HOUSE BILL NO.

5043

AN ACT PROVIDING FOR A NATIONAL POLICY ON REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH,

RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD AND POPULATION DEVELOPMENT, AND FOR
OTHER PURPOSES

Be it enacted by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the Philippines in Congress
assembled:

SECTION 1. Short Title. – This Act shall be known as the “Reproductive Health and
Population Development Act of 2008“.

SEC. 2. Declaration of Policy. – The State upholds and promotes responsible parenthood,
informed choice, birth spacing and respect for life in conformity with internationally
recognized human rights standards.

The State shall uphold the right of the people, particularly women and their organizations, to
effective and reasonable participation in the formulation and implementation of the declared
policy.

This policy is anchored on the rationale that sustainable human development is better assured
with a manageable population of healthy, educated and productive citizens.

The State likewise guarantees universal access to medically-safe, legal, affordable and quality
reproductive health care services, methods, devices, supplies and relevant information
thereon even as it prioritizes the needs of women and children,among other underprivileged
sectors.

SEC. 3. Guiding Principles. – This Act declares the following as basic guiding principles:

a. In the promotion of reproductive health, there should be no bias for either modern or
natural methods of family planning;

b. Reproductive health goes beyond a demographic target because it is principally about

health and rights;

c. Gender equality and women empowerment are central elements of reproductive health and
population development;

d. Since manpower is the principal asset of every country, effective reproductive health care
services must be given primacy to ensure the birth and care of healthy children and to
promote responsible parenting;

e. The limited resources of the country cannot be suffered to, be spread so thinly to service a
burgeoning multitude that makes the allocations grossly inadequate and effectively
meaningless;
f. Freedom of informed choice, which is central to the exercise of any right, must be fully
guaranteed by the State like the right itself;

g. While the number and spacing of children are left to the sound judgment of parents and
couples based on their personal conviction and religious beliefs, such concerned parents and
couples, including unmarried individuals, should be afforded free and full access to relevant,
adequate and correct information on reproductive health and human sexuality and should be
guided by qualified State workers and professional private practitioners;

h. Reproductive health, including the promotion of breastfeeding, must be the joint concern
of the National Government and Local Government Units(LGUs);

i. Protection and promotion of gender equality, women empowerment and human rights,
including reproductive health rights, are imperative;

j. Development is a multi-faceted process that calls for the coordination and integration of
policies, plans, programs and projects that seek to uplift the quality of life of the people, more
particularly the poor, the needy and the marginalized;

k. Active participation by and thorough consultation with concerned non-government

organizations (NGOs), people’s organizations (POs) and communities are imperative to
ensure that basic policies, plans, programs and projects address the priority needs of
stakeholders;

l. Respect for, protection and fulfillment of reproductive health rights seek to promote not
only the rights and welfare of adult individuals and couples but those of adolescents’ and
children’s as well; and

m. While nothing in this Act changes the law on abortion, as abortion remains a crime and is
punishable, the government shall ensure that women seeking care for post-abortion
complications shall be treated and counseled in a humane, non-judgmental and
compassionate manner.

SEC. 4. Definition of Terms. – For purposes of this Act, the following terms shall be defined
as follows:

a. Responsible Parenthood – refers to the will, ability and cornmitTrient of parents to respond
to the needs and aspirations of the family and children more particularly through family
planning;

b. Family Planning – refers to a program which enables couple, and individuals to decide
freely and responsibly the number and spacing of their children and to have the information
and means to carry out their decisions, and to have informed choice and access to a full range
of safe, legal and effective family planning methods, techniques and devices.

c. Reproductive Health -refers to the state of physical, mental and social well-being and not
merely the absence of disease or infirmity, in all matters relating to the reproductive system
and to its funcitions and processes. This implies that people are able to have a satisfying and
safe sex life, that they have the capability to reproduce and the freedom to decide if, when
and how often to do so, provided that these are not against the law. This further implies that
women and men are afforded equal status in matters related to sexual relations and
reproduction.

d. Reproductive Health Rights – refers to the rights of individuals and couples do decide
freely and responsibly the number, spacing and timing of their children; to make other
decisions concerning reproduction free of discrimination, coercion and violence; to have the
information and means to carry out their decisions; and to attain the highest standard of
sexual and reproductive health.

e. Gender Equality – refers to the absence of discrimination on the basis of a person’s sex, in
opportunities, allocation of resources and benefits, and access to services.

f. Gender Equity – refers to fairness and justice in the distribution of benefits and
responsibilities between women and men, and often requires. women-specific projects and
programs to eliminate existing inequalities, inequities, policies and practices unfavorable too
women.

g. Reproductive Health Care – refers to the availability of and access to a full range of
methods, techniques, supplies and services that contribute to reproductive and sexual health
and well-being by preventing and solving reproductive health-related problems in order to
achieve enhancement of life and personal relations. The elements of reproductive health care
include:

1. Maternal, infant and child health and nutrition;

2. Promotion of breastfeeding;

3. Family planning information end services;

4. Prevention of abortion and management of post-abortion complications;

5. Adolescent and youth health;

6. Prevention and management of reproductive tract infections (RTIs), HIV/AIDS and other
sexually transmittable infections (STIs);

7. Elimination ofviolence against women;

8. Education and counseling on sexuality and sexual and reproductive health;

9. Treatment of breast and reproductive tract cancers and other gynecological conditions;

10. Male involvement and participation in reproductive health;,

11. Prevention and treatmentof infertility and sexual dysfunction; and

12. Reproductive health education for the youth.

h. Reproductive Health Education – refers to the process of acquiring complete, accurate and
relevant information on all matters relating to the reproductive system, its functions and
processes and human sexuality; and forming attitudes and beliefs about sex, sexual identity,
interpersonal relationships, affection, intimacy and gender roles. It also includes developing
the necessary skills do be able to distinguish between facts and myths on sex and sexuality;
and critically evaluate. and discuss the moral, religious, social and cultural dimensions of
related sensitive issues such as contraception and abortion.

i. Male involvement and participation – refers to the involvement, participation, commitment

and joint responsibility of men with women in all areas of sexual and reproductive health, as
well as reproductive health concerns specific to men.

j. Reproductive tract infection (RTI) – refers do sexually transmitted infections, sexually

transmitted diseases and other types of-infections affecting the reproductive system.

k. Basic Emergency Obstetric Care – refers to lifesaving services for maternal complication
being provided by a health facility or professional which must include the following six
signal functions: administration of parenteral antibiotics; administration of parrenteral
oxyttocic drugs; administration of parenteral anticonvulsants for pre-eclampsia and iampsia;
manual removal of placenta; and assisted vaginal delivery.

l. Comprehensive Emergency Obstetric Care – refers to basic emergency obstetric care plus
two other signal functions: performance of caesarean section and blood transfusion.

m. Maternal Death Review – refers to a qualitative and in-depth study of the causes of
maternal death with the primary purpose of preventing future deaths through changes or
additions to programs, plans and policies.

n. Skilled Attendant – refers to an accredited health professional such as a licensed midwife,

doctor or nurse who has adequate proficiency and the skills to manage normal
(uncomplicated) pregnancies, childbirth and the immediate postnatal period, and in the
identification, management and referral of complication in women and newborns.

o. Skilled Attendance – refers to childbirth managed by a skilled attendant under the enabling
conditions of a functional emergencyobstetric care and referral system.

p. Development – refers to a multi-dimensional process involving major changes in social

structures, popular attitudes, and national institutions as well as the acceleration of economic
growth, the reduction of inequality and the eradication of widespread poverty.

q. Sustainable Human Development – refers to the totality of the process of expending human
choices by enabling people to enjoy long, healthy and productive lives, affording them access
to resources needed for a decent standard of living and assuring continuity and acceleration of
development by achieving a balance between and among a manageable population, adequate
resources and a healthy environment.

r. Population Development – refers to a program that aims to: (1) help couples and parents
achieve their desired family size; (2) improve reproductive health of individuals by
addressing reproductive health problems; (3) contribute to decreased maternal and infant
mortality rates and early child mortality; (4) reduce incidence of teenage pregnancy; and (5)
enable government to achieve a balanced population distribution.
SEC. 5. The Commission on Population (POPC0NI). – Pursuant to the herein declared
policy, the Commission on Population (POPCOM) shall serve as the central planning,
coordinating, implementing and monitoring body for the comprehensive and integrated
policy on reproductive health and population development. In the implementation of this
policy, POPCOM, which shall be an attached agency of the Department of Health (DOH)
shall have the following functions:

a. To create an enabling environment for women and couples to make an informed choice
regarding the family planning method that is best suited to their needs and personal
convictions;

b. To integrate on a continuing basis the interrelated reproductive health and population

development agenda into a national policy, taking into account regional and local concerns;

c. To provide the mechanism to ensure active and full participation of the private sector and
the citizenry through their organizations in the planning and implementation of reproductive
health care and population development programs and projects;

d. To ensure people’s access to medically safe, legal, quality and affordable reproductive
health goods and services;

e. To facilitate the involvement and participation of non-government organizations and the

private sector in reproductive health care service delivery and in the production, distribution
and delivery of quality reproductive: health and family planning supplies and commodities to
make them accessible and affordable to ordinary citizens;

f. To fully implement the Reproductive Health Care Program with the following components:

(1) Reproductive health education including but not limited to counseling on the full range of
legal and medically-safe family planning methods including surgical methods;

(2) Maternal, pen-natal and post-natal education, care and services;

(3) Promotion of breastfeeding;

(4) Promotion of male involvement, participation and responsibility in reproductive health as

well as other reproductive health concerns of men;

(5) Prevention of abortion and management of post-abortion complications; and

(6) Provision of information and services addressing the reproductive health needs of the
poor, senior citizens, women in prostitution, differently-abled persons, and women and
children in war AND crisis situations.

g. To ensure that reproductive health services are delivered with a full range of supplies,
facilities and equipment and that service providers are adequately trained for reproductive
health care;
h. To endeavor to furnish local Family Planning Offices with appropriate information and
resources to keep the latter updated on current studies and research relating to family
planning, responsible parenthood, breastfeeding and infant nutrition;

i. To direct all public hospitals to make available to indigent mothers who deliver their
children in these government hospitals, upon the mothers request, the procedure of ligation
without cost to her;

j. To recommend the enactment of legislation and adoption of executive measures that will
strengthen and enhance the national policy on reproductive health and population
development;

k. To ensure a massive and sustained information drive on responsible parenthood and on all
methods and techniques to prevent unwanted, unplanned and mistimed pregnancies, it shall
release information bulletins on the same for nationwide circulation to all government
departments, agencies and instrumentalities, non-government organizations and the private
sector, schools, public and private libraries, tri-media outlets, workplaces, hospitals and
concerned health institutions;

l. To strengthen the capacities of health regulatory agencies to ensure safe, high-quality,

accessible, and affordable reproductive health services and commodities with the concurrent
strengthening and enforcement of regulatory mandates and mechanisms;

m. To take active steps to expand the coverage of the National Health Insurance Program
(NHIP), especially among poor and marginalized women, to include the full range of
reproductive health services and supplies as health insurance benefits; and

n. To perform such other functions necessary to attain the purposes of this Act.

The membership of the Board of Commissioners of POPCOM shall consist of the heads of
the following AGENCIES:

1. National Economic DevelopmentAuthority (VEDA)

2. Department of Health (DOH)
3. Department of Social Welfare and Development (DSWD)
4. Department of Labor and Employment (DOLE)
5. Department of Agriculture (DA)
6. Department of the Interior and Local Government (DILG)
7. Department of Education (DepEd)
8. Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR)
9. Commission on Higher Education (CHED)
10. University of the Philippines Population Institute (UPPI)
11. Union of Local Authorities of the Philippines (ULAFI)
12. National Anti-Poverty Commission (NAPQ
13. National Commission on the Role of Filipino Women (NCRFW)
14. National Youth Commission (NYC)

In addition to the aforementioned, members, there shall be three private sector representatives
to the Board of Commissioners of POPCOM who shall come from NGOs. There shall be one
(1) representative each from women, youth and health sectors who have a proven track record
of involvement in the promotion of reproductive health. These representatives shall be
nominated in a process determined by the above-mentioned sectors, and to be appointed by
the President for a term of three (3)years.

SEC. 6. Midwives for Skilled Attendance. -Every city and municipality shall endeavor to
employ adequate number of midwives or other skilled attendants to achieve a minimum ratio
of one (1)for every one hundred fifty (150) deliveries per year, to be based on the average
annual number of actual deliveries or live births for the past two years.

SEC. 7. Emergency Obstetric Care. – Each province. and city shall endeavor to ensure the
establishment and operation of hospitals with adequate and qualified personnel that provide
emergency obstetric care. For every 500,000 population, there shall be at least one (1)
hospital for comprehensive emergency obstetric care and four (4) hospitals for basic
emergency obstetric care.

SEC. 8. Maternal Death Review. – All LGUs, national and local government hospitals, and
other public health units shall conduct maternal death review in accordance with the
guidelines to be issued by the DOH in consultation with the POPCOM.

SEC. 9. Hospital-Based Family Planning. -Tubal ligation, vasectomy, intrauterine device

insertion and other family planning methods requiring hospital services shall be available in
all national and local government hospitals, except: in specialty hospitals which may render
such services on an optional basis. For indigent patients, such services shall be fully covered
by PhilHealth insurance and/or government financial assistance.

SEC. 10. Contraceptives as Essential Medicines. – Hormonal contraceptives, intrauterine

devices, injectables and other allied reproductive health products and supplies shall be
considered under the category of essential medicines and supplies which shall form part of
the National Drug Formulary and the same shall be included in the regular purchase of
essential medicines and supplies of all national and lord hospitals and other government
health units.

SEC. 11. Mobile Health Care Service. -Each Congressional District shall be provided with a
van to be known as the Mobile Health Care Service (MHOS) to deliver health care goods and
services to its constituents, more particularly to the poor and needy, as well as disseminate
knowledge and information on reproductive health: Provided, That reproductive health
education shall be conducted by competent and adequately trained persons preferably
reproductive health care providers: Provided, further, That the full range of family planning
methods, both natural and modern, shall be promoted.

The acquisition, operation and maintenance of the MRCS shall be funded from the Priority
Development Assistance Fund (PDAF) of each Congressional District.

The MHCS shall be adequately equipped with a wide range of reproductive health care
materials and information dissemination devices and equipment, the latter including but not
limited to, a television set for audio-visual presentation.

SEC. 12. Mandatory Age-Appropriate Reproductive Health Education. – Recognizing the

importance of reproductive health rights in empowering the youth and developing them into
responsible adults, Reproductive Health Education in an age-appropriate manner shall be
taught by adequately trained teachers starting from Grade 5 up to Fourth Year High School.
In order to assure the prior training of teachers on reproductive health, the implementation of
Reproductive Health Education shall commence at the start of the school year one year
following the effectivity of this Act. The POPCOM, in coordination with the Department of
Education, shall formulate the Reproductive Health Education curriculum, which shall be
common to both public and private schools and shall include related population and
development concepts in addition to the following subjects and standards:

a. Reproductive health and sexual rights;

b. Reproductive health care and services;

c. Attitudes, beliefs and values on sexual development, sexual behavior and sexual health;

d. Proscription and hazards of abortion and management of post-abortion complications;

e. Responsible parenthood.

f. Use and application of natural and modern family planning methods to promote
reproductive health, achieve desired family size and prevent unwanted, unplanned and
mistimed pregnancies;

g. Abstinence before marriage;

h. Prevention and treatment of HIV/AIDS and other, STIs/STDs, prostate cancer, breast
cancer, cervical cancer and other gynecological disorders;

i. Responsible sexuality; and

j. Maternal, peri-natal and post-natal education, care and services.

In support of the natural, and primary right of parents in the rearing of the youth, the
POPCOM shall provide concerned parents with adequate and relevant scientific materials on
the age-appropriate topics and manner of teaching reproductive health education to their
children.

In the elementary level, reproductive health education shall focus, among others, on values
formation.

Non-formal education programs shall likewise include the abovementioned reproductive

Health Education.

SEC. 13. Additional Duty of Family Planning 0ffice. – Each local Family Planning Office
shall furnish for free instructions and information on family planning, responsible
parenthood, breastfeeding and infant nutrition to all applicants for marriage license.

SEC. 14. Certificate of Compliance. – No marriage license shall be issued by the Local Civil
Registrar unless the applicants present a Certificate of Compliance issued for free by the local
Family Planning Office certifying that they had duly received adequate instructions and
information on family planning, responsible parenthood, breastfeeding and infant nutrition.
SEC. 15. Capability Building of Community-Based Volunteer Workers. – Community-based
volunteer workers, like but not limited to, Barangay Health Workers, shall undergo additional
and updated training on the delivery of reproductive health care services and shall receive not
less than 10% increase in honoraria upon successful completion of training. The increase in
honoraria shall be funded from the Gender and Development (GAD) budget of the National
Economic and Development Authority (NEDA), Department of Health (DOH) and the
Department of the Interior and Local Government (DILG).

SEC. 16. Ideal Family Size. – The State shall assist couples, parents and individuals to
achieve their desired family size within the context of responsible parenthood for sustainable
development and encourage them to have two children as the ideal family size. Attaining the
ideal family size is neither mandatory nor compulsory. No punitive action shall be imposed
on parents having more than two children.

SEC. 17. Employers’ Responsibilities. – Employers shall respect the reproductive health
rights of all their workers. Women shall not be discriminated against in the matter of hiring,
regularization of employment status or selection for retrenchment.

All Collective Bargaining Agreements (CBAs) shall provide for the free delivery by the
employer of reasonable quantity of reproductive health care services, supplies and devices to
all workers, more particularly women workers. In establishments or enterprises where there
are no CBAs or where the employees are unorganized, the employer shall have the same
obligation.

SEC. 18. Support of Private and Non-government Health Care Service Providers. – Pursuant
to Section 5(b) hereof, private reproductive health care service providers, including but not
limited to gynecologists and obstetricians, are encouraged to join their colleagues in non-
government organizations in rendering such services free of charge or at reduced professional
fee rates to indigent and low income patients.

SEC. 19. Multi-Media Campaign. – POPCOM shall initiate and sustain an intensified
nationwide multi-media campaign to raise the level of public awareness on the urgent need to
protect and promote reproductive health and rights.

SEC. 20. Reporting Requirements. – Before the end of April of each year,the DOH shall
submit an annual report to the President of the Philippines, the President of the Senate and the
Speaker of the House of Representatives on a definitive and comprehensive assessment of the
implementation of this Act and shall make the necessary recommendations for executive and
legislative action. The report shall be posted in the website of DOH and printed copies shall
be made available to all stakeholders.

SEC. 21. Prohibited Acts. – The following acts are prohibited:

a) Any health care service provider, whether public or private, who shall:

1. Knowingly withhold information or impede the dissemination thereof, and/or intentionally

provide incorrect information regarding programs and services on reproductive health
including the right to informed choice and access to a full range of legal, medically-safe and
effective family planning methods;
2. Refuse to perform voluntary ligation and vasectomy and other legal and medically-safe
reproductive health care services on any person of legal age on the ground of lack of spousal
consent or authorization.

3. Refuse to provide reproductive health care services to an abused minor, whose abused
condition is certified by the proper official or personnel of the Department of Social Welfare
and Development (DSWD) or to duly DSWD-certified abused pregnant minor on whose case
no parental consent is necessary.

4. Fail to provide, either deliberately or through gross or inexcusable negligence,

reproductive health care services as mandated under this Act, the Local Government Code of
1991, the Labor Code, and Presidential Decree 79, as amended; and

5. Refuse to extend reproductive health care services and information on account of the
patient’s civil status, gender or sexual orientation, age, religion, personal circumstances, and
nature of work; Provided, That all conscientious objections of health care service providers
based on religious grounds shall be respected: Provided, further, That the conscientious
objector shall immediately refer the person seeking such care and services to another health
care service provider within the same facility or one which is conveniently accessible:
Provided, finally, That the patient is not in an emergency or serious case as defined in RA
8344 penalizing the refusal of hospitals and medical clinics to administer appropriate initial
medical treatment and support in emergency and serious cases.

b) Any public official who prohibits or restricts personally or through a subordinate the
delivery of legal and medically-safe reproductive health care services, including family
planning;

c) Any employer who shall fail to comply with his obligation under Section 17 of this Act or
an employer who requires a female applicant or employee, as a condition for employment or
continued employment, to involuntarily undergo sterilization, tubal ligation or any other form
of contraceptive method;

d) Any person who shall falsify a certificate of compliance as required in Section 14 of this
Act; and

e) Any person who maliciously en ges in disinformation about the intent or provisions of this
Act.

SEC. 22. Penalties. – The proper city or municipal court shall exercise jurisdiction over
violations of this Act and the accused who is found guilty shall be sentenced to an
imprisonment ranging from one (1) month to six (6) months or a fine ranging from Ten
Thousand Pesos (P10,000.00) to Fifty Thousand Pesos (P50,000.00) or both such fine and
imprisonment at the discretion of the court. If the offender is a juridical person, the penalty
shall be imposed upon the president, treasurer, secretary or any responsible officer. An
offender who is an alien shall, after service of sentence, be deported immediately without
further proceedings by the Bureau of Immigration. An offender who is a public officer or
employee shall suffer the accessory penalty of dismissal from the government service.

Violators of this Act shall be civilly liable to the offended party in such amount at the
discretion of the proper court.
SEC. 23. Appropriations. – The amounts appropriated in the current annual General
Appropriations Act for reproductive health and family planning under the DOH and
POPCOM together with ten percent (10%) of the Gender and Development (GAD) budgets
of all government departments, agencies, bureaus, offices and instrumentalities funded in the
annual General Appropriations Act in accordance with Republic Act No. 7192 (Women in
Development and Nation-building Act) and Executive Order No. 273 (Philippine Plan for
Gender Responsive Development 1995-2025) shall be allocated and utilized for the
implementation of this Act. Such additional sums as may be necessary for the effective
implementation of this Act shall be Included in the subsequent years’ General Appropriations
Acts.

SEC. 24. Implementing Rules and Regulations. – Within sixty (60) days from the effectivity
of this Act, the Department of Health shall promulgate, after thorough consultation with the
Commission on Population (POPCOM), the National Economic Development Authority
(NEDA), concerned non-government organizations (NGOs) and known reproductive health
advocates, the requisite implementing rules and regulations.

SEC. 25. Separability Clause. – If any part, section or provision of this Act is held invalid or
unconstitutional, other provisions not affected thereby shall remain in full force and effect.

SEC. 26. Repealing Clause. – All laws, decrees, Orders, issuances, rules and regulations
contrary to or inconsistent with the provisions of this Act are hereby repealed, amended or
modified accordingly.

SEC. 27. Effectivity. – This Act shall take effect fifteen (15) days after its publication in at
least two (2) newspapers of national circulation.

 UP School Of Economics : Population, Poverty, Politics and the Reproductive Health Bill

please vote:

catholic church is for natural family planning only; noynoy aquino is for open
choice of natural family planning or artificial family planning (choose only 2) (Poll
Closed)
i agree and support the catholic church 26.06%

i do not agree and do not support the catholic church on this one 18.81%

i agree and support noynoy aquino 40.4%

i do not agree and do not support noynoy aquino on this one 12.21%

i have no opinion 2.52%

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1.

katherine malvar
February 16, 2010 at 7:10 pm | #1

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i would disagree of this bill because it gives every woman specially the teenager to
have the rights and free access to abort the baby inside the womb of the mother R.H
bill is not the answer to eliminate the our population it should be bias of this bill let us
remember that killing baby inside the womb it’s just like give us to free and legalized
the murder in our society baby is not an animal is a human and our constitution
mandated that every people has the right to fight for there freedom to live not killings.
In china abortion is legalized but we dont follow them because it will lead to put the
nation into fire’s of hell.

edhel

March 6, 2010 at 10:04 pm | #2

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In which part does this bill say that abortion is legalized? I think the bill is
reasonable.

Mario

October 3, 2010 at 9:13 am | #3

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Read Section 10. “Contraceptives.. are essential medicines…” You

read it but you don’t understand it.

urak

October 5, 2010 at 6:41 am | #4

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Contraceptives is a form of abortion? I think you are still living
in the dark ages! Ignorant fool!

vanillae

October 5, 2010 at 4:33 pm | #5

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Ask the OCP and IUD companies (or even the

obstetricians) how these things work, then come back to
us and tell us who is ignorant and fool.

Oh…and ask microbiologists also if you still don’t

understand.

Okay, I know you will not do that even over the phone,
so I will just tell you. Life begins at the moment of
conception. All honest scientists, constitutions, and
religions agree on that. Now, conception refers to to the
moment where the spermatozoon permeates the ovum.
The process is also called fertilization, although
contraceptive and abortion propagandists desperately
deny it.

Now, the Pill, IUD, and other contraceptives make the

uterine wall hostile to the zygote (fertilized ovum), and
as a result, the human zygote dies and is being flashes
outside the womb.

In short, millions of human beings are being killed

using the so-called contraceptives.

Any protests? I’ll go back with the previous

suggestions.

down2one

October 7, 2010 at 12:01 pm | #6

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forgive me if i’m being ignorant, but by

definition, doesn’t contraception mean
‘prevention of conception’? and by that
definition, if there was no conception in the first
place, it would not be an abortion? most
contraceptives work that way, they prevent
conception from ever occurring.

i also think you are confusing contraceptives

with abortifacients which are medical drugs that
induce abortion.

the rh bill does not, in any way, promote the use

of these abortificients. it clearly says so right
there in the bill itself.

Wilberg

October 7, 2010 at 2:09 pm | #7

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I forgive you. However, this issue has

been explained over and over again.
Anyway, let me just quote this one for
you:

“Other possible secondary mechanisms

[of OCPs] have been hypothesized. One
example is endometrial effects that
prevent implantation of an embryo in the
uterus.” – Wikipedia

Conception – “the act of becoming

pregnant; fertilization of an ovum by a
spermatozoon.” –
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Abortion – “termination of pregnancy” –

wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

You are right, contraceptives are

supposed to prevent conception, but that
is not always the case here. Instead of
preventing conception (fertilization), it
prevents implantation in some cases, so
it acts as abortifacient rather than
contraceptive.

down2one

October 11, 2010 at 2:34 pm | #8

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well then there you go, let’s filter

out all methods/medicines and
allow only those that act before
conception, let’s make all
‘contraceptives that in some cases
act as abortifacients’ illegal.

vanillae

October 11, 2010 at 4:02

pm | #9

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down2one :
well then there
you go, let’s filter
out all
methods/medicine
s and allow only
those that act
before conception,
let’s make all
‘contraceptives
that in some cases
act as
abortifacients’
illegal.
Yes, that could be one.
But tax issue is another.
No more babies will die
from these contraceptives-
abortificients but all true
Catholics will still be
violated if the government
will use their tax pesos for
contraceptive purposes.
So another filtration will
be made — between
Catholic taxes and non-
Catholic taxes.

Employers should also be

filtered — those who are
willing to supply
contraceptives to their
employees and those who
are not.

Health care providers

should also be classified
into two — those who
believe they can
conscientiously do a
contraceptive procedure
like vasectomy and tubal
ligation, and those who
interpret this as a
violation of the
Hippocratic Oath.

Family organizations and

associations should also
be consulted first as
mandated by the
Constitution.

Section 21 of the bill

should be entirely re-
drafted because this is
anti-democracy.

But then again, are these

suggestions practicable? I
don’t think so. PPF will
not allow it; Lucile
Packard will not allow it;
PLCPD will not allow it,
and so Edcel Lagman.

down2one

October 11, 2010

at 5:10 pm | #10

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i totally agree that

it is impractical.
especially the part
where you have to
filter out catholic
vs non-catholic
taxes. that’s not
just impractical,
it’s down right
crazy.

i mean, it’s clear

that many
catholics are
against this bill,
but then a great
percentage of
catholics do
support it too. so
do we have to
filter those out
too?

no matter.
ultimately,
wouldn’t it be the
individual’s
choice? i mean
yeah let’s say my
employer hands
out a box of
condoms, the bill
doesn’t really state
that i will be
 prosecuted if i
don’t use it, right?

MB

October 12, 2010 at 8:20

pm | #11

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nice comment

edgar

October 22, 2010

at 2:52 pm | #12

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in one way or
another, all of us
violet what the
Catholic Church
teaches. i believe
many catholic
believers knew
very little about
what our faith
teaches on such
issue. no wonder
that many easily
agrees on rhbill.
but some who
really
knowledgeable
enough of what
the Church
teaches, i admire
you. for those
nominal believers,
 don’t speak too
much especially
against your faith,
for you do not
know your faith
yet. you are just
catholic by name
but not yet in
faith.

SaintPhilippic

April 20, 2011 at 11:34

am | #13

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I like reading your

comments dude. wish all
of us here are as proactive
as you… you know,
instead of being cynical
and the likes….

louis limjoco md

February 13, 2011 at 8:09 pm |

#14

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contraceptives main action is to

deter fertilization, but this doesnt
happen all the time. but if it does
they will act as abortifacients in
killing the fertilized egg or
embryo = casing abortion

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 jillie

April 21, 2011 at 12:23 pm | #15

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there you go, you just stated the

difference between
contraceptives and abortifacients.

How can you abort, or “terminate

pregnancy”, if nothing has been
conceived yet?

edwardokba

January 12, 2011 at 6:57 pm | #16

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YOU BETTER KNOW FIRST WHAT

IS THE MEANING OF THE WORD
ABORTION..

enjiru

March 7, 2011 at 10:41 am | #17

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You are right. I think people just confuse

abortifacients with contraceptives. They
can get all the definitions of every terms
used here but they still can’t understand.

