women from a huge online blitz I

did where I sent out over 100 email openers over a period of
several weeks. She was a cute 19 year-old redhead with a
very funky, artsy style.
She answered my opener saying that she did not qualify as

one of the attractive women I say I like in my profile. I
wrote back, saying that I should probably be the judge of
that, and we carried on a quick email conversation and an
IM conversation.
I pitched a meet soon, as I always do. She was extremely

nervous. After a few brief text conversations I finally got
her to meet up with me. I just kept asking, over and over
again, but nicely. We lived in the same area and met up at a
park while she was babysitting a little boy. (Remember
what I said in the main younger woman book about parks
being a good place for first or second “dates” with VYW.)
We spent about an hour together, waking around the park

and watching him play on the play structures. She was very
fiery and sarcastic. (I hate to say it but the stereotypes
regarding redheads are accurate…Courtney was a fiery
redhead too and I’ve dated several others in my day.) We
talked about all the “good” topics during that time. I found
that she had two boyfriends in the past, but the big revelation
was she got sexual with one of her ex-high school teachers, a
married man about 30 years old. (She did this when she was
already 19 so it was legal.) No actual cock-in-pussy sex;
apparently they just did oral on each other.
Bingo. Type 2. I was very happy to hear all of this.
I made sure to wrap up the “date” as fast as I could, knowing

sexual escalation was impossible with her little boy around. I
gave her a big hug and went on my way.
About 30 minutes later, she sent me a text telling me that I

need some updated pictures on my online dating profile
since I was “much more attractive in real life.” A nice
compliment. Most compliments I get from women are about
my presence, wit, and masculinity. Rarely do I get them
regarding my appearance so that was nice. All the fashion
and skin regimen stuff (that I talked about in the main
younger woman ebook) was paying off.
I knew it was on. After a little banter I made sure to

schedule the second date right then and there.
As usual, she had no car, and lived with her grandmother

and a few other siblings, so I picked her up at the same park
where we met, which was walking distance from her house.
As I pulled up, it was clear she had dressed up for me. She
was wearing a cute purple outfit complete with matching
socks and shiny girly shoes. It was like going out on a date
with a combination of Punky Brewster and Dorothy from the
Wizard of Oz.
As we drove back to my place I asked her if she was hungry

and to see if she wanted to stop and eat first. She said she
wasn’t. Good.
We arrived at my house and I gave her the grand tour as I

always do when women visit my home for the first time. I
want to make sure they’re comfortable with my house and
my domain; I want them to feel safe with me. It’s critical.
Then we played the UNO card game (which is a great game
to play with VYW by the way). They all know how to play
it and get very excited when you tell them you have a set of
UNO cards.
After a few UNO games (where kicked my ass while I

kinoed her a great deal) we talked a little more and soon she
was on my couch. I could tell she was nervous getting my
face close to hers, at one point even physically turning away
from me during some intense kino while spouting some
sarcastic comments. I used that opportunity to feel her ass
and the backs of her legs. She didn’t resist. My hands
moved up into her skirt and started rubbing her pussy. She
started moaning. After a few moments of that I moved her
to the floor and laid her down on a blanket.
Most women, the vast majority in fact, need to be kissed

before they get fucked. However rarely you’ll run into a
woman who is more nervous about kissing than she is about
actually having sex. Weird but true. Jennifer was one of
those. As has been a repeating theme in this book, there are
times you need to modify your sexual escalation based on
what women desire or are comfortable with.
Once on the floor, Jennifer and I were having sex very

quickly. She was loud, extremely verbal, and it was
fantastic. When I fingered her it was clear she loved it and
had never been touched that way before. She was very wet
and my blanket was quite damp.
When we were done she kept on talking about it, making

both positive and sarcastic comments about it, laughing and
joking about how I “came all over her” (which I did).
A few days later during a text conversation I told her we

should hang out again. She responded by saying she
suddenly had a new boyfriend. When I demonstrated my
confusion she said she thought I was only interested in sex.
I told her she was mistaken (which was the truth) but if she
already had a new boyfriend it was probably too late for us
anyway. (I gave her something, then I took it away.)
A week later she said she had already broken up with the
new boyfriend (big shock) and said that she missed me (big
shock). I tried another meet but she said she was busy until
the following week.
A few days later I sent her a text. No response. I sent her

another text a few days later. No response. So I forgot
about her and moved on.
This was all a few months ago. We had one friendly text
conversation since then but I really didn’t attempt to meet
up, namely because my woman-schedule at the time was a
little full. I may never see Jennifer again, or I may. It’s hard
to tell when I’ve had sex with a woman one time. As I talk
about in my open relationships ebook, women are locked
into you after having sex with you twice. But just once, it’s
still a crap shoot. Jennifer has only been once (at least as of
this writing). Most women I have sex with more than once;
that’s always my objective. One night stands are rare for
me, but it they do occasionally happen.
Oh well. It was VERY fun while it lasted. Jennifer’s a very

cool chick.
Chapter Five
Don’t Karaoke!: “Kelsey”

I had never paid attention to Asian women up until a few
years ago. Way back when I was dating Courtney from
chapter one, I met one of her 18 year-old girlfriends, a short
cute Asian girl. Unlike most Asians, she one actually had
big boobs and very well-defined hips. Her and I also had
very similar interests and personality traits, so I was
instantly into her. Using Courtney and some referral game, I
had sex with little miss Asian and it was amazing.
From then on, I was sold on Asian women…just as long as

they had curvy bodies with hips and boobs (and frankly,
most Asian women do not).
Fast forward a few years, and I see 21 year-old Kelsey’s

profile on Plenty of Fish. Asian, half Chinese and half
southeast Asian but born and raised in the U.S. I could tell
from her pics she had that curvy figure I love, and bigbreasted
Asian women are rare and wonderful jewels, at
least in my world.
Too bad I was about to fuck this up. Really bad.
We meet up at a very cool bar for our first date.
Surprisingly, she didn’t drink much. Most 21 year-olds are

insane drinkers because of their new drinking-legal age.
She was very hot. Asian, huge tits, nice hips, very dark skin
and eyes, perfect lips, perfect thick long hair. We talked for
a very long time, well past the one hour I usually limit my
first dates to. (Mistake number one.) I found out she
actually sang semi-professionally (but made very little
money doing it) and that her last boyfriend was in his 40s
(she’s a type 2!).
I did not kino as best as I could have (mistake number two),

but regardless toward the end of our date as we were
walking around I could see she was begging for a kiss. So I
kissed her. (Mistake number three.)
For our second date, I had a different bar in mind, but she
desperately wanted to go karaoke to she could sing. I didn’t
see anything wrong with that so I agreed.
(Though I hadn’t realized it yet, that was mistake number

four.)
On the way to the bar, in the car, we made out a little.
Things were looking really good. I was excited.
We got to the bar, ordered some drinks, talked some more,

kinoed some more, and waited for our turns to karaoke.
It was her turn first. She went up, the music started, her
mouth opened, and holy crap. She instantly stunned the
entire place. Her singing was every bit as good as a worldfamous
professional. Everyone was enraptured at her
perfect voice and stunning presence as sang some Dolly
Parton country western tune (which, judging by the size of
Kelsey’s chest, was appropriate). When she finished, there
was a standing ovation. I’m not exaggerating or making this
up. People in the bar, men and women both, actually stood
up and clapped and cheered as she made her way back to her
seat by me.
I was extremely impressed and told her so. She smiled.
Apparently she was used to this kind of attention.
Then it was my turn to get up and sing.

Let me stop here and say that while I have a very good voice
and I know how to sing reasonably well, I have an extremely
limited octave range and I can only sing well if it’s a song I
specifically rehearse. The music I listen to his hard
metal…not really something you can sing. So I walked up
to the microphone and selected Fly Me To The Moon by
Frank Sanatra, a song I occasionally sing in the shower.
The music began! I took command of the audience using
eye contact and body language as I have so many other times
when I do public speaking.
Opened my mouth! I sang!
And…..I sucked!
I guess my unrehearsed singing voice doesn’t sound as good

to others as it does to me in the shower. As I sang I could
see a horrified look of embarrassment on Kelsey’s beautiful
face. She averted her eyes every time I looked at her in the
audience. When the song was over, there was dead silence
from the crowd as I made my way back over to her.
(Mistake number five.)
She was very polite and very nice, but there was an instant
and definite change in the dynamic between us. Regardless,
we talked for a little while longer before I drove her back
home, since she “had to get home to study.” Or something.
As I pulled up to her house to drop her off, she turned to me

in the car, smiled, and gave me the Let’s Just Be Friends
speech. Not that I was surprised to get it.
Let me clear about something. Despite all of the prior little

mistakes I made, I’m confident that I could have still laid
Kelsey had I not gotten up there and sang (or even better, not
gone to a karaoke place with her before fucking her twice).
But once I got up there and sang like a wounded rooster, that
was the end of me and Kelsey.
Let my pain be your wisdom. Never, ever do anything

“different” or “creative” or “outside the box” with a woman
during the seduction phase until after you’ve had sex with
her at least twice. Before that happens, keep the dates
(hopefully no more than two of them) to just drinks and
that’s it. No matter how hard she tries, no dinner dates, no
rock-climbing dates (or whatever) and absolutely no
karaoke!
Chapter Six
She Forgot To Tell Me She Was