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 silentfree

May 22, 2011 at 7:20 am | #18

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do not focus on the meaning of it…

focus on the process of those
contraceptives

pops

December 5, 2010 at 11:10 am | #19

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have you even considered the effect of the

growing population to the environment? really,
if you do not address population growth, we’ll
all end up dead sooner or later, when the earth
reaches its carrying capacity.

im not saying to kill humans. but the choice of

use of contraceptives is one’s right.

have you ever considered the relationship of the

growing population to increasing consumption
vis-a-vis the limited earth’s resources?

you are so much concerned about millions of

humans being killed by using contraceptives.
what about those millions of animals and other
resources killed by humans for their own gain?
the earth does not have an unlimited supply to
support such numbers of humans.

jlocute
 December 6, 2010 at 1:04 pm | #20

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The discussion on this blog had already

gone very far on discussing diff aspects.
If this is your first time here, I encourage
you to read the opinions and facts
presented here by different people. Such
as:

RH Bill is weapon of Satan

Overpopulation is being used here by
Satan
The world is not overpopulated
Contraception is not a solution to
overpopulation and poverty
Contraception is a coerce from UN and
other influential countries
UN is evil.
Contraception is a sin

goldenerro

December 21, 2010 at 7:40 pm | #21

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By the way you argue about correlation

between population growth and hunger, I
bet you are living in urban area like
Manila. That’s where the problem lies.
The population density (persons per
square meter) of NCR is truly high. But
if you look at the entire Phil population
density, it is not so. So don’t be so
scared. You just happen to live in an area
where people flock in. Look at the
provinces, they have lesser people in
there because many goes to urban for
living.


 vanillae

January 20, 2011 at 10:15 am |

#22

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goldenerro :
Look at the provinces,
they have lesser people in
there because many goes
to urban for living.

I agree.
http://pinoyearner.wordpress.com
/2011/01/09/populasyon-at-pag-
unlad/

rockyroadlover

April 29, 2011 at 4:16 am | #23

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It’s not about population control,

it’s population
DEVELOPMENT. People don’t
push for RH JUST BECAUSE
they’re scared of hunger. It’s all
about informed choices.

kyogerXIII

May 19, 2011 at 2:20 am |

#24

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 Agree to this totally, it’s
essentially information
dissemination after all,
and look at the health care
benefits that goes with
this bill. seriously, stop
staying in the dark ages

john doe

January 18, 2011 at 11:03 am | #25

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non sense

Jerome B. Aparece

February 15, 2011 at 8:48 pm | #26

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Don’t angry ha.! But I would just like to

say that there are misconceptions with
your comment!

Jerome B. Aparece

February 15, 2011 at 8:54 pm | #27

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You like to know why? Just ask and I’m

willing to share my opinion… ^^


edwardokba

January 12, 2011 at 6:59 pm | #28

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you’re right.. but it doesnt mean that

contraceptives are form of abortion..

wawam

January 12, 2011 at 8:22 pm | #29

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contraceptives as abortifacient is a false

claim. they lie to scare people away from
the RH Bill. and n obody believes them.

vanillae

January 20, 2011 at 10:57 am | #30

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edwardokba :
…it doesnt mean that
contraceptives are form of
abortion..

That is not what researchers say.

According to iVillage Health website:

The IUD also affects the uterine

lining (where a fertilized egg
would implant and grow).

I assume you know when life begins.



MARS

April 21, 2011 at 2:48 pm | #31

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I AGREE WITH SO HARD TO EXPLAIN TO

PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT MOSTLY
RELATED TO THE MEDICAL FIELD..

Akon

May 31, 2011 at 1:26 pm | #32

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I think you need to have more researches and

more formal “medical” education before you can
conclude all things. Don’t just rely on wikipedia,
you should open medical books instead and try
to understand what you read.

vanillae :
Ask the OCP and IUD companies (or
even the obstetricians) how these things
work, then come back to us and tell us
who is ignorant and fool.
Oh…and ask microbiologists also if you
still don’t understand.
Okay, I know you will not do that even
over the phone, so I will just tell you.
Life begins at the moment of conception.
All honest scientists, constitutions, and
religions agree on that. Now, conception
refers to to the moment where the
spermatozoon permeates the ovum. The
process is also called fertilization,
although contraceptive and abortion
propagandists desperately deny it.
Now, the Pill, IUD, and other
 contraceptives make the uterine wall
hostile to the zygote (fertilized ovum),
and as a result, the human zygote dies
and is being flashes outside the womb.
In short, millions of human beings are
being killed using the so-called
contraceptives.
Any protests? I’ll go back with the
previous suggestions.

rain

October 12, 2010 at 3:02 pm | #33

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The classical definition of the word “contraception”

comes from the Latin (contra = opposed to, and
concepto = conceive.
The most common forms of contraception today —
IUDs, low-dose oral contraceptive pills, which are the
safest type of oral contraceptive pills available — act as
abortifacients. abortifacients end the life of the early
developing human being after the sperm and egg have
been united.

and what do you know about the dark ages? in fact a lot
of great minds lived during that time without them we
would not have the foundation to what we know today.

ok

May 20, 2011 at 10:34 pm | #34

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so condoms are ok? because it prevents the

meeting of the egg and sperm?


tamz

February 3, 2011 at 8:29 pm | #35

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a contraceptives is not a form of abortion.you should

read first before you make an opinion about it.this is
how it works.

The primary mechanism of action of COCs is the

inhibition of ovulation. The release of an egg, which
commonly occurs in the middle of the menstrual cycle,
is prevented by COCs. Two hormones produced by the
pituitary, a gland located at the base of the brain,
coordinate the development and release of an egg from
the ovary. One is follicle stimulating hormone,
abbreviated FSH, and the other is luteinizing hormone,
or LH. A surge in both of these hormones ordinarily
occurs in the middle of a woman’s menstrual cycle. The
surge in LH is the trigger for ovulation. COCs inhibit
the production of both FSH and LH and consequently
prevent ovulation.3

In the very rare cases where ovulation may occur,

another contraceptive mechanism of COCs acts to
prevent fertilization. COCs have an effect on the
cervical mucus. The progestin contained in COCs
causes the cervical mucus to become thick and prevents
sperm penetration; the sperm can not pass through the
cervix and fertilization cannot take place.

Jerome Aparece

February 15, 2011 at 8:58 pm | #36

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Well, I suggest for you not to focus on this (the

topic about abortion, contraception, etc.)
Instead, focus on it’s impact to development.
 

sting

May 20, 2011 at 5:13 am | #37

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I agree…

Birth control is an umbrella term for several

techniques and methods used to prevent
fertilization or to interrupt pregnancy at various
stages. Birth control techniques and methods
include contraception (the prevention of
fertilization), contragestion (preventing the
implantation of the blastocyst) and abortion (the
removal or expulsion of a fetus or embryo from
the uterus). Contraception includes barrier
methods, such as condoms or diaphragm,
hormonal contraception, also known as oral
contraception, and injectable contraceptives.[1]
Contragestives, also known as post-coital birth
control, include intrauterine devices and what is
known as the morning after pill.[2]

Control is far more different from abort..

fool

March 14, 2011 at 5:06 pm | #38

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you are the one who is a fool idiot,,moron.. find the

meaning of contraceptive first…

Giovanni
 March 24, 2011 at 11:53 am | #39

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Urak I agree with you! She is an ignorant fool like a

good number of these idiots who automatically reject
something they have not read or even made an
intellectual thought on the subject matter.

Ken

May 18, 2011 at 11:24 am | #40

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well I just don’t like how the church would threaten a

punishment of excommunication to those who support
the RH bill especailly the president, that is how popes
control king and rulers in the dark ages, I do not
approve of such means

cong

May 19, 2011 at 9:01 am | #41

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yahh! they are ignorant!

thom

October 12, 2010 at 9:36 am | #42

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 how come the contraceptives becme a medicine?is there an
illness that needs to be cured?

jopz

February 17, 2011 at 9:46 pm | #43

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the use of medicine is not limited to curing an illness or

a disease, it can be also used as a control (ex. post
operative pain) or prevention (taking prophylaxis to
prevent acquiring communicable disease)

edgar

October 22, 2010 at 2:01 pm | #44

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what do you mean by saying that “contraceptives are essential

medicines..?” thus it mean, that, in order for us not to interrupt
our urges to have sex we need to comply with such unethical
idea? we are not just simple animals. in fact, animals follow the
nature that is exclusively theirs. the dogs for instance, follow
the seasons when will be the right time of meeting. animals
have just instinct not reason.what about us? if animals can fast,
why not humans?

edwardokba

January 12, 2011 at 6:56 pm | #45

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 WTF!!.. IT DOESNT MEAN THAT IT USE AS AN
ABORTIFACIENT.. CONTRACEPTIVES LIKE PILLS
HAVE A THERAPEUTIC EFFECT OTHER THAN
PREVENTING PREGNANCY, BUT IT MAY BE
BENEFICIAL TO THOSE WHO HAVE A IRREGULAR
MENSTRUAL CYCLE WHICH FERTILITY IS DIFFICULT..
THINK ABOUT IT..

john doe

January 18, 2011 at 11:06 am | #46

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fool!…i know u want it be passed because you too want

to share the advantages that are being offered…

koko

March 3, 2011 at 12:57 pm | #47

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you have just give the best good result about what you
have just learned or known.but the side effect of that
contraceptives is much worst than you have thought…

koko

March 3, 2011 at 12:53 pm | #48

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but contraceptives either condom nor pills have big effects in

your health in can cause cancers etc.
 if you will not believe in what i have just post, just ask the
specialist or mindful doctors..t.y.peace

dee

April 3, 2011 at 4:59 pm | #49

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section 10 didnt talk about abortion.. it is refering to the

medcines that is used to avoid conception but not to abort the
conception..

lily

May 12, 2011 at 11:50 pm | #50

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how could a contraceptives become an essential medicine? you

take a pill in order to regulate your natural flow of your
hormone? is that an essential medicine? instead of letting the
hormones go into its natural process, it is being regulated
artificially by contraceptive pills, is thatessential medicine?

lily

May 12, 2011 at 11:50 pm | #51

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how could a contraceptives become an essential medicine? you

take a pill in order to regulate your natural flow of your
hormone? is that an essential medicine? instead of letting the
hormones go into its natural process, it is being regulated
artificially by contraceptive pills, is that essential medicine?


cooper

May 23, 2011 at 2:23 pm | #52

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If the main purpose of this bill is to eliminate poverty, I believe

there is a better solution for this issue & not this bill. Do you
consider contraceptives as a medicine? What do you think you
are thinking, are we sick?… Talking about the problem of over
population, I do believe that we can overcome this problem if
we become true to ourself specially those who are in the
position. We can simply supply the needs of the Filipinos with
our natural resources & with our government funds. The
problem here is instead of using those money of ours in
government problems, our beloved officers used this money for
their personal interest. Another is we never spend wisely.
There’s a lot of government programs there that results to
nothing… We just wasted those thousands of sacks of rice &
those medicines.

ja.

June 23, 2011 at 1:11 pm | #53

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Rh bill may not be the direct solution for poverty but, it

is one, it may be one of the solutions, because poverty is
a enormous problem faced by our country and, there’s
no single solution for it.

tomprober

May 23, 2011 at 8:02 pm | #54

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The RH bill declare that contraceptives are essential medicines.

If they are what illness do these contraceptives treat?

IrvinDgreat

October 11, 2010 at 4:01 pm | #55

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have you read the bill???

Teresa

April 26, 2011 at 1:34 pm | #56

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I agree with this Bill, contraceptive is different from Abortion. We

should be very open to this issue because this may be the way for
Philippine development.

zatho

May 22, 2011 at 8:51 pm | #57

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TERESA,

TRUE, AS IT IS WRITTEN CONTRACEPTIVES ARE

ALLOWED AND PROMOTED IN THE RH BILL.
 HOWEVER MANY CONTRACEPTIVE MEDICINES CAN
ALSO ACT AS ABORTIFACIENT. BECAUSE OF THE
WAY IT FUNCTIONS. YOU CAN READ ABOUT IT IN
MEDICAL JOURNALS, PROBABLY IN MEDICINE
TEXTBOOKS.

YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE OF IT , BUT SOME PILLS

COULD ACTUALLY BE KILLING YOUR UNBORN BABY
(WELL ACTUALLY NOT A BABY YET, BUT IF IT IS NOT
GIVEN A CHANCE TO GROW IN THE MOTHER’S
WOMB.. IT WILL NEVER BE A BABY.

junmar

May 12, 2011 at 3:44 pm | #58

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korek.. i believe that these bill will contribute a lot, and help
minimized the problems being face by the country.. and i believe that
the bill has enough reason why they need to pursue it.!!

soundjudgment

March 21, 2010 at 2:22 am | #59

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Obviously you did not read the entire bill. It clearly states that abortion will
remain a crime, but caring for women who underwent post abortion will be
given in a humane and compassionate way. This bill shows that the country is
headed in a progressive way in enforcing the rights of women. Actually, not
only women, but couples and all individuals who want to have better access to
information for family planning which does not limit to the “ineffective
rhythm method” but to other methods/devices for birth control. This bill will
ensure the prevention of widespread STDs and infanticide for the marginalized
groups.


 justathought

April 14, 2010 at 11:57 pm | #60

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What do you want then, treat them as harshly as possible or worse, let
them die? do you honestly think that this is just?

i don’t think there is anything wrong in caring for women who

underwent abortion in a humane way. treating them harshly will not
give any justice at all, in the same vein that treating them AS
HUMANS and giving them the proper treatment do not necessarily
mean that we promote abortion. even the most cold blooded criminal
have rights too, and so do these women.

“hindi maitatama ang pagkakamali ng isa pang pagkakamali.”

please grow up.

John

May 19, 2011 at 11:46 am | #61

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May I ask a question, Is there a woman who went to the process

of abortion who got imprisoned? If there’s not, how can we say
that they are treating abortion as a crime? hmmmm.. just a
thought…

vanillae

May 30, 2010 at 2:39 pm | #62

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No, the RH bill does not “clearly” states that abortion will remain a
crime. Besides, it does not have the power to decide whether it will
remain a crime; only a change in the Constitution can make that.
Instead, it just recognizes the “status of abortion” in the Philippine law.
Actually, the line, “as abortion remains a crime and is punishable,” is
deceptive. It conditions the mind of the readers that the bill confirms
the absolute criminality of abortion, while it does not and it cannot.
The purpose is to make it look like an anti-abortion bill. In reality, the
law on abortion “may” change; it just needs a charter change. One of
the problems with just reading the text of HB5043 is that it would be
more difficult to see the intentions of those who “really” wrote it and
what are the influences behind it.

Do we really need to have an additional law in order for the health care
providers to be humane and compassionate? Do we need another bill
just to have the government give enough budget for the facilities
needed to treat post-abortion complications? And where is the right of
women placed in the bill? Who really profit from condom, the pill,
IUDs and other contraceptives? Is it not those men who cannot master
their flesh and those who look at their wives as if they are sex gadgets
— objects of pleasure?

Furthermore, what do women experience just to give inordinate

pleasure to their husbands (or to men)? Answer: the side effects and
risks of contraceptives which the RH bill obviously and
commonsensically does not mention. Have you still not heard about
the significant number of side effects of OCPs? How about the link
between condom use and pre-eclampsia? It just happened that I was a
medical transcriptionist, and obstetrics and gynecology is not very
foreign to me. Now, please decide: with the pleasure that men get and
the risks that women suffer (or at least have the possibility to suffer),
where is the women’s right placed in the RH bill?

But one of those things that puzzle me the most is the concept of STD
protection. These are my questions: [1] How absolute is the protection
that condom use gives to prevent STDs? Of course, it is not 100% even
if it is used 100% correct. Why would a law encourage people to risk
their health just to have sex? What it suggests is that man should
accept that self-mastery is a fantasy. “Why suffer no-sex even when
you are sick if you can protect yourself and others by using condom?”
Is it not the idea? Okay, let us assume that it is impossible for human to
control sexual urge, what do you think will happen to him if his/her
whole body are already blisters and ulcers, can he still have sex? Will
he die if he cannot? Will they design a whole body condom for him?
This bill pushes people to degrade themselves instead of helping them
recognize their true dignity as person. [2] And why, why, why do the
proponents of this bill propose that condom use will protect couples
from infecting each other? Where would the infection come from?
Why would your husband or your wife be infected by STDs if you are
not sick? Some fools might say, “It is just for protection.” You would
protect yourself from your partner because you think there might be a
possibility that you both do not know that he/she is infected? Come on!
That is so, so, so insensitive! If you want to be sure that the person you
will marry is not sick, is it not wise to have a checkup before the
wedding instead of throwing away money to the trash bin together with
semen when you are already married? If this was done and both of you
were proven healthy, why would you need to protect yourselves from
STDs? Those billions of peso that the government will use to satisfy
men’s carnal and irresponsible desires can surely create livelihood and
dignified life for the citizens instead. Even unholy fathers know what
to give to a child if he/she is asking for a fish or an egg. If your child
asks of these from you, will you give him condom or pill instead? I
will not. But can good character, industry, self-mastery, and generosity
help a family? It can and it will.

RH bill is proposing a wrong solution to a real problem. Why?

Because its proponents do not recognize the real issues. In the
Philippines, projects mean corruption. That is true from the executive
down to the barangay level. Why give billions of taxpayers’ money to
this unnecessary, destructive, and corruption-prone proposal?

Do we still need to discuss the other parts of the text? I already read
the bill way back to its first publication on http://jlp-law.com, and I
still repeatedly read it. I even proofread and corrected my copy, which
all of the online sources I saw do not (or at least failed to notice the
errors). The principle of the bill applies to the whole document; that is
to say, the intentions of those who wrote it are clear in every word that
was used through the entire script. And what is this principle?
DECEPTION. Representative Edcel Lagman can help us prove that.
The congressman insists that “fertilization of the ovum is not the same
or synonymous to conception.” The purpose of the claim is to prove
that RH bill does not violate Article II Section 12 of the 1987
Constitution of the Republic of the Philippines, which says, “The State
shall protect human life from the moment of conception.” Again, I am
not a doctor but I am not medically illiterate either. And besides, this is
not the only part of the Constitution that RH bill attempts to violate.

Trisha

October 1, 2010 at 9:03 pm | #63

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This bill is not about discouraging people from overcoming

their sexual urges (even if you believe it is something to
overcome; I personally don’t). It’s about protecting those that
choose to listen to their urges. It’s about giving people a
CHOICE. Choice is a fundamental human right. Take away
choice, take away humanity.

vanillae

October 4, 2010 at 5:30 pm | #64

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Take away self mastery and you’re taking away

humanity. Would you like to protest?

raye

October 8, 2010 at 1:13 pm | #65

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problem is, not all people are like you..self

master..only people with access to right
education can do that, problem again is, not all
people had that, and if you think there is a
chance that time will come that everybody will
have the right education (or the best one if you
will) and become self masters (like you i
presume), then you are correct..problem is again,
ancient masters have been wishing that since
time immemorial which brings us back to the
problem..there are too many of us..what do we
do? eliminate them? of course not..that would be
against self mastery..but can we minimize the
growth of the population? yeah i think we can, if
we are self masters..don’t do your wife unless
you want to have a child (of course the wife
should agree with you once you decide to it with
her, if not, then don’t..she might feel that you
are using her as a sex object)..otherwise you are
not a self master..but can we use other means
that can prevent conception while we do it?
hmm..i don’t know..what do you think master?
enlighten us..what is the solution to our growing
problem of over population…?

vanillae

October 8, 2010 at 5:00 pm | #66

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“problem is, not all people are like

you..self master”

So the solution is to remain slaves? With

your statement, you are approving that to
take away self-mastery is to take away
humanity but you still want to present
another option. Aside from being human,
do we have another option? What is that?
To be animals? What you’re really
saying is that not all human beings can
be humans.

“only people with access to right

education can do that”

Only people with access to right

education can be human? Hmmm…you
have a point there, but if I am not
mistaken, you are referring to scholastic
education, which in reality is not really
helping us that much when it comes to
self-mastery or being human. Academic
schools teach us academic skills, of
course. Values education comes from
home and church. It’s ironic that the RH
bill even wants to snatch these right and
duty from them – another reason why it
should not be passed as a law. You don’t
need lots of money to have morality.
You can’t buy one anyway. Or else, I
assume that you’re suggesting poor and
uneducated people are automatically
immoral or slave or not human.
You are trying to make a series of
unfortunate events, but unfortunately (or
maybe fortunately, I should say), you
have used a wrong link and it has
disconnected everything.

“what is the solution to our growing

problem of over population…?”

What is overpopulation, by the way?

Who are the sources of that concept?
Have you proven its existence? Can you
show us the proof? Rather, it is because
of its popularity that it became “true”. “If
the US say it, it must be true!” In any
problem, the first step is to prove that the
problem exists. Now, if you will say that
the country’s economic poverty is the
proof of overpopulation, then the
conclusion is wrong. A country is not
poor because there are many people, and
it is not rich because there are few
people.

Think of this. If you are working 20

hours a day, would it automatically make
you rich? No. Wage rate is a factor.
Environment is a factor. Expenditure is a
factor. Attitude towards money is a
factor. And if you are being robbed
everyday, will your P1-million-per-
month income make you rich? Many in
this country (and in other countries) are
poor because some are too rich; because
no one wants to be his brother’s keeper.
(Now, don’t take the word “no one”
literally.) If the wealth of the country is
distributed with proper equation, nobody
should be hungry. You might say, “Well,
that’s a good dream that cannot come
true.” Yes, it will not come true because
instead of addressing the real problems,
we choose to blame the issue to other
things such as population and lack of
resources, for the sake of convenience. If
we are really looking for the true
solution, the best thing is to open a table
for suggestions, instead of ignoring
everyone else and proposing family-
related policies, violating the rights of
families and family associations /
organizations, and disrespecting the Law
of the Land. Edcel Lagman and
company’s behavior is surely not the
answer, and is actually a very bad
example.

goldenerro

December 21, 2010 at 7:50 pm |

#67

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you are right. scare mongers want

to use the too-much-population-
causes-hunger silly argument. It
is easy to understand by the dumb
majority but it is always an stupid
argument. the problems always
lies with MONEY. as long as
Central Bank produces unlimited
fiat money, poverty will never be
solved because there will always
be transfer of wealth and sweat
from middle class and poor to
few rich and elite bankers.

John

May 19, 2011 at 1:49 pm | #68

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@vanillae,
I just want to second the motion
regarding what you’ve said,
because you’re definitely right,
population is not the problem,
and we are not poor because of
 overpopulation, let me sight an
example, what about China,
China I think has the most
quantity in terms of population
yet they are a progressing
country, it is because people and
government there choose to solve
the problem by thinking of good
and beneficial solution and not by
passing a law for a “problem”
that is really not a problem and
what vanillae have said, may
really not exist. poverty is not
because of population, it is
people choose to be poor and
government choose it to let it be
just that way. RH bill is not
needed by this or by any country.

jerico

June 13, 2011 at 12:38 pm

| #69

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excuse me? are you aware

of 1 child policy of china?
and if ever you want more
than 1 child, then you
have to pay a big amount
of money to do so! pls
research first before you
comment!

NAC

February 17, 2011 at 9:29 am | #70

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Did I get you correct raye that husband
can only have coitus with his wife for
purposes of child bearing?

(just a word of advise to all who gave

comment to please refrain from insulting
each other)

wawam

February 17, 2011 at 2:40 pm |

#71

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this is the stand of the catholic

church – sex is meant for
procreation.

krissyinthecity

April 26, 2011 at 5:59 pm

| #72

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but sex is one of the basic

human needs…we always
here this in mass “go and
multiply” people usually
take it literally when in
fact it means we should
multiply in God’s
belief…

this bill is not saying that

we should refrain from
bearing a child and that
we should put an end to
the human
 population…contraceptiv
es are there but you are
not really forced to use it
if you don’t want to…this
is not “the two child
policy” even the family
code of the Philippines
say that you can have as
many children as you
want as long as you can
provide their needs…

down2one

October 11, 2010 at 5:22 pm | #73

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‘self-mastery’ would include the right to make

your own choice. so if you take away someone’s
right to choose, you take away their ‘self-
mastery’, wouldn’t you think so?

vanillae

October 11, 2010 at 6:39 pm | #74

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down2one :
‘self-mastery’ would include the
right to make your own choice.
so if you take away someone’s
right to choose, you take away
their ‘self-mastery’, wouldn’t you
think so?

Self mastery is “the conscious control of

one’s behaviour”; it is going beyond
one’s instincts and recognizing
personhood — not letting the animal
decide.

The right to make one’s choice, on the

other hand, can make you choose not to
master yourself.

Besides, in this country, everybody has

his choice; he should be responsible
about it, however.

down2one

October 12, 2010 at 8:34 am |

#75

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so by that definition, people who

cannot consciously control their
behavior (people with
psychological disabilities for
example) are less human and
more animal? i don’t think you’d
agree with that at all… but i think
that’s going off topic.

anyway, you raise a fine point

when you mention responsibility.
of course everybody should be
responsible for his own choices
and actions.

vanillae

October 12, 2010 at 9:21

am | #76

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 down2one :
so by that
definition, people
who cannot
consciously
control their
behavior (people
with psychological
disabilities for
example) are less
human and more
animal? i don’t
think you’d agree
with that at all.

You are right, I would not

agree with that at all. The
quoted definition was, as
was just said, quoted. It
was not my own
definition but I
understand it anyway.
People who have
psychological disabilities
are not less human just
because they cannot
consciously control their
behavior. Their humanity
is determined by their
nature since they simply
don’t have a choice like
us to consciously act as
humans. The people in the
issue of human
responsibility, on the
other hand, are those who
have normal mental status
but choose to obey their
instincts, instead, and
disregard their moral
sense. It is choosing to be
more carnal than
intellectual; slaves of
drives instead of masters
of it — in short, more of
an animal than of a
human.


 down2one

October 12, 2010

at 5:22 pm | #77

Quote

but if they do
choose (or give in,
or whatever) to
their uh… carnal
instincts, but act
on them in a
manner that is
responsible or
moral. wouldn’t
that would make
them intellectual
masters of
themselves?

i would call it
intellectual
maturity (or
whatever), and i
would even rank it
higher than ‘self-
mastery’

pomum

October 6, 2010 at 3:58 pm | #78

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very smart.

matt
 May 12, 2011 at 12:43 am | #79

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Very well written and rationally argued. This fascistic piece of

legislation is iniquitous in the extreme. It authorizes, which is
its intent, a vast unwanted and unwarranted tier of government
to intrude upon the private domain of the individual in matters
of human relationships and marriage, parenthood and all
aspects of human sexuality, which are rightfully the proper
domain and sovereignty of the individual alone. The covert and
overt intention of this act is to assert the primacy of the state
and to impose the will of the state upon the individual by duress
and to enforce such with draconian and punitive measures. This
is an evil piece of legislation which should be resist by any and
every citizen who values their freedom and their sanity.

leslie mae

May 12, 2011 at 12:46 am | #80

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This fascistic piece of legislation is iniquitous in the extreme. It

authorizes, which is its intent, a vast unwanted and unwarranted
tier of government to intrude upon the private domain of the
individual in matters of human relationships and marriage,
parenthood and all aspects of human sexuality, which are
rightfully the proper domain and sovereignty of the individual
alone. The covert and overt intention of this act is to assert the
primacy of the state and to impose the will of the state upon the
individual by duress and to enforce such with draconian and
punitive measures. This is an evil piece of legislation which
should be resist by any and every citizen who values their
freedom and their sanity.

edgar

October 22, 2010 at 2:35 pm | #81

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oh really? but still, all sorts of arguments cannot hold water. are you
sure that this bill will really ensure the prevention of widespread STD?
from where did you get that assurance? i suppose the contrary is true.
for each of us who is inclined on sex would do it every time the urges
come. the holes of condom for instance, is bigger than sperm. so if
that’s the case, how could you prevent STD? PRE, go back to basic,
self control. make these people busy…meaning, give them something
to do, that is work.that would surely help them. and the must important
thing that the authority must do is to level up the standard or quality of
education. that education is not about so much focus on sex as what
they do today, but real one. how can you prevent the young not to be
curious about sex if at their younger age you already awaken their
mind of such activity which only adults are supposed to know? to tell
you, there is time for everything. there are more serious problems in
our country that are in need of urgent attention by our government.
after all, what is beyond this rh bill? it’s more on money dudes… again
and again…corruption is the root. everything is rooted in the heart of
man.

goldenerro

December 21, 2010 at 7:54 pm | #82

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why you people always believe that the government is too good
that it can always take care of you? all the politicians and
bureaucrats want is your tax money.

Jerome Aparece

February 15, 2011 at 9:04 pm | #83

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You know why it is ineffective? Because of lack of discipline! No, it’s

not really that such rhythm method is ineffective. Yet, it’s only the
couple who lacks discipline.


NAC

February 17, 2011 at 9:18 am | #84

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I agree with you soundjudgm when you mentioned “ineffective rhythm

method”. Lot of Filipino women have irregular menstrual cycle and to
rely only to church promoted natural method will only result to so
many pregnancies. It is settled that abortion is a crime. In the same
manner that using condom will definitely result to abortion. Legally,
we need to know the kind of medicines used if it prevent the meeting
of the sperm and the ovum or it kills them after their rendezvous.

tomprober

May 23, 2011 at 8:12 pm | #85

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If the microscopic holes of condoms measure 5 microns and the aids

virus measure only 1 micron, how can condoms prevent aids? If pills
and IUDs abort the life of the unborn from conception, how can these
prevent killing?

wawam

May 23, 2011 at 8:59 pm | #86

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the presence of microscopic holes in condoms is just a scare

tactic that has not basis. stop spreading lies.

pope benedict recently said male prostitutes can use condoms.

he had no worries on microscopic holes in condoms.
o

PJ

June 27, 2010 at 8:31 am | #87

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nope, in some way this Bill is good i think you should read the bill again for
you to understand because abortion also remain as a crime it is punishable

vanillae

October 4, 2010 at 5:32 pm | #88

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You are being deceived by the wordings of this bill. It has no power to
make abortion legal even if it choose to. Only a charter change can
make that.

pomum

October 6, 2010 at 4:07 pm | #89

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must be “against abortion” but what would happen to those who have
undergone abortion? the people will even more get encouraged
because the government will take care of them.

tart gomez
 October 5, 2010 at 9:55 am | #90

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hahahahaha you dont understand the bill.. how come that teenagers has a free
access to abort baby.. the bill is about contraceptives… hello… read it first
dami mong alam tanga

Arthur

December 9, 2010 at 3:01 am | #91

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I hate this Bill because it legalized contraceptives..

Let us do some definition..

Contraception come from the words “contra” and “conception.”
Contra-means against
Conception-means beginning of life or we simply say life
Therefore, the word contraception literally means against life..

Forbid me, but I would say that this RH Bill is for killers..
If this policy will be observe in our country, we will be oblige to kill, to
become murderers of the unborn..remember, thou shall not Kill..
If you are a Catholic Christian or a Christian who lives with the Faith in
Christ, the Bread of Life, the Son of God, you must not adhere to this Bill….. I
warn you, the RH Bill is a rebellion against God, the Source of Life..

Praticallity?
Overpopulation is not really the problem of our country.. There are countries
like Japan who have great number of people but have small land area yet they
manage to become a Tiger economy country.. We have preferable population-
land area ratio than that of japan..
In fact, population is an asset for a country.. Even on Ancient times until now,
the pioneering country for civilization are those who have great number of
population..

Health?
According to study, the HIV Virus is 5 times smaller than the diameter of the
hole of a finest rubber… So, how can a condom prevent the disease?

o
 MJGS

February 12, 2011 at 11:50 pm | #92

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abortion is not the solution neither the use of artificial contraceptives. instead
of squandering the budget on the harmful waste that the “1st world countries”
wanted to dump on us better construct new high ways,schools and public
hospital as well increase the budget of the social services. the rh bill is
diabolical since those persons who are in favour embraces the luciferian
doctrines. conduct your research over at you tube, where there are many
videos exposing the agenda of the satanic new world order. sad to say,there
are world leaders involved in this. if we value our sovereignity of the nation,
reject the rh bill before those with evil designs take over our national resources
and lives. it promotes promiscuos behaviour too and the myth of safe sex
which is so abdsurd!

Mr. X

March 14, 2011 at 9:42 am | #93

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“our constitution mandated that every people has the right to fight for there
freedom to live” – it is correct. but as far as i know, from what i have read,
legalizing abortion or killing is not what this bill is trying to implement. don’t
be too narrow minded, open up your mind. RH Bill only gives us an option
which is applicable in our daily lives. remember, only an option. still it is our
own will should be followed.

MARS

April 21, 2011 at 4:32 pm | #94

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 I agree with you…. some people are so narrow minded….. they always
think negative…. Now ask those people why they are suffering poverty
they answer ” kulang sa budget ang kinikita ko, wala sila makain at
dahil sa gobyerno na corrupt” but ask them this Ilan yung anak mo? ”
6″ “8″ “10″… yun pala nagihirap ka eh… alam mo na kulang na ang
budget mo pinarami mo pa ang anak mo….

zatho

May 18, 2011 at 1:07 am | #95

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bro, the rh bill is not an option, it does not give you a choice. it has
mandatory provisions. which removes the choice of people, who
believe that that parents are primary responsible for the moral
upbringing of their children. It makes it mandatory for all school
children from grade 5 to fourth year high school to attend lessons
which inherently includes how to use condoms, contraceptives, and
thereby teaches them that it is right to use these devices. these
teachings fall under the moral upbringing principle. the rh bill will
prevent and preempt the parents from exercising their right to teach
their children the values about self discipline, self control. The rh bill
counter-acts these moral values. it will teach children to do use
condoms, pills etc. if you can not control your sex urges.. rather than
teach them how to control these urges.

Also it has mandatory provisions that forces employers to provide their

employers with these contraceptives. Where is the free choice there?

The proposed rh bill also penalizes anyone who would provide

information which is contrary to the provisions of the rh bill (in the bill
they call it misinformation) if passed into law anything that you say
that is contrary to what the government say may be construed as
misinformation. where is the freedom of speech there?

wawam

May 18, 2011 at 10:37 pm | #96

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It gives couples the freedom to make an informed choice on the

contraceptive method best suited for them.

John

May 19, 2011 at 2:11 pm | #97

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IT IS CALLED LAW if it is passed because it is mandatory, there will

never be a choice once you’ve been under a certain law. kaya nga
tinawag na batas,kung mapapasa man, hopefully not, may choice ka ba
pag batas ang nagsalita? think critically before you choose your side
regarding this matter.

krizien estrella

March 26, 2011 at 10:00 am | #98

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RH bill doesnt talk about legalizing abortion, its about wise decisions and
controlling population. it focuses in using contraceptives and not aborting..
pls. think about what you are commenting…

Artemis Fowl

March 27, 2011 at 12:06 am | #99

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With all due respect, Section 3 paragraph (m) of the Bill pertinently provides:
“…While nothing in this Act changes the law on abortion, as abortion remains
a crime and is punishable..” The Bill does not legalize the act of abortion
 neither does it promote the act stating that abortion remains a crime that is
punishable by law. It must be emphasized that this proposed legislation puts a
premium on the health and welfare of women by providing them with
necessary information and the means to decide for themselves the number of
children that they would have.

I request you therefore to carefully read the law first before making any hasty
generalization. You must remember that you are not helping in the pursuit of
an enlightened debate on the subject but rather causes confusion that misleads
our fellow Filipinos.

Thank you.

GISING

March 27, 2011 at 4:35 pm | #100

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kung ako ang presidente ng pilipinas, matagal na tong naging batas.

“Give to Ceasar what is Ceasar’s and to God what is God’s”

John

May 19, 2011 at 2:17 pm | #101

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buti na lang hindi ka presidente at sana hindi ka maging presidente

kahit kailan. FYI, kahit presidente ka hindi pwdeng basta2x pag gusto
mong mgpasa ng batas eh magiging batas agad yun, may kongreso at
senado na dadaanan yan, ilang session at pagpasa at debate ang
dadaanan n’yan bago maging batas, so relax ka lang ah, hindi
magiging batas ang RH bill, mananatili na lang yan as a bill and never
a law, God Bless us all.

o
 rad

April 22, 2011 at 3:28 pm | #102

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If you do not agree to the RH BIll and if you think that it is not an answer to
population control, than what is? Please don’t tell me that there should be self-
control because it is apparent in our society that there is no self-control and we
cannot change what is human nature. This is the reason why RH Bill is passed
because people could not control themselves. Let alone husbands who demand
to practice their rights. I, myself, do not agree with the abortion part but that is
why there are informed choices. The number of our population versus the
income that each family is gaining is way out of balance. I am a catholic but I
don’t see any action from the catholic church to alleviate poverty. Who
provides livelihood programs? The government. The government is the one
who finds ways to enhance our way of living. This is the same way. The
government is only there to ensure that the citizens of the country can have a
better future. If you have gone to the mountains where most people are
illiterate, you will see most of them with, at least, a dozen children. Their
reason? So that their children could work in the future and provide for them
when they grow old and, mind you, these children could not be sent to school
due to poverty. I also have seen several parents who physically abuse their
children because they think it is discipline.These people are not ready for
children, they had children because it is a part of marriage. Now, tell me,
which is the greater evil? To control the population or to let the children be
brought to the world without ensuring their future? Poverty is everywhere in
our country, the government does everything in it’s power (minus the
corruption) to alleviate this. What does the catholic church do about this?
Well, they provide outreach programs. Yes, it helps but temporarily. Give a
man fish and you feed him for a day but teach the man how to fish and you’ll
feed him for a lifetime. This is what most people fail to see, the positive side
of it. If the RH Bill should be passed it is to help the citizens of this country
and if someone decides to have an abortion, it is not the governments fault but
that will be the sin of the one who acted upon it. Temptation will always be
there and it is not a sin. Temptation only becomes a sin when you give in to it.
You really can’t expect your children to wear chastity belts, would you?
Prudence and self-control can be taught by the parents and not by the
government.

opinion ko lng

April 25, 2011 at 12:29 pm | #103

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 “Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy by the removal or expulsion of a
fetus or embryo from the uterus, resulting in or caused by its death.” so where
is the “abortion” during intercourse using contraceptives? and if i’m right, you
have the power to choose from natural or in modern way for family planning.it
doesn’t mean that”we” who are pro RH bill don’t believe in god our creator.
Pero mas kasalanan ata na mag anak ka ng mag anak tapos hindi mo na
maibibigay ang pangangailangan ng bawat anak mo? sasabihin mo ngaun “e di
wag mag anak ng madami” there is the point, family planning. ed under yun
ng RH bill. Still it’s up to you kung pano mo gagawin ang family planning. isa
pa, cguro ayos lang na pag aralan ang topic na ito sa school at dapat may
guidance din ng magulang, oo ndi dapat gobyerno ang nagtuturo nito sa atin,
pero lahat ba ng magulang e open pag usapan ang mga ganitong bagay?
parang hindi naman. para rin ito sa ikabubuti ng ating bayan.

janice

May 4, 2011 at 12:22 am | #104

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RH bill does not promote abortion, please read with understanding! RH bill is
to protect every woman, children s health! i agree

milden ponce

June 13, 2011 at 6:16 pm | #105

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yes! that is right

Sammie

May 9, 2011 at 1:16 am | #106

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 But it said: “Prevention of abortion and management of post-abortion
complications”. If unwanted pregnancy could be avoided, then the need for
abortion could be minimized.

yssa

May 11, 2011 at 6:28 pm | #107

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“it gives every woman specially the teenager to have the rights and free access
to abort the baby inside the womb of the mother” are insane? you didnt read
the RH bill carefully.. abortion is not legal in Phil…so if this constitution have
been said anything about it (you imply).. its contradict dude..;(

villa

May 15, 2011 at 6:32 pm | #108

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section 3 of this bill states that abortion is still an illegal act.

Roel Maraya

May 19, 2011 at 10:36 am | #109

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Kathrine, please be reminded that it’s a crime when you swiftly heave a
brickbat on something without fully understanding it. Avoid giving comments
based on your selfish vista. Read with comprehension and give out justifiable
comments on this matter and all the issue you would like to throw comments
to. God bless you!

o
 Roel Maraya

May 19, 2011 at 10:47 am | #110

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Kathrine, please be reminded that it’s a crime swiftly heaving a brickbat on an

issue. The problem with most of us is that we throw comments not based on
factual ideas but based on our selfish vista and understanding. Please in-store
in your mind that giving off factual comments on a certain issue isn’t a teensy-
weensy propaganda. Use your wits appropriately and read with comprehension
so that when you give comments, it’s not absurd. God bless!

aquamermaid

May 19, 2011 at 6:24 pm | #111

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The RH bill does not give anyone the right to abortion. Abortion will still be a
crime punishable by law. RH bill will give free information on family
planning and healthcare. What is so wrong with that? Should the information
only be for the benefit of the rich and the poor be damned?
Talk to your maids and factory workers. They have so many children and no
way to support them. At least give them a choice in life. Let them have the
opportunity to live a comfortable life. In the end, it is still their choice whether
or not to follow. But to inform them is not wrong at all.
I am Catholic and I love God, but this does not stop me from opening my eyes
to the reality of life- which is poverty.

May 25, 2011 at 8:05 pm | #112

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This is just stupid, all of you can oppose the RH bill but when women get
raped you have a bigger chance getting charity from a street dog than the
 church, blaming the poor no not the poor just the overwhelming number of
people around the phils rich or poor when you’ve got a tree that only gives 5
fruits a day and then you decide to make a another baby to feed from a family
of five it turns to six is 5 fruits gonna be enough be an idiot and talk back to
that. Moral faggots that what a lot of people are that’s why the philippines is
still the way it is no one ever like to think in numbers EVER it’s always
treasure this and treasure that(ooh so great the Filipino Value is) that’s why
every sing sane person is desperate to get out of the country total hypocrites
these people are they choose to keep the people ignorant to continue there own
beliefs but when a beggar steps in front of there door every hides and asks the
helpers to shoo them away you people should be ashamed of your selves. Lets
keep the filipino way ooh yeah that’s a great idea don’t ever change it not even
a single bit you don’t need statistics and fact to prove this one that’s why all
show are filled to the Brim with God and Values and have been nothing but a
cycle of drama,comedy,horror,drama,drama DRAMA but when you take look
outside the street does anybody shelter the woman with 8 children ooh no let’s
stay away from her she’d just stink up the whole house hypocrites all of you.
All of you can keep on trying to fool yourselves by preventing this BIll and
keeping the populace ignorant Heck Ban contraception from Condoms to Pills
for all I care the philippines can just implode in itself no talk of Nationalism or
Patriotism here not when the person next to you would try to steal your stuff if
he/she could if given the chance, face Filipinos can sound all noble and
justified in their speeches but one only needs to walk in the streets and ask
anybody outside to find the truth out. Go ahead Philippines drop the RH bill
be filled with clueless voters the more desperate and poor people exist the
more politicians can pay to have them selves elected every time

Did I mention that the news suck 25% is full of nothing but ridiculous and
worthless controversies of actors(how is that news?) cause life for the avarage
filipino is so boring and worthless they have to latch them selves to the lives
of celebrities

2.

swan princess

March 1, 2010 at 12:16 am | #113

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i wholeheartedly agree with this bill. it’s time to curb our population growth.
population explosion is a real issue that we must address before it goes out of hand.
population control may not be the be-all solution to our present woes, but it will take
us a long way towards real development. more people means more mouths to feed,
more food to produce, and more government money allocated for the welfare of these
people. it thus compromises the quality of life of the filipinos.
to those who say that it’s anti-life and pro-abortion, read the text of the bill again. and
get dictionaries if you don’t understand some terms.

Anna

May 5, 2010 at 4:31 pm | #114

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This bill is not a solution to the population growth problem of the Phil.
Discipline is. Killing the unborn is just Inhumane. Premarital is just Immoral.
Plus as if Filipino people don’t use contraceptives, they do and still, look
around, the population problem is still present.

proud mama

May 21, 2010 at 5:28 pm | #115

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hi anna, yes it may not be the solution to our population problem.

having said that, this bill is a big first step in addressing our population
growth.i think education is the key and this bill is pushing in that
direction. killing the unborn for health reason – i.e. if the mother’s life
is at risk- although a very hard decision on the parents part is not
inhuman IMHO.

vanillae

May 30, 2010 at 4:52 pm | #116

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True education is a real answer to any problem, but RH bill is

not about education but miseducation. What it wants to impart
are wrong information that would serve to satisfy eugenicists,
and would profit the contraceptive and abortion industry.
Planned Parenthood’s 3.5 billion taxpayers’ dollars just since
1987 is the most crystal proof of this. And where do they use
it? For education, supposed to be; but they are using it to kill
babies instead. Do American protesters win? No! The
government is on the side of PPF and PPF backs up Obama in
particular. Now, don’t give me that naive answer that we are
not America. Almost the whole world is America. Look at
yourself and tell me that you are not America.

Now, the last statement is very prone to dilemma, I understand

that. But let me disillusion everyone who believes as you do:
THE UNBORN CHILD IS NOT LESS HUMAN THAN THE
MOTHER. To actively kill the unborn for the sake of the
mother is absolutely wrong. It is like saying that the child is
less important. No one is less important.

Trisha

October 1, 2010 at 9:00 pm | #117

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Whether or not the unborn child is less human than the

mother is relative.

Imagine: a pregnant woman is told that only one can

live (either her or the baby). If I were her, I would
definitely prioritize my life (because I am most
definitely human) and not the life of the unborn child
(because his or her humanity is still debatable).

nonsequitur

October 4, 2010 at 10:52 am | #118

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The unborn child is human. And that statement

is NOT RELATIVE. Even science
acknowledges that fact– embryologists say that
embryos are genetically fully human being at the
point of conception. Even our law acknowledges
that fact, under our Civil Code a conceived child
are considered born for all purposes favorable to
it.

thewallonthefly

October 6, 2010 at 11:51 pm | #119

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Our law acknowledges it, yes, and I

disagree with this.

It is not an established scientific fact. If it

was, the whole abortion debate would be
over. But it’s not.

I do not believe it is a child because it

cannot function as an individual. I
believe that abortion is an option until
the first trimester is over.

Conception may mean the beginning of

life, but I do not believe it means life
itself.

Again, so much religion is injected into

all of this!

Wilberg

October 7, 2010 at 9:50 am |

#120

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“It is not an established scientific
fact. If it was, the whole abortion
debate would be over. But it’s
not.”

That is so naive a statement.

DNA is already discovered and
explored by microbiology but
Darwin debates are still not over
(although in reality, Darwin’s
theory is already debunked).

“I do not believe it is a child

because it cannot function as an
individual.”

So, dysfunctional people are not

human? Zygotes and embryos are
not parts of a woman’s body.
They function on their own as
their DNAs guide them. That’s a
scientific fact.

“I believe that abortion is an

option until the first trimester is
over.”

Now it shows that you just don’t

support contraception but also
abortion. Let me inform you that
abortion propagandists also
started as pro-contraception and
“anti-abortion”, then they
gradually show their faces as
advocates of first-tri abortion,
then second-tri. Lastly, they said,
“try again”, and pushed women
to the limits of their confused
consciences, then infanticide was
introduced as a “good” thing.

“Conception may mean the

beginning of life, but I do not
believe it means life itself.”

This one is illogical. If you

started a journey, will you say
that you are not yet in the journey
itself? When will you be – when
you’re already at the middle?
This is not about religion, it just
happened that you hate religion
in your heart, and you believe
that science (body of knowledge)
and God (source of knowledge)
are not compatible. Again, that is
illogical.

down2one

October 7, 2010 at 12:07

pm | #121

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one question:
darwin’s theory was
debunked? really? says
who?

don’t bother answering,

it’s so off-topic anyways

Wilberg

October 7, 2010 at
1:48 pm | #122

Quote

I don’t want to
leave you
wondering,
though.

Darwin believes
that life is an
undirected
process. He called
this process
 “natural
selection”. A
Darwinian named
Ernst Haeckel
even declared that
the cell is just a
“simple little lump
of albuminous
combination of
carbon.”

The discovery of
DNA, on the other
hand, proves
otherwise. Man’s
life has an
intelligent design.

Despite the
scientific and
established
discoveries,
natural selection is
still under debates.

Okay, now, back

to RH bill.

idol

October 7, 2010 at 9:49 pm |

#123

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you are so inconsistent to what

you are saying here… think first
before you write…

Skyjet
 November 26, 2010 at 10:29 pm |
#124

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So you mean an embryo has no

life itself and it is not a child?
And the beginning of life itself is
not a life?! Well if you just know
life begins at the stage of
conception! A mother is pregnant
if the sperm entered the egg cell.
What about religion, they teaches
us correctly though not fully!
What is wrong with you is you
stick to your own choice which is
a very wrong one! my friend you
need guidance of the Holy Spirit!

vanillae

October 4, 2010 at 5:40 pm | #125

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Debatable? By whom? Don’t you read the

Constitution (even America’s)? What if some
scientists debate over whether you are human or
not, will you not protest for your life?

Let me remind (or rather educate) you that

slaves were once treated as sub-humans. Does it
mean that they are really sub-humans?

Do you know the word “conceive”? It is the

beginning of something. Human conception is
the beginning of human life. Is that debatable?
How come?

Reginel
 January 21, 2011 at 2:18 pm | #126

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I for one, would give up my life for my precious

baby, even though as you said “his or her
humanity is still debatable”?
and that’s my opinion for your statement!

John

May 19, 2011 at 2:28 pm | #127

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sana hindi ka maging nanay. it just show how

self-centered you are. you are willing to sacrifice
the life of your own child just for your own, how
selfish. ikaw naranasan mo ng mabuhay, bakit
pipiliin mo yung buhay mo, pagdadamot mo sa
anak mo na maexperience ang mundo and the
beauty of life? I just really hope hindi ka maging
nanay, kawawa magiging anak mo. God Bless
you.

nonsequitur

October 4, 2010 at 10:44 am | #128

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We had sex education in high school. And yet a lot of

women in our class got pregnant during their teenage
years and three women in our class alone underwent
abortion. Sex education and information does not really
work. In the USA, they have free access to information
and contraceptives and YET THEY HAVE THE
HIGHEST NUMBER OF TEEN PREGNANCY IN
THE WORLD. Our idiotic government did not do their
research well before passing this bill. Sex education and
 access to the contraceptives are definitely NOT the
SOLUTION.
Edcel Lagman just made this bill because he will
receive a lot of kickback and money from the
pharmaceutical companies who manufacture
contraceptives. Those companies are the ones backing
this up, not the Filipino people.

butterfly19

June 13, 2010 at 9:55 am | #129

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killing the unborn child for health reason…. hmmmm…,,, i

think most of the mom’s would choose to kill theirselves than
to kill their kids….

NAC

February 17, 2011 at 10:48 am | #130

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butterfly19, have you known a mother who chose to die,

and now dead, just to let her unborn child to live?

Does she have children before that child? if yes, where

would these older children go for care? obviously, a
care the mother can give can not be given by an infant.

skyjet

November 21, 2010 at 9:45 pm | #131

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 Tell me proud mama, what values can the children get about
sex education? And if the Mother’s life is at risk, then have
faith in God. It is up to the mother if she choses to let her baby
die or let the baby live and she die. FAITH IN GOD IS THE
MOST IMPORTANT THING WHEN LIFE COMES IN A
DILEMMA!

Jose

September 30, 2010 at 11:10 pm | #132

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Premarital is not immoral. It is immoral because that is what the

Church wants you to say.

click

October 3, 2010 at 2:27 am | #133

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Well probably beacause youre not a Catholic and thats your

best answer.??

joe

October 4, 2010 at 10:37 am | #134

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pre marital is immoral not because the church says it so, it is

immoral because sex is for married couples only.
it is to be practice in the context of marriage .


 Joall

October 4, 2010 at 10:12 pm | #135

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Jose, sana pagnagkaanak ka maging babae man o lalaki mahuli

mong nakikipagtalik sa murang edad. Ano kaya ang
mararamdaman mo kung sa edad na 15 hindi na virgin ang
anak mong babae or anank mong lalaki na 15 anyos nakabuntis
na? Huwag nawa mangyari sa iyo yun.

John

May 19, 2011 at 2:54 pm | #136

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si Jose kasi sarili lang ang pinrotektahan pano gawain

nya yun. matakot ka naman sa Diyos, kung meron man.
God Bless you.

en05

February 21, 2011 at 12:25 pm | #137

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May God forgive you.

Trisha

October 1, 2010 at 9:01 pm | #138

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Those who reproduce at an incredible rate are those who cannot afford
proper contraception and do not have access to reliable information.

click

October 3, 2010 at 3:21 am | #139

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Oh MY GOD, how much is condom my dear, 25-30 pesos 3

pcs. kung ayaw gumamit ng BF mo nyan at nasasakripisyo ang
kasarapan nya, wag mong gawing sagot ang pagsasaligal ng
pills. Im just 24 and planning to have a family, with the way
things go di ko muna itutuloy ang pagpapamilya, dahil
natatakot ako sa mga pinaggagawa ng gobyernong to, Im not
against this Gov’t, maganda nga ito at open sila for sentiments,
sana lang ay mpakinggan.. d ako yung tipo ng lalaki na
papayag masaligal yung pills at ipapainom ko sa girlfriend ko
at pag di pa nakontento papatol ako sa mga babae na nagtatake
din ng pills dahil di sila mabubuntis.. Bakit hindi nyo ibuhos
yung pondo sa Bill na ito sa Edukasyon, na malinaw na
kailangan ng mga iresponsableng magulanga na anak ng anak.
anjan naman ang condoms, contraceptives pero di sila
madisiplina gumamit, well d rin kasi makapagimpose ng
mabigat na parusa sa mga iresponsableng magulang.

Im not a Law Maker pero surely we can think of laws that can
make marriage, and parenting stronger. halimbawa magaasawa
ka, bago kayo maaprubahan kailangan nyong pumunta sa City
Hall for background check, counseling, at kung ilan ang
PWEDE MONG MAGING ANAK depende sa income nyo AT
hindi maaaprubahan ang kasal nyo kung wala ang
pagpapatunay na dumaan kayo d2. Pano kung leave in lang,
then mag set sila ng ultimatum na within 3 months (palagay
natin) kailangan mong makasal (at upang makasal sasailalim
din sila din sa BACKGROUND CHECK ) na kapag di nila
ginawa ay may karampatang parusa. ano ung parusa? yan ang
dapat pagisipan ng mga Law Makers, pinaupo natin sila jan
dahil yan ang trabaho nila.

Question : e pano kung hanggang 1 anak lang ang pwede sayo

at nabuntis mo pa si misis, naging 2.
Answer : E di may parusa parin.:D . kung sumasahod ka ng
maliit at bakit mo bibirahan ng maraming anak? gumawa ka
lang ng sakit sa ulo tapos pag nagkakaprobelma ka tatakbo ka
sa gobyerno.

Kung maging pagpapatali ang parusa sa mga lalampas ang

anak, (palagay natin ganon, pero kung may mas magandang
parusa na d sumasalungat sa turo ng simbahan mas ok) sana
naman Hindi na pondohan ng gobyerno ang pagpapatali ng
mga wlang kwentang lalaking ito na naging magulang. dahil
kung 2 anak lng gusto nyan at isang anak lang ang sinabi ng
gobyerno gawin, e pinaboran mo pa at ikaw ang gumastos sa
pagpapaopera nya.

nakakatawa dahil parang may batas talgang ganito at

dinedetalye ko pa kung ano ang mga parusa.. na hindi ba dapat
ay talagang dapat pag daanan ng mga mambabatas para
makalikha ng mga batas na makatao.

Di ba’t sabi sa “Preamble” that we are God fearing Citizens.

Dapat siguro bauhin narin ung preamble, dahil nakakahiya
naman sa mga gumawa ng Constitution.

aso

October 4, 2010 at 11:49 pm | #140

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bakit gago ka ba?

thewallonthefly

October 6, 2010 at 11:41 pm | #141

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Your proposed method takes up more time and money.

Also, 30 pesos to a family that scrambles to put food on
a table is incredibly precious.

Lastly, I’m a lesbian and this bill obviously shouldn’t

affect me.

I determine my morality based on the following:

a. it doesn’t hurt other people
b. it is legal

Passing this bill satisfies both. If you want your morals

intact, go ahead and use natural family planning. Don’t
force me or anyone else to do the same. My choice is
MY CHOICE.

Wilberg

October 7, 2010 at 3:01 pm | #142

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“Lastly, I’m a lesbian and this bill obviously

shouldn’t affect me.”

Not when rape becomes legalized; not when

men – who has freedom to choose – choose to
disrespect you as a result of the doctrines that
this bill is attempting to brainwash everybody
with; not when the State already adopted your
basis of morality.

“I determine my morality based on the

following:
a. it doesn’t hurt other people
b. it is legal”

a. Who will determine whether you are hurt or

not? You? Why would everybody believe you?
If you are hurt, how come they feel the opposite
while they are doing to you the things they
want?

b. Legality came after morality. Murder is

immoral even if it became legal. You may say
that it hurts others. Then again, who will
 determine who is hurt? Once more, consider the
case of slaves.

“Passing this bill satisfies both.”

Wrong. It hurts many people and it is

unconstitutional. Don’t you hear people saying,
“Ouch” or you are deaf? Do you think there will
be forums like this if nobody’s hurt?

koko

March 3, 2011 at 1:14 pm | #143

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NO!! who ever you are, what ever you

are, as long as you are a Filipino you are
affected by this bill whether you like it or
not.

applemae_bewitched@yahoo.com

May 11, 2011 at 3:58 pm | #144

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I do support your beliefs…You’re the man dude!!!

inAAA

October 4, 2010 at 5:05 am | #145

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 LOOK AROUND, do people have enough discipline? We cannot
control people anymore. We need to be practical. If the church doesn’t
want contraception, so let them explain harder to the church-goers. But
technically, we all have the freedom of choice. RH BILL IS A BIG
STEP TO DEVELOPMENT.

vanillae

October 4, 2010 at 5:52 pm | #146

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Define practicality.

We cannot control people anymore? So what do you suggest,

that if we cannot beat them, we join them?

Why will the Church shut its Teacher-mouth regarding a

proposal that violates its members’ conscience, then explain
“harder” why it is opposed to it afterward? Is that the way you
apply your idea of practicality?

Freedom of choice is not a technical thing, it is inherent and

innate. We all have that, so everybody should use it. But to use
OUR tax money against our will, that a grave violation of that
freedom.

koko

March 3, 2011 at 1:20 pm | #147

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sorry,,for the comment.but without people you cannot

developed a country ,it is more likely a
cemetery…development of what???are you a immortal???

o
vanillae

May 30, 2010 at 3:41 pm | #148

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Malthusian theory was already proven wrong a long time ago. It just happened
that contraceptive propagandists relish the sound of their names. Condoms,
pills, IUDs, cervical caps, and dead babies are their daily bread. What we must
address before it go out of hand are the government’s Mafia and those
individual robbers who snatch from us more than half of our wealth. The most
valid question here that everybody should ask is, “I pay may taxes, why do I
see people dying from hunger?”

More people means more mouths to feed, more food to produce, and MORE
MANPOWER TO WORK — to produce food, to build, to sustain the land.
Less new generations mean more old ones. Do you know what it implies?
More senile, more unemployed, more mouths to feed, and MORE
GOVERNMENT MONEY ALLOCATED FOR THE WELFARE OF THESE
PEOPLE.

To those who say that RH bill is not anti-life, get medical dictionaries if you
don’t understand some terms.

And this has always been my question: If you understand that human life
begins at the moment of conception, and that conception is just a layman’s
term of fertilization, and that some contraceptives prevents this zygote (human
being) from implanting itself to the uterine wall to sustain his life and to grow,
then why could you not understand that this bill is anti-life? Besides,
contraception in practice obviously means “fighting against life”, although
they say that it just prevents conception. This is for everybody: If you are
aware that contraceptives actually kill human beings, and you think that it is
time to curb our population growth, the extreme but sad question is, “Why not
kill your parents and grandparents who are not more or less than human than
an unborn child? And why not kill yourself too?” Does it not give you a
VERY negative feeling to hear this? I actually feel nauseous about the idea. It
gives me goosebumps every time I ask that question. Why, then, these people
who clearly understand that some contraceptives are actually abortifacient, and
those people who promotes abortion as alternative if contraception failed, do
not get these negative feelings? Simple — because what’s important to them is
that they are alive, and it does not really matter who will die.

Trisha

October 1, 2010 at 8:58 pm | #149

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Your arguments (including previous ones) assume that

a. only men enjoy sex

b. everyone agrees that human life begins at conception (and thus, a
baby is human)
c. there is a standard for morality
d. the risks of having unprotected sex are less than the risks of using
‘risky’ contraceptives

I’m young, yes, but I understand the terms in this bill, I understand
abortion procedures, and I understand the human condition. I certainly
disagree with parts of this bill, but I believe that over-all, it’s probably
one of the best things that could happen to this country.