Married: “Jess”
Oh, this was a fun one. It was years ago and still makes me
smile to this day.
Sending online openers one day I see Jess on Plenty of Fish

and I immediately come to a complete stop. Not only was
she young (22 years old) but she was absolutely smoking
gorgeous. Small, short, amazing body, perfect blonde hair,
amazing face, everything I like. I sent her an opener and she
responded very quickly.
Soon we were having a conversation over texts. She tells

me about all kinds of drama she’s having with her recent ex
boyfriend whom she has a child with. Due to their disputes
the child was with him temporarily, not her. (Which I
always consider a good thing for obvious reasons.)
Though she was somewhat nervous, she agreed to meet up

for a date. She had no car so I picked her up at her
apartment (where she lived alone, which I remember
thinking was unusual) and I was going to take her to a bar.
However I had just come from work, had not eaten all day
and was starving. So I changed things on the fly and asked
if she was hungry. She said she was, so I took her to very
cheap but very good Mexican restaurant that was only five
minutes away.
Side note. If you’re a very busy guy like I am, this

sometimes happens. You’ll be about to start a first date at a
bar, but you’ll be starving because you haven’t eaten in a
while. If you’re not careful, you’ll suddenly want to change

the date into a restaurant so you can eat. You need to avoid
this. Nowadays I always keep almonds, bottled water, and
little yogurts in my car, so no matter how hungry I might get
in a busy day, I can always wolf down some food and
refocus. I strongly suggest you do the same.
Back to Jess. Restaurant first date. Usually a no-no. But I

kept it to a very cheap place and I was starving, so I
rationalized it that way (for better or for worse).
We talked for few minutes on the way and I could tell she
was nervous. Not a big deal. VYW often are in the first few
minutes, especially when those first few minutes of the date
are in a strange man’s car.
No worries. As soon as we got out of the car I could tell she

was loosening up.
Man, once I got a good look at her out of the car, I was
smitten. She was so hot…the exact perfect look I like in a
woman. Damn near my personal “ten”.
Once we sat down and started talking, my attraction just kept

on getting worse. “Worse” as in more intense. She was so
smoking hot I had trouble concentrating. The one thing that
kept me grounded was it was clear she was drama queen and
she wasn’t that smart, both of which are turn-offs for me.
She went on and on about all her problems with her ex, her
ex before that, her medical problems, and her family
problems. If I wasn’t so turned on I would have been
exhausted listening to her life.
Regardless, I enjoyed her. All that drama simply meant she

would have to be an FB rather than an MLTR once we
started having sex. Not a problem. I love FBs.
We had some good Mexican food, laughed a lot, and I

kinoed her a lot. I had another first date scheduled right
after her so when we were done I dropped her back at her
place.
Later she sent me a text asking if I thought she was “okay”.

Always a good sign. If a woman sends you a text after a
first date before you send her one, that’s the Ultimate IOI, as
I describe in my Get To Sex Fast ebook. It means you’re
getting laid. I gave her the standard answer I always give at
that point: “I’m not sure yet.”
For our second date I had to pick her up at her apartment

once again. The problem was twofold. One, she lived quite
a ways away (about 50 minutes driving distance from my
house) and second, she had no phone, so I could not confirm
things enroute or when I arrived. (She had been texting me
using a shared apartment computer and her Yahoo
Messenger account.)
Regardless, I wanted to fuck her so badly I went for it

anyway. Plus, I had already met her, and the date went
great, and she had given me the Ultimate IOI. What would
possibly go wrong?
Well, a lot.
After driving 50 minutes I arrived at her apartment. I

parked, went to the building entrance, and buzzed her room.
A man answered. The conversation went something like
this:
Him: Hello.
Me: Hi. Is Jess there?
Him: Who is this?
Me: It’s Blackdragon. Who is this?
Him: <angry tone> This is her husband.

Me: Really? Jess has a husband, huh?
Him: <more angry now> Uh, hell yeah she does!
Me: Well, that’s great. I’m here to pick her up for our
DATE tonight but that’s probably not going to happen. It
was nice talking to you. And by the way, you might want to
ask your sweet little angel what she does in her free time
when you’re not around. Bye!
I turned around and left. I got back in my car and did what I
always do when a new date doesn’t work out. I texted one
of the other women I was dating at the time, set her up for
later that evening, and got laid.
A little while later Jess sends me a flurry of texts about how

sorry she was, how she was going to tell me, how they were
getting a divorce, how he wasn’t supposed to be there, blah,
blah, blah.
No thanks. Not only did she lie to me in a pretty big way

but she put me in a position to get directly involved in her
life drama…drama I had nothing to do with. Oh, and did I
forget to mention that this “ex” who was her husband was a
huge, ripped, muscular guy almost 20 years younger than me
who took steroids and had a history of violence? Fun.
I was tempted to overlook all of this and just fuck her

anyway, but I have a strong no-drama policy in my life and I
didn’t see any way to fuck her and avoid her chaos.
As you can probably tell, I have no problem dating women

who have lots of drama in their lives. Women often do,
younger women often more so. However I don’t want that
drama spilling over to me and my life, and that’s a big
difference.
What a disappointment Jess was, in many ways. Oh well!

Chapter Seven
The Jackpot: “Tiffany”

Tiffany is one on the short list of my absolute best success
stories. (One of the others is Lauren, who you’ll hear about
in chapter nine.) She was (and still is) a success in dating,
online dating, fast seduction, VYW, open relationships, and
referral game. A win/win/win all the way around.
Several years back, just as an experiment, I hopped on

MySpace and ran a search for every 18 or 19 year old within
25 miles of my house who had just been online that day. I
launched off 20 emails to the 20 hottest girls in my search.
As usual, I just looked at their photos. I completely ignored
their profiles and their “relationship status” and even sent
emails to women who said they were “In a relationship” or
“Engaged”, knowing from past experience that words like
“relationship”, “boyfriend”, and “engaged” don’t mean
much to VYW.
All I said in the opener was this:

You seem interesting.
If you want to chat, let me know.
That was it. Out of the 20 emails, I got four responses, three
of the four were very positive. One of them was Tiffany, a
gorgeous 18 year-old Asian who was only a few days away
from her 19th birthday. We chatted back and forth on
MySpace about things like fun and family. I gave her my
cell number and told her to text me. In response she emailed
me her cell number, and we started texting.
Within minutes the texting turned into a phone call where

we chatted for about 20 minutes while I attemped, mostly
successfully, to work through her thick Asian accent. I
pitched a meet at her favorite mall for the very next day and
she agreed.
We met at the food court of the mall and talked for about
two hours (this was before I implemented my one-hour-max
rule for first dates). She was cute, feminine, and fun. We
talked, laughed, and I kinoed her a lot. When I got to up to
leave she looked upset and said I “needed to eat”. So I let
her buy me lunch. Who am I to say no? Shortly after that
we wrapped it up. It was clear she wanted to see me again.
For our second “date” I picked her up at her place (as usual,
she didn’t have a car or even a driver’s license) and took her
to another mall, this one very close to my house so I could
easily take her there afterwards. In talking to her I
discovered she only had dated a huge amount of guys but
only had sex with one of them, and even that was a year
prior and it was only a few times. In the bookstore as we
looked around I really ramped up the sexual kino, touching
her hair and her face.
Soon, I told her we needed to go to my house because I had

to “check my email”. (Any excuse works.) She agreed.
After giving her the grand tour of my house, we sat together

at my dining room table while I messed with my laptop.
Soon she wanted to “play on the computer” and sat on my
lap, where I proceeded to feel her body to my content.
Soon after that we were on my couch, making out, her on

top of me. Then she looked at me for a minute and actually
said “We can have sex. Do you want it now?” Um, let me
think about that…
We had sex and it was almost like having sex with a virgin.
Bleeding, pain, etc. That didn’t seem to bother her too much
because we immediately started seeing each other once a
week.
This was about two and a half years ago and I’m proud to
say that to this day I still see her about once a week in an
open MLTR relationship. She’s been one of the most
consistent woman in my life. We’ve had many fun
adventures together. Threesomes, other hot VYW women
she’s brought to me to have sex with, I could go on and on
and on…it’s been a wild, wonderful ride. Much like the
experience I had with Courtney, but without most of the
drama and chaos. She’s still a woman, so she does gives me
drama from time to time and soft nexts do happen, but rarely
is it a big deal.
If you put in the numbers, you will find women like this.
They’re out there waiting for you right now.
Chapter Eight
Got Screwed: “Danni”

A few years back, just a few weeks after my strikeout with
Kelsey from chapter five, I had a first online date with
Danni. At 23 years old, she had long dark hair, big brown
eyes, a very girl-next-door look. Her face was alright, but
her body was simply amazing. I still remember that day in
the bar where we met, watching her move as she got up from
the small table to ask the waitress something. She had one
of those bodies that looked like an artist’s sculpture. She
was striking.
We talked for a while but realized the bar was closing. It

was one of those suburban bars; those don’t stay open long.
So I put her in my car and took her to one of the downtown
bars to continue our conversation.
Danni was very natural and very comfortable sexually.

Soon I was kinoing her and she was touching me back.
Soon after we were making out right there in the bar. Yes,
this is a no-no, but I was still formulating my system back
then. That being said, she was a fantastic kisser and had
fantastic lips she knew how to use well.
One the way back from the bar I squeezed her thighs and her
pussy (over the clothing) with my right hand and as I drove
with the left. She ate it up, not thinking or acting like there
was anything wrong or unusual about it. Like I said, she
was very sexually comfortable. She said it was “because she
was Greek.”
Right then and there I considered booking a trip to Greece.