Your views are certainly conservative and reflective of your religious

upbringing, and you seem to prioritize relative morality over the needs
of the state.

click

October 2, 2010 at 3:48 am | #150

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yung mga taong wlang moral values lang sasangayon d2,isipin

nyo nalang maidudulot nyan. disiplina sa sarili,moralidad, d mo
matututunan sa gobyerno yan, kahit ilang bill pa ipasa nyan.
upos nga ng sigarilyo namumultahan pa. ano kaya itsura ng
bansang walang moral values. maganda ung hangarin pero mali
ung pamamaraan. maaabuso yan ng mga taong d karapatdapat.

she

October 2, 2010 at 7:13 pm | #151

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I really agree with what this guy has just said. IT IS
NOT MORAL. Imagine your daughter legally having
sex with her boyfriend and she’s like really young. I
could just see the country slowly becoming a very dirty
and sinful.. this bill may have it’s pluses but there
definitely is A LOT MORE NEGATIVE SIDE
EFFECTS.. just think of morality.. think of little
children and their young minds.. they aren’t ready for
this kind of thing..

anti-illogicals

October 3, 2010 at 11:07 pm | #152

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I agree that is not moral in some perspectives,

though I also agree that there is no absolute
moral guidelines in this case. I also would like to
point out that anyone who has a daughter or son
who is above eighteen years of age,
consensually, is having legal sex when they do
it. I haven’t read the law regarding minors
having sex with other minors, but I guess if no
one forced the other one, it is still legal.

vanillae

October 5, 2010 at 4:46 pm | #153

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Let me inform you that the rightness and

the wrongness of an action is not being
determined in terms of legality. Imagine
a legalize murder — would it be good
just because it is legal?


 hello

October 6, 2010 at 12:31 pm | #154

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Then that ultimately violates the purpose

of sex.. which is for married people. if
we teach children to also have a choice
then can’t you just imagine how much
they would do it? it makes sex for
pleasure and the person you’re doing it
with an object for pleasure.. and think
about it, if you’re married.. would you
feel loved if your husband or wife
decided you guys should use
contraceptives like your some random
person he’s doing it with? if you don’t
want children then be careful when
having sex.. it’s all about natural family
planning.. that’s what we have to teach
filipinos.. children on the other hand are
too young to understand the
consequences and by giving them a
choice as well is only gonna fuel their
urge in doing it.. if you think a lot of
them do it now, think about when
contraceptives would be freely given out
and taught how to use.. would you want
your young daughter doing that?

John

May 19, 2011 at 3:26 pm | #155

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alam mo yung “kasal” what’s the used of

it’s sacredness kung pwede pa lang mag-
sex lang nang mag-sex bsta above 18 at
prho nyong gs2, tgnan q lang kung ano
mrmdman mo kung mangyri un sa
 mgiging anak mo. sana naman hindi.
God Bless you.

inAAA

October 4, 2010 at 5:08 am | #156

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Those who disagree to this bill base their reasons to

religious upbringing. People, try to be a realist
sometimes please? People can become delusional when
religious-driven.

vanillae

October 4, 2010 at 8:41 pm | #157

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What is real then?

down2one

October 11, 2010 at 4:17 pm | #158

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fail

tomato
 October 22, 2010 at 11:22 am | #159

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its just not about the religous it is about our

country who live

vanillae

October 4, 2010 at 6:00 pm | #160

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Ang totoo, hindi maganda ang hangarin kaya mali ang

pamamaraan. $$$

John

May 19, 2011 at 3:34 pm | #161

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pera pera lang yan, Edzel Lagman and company,

hindi q alam kung tama spelling, mukha kayong
pera, nawa’y maawa ang Diyos sa inyo at
tanggapin pa rin kayo sa langit pagpanaw niyo.
ayokong magbitiw ng gnitong mga salita kaso
napipiliyan ako, may God forgive me. God
Bless you all.

thewallonthefly

October 6, 2010 at 11:36 pm | #162

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Moral values are relative, something I keep saying.

Oh, and obviously our country’s ‘moral values’ are

seriously whacked, our population increases
exponentially every year.

If you cannot control yourself, the government’s gotta

give you options.

down2one

October 11, 2010 at 4:22 pm | #163

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exactly.

the church has been preaching abstinence and

self-disciple and whatever for decades now.

still, the statistics of premarital pregnancies and

induced abortions are rising each year.

it clearly implies that the church’s methods are

not working.

“If you cannot control yourself, the

government’s gotta give you options.”

couldn’t have said it better myself

vanillae

October 11, 2010 at 5:26 pm | #164

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down2one :
exactly.
still, the statistics of premarital
 pregnancies and induced
abortions are rising each year.
it clearly implies that the
church’s methods are not
working.

It clearly shows that only few heed the

Church’s teachings, and thus the
consequences. Are Americans sexually
responsible? Is it not a fact that despite
the general acceptance of contraception
in that country, abortion is just an
everyday thing? It even legalized
abortion after legalizing contraception.

down2one :
“If you cannot control yourself,
the government’s gotta give you
options.”

If you cannot control your kids from

fighting, will you give them the option to
use boxing gloves and fight each other to
death? Will you also suggest that
prostitution be legalized if rapists cannot
control themselves like what they
propose in South Africa? So, self-control
is just an option now?

Haven’t you heard yet the saying, “Your

freedom ends where my nose begins”?

down2one

October 12, 2010 at 9:13 am |

#165

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it clearly shows that however you

listen to what the church says,
you cannot control basic human
impulses.
 eating, drinking, sleeping are all
examples of natural impulses
(instincts, if you will). even sex.

ever wonder why some priests

become biological fathers?

i also think you’re not getting the

point of the bill. it is about
responsible parenthood and
reproductive health education. it
is NOT about legalizing abortion
at all. i think you said it yourself,
this bill does not have the power
to legalize abortion.

rh bill leads to abortion? how?

that’s like saying that same sex
marriage leads to bestiality. it
does not connect at all.

south africa legalizing

prostitution to avoid rape… wow,
i read about it and it’s crazy
stupid. i’m glad they didn’t pass
it at all.

“your freedom ends when my

nose begins”
love that, it’s just that some
people stick their noses too much
into other people’s business,
there’s no room left for other
people to exercise their freedom,
know what i’m saying?

reading is fun

December 26, 2010 at 12:27 pm |

#166

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“If you cannot control your kids

from fighting, will you give them
the option to use boxing gloves
and fight each other to death?”

i find this, quite frankly, stupid

and hilarious. do you always
intend to kill when you have a
fight with a sibling? you are one
scary person.

that statement only shows that

you are thinking in black and
white…which is quite a
disadvantage when engaging in
debates, especially one like this.

Philonanymous

December 27, 2010 at

7:25 am | #167

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If you cannot control your

kids from fighting you
teach them how to argue
with sense till them come
to a conclusion or a
compromise or “fight
with sense”. Not boxing
gloves. Theres nothing
wrong with his/her
statement.

And its not stupid, try

looking at it from a
different view.

vanillae
 January 2, 2011 at
12:41 am | #168

Quote

Philonany
mous :
If you
cannot
control
your kids
from
fighting
you teach
them how
to argue
with sense
till them
come to a
conclusion
or a
compromis
e or “fight
with
sense”.

Just as true with

self control. If one
cannot control his
impulses, it is not
because of the
impossibility of
controlling it but
because of lack of
training. One
should teach his
senses. We cannot
just eat anyone’s
food when we’re
hungry or just
sleep literally
anywhere when
we’re too sleepy.

vanillae
January 2, 2011 at 12:32
am | #169

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You obviously missed the

point. This is about
control. The statement in
question was, “you cannot
control basic human
impulses,” so the solution
offered was to avoid not
the act but the
consequence. You have
focused on the “killing”
instead of on the gloves. It
shows that you are not
used to analogies which
are very important in
debates like this.

Philonanymous

January 2, 2011 at
1:21 pm | #170

Quote

“Just as true with

self control. If one
cannot control his
impulses, it is not
because of the
impossibility of
controlling it but
because of lack of
training. One
should teach his
senses. We cannot
just eat anyone’s
food when we’re
hungry or just
sleep literally
anywhere when
we’re too sleepy.”
 true true.

” You have
focused on the
“killing” instead
of on the gloves. It
shows that you are
not used to
analogies which
are very important
in debates like
this.”

Who are you

talking to? If me, i
was merely
defending
“reading is fun’s”
answer, stating
that his answer is
not stupid. I am
not joining their
argument.

Bituin

November 25, 2010 at 10:21 pm | #171

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“Moral values are relative” — Uhm… morality

is universal, dear. What is good will always
remain good. What is bad can never ever be
good.

Tessa

May 5, 2011 at 1:48 pm | #172

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 Excuse me, Bituin. But if you don’t want
to be called narrow-minded, you should
at least consider that MORALITY IS
NOT UNIVERSAL. Every nations,
every peoples, have different cultures
and different values. How can you
IMPOSE on others what is right when
they have their own stands on what they
know is right? You must think that
morality is not the same across different
cultures. Alam mo ba kung bakit may
mga taong PRO-RH bill at ANTI-RH
bill?? Kasi for them, morality is
RELATIVE. Think again.

Tecris (aka Cheri)

May 14, 2011 at 1:33 am | #173

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I disagree about moral values being relative.

Even when you say that it’s relative you’re
declaring an absolute.

If it’s okay to eat people in this country, and it’s

not okay in China, then Houston we have a
problem. A line should be drawn somewhere.

vanillae

October 4, 2010 at 5:58 pm | #174

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The two simplest questions that I want you to think about.

When can you say, and who will say, that an action is right or
wrong?
When is wrong right, and when is right wrong?

If you are able to answer that with sound argument, I will

reconsider my position.

jlocute

October 5, 2010 at 9:42 am | #175

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God knows what’s right or wrong. What seems to be

right to a person may seem to be a sin to God in his
infinite goodness. That’s why we need to listen to our
conscience and we need to pray always for divine
wisdom and discernment of knowing good and evil
especially of these days. There is really an increase in
Godlessness these days and will continue at its worst in
the upcoming years unless people changes for better.

Prayer, prayer, prayer! this is what we need to do

always in which many people of this world had
forgotten.

If we are not certain about an answer to a problem, we

are not doing it right. Confusion is from the enemy. He
tends to mixed good and bad things. We need to spend
silence in our prayers.

I believe the Church prays because it is from God. She

(Church which is bride of Christ) knows the good and
bad.

down2one

October 11, 2010 at 5:14 pm | #176

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hi nice speech i have a question about the
prayer part.

how exactly will prayer solve the problem of

overpopulation?

jlocute

October 13, 2010 at 10:00 am | #177

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You can ask God about it through

prayer? Have you prayed about it
sincerely and wholeheartedly? Prayer
can solve problems right? 1 John 5:14-15
says, “This is the confidence we have in
approaching God: that if we ask anything
according to His will, He hears us. And
if we know that He hears us – whatever
we ask – we know that we have what we
asked of Him.”

Be attentive, God may not give you

answer directly. He may use other
people. And you must be very attentive
also, as His enemy Satan will intervene
for distortion and confusion. Like in this
case, overpopulation. What is God’s
answer: abstain and self discipline. What
is Satan’s answer: use contraceptives,
throw away that self discipline and
abstinence as you can do sex anytime.

down2one

October 14, 2010 at 9:03 am |

#178

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how do you even know that god’s
plan is to abstain and not have
sex?
sex is the way to procreation, as i
understand it.

how do you know that the devil’s

plan is contraception?

how do you even claim to know

what god’s plan is? or the devil’s
for that matter?

also, next time you ask god for

something, can you ask him to
heal amputees or end world
hunger? let’s see if that works

jlocute

October 14, 2010 at 9:21

am | #179

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If you ask God you will

know. Did you ask
Him??? Does who seek
will find.

Truly, there are eyes that

can’t see and have ears
but can’t hear.

2 Tim 3:1-4

“But mark this: There will

be terrible times in the
last days. People will be
lovers of themselves,
lovers of money, boastful,
proud, abusive,
disobedient to their
parents, ungrateful,
unholy, without love,
unforgiving, slanderous,
without self-control,
brutal, not lovers of the
good, treacherous, rash,
conceited, lovers of
pleasure rather than lovers
of God”

2 Tim 3:12-13

In fact, everyone who

wants to live a godly life
in Christ Jesus will be
persecuted, while evil
men and impostors will
go from bad to worse,
deceiving and being
deceived.

“also, next time you ask

god for something, can
you ask him to heal
amputees or end world
hunger? let’s see if that
works”

It is written, Luke 4:12:

Jesus answered the devil,
“Do not put the Lord your
God to the test.”

down2one

October 14, 2010

at 6:06 pm | #180

Quote

thanks, i always
love people
quoting stuff from
books.
i have a quote too:
deuteronomy
14:8-9
 “And the pig,
because it parts
the hoof but does
not chew the cud,
is unclean for you.
Their flesh you
shall not eat, and
their carcasses you
shall not touch.”
so i guess
everyone who has
eaten pork is
definitely going to
hell yeah? i guess
we’re all doomed
unless we’re
muslims (because
they don’t eat
pork) or we’re
vegetarians.

anyway… let’s
ignore books for
now because it
isn’t really
relevant to my
question.

“If you ask God

you will know.
Did you ask
Him??? Does who
seek will find. ”

now there’s
something close to
an answer.
let’s say that this
is somehow
proven to be true,
how do we even
come to recognize
the ‘answers’ that
god gives us?


jlocute

October 15, 2010 at 9:27 am | #181

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God is the answer to every problem isn’t

it? Or you don’t believe in that
statement? If you do not believe, then
there’s a big problem. If you do believe,
then you can say that prayer is the
answer because prayer is a
communication with God.

Please ask the Holy Spirit for the gift of

wisdom and discernment so that you will
discover the snares and temptation of
Satan in everything. The Spirit will
speak to you in your heart. It is only then
that you will know what is from God and
what is from evil. You can also speak
with your guardian angel; He would be
glad to help you because he only wants
your salvation.

The evilness of this bill was well

presented here by so the many that are
against on it and yet you still didn’t open
your eyes and ears. I repeat prayer is
important, and I’ll ask this of you again:
Did you pray to God for enlightenment
of this issue?? Please answer and don’t
deceive yourself. Did you pray to God
for enlightenment of this issue?? Don’t
rely on ourselves on every action. Use
heaven for assistance; like am I doing
this right or am I doing this wrong.

I already said that we are in the end

times, in the Dark Age; and almost
everything that are presented in this
world are from Satan. (Please read my
comment here on 666 mark)

Despite of all this you can still continue

with what you believe that,
“Contraceptive is not a sin”. You can
argue with many and even convinced
them. But I tell you when you die; you
will know all the truth. You will not have
an excuse that nobody tells you that it is
not a sin. We have done our part of
giving illumination of this issue.

I tell you again, “Contraception is a sin”,

and is consider mortal sin if done with
“full knowledge and deliberate consent”.
Mortal sin is the sin that condemns
people to hell. It is also mentioned by the
Blessed Mother Mary that, “Too Many
Souls Are Going To Hell”. And she also
mentioned that, “Sin of the Flesh is the
Very Reason Why Many Souls Go To
Hell”.

The graces are around us. It is a gift of

friendship and unity to God. You can ask
more if you wish and God will truly give
it to you especially if you really seek
goodness in everything. In the end we
will be judged according to acceptance
of refusal of this grace through the Holy
Spirit.

My friend, we are part of Heavenly

Family. I tell this to you with
compassion, humility and gentleness.
God bless!

Philonanymous

January 4, 2011 at 10:18 pm |

#182

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I find most arguments that jlocute

is engaged to far from the bill
hahaha but it is interesting
nonetheless, maybe thats why.

Tell me what you think of this

situation jlocute. There was a
man who decided to do an
experiment. He raised his
children telling them that the
stars in heaven were divine
beings watching over us and this
dictated the actions of his
children. Because of this the
children grew “fit” and “good” in
the society. Now the children
believed such things so great that
they influenced others to believe
in the same thing. Now many
people are trying to do good and
everything is getting better.
Seeing as how this changed
everything for the best the father
decided to keep this a secret and
to his grave, he brought the secret
with him. Now that the belief of
that stars were widespread. And
what was once told was now the
truth and what was once known is
not.

jlocute

January 5, 2011 at 1:44

am | #183

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One thing is for sure to

happen with your
statement: that man who
made those things to
happen will be held
accountable to GOD
because he didn’t tell of
what the truth is…

Philonanymous
 January 5, 2011 at
10:16 pm | #184

Quote

Ah but the thing

is. The people
described in that
statement would
be insulted by you
and say that your
straying away
from the path of
truth because you
say that there is a
God when to them
only the divine
things are stars.

Do you see where

I am going?

koko

March 3, 2011 at 1:30 pm | #185

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we are not over populated!!!!!!!!

as it is…
search or look outside your house is it
overpopulated??
ill give you the basis look what happened
to our population (Philippines)from 1950
up to now it is decreasing……

imariachi

May 15, 2011 at 9:24 pm | #186

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ur so very good po… REJECT RH BILL!!!

skyjet

November 21, 2010 at 5:33 pm | #187

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i dont think that over population is the root problem. I dont agree with it. It’s
the corruption, its more about money, that’s the thing most politicians really
want. The real thing about hunger is that no ones gonna work for food.
Development does not always mean a good advantage. More money not
allocated for the welfare of the people, its for the building of mansions. How
come it is a responsible parenthood if you as a parent killing an unborn, an
underdeveloped being, does the thing you do is making a life? or just making a
fun?

goldenerro

December 21, 2010 at 8:03 pm | #188

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the problem lies on your stance that it is the duty of the government to take
care each of us. go back to your senses and pull back self worth and self
respect because you must work to feed your ownself and family, not the
government feeding all of us.

population explosion? like c4 bombs? Urban population density is high as

opposed to entire country population density. so dont be so scared. it is just too
many people are moving into the city. provinces have lesser count of people in
them.

3.

szadeck
March 7, 2010 at 9:09 pm | #189

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the bill still says that abortion is illegal and punishable. And furthermore it is more on
the empowerment of women. The bill is reasonable.

click

October 2, 2010 at 2:17 pm | #190

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This bill poisons the women to many side effects of the pills in many aspects
but more importantly, morally (degrading them by letting them sacrifice their
health by taking that drug knowing the risk it myt cause just because their
male partner doesnt want to use a condom because you know, its thick, it
doesnt feel natural, cant feel that pleasure…for that shallow reason, so what
are you now, a self empowered woman?? haha right ). We already have
access to many contraceptives without the need of this bill. We dont have to
give access to everyone coz it myt b abused. We can just pin point those
irresponsible parents who really need it,like parents that has many kids in
some rural areas , squat areas, and of course with guidance, counseling and
stronger punishment from our Gov’t. Being a parent is not like when you play
PlayStation “ooopps I failed, push reset button, let’s play it again” thats why it
needs a lot of your time, check the girlfriend/boyfriend’s family background,
then a lot of counseling before you go to marriage and honeymoon.INUUNA
NYO KASI HONEYMOON, and guys isnt it FAMILY PLANNING should
be like COUNSELING THING not taking drugs.

one of the reason of Overgrowing Population is in TEEN PREGNANCY, so

does that mean that they will allow teens to take pills and to go PRO
PREMARITAL SEX??? Condoms are already there, I mean teen boys can buy
it from convenient stores, its just that its still a taboo, were still guided by our
conscience. but still theres a lot of teens getting pregnant, meaning boys dont
want to use it. So its fine to take away morality by letting your child go
liberated and let her/him have sex to whoever she/he likes as long as they use
“Family Planning Pills” (haha ryt) Are there any parents here???

so is this really their answer to the overgrowing population problem???


 inAAA

October 4, 2010 at 5:10 am | #191

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Why do you all think that this bill is mere CONTRACEPTION? It

educates people too, guys.

vanillae

October 4, 2010 at 6:13 pm | #192

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Educates about?

SaintPhilippic

April 20, 2011 at 11:49 am | #193

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wew.. nothing ,… just posting for the sake of posting

..^^

4.

markgregorio

March 12, 2010 at 10:46 am | #194

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i think this will not help the problems of the country especially those spreading
premarital sex resulting to single parenthood…i have not at present two
 friends(girl)who is a single mom…..Who do not know how to resolve their
problem…w8 4 my next comment on this…

5.

richarddr1234

March 16, 2010 at 12:01 am | #195

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Bah! Its old people, invalids and gays that are causing this population problem, not
the unborn. Just legalize slave labor and work the old buggers and homos to death,
that should solve it, we spend so much just keeping them alive.

concerned LGBTQI citizen

April 16, 2010 at 2:13 pm | #196

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As far as I’m aware, two women or two men are unable to have children of
their own. Most old people when of a certain age are unable to as well. How
can they be causing this population problem? Clearly, it is ignorant people,
such as yourself, who are laying waste to this country.

down2one

October 14, 2010 at 6:11 pm | #197

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i thin kthe guy’s being sarcastic… i think…

6.
jnews

March 16, 2010 at 1:16 pm | #198

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An inspiring vision of human life, the beauty of marriage and the joy of parenthood
are what are positively offered by the Church, although the Church’s doctrine is too
often perceived as a series of prohibitions and retrograde positions. The marriage act,
likewise, by which husband and wife are united in chaste intimacy, and by means of
which human life is transmitted, is noble and worthy. Ergo, the Church, by all means,
defends the dignity of human life.
On the other hand, the government, by virtue of the RH Bill 5043, objectifies an end
directing to uphold and promote respect for human life. The end of this bill is
undoubtedly for the common good of the suffering Filipinos. It deliberately aims to
lessen if not totally erase the reigning rage of poverty throughout the Philippine
territory. By this, it follows that the bill, in itself, is intrinsically good for it directs to
good. However, digging deeper to every single act of this bill, there are unfortunately
erroneous means of foregoing as such that might strongly defy the human nature in its
entirety and thus cause an ambiguous reasoning. The end of the bill is generally to
uphold and promote human life, but what lie in its means are numbers of irrational
reasoning such that the dictate of reason doesn’t conform to the dictate of practical
reason. The bill for instance, aims to safeguard human life, whereas in section nine
and 10 is willfully and knowingly stated that family planning methods requiring
hospital services, like tubal ligation, vasectomy and intra-uterine device insertion,
among others, shall be available in all national and local government hospitals, and
that hormonal contraceptives, injectables and other allied ‘reproductive health
products’ if they may refer to it that way, shall be considered under the category of
essential medicines. As a matter of fact, almost present in every section of the bill, is
the blatant emphasis of widening and spreading, in a full range, the promotion of
reproductive health services and supplies (e.g.;tubal ligation, vasectomy, IUD,
contraceptives), which in one way or another, summarizes the purpose of this bill.
By this point comes the opposition of the Church. First is the concept of the beginning
of human life, which has been, for so long, contradictory between the Church and
science. Then, it (bill) is morally wrong for it violates right reasoning which is to take
the human nature completely. It is a form of a mutilation of the body, hence,
destroying human nature integrally. It is also to be feared that the man, growing used
to the employment of anti-conceptive practices, may finally engage to conjugal
infidelity or may lose respect for the woman and, no longer caring for her physical
equilibrium, may come to the point of considering her as a mere instrumental good of
selfish achievement of pleasure, and no longer as his respected and beloved
companion. These are just but few unseen if not apparent morally wrong
consequences – if it’s the consequences that they are after to in enforcing the bill- of
the means of this so-called reproductive health bill.
The Church, or that morality doesn’t agree to the proposition of the bill that demands
to give a free choice to the couple whether to engage or not to either of the different
forms of family-planning, for it would mean deliberately allowing them to have a
choice to morally evil decisions. Why not abstain, says the Church. Why not? In fact,
people in married life are supposed to be matured enough with their will and
knowledge. Provided that maturity has been garnered by them, abstinence then is not
a question. Besides, there vow of conjugal love is revealed at this kind of matters.
Nevertheless, there may be differences of beliefs or concepts between these two social
institutions, but it shouldn’t be denied and disregarded that they indeed also share
things in common. Furthermore, the common end present amongst both is the
promotion and respect for human life. It is a moral good. It certainly upholds right
reasoning. What differs is simply the means of pursuing this end, which should both
conform to one another – towards the common good, that is. Apparently, the
mentioned reproductive health services and supplies cannot be allowed, not only by
the church but by morality itself. There are, however, still other matters or means
stated in the RH Bill, namely; abstinence before marriage (Sec. 12), Section 3b and
many others. These are already bound for admission both to promoting human life,
and much more, a moral life. Finally, at this kind of matters, the means conforms to
the end. There are no longer contradictions between the morality and this bill.

vanillae

October 4, 2010 at 7:31 pm | #199

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In short, the bill is a result of hypocrisy. They claim to believe certain

concepts just to make others think that they are “with them”, but they cannot
hide in this disguise or else, they could not say what they really want.

There is no real contradiction between science and the Catholic Faith simply
because science is knowledge, and all true knowledge comes from God, while
the Faith is a revelation from God. The conflict is just between ignorant
scientists like Darwin, and the knowledge of God.

There would be no middle ground for the bill and the Church for if the bill
conforms with the Church, it would instantly stop to exist.

filo

October 7, 2010 at 12:18 am | #200

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 If you think that this bill will lead to irresponsible parenthood, then
you didn’t teach your children well enough to make the responsible
teenagers.

Wilberg

October 7, 2010 at 9:10 am | #201

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Your comment will be more noticed and replied to if you will

not leave it vague.

haha

May 9, 2011 at 3:12 am | #202

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Could you please explain “true knowledge”, and how it came from
God? Is it because Adam and Eve ate the fruit of knowledge of good
and evil, and God punished them because he wants them to disregard
that symbolic knowledge for them to know a certain type of “true
knowledge?”

I know I’m being off-topic here but I’m hoping that you could answer
my question.

Thanks and have a good day.

7.

laverne

April 19, 2010 at 11:26 am | #203

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this bill does not promote responsible parenthood. it will just add to irresponsible
parenthood because by allowing the use of contraceptives, sons and daughters,
especially the adolescents are free to engage in sexual relationships. Parents will
never worry if their children are engaged in pre-marital sex because they think that
with the use of contraceptives it guarantees their children will not end with early
parenthood. This bill makes sex as a normal activity taken without any sanctity. Is it
good that man and woman today will do sex always, with different partners? Sex can
only be done in the context of marriage, if and only if the state supports this idea, then
there will be no problem at all. In the context of marriage, there is no unwanted
pregnancy which is one of the bill’s goal to solve. Why the promotion of
contraceptives?

vanillae

October 4, 2010 at 7:36 pm | #204

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“In the context of marriage, there is no unwanted pregnancy which is one of

the bill’s goal to solve.”

I completely agree.

justagirl

March 30, 2011 at 11:23 am | #205

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eh pano naman po kung madami ng anak ung mag asawa? tpos nag sex
sila, edi shempre may possibility na mabuntis ung babae.. pano kung
hindi na nila ma afford na magkaroon pa ng anak, ndi ba sila pwedeng
gumamit ng condom? kasi ang condom daw ay for abortion… ganun
po ba?

sa tingin ko naman po, gustong gawin ng bill na ito ay ma educate ung

mga tao para maging responsableng mga tao, mga mag asawa, mga
responsableng magulang..

pasensha na po, ako’y isang estudyante lamang.

 

tester1084

March 30, 2011 at 8:51 pm | #206

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I strongly agree. I hope vanillae could see the point you’re

trying to say.

tester1084

March 30, 2011 at 9:05 pm | #207

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This sounds like you want to make unwanted pregnancies to be as punishment

to those who have sex without having intention of having a baby? You want
the unwanted pregnancy to be the punishment for those who have sex and not
prepared financially?

Do you know that in that case you’re not only punishing those who will have
sex but also the children they are going have? How naive. I wish you were
born by irresponsible parents so you know how it feels to be an “unwanted
child”. Grow up and wake up.

John

May 20, 2011 at 11:06 am | #208

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So, by saying that, ok lang sa inyo na konsintihin yung mga kabataan

na maengage sa pre-marital sex dahil safe na sila sa consequence of
having a baby. kaya nga para lang sa mag-asawa ang sex eh, para
mabuo man ang baby, walang problema dahil kasal naman sila at part
 ng buhay mag-asawa ang magka-anak. you guys should wake-up hindi
kami. God Bless you all.

8.

Neigyl R. Noval

April 28, 2010 at 10:22 pm | #209

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There are good things about this bill. But, there are also bad things in it. However, the
bad things prevails–that is the reason why I will present the bad things. You need to
have a copy of the RH Bill on sight for you to be guided accordingly.

Here are the irregularities of the RH Bill. Please read this carefully so that you may be
aware of this:

Section 2. First paragraph: “…respect for life in conformity with internationally

recognized human rights standards.”
–> Why not in conformity with the Philippine standards? Why international? Do we
need to follow other countries way of population control and reproductive health? Or
are we undermined or enslaved by the first world countries? Philippines is known for
its good and kind people like being hospitable, which other countries are seeking to
learn. We have our own standards.

Section 2. Third paragraph: “…sustainable human development is better assured with

a manageable population of healthy, educated and productive citizens.”
–> If you love our country, or if you love other people, you will see that this statement
may promote euthanasia, divorce, etc. If you don’t see it, seek more of its meaning. It
lies beneath the underneath. There will be an unequal distribution of wealth. Don’t
you see it?

Section 3. (a): “In the promotion of reproductive health, there should be no bias for
either modern of natural methods of family planning;”
–> Nothing in this bill that promotes the natural family planning.

Section 3. (e): “The limited resources of the country cannot be suffered to be spread
so thinly to service a burgeoning multitude that makes the allocations grossly
inadequate and effectively meaningless.”
–> Whoa, more money for the rich! If you look at this bill only on its presented
purpose and overlooking its effects, then we have a problem. You see? This promotes
more wealth for the rich.

Section 3. (f): “Freedom of informed choice, which is…”

–> What is meant by informed choice? Does it mean everyone is free to watch x-rated
films? How about the kids? How about a demonstration in class? Oh, it’s our choice!
We are free to be informed of it. Really?