Nothing else happened that night. She “had” to go home to

“get up early for work tomorrow”, so I bid her a good
evening and headed home.
Our second date was at another bar and it was during the
daytime, which is another no-no, but it was the only time I
could get her. I tried to get her back to my place but “she
didn’t have time”. More makeouts and more feelouts, but
not much else.
Over texting a little later she told me she wanted to go to a

dance they were putting on downtown and that she wanted
her mom to come with us so I could “meet her”. Even back
in my novice state at that time, I knew that having mom
around on a date was a horrible idea, but for some dumb
reason I can’t remember (probably horniness) I agreed to it.
I tried to convince myself that it was a “good sign” she
wanted me to actually “meet her mom”.
It wasn’t a good sign. It never is.
Like a pussy AFC, I drove out to her place, picked up her

and her mom, and drove the three of us downtown. Danni
was all dressed up in a sexy strapless dress, but that was
irrelevant since sexual escalation was impossible with
mommy right there.
We danced and hung out. When mom wasn’t around, we

made out and I squeezed Danni’s perfect tits. They
suggested “going to dinner” but I knew that would mean me
footing a $100-plus bill, so I made some excuse about
getting tired or something.
The evening ended. I took them both back home. We hung

out at their place for a while (Danni lived at home with her
mom), but nothing much happened. (If you’re thinking
“mother-daughter threesome!”, um, Danni’s mother did not

qualify. Otherwise this story would have turned out much
differently.)
So I drove home, alone, pissed.
I made a few more attempts to see Danni again, but was

always “in the hospital” regarding “something wrong with
her ovaries”. STD? Could I have dodged a bullet? I never
found out.
Though we talked a few more times since then, I never saw

Danni again. The situation with her is a perfect example of
why you never want to:
1. Kiss a girl on a first date.

2. Follow any AFC 1950’s dating models.
3. Spend any serious money prior to having sex with a
VYW.
Though I didn’t get laid, I learned a lot dealing with Danni.

I didn’t forget.
Chapter Nine
Near-Perfect: “Lauren”
Like Tiffany, I consider Lauren one of my great VYW
success stories. It puts a huge, dumb smile on my face just
to write about her, and I mean that.
Lauren was a very, very cute 18 year-old I found one day on

Plenty of Fish. Some freckles, beautiful deep eyes, long
amazing brown hair, trim body but with a huge perfect ass,
the body style I love.
She responded to my opener and we chatted a bit on POF

before I moved the conversation to MSN messenger so we
could IM. We had one, perhaps two very deep discussions
about men, women, relationships, and life. She was very
much in the “singular” category I talk about. Moreover, her
personality to so similar to Megan’s back in chapter three,
the two girls could have been best friends.
She had a “somewhat” boyfriend but was very wishy-washy

about it (nothing unusual there; VYW often are wishywashy
about boyfriends). She also had a child (he was not
the father) which made her cautious. I tried to meet up with
her though she resisted, albeit gently.
Soon she emailed me and informed me she was moving

across the country with her boyfriend to go live with him
even though it was very clear she didn’t love him (or even
like him that much!). That didn’t matter…she was a mother
and had found a provider. I shrugged, wished her well,
continued to focus on other women, and completely forgot
about her.
More than an entire year later, something interesting

happened.
I had recently had one or two FBs/MLTRs leave my life

because of some LSNFTEs, so I hopped back on the dating
sites to bring in some new women.
As I was poking around on Plenty of Fish, my eyes caught a

picture, one of those many pictures you see on the top of the
screen at POF showing women who were recently online. I
hesitated. This particular picture looked vaguely familiar.
Suddenly I remembered. It was Lauren! Though I had long
forgotten her name, I very much remembered her picture
(like most men, I’m visual). It was the exact same picture
she had used the first time we talked.
I fired off an email to her that just said “Hey you! It’s
Blackdragon. Remember me?” Very simple. I didn’t
expect anything to come of it and continued to focus on
other women.
She responded to my email. We emailed back and forth a bit

and told her that we should meet up. She agreed instantly.
She couldn’t meet up until after 10pm, so we met up at the
only easy place we could find and that would allow 19 yearolds
in at late hours: a local Denny’s restaurant. Hey,
whatever works. Remember, VYW don’t care about fancy
dates. Requiring fancy, expensive, or “romantic” first dates
are what older women are about. VYW could care less.
I was immediately attracted to Lauren. She was so cute, so

quiet and soft spoken. So shy. So beautiful. Extremely
intelligent and very mature for her age. Very much a
singular. Along with that face and that ass, I couldn’t wait
to get her into bed.
After her ordering water and me ordering some onion rings,

we stepped outside so she could smoke. A huge percentage
of younger women smoke cigarettes so I was used to this by
now. When she was done I kinoed her hair, hands, arms,
and eventually her face as we talked outside in the night air.
I was extremely tempted to kiss her, but I had learned by
then that kissing on the first date reduced the odds of an
eventual lay, not increased them. So I resisted. But I’ll be
honest…it was difficult.
Our second date was at my place. I don’t remember if we

went somewhere first and ended up at my place or if we just
went over to my place. I’m pretty sure we just went to my
house. Once there, we talked on my couch for a while. I
kinoed her a lot. She liked it. I tried to kiss her. She
resisted slightly but eventually we kissed and it was good.
However I could sense she was still nervous. I tried a few
more times for further escalation but decided not to push it.
So we got back in my car to take her home, but I was hungry

so we stopped at a drive-thru first and parked in a nearby
parking lot to eat. After eating in my car, my sexual desire
overcame me and I kinoed her again was she smoked outside
in the night. Soon my hands were on her ass, on her tits,
rubbing her crotch. I tried to kiss but she resisted. Odd!
Then she looked at me with glassy, hungry eyes and said in a

very quiet voice, “I’m wet.”
It finally dawned on me that like Jennifer (back in chapter

four), Lauren was one of those odd women who love sex but
are uncomfortable with kissing.
Hey, no problem! Once I figured that out (I can be dense

sometimes when my sexual desire is raging), we were back
in the car and my hand was down her pants rubbing her bare
clit. No resistance at all. She moaned and her pussy gushed.
I moved to pull her pants all the way off to fuck her right
there in my car. When her pants were about halfway down
her legs, she looked at me and asked “Right here? In your
car?” I said, “Do you want to go back to my place?” She
said, “I don’t know.”
Let me tell you something. When a woman ever answers “I

don’t know” to a sexual question, that means YES.
As soon as she said “I don’t know”, I nodded, said nothing,

pulled her pants back up, started the engine, and drove her
right back to my house. Fast.
Within about 20 seconds of us entering my house for the

second time that evening, we were having sex on my
bedroom floor. It was incredible. Her body was amazing.
She was amazing. As a very submissive girl I knew the odds
were high that she would love to be fucked hard and rough
and in a very dominant style. I was right. It was a night to
remember.
I dated Lauren consistently for over a year until her first

LSNFTE. She would come over to my place once a week
(she had her own car!) and we spent our time having deep
discussions and lots of amazing sex. Amazingly, Lauren
never gave me even a tiny drip of drama, placing her in my
short list of Favorite Women of All Time. I mean no drama,
not once, ever. Hell, even Tiffany eventually started giving
me drama eventually. So had various other low-drama
women I have dated over the years. But not Lauren. Not
once has she ever given me drama or ask about being
monogamous or complain about anything else.
Heaven.
She has LSNFTEd me a few times, but she always comes

back. As of this writing she has just turned 21. She goes
back and forth between looking for a provider-hunting and
“having fun” modes, so she she’s in provider-hunting mode,
I never see her. When the beta male AFCs have given her
enough trouble (and they always do, eventually) then I see
her a lot, and I’m a very happy guy when I do.
Ah, if only all women could be like Lauren. A man can

dream…
Epilogue
The Story Never Ends

These are the nine VYW out of the many I’ve been with
who I think demonstrate exactly the things you should and
should not do in bringing (and keeping) younger women into
your life as an older guy.
With the exception of Jennifer, every women described in

this book who I actually had sex with I am still having sex
with to this very day, even if sporadically in some cases.
Moreover, most of the women I did not have sex with I’m
still in occasional contact with, and who knows? Maybe
some will be like Madison or Lauren and we’ll consummate
years after we actually started talking. One never knows.
Of course there are many other VYW I did not write about.
Talking only about the women who were very by-the-book
and very easy, fast lays wouldn’t be as instructive for you. I
hope you’ll agree that giving you a smattering of many
different situations has been more educational.
As I get older there will be many new women in my live,

younger and older. Regarding the younger ones, I plan on
dating VYW for a very long time, well into my 50s.
One last thing. One of the reasons I included some of my

failures in this book is to demonstrate that I’m not some
unusual superman who is doing things you can never do. I
make mistakes and screw things up just like everyone else.
Every success I have had in the area of younger women as
an older man you can accomplish as well, perhaps even
better than I can. I hope this book has demonstrated not
what’s possible for me, but what’s possible for you.
Now get out there and do it. Those type twos are waiting.
~Blackdragon
The Blackdragon Dating System
Volume Five Part Three
Younger Women
Texting and IM
Transcripts
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Younger Women I Have Dated
Younger Women Texting and

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About the Transcripts 4
Transcript One: “Teresa” 5
Transcript Two: “Mandie” 11
Transcript Three: “Danni” 24
Transcript Four: “Britney” 28

About The Transcripts

For this book, I went back through all my transcripts and
text archives and pulled the best ones with younger women
that I could show you; the ones that best demonstrate what
you should do when arousing attraction, establishing
comfort, and scheduling dates. What follows are actual
transcripts of either texting (via cell phone) or online instant
messaging of actual younger women I’ve dated at some
point.
I have not edited them in any way nor have I omitted

anything in the individual messages except for two
exceptions I’ll get to in a minute. That means the spelling,
the abbreviations, all of that stuff is literally as-is, even when
the spelling errors are mine (and I try very hard not to
misspell words when talking to women since they do notice
and do judge you on it, even if they themselves are
misspelling words). I wanted to give you as real life a
picture as I could.
One of two things I omitted from the conversations were

things that were completely irrelevant to the actual thrust of
the conversation. The only other omissions and edits I made
were to protect privacy. Sometimes I had to make some
heavy omissions to ensure everyone’s anonymity, but what
you do see is a copy and paste of what was said barring a
series of letter X’s (“xxxxxxx”) which is where I had to
make a privacy edit.
As is always the case in my writings, the names of everyone

have been changed.
Here we go!
Transcript One: “Teresa”

This is a text conversation I had with “Teresa”, a tall halfblack
21 year old I dated briefly. We had already emailed
back and forth a little on MySpace, but not much, and
attempted to meet up for a date which she flaked and
canceled. This conversation picks up shortly after that.
Teresa was extremely sexual…notice how fast she jumped

onto the sexual topic as soon as I brought it up. She’s one of
the few women I got sexual with on the very first date.
Notice how I just switch the conversation to dating and then

to her and I meeting up, without looking for a conversational
segue. This is important. Lots of guys are always asking
how to “change the subject” to schedule a date or whatever.
You usually don’t need to. Just do it!
Here it is:
Teresa: hey
Blackdragon: Hey. Who is this?
Teresa: this is teresa! haha remember me?
Blackdragon: Oh yeah. How are you darling?
Teresa: Im well. although at this moment im
laying inn bed close to death cause im
soooooo hung over!
Blackdragon: I can imagine! After halloween, damn.
What were u last night?
Teresa: i was a latina lol it was great
Blackdragon: A black latina???? Haha. You smartass!
Teresa: hey people already think im a mexican i
figured why not
Blackdragon: What the hell? You don't look mexican at
all. Weird.
Teresa: i know! haha how was ur night?
Blackdragon: It was fun. Took my little one
trickortrearing, then went to a party until
about 2am. Lotta hot slutty chicks on

halloween lol.
Teresa: nice!
Blackdragon: How's your dating / sex life been?
Teresa: its been good. nothing to exciting but good
;-) how about urs?
Blackdragon: I never go without sex for long stretches. I
just can't. Dating has been OK. Cool
people but no one amazing.
Teresa: yep i know what u mean
Blackdragon: Sometimes its a pain to have a really high
sex drive. :)
Teresa: lol yyyep but thats why god gave us sex
toys ;-) well for me anyways
Blackdragon: Ah. All I have are furry handcuffs. :).
What kind of vibrator do you have?
Teresa: haha im a lady, i dont kiss and tell
Blackdragon: Haha. So uptight! Lol!!!!!! Probably
don't want to use it too much
anyway....might blunt ur sexual skills.
Teresa: lol yyyyeah right
Blackdragon: Haha. We should get together sometime.
Teresa: definitely, go out have a drink
Blackdragon: Can u drink? How old are you now?
Teresa: 21
Blackdragon: Cool. You're part of the human race now
lol.
Teresa: i know! thats how i feel! haha finally a big
kid
Blackdragon: When are you free next?
Teresa: when ever ;-)
Blackdragon: Tonight? Or are you still going to be
hungover?
Teresa: haha definitely not tonight... i don't plan
on leaving my bed
Blackdragon: That's kinda what I thought. :) I'll hit you
up tomorrow or Tues then.
Teresa: sounds good to me! so what are u doing

today?
Blackdragon: I'm going to clean the house and then go
play blackjack at the casino. :)
Teresa: Fun! we should go out the coast
Blackdragon: Yeah. That would be cool. The coast is
fun.
Teresa: Yep, go to the casino
Blackdragon: I'm a big blackjack player. I'm in vegas a
lot too. I'm thinking about going pro.
Teresa: Nice!! im pretty good at blackjact
Blackdragon: Cool.
Teresa: Yes sir
<I did not respond. About 15 minutes later she resumed the
conversation.>
Teresa: sooooooo whats up hott stuff
Blackdragon: Wondering how you would be in bed.
Teresa: Lol oh yeah
Blackdragon: Yeah.
Blackdragon: I wouldn't know since I've never been with
a black chick. :)
Teresa: What do u think?
Blackdragon: Like I said, I don't know. Maybe you're
terrible. Maybe you're really prude. Maybe
you're great. I don't know.
Teresa: Lol oh i see
Teresa: so what are u like in bed?
Blackdragon: I'm very dominant.
Teresa: Yum
Blackdragon: If you're a good girl maybe you'll find out.
Teresa: Oh u want a good girl do u?
Blackdragon: A good girl does what she's told in bed. ;)
Teresa: mmmhm
<Two days later.>
Blackdragon: Hey you.

Teresa: Hey
Blackdragon: Workin or going to school today?
Teresa: Both
Blackdragon: Damn. Ur busy.
Teresa: Only until like 6
Blackdragon: U want to hang tonight? Its my last free
eve this week.
Teresa: Sure what do u want to go?
Blackdragon: What part of town will you be coming
from?
Teresa: Ne
Blackdragon: Let's grab a drink then.
Teresa: when and where?
Blackdragon: Ever been to xxxxxxx?
Teresa: Yep
Blackdragon: It will be a little later, like 8 ish.
Teresa: Ok
Blackdragon: You sure you can make it tonight?
Blackdragon: Sometimes you flake, Darling. :)
Teresa: Yeah
Teresa: haha yeah yeah
Blackdragon: Haha. You dork! Ok. Lol
Teresa: lol ur a dork!!
Blackdragon: I know!!!!! :)
Blackdragon: I'll text u later on the eve to give a specific
time. I'm guessing 8 but it could be a little
later. Cool?
Teresa: i guess so :-)
Blackdragon: K
<About three hours later.>
Blackdragon: Want to meet there in 30 min?
Teresa: im having dinner with my girlfriends, how
about 830?
Blackdragon: Ok.
Teresa: prefect ;-) see u then
Blackdragon: ;)
<We met up for the first date, talked four about an hour, then
ended up in the back seat of my car where we made out, I
sucked her tits, fingered her, and did a bunch of other fun
stuff, but didn’t get to actual sex. A few hours later, way
into the late evening, she texts me…>
Teresa: thanks for a fun night
Blackdragon: Anytime. ;)
Teresa: so what are u doing now?
Blackdragon: Just went to bed. My fun is over for the
eve lol
Teresa: oh no! haha im heading to bed soon
Blackdragon: U can stay up late tonight. I can't. Sux. :)
Teresa: I know, to bad we couldnt "talk" more
Blackdragon: Yes. We should continue our
'conversation' soon.
Teresa: Haha yeah? think u can have fun with me?
Blackdragon: I'm not 100 percent sure about you yet, but
so far so good. :)
Teresa: Haha whats that mean?
Blackdragon: Its all good, trust me.
Teresa: Haha okay good
Blackdragon: Mmmmm. It is. But I'm falling asleep so
I'll have to ttyl.
Teresa: Okay sweet dreams. Ttyl
<Two days later.>
Blackdragon: I told your story about your ex and his gf
getting in your face and what you did to a
friend of mine. She said 'That's awesome!'.
:)
Teresa: ahahahah! Nice
Blackdragon: You're such a little badass.

Teresa: lol oh u think so huh?
Blackdragon: Well...I know your skin tastes good.
Teresa: haha oh yeah?
Blackdragon: Mmmmm.
Teresa: do what did u think of me in general?
Blackdragon: I think you should see me sunday or
monday eve.
Teresa: haha okay, but what did u think of me? lol
Blackdragon: I think so far so good. We got along well
that night.
Teresa: yeah we did haha
We had sex the next time we met. We hooked up for a few
weeks as pure FBs until she floated away. She’s a perfect
example of a woman who is sexual right from the get-go.
Some younger women will be this easy, as long as you put in
the numbers.
Transcript Two: “Mandie”

Mandie was a 19 year-old college freshman I met on Yahoo
Personals back when it was still around (it’s long gone now).
I was 36 at the time. You can see in the conversation how I
handled the age difference. We had a very fast first date at a
Starbucks that was less than 45 minutes, then had sex on the
second date in less than two hours.
This is a transcript of a Yahoo Messenger IM conversation

we had right after she responded to my opener on the
personals site, so this is literally the first communication we
ever had (other than two or three emails on the dating site).
Blackdragon (8:56:30 PM): Had a nice day today?

Mandie (8:56:44 PM): yeah it was pretty great
Mandie (8:56:47 PM): what about you?
Blackdragon (8:57:04 PM): Oh yeah. I'm glad to be back to
"stuff" after all the damn snow.
Blackdragon (8:57:05 PM): :)
Mandie (8:57:16 PM): haha
Mandie (8:57:27 PM): i spent most of it on the beach in
xxxxxx.
Blackdragon (8:57:34 PM): Where? xxxxxxx?
Mandie (8:57:38 PM): xxxxxxxxx
Blackdragon (8:57:48 PM): Hm...I've never been there...is it
nice?
Mandie (8:57:59 PM): it's a small little beach town
Mandie (8:58:09 PM): kinda like xxxxxxx maybe?
Blackdragon (8:58:12 PM): Ah.
Mandie (8:58:14 PM): more quiant though
Blackdragon (8:58:23 PM): Do you have family there? Or
friends?
Mandie (8:58:42 PM): yeah my moms side of the family was
born and raised there
Blackdragon (8:58:51 PM): Did you grow up here then?
Mandie (8:59:06 PM): born in xxxxxxxxxx

Mandie (8:59:17 PM): lived there till was 8
Mandie (8:59:27 PM): then i was adopted by my
grandmother and moved here
Mandie (8:59:29 PM): =]
Blackdragon (8:59:33 PM): Really?
Mandie (8:59:34 PM): what an opening eh?
Blackdragon (8:59:39 PM): Why adopted???
Mandie (8:59:54 PM): my birth mom couldn't provide
Mandie (9:00:02 PM): was a drugie and and all that
Blackdragon (9:00:11 PM): Crap. Do you live alone now or
with Grandma?
Mandie (9:00:20 PM): grandmother
Blackdragon (9:00:26 PM): To you have sibs?
Mandie (9:00:28 PM): it's a nice set up
Mandie (9:00:35 PM): yeah a younger brother
Blackdragon (9:00:56 PM): Wow...is your Grandma the type
that lets you do whatever you want? Or is she strict?
Mandie (9:01:16 PM): we used to butt heads a lot
Mandie (9:01:23 PM): but we get along fine now
Blackdragon (9:01:29 PM): Yeah...you seem strong-willed.
Mandie (9:01:33 PM): so long as i'm not pushing drugs or
anything
Blackdragon (9:01:42 PM): Yeah, that's good. :)
Mandie (9:01:48 PM): tell me about yourself now
Mandie (9:01:57 PM): i just gave you an epic story
Mandie (9:02:00 PM): =]
Blackdragon (9:02:04 PM): I'm a professional javelin
catcher.
Blackdragon (9:02:11 PM): JK
Mandie (9:02:12 PM): really?
Mandie (9:02:14 PM): haha
Mandie (9:02:16 PM): k good
Blackdragon (9:02:21 PM): I'm actually a calculator
repairman.
Blackdragon (9:02:26 PM): JK again.
Blackdragon (9:02:33 PM): What would you like to know?
Mandie (9:02:47 PM): where were you raised?