Section 3. (g): “While the number and spacing of children are left to the sound
judgement of parents and couples based on their personal conviction and religious
beliefs…”
–> This statement is contradicted by Section 10.
Continued: “…such concerned parents and couples, INCLUDING UNMARRIED
INDIVIDUALS, should be granted…”
–> This includes minors, and lovers not capable of being a parent. This promotes pre-
marital sex, non-marital sex, abortion, promiscuity, fornication, incest, etc. Anyway,
we are free to do it!
Continued: “…and should be guided by qualified State workers and professional
private practitioners;”
–> Why are church leaders not included? Why do priests, bishops, nuns, etc not
involves?

Section 3. (j): “Development…that seek to uplift the quality of life of the people,
more particularly the poor, the needy and the marginalized;”
–> What assurance will the poor benefits? Please reflect on this. Is it really for the
quality of life?

Section 3. (l): “Respect for, PROTECTION and FULFILLMENT of

REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH RIGHTS…not only the rights and welfare of adult
individuals and couples BUT THOSE OF ADOLESCENTS’ AND CHILDREN’S AS
WELL;…”
–> What reproductive health rights for the adolescents and children? Children are
included, whose mind are not yet mature enough! This may promote a dirty
knowledge about this to the children. Parents will be responsible for this.

Section 3. (m): “…as abortion remains a crime and is punishable, the government
shall ensure the women seeking care for POST-ABORTION COMPLICATIONS
shall be treated…and compassionate manner.”
–> This is again contradicted in Section 10. The bill doesn’t only contradicts the Law
of Nature but violates the bill itself as well. Post-abortion complications in this
statement is only an admission that abortion really has complications.

Section 4. “Definition of Terms”

–> This may not be that heavy but redefining the common understanding of everyone
does not need to be defined.

Section 4. (b): “…which enables couples and INDIVIDUALS to decide freely and
responsibly the NUMBER and SPACING OF THEIR CHILDREN…”
–> “Individuals.” Does this mean that unmarried couples have the right to have
children? I’m using my common sense here. You should use yours also.

Section 4. (c): “Reproductive Health – refers to the state of physical, mental and
social well-being…”
–> Why spiritual and moral well-being not included here?
Continued: “This implies that PEOPLE are able to have a SATISFYING and SAFE
SEX LIFE, that they have the CAPABILITY TO REPRODUCE and the freedom to
DECIDE if, WHEN AND HOW OFTEN TO DO SO, provided that these are not
against the law.”
–> Take note of the phrases that are in UPPERCASE. People to have satisfaction
includes the youth, unmarried, homosexual, etc. And, they may decide when and how
often to do so? How about teenagers doing it every minute on the grassland? It is not
against the law as long as no one saw them.

Section 4. (d): “Reproductive Health Rights – refers to the rights of INDIVIDUALS

and couples to DECIDE FREELY AND RESPONSIBLY the number, spacing and
timing of their children.”
–> Again, the ‘individual’ word. Does this bill really promotes population control in
which I can decide freely and responsibly the number of children? Suppose I receive
great pay, I can raise about 15 children. What a population control. This bill is too
vague.

Section 4. (g): “10. Male involvement and participation in reproductive health.”

–> Number 1 to 8 of this section may be considered okay. But on 10, how will I be
involved and participate with reproductive health? Isn’t it obvious that this refers to
sex? Take note that on Section 4 (c) doesn’t include the spiritual well-being.

Section 4. (h): “…relevant information on all matters relating to the reproductive

system its functions and processes and human sexuality…”
–> This may promote promiscuity in education.
Continued: “…developing NECESSARY SKILLS to be able to distinguish between
facts and myths on sex and sexuality…”
–> How? Doing actual sexual intercourse in class? What necessary skills? Does it
mean the techniques, the positions and the likes? Does it mean the class will have a
film showing on pornographic films?

Section 10: “Contraceptives as ESSENTIAL MEDICINES – hormonal

contraceptives, intrauterine devices, injectables and other allied reproductive health
products…shall be considered under the category of ESSENTIAL MEDICINES…”
–> This is the most interesting part. Contraceptives are now considered as
ESSENTIAL MEDICINES–not only an ordinary medicine but an ESSENTIAL
medicine. We can buy condoms the same way we buy Biogesic. Teenagers can buy
those too at an affordable price. Better advertise it so that small children will learn too
and if possible imitate it through experiments and practice for better reproductive
health learning and to master the NECESSARY SKILLS as depicted in Section 4, h.

Section 12. (g): “Abstinence before marriage”

–> How can this be promoted when the unmarried are allowed to have sex and
reproduction (See Section 4)?

Sections 22 – 27:
–> If this become a law, people like me who loves humanity will have no choice to
obey it. One reason for peoples immorality may be from this law.
I know you are tired of reading my sharing. That only proves that this Bill has many
irregularities. Erase all those above mentioned parts on the Bill, and the Bill may
become better for the people and logical.

stan da man

April 30, 2010 at 1:56 pm | #210

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I like your comments Neigyl. The details are great. I think the reason behid the
vagueness and irregularities of this bill is that provisions like natural birth
control, anti-abortion, abstinence before marrairage, and other moral
provisions were just ADDED to the previous versions of this bill coming from
UN and US just so to make it appealing to the Filipino people. The
congressmen did this too hurriendly to be deliberated quickly. Apparently
there are international pressures at work here.

Another thing I could say about the RH bill is that this law is not needed for
our country Why?
- We already have laws against abortion, against pre-marital sex, against
pronography.
- The church has been teaching natural family planning for decades.
- Other methods of family planning are available in the net.
- Family planning is mandatory to acauiring a marriage license.
- Sex education is already taught in high schools, although, not as a separate
subject.
- Condoms are cheap (although I do not prefer using it)
- Contraceptives are available in many pharmacies but I do not recommend
using them. Its bad for the health that they can kill you (especially women)
quickly; aside for the moral aspects:)
- Our public hospitals already offer reproductive health care.
- Philhealth already covers health care although it is not enough, just like all
government insurance terms are.

Moreover, if this RH bill passes into a law, out taxes may have to be raised to
address the cost of implementing the bill. Imagine giving out free (or
ubsidized) condoms and contraceptives to indigent individuals or couples. Our
popuplation is 80% indigent that its just damn to expensive. Talking about
thinning resources, the RH bill is just another way to make our country poorer.

Sex is an instinct. People did it even before civilization was born. Our children
will know it even if we do not teach it.
Responsible sex happens only after marriage. Anything outside of marriage
(including before) is already immoral and irresponsible.

Most of all, there is no way for the RH bill to solve poverty in our country.
Our problem is poverty and not poor reproductive health. Overpopulation is
not the cause of poverty. We are poor because our wages are low (hello?).
Increasing our wages to first-world country levels is the only practical way of
solvins the poverty problem in our country. Go HYPERWAGE THEORY!

But please do not attempt to forcibly control the population. Leave it to the
parents. Overpopulation is not the problem. In fact, it is the labor force! We do
not want be be another Germany, Sweden, Swtzerland, and Japan. These
country propoulation growth has become too low or even reversed. They are
adopting children for thirld world countries, like ours, just to sustain their
population. Soon enough China will have problems of sustaining a strong
labor force becuase there are not many children born nowadays.

And lo! Singapore is overpopulated… Hongkong is overpopulated… Japan is

also. But they are rich! Why? Becuase their workers are paid well.

OK. I am already speaking my mind. So enough of it. Junk the RH Bill

(again). Increase the wages (several times) of our workers and everything will
just work out fine.

-Stan da man….

Kaizer

May 5, 2010 at 7:57 am | #211

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JAPAN OVERPOPULATED? think again you fool. their population is

already considered old and their government even wants the Japanese
couples to give birth to more children…. before you comment such
stupid remarks, google it first to confirm the validity of your
statement…

Hongkong and Singapore are facing a population boom. their

governments are realizing this. do you think the government will be
able to employ all of the workers in the next generation? they won’t
even be able to increase their wages…

Stan da man think again

 

Bituin

November 25, 2010 at 10:33 pm | #212

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KAIZER:
“Hongkong and Singapore are facing a population boom” —
WRONG.

Singapore is suffering from a lack in manpower ergo they

opened employment opportunities to neighboring Asian
countries. Kulang na sila sa tao who are of the right age to
sustain their progress.

Kaizer

May 5, 2010 at 7:48 am | #213

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your comments are pretty stupid

Neigyl R. Noval

May 6, 2010 at 7:40 pm | #214

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Kaizer, do you have any proofs and references that would contradict
our stupid comments?

I have given all erroneous statements in the Bill. ‘Stan da man’ has
valid reasons. Do you have references that would validate your
reasoning such that your reasoning may contradict our stupid
comments?
 Ok, now to your point:

Japan is overpopulated. Here are my valid references:

http://www.pregnantpause.org/overpop/gnp.htm

“The population of 51 countries or areas, including Germany, Italy,

Japan and most of the successor States of the former Soviet Union, is
expected to be lower in 2050 than in 2005.” –>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpopulation

“Nations that do get a handle on their overpopulation are likely to

receive a scolding from globalists. Consider Japan, where 126 million
people are crowded into a land area the size of California. Annual
population growth has dropped to two-tenths of 1 percent. Rather than
getting credit for halting unsustainable population growth, Western
economists and politicians chastise Japan’s leaders for lack of
economic performance. Japan is advised to grow itself out of recession
so that other Asian nations with less discipline can resume their
growth. Some even urge the Japanese to admit larger numbers of
immigrants to pump up demand for goods and services. Whatever
became of the age of limits?” –>
http://www.nearsightedness.org/doctors/doctors8.htm

http://www.jstor.org/pss/2750087

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_japan_overpopulated

Hongkong and Singapore can increase their wages and that is very
possible but may be very difficult and would take time. However, A
law (or a bill) such as this RH Bill will obviously not solve
overpopulation as I have explained in detail on my last comment…

Please have a nice tone when replying to comments here.

Thank you for the time reading this.

vanillae

May 30, 2010 at 4:12 pm | #215

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Then give your wise comment so that we may learn from your words
of wisdom.
 

John

May 20, 2011 at 11:22 am | #216

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ano ka ngayon kaizer? tsk3x… let’s be nice guys, debate lang ‘to hindi
away.

vanillae

May 30, 2010 at 4:07 pm | #217

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The only thing that I do not agree with is the first sentence. This bill is ill-
intended. Even Satan will profess that Jesus is Lord but it does not make him
any good. Those points in the RH bill that sound good may really be good but
unnecessary. One of the most obvious examples is the promotion of
breastfeeding, which does not need a bill to realize. Did it need an RH bill for
us to hear the government’s message on television that says, “Hindi hayop ang
anak mo,” promoting human breastfeeding? These elements of the bill is for
deception’s purpose. It applies a sandwich approach (or maybe a halo-halo
approach), mixing good concepts with evil ones, not to produce real good
results but to hide the bad ingredients.

anti-illogicals

October 4, 2010 at 12:03 am | #218

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Neigyl R. Noval :
There are good things about this bill. But, there are also bad things in
it. However, the bad things prevails–that is the reason why I will
present the bad things. You need to have a copy of the RH Bill on sight
for you to be guided accordingly.
Here are the irregularities of the RH Bill. Please read this carefully so
that you may be aware of this:
Section 2. First paragraph: “…respect for life in conformity with
internationally recognized human rights standards.”
–> Why not in conformity with the Philippine standards? Why
international? Do we need to follow other countries way of population
control and reproductive health? Or are we undermined or enslaved by
the first world countries? Philippines is known for its good and kind
people like being hospitable, which other countries are seeking to
learn. We have our own standards.
Section 2. Third paragraph: “…sustainable human development is
better assured with a manageable population of healthy, educated and
productive citizens.”
–> If you love our country, or if you love other people, you will see
that this statement may promote euthanasia, divorce, etc. If you don’t
see it, seek more of its meaning. It lies beneath the underneath. There
will be an unequal distribution of wealth. Don’t you see it?
Section 3. (a): “In the promotion of reproductive health, there should
be no bias for either modern of natural methods of family planning;”
–> Nothing in this bill that promotes the natural family planning.
Section 3. (e): “The limited resources of the country cannot be suffered
to be spread so thinly to service a burgeoning multitude that makes the
allocations grossly inadequate and effectively meaningless.”
–> Whoa, more money for the rich! If you look at this bill only on its
presented purpose and overlooking its effects, then we have a problem.
You see? This promotes more wealth for the rich.
Section 3. (f): “Freedom of informed choice, which is…”
–> What is meant by informed choice? Does it mean everyone is free
to watch x-rated films? How about the kids? How about a
demonstration in class? Oh, it’s our choice! We are free to be informed
of it. Really?
Section 3. (g): “While the number and spacing of children are left to
the sound judgement of parents and couples based on their personal
conviction and religious beliefs…”
–> This statement is contradicted by Section 10.
Continued: “…such concerned parents and couples, INCLUDING
UNMARRIED INDIVIDUALS, should be granted…”
–> This includes minors, and lovers not capable of being a parent. This
promotes pre-marital sex, non-marital sex, abortion, promiscuity,
fornication, incest, etc. Anyway, we are free to do it!
Continued: “…and should be guided by qualified State workers and
professional private practitioners;”
–> Why are church leaders not included? Why do priests, bishops,
nuns, etc not involves?
Section 3. (j): “Development…that seek to uplift the quality of life of
the people, more particularly the poor, the needy and the
marginalized;”
–> What assurance will the poor benefits? Please reflect on this. Is it
really for the quality of life?
Section 3. (l): “Respect for, PROTECTION and FULFILLMENT of
REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH RIGHTS…not only the rights and
welfare of adult individuals and couples BUT THOSE OF
ADOLESCENTS’ AND CHILDREN’S AS WELL;…”
–> What reproductive health rights for the adolescents and children?
Children are included, whose mind are not yet mature enough! This
may promote a dirty knowledge about this to the children. Parents will
be responsible for this.
Section 3. (m): “…as abortion remains a crime and is punishable, the
government shall ensure the women seeking care for POST-
ABORTION COMPLICATIONS shall be treated…and compassionate
manner.”
–> This is again contradicted in Section 10. The bill doesn’t only
contradicts the Law of Nature but violates the bill itself as well. Post-
abortion complications in this statement is only an admission that
abortion really has complications.
Section 4. “Definition of Terms”
–> This may not be that heavy but redefining the common
understanding of everyone does not need to be defined.
Section 4. (b): “…which enables couples and INDIVIDUALS to
decide freely and responsibly the NUMBER and SPACING OF
THEIR CHILDREN…”
–> “Individuals.” Does this mean that unmarried couples have the right
to have children? I’m using my common sense here. You should use
yours also.
Section 4. (c): “Reproductive Health – refers to the state of physical,
mental and social well-being…”
–> Why spiritual and moral well-being not included here?
Continued: “This implies that PEOPLE are able to have a
SATISFYING and SAFE SEX LIFE, that they have the CAPABILITY
TO REPRODUCE and the freedom to DECIDE if, WHEN AND
HOW OFTEN TO DO SO, provided that these are not against the
law.”
–> Take note of the phrases that are in UPPERCASE. People to have
satisfaction includes the youth, unmarried, homosexual, etc. And, they
may decide when and how often to do so? How about teenagers doing
it every minute on the grassland? It is not against the law as long as no
one saw them.
Section 4. (d): “Reproductive Health Rights – refers to the rights of
INDIVIDUALS and couples to DECIDE FREELY AND
RESPONSIBLY the number, spacing and timing of their children.”
–> Again, the ‘individual’ word. Does this bill really promotes
population control in which I can decide freely and responsibly the
number of children? Suppose I receive great pay, I can raise about 15
children. What a population control. This bill is too vague.
Section 4. (g): “10. Male involvement and participation in reproductive
health.”
–> Number 1 to 8 of this section may be considered okay. But on 10,
how will I be involved and participate with reproductive health? Isn’t it
obvious that this refers to sex? Take note that on Section 4 (c) doesn’t
 include the spiritual well-being.
Section 4. (h): “…relevant information on all matters relating to the
reproductive system its functions and processes and human
sexuality…”
–> This may promote promiscuity in education.
Continued: “…developing NECESSARY SKILLS to be able to
distinguish between facts and myths on sex and sexuality…”
–> How? Doing actual sexual intercourse in class? What necessary
skills? Does it mean the techniques, the positions and the likes? Does it
mean the class will have a film showing on pornographic films?
Section 10: “Contraceptives as ESSENTIAL MEDICINES – hormonal
contraceptives, intrauterine devices, injectables and other allied
reproductive health products…shall be considered under the category
of ESSENTIAL MEDICINES…”
–> This is the most interesting part. Contraceptives are now considered
as ESSENTIAL MEDICINES–not only an ordinary medicine but an
ESSENTIAL medicine. We can buy condoms the same way we buy
Biogesic. Teenagers can buy those too at an affordable price. Better
advertise it so that small children will learn too and if possible imitate
it through experiments and practice for better reproductive health
learning and to master the NECESSARY SKILLS as depicted in
Section 4, h.
Section 12. (g): “Abstinence before marriage”
–> How can this be promoted when the unmarried are allowed to have
sex and reproduction (See Section 4)?
Sections 22 – 27:
–> If this become a law, people like me who loves humanity will have
no choice to obey it. One reason for peoples immorality may be from
this law.
I know you are tired of reading my sharing. That only proves that this
Bill has many irregularities. Erase all those above mentioned parts on
the Bill, and the Bill may become better for the people and logical.

Philippine standards – maybe because those standards have proven to be

effective? I have no idea what these standards are though, but I guess the same
goes for you. If that is the case, then both of us are not qualified to make a
logical argument about these standards, so it should be disregarded. On the
other hand, if the standards were not effective, then maybe we need to adopt
our own.

Manageable population – I agree, that is a possibility, though I think a distant

one, since that would require some large changes in the demographics.
Perhaps after more generations have passed.

Either modern or natural – It is possible that natural family planning will

garner less attention, but that does not mean it won’t be promoted. I guess it
will still be an option for those who have regular periods, where this sort of
family planning has proven to be effective.
More wealth for the rich – In any region of the world, at any point in human
history since money was invented, there has always been and always will be
more money for the rich. Sad, but true. Whether this bill is implemented or not
will not affect that truth.

Freedom of informed choice – I guess some sex education videos will be used,
which might not sit very well with a primarily Catholic country. On the other
hand, I think they won’t be on the vein of the x-rated videos that I assume you
are referring to, since those things are just two (or three or four plus) people
having sex.

Freedom of informed choice is just that, freedom to decide with the correct
information at hand.

Unmarried Individuals – I also think that it is possible that such an information

would be used by the youth to take risks they would otherwise not take,
though it might be also true that the consequences will be mitigated through
proper education (i.e. if you know how to use a condom, then it would work
most of the time). Condoms still fail sometimes.

Making the jump to incest is too much though.

State workers and professional private practitioners and not church leaders-
Because of the separation of Church and State. People are still free to go to
religious leaders for sex guidance though, the bill does not prevent that.

Development of the people – As you said, there is no assurance, just like any
other social policy.

Reproductive health rights for children – Reproductive Health Rights, as

defined here, is for overall health – including those that may be affected by
such actions (including children). I guess the law is being broad here to
accommodate different scenarios, such as adolescents getting pregnant,
whether through consensual sex or other scenarios.

Individuals having the right to have children – By law, yes, they are allowed to
have children. Why? Because one, they might not have had the chance to get
married for financial reasons (like a number of poor people). It’s not that they
don’t have the money, it is most likely that they didn’t have the time to
officially register and get married in front of a judge and/or priest. Processing
papers like that takes time, time that can be spent on finding money for food.
Two, they may hold beliefs that are not the same as ours, so having children
does not necessitate marriage.

Spiritual and Moral well being – they are not included in the definition
probably because they are too subjective and have no numerical measure.

Satisfying Sex Life, Capability to Reproduce and the Freedom to Decide IF,
WHEN and HOW OFTEN TO DO SO, provided that these are not against the
law:
 Yes, people have that freedom. Again, respect for their choices. There is
nothing illegal in it. Morally questionable, but nothing illegal. Though they
definitely can’t do it on the grasslands. That’s public indecency, and
punishable by law.

Individuals deciding the number and spacing – Yes, it promotes population

control, though not through strict measures. It prescribes, but does not force
you to follow.

Male involvement and participation in reproductive health – means that they

should also know about the contraceptives and its effects, and other necessary
information about reproductive healthcare.

On Schools – RH Bill and sexual education may promote promiscuity, since it

can possibly eliminate, within a generation or so, the taboo on early/pre-
marital sex. About the necessary skills, I think it refers to decision making
skills, though then again, that can be expanded to include pleasure positions
and the like.

Essential Medicines – Yes, that might be the case. Though, truth be told,
teenagers are already buying them.

Abstinence before Marriage – is not imposed, but is a subject that will be

covered. I guess it would be mentioned as an option to family planning. It is,
after all, the most effective way to do it (100% effectiveness! Can’t be beaten
by any drug out there. The only side effect might be an increased hunger for
sex.)

Philonanymous

November 14, 2010 at 9:36 pm | #219

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I do see some irregularities thank you but just trying to point out, you seem to
make it a point that everyone shares the same belief of “spirituality” and
“morality” as you haha

Perry Ileto
May 15, 2011 at 11:16 am | #220

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Let me answer bluntly to every section you point out.

Section 2 first paragraph: It’s followed on an international level to make sure

standards are followed. We need standards ex. safety standards (remember the
hopeful nurses that burned in that hotel because it did not follow safety
standards?) Mas mataas pa nga standards sa labas. Mas masarap pa nga buhay
ng kriminal sa kulungan sa US kung ikukumpara sa mahihirap sa Pilipinas.

Section 2 third paragraph: The paragraph refers to the government not

worrying about the future of kids because they will grow up the way they
should: with every support from the parents because they can afford to feed
them, clothe them, send them to good schools because they will be able to
manage their finances better. Not euthanasia because that would be mercy
killing and does not even cover this bill. Nor does it cover divorce unless
divorce means “responsible parenting”.

Section 3a: It does not seek to mention natural family planning since the
church already advocates that on a daily basis. But for the sake of argument,
the government will require those authorized to educate others about natural
family planning which are to abstain or the “cycle” method.

Section 3e: “spread so thinly” you incite the rich get richer. Read first then
understand. The government already knows the poor get poorer everyday.
They know the financial stress these families suffer. Think about it, which is
better? A family of minimum wage earners feeding, clothing, providing proper
education, health care, and mentoring 2 kids or 12 kids?

Section 3f: “Freedom of informed choice, which is central to the exercise of

any right, must be fully guaranteed by the State like the right itself;” again
please read. An informed CHOICE. Does that even translate to pornography?
This paragraph explains that every person should have the right to know all
the facts before making a decision.

Section 3g: It speaks that couples can DECIDE to have kids whenever they
want. Meaning if they want to have kids, they stop using contraceptives. If
they say 3 is enough, they start using it again. So basically, it’s not
contradicting anything. And by the way, since when do personal convictions
and religious beliefs relate with supply distribution? Again, sir, read.

continued: “such concerned parents and couples, including unmarried

individuals, should be afforded free and full access to relevant, adequate and
correct information on reproductive health and human sexuality and should be
guided by qualified State workers and professional private practitioners;” You
take things out of context. Let’s face the fact that kids will and DO experiment
with their sexuality. There is no force on this earth that can stop that. The least
we can do is prevent them from having kids they can’t take care of or would
you prefer the child suffer for the stupidity of the couple? also “non-marital
sex, abortion, promiscuity, fornication, incest” happen everyday even without
the existence of this bill. This bill seeks to prevent kids being born out of
wedlock, or from irresponsible parents. It also seeks to educate everyone of
the dangers of such activities like STD. READ!

Continued: Why are priests and nuns not involved? I think it has something to
do with a little thing called “SEPARATION OF CHURCH FROM STATE”.
I’m getting tired of telling you this… READ!

Section 3j: the clear BENEFIT this will bring to the poor is that they will have
better family planning skills, and oh yeah, FEED, CLOTHE, AND AFFORD
TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR KIDS BECAUSE THEY CAN MANAGE
THEIR FINANCES BETTER!!!!

Section 3l: l. Respect for, protection and fulfillment of reproductive health

rights seek to promote not only the RIGHTS and WELFARE of adult
individuals and couples but those of adolescents’ and children’s as well; This
paragraph speaks of the RIGHTS and WELFARE of adolescents and children!
read AND UNDERSTAND!

Section 3m: POST ABORTION COMPLICATIONS means miscarriage of a

pregnancy and not abortion from a clinic. Nalaglag, hindi NILAGLAG! Please
read again…. and of course abortion has complications, that’s one of the
reasons the government outlawed it in the first place!

Your definition of terms:

“Individuals” have the right to want to have kids and not want to be married.
It’s their right. There is no law that makes it illegal since the law does not
discriminate on religious views.

“Reproductive Health” why no spiritual and moral? Because the law leaves
that to the church. See? The government does not intervene with church
jurisdiction. Neither should the church meddle in government rules. That’s
why the church was separated from state because of abusive monks and
priests, remember?

Continued: “This implies that PEOPLE are able to have a SATISFYING and
SAFE SEX LIFE, that they have the CAPABILITY TO REPRODUCE and
the freedom to DECIDE if, WHEN AND HOW OFTEN TO DO SO, provided
that these are not against the law.” This is self explanatory. Like I said, people
have the right to make their own choices without prejudice, which you are
clearly full of by the way. The government respects this, so should the church.
The “WHEN AND HOW OFTEN TO DO SO” refers to REPRODUCING.
Please learn to read. There are courses offered by TESDA for basic English.

I’m going to quote you on this because this is too funny

 “Section 4. (d): “Reproductive Health Rights – refers to the rights of
INDIVIDUALS and couples to DECIDE FREELY AND RESPONSIBLY the
number, spacing and timing of their children.”
–> Again, the ‘individual’ word. Does this bill really promotes population
control in which I can decide freely and responsibly the number of children?
Suppose I receive great pay, I can raise about 15 children. What a population
control. This bill is too vague.”

Like I said, free will. But the key word here is “RESPONSIBLY” unless the
definition for the word “responsible” is to have as many kids as humanly
possible, financially provide for them, but offer no guidance or mentoring or
going to every kids school activity while working full time.

Lastly, men have as much (if not more) sexual urges as women so men should
also be responsible enough to do the right thing.

9.

laverne

April 29, 2010 at 2:05 pm | #221

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RH bill FTW

10.

mario singson

May 1, 2010 at 7:51 am | #222

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I strongly oppose the enactment of this bill. thanks for your explanations. I would like
to have a copy of this item. thank you so much. God bless.

11.

Anna

May 5, 2010 at 4:22 pm | #223

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I strongly disagree with this bill. it will just increase premarital sex which means
immorality so definitely women especially those at a very young age would do such
immorality without thinking. I go with my religion. Thank you. God Bless.

12.

jlocute

May 7, 2010 at 2:53 pm | #224

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We are really at the end of times era. These are all Satans works. The Government
maybe should pass a Bill instead that teaches sex without marriage is a crime, having
sex with person other than your spouse is a crime.

People have been persuaded by the devil that they are entitled to have sex when they
choose, rejecting any unwanted life that may result. The enemy may tell you “God is
too demanding and unreasonable”. “If we distributed more condoms we would not
have disease or the need to abort babies”. “It’s God’s fault because God’s Church is
against the use of condoms”.

Sexual intercourse, by its nature and intent is potentially life giving act. This is God’s
version. The enemy’s version is that sex can be closed to give life and used for
physical pleasure only. Enemy’s version of sex is selfish, emotionally dangerous, and
bad for humanity. The enemy offers an answer to this too, and led souls to avoid
consequences by offering widespread contraception and abortion. Both men and
women are now told that sinful sexual behaviors are allowable and acceptable. God
intends that a man and woman enter a blessed union (through marriage) and then
share their sexuality with one another. The devil is mocking God because he depicts
God’s purpose. He is laughing because many led astray on this sin.

goldenerro

December 21, 2010 at 8:24 pm | #225

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i dreaming of a HUGE asteroid hitting and destroying the earth and killing
every living organisms, and germs like humans. It is a RESET folks!
13.

jlocute

May 7, 2010 at 4:13 pm | #226

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We should be aware how Satan works. As he said “I Pretend to love men, in order to
destroy them; serve them, in order to ruin them and deceive them; help them, in order
to pervert them and draw them into these my hellish regions.”

Isn’t it this bill is one of its form that says will help us? We are deceived then by him
if this one will be approved. Satan’s plan is to destroy us by having and committing
sins against God.

14.

andy bandag

May 8, 2010 at 1:54 pm | #227

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since marcos time, contraceptives were already in use, did population decline? from
city to far flung areas, almost in every corner of the Philippine archipelago, couples,
fornicators, adulterers if not all but almost all been using these trashes, did population
again declined? and what we got? sex starve generation, uncontrolled sexual urges
and it is because of the luck of discipline regarding sexuality, because instead of
educating people, the government offer them condoms, pills etc.

Read this!

May 11, 2010 at 11:54 am | #228

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yes, contraceptives are already out way back then but how many knows how
to use them?
meron nga ankong kabarangay, 9 na ang anak, tinuruan sila ng mga health
worker nang pagamit ng condom. tinry nila, pagkatapos, tinapon nung lalake
ung lahat ng condom nya. “putang ina, walang pakiramdam.” 12 na anak nila
ngayon.

saka, poppulation will NEVER decline unless you go out there and shoot at
each other. ITS THE RATE OF POPULATION GROWTH that is the isue!

other progressive countries have their P.growth rate by near 0% each year.
meaning, namamaintain nila ang pupulation nila.

imagine mo nga, kung meh rate tayo na +20% kada taon. para na tayong
squater lahat by 2020.kahit sa mga probinsya. USE YOUR BRAIN! GOD
GAVE IT FOR YOU TO USE IT.