Mandie (9:02:53 PM): how did you end up here?
Blackdragon (9:03:01 PM): I was born here, been here my
whole life....
Blackdragon (9:03:10 PM): That's probably why I travel as
much as I do...
Blackdragon (9:03:16 PM): I was born at xxxxxx hospital in
xxxxxxxxx.
Mandie (9:03:16 PM): where have you been?
Blackdragon (9:03:47 PM): Mm...all over. All over the US,
Asia, Mexico, etc.
Mandie (9:03:56 PM): been to europe?
Blackdragon (9:04:07 PM): I work with CEO's and CFO's
on how to run their companies, and sometimes they are
outside of the country.
Mandie (9:04:13 PM): right
Blackdragon (9:04:13 PM): Yes, Germany and a few other
spots.
Blackdragon (9:04:20 PM): No, that part is true.
Mandie (9:04:22 PM): i love europe
Blackdragon (9:04:44 PM): I'm also a professional speaker
and do lots of speeches and seminars and things like that.
Mandie (9:04:46 PM): haven't been to germany yet though
Blackdragon (9:04:52 PM): I speak very broken German. :)
Mandie (9:04:54 PM): that's cool
Mandie (9:05:02 PM): is that what you've always wanted to
do?
Blackdragon (9:05:11 PM): Oh yeah...it was my plan all
along.
Mandie (9:05:18 PM): that's good
Blackdragon (9:05:22 PM): Took me a while to get there,
but now it's all good.
Mandie (9:05:28 PM): great
Mandie (9:05:33 PM): that's good for you
Blackdragon (9:05:33 PM): Go to Vegas a lot too.
Mandie (9:05:35 PM): =]
Mandie (9:05:39 PM): oh vegas

Blackdragon (9:05:57 PM): I have a regular room at xxxxxx.
It's incredible.
Mandie (9:06:08 PM): you lucky guy
Mandie (9:06:11 PM): shucks
Blackdragon (9:06:14 PM): Aw, shucks!
Blackdragon (9:06:16 PM): Haha.
Mandie (9:06:18 PM): =]
Blackdragon (9:06:27 PM): Are you working or in school
right now?
Mandie (9:06:31 PM): school
Mandie (9:06:48 PM): working + school doesn't really mix
too well
Blackdragon (9:07:04 PM): I agree. It's a real bitch to do
both. Then you have no life at all.
Mandie (9:07:11 PM): exactly
Mandie (9:07:13 PM): this way
Mandie (9:07:18 PM): i have some sort of personal life
Blackdragon (9:07:26 PM): Have you been dating?
Mandie (9:07:34 PM): well
Mandie (9:07:44 PM): for most of college i was a
relationship
Mandie (9:07:53 PM): but he goes to school in la
Mandie (9:08:10 PM): we only just broke up a few months
ago, so I'm trying it out
Mandie (9:08:33 PM): i know your profile said you don't
wanna hear about ex's and drama, so that's all i'm gonna say
about that
Blackdragon (9:08:41 PM): Good!
Blackdragon (9:08:47 PM): How long have you been single
then?
Mandie (9:08:48 PM): i hate drama
Blackdragon (9:08:52 PM): SO DO I.
Mandie (9:08:58 PM): since november?
Mandie (9:09:03 PM): yeah

Blackdragon (9:09:05 PM): Any dating since then or no?
Mandie (9:09:14 PM): i have seen a guy or two
Mandie (9:09:23 PM): but none that i identify with
Blackdragon (9:09:51 PM): Yeah, you come off as
intelligent and forceful. Maybe some guys can't relate.
Blackdragon (9:09:56 PM): And you cant relate to them.
Mandie (9:09:57 PM): i guess
Mandie (9:10:01 PM): i have no idea
Blackdragon (9:10:11 PM): How long where you in that
relationship then?
Blackdragon (9:10:15 PM): were
Mandie (9:10:21 PM): two years
Blackdragon (9:10:24 PM): Wow.
Blackdragon (9:10:25 PM): Long time.
Mandie (9:10:30 PM): yep
Blackdragon (9:10:35 PM): Did it end badly or OK?
Mandie (9:10:43 PM): badly for me, ok for him
Mandie (9:10:48 PM): i never saw it coming
Blackdragon (9:10:49 PM): Mmm.
Blackdragon (9:10:53 PM): Ug.
Mandie (9:10:55 PM): but whatever
Blackdragon (9:10:56 PM): Yuck.
Blackdragon (9:10:58 PM): I know the feeling.
Mandie (9:11:13 PM): it stinks, but that's life and you move
on
Blackdragon (9:11:33 PM): That's right. Actually, it means
there is someone out there better for you. Someone more
compatible, and more desirable to you.
Mandie (9:11:49 PM): exactly
Mandie (9:12:02 PM): that and i'm young
Mandie (9:12:14 PM): so why tie myself to the first guy
right?
Blackdragon (9:12:21 PM): True...
Mandie (9:12:29 PM): *shrug*
Blackdragon (9:12:43 PM): I didn't read how old you

are...how old is "young"?
Mandie (9:12:51 PM): 20 in may
Blackdragon (9:12:59 PM): HOLY CRAP.
Blackdragon (9:13:01 PM): You're 19???
Mandie (9:13:08 PM): >.<
Mandie (9:13:09 PM): gah
Mandie (9:13:11 PM): only in age
Blackdragon (9:13:13 PM): Wow.
Mandie (9:13:16 PM): legal
Mandie (9:13:17 PM): age
Blackdragon (9:13:22 PM): You don't come off like that
young at all.
Mandie (9:13:23 PM): not mental age
Blackdragon (9:13:24 PM): I'm shocked.
Blackdragon (9:13:32 PM): Holy crapola.
Blackdragon (9:13:33 PM): Hm.
Mandie (9:13:35 PM): i hate it
Mandie (9:13:38 PM): i hate being 19
Mandie (9:13:45 PM): it's such a road block
Blackdragon (9:14:06 PM): I understand...
Blackdragon (9:14:13 PM): You're aware of how old I am,
right?
Mandie (9:14:19 PM): 35 yes?
Blackdragon (9:14:23 PM): 36, but yeah.
Blackdragon (9:14:37 PM): I mention that because lots of
women can't handle an older guy.
Mandie (9:14:45 PM): older guys have no drama
Mandie (9:14:51 PM): and aren't in just for sex
Blackdragon (9:14:56 PM): Correct on both counts.
Mandie (9:15:00 PM): some might be
Mandie (9:15:04 PM): but most aren't
Blackdragon (9:15:27 PM): I don't do drama, EVER. If a
woman wants to do drama, I just tell her "There's the door".
Mandie (9:15:37 PM): yes
Mandie (9:15:45 PM): leave the baggage at the airport

Blackdragon (9:15:48 PM): Haha
Mandie (9:17:11 PM): all those damn air heads ruin it for the
rest of us
Blackdragon (9:17:24 PM): That's why I have my Big Four.
Blackdragon (9:17:33 PM): The four things I look for in a
woman.
Mandie (9:17:34 PM): big four?
Mandie (9:17:38 PM): please explain
Blackdragon (9:17:45 PM): In no particular order....
Blackdragon (9:18:07 PM): 1) Smart. She's got to be smart
or I can't relate to her. Probably the most important....
Blackdragon (9:18:15 PM): 2) Hot. (I'm still a guy after all)
Blackdragon (9:18:23 PM): 3) Likes frequent sex
Blackdragon (9:18:28 PM): 4) Not a bitch...I don't do drama.
Mandie (9:18:37 PM): those a four legit things
Blackdragon (9:18:39 PM): That covers ALL the bases..
Mandie (9:18:48 PM): it does
Blackdragon (9:18:59 PM): Many women have two or three
of those things, but very few have all four.
Mandie (9:19:13 PM): ok
Mandie (9:19:15 PM): so hot
Mandie (9:19:16 PM): like
Mandie (9:19:21 PM): hot face...
Mandie (9:19:23 PM): hot bod
Mandie (9:19:26 PM): totaly package?
Mandie (9:19:33 PM): total*
Blackdragon (9:19:36 PM): Both are ideal....
Blackdragon (9:19:44 PM): But if she has a really hot bod,
for example...
Blackdragon (9:19:50 PM): And her face is so-so, it's OK...
Blackdragon (9:19:54 PM): and vice versa.
Mandie (9:19:58 PM): i see
Mandie (9:20:07 PM): there's hope for the rest of us then
Mandie (9:20:09 PM): =]
Blackdragon (9:20:25 PM): Your pics look OK...they're a

little small. Do you consider yourself not hot?
Mandie (9:20:42 PM): i have a great face
Mandie (9:20:47 PM): and really great boobs
Mandie (9:20:51 PM): not gonna lie
Mandie (9:21:06 PM): but the rest isn't jessica alba or
antyhing you know
Mandie (9:21:17 PM): you can facebook me if you want
better pictures
Blackdragon (9:21:38 PM): OK...what's your facebook (and
myspace)...I'm on both.
Mandie (9:22:05 PM): xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Blackdragon (9:22:31 PM): k...I'll send you a friend
request...hang on.
Mandie (9:22:43 PM): and for face book my email
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Blackdragon (9:23:48 PM): Looks like you moved your
friend request thingy. Send one to me.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Blackdragon (9:24:40 PM): k just sent you one on facebook.
Mandie (9:25:30 PM): fb has the better photos...
Blackdragon (9:25:54 PM): I do have a pretty good face.
Blackdragon (9:25:58 PM): YOU do I mean.
Mandie (9:26:08 PM): ah, why thank you
Blackdragon (9:26:19 PM): Define "great boobs"
Mandie (9:26:43 PM): there's plenty of them
Blackdragon (9:26:54 PM): In your opinion I mean.
Mandie (9:27:02 PM): and they don't come down to my
waist or anything
Blackdragon (9:27:03 PM): I know what MY opinon of
"Great boobs" are :)
Blackdragon (9:27:09 PM): They don't sag huh?
Mandie (9:27:10 PM): i like them
Mandie (9:27:15 PM): i think they look great
Blackdragon (9:27:18 PM): C cup?