Anna

May 11, 2010 at 4:24 pm | #229

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DOESN’T KNOW HOW TO USE IT? WHY? IS USING

CONTRACEPTIVES THAT COMPLICATED? STUPID IDEA
DUDE. PLAINLY STUPID. YOU SHOULD USE YOU BRAIN.

vanillae

May 30, 2010 at 4:25 pm | #230

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Wrong! You should use yours. Kahit tumaas pa ng kaunti ang birth
rate ng Pilipinas, hindi tayo magiging squatters sa 2020 o kahit pa sa
2050. Feeling mo siguro di ka na mamamatay. Ilan na ba sa 7,107
islands ng Pilipinas ang occupied ng tao? ABOUT 4,000. Gaano
karami ang mahigit 3,107 islands? Does it sound small a number to
you? But then again, huwag mong pagkamalian na lahat ng buhay
ngayon ay buhay pa sa 2020. Hayaan mo, pag namatay ka, the country
will be one citizen lesser than before.


 pam

April 27, 2011 at 4:11 pm | #231

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your so idiot…. do you think ganyan ang buhay pagdating ng

2020?? naisip mo ba ang kalagayan ng mga tao pagdating ng
panahong yan?? your so blind– tingnan mo ang kapaligiran-
force child labor, AIDS dito AIDS doon, sa sobrang dami ng
tao di na kayang tustusan pa, tapos ano??!! gobyero ang may
kasalanan… hahaha!! naghahanap lang kayo ng masisisi…

Yuri_Diculous

October 2, 2010 at 11:01 pm | #232

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Issue…kulang tayo sa disiplina kaya ang kikitid ng utak ng

iba..papayag kayo sa bill na yan, imoral na tao naman ang
kalalabasan…eh ano kung mahirap tayo externally? may mga taong
materially poor pero mataas ang moralidad..bakit hindi magawa ng iba
ang nagagawang tama ng ilan? gusto lagi ng magandang buhay, ayaw
naman magsakrispisyo para sa kabutihan..shuskupo, kailangan pa
nating mag-aral para lumago ang tamang kaisipan..

MALDITA.

October 7, 2010 at 3:40 pm | #233

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….TAMA TANGA LAMANG ANG MARUNONG MAG

ISIP NANG GANYAN NA PANGET NA SULOSYON/..SA
GANYANG PROBLEM…

15.
 arielpulmano

May 10, 2010 at 12:57 pm | #234

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i will vote villar because he opposes this bill. that’s Villar’s edge for me.

MALDITA.

October 7, 2010 at 3:44 pm | #235

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MALAY MO SIYA ANG NAG PATUPAD PERO DI LAHAT NANG TAO

AY KAYANG SUNDIN ITO….

16.

Read this!

May 11, 2010 at 11:47 am | #236

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common people. RH bill does not promote abortion. period. it seeks to educate young
about their sexuality so that they would not engage in that thing too young just
because of curiosity and ignorance. Also it protects women from different abuses.

1.READ THE WHOLE BILL BEFORE EVERYTHING ELSE

2.DON’T LET THE CHURCH DICTATE WHAT YOU SHOULD THINK. GOD
HAS GIVEN YOU A BRAIN IN THE FIRST PLACE. USE IT!

3.”MAY SOLUSYON ANG OVERPOPULATION AT ABORTION. ANG LIBOG

WALA!” bakit? kahit gano ka katanda at ka mature, tao ka pa din, di ka alien.

o
 Anna

May 11, 2010 at 4:20 pm | #237

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this is SO WRONG! BE AFRAID AND ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. YOU

DUNNO WHAT YOUR SAYING.

Neigyl R. Noval

May 15, 2010 at 12:33 am | #238

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Hi. I just want to comment on your sentences:

–> The RH Bill does promote abortion, promiscuity, etc.

–> Sexuality has already been taught even without the RH Bill.
–> Women is not protected by abuses, but they are more prone to abuses due
to the fact of contraception, etc. Also, the women is endangered when using
contraceptives because it is bad for their health too.
–> I have mastered the Bill and see that their are good effect from the bill.
However the bad effects overcomes the good effects. This is what most people
didn’t see through it.
–> With respect to my presentation on my post #13, I have not only based my
analysis from the Church teachings. The bill is contradicting in itself in some
of its sections to the other sections. The bill has many irregularities, and
erroneous statements, as I have briefly explained on my post #13. I have used
my God-given brain to draw out my analysis with the help of the Holy Spirit.
–> Overpopulation and abortion cannot be prevented (even a slight) through
the RH Bill as explained in post #14.

Thank you so much.

clarence

October 2, 2010 at 12:15 am | #239

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hindi mo naiintindihan ang pagiging “tao” para sabihin mong ang libog ay
walang solusyon. hayop lang ang hindi makaka-regulate ng kanyang sexual
urge dahil wala syang will-power. akala ko ba may brain ka? kung sabagay,
hindi lahat ng may brain, my mind, logic, at correct reasoning. IKAW ANG
MAGBASA NG RH BILL PAULIT-ULIT NANG MAINTINDIHAN MO
ANG TUNAY NA SINASABI NITO. educate your brain!!!

click

October 3, 2010 at 4:27 am | #240

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click :
So does that mean we are Pro Premarital sex now. Imagine
raising a teen, specially a teen girl, youre giving her advices
about life, about boys and then this bill is already a law.
TAYAY : anak pipiliin mo yung lalaking
makakasama mo sa buhay ha,
ipakilala mo yung mga nanliligaw
sayo. Hwag maglilihim kay tatay,
maraming lalaki jan katawan lang
habol sa babae,piliin mo yung
responsable
etc..
then in the middle of his father’s advice, guidance.. this pops
into her mind.
ANAK : ( Ok lang nagtatake naman ako ng pills eh.. party
party ) )
Then whats the essense of good parenting, anong saysay ng
pagpapamilya, magpapalaki ka ng anak mo d ka sinusunod,
biologicallly related lang kayo pero anong saysay non??!!!
Hindi lahat ng anak magiging mabait kahit ulanin mo ng payo,
kaya nga hindi natin kailangnan ng mga bagay na
makakadagdag pa sa pagpapahirap sa pagpapalaki sa kanila.
yan ba gusto nyong manahin sa administrasyong to, those law
makers just come and go, but the laws the make ang hirap
buwagin nyan.. when you realized its not worth it, ang hirap na
lalo na kung may mga nakikinabang na sa budget.
you treating that thing called “morality” as if were just a pile of
garbage that nids to be thrown, YAN ANG NAGPALAYA SA
PILIPINAS FROM DICTATORSHIP!


 MALDITA.

October 7, 2010 at 3:37 pm | #241

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YOUR RIGHT WHAT YOU SAID BECAUSE ONLY YOU KNOWS

IF YOU LIKE IT OR NOT….. …. .. THATS WHY IT DEPENDS ON
YOUR SELF…..MALAY MO YOUR SUCH LIKE….._______?????

edgar

October 25, 2010 at 9:51 am | #242

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poor one. mababaw nga alam mo sa mga bagay na pinag usapan dito. yon lang
point talaga.

17.

Richter

May 15, 2010 at 3:12 am | #243

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I replace your intended meaning with my own interpretation. BY THOR’S MIGHTY

BEARD IT HAS A RECIPE FOR FETUS NOODLES!

18.

proud mama

May 22, 2010 at 1:36 pm | #244

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hi, neigyl. thanks for spending ur time in trying to form and express ur opinion as best
as you could. we need people like you to let us see the “light”..i have some
question/comment though;they are written below every comment you made. good day
sir.

Neigyl R. Noval :
There are good things about this bill. But, there are also bad things in it.
However, the bad things prevails–that is the reason why I will present the bad
things. You need to have a copy of the RH Bill on sight for you to be guided
accordingly.
Here are the irregularities of the RH Bill. Please read this carefully so that you
may be aware of this:
Section 2. First paragraph: “…respect for life in conformity with
internationally recognized human rights standards.”
–> Why not in conformity with the Philippine standards? Why international?
Do we need to follow other countries way of population control and
reproductive health? Or are we undermined or enslaved by the first world
countries? Philippines is known for its good and kind people like being
hospitable, which other countries are seeking to learn. We have our own
standards.

** following or conforming with international standard does not in any way

undermined or enslaved us. matter of fact we are,unwittingly to some,
using,enjoying, international standard everyday. would you rather go to a
hospital built with substandard materials, equipped with antiquated
machineries,and manned with poorly trained personnel? of course not, pls dont
tell me that you will hire the services of “mang kepweng” instead because his
ways is so filipino. where did you get the idea that our nationalism our culture
will be lost (undermined or enslaved) if we will adhere to international
standard standard?..if your to travel abroad, would you fly with a propeller
driven aircraft(not the standard anymore) or a jet?

Section 2. Third paragraph: “…sustainable human development is better

assured with a manageable population of healthy, educated and productive
citizens.”
–> If you love our country, or if you love other people, you will see that this
statement may promote euthanasia, divorce, etc. If you don’t see it, seek more
of its meaning. It lies beneath the underneath. There will be an unequal
distribution of wealth. Don’t you see it?

**are you one of those so called I.T. experts who instead of suggesting,
helping, ensuring that the recently concluded election will be a success;
painted a gloom and doom scenario that scared the wits out of our
people?..even if, for the sake of arguments, i dont love our country and our
people , i still cant see,hear, look, listen that; sustainable human development
may promote euthanasia or divorce…nice play patriotism card pal..nice scare
tactic too..keep it up.

**
Section 3. (a): “In the promotion of reproductive health, there should be no
bias for either modern of natural methods of family planning;”
–> Nothing in this bill that promotes the natural family planning.

**i guess section 5.a and 5.f.6.k and other related section/subsection is too
ambiguous for you..

Section 3. (e): “The limited resources of the country cannot be suffered to be

spread so thinly to service a burgeoning multitude that makes the allocations
grossly inadequate and effectively meaningless.”
–> Whoa, more money for the rich! If you look at this bill only on its
presented purpose and overlooking its effects, then we have a problem. You
see? This promotes more wealth for the rich.

**you are not only the prophet of gloom and doom. you are also the worst
apprentice of madam auring!

Section 3. (f): “Freedom of informed choice, which is…”

–> What is meant by informed choice? Does it mean everyone is free to watch
x-rated films? How about the kids? How about a demonstration in class? Oh,
it’s our choice! We are free to be informed of it. Really?

** why did i even bother reading your childish comment. thanks for wasting
my time pal.thanks for nothing…my comments are only up yo here..no more..i
give up..”freedom of informed choice= your wild innuendos witch wildly
suggest it means watching x-rated??!!..”..shh..i have enough!!..grow up!!stop
being a jejemon!!have a life!!sell your computer!!…how is that for a
comment??? happy now????
Section 3. (g): “While the number and spacing of children are left to the sound
judgement of parents and couples based on their personal conviction and
religious beliefs…”
–> This statement is contradicted by Section 10.
Continued: “…such concerned parents and couples, INCLUDING
UNMARRIED INDIVIDUALS, should be granted…”
–> This includes minors, and lovers not capable of being a parent. This
promotes pre-marital sex, non-marital sex, abortion, promiscuity, fornication,
incest, etc. Anyway, we are free to do it!
Continued: “…and should be guided by qualified State workers and
professional private practitioners;”
–> Why are church leaders not included? Why do priests, bishops, nuns, etc
not involves?
Section 3. (j): “Development…that seek to uplift the quality of life of the
people, more particularly the poor, the needy and the marginalized;”
–> What assurance will the poor benefits? Please reflect on this. Is it really for
the quality of life?
Section 3. (l): “Respect for, PROTECTION and FULFILLMENT of
REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH RIGHTS…not only the rights and welfare of
adult individuals and couples BUT THOSE OF ADOLESCENTS’ AND
CHILDREN’S AS WELL;…”
–> What reproductive health rights for the adolescents and children? Children
are included, whose mind are not yet mature enough! This may promote a
dirty knowledge about this to the children. Parents will be responsible for this.
Section 3. (m): “…as abortion remains a crime and is punishable, the
government shall ensure the women seeking care for POST-ABORTION
COMPLICATIONS shall be treated…and compassionate manner.”
–> This is again contradicted in Section 10. The bill doesn’t only contradicts
the Law of Nature but violates the bill itself as well. Post-abortion
complications in this statement is only an admission that abortion really has
complications.
Section 4. “Definition of Terms”
–> This may not be that heavy but redefining the common understanding of
everyone does not need to be defined.
Section 4. (b): “…which enables couples and INDIVIDUALS to decide freely
and responsibly the NUMBER and SPACING OF THEIR CHILDREN…”
–> “Individuals.” Does this mean that unmarried couples have the right to
have children? I’m using my common sense here. You should use yours also.
Section 4. (c): “Reproductive Health – refers to the state of physical, mental
and social well-being…”
–> Why spiritual and moral well-being not included here?
Continued: “This implies that PEOPLE are able to have a SATISFYING and
SAFE SEX LIFE, that they have the CAPABILITY TO REPRODUCE and
the freedom to DECIDE if, WHEN AND HOW OFTEN TO DO SO, provided
that these are not against the law.”
–> Take note of the phrases that are in UPPERCASE. People to have
satisfaction includes the youth, unmarried, homosexual, etc. And, they may
decide when and how often to do so? How about teenagers doing it every
minute on the grassland? It is not against the law as long as no one saw them.
Section 4. (d): “Reproductive Health Rights – refers to the rights of
INDIVIDUALS and couples to DECIDE FREELY AND RESPONSIBLY the
number, spacing and timing of their children.”
–> Again, the ‘individual’ word. Does this bill really promotes population
control in which I can decide freely and responsibly the number of children?
Suppose I receive great pay, I can raise about 15 children. What a population
control. This bill is too vague.
Section 4. (g): “10. Male involvement and participation in reproductive
health.”
–> Number 1 to 8 of this section may be considered okay. But on 10, how will
I be involved and participate with reproductive health? Isn’t it obvious that
this refers to sex? Take note that on Section 4 (c) doesn’t include the spiritual
well-being.
Section 4. (h): “…relevant information on all matters relating to the
reproductive system its functions and processes and human sexuality…”
–> This may promote promiscuity in education.
Continued: “…developing NECESSARY SKILLS to be able to distinguish
between facts and myths on sex and sexuality…”
–> How? Doing actual sexual intercourse in class? What necessary skills?
Does it mean the techniques, the positions and the likes? Does it mean the
class will have a film showing on pornographic films?
Section 10: “Contraceptives as ESSENTIAL MEDICINES – hormonal
contraceptives, intrauterine devices, injectables and other allied reproductive
 health products…shall be considered under the category of ESSENTIAL
MEDICINES…”
–> This is the most interesting part. Contraceptives are now considered as
ESSENTIAL MEDICINES–not only an ordinary medicine but an
ESSENTIAL medicine. We can buy condoms the same way we buy Biogesic.
Teenagers can buy those too at an affordable price. Better advertise it so that
small children will learn too and if possible imitate it through experiments and
practice for better reproductive health learning and to master the
NECESSARY SKILLS as depicted in Section 4, h.
Section 12. (g): “Abstinence before marriage”
–> How can this be promoted when the unmarried are allowed to have sex and
reproduction (See Section 4)?
Sections 22 – 27:
–> If this become a law, people like me who loves humanity will have no
choice to obey it. One reason for peoples immorality may be from this law.
I know you are tired of reading my sharing. That only proves that this Bill has
many irregularities. Erase all those above mentioned parts on the Bill, and the
Bill may become better for the people and logical.

Neigyl R. Noval

May 24, 2010 at 12:46 am | #245

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I will respond to every ** in your comments.

**
material international standards, class international standards, trends, music
standards, vehicle standards, matter of living standards, job international
standards are all different from MORAL standards. Many people think of the
world as a material thing. We have all wealth; but where will it go when we
die? I don’t say that we will no longer need to achieve wealth–we need to in
order to live a happy life.

Going back to the topic, we know we have international standards about

abortion, contraception, etc. but we Filipinos have our own way of
understanding those things. Example: International Standard: abortion is
removing the fetus from the womb. Filipino Standard: abortion is killing and
is a murder. If, on the first place, we dont know our standard, then that’s a
problem.

The Church taught us that contraception is bad. Biologist taught us that

contraceptives is bad for the women’s health. I guess it’s enough to bear.
 **
I am a Computer Engineer and I am an ordinary guy who ordinarily vote
during the past election just like the other people. Again, I base my analysis
based on my own understanding of things–not focusing more on the Church
teaching. I am sorry to tell you that you yourself do not understand what
Section 2, 3rd paragraph means, as in my explaination there. Also, I am not
scaring. I am just posting here my opinion based on my own conscience (and
maybe with the help of the Holy Spirit) how this RH Bill works. Sad to say, I
am only posting here the errors on the bill on my personal basis.

**

**
I will elaborate my explanation further. The bill is entitled: Reproductive
Health Bill. The two sections you have mentioned only stated that natural
family planning method exists other than the artificial ones. Also, it merely
defines that the natural ones is not prohibited and is fine. Natural family
planning method is stated in the bill only 3.54% on the entire bill (in words).
How can it promote the natural family planning method? Remember that
reproductive health also involves the natural ones but is only found 3.54% in
the Bill.

**
I love playing chess and I predict in advance the moves of my opponent. I
know chess is different from life matters so I will not say that both are
analogous. I see that this section has already been present today–the rich
become richer, the poor become poorer. Thus, I am not predicting things.

**
I only state watching x-rated films as an example to be concrete. You can give
many examples as you like like choice of pre-marital sex, choice of non-
marital sex, etc.

Thanks for your comment. Please ask for more clarifications if possible and i
will answer them precisely if i have time. Thanks.

19.

mocha_pandan

May 25, 2010 at 11:12 am | #246

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It is quite difficult to discern good and evil in today’s materialistic and corrupted
world where all is evaluated from the point of view of gain and wealth, beauty or
physical appearance, power and success; because evil is often disguise as good and
virtuous. Didn’t we understand that Satan works secretly and hides himself for us to
be able to know? Many would say that our generation today is very lucky than the
earlier days. We have lots of innovations and advance technologies; the televisions,
cinemas, internet, laptops, ipod, PSPs, games and many other gadgets. Didn’t we
know that all of these seduce humanity to become materialistic and were invented to
lead humanity astray? Look at the television and cinemas, Satan mentioned that TV is
one of his favorite invention. This is his instrument to destroy every soul and families
thru violent and corrupted programs with impurities and immorality. Isn’t it that our
generation is much corrupted than before because of this? Let’s take another one:
most have ipods and the likes in other forms as mp3 player, etc and carry it anywhere;
Satan wants to introduce noise and some form of entertainment; it is his way to forget
and distract our communication to God thru prayers. It is in silence that you will hear
God. It is in silence that God will hear you when you pray. Look at the credit cards; it
is there so that one can buy even without money. It encourages us to buy and buy
more things. The PSPs and other game gadgets, the children at home prefer it rather
than to play or talk with their parents. Even old ones are addicted to it. The internet is
there as another way to propagate corruption, immorality and impurity. Many are
addicted to it and prefer to surf, look for porn pictures, movies and even play. Satan
wants us to sin and always keep us busy to forget God. Contraceptives are there so
that nobody can conceive a child. As a result, it introduces sexual abuse. All these are
Satans instrument. Satan knows that these things bring more of negative impact to
humanity than of the positive impact. Thus, it is his way and instrument for the
fulfillment of his plans. These are so many things today that we think helps humanity
a lot. But in essence it is there so that humanity can be lead astray to God. Satan said
“I Pretend to love men, in order to destroy them; serve them, in order to ruin them and
deceive them; help them, in order to pervert them and draw them into these my hellish
regions.”. We are then deceived if we believe that what’s happening in our world
today was just fine. All of this and many things are works of Satan thru the Black
Beast mentioned in the Apocalypse (Revelation) part of the Bible. We are really near
the end times. Study yourself, maybe you already had the mark of the beast (666) in
your forehead and right hand.

Many of us were unaware of what their sins are. Our everyday life is mixed with sin
that we no longer pay attention to it. This is because we are blinded by darkness and
we think that what we doing were just normal. In case we are aware of our sins, we
persist and continue to do it. We are hesitant or don’t want to change at all. Mortal sin
is our number one enemy, since it is only and derisive cause of the damnation of souls
that are in hell. In other words, those who die suddenly while in a state of mortal sin
suffer the punishment of hell. It is told by the Blessed Mother, that “sins of the flesh”
is the most reason why many people goes to hell. Many abuse their sexuality today;
contraceptives, masturbation, infidelity with their partner, premarital sex and” live-in
and sex” without marriage. In the Bible, Jesus told us that anyone who looks at a
woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. All of these are
sin which we think are normal during this time. As our Blessed Mother told us in Her
apparitions, “Too Many Souls Are Going To Hell”.

Satan is very much triumphant today!!! Because many doesn’t know how he works.
And he really hides. Indeed, many volunteers to help him. All of these needs to be
fulfilled before the Second Coming of our Lord.
 o

filo

October 7, 2010 at 12:38 am | #247

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The concept of “Satan” was coined by the Christians who hated the pagans for
worshiping their own god. They weren’t doing anything wrong; they were
minding their own business. And yet the Christians burned them at the stake
for not worshiping the god they worshiped.

Sir

October 7, 2010 at 8:36 am | #248

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Can you back up your claims please?

Not a single detail you said is recorded in history.

Do you even know Adam and Eve?

Do you even know Nero? and how the term ‘human torch’ came to be?

Sammie

May 9, 2011 at 1:22 am | #249

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Well do you know that the bible is edited by the humans and so
what happened before was not how it really was documented?
And do you know that even priests claim that Adam and Eve
may not even be real and may just be representations?

20.
proud mama

May 26, 2010 at 11:21 am | #250

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source of corruption,abortion, worst euthanasia,anything else?? there is nothing wrong

with people trying to let us know that they are morally upright. absolutely nothing
wrong either if they project themselves as a well fine tuned to their belief.i can only
hope that you cant find nothing wrong with me if i’ll say: “you lacked the character
that qualifies you to be morally upright, you are wanting of a virtue that matter most
in each of our belief:FAITH..

by dropping words like abortion, euthanasia, etc to every

word/phrase/sentence/paragraph that you think those words (abortion, euthanasia etc.)
fits: you are shooting from the hip, you are shooting with eyes closed..

someone higher than us only required us to have a faith as tiny as a mustard seed in
order for us to make the first big step towards addressing this problem. nothing is
impossible in fact we can “command the mountain and order the mountain to plant
itself into the sea”.

if ever -after hearing all the pros and cons and incorporating those pros and cons that
makes sense- this bill becomes a law and in our journey we are to fall,we must pick
ourselves up. amend the law to let it suit the needs of the day and the days to come.

the truth is, population growth is a real monster that all of us have to tackle. all of us
means as one. whatever our religious belief is, our personal aspirations,
dreams,ambitions and hopes must be set aside for the good of our country. the only
country that we have. MABUHAY TAYONG LAHAT…

Wilberg

May 31, 2010 at 5:48 am | #251

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“…we must pick ourselves up. amend the law to let it suit the needs of the day
and the days to come.”

Wow, this sounds good! But then again, no. Was Roe v. Wade amended to suit
the needs of the day? Actually, after that decision, there was no turning back. I
would recommend this reading: Supreme Court’s Evolving Rulings on
Abortion, http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5029934.
Amending laws and rulings is not as simple as you may think. It took us a
people power revolution and hundreds of lives to amend the Philippine
Constitution. Roe v. Wade has already taken more than 46 million lives (not
yet included those that are linked to those lives) but the US Supreme Court
rulings still uphold it. Do Americans want that? No. Even Norma McCorvey
(Roe) regretted that and actually fights against its fruits now.

Think of that.

proud mama

May 31, 2010 at 10:50 am | #252

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wilberg that link is all about legal abortion and nothing to do with rh
bill…so you think rh is bill pro abortion??..if so, can you point it where
exactly so that i can read and reread and reread it??

Wilberg

May 31, 2010 at 3:52 pm | #253

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Yes, I do think, that is why this is the nearest example that I

gave. But again, you still miss the target. In this particular
reply, it is not the link between the RH bill and abortion that I
am looking at. The key is in the title, “Evolving Rulings”. The
point is, again, amending laws is not as simple as you might be
thinking, and there is almost no turning backs. We see what
you do not see and we would not even in dreams take the risk
of RH bill holding our necks at the very first second that it
would be passed as law. By the power of RH Bill Section 21,
Article e, do you think you can even reply or comment to this
post if you are in the opposite side? I assume that you were
already born and thinking when the country is in Marcos era.
 And do you know how to spell this “health” bill? T-O-T-A-L-I-
T-A-R-I-A-N.

Secret

December 13, 2010 at 7:28 pm | #254

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faith means not wanting to know the truth. im sure God would want us to
know the truth rather than make us afraid of unblinded fear.

21.

proud mama

May 31, 2010 at 10:54 am | #255

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one more thing wilberg, am right to say that, based on your link, rh bill is all about
legalizing abortion??

Wilberg

May 31, 2010 at 4:02 pm | #256

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No, you are not. Based on the link that I have given (if you read everything, of
course, and if your chronology is correct), an evil law might kill billions of
lives pointblank and publicly but could not be amended even after a number of
decades and despite national protests.

22.
 proud mama

May 31, 2010 at 1:30 pm | #257

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roe vs wade..hmmm..this is certainly not the first time that ive encountered this
post(differenr forum)…when it comes to abortion, baamm!! roe vs wade..

so what is the big deal about roe vs wade..?? rh bill is about abortion?

23.

Wilberg

May 31, 2010 at 5:11 pm | #258

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You should really be thinking that. Why the automatic reaction? Of course, “when it
comes to abortion”, Roe v. Wade will be the first three words in mind because it is the
central foundation of the abortion law (and/or mentality) in the US and all the US-
influenced countries. I would be equally surprised if you say, “Why do people always
speak of EDSA when they heard people power revolution and vice versa?”

Now, what is the big deal about Roe v. Wade in relation with the RH bill? Again, I
will point you to a link that I wish you would at least try to honestly understand:
http://faithandreasonblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/roe-v-wade-legacy-of-margaret-
sanger.html. It would be enough if you know Margaret Sanger, how from being a
criminal she became a “hero”, how she changed criminality into heroism, how many
Americans (and American-mentality people) have her as their mother, how she has
changed American and international laws, and how successful she is with her Negro
Project even if she is already dead. Of course, these are not the only things that you
can learn about Sanger, there is much more.

Read Sanger’s statement carefully: “To each group we explained what contraception
was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was
taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time,
a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet
begun.” Sounds familiar? It is the exact claim of RH bill — saying yes to
contraception is saying no to abortion, right? Wow, this is an anti-abortion stand!
Now, here is the next level of Sanger’s national/global mentality manipulation
(“pangbobobo” in my own Tagalog translation): “No one can doubt that there are
times when an abortion is justifiable but they will become unnecessary when care is
taken to prevent conception. This is the only cure for abortions.” At first, abortion was
wrong “no matter how”, that is why we need contraceptives. In the next statement,
“there are times when an abortion is justifiable” as opposed to “no matter how”. Now,
 this is the clever part, “…but they will become unnecessary when care is taken to
prevent conception.” It still primarily promotes contraception but paves the way for
abortion. When minds are already set, it is time to say these words: “The most
merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it”
(Women and the New Race Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923), “More children from the
fit, less from the unfit — that is the chief aim of birth control” (Birth Control Review,
May 1919, p. 12).

Now, was this just a US event? A very big NO. Where contraception is generally
accepted, abortion becomes a commonplace.

24.

proud mama

June 2, 2010 at 12:12 pm | #259

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good day wilberg…now before this gets out of hand. lets us not side step what is it
that we are talking about..

..if you read the letter up to the latter;abortion,you can find none. in fact it is clearly
stated that abortion is a crime.

..the clear intent of this bill is not abortion..it is not acceptable to put forth an
interpretation that is not within the intent of this bill…one cannot bend the spirit of
the bill and its authors just to be able to accommodate his/her interpretation that
exactly runs counter to the intent of the bill and its authors….

to those who have apprehensions that this bill may lead to this or that, the best thing
that you can do is to take an active part. let your voices be heard. attend public
hearings, write to your congressman. let anyone not be cowed to do so, else im afraid
you will, in the future, say, ” damn i told you so”..

thanks everybody for a wonderful discussion. i think i have said enough.

Wilberg

June 2, 2010 at 3:37 pm | #260

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First of all, I believe that many of those who participated on this discussion
did not fail to support a campaign, whether online or offline, against this bill
with the intention to appeal to the representatives in Congress, and to inform
also the senators and all the citizens. We do not just talk here but are silent
everywhere else. Actually, the first article that I have regarding contraception
was written many years ago (long before HB 5043) and was posted on my site
on 2008. [1] http://sicar.wordpress.com/2008/03/09/kung-mahal-ninyo-
silamagplano/ [2] http://sicar.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/huwag-idaan-sa-
hula%E2%80%A6magplano-ng-pamilya/. I still have more articles in store
(not yet composed) for some of my blogsites.

Second, we — pro-life individuals and movements — are not side stepping

anything whether concerning RH bill or any other anti-life issues. We ask, we
learn, and we speak up. We have decades of data on hand and we do not speak
for a single piece of paper or even for a document that is 15 pages long
(including the Fact Sheet and the Explanatory Note). On the other hand, what
is being ignored by many, as if it is just something that we can remedy with
one tablet of paracetamol afterwards, are the true and visible evil effects of
contraceptive mentality.

Do you really believe that those who opposed this bill on the ground of being
anti-life, anti-family, anti-nature, anti-God, anti-freedom, unnecessary,
invasive, totalitarianistic, American, and many more are just some bunch of
idiots who did not read this short bill and cannot discern the words behind the
mind of its writers but instead invent issues to be scared about which are not
really related to it? Think again. Are these people not aware of the past and
present history of the field they are in and of what they were fighting against?
HB 5043 is just an offspring of laws and proposals that are already enforced
around the world. This is in no way new or surprising. It has been expected to
come into being since many decades ago. Actually, former Senator Kid Tatad
has been fighting against it in more or less 10 years now. Pope Paul VI
foretold its effects 40 years ago which all came true not long after he wrote
about it to the world. These are things that are really being disregarded. The
concept of the RH bill is already 2000 years in the mind of the Church, and
was already addressed 2000 years ago. We do not even know Edcel Lagman
as pro-RH bill yet when we started the fight against his HB 5043. How is that?
As I have said, this is not a new proposal, and the laws that gave birth to this
has already started destroying the world, including families, marriages,
relationships, one’s own self perception, morality, values, mentality, culture,
mothers’ lives, and children’s lives very long time ago. Were those facts
mentioned in the bill? It would not be. But are they not true? It is for you to
find out.