Mandie (9:27:25 PM): honey
Mandie (9:27:27 PM): no way
Mandie (9:27:31 PM): DD
Blackdragon (9:27:36 PM): WHAT???
Blackdragon (9:27:39 PM): And you're 19?
Mandie (9:27:47 PM): runs in the family
Blackdragon (9:28:04 PM): Interesting.
Mandie (9:28:11 PM): i'm xxxxxxxx
Mandie (9:28:13 PM): i guess
Mandie (9:28:17 PM): so i've been told
Mandie (9:28:24 PM): and that's to blame
Mandie (9:28:28 PM): or not thank
Mandie (9:28:33 PM): or thank*
Blackdragon (9:28:56 PM): I think I just got you on
Facebook. I'll look...
Blackdragon (9:29:16 PM): Tell me what you think the best
pic of you is.
Blackdragon (9:29:19 PM): On facebook.
Mandie (9:29:19 PM): fb is the place to be
Blackdragon (9:29:27 PM): ...and I'll look at it.
Mandie (9:29:34 PM): under the album xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Blackdragon (9:29:35 PM): I see your albums now.
Blackdragon (9:29:37 PM): k
Mandie (9:29:39 PM): any of those is good
Blackdragon (9:30:14 PM): No bad.
Blackdragon (9:30:21 PM): It's so hard to tell from pics
though.
Blackdragon (9:30:24 PM): But they do give you an idea.
Mandie (9:30:29 PM): mmhmm
Blackdragon (9:30:35 PM): Not bad I mean. Damn typing.
Blackdragon (9:31:36 PM): How tall are you?
Mandie (9:31:44 PM): 5'7"
Blackdragon (9:31:50 PM): Yeah, OK.
Mandie (9:31:55 PM): you?

Blackdragon (9:32:01 PM): 6'0"
Mandie (9:32:19 PM): nice
Mandie (9:32:33 PM): i have trouble taking guys shorter
than me seriously
Mandie (9:32:43 PM): i don't know why...
Blackdragon (9:33:00 PM): No, I understand. That would
be tough when you're a woman.
Blackdragon (9:33:11 PM): I guess I'd feel weird if I was a
woman with a guy shorter than me too.
Blackdragon (9:33:28 PM): My daughter's texting me...
Blackdragon (9:33:33 PM): I'm multitasking...
Blackdragon (9:33:34 PM): LOL
Mandie (9:33:42 PM): aw, how old is she?
Blackdragon (9:33:46 PM): She's 10
Mandie (9:33:49 PM): name?
Blackdragon (9:33:51 PM): xxxxxxxxx
Mandie (9:33:55 PM): =]
Mandie (9:33:59 PM): pretty
Blackdragon (9:34:13 PM): Yeah, I have 2 kids. That's the
extent of my baggage.
Mandie (9:34:25 PM): what about the other one?
Blackdragon (9:34:42 PM): xxxxxxxxxx is my son. He's 17
but he's not biologically mine if the age throws you. I just
consider him mine.
Mandie (9:34:51 PM): ah
Mandie (9:34:56 PM): i know the feeling
Blackdragon (9:35:13 PM): So you're cool dating a 36 year
old guy if we meet and we hit it off?
Blackdragon (9:35:23 PM): That's IF we hit it off.
Mandie (9:35:38 PM): it's the norm, but i don't see why the
age should matter
Mandie (9:35:40 PM): really
Blackdragon (9:35:46 PM): It doesn't to me.
Mandie (9:35:51 PM): me either

Blackdragon (9:35:52 PM): As long as it doesn't to you.
Blackdragon (9:35:53 PM): Good.
Mandie (9:35:56 PM): nope
Mandie (9:35:58 PM): not at all
Blackdragon (9:36:06 PM): When are your school hours
normally?
Mandie (9:36:25 PM): mon/wed/fri 11:15 to 3
Mandie (9:36:43 PM): and tue/thur pretty much all day...but
a few hours in between
Blackdragon (9:36:58 PM): Let me check my schedule for
this week then...
<We then had a brief back-and-forth on scheduling a first
date. We nailed down a date and time, but not a place
yet….>
Mandie (9:42:16 PM): i went to college in high school
Mandie (9:42:22 PM): so i'm a junior
Blackdragon (9:42:28 PM): WOW. And you're 19???
Blackdragon (9:42:30 PM): Damn.
Mandie (9:42:34 PM): yep
Blackdragon (9:42:40 PM): Smart. Good.
Mandie (9:42:43 PM): i'm not fluffling arounf
Mandie (9:42:46 PM): around*
Mandie (9:42:52 PM): fluffing*
Mandie (9:42:54 PM): gosh
Blackdragon (9:43:02 PM): Stop doing those drugs.
Mandie (9:43:02 PM): tonight is not a good typing night
Blackdragon (9:43:28 PM): OK...hang on...I'm looking for a
place to meet downtown.
<My bad. I should have instantly had a place to suggest
from a pre-researched list. However this was a few years
ago and my system was not yet perfected at this point.>
Blackdragon (9:43:40 PM): Can't do a bar since one of us is

underage.
Mandie (9:43:43 PM): drugs?
Mandie (9:43:46 PM): how did you know
Mandie (9:43:51 PM): pfft
Blackdragon (9:43:57 PM): Weed? Cool.
Mandie (9:44:11 PM): i'm lucky to ditch my middle school
lunch break
Mandie (9:44:38 PM): weed?
Mandie (9:44:40 PM): really?
Mandie (9:44:43 PM): you're good =]
Blackdragon (9:44:50 PM): I was right aren't I?
Mandie (9:44:58 PM): hit the nail on the head
Mandie (9:45:02 PM): nah man
Blackdragon (9:45:19 PM): Still looking for a spot. Hang
on...
Mandie (9:45:36 PM): hey man, i'm down for just a cup of
joe
Blackdragon (9:45:42 PM): Exactly.
Mandie (9:45:48 PM): doesn't have to be fancy
Mandie (9:45:56 PM): starbucks on xxxxxx and xxxxxxx
Blackdragon (9:45:58 PM): Yeah, I'm looking at the
Starbucks down there.
Blackdragon (9:46:07 PM): Yeah, let's do that.
Mandie (9:46:10 PM): kk
Blackdragon (9:46:26 PM): Unless it's one of those that gets
really super croweded because of the campus being so close.
Blackdragon (9:46:37 PM): crowded
Mandie (9:46:39 PM): nah
Mandie (9:46:41 PM): not super
Mandie (9:46:49 PM): it's usually pretty chill at that one
Blackdragon (9:46:56 PM): OK. My cell is xxx.xxx.xxxx.
Mandie (9:47:03 PM): do you text?
Blackdragon (9:47:08 PM): Hell yeah. Any time.
Blackdragon (9:47:29 PM): Do you go by xxxxx?
Mandie (9:47:52 PM): it really doesn't matter

Blackdragon (9:47:54 PM): You're eclectic.
Mandie (9:47:57 PM): xxxxxxx was more high school
Blackdragon (9:47:58 PM): As they say.
Mandie (9:48:02 PM): =]
Mandie (9:48:06 PM): xxxxxxx is fine
Mandie (9:48:09 PM): it's easy
Blackdragon (9:48:23 PM): OK...I need to go pick up my
daughter it looks like....
Blackdragon (9:48:32 PM): So I'm going to log off here in a
min...
Mandie (9:48:37 PM): mmkay
Blackdragon (9:48:38 PM): You've got my number....
Mandie (9:48:41 PM): yes
Mandie (9:48:43 PM): oh
Mandie (9:48:51 PM): mine is xxx xxx xxxx
Blackdragon (9:48:54 PM): Cool.
Mandie (9:48:59 PM): sorry
Mandie (9:49:04 PM): i was thinking about that then forgot
Blackdragon (9:49:08 PM): Starbucks on xxxx and xxxx at
2:30pm tomorrow, right?
Mandie (9:49:12 PM): yep yep
Mandie (9:49:25 PM): throw me text when you're there or
almost there
Blackdragon (9:49:32 PM): OK....
Blackdragon (9:49:48 PM): I shall.
Mandie (9:49:50 PM): =]
Mandie (9:49:58 PM): take care tonight, drive safe
Blackdragon (9:50:03 PM): You to.
Blackdragon (9:50:04 PM): Night.
Mandie (9:50:08 PM): peace
Our Starbucks date was less than one hour. Our second date
was walking around the mall and then sex at my place,
within about two hours. She was right, her boobs really
were DD’s…
Transcript Three: “Danni”

This is the same Danni I talk about in the Younger Woman
Case Studies book that accompanies this book package. She
was a 22 year-old gal, dark hair, dark eyes, milky white skin
with an amazing, damn near perfect body. As you’ve
probably already read in the case studies book, we got sexual
but once I started seeing her I screwed up badly in several
areas. However her transcript is still instructional. It’s our
first IM conversation after a brief email back-and-forth over
Plenty of Fish right after a recent snowstorm.
Danni (11:38:09 AM): not sure if its been 10 mins or not

Blackdragon (11:38:30 AM): :)
Blackdragon (11:38:36 AM): Give me like one minute
here...
Danni (11:38:46 AM): take your time im gunna brush my
teeth then
Danni (11:49:34 AM): sorry im in the middle of doing my
hair
Blackdragon (11:49:50 AM): Haha. Hey, hair's important. :)
Danni (11:50:19 AM): yes it is haha. our house keeper is
coming soon so I need to be out of the house soon or at least
out of the bathroom
Danni (11:50:20 AM): haha
Blackdragon (11:50:44 AM): Well I'm done with my other
stuff for the moment. Just let me know when you're done.
Danni (11:52:36 AM): illl just be back and forth since my
straightner sucks I need to let it reheat
Danni (11:52:48 AM): I havent even figured out if I can
make it out of my driveway yet haha
Blackdragon (11:53:13 AM): Yep, I was out shoveling a few
days ago. Looks like I'll have to do it again.
Blackdragon (11:53:21 AM): What were you saying about
that last guy you dated?
Danni (11:53:31 AM): oh he disappointed me
Blackdragon (11:53:38 AM): He cheated?

Blackdragon (11:53:55 AM): (guys do that a lot)
Danni (11:53:59 AM): well we werent very official
Blackdragon (11:54:12 AM): Well, that's different then.
Danni (11:54:14 AM): but he pursued the shit out of me and
then backed off a bit
Danni (11:54:26 AM): claims to still want me but whatever
Blackdragon (11:54:30 AM): How did he dissapoint you
then?
Danni (11:54:38 AM): he posted a pic online of him making
out with some chick
Danni (11:54:46 AM): but they were "just taking funny pics"
Danni (11:54:54 AM): whatever I really don't care not worth
my time
Blackdragon (11:55:01 AM): How old is this guy? Under
25?
Danni (11:55:03 AM): I am not one to complain about the
past
Danni (11:55:07 AM): past is the past
Danni (11:55:08 AM): yes
Blackdragon (11:55:19 AM): I just realized you are 22. You
know how old I am?
Danni (11:55:46 AM): yes
Danni (11:56:00 AM): I usually date older guys, my dad was
16 years older than my mom no biggie to me
Blackdragon (11:56:15 AM): Ah, OK. Some women can't
handle other guys.
Danni (11:56:29 AM): you mean older?
Blackdragon (11:56:37 AM): I'm a dork. Yeah. older.
Danni (11:57:18 AM): gotcha so what are you looking for
exactly?
Danni (11:57:22 AM): sorry im kinda upfront and blunt
Blackdragon (11:57:43 AM): Holy crap, why are you sorry
about that? That's a good thing.
Blackdragon (11:57:47 AM): What I want...
Blackdragon (11:58:21 AM): I've been able to narrow it

down to 4 big things. It's an over simplification, but this
way I can screen potentials better. :)
Blackdragon (11:58:53 AM): In no particular order (they're
all equally important)
Blackdragon (11:58:57 AM): 1. Smart.
Blackdragon (11:59:00 AM): 2. Hot.
Blackdragon (11:59:08 AM): 3. Sexually comfortable.
Blackdragon (11:59:11 AM): 4. Not a bitch.
Blackdragon (11:59:24 AM): Lots of women have 2 or 3 of
the 4, but very few women have all 4.
Danni (12:06:57 PM): well how do you think I fair so far?
Danni (12:07:07 PM): to help you with one
Danni (12:07:19 PM): I am going to school to get my
doctorate in pharmacy
Blackdragon (12:07:27 PM): Really.
Danni (12:07:34 PM): so I like to think I have some sort of
smarts
Danni (12:07:49 PM): and I got a b in my macroeconomics
class ( I think that was a miracle though)
Danni (12:08:03 PM): and I probably could have gotten an a
if I put a little more effort into studying haha
Blackdragon (12:08:19 PM): What is it about pharmacy that
attracts you?
Danni (12:09:28 PM): well I was in xxxxxxxxxxx
Danni (12:09:34 PM): as a xxxxxxxxx
Danni (12:09:45 PM): and we did alot of the xxxxxxxx work
on the weekends
Danni (12:10:18 PM): and I love it, I love being one of the
people who can provide relief to people who are ill/in pain
ect
Blackdragon (12:10:59 PM): How many more years before
you get the PhD? Are you working too?
Danni (12:11:51 PM): im at <college> right now getting me
pre reqs out of the way which another year and a half or so
and then xxxxxxx university for pharmacy school is 3 years
Danni (12:12:10 PM): and I am a xxxxx at xxxxxxxxxx but

looking for a job as a pharmacy tech
Blackdragon (12:12:57 PM): Hm. Smart is good. I HATE
dumb bimbos. I've dated enough of those. Drive me nuts.
Danni (12:13:28 PM): haha well if you make good money
like you say you do I can imagine you would attract a few of
those
Blackdragon (12:13:40 PM): All the more reaons I have to
screen women carefully. :)
Blackdragon (12:13:54 PM): Plus intelligence is attractive.
Danni (12:13:55 PM): yea I can understand that
Danni (12:14:07 PM): yes it is, that goes both ways
Danni (12:14:16 PM): oh and I have a really hard time being
a bitch
Danni (12:14:25 PM): it can be a curse and a blessing at the
same time
Blackdragon (12:14:58 PM): Haha. I don't know about
that...not being a bitch is hard for a lot of women. Bitchy
moments are OK. Everyone has those. It's the bitchy
overall attitude that I don't like.
Danni (12:18:37 PM): haha no I am not like that
Danni (12:18:47 PM): I am sure people say that all the time
but im really not
Blackdragon (12:19:40 PM): OK. I'm officially curious.
Are you out of town next week?
Danni (12:20:24 PM): no but I have a friend coming in to
town
Danni (12:20:59 PM): hey not sure if you are ok with this
but my number is xxx-xxx-xxxx if you want to text me you
can if not then I will talk to you on here later tonight
Danni (12:21:06 PM): cause I gotta head out the door
Blackdragon (12:21:25 PM): I'll text or call you later then.
Drive safe.
Danni (12:21:34 PM): thanks ill try, ciao
Blackdragon (12:21:35 PM): Wait! What's your name?
Danni (12:21:38 PM): Danni
Blackdragon (12:21:45 PM): k. TTYL
Transcript Four: “Britney”

Britney is hands-down one of the best looking women I’ve
ever had sex with in my life, and that’s saying something.
At the time of this transcript she was 19 years old. Picture
Britney Spears at age 19 except with brown hair instead of
blonde, that was “Britney.” She was a huge victory for me
at the time, especially considering she was quite nervous to
meet up with me in the beginning (as many VYW are) and
was somewhat concerned about the age difference.
Britney was one of my first VWY, and I was still getting the
hang of things in terms of attracting VWY. Reading over
this conversation now, years later, it’s clear I was way too
verbose in this conversation. I can tell I was trying a little
too hard (at least for me). I actually cringe a little as I read
it. Regardless, this conversation did “work” so I still wanted
to show it to you. Just realize I would have done things
differently today, namely I would have talked less, had her
talk more, and would have ended the conversation much
more quickly.
This was our first IM conversation after a few on Yahoo

Personals (I think. It may have been fPlenty of Fish
instead…not sure on this one, but my memory of her was
Yahoo.) The conversation was so long I have removed a
few chunks that I deemed irrelevant (and that were probably
not good examples of what to do anyway).
Blackdragon: Hiya
Britney: Hey there
Britney: How's it going?
Blackdragon: Busy!!! I'm headed down to the xxxx in a
bit. Some friends want to party on a
Sunday night!!!! Too bad I have a life or I
could stay out late.
Britney: Well hopefully you have a good time : )

Have work in the AM?
Blackdragon: Somewhat. I set my own schedule. So I
have work to do, but I could sleep in a
little. :)
Britney: Well that is nice for you
Britney: wish I could say the same!
Blackdragon: Yes, it is. :)
Blackdragon: Do you work or are you in school?
Britney: I work, I am a xxxxxxx.
Blackdragon: You must love kids then.
Britney: I do love kids : ) very much so
<We talk a bit about her love for kids.>
Blackdragon: Have you been dating a lot or a little or not
at all, lately?
Britney: Just a little bit lately, had some first dates
and not really hit it off well enough to go
for another
Britney: how about yourself?
Blackdragon: I date. Havn't found that one person yet
though. I'm picky though, so most of that
is my fault.
Britney: I am picky as well, it is the way to be
Blackdragon: It is. I won't settle in my next big
relationship. But until she comes, I don't
mind dating. Most people hate it (and I
guess I understand).
Britney: Yeah, dating can be draining
Blackdragon: Hell yes!!!
Blackdragon: It's a nessessary evil though. The higher
standards you have for that one person, the
more numbers you have to put into the big
'ol dating funnel. And my standards are
high so I just accept that I'll be on a lot of
first (and maybe second) dates for a while.
Britney: Do many ladies make it to date 2? : )