I assume I do not have to repeat the points of post #5 and #10 anymore.

Yes, you have already said enough but have not yet listened enough. To know
the intent of the bill and of “those who wrote it” (as I always emphasize) is as
not as good as you see it. They know it very well. Hence the gestation of
section 21 of the RH bill. “Any person who maliciously engages in
disinformation about the intent or provisions of this Act” shall be punished.
What is malicious? What is misinformation? Everything that is opposed to it is
deemed malicious and a misinformation, commonsensically. And who would
not be punished then? That would include you. Why the great fear? Why the
insecurity of this bill? Why would it go to the extent of punishing people
because of speaking against it? Where is the check and balance of democracy?
And how many laws with Section 21-e will follow after this totalitarian bill?
As I have said above, this Act do not uphold that abortion is a criminal act, it
just recognizes the status quo of abortion in the Philippine law. RH bill is not
the Constitution nor it is a Supreme Court ruling. All it can do is to
acknowledge the criminality of abortion but not to affirm it as they want it to
sound like. Again, as I have already related, Margaret Sanger who happened to
be the mother of all these fights for contraception (?) pioneered this approach
through her “innocent” words: “Abortion was the wrong way — no matter
how early it was performed it was taking life…contraception was the better
way, the safer way…” It appears that she criminalizes abortion, right? But
only gullible people will believe Sanger and so the writers of the RH bill.
They do not criminalize abortion; they deceitfully earn public trust. What is
next? A progressive change of mentality.

Again, is this a US event? No, it is a world event.

Just think of this. Contraception “was” illegal everywhere. Today, it is legal

almost everywhere. Those who promoted it were once criminals but are now
heroes. Now, is abortion ILLEGAL on those countries where contraception is
generally accepted? Where now is the claim that contraception seeks to
criminalize abortion even more? The opposite is true — it legalized it. Who
will protest?

If you were not convinced by Margaret Sanger (that is if you really learn about
her which I doubt a great deal), maybe Henry Kissinger can. And who is he?
This might add to your knowledge of him: [1]
http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2009/04/06/is-henry-kissinger-
setting-obamas-foreign-policy/ [2] http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=85442 [3]
http://wlym.com/text/NSSM200.htm. He might have existed long before you
do. You were born under his international influence. You may want other
names in the future. How about someone who is more known in the
Philippines and around the world?

Wilberg

June 17, 2010 at 5:19 pm | #261

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I assume I do not have to repeat the points of post #5 and #11 anymore.
 

Tecris (aka Cheri)

May 14, 2011 at 2:08 am | #262

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Oh great thanks for explaining the RH bill in the context of

evolving laws, specifically laws on contraception leading to
abortion. And not that I’m playing ms.goody-two-shoes, let’s
put faith aside, the thing is US still has problems with teenage
pregnancies and abortion. So how can RH bill solve our
problems today, look at US they have the same problems?

Wilberg

June 3, 2010 at 2:06 pm | #263

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Let us also not forget John Holdren and his Ecoscience. This man just
happened to be Obama’s Science Czar.

“Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even

including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the
existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to
endanger the society.”

“One way to carry out this disapproval might be to insist that all illegitimate
babies be put up for adoption—especially those born to minors, who generally
are not capable of caring properly for a child alone. If a single mother really
wished to keep her baby, she might be obliged to go through adoption
proceedings and demonstrate her ability to support and care for it. Adoption
proceedings probably should remain more difficult for single people than for
married couples, in recognition of the relative difficulty of raising children
alone. It would even be possible to require pregnant single women to marry or
have abortions, perhaps as an alternative to placement for adoption, depending
on the society.”
 “A program of sterilizing women after their second or third child, despite the
relatively greater difficulty of the operation than vasectomy, might be easier to
implement than trying to sterilize men.”

“In today’s world, however, the number of children in a family is a matter of

profound public concern. The law regulates other highly personal matters. For
example, no one may lawfully have more than one spouse at a time. Why
should the law not be able to prevent a person from having more than two
children?”

Of course, I do not have a whole day for giving examples here. You can
provide yourselves of the document and read the whole book.

The title is: Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment

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yesmie

June 24, 2010 at 8:28 am | #264

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anu po ba ang mga ipinagbabawal na paraan ng abortion.

d. Proscription and hazards of abortion and management of post-abortion

complications.

hindi malinaw kung anung mga uri ng abortion ang ipinagbabawal..

SEC. 10. Contraceptives as Essential Medicines. – Hormonal contraceptives,

intrauterine devices, injectables and other allied reproductive health products and
supplies shall be considered under the category of essential medicines and supplies
which shall form part of the National Drug Formulary and the same shall be included
in the regular purchase of essential medicines and supplies of all national and lord
hospitals and other government health units.

baka naman yung mga kasama sa contraceptive as essential madecines ay gamit para
sa abortion..dapat po malinaw kung anung mga gamot ang gagamitin as contraceptive
essential medicines..

Wilberg
 June 24, 2010 at 1:12 pm | #265

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Lahat ng sinasadyang aborsyon (induced abortion) sa anumang paraan ay

ipinagbabawal ng Konstitusyon, dahil ang lahat ng tao mula sa sinapupunan
hanggang sa libingan ay may pantay-pantay na karapatan.

Contraceptives as Essential Medicines – Unang-una, hindi dapat tawaging

“medicine” ang contraceptives dahil hindi ito ginawa upang ipanggamot kundi
upang pigilan ang pagdadalantao. Pangalawa, at higit sa lahat, hindi ito dapat
tawaging “essential” para isama sa listahan ng mga gagastusan ng mga
mamamayan, dahil hindi ito pangunahing pangangailangan, at tulad ng
nabanggit, hindi ito mga gamot. Sa totoong buhay, ang mga gamot na dapat ay
hindi nawawala sa mga health center ay silang wala dito. Sabi nila, 11 babae
ang namamatay araw-araw sa Pilipinas dahil sa kumplikasyon sa
panganganak. Ito ang lagi nilang ibinibigay na dahilan kung bakit kailangan
ng RH bill at kung bakit dapat gawing “essential medicines” ang mga
contraceptive. Ibig sabihin, para maiwasan ang ganitong pagkamatay, dapat
iwasan ang panganganak. Tama ba ito? Ngayon ang tanong, bago nila naisip
na ipapasan sa mga mamamayan ang mga kagamitan at mga kemikal na
gagamitin para pigilan ang pagdadalantao at ang panganganak, pinagpaguran
ba muna nilang isabatas ang pagiging libre ng mga gamot para sa mga
pangunahing sakit na pumapatay sa mga babae? Sa bawat 100,000
kababaihan, araw-araw ay namamatay ang 80 dahil sa sakit sa puso, 63 dahil
sa vascular diseases, 51 dahil sa cancer, 45 dahil sa pneumonia, 23 dahil sa
TB, 22 dahil sa diabetes, at 16 dahil sa lower chronic respiratory diseases.
Hindi ba’t ang mga gamot sa mga sakit na ito ang dapat na ituring na
essential? Gusto nila tayong pagastusin para sa mga “agent” na pipigil sa
buhay habang hinahayaan nilang mamatay ang mga may sakit na
nangangailangan. Ito ay isang desperado at garapalang paraan ng pag-ubos sa
mga tao. Ang motto nila: “Iwasan ang pagsilang, tanggapin ang kamatayan.”

“baka naman yung mga kasama sa contraceptive as essential madecines ay

gamit para sa abortion”
Ang Pill at ang IUD ay dalawa sa mga tinatawag na contraceptives, pero alam
ng mga doktor na ito ay maaari din pumatay ng nasa sinapupunan
(abortifacient), bagamat ito ay mahigpit na pinasisinungalingan ng mga
ignorante, kung hindi man manlilinlang, na tagapagsulong ng RH bill.

26.

Neigyl R. Noval

July 3, 2010 at 3:04 pm | #266

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 *** abortion:
Abortion in any means is illegal in the constitution, in the community, in the church,
and in the eyes of God.

*** subsection d.:

That is one of the many that made this bill erroneous and self-contradicting.

*** section 10:

“Essential” means necessary. “Medicine” means a healing substance. That means,
considering contraceptives as essential medicine only tells us that such is necessary
for our health. It simply implies that we shall take such contraceptives for the benefit
of our health.

Please see post #19 for more of my explanations about this bill.

Thank you.

27.

genalyn miasco

July 10, 2010 at 11:17 pm | #267

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i think population control is not the solution of poverty…

69

August 27, 2010 at 2:49 pm | #268

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then what is it…do you know how many starving children are here in our
country today…saan mo sila ititira…puputulin nyo nanaman ang mga puno at
papatagin ang mga kabundukan para gunawa ng pabahay para sa
kanila…damn…you people don’t use you’re brains…mas maraming filipino
means masmaraming dapat pagsilbihan…malaki ang chance na dumami
nanaman ang magugutom…ahm…guys…kailan ba tayo matututo…the world
is evolving everything is constantly chnging…buti sana kung kasing laki ng
area ng bansa natin ang china…eh d kahit mag-anak kayo ng mag-anak ok
lang…kaso nga…ultimong china…humahanap na ng ways para mabawasan
ang populasyon nila…mga sir…kung gusto ninyong magkaroon ng TUNAY
NA PAGBABAGo sa bansang pilipinas…eh maganda siguro simulan nyong
baguhin ang mga pananaw nyo sa buhay…2010 na po…tama na ang mga
lumang paniniwala……

Neigyl R. Noval

September 9, 2010 at 11:23 pm | #269

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This bill is not the only way to control the population in the
Philippines. There are many different ways.

Some few suggestions would be:

(1)
Increase the literacy rates of Filipino people (in whatever way) so they
can find jobs and get busy to work. In that way, they are not prone to
private places where few gets horny and do their stuff there.

(2)
Encourage all young Filipinos to study hard and do their best on their
studies so they may be successful in their carrier. Though related to
number (1), this suggestion pertains to more Qualitive education and
not just Quantitative education (where you graduated college and
learned less). It is obvious that money is the problem. Their are many
good ways to gain financial aid though with the help of God.

(3)
Encourage everyone to be religious not in words but in deeds, like
visiting orphanages and the like.

If you don’t get why the points above will solve the population in the
Philippines, then you have a problem.

God bless us all.

Ryu
September 30, 2010 at 6:31 pm | #270

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1. lol… #1 problem of our beloved country, less Job

opportunities,.. many of us Filipinos are educated/ graduates of
college, i think the problem is, less job offerings, don’t you
think?.

2. how many times did we hear that from our parents-teachers?

STUDY FUCKIN HARD, FOR YOU TO HAVE A BETTER
FUCKING FUTURE… we did, yet[see reply #1]

3. The Philippines is a very religious country… kaya nga over

populated tayo eh.. hehheheh…. [go and multiply!!]

i agree with number 69, tama na ang lumang paniniwala, hindi

katulad nuong panahon ni jesus ang buhay ngayon… kahit
hanap ng hanap ng solution ang gobyerno-investors for jobs,
hindi nila mapunan, hindi mawala-wala ang unemployment,
bakit? ikompara mo naman ang mga sanggol na ipinanganak sa
halos 20 years kumpara sa dadalhin ng mga investors na
work…..

vanillae

October 1, 2010 at 1:23 pm | #271

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1. many of us Filipinos are educated/ graduates of

college, i think the problem is, less job offerings, don’t
you think?.

I don’t think so. I have already seen many job fairs in

different places, and there are times that companies
present are more than those who apply. There are
companies that get no line of applicants. And those who
do have cannot accept the majority of applicants
because they are not qualified. Being a college graduate
does not necessarily equate being educated or skilled.
There are more illiterate (so to say) college graduates
than educated college graduates. Literacy is the problem
and not job offers.
 2. My parents and my teachers did not talk to me that
way. [Before I forget to mention, attitude is number 1
factor in getting a job and being retained in it.] Maybe
you did study hard but you are not everybody (and as I
have said, it is multifactorial). Filipino minds are shaped
(even by the parents) to see education — pertaining to
academics — as “the key” to getting a job. The fact of
the matter is, it is being learned that greatly affects
whether you’ll find a job or not. It is not by just going to
school, getting high grades, and marching with flying
collars. A person is not learned unless he really is —
being a graduate or a dropout is secondary. Skills,
knowledge, and attitude are still foremost. It is not
about job offers.

3. The Philippines is a very religious country… kaya

nga over populated tayo eh.. hehheheh…. [go and
multiply!!]

I don’t agree. Most Filipinos are Catholics but I can’t

say that the country as a whole is religious. Filipinos are
more superstitious than religious. Second point, all
practicing Catholics are responsible citizens. They don’t
need condoms or pills; only people who has no self
mastery use those. When Catholics abstain, they do so
purposely and joyfully — just the same when they
conceive. Third point is there is no overpopulation.
Malthusian myth was already debunked a long time
ago. It is contraceptives and abortion propagandists who
desperately inject this culture to the global mindset.

Gaya ng sinabi ko, maraming trabaho, kaunti ang

qualified. I can even suggest a system that can make
everybody in this forum a few hundred thousand pesos
wealthier in less than a year. Prepare your hard work,
determination, and sense of unity, and I’ll give you the
system.

Mas mabuti kung ikukumpara mo kung ilang ulit na

malaki ang populasyon ng Tsina sa Pilipinas, at kung
ilang ulit na mas mayaman ang may malaking
populasyon kaysa sa atin na hindi maiikumpara sa dami
ng tao nila.

rommel
 October 4, 2010 at 9:19 am | #272

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69, an pananaw mo ang iyong baguhin. humankind has the capability

to adapt to any situation. ex. to enable urban areas like metro manila to
accommodate more people and businesses, high rise buildings for
business & settlements were introduced; ang susunod niyan
underground constructions. New methods for food production were
also introduced to triple the rate of production. Maglibot-libot ka nga
sa Pilipinas kung gusto mo makita ang paglawak-lawak ng mga
lupaing bakante at nakatiwangwag. Isa pa, pano magkaover population
sa Pinas gayong milyong mga Pinoy nasa ibang bansa? Supplier po
tayo ng humanpower sa halos lahat ng bansa. Marami na nga rin
naging citizens na ng mayayamang bansa, baka nga isa ka na roon.
Anong maraming pagsisilbihan? Ikaw ba si Juan Tamad? Kahit nga
bulag, kaya ng Pinoy magkomponi ng appliances; yong putol ang
kamay kayang mag-painting gamit paa o bunganga o magpalipad ng
eroplano gamit ang mga paa. Kaya ikaw ang magbago ng pananaw.

malou

April 22, 2011 at 2:49 am | #273

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did you guys know why China has a one child policy rule? tinuro ito dati sa
school, at least sa school namin. and kung ichecheck nyo lang sa internet kung
bakit sila nagpatupad ng one child policy, eh para umunlad naman ang bansa
nila. lubog sa kahirapan and anak ren ng anak sa china nuong panahong
mahirap na mahirap na mahirap sila. malaki ang lupain ng china, pero
kailangan pa ren nilang icontrol yung population nila.

do you guys know na pag buntis nanaman yung babae para sa ikalawang anak
(or ikatlong anak kung may lalaki na silang anak), eh kahit 5 months na yung
nasasinapupunan eh tuturukan nila ng gamot para malaglag yung baby…
ganun sila kalupit. ganun sila magpatupad ng batas, para sa ikabubuti ng lahat.

pero hindi naman ganyan ang gustong mangyari ng RH bill. hindi ganun
katindi ang pilipinas magpatupad ng batas. nakakatakot na ata yung sa china.

so hindi ko maintindihan, kung bakit ang daming anti-RH bill. masyadong

magaling mag english mga nagcocomment, di ko masyado maintindihan so
need ko pa isearch sa google yung meaning ng ibang word. bakit hindi nyo
subukang maglakad sa paligid nyo, subukan nyong dalasan ang pagdaan sa
 squatters area. makikita nyo, ang tatamad ng mga squatters, ang daming anak,
ang tamad talaga. hindi sila nakakaawa, kasi ang tamad talaga nila sobra.
tambay lang… yung mga lalaki kung may work, tuwing week ends eh inuman
so nawawala yung suweldo nila.

tamad + squatters + maraming anak

parami sila ng parami. kahit anung bansa pa, di kakayaning solusiyonan ang
problema ng kahirapan. kung hindi titino ang mga squatters, paano sila
mababawasan.

turuan sila ng family planning para naman sila anak ng anak. kaso, iaapply
kaya nila????

28.

vanillae

October 1, 2010 at 1:59 pm | #274

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Jose :
Premarital is not immoral. It is immoral because that is what the Church wants
you to say.

Wrong. It’s not the Church who determines which is right and which is wrong. Your
teacher did not taught you that 1+1 is 2 just because he/she wants it to be the answer.
Truth is objective and nobody can change it. The Church is a teacher and she relays
(not determines) the truth. It is Jesus who says that fornication violates God. Well, I
think you’re not a Christian that is why you don’t know it, but you should know better
when it comes to respect, simply because you are human. You don’t want your wife
or daughter or mother being used by other people (multiple in number, if sex outside
of marriage is not wrong) for their selfish carnal pleasure. If premarital sex is fine,
then extramarital and promiscuity is fine. If promiscuity is fine, then pornography is
fine. If pornography is fine, the sex education with practical exams (e.g. petting,
necking, intercourse, same-sex, and even pervert sexual acts) are fine. It would also
follow that incest is fine, that child abuse is fine, and rape is fine. It’s ringing a bell.
Doesn’t it the one being promoted by Planned Parenthood Federation — “Sexual
Freedom”?

Now, is it just the Church? You say that premarital sex is not immoral because that is
what you want it to be. Sorry, but it can’t be.

o
Darm

October 1, 2010 at 6:03 pm | #275

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True. Even for me I’m not Christian I highly disapprove of premarital sex. But
for me, it might not be the best way for God-fearing people, this could actually
be one way for us to stop over-population. Why? Because being preached
about it is not enough and I’m pretty sure people wouldn’t follow all what the
Church says. The RH bill for me is one way to stop over-population and most
people would actually follow it. So unless the church could do anything better
to actually help stop that problem I would actually support it.

click

October 2, 2010 at 2:51 pm | #276

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So does that mean we are Pro Premarital sex now. Imagine raising a
teen, specially a teen girl, your giving her advices about life, about
boys and then this bill is already passed.

TAYAY : anak pipiliin mo yung lalaking

makakasama mo sa buhay ha,
ipakilala mo yung mga nanliligaw
sayo. Hwag maglilihim kay tatay,
maraming lalaki jan katawan lang
habol sa babae,piliin mo yung
responsable
etc..

then in the middle of his father’s advice, guidance.. this pops into her
mind.

ANAK : ( Ok lang nagtatake naman ako ng pills eh.. party party ))

Then whats the essense of good parenting, anong saysay ng

pagpapamilya, magpapalaki ka ng anak mo d ka sinusunod,
biologicallly related lang kayo pero anong saysay non??!!! Hindi lahat
ng anak magiging mabait kahit ulanin mo ng payo, kaya nga hindi
 natin kailangnan ng mga bagay na makakadagdag pa sa pagpapahirap
sa pagpapalaki sa kanila.

yan ba gusto nyong manahin sa administrasyong to, those law makers

just come and go, but the laws the make ang hirap buwagin nyan..
when you realized its not worth it, ang hirap na lalo na kung may mga
nakikinabang na sa budget.

you treating that thing called “morality” as if were just a pile of

garbage that nids to be thrown, YAN ANG NAGPALAYA SA
PILIPINAS FROM DICTATORSHIP!

Darm

October 8, 2010 at 12:25 pm | #277

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We’re you replying to what I said? If you we’re, then I say that
I already said that I dissapprove of premarital sex but I have to
agree on using contraseptives. I agree with your statement but
not all people, even the educated, have morals and as long as
people aren’t allowed to use something that could prevent
accidents/unwanted children who would’nt even be raised with
morals. It’s not about morals because I believe if we all have
“good” morals we wouldn’t be having this crisis. And once
again if we all have good morals we wouldn’t have to
implement this law.

rommel

October 4, 2010 at 8:13 am | #278

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The most effective method is abstinence, which the Church teaches

consistently even before we were born. If you do not want to have
children, don’t have sex. Difficult? That’s because you believe that sex
is an ESSENTIAL need like food and water. But the truth is, you can
live a long life without having sex. Sex, though is needed by humanity
 for the continuity of its survival. Australia & Canada are just some of
the developed countries encouraging inflow of productive & skill
people of our nationalities as permanent residents to replenish their
aging and dying population.

johny

October 4, 2010 at 4:12 pm | #279

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hay nako… sa mga impotent lang yan.

johny

October 4, 2010 at 4:14 pm | #280

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tamaaaaaaaaaaaa….. besides the meaning of the word morality, ay magiging

depende kong sino anf pinaninilawalan mong philisopher hahahaha

skyjet

November 21, 2010 at 5:42 pm | #281

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Premarital is immoral, not because that’s the church want you to say but
because sex is a sacred thing. If sex is a sacred thing, then you must have an
authority to do it, then the authority is given through MARRIAGE. Just like
driving, you cannot drive unless you have an authority to drive, you cannot be
a driver unless you have a license. You have to be processed before you do a
big thing!!!

29.
 Van

October 1, 2010 at 2:52 pm | #282

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Put down Edcel Lagman who is the proponent of RH Bill 96.

30.

Neigyl R. Noval

October 2, 2010 at 12:04 am | #283

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I have a little scenario:

Suppose that RH Bill becomes a law. Imagine when a 17 year old boy buys condom
to have sex with his girlfriend. (Of course this is not against the law right? And pre-
marital and non-marital sex is also not against the law. And remember that condoms
become ESSENTIAL MEDICINES). That boy loves the feeling and buys more to do
more until he become addicted to it. Suppose they do it three times a week or more
and their parents are not aware of it.

Without moral values or whatever, here are my questions:

1. In your opinion, is it okay for the boy to become addicted with sex knowing that
the girl will not get pregnant?

2. Are there no viral complications on both the girl and the boy?

3. What will happen when their is an accident that the condom fails to perform its
function?

Please see post # 24 for more details… Thank you.

webista

October 2, 2010 at 9:40 pm | #284

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Mr. Neigyl, the way I interpret your given scenario is that…

“If the RH Bill is passed, then, the church and parents will no longer teach
their children good moral values and just let them buy contraceptives, and that
they are choosing the MFP than NFP, but are we just bound to that choice
given in the Bill?”

It’s like,
(1) don’t let your children use the internet because they might visit some porn
site if they are alone
(2) don’t let your child(girl or boy) be friends with its opposite sex because it
is possible that they may have an intimate relationship and end up in sex
(3) don’t attend the church mass because there are some priest who are involve
in sex/corruption scandals and they might influence your children.

So what I am trying to say is, God has given us heart and mind to choose for
what is right and what is wrong and to balance things. If God is in your heart,
then given any information and choices, you will choose what is highly right,
morally and spiritually.

I totally disagree with your comment, sorry.

click

October 3, 2010 at 3:44 am | #285

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Mr. Neigyl I think that what you should worry about is that:

Will that 17 yr-old boy addicted to sex that buys condom for protection
will be a GOOD PARENT in the future!?

and if he becomes a parent what kind of upbringing can this 17- yr old
addicted to sex do.?

without any moral value issues


 Neigyl R. Noval

October 7, 2010 at 10:38 pm | #286

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click :
Mr. Neigyl I think that what you should worry about is
that:
Will that 17 yr-old boy addicted to sex that buys
condom for protection will be a GOOD PARENT in the
future!?

and if he becomes a parent what kind of upbringing can

this 17- yr old addicted to sex do.?
without any moral value issues

–> This leads everyone to an intuition that a 17 year old boy is

okay to be addicted to protected sex as long as he become a
good parent in the future.

There are many things to consider here my friend:

(1) Health: All contraceptives affect the health of both sexes
having sex. Here are few sources:

http://www.epigee.org/guide/medfaq.html

http://www.woomb.org/omrrca/bulletin/vol25/no2/effects.shtml

http://www.obgyn.net/educational-tutorials/wellsetal/Sarc-
Conf.ppt

(2) Education: Sex affects one’s brain especially at young age.

Here again are my sources:

http://www.straight.com/article-170662/too-much-sex-brain

http://www.reuniting.info/science/sex_in_the_brain

(3) A Young’s future: There is a high probability that that

certain individual can destroy his future.

(4) There are many more factors.

Neigyl R. Noval
October 7, 2010 at 10:25 pm | #287

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webista :
Mr. Neigyl, the way I interpret your given scenario is that…
“If the RH Bill is passed, then, the church and parents will no
longer teach their children good moral values and just let them
buy contraceptives, and that they are choosing the MFP than
NFP, but are we just bound to that choice given in the Bill?”

–> We are not only bounded of the decision. However, the bill is
leading to that. See?? Contraceptives are made as Essential Medicines
(Section 10). We can decide when and how often to have sex (Section
4c). It made us approach to the boundaries of certain illness that
contraceptives can give to ones health. Take note, i do not consider
moral values here.

webista :

It’s like,
(1) don’t let your children use the internet because they might
visit some porn site if they are alone
(2) don’t let your child(girl or boy) be friends with its opposite
sex because it is possible that they may have an intimate
relationship and end up in sex
(3) don’t attend the church mass because there are some priest
who are involve in sex/corruption scandals and they might
influence your children.

–> There is nothing wrong with that because everyone seems to be

doing it (1), and it is normal to be attracted to the opposite sex;
abnormal otherwise (2). What is not wrong is its application to it at the
wrong time, which is obviously the worst effect of this bill.

webista :

So what I am trying to say is, God has given us heart and mind
to choose for what is right and what is wrong and to balance
things. If God is in your heart, then given any information and
choices, you will choose what is highly right, morally and
spiritually.
I totally disagree with your comment, sorry.

–> Considering moral values. God indeed give us wisdom. But Satan is
also giving us confusions. It depends on where one is to decide. The
probability density of one to be influenced by the bad effects of this
bill is high. I am not saying that the bill is bad at all, there are good
things in it. See my post #66 (plus minus) for a thorough explanation
of this bill.
 Thank you.

malou

April 22, 2011 at 3:01 am | #288

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you know what? with or without condom, the boy would get addicted to sex
with the scenario you had given.

and to tell you, mas gusto ng tao ang walang condom. mas nakakaaddict ang
walang condom.

kung makikipag sex sya 3 or more times a week, may condom or wala,
gagawin nya iyon. kaya nga ang daming nabubuntis kasi hindi nila alam na
mabubuntis sila sa isang ganunan lang. and ang daming guys na hindi nila
sukat akalaing mabubuntis yung girl.

alive

May 3, 2011 at 3:30 pm | #289

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Mr. Neigyl, it is better to use condom for a boy age 17 years old than using
nothing! ikaw ba naman makabuntis sa murang edad.

31.

madsen

October 2, 2010 at 4:11 am | #290

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correlation does not mean causation. some people here tend to quickly roll down the
slippery slope. and some even think of the extremes. imo, if the bill doesnt get passed
there will still be people who will opt to use contraceptives, and if the bill does get
passed, there will be people who will prefer natural intercourse.

arowen

October 2, 2010 at 2:24 pm | #291

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of all the comments, i liked madsen’s the most. there are people who tend to
think of the extremes.

anyway, here are some of my points:

1. i believe that the country’s growing population is a problem that must be

resolved. our land area is not growing, in fact it may even decrease, so if birth
rate grows faster than the death rate, there will come a time when our land
mass would not be enough to accommodate everybody. but population is not
the only problem. we also need to promote sustainable consumption of our
resources. even if there were only a thousand Filipinos in this country but they
consume the resources faster than they can replenish it, resources will
eventually be depleted.

2. is pre-marital sex really wrong? and if it is, what makes it wrong? is it

because sex is made only for procreation? does this mean married couples who
don’t want to have children don’t have sex anymore? i think sex is an act of
love. it strengthens relationships. if you do it only with the person you love,
there’s no problem with it. and getting addicted to sex is relative. having sex
frequently doesn’t mean you’re already addicted to it.

3. foremost, education is the key to solving the population boom. people must
be made aware that sex is not only an emotional act but also biological. and it
has social implications, not only within oneself, one’s family, one’s
community, but the entire country. the youth are not the only ones who need to
be educated. parents should also be taught how to teach their children about
reproductive health. you cannot just say something is immoral or wrong,
children nowadays are very witty and inquisitive. you have to prove to them
why something is immoral or wrong. of course, moral education care of the
church and its allies is still indispensable. but we need more than that, we need
allowances and restrictions from outside (as opposed to allowances and
restrictions guided by our conscience/morality) to guide our actions. If we
need a policy to prevent people from throwing trash on the streets because of
lack of discipline, what’s wrong with that?
 side notes: of course, pornography will not be shown in class. that’s an
exaggeration. teachers teach based on a curriculum. children can have better
access to pornography in homes (such as through the internet) and DVD stores
than in schools.

and please, don’t refer to this country as a catholic country (or something to
that effect). a country heavily grounded on spiritual beliefs may be more
proper. spirituality is not defined by religion.

4. to continue my point in #3, with education comes an awareness of methods

that can be used to prevent pregnancy. so this bill can actually increase access
to such methods. it’s true, the bill is lacking in promoting natural methods. and
i agree that it should not classify contraceptives under the category of essential
medicines. that puts them at par with basic goods such as meat and poultry,
canned goods, rice, fish, bread, etc. (see Price Act). however, classifying it
under essential medicines has its benefits, too. it means that the government
will have to regularly monitor the costs of these contraceptives and work to
keep their costs at reasonable levels. it offers consumers protection against
profiteering and cartel.

Neigyl R. Noval

October 2, 2010 at 8:09 pm | #292

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madsen :
if the bill doesnt get passed there will still be people who will opt to
use contraceptives…

–> How much more when the bill becomes a law and the contraceptives
become ESSENTIAL MEDICINES (sold famously on pharmacies)? Many
people will use more of contraceptives.

madsen :
if the bill does get passed, there will be people who will prefer natural
intercourse.