Blackdragon: Oh, about 40 out of the last 150 or so.
Blackdragon: :)
Blackdragon: jk
Britney: haha, that is a lot of first dates!
Britney: Are you sure you are joking?
Britney: : )
Blackdragon: Ok, maybe about the last 120 or so.
Blackdragon: :)
Britney: Very nice
Blackdragon: Hey, a guy's gotta date, ya know?
Blackdragon: :)
Blackdragon: Yes, I'm a smartass.
Britney: I do know, smartass is ok with me :)
Blackdragon: Speaking of smartass..
Blackdragon: How smart would you say you are on a
scale from 1 to 10? And BE HONEST.
Britney: 9.
Blackdragon: Are you being on honest? Or just not
humble?
Blackdragon: :)
Britney: I am being honest. I think I am a very
smart girl.
Blackdragon: And why would you say that?
Blackdragon: Or should I say, TYPE that?
Britney: Because I am confident that I am a smart
young lady : ) How else am I supposed to
answer that?
Blackdragon: Heh
Blackdragon: You're supposed to answer that in a smart
way.
Blackdragon: Haha
Blackdragon: I can tell that you're confident though.
<We talk a bit about her school and her grades>
Blackdragon: How old are you?
Blackdragon: Please don't tell me you're like 15 or

something.
Blackdragon: :)
Blackdragon: ....or 57 or something.
<Long pause before she reponds>
Britney: 19
Blackdragon: OMG, 19????
Blackdragon: Wow.
Blackdragon: You're a baby.
Blackdragon: Do you know how old I am?
Britney: 30's
Britney: I am young, I typically date older men
though
Blackdragon: I'm 36. Can you handle an older guy?
Lots of women can't.
Britney: I can handle just about anyone : )
Blackdragon: Heh.
Blackdragon: Historically, I've dated all ages, including
pretty young. There are pro's and cons to
every age group.
Britney: I agree.
Blackdragon: I try not to judge people based on age,
since I know there are women you're age
who are really sharp and mature.
Britney: I would say that I fall into that group. I
have been told quite often that I am very
mature for my age, if I didn't have such a
baby face I would certainly be mistaken
for older
Blackdragon: Your pics didn't scream "19", so you
probably do carry yourself a little older.
That's good. I sometimes and leery about
dating much younger women but I have
done it in the past (once or twice).
Britney: It makes sense. Most of the older guys I

have dated have been a bit skeptical about
dating someone younger, but I cant say I
have ever had someone lose interest due to
my age.
Blackdragon: Naw, it wasn't because of your age. It was
because you probably smell.
Blackdragon: jk :)
Britney: haha, If you want the truth, I have never
been "dumped"
Britney: Not even for smelling :)
Blackdragon: Well, hell, how many relationships have
you actually had?
Blackdragon: I don't mean dating now, I mean
relationships.
Britney: Relationships? I would say only 4. But I
have had my share of month or so long
"flings"
Britney: I typically lose interest
FYI Note – Britney is a hardcore serial monogamist. She’s
has about 10 “serious” monogamous boyfriends in the last
few years. I’m serious.
Blackdragon: Yes, women get bored very easily.
Blackdragon: Men take off because they get horny.
Women take off because they get bored.
It's kinda sad.
Britney: It is sad, but I think when you find the
right one the need for more entertainment
or sex with someone else wont arrise
Blackdragon: Exactly.
Blackdragon: So few people understand that.
Blackdragon: Men and women both.
Blackdragon: You do seem smart.
Blackdragon: At least a little.
Blackdragon: It's one of the big four.
Britney: And you are a smartass

Britney: More then a little ;)
Britney: And the other 3?
Blackdragon: In no particular order:
Blackdragon: 1. Smart
Blackdragon: 2. Hot
Blackdragon: 3. Likes and is comfortable with frequent
sex.
Blackdragon: 4. Not a bitch.
Blackdragon: MANY women have 3 of the 4
Blackdragon: But few have all four.
Britney: I do.
Blackdragon: Haha. That's what they all say. :)
Britney: I'm sure.
Britney: Just being honest : )
Blackdragon: Well, that would be nice. Having all four
is very rare. I guess we'll see.
Britney: Perhaps
Blackdragon: I just know that LOTS of women say, "Oh
yeah! I'm smart" or "Oh yeah, I LOVE
sex" or "Oh yeah, I don't get bitchy!"
Blackdragon: Heh.
Britney: I am smart. Not the best at math, but I can
hold an intelligent conversation and have
opinions and thoughts on many subjects. I
am not a bitch, but have my bitchy
moments, who doesn't? And as far as sex
goes, of course I love sex. But I love good
sex, and many men are not capable.
Blackdragon: Smart is good. I hate dumb bimbos. Ugh.
And yes, bitch MOMENTS are ok. It's
just the "drama all the time" crap that I
don't put up with. And yes, most men are
not sexually skilled or make a study out of
what pleases a women. So I get you there.
FYI Note – Not sure if you can tell, but in the last few
exchanges I was trying way oo hard. I would never be as
flattering today.
Britney: Who does like drama?
Blackdragon: 90% of women and about 40% of men
need regular drama.
Blackdragon: I don't.
Britney: Some seem to thrive on it, I wouldn't put
myself in that category
Britney: 90% of women? I dont think so.
Blackdragon: Within that 90%, there are some women
who need it all the time and others who
need it once and a while. A woman who
never, ever does drama (outside of rare
bitchy moments) is very rare. I have meet
a few, so I know they're out there. They're
just rare.
Britney: I see.
Blackdragon: Men are dumb, women are insane. It's just
the way it is. :)
Britney: Amen.
Blackdragon: I accept that as a man, I'm an idiot. Even
if I'm smarter than most, I'm still a dumb
guy.
Blackdragon: And I accept that women are crazy. I
accept it and don't fight it. :)
Britney: That is the way to go
Blackdragon: I'm texting my friends downtown. They're
telling me to leave. I just told them I'm
talking to one of my CEO's. :)
Britney: haha, well if you must get going that is
quite alright
Blackdragon: Yeah, I do need to leave in a few minutes.
Blackdragon: Let's schedule a time to meet.
Britney: Though I will say that your smartass

comments and wit make you quite
amusing
Blackdragon: I'm here to please. You'll be getting my
bill for $750.
Blackdragon: I don't give this quality shit out for free.
Britney: You won't be getting my check, but if you
are lucky you might get some of my time.
Blackdragon: Ooooooo. SPANK!
Britney: :)
Blackdragon: Before I go...
Blackdragon: I'm checking my sched...
Blackdragon: Hang on a sec...
Britney: Alright
Blackdragon: Are days or eves better for you?
Britney: Evenings for sure
<We schedule a first date.>
Britney: Sounds good. Where would you like to
meet?
Blackdragon: Do you know the xxxxxxx well? Or
somewhat?
Britney: Actually I don't, but I have become quite
familiar with mapquest :)
Blackdragon: Good answer!
Blackdragon: Ok..
Blackdragon: On xxxxx and xxxxxx there is a place
called "xxxxxx"
Blackdragon: I don't actually know the address for
Mapquest, but I know it's on xxxxx and
xxxxxx downtown...
Britney: I'm sure I can figure it out
Blackdragon: You can.
Blackdragon: I know the owner so I can get you in even
though you're under 21. You'll have to
dress like an over-21-year-old though. :)
Britney: Can do. Suggestions?

Blackdragon: Suggestions? For what?
Britney: Dress
Blackdragon: Just don't wear anything that screams
"teenager". Look hot.
Blackdragon: I personally don't care, but the place is a
lounge.
Britney: haha, that shouldnt be an issue
Blackdragon: I didn't think so.
Blackdragon: :)
Blackdragon: OK....
Blackdragon: I've gotta leave. I have you down for 7pm
at xxxxx on Thursday night. My cell is
xxx.xxx.xxxx. Keep that.
Blackdragon: We can text that way.
Britney: xxx xxx xxxx
Blackdragon: Got it. Gonna take off now. It
was...interesting meeting you. Gnite. :)
Britney: You too. Have fun : )
Technically it worked, but I was verbalizing way too much

and a too wordy. It just goes to show that if your frame is
strong, you’re confident and outcome independent, you can
screw up a little and it still works.

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Blackdragon Dating System: Volume Five Part One

How To Bring Younger Women Into Your Life and

How To Attract And Date

How To Use This Book Set 5

2. The Three Types Of Younger Women 16

3. The Necessary Frame To Have 22

4. Your Age As A DHV 30

5. Fashion and Physical Appearance 34

6. Where and How To Meet Younger Women 47

7. Online Dating With Younger Women 54

8. Daygame With Younger Women - Part One 62

9. Daygame With Younger Women - Part Two 69

10. First Dates and Day2s 77

11. Specific Techniques For Type Threes 84

12. Ongoing Relationships With Younger Women 89

13. VYW Referral Game 99

14. Drama Management 111

15. Things To Watch Out For 118

16. Sex 132

17. Afterword 141

Dating younger women is not difficult. I’ve been doing it

How To Use This Book Set

I could spend pages and pages of this book listing out a

There are three actual books in this package. THIS book is

It wasn’t an overwhelming desire, like that experienced by

Most of these women were in my own age range, a little

So I did my best to approach much younger women, both in

on a date with a 20 year-old girl, myself being 15 years older

During that first experience with a woman that young, there

The good news was that she was so beautiful, so full of

There is, without a doubt, a powerful biological mechanism

That first date with the 20 year-old never went anywhere,

So while dating women around my own age, I also

I ended up in a brief relationship with a woman at that time

About two months after that, it finally happened. I had sex

That was all several years ago. As of this writing I am now

younger, some around my age, some older, and a handful

I fully intend on continuing to date women this young for

Never, ever, ever get sexual with a woman under the

I know a 23 year-old guy who is on house arrest, has to wear

This means you must do the following:

1. You must learn the legal age of consent in your

Yes, you read that right. Messing around with legally

2. Check her ID before you ever touch her. Have her

I have a strict policy of never even touching a much

3. Verify her age through other means if suitable ID is

That means you’re going to have to verify her age

find one that works, use it (and email me and let me

Usually you will not need to go this far, but I have

4. Use willpower and do not get sexual with underage

This is where you need to be a mature man, use your

Over the years I have had multiple experiences where

You can get her phone number and/or friend her on

I’ll say it one more time. I do not recommend, promote, or

consent. Do not get sexual in any way with women under

Now don’t worry. There are plenty of 18 year-olds (and

Two Types Of Interest

Usually, I’ll refer to the women we’re talking about as

If you’re reading this book, you fall into one of two

1. You’re a guy who’s over age 30 who is interested in

2. You’re an older guy who is well over age 45 or 50

The vast majority of the techniques I’m going to be talking

What Is Too Old?