–> How is this possible when contraceptives are suggested and required to
Filipinos (Contraceptives as ESSEMTIAL MEDICINES)?


 kyowa

November 2, 2010 at 11:10 am | #293

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in case you didn’t know. some contraceptives are ACTUALLY used as

medicines. for women with polycystic ovaries, they actually need pills
to be treated. if they stop taking pills, they develop cysts. just because
people use pills, doesn’t mean they’re all for it. if it’s their health on
the line then why not.

I respect your opinion but I think you may be a bit rash. I’m still
unresolved about this bill but whether we like it or not, there are people
who will ACTUALLY benefit from this in a good way. My 2 cents.

passerby

May 15, 2011 at 12:49 am | #294

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You concluded outrightly Mr. Noval. Essential doesn’t equate to

‘required’. Like what the bill is pushing, everything that happens after
people are informed of all the possible choices of family planning and
responsible parenthood, is entirely up to the people themselves. They
can choose natural or artificial methods. Some people, like you maybe,
who don’t like artificial methods, can opt not to use them.

32.

Yuri_Diculous

October 2, 2010 at 11:08 pm | #295

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MORALITY NA ANG KAILANGANG PAG-USAPAN!

Hindi kung ano mang batas na magpapayaman ng bansa,
o magpapaganda ng buhay!
 MORALITY is NOT an OPTION !!!
IT is NECESSARY.

karl

October 5, 2010 at 12:46 pm | #296

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they are just wanting to have sex with anyone they will like. that’s why they
are not denying RH-bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

33.

click

October 3, 2010 at 2:47 pm | #297

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Pls if you really hate the Catholic Church that much dont use this.

There are much important Projects that nids this budget, like EDUCATION.

We cant go to school without money, allowances, thats why we nid to give our focus
on Education. making it more possible for poor students to go to schools. more
Scholarships.

On the other hand we can just disciplne those irresponsible people that treat sex like
dinner to stop and imposing humane laws, have a background check on how many
child they can make,then if they become wealthy enough to support many kids in the
future, then probably another justification should be made. Some will say its not
humane, to take away your freedom of choosing how many child you should raise.
But what is more humane, this how-many-child-I-can-bear policy or preventing that
life to live inside you.? just a question.

and another thing, bka kasi maabuso lang to ng mga religious group na nanghikayat at
nagpaparami ng kasapi, kapatid. Pwede kasi magamit ng magagandang members ung
pills pra d mabuntis,pagnagkagirlfriend ka syempre sasabihin sayo non, “bawal ako
makipagrelasyon sa d ko kaparehas ng religion” ikaw syempre dami nyo ng
nagwa,nagppremarital sex narin kayo, syempre inlove un,:)) , tapos mo magpaconvert
pano kung iniwan ka. )
 o

passerby

May 15, 2011 at 12:58 am | #298

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Tell me, how do you discipline sex-crazed let alone adults? I think providing
them information about responsible parenthood and family planning is a more
viable option than having to visit every house in the Philippines and evaluating
everyone whether they can support their children or not. And having to
evaluate families and telling them to stop producing children violates their
freedom. Why not empower them by giving them the freedom to make
informed choices on their own?

34.

anonie

October 3, 2010 at 8:23 pm | #299

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screw the church. those knuckleheads have gone too far in controlling the world. i’d
say support this bill, don’t give those darth vader wannabes a chance to control the
philippines

35.

jenette

October 3, 2010 at 8:32 pm | #300

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the RH Bill empowering women to make the right choice and decisions in family
planning…it should go hand in hand with DISCIPLINE in terms of sex…specially
young couples….through education and health information drive to teenagers…at
school and home…and we wish that PARENTS nowadays will be responsible enough
in terms of educating their kids…we teachers do teach kids the consequences and
encourage them to prioritize their studies…we wish also that parents wud do the same
 to find tym in guiding their children…:) its really up to the FAMILY the basic
foundation of the society whether to choose natural or artificial method of family
planning…we hope that the responsible parenthood wud be given the utmost priority:)

vanillae

October 4, 2010 at 8:03 pm | #301

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It’s like saying, “Hand those kids a handful of candies and educate them that
candies are not good.”

36.

rommel

October 4, 2010 at 7:53 am | #302

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andy bandag :
since marcos time, contraceptives were already in use, did population decline?
from city to far flung areas, almost in every corner of the Philippine
archipelago, couples, fornicators, adulterers if not all but almost all been using
these trashes, did population again declined? and what we got? sex starve
generation, uncontrolled sexual urges and it is because of the luck of discipline
regarding sexuality, because instead of educating people, the government offer
them condoms, pills etc.

Responsible sex and parenthood education is the key to a a sustainable human

development–a better society–not these condoms, pills, etc.

johny

October 4, 2010 at 4:18 pm | #303

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 tamaaaaaaaaaaaaa…………

37.

goodlucktummy

October 4, 2010 at 10:16 am | #304

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they’re practically handing out condoms/contraceptives like candy. given the power
and nature human sexual urges, why would anyone want to do natural family planning
methods that take time as opposed to contraceptives that can provide instant
gratification?

the bill is supposed to empower women and it does on many levels, but i think a
possible adverse effect could be abusive men who might run amok (with free
condoms in hand) and “sow their seed” without having to face the consequences.

Neigyl R. Noval

October 7, 2010 at 10:50 pm | #305

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goodlucktummy :
they’re practically handing out condoms/contraceptives like candy.
given the power and nature human sexual urges, why would anyone
want to do natural family planning methods that take time as opposed
to contraceptives that can provide instant gratification?
the bill is supposed to empower women and it does on many levels, but
i think a possible adverse effect could be abusive men who might run
amok (with free condoms in hand) and “sow their seed” without
having to face the consequences.

–> I thank you for having seen the effect of this Bill. That is indeed one of the
important points to consider here. I guess Filipinos have increased their level
of “horniness” or sexual urge, that is why the government have blindly created
this bill.

(1) There will be more of the Filipinos’ sexual urge since contraceptives are
now on retail at available price and is considered as “ESSENTIAL
 MEDICINES”. Having said that and considering the worst effect of
contraceptives and sex on young couples, there will be more Filipinos who can
no longer think logically and critically, do work efficiently, and everyone is
bounded on this essential medicine.

38.

jlocute

October 4, 2010 at 10:28 am | #306

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I am a Catholic, and I stand by the Church decision!! I am sad that many other
Catholics are opposing against it. Many are Catholic by name and doesn’t understand
and work to deepen its faith. We must support our Church; it knows what’s good and
bad, for it is from God. If it is from God, then who are attacking it? Satan, the enemy.
He only wants to ruin our soul and help us to offend God more thru his wise tactics
that many are not aware. He often mixed good with bad and truth with false to
confuse us. Exactly as what this RH bill is.

He said “I Pretend to love men, in order to destroy them; serve them, in order to ruin
them and deceive them; help them, in order to pervert them and draw them into these
my hellish regions”. Exactly, this RH bill is one of his ways.

It is indeed true that words of Jesus from visionaries and mystics are happening right
now “My Church will be persecuted to a degree never seen before as evil has reached
a height that has never before been seen on Earth. She shall suffer and be persecuted.
She has been judged already in this scourging soon to carry the great cross to Her
Calvary where she shall be crucified, tormented and mocked, and believed to have
died and been destroyed”
Its true that Jesus Christ kingdom is not of this world. Satan’s claim is fulfilling “I am
the King of this world” because many are under his control and power.

We will be accountable to God on everything that we do. Do not judge especially our
priests and even more the bishops. Jesus said to Gloria Polo, “Who did you think you
were making yourself God and judging my anointed? They are human, and the
holiness of a priest is built by his community, that prays, loves, and supports him.
When a priest sins his community is questioned, not him.” Jesus showed her how the
many demons were attached to her when she do it.

John 8:7 “He that is without sin among you, let him cast first a stone”.

Our Church is from God, it is the only one left that’s opposing to the attack of the evil
right now. Nobody is opposing but only the Catholic Church! Many had gone to the
other side embracing the enemy in attacking the Church and its children. Be careful
my friend, these are signs of end times.
39.

nonsequitur

October 4, 2010 at 10:34 am | #307

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This bill even if passed can easily be striked out as unconstitutional. If the Catholic
Church and other religions who are against the bill will get a good lawyer, they can
win this in court.

vanillae

October 4, 2010 at 8:11 pm | #308

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Wrong. History doesn’t tell us that. In the Philippines alone, there are
executive orders that are unconstitutional, but the issues have just gone with
the previous government.

Abortion is unconstitutional according to the real sense of the United States’

Constitution, but since Roe v Wade, did the protesters win? A big NO.
Abortion is still legal, and is actually being promoted by the Obama
administration, but ironically, it is unconstitutional.

The Catholic Church have the best lawyers, but it does not mean they will win
inside the court once this proposal became a law. It’s not as simple as you
think it is.

mocha_pandan

October 5, 2010 at 8:46 am | #309

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The Church is the mystical body of Christ, he already revealed that the
Catholic is its bride. The only one opposing the evil. Many of Gods
children support now the enemy. “My Church will be persecuted to a
degree never seen before as evil has reached a height that has never
before been seen on Earth. She shall suffer and be persecuted. She has
been judged already in this scourging soon to carry the great cross to
Her Calvary where she shall be crucified, tormented and mocked, and
believed to have died and been destroyed”

urak

October 5, 2010 at 1:08 pm | #310

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Well, interesting post but where in the bible are you basing
your statement?

jlocute

October 5, 2010 at 2:10 pm | #311

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I already told that not are all in the Bible, there are
many revelations to saints, visionaries and mystics of
our times. There are apparitions of the Blessed Mother
Mary. All of these are messages for all of us. Isn’t it that
all that writes the Bible are the same? They are people
whom God chooses to carry His Divine messages. God
continues to intervene on our time today “I will be with
you till the end of time”.
The Bible is not the end of God’s messages.

vanillae
 October 5, 2010 at 5:13 pm | #312

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If you know the Bible, you’ll see.

40.

giesaril tabunaway

October 4, 2010 at 10:39 am | #313

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,,i agree with president noy,

cause i know it will help a lot.
our coutry is already in top 12 to the top 15 most populated coutry…
imagine????
there are so many countries in the world,
and were in 12th????
oh come on..
lets support him…

Neigyl R. Noval

October 7, 2010 at 11:00 pm | #314

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giesaril tabunaway :
,,i agree with president noy,
cause i know it will help a lot.
our coutry is already in top 12 to the top 15 most populated coutry…
imagine????
there are so many countries in the world,
and were in 12th????
oh come on..

lets support him…

RH Bill is not only the solution to this problem. I would like you to see the
common aspect and traditions that Filipinos are usually doing:
 (1) “Bahala na siya. Hindi naman ako ang madadamay.”
(2) “Ok lang yun, wala namang nakakita eh.”
(3) Pagtapon sa basura kahit saan habang sumasakay ng jeepney.
(4) “Ok nayan. 3.0 / 75 lang naman ang hiningi ng gobyerno natin eh”.
(5) “Eto na yung isang daang libong piso. Iboto mo ako.”

I hope you get the point.

Again, this bill is not the only way to control the population in the Philippines.
There are many different ways.

Some few suggestions would be:

(1)
Increase the literacy rates of Filipino people (in whatever way) so they can
find jobs and get busy to work. In that way, they are not prone to private
places where few gets horny and do their stuff there.

(2)
Encourage all young Filipinos to study hard and do their best on their studies
so they may be successful in their carrier. Though related to number (1), this
suggestion pertains to more Qualitive education and not just Quantitative
education (where you graduated college and learned less). It is obvious that
money is the problem. Their are many good ways to gain financial aid though
with the help of God.

(3)
Encourage everyone to be religious not in words but in deeds, like visiting
orphanages and the like.

If you don’t get why the points above will solve the population in the
Philippines, then you have a problem.

God bless us all.

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ronnie buray

October 4, 2010 at 2:35 pm | #315

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The church is the bride of Christ.I personally submit to Her wisdom in terms of moral
teachings.Overpopulation? Well,blame it to God if you dare.Gagawa Siya ng mundo
only to be overpopulated? Congrats nga sa mga author ng RH bill.Mga theologians na
pala sila. Why dont you focus on solving corruption? Diyan lang mahihirapan na
kayo. About comprehensive land reform? Ang daming farmers na walang lupa, diyan
kayo mag focus.

jur

October 5, 2010 at 12:28 am | #316

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Maybe the bride isn’t THE ROMAN CATHOLIC church.

Maybe you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Moreover, the RH bill isn’t forcing anyone.

It’s giving us a choice!
Overpopulation is a serious issue.

Maybe you should take into account that it’s about our fellow citizens!
If I apply the same philosophy, then “Gagawa ba siya ng mundo only to have
people kill each other and die of global warming!”

Faith is useless without action.

They can deal with those fucked up officials later.

You have no idea how many are dying of hunger as you sit on your computer
taking out ignorant claims about YOUR faith.

Maybe there’s something wrong with it!

jlocute

October 5, 2010 at 10:43 am | #317

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The Catholic Church is the only one standing and opposing against the
attack of His enemy, SATAN! While most of his children embraced
and joined the enemy in persecuting her (the Church).
“My Church will be persecuted to a degree never seen before as evil
has reached a height that has never before been seen on Earth. She
shall suffer and be persecuted. She has been judged already in this
scourging soon to carry the great cross to Her Calvary where she shall
be crucified, tormented and mocked, and believed to have died and
been destroyed”
Its true that Jesus Christ kingdom is not of this world. Satan’s claim is
fulfilling “I am the King of this world” because many are under his
control and power.

urak

October 7, 2010 at 1:35 pm | #318

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Or the catholic church is the tool of satan – to bring misery,

hunger and poverty to the people?

jlocute

October 7, 2010 at 1:46 pm | #319

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Study yourself if you are not being used by Satan in

your judgment. The demons are applauding with your
statement. Please ask the Holy Spirit for the gifts of
discernment.

jlocute

October 7, 2010 at 2:01 pm | #320

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 Many has already presented to you the evilness of this
bill and it seems that you do not are not open. Do you
really pray and asks God for enlightenment of this issue.
How sincere and whole-hearted is that then? or you not?
Many eyes do not see and ears that really can’t hear. Its
simply, when good and bad are mixed, then, it is not
good!! Its from Satan who mixed things to confuse. He
hides my friend. Asks God for gifts to discover Him.

Neigyl R. Noval

October 7, 2010 at 11:16 pm | #321

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jur :
Maybe the bride isn’t THE ROMAN CATHOLIC church.
Maybe you don’t know what you’re talking about.

–> The word bride here is only a symbol or a figurative word. Don’t
take this literary.

jur :
Moreover, the RH bill isn’t forcing anyone.
It’s giving us a choice!
Overpopulation is a serious issue.
Maybe you should take into account that it’s about our fellow
citizens!

–> The RH bill indeed is not forcing anyone. But it is influencing

everyone of what is actually wrong — that is pre-marital sex,
fornication, etc.

jur :

If I apply the same philosophy, then “Gagawa ba siya ng

mundo only to have people kill each other and die of global
warming!”

How sure are you on this statement? God is there. Satan is also there.
God has giving us free will because we are humans. Satan has took
advantage of that free will and that is how many people accept the
invitation of Satan.

jur :
 Faith is useless without action.
They can deal with those fucked up officials later.
You have no idea how many are dying of hunger as you sit on
your computer taking out ignorant claims about YOUR faith.
Maybe there’s something wrong with it!

–> Many have died of hunger because they are too lazy to work, to
study, and to earn money. See those who are poor and successful
people. Many have asked God for help yet they do no work. That is
also one of the problem.

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wiz

October 4, 2010 at 3:05 pm | #322

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inAAA :Why do you all think that this bill is mere CONTRACEPTION? It
educates people too, guys.

Education for responsible parenthood is not new. I agree with what others said that
the access to contraceptives has been available a long long time ago in any convenient
stores. Even ligation and vasectomy is already being practiced in our country even
before I was born. 15 years ago, teenagers including me were involved in natural
family planning supported by the church every week educating parents and teens for
responsible parenthood. I use that information now that I am married. Gladly my
husband & I have the same convictions. We practice abstinence and sacrifice so its
something that can be done in reality. The RH bill have good points in educating
couples and teens but like what I said this has been an old practice in schools and our
barangays. For some of you who doesn’t know, the U.S. which was specifically
detailed by H.Clinton has a budget for helping the 3rd world finance the family
planning education with promotion of contraception as one of the means and that I
believe what our government is after. The “budget” overflowing from the USofA
which lights up a question: who will really benefit? maybe a small portion of people
but the majority of the budget will be in the hands of corrupt animals i mean officials.
So, going back to RH bill, is this really necessary in our society? or just another for
wealth source of our poor and hungry politicians.

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johny
October 4, 2010 at 4:04 pm | #323

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if o were president noynoy ” sige hinde ko a approbahan ang bill na to, pagbibigyan
ko ang mga simbahan, lalo na ang katoliko…… pero isa lang hehelengen ko, dapat
WALANG BAYAD ANG PAGPAPABINYAG, PAGPAPAKASAL, PA MESA SA
PATAY” …

yes life is for everyone… but what kind of life is it ba? katolad ba ng life ko na halos
isang beses lang kumaen isang araw, katolad ba ng life ng mga pamangkin ko na
hangang ngayon wala pang mga pangalan dahil anf mahal mahal magpabenyag?

sa mga katolad kong maherap, let’s get REAL sa mga may kaya… sige maging
MAKADIYOS kayo. ng papunta kayo sa langit!!!!

vanillae

October 4, 2010 at 8:31 pm | #324

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Maaring mahirap ka at walang makain pero walang kinalaman ang Simbahan

sa paghihirap mo. Wala ka bang kakayahan magtrabaho? Kung meron, ang
tanong e bakit wala ka halos makain? Ang pagbibigay ng kabuhayan ay
tungkulin ng pamahalaan. Humingi ka ba ng tulong? At nung wala kang
makain, lumapit ka ba sa Simbahan para sabihin ang sitwasyon mo?
Tinanggihan ka ba ng iyong Kura? Ang nangangaral ng Ebanghelyo ay may
karapatang kumuha ng ikabubuhay niya dito. Yan ang turo ni San Pablo,
dalawang libong taon na ang nakakalipas, at mananatili yan totoo hanggat may
mundo.

Tungkol sa mga pamangkin mo, civil registrar ang kailangan nila para
magkaroon ng pangalan, hindi Simbahan. At kung binyag ang pag-uusapan,
hindi binabayaran at hindi mababayaran ang binyag. May facilities na
ginagamit sa pagdiriwang ng binyag. Nagbabayad din ng kuryente ang
parokya, hindi sila libre sa Meralco. Ngayon, kung hindi mabinyagan ang mga
pamangkin mo dahil sa kawalan ng pera, hindi na yun tama. May ginawa na
ba ang mga magulang niya? Sinasabi rin sa akin noon na hindi ka pwedeng
magpakasal nang P15,000 lang ang pera mo. Isang taon namin pinagtatalunan
yan ng mga kamag-anak ko, pero hindi sila nanalo. Nagpakasal ako na P500
lang ang pera ko. Mas mahal pa nagastos sa simpleng handaan. Actually, may
kakilala pa nga ako na mag-asawang hindi gumastos ng kahit ano sa Simbahan
(hindi mass wedding, sila lang talaga). Akala kasi natin e kilala natin ang
hinahatulan natin, pero ang totoo, wala tayong alam dito.
 Sige, ipasa halimbawa ang RH Bill, nasan naman ang pondo para sa
edukasyon, para sa livelihood, para sa ibang mga pangangailangan ng
mamamayan. Gagawin essential medecine ang contraceptives, e ultimo over-
the-counter medicine, nauubusan ang mga health center. Papayag ka ba na
contraceptive pills ang ibigay sa iyo pag linalagnat ka? Okay lang ba kung
pakainin ng gobyerno ng condom ang pamilya pag gutom na gutom na kayo
dahil yun lang ang pinagamitan ng pera?

Nararanasan din namin ang hindi kumain, pero hindi kami papayag na
samantalahin ng mga ipokritong politiko ang gutom namin para linlangin kami
at sabihin ito at iyan ang kailangan namin. Ikabubuhay ang kailangan ng mga
Filipino, hindi ikamamatay ng mga bata at mga ina.

Neigyl R. Noval

October 7, 2010 at 11:24 pm | #325

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johny :
if o were president noynoy ” sige hinde ko a approbahan ang bill na to,
pagbibigyan ko ang mga simbahan, lalo na ang katoliko…… pero isa
lang hehelengen ko, dapat WALANG BAYAD ANG
PAGPAPABINYAG, PAGPAPAKASAL, PA MESA SA PATAY” …

– Please be mature enough my dear friend. How can the church sustain the
needs of their priest, nuns, etc, when people will not give (or donate) them
money? That is the reason why donations are always there on the church. That
is the reason why weddings, funerals, baptism needs finance because the
priests, nuns, etc also have their own needs like food, etc, excluding their
projects.

johny :
yes life is for everyone… but what kind of life is it ba? katolad ba ng
life ko na halos isang beses lang kumaen isang araw, katolad ba ng life
ng mga pamangkin ko na hangang ngayon wala pang mga pangalan
dahil anf mahal mahal magpabenyag?
sa mga katolad kong maherap, let’s get REAL sa mga may kaya… sige
maging MAKADIYOS kayo. ng papunta kayo sa langit!!!!

You should do more hardwork. Ask everyone for help. God bless you.

o
 John

May 20, 2011 at 1:18 pm | #326

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hindi mahal magpabinyag, magpakasal at magpamisa sa patay, sa totoo lang

walang bayad yun, nanghihingi lang ng donasyon ang simbahan of any
amount dahil hindi naman makakasurvive ang simbahan kung walang
pantustos sa gastusin. uulitin ko, “DONASYON OF ANY AMOUNT” kaya
lang nagiging “mahal” yun para sa iba dahil gusto nila enggrande ang lahat, eh
puwede ba namang maglagay ang simbahan ng mga dekorasyon at
pampaenggrande na hindi nanghihingi ng bayad, ano gagastusin nila para dun
sa mga pampaenggrande na gusto niyong iavail? pero kung yung sacramento
lang, kasal, binyag, misa sa patay, etc., ang habol n’yo, maibibigay ng
simbahan yun ng libre. naintindihan mo na? siguraduhin muna kasi na alam
yung sinasabi bago magkomento.

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wawam

October 4, 2010 at 9:15 pm | #327

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a significant number of catholics support RH Bill 5043, even slightly higher than non-
catholics.
 o

vanillae

October 5, 2010 at 4:19 pm | #328

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First question: have you seen the questionnaire and has it been proven to be
not “leading”? Second: is SWS an honest organization without bias on
reproductive propaganda? Better ask Kit Tatad. He personally knows the man
behind it. Third: are all “Catholics” Catholic? Are you?

To classify this issue by religion is senseless.

45.

jur

October 5, 2010 at 12:18 am | #329

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Then what does the church propose to do in case the RH bill is left unsigned.
Feed everyone with two loaves and a fish?

Why don’t you guys do a background check on the Catholic church?

It’s full of bullshit.

jlocute

October 5, 2010 at 10:13 am | #330

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We will be accountable to God on everything that we do. Do not judge

especially our priests and even more the bishops as God will judge you more
severely. Jesus said to Gloria Polo, “Who did you think you were making
yourself God and judging my anointed? They are human, and the holiness of a
priest is built by his community, that prays, loves, and supports him. When a
priest sins his community is questioned, not him.” Jesus showed her how the
many demons were attached to her when she do it.

Be careful my friend.

It is indeed true that words of Jesus from visionaries and mystics are
happening right now “My Church will be persecuted to a degree never seen
before as evil has reached a height that has never before been seen on Earth.
She shall suffer and be persecuted. She has been judged already in this
scourging soon to carry the great cross to Her Calvary where she shall be
crucified, tormented and mocked, and believed to have died and been
destroyed”
Its true that Jesus Christ kingdom is not of this world. Satan’s claim is
fulfilling “I am the King of this world” because many are under his control
and power.

jur

October 5, 2010 at 10:09 pm | #331

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How sure are you that THAT “church” is the Catholic church.
Luke 6:43
“No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit.”

Over the past ten centuries, what kind of fruit have they produced?

Matthew 24: 11-14

“Many false prophets will appear and fool many people; and many
people’s love will grow cold because of increased distance from Torah.
But whoever holds out till the end will be delivered.”

DO YOU EVEN READ THE BIBLE??

Ever noticed the Catholic church wants you to hear the gospel only 10
minutes every sunday, SUBJECTIVELY from the priest and NOT
READ IT FOR YOURSELF???

THINK

jlocute

October 6, 2010 at 8:51 am | #332

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If I show you some verse in the Bible you will not believe even.
Because certainly, there are eyes that cannot see and ears that
cannot hear.
Besides, the Bible is not the only basis of truth. Many religions
based their beliefs only in the Bible, but what happen? Because
the science of reason, there is a tendency to constitute human
intelligence alone as the criterion of truth. With reasoning give
birth to errors thru their own interpretations. As a result there
are many Christian denominations and sects that are all
professing their own truth. These errors are being propagated
by false teachers, by renowned theologians who no longer
teaching the truths of the Gospel, but pernicious heresies based
on error and human reasoning. It is because of these teachings,
the faith is lost and great apostasy is spread anywhere. Truly
many false prophets will appear and don’t be deceived.

Catholics has Sacred Scriptures “Bible” and “Sacred

Traditions”. Aside from this, heaven continue to send messages
for each of us appropriate for our times. There are saints,
mystics, visionaries, the apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary,
each giving divine messages and guidance for us. Remember
the Bible are Good News or messages made by people God
chose, the same as these people being used by God to send his
messages appropriate for our time. Would you mean to say,
God’s messages stopped when the Bible was made? Does
heaven doesn’t intervene and help us now? No. As Jesus said “I
will be with you, til the end of time”.

It is true many will be lost as there are already Catholic which

are not really Catholic as Satan tries to destroy the Church.
Even some priests may have been lost as you read in some
newspapers. But does it mean that because of these peoples the
truth will be changed? NO.

You may go on with what you believe and even encourage

people to believe in you. You cant argue about the truth, you
can distract yourself and others from the truth. But the truth still
remains. When you die you will know the truth, as the truth is
inescapable.

We are out of topic now, you really try to discredit the Catholic
Church. It’s the only one standing right now opposing the evil
while many Gods children join and embrace the enemy in
attacking its Church.

jur

October 6, 2010 at 11:41 pm | #333

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“Besides, the Bible is not the only basis of truth. ”

what else is? THE POPE??

That man up there worshiped as a living holy being??
Who’s the false prophet then?

You cannot say that!

Be careful with your words.

The bible is the word of God.

It may not contain every truth in the world, but as a
Christian, your values should and always be in contrast
with the bible.
 WE ARE NOT OUT OF TOPIC.

The root of this confusion is caused by blurry and

unstudied faith!

TEST YOUR FAITH

(P.S. I’m not testing God, but our faith)

I am a devoted Christian and I’ve been challenging my

faith my whole life.

You should ask questions!

You can’t just take things and let it be.
That’s why God gave us brains,
so that we can think.

True faith always has every question answered clearly

and doesn’t leave you questioning.

i.e.,
“Why do we pray to saints when we can pray to God?”

jur

October 7, 2010 at 12:00 am | #334

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Mary didn’t go to heaven alive.

The church “assumed” she did.
That’s why it’s called the “Assumption of Mary”.

Mary didn’t die a virgin.

She obviously had sex with her spouse after giving birth
to Jesus because he had brothers.

Wilberg

October 7, 2010 at 2:10 am | #335

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I “assume” that you still understand the word

respect, and that you can recognize that people
join this thread because the issue is about
reproductive health bill. I hope you are not
“selfish enough” to just ignore that. It would be
appreciated if you will not continue to post off-
topic comments and make this thread
unnecessarily long. You can show off your
knowledge (whether they are right or wrong) in
another forum where Catholic dogmas are the
topic. I hope that I am not wrong with my first
assumption.

jlocute

October 7, 2010 at 10:10 am | #336

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Seek and you will find! Are you really seeking

for truth, or just finding faults? others who have
questions about Catholic belief too often make
the mistake of going to the wrong place for the
answers. Too often books written by religious
incompetents are consulted. The result is
incomplete and distorted information. The right
place to go for information about Catholic belief
— in fact the only place to go for complete and
authoritative information — is the Catholic
Church herself. As any detective will tell you,
no investigation is quite so complete as an on-
the-spot investigation.

vanillae

October 6, 2010 at 9:23 am | #337

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“How sure are you that THAT “church” is the Catholic
church.”

It’s for you to find out. He who seeks finds. Are you seeking
the truth within the Catholic Church or you’re just trying to
find faults? Does the holiness of the Church make its members
evil, or it is the obstinacy of the people that makes them more
evil? If you want to prove that there is another church that is
the real Church of Christ, then point it for us that we might be
saved with you.

“No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good
fruit.”

Are we not all sinners? Isn’t sin a bad fruit? Are you without
sin? If you have, do you imply that your church is not the true
Church? If you claim to be without sin, you deceive yourself
and the truth is not in you. Is Jesus not the Christ because he
bore Judas? What I could say is that you don’t understand the
passage that you are using.

“Over the past ten centuries, what kind of fruit have they
produced?”

Saints. Recognition of innate human dignity and human rights.

Hope. Courage. Meaning. Of course you are not seeing it
because your eyes are for judging others. Are those eyes the
fruit of your church?

“Many false prophets will appear and fool many people; and
many people’s love will grow cold because of increased
distance from Torah. But whoever holds out till the end will be
delivered.”

The Catholic Church is not “many”; it is the one where many

have appeared. Let me tell you who are many. How many
Christian denominations has the world have? Many — very
many! Although I am not saying that these denominations are
false prophets, that is how you apply the word “many”. It can’t
be possible or applicable to the one Catholic Church.

“Ever noticed the Catholic church wants you to hear the gospel
only 10 minutes every sunday, SUBJECTIVELY from the
priest and NOT READ IT FOR YOURSELF???”

That is a show of ignorance. Haven’t you noticed that the

Church offers the Sacrifice everyday? Doesn’t it mean a
proclamation of Gospel everyday? Do you hear the Gospel
everyday inside your church? Better read the Dei Verbum then
 tell us again that the Church does not want its member to read
the Bible frequently.

And what does the word “subjectively” mean here? That the
letters are changing when somebody else (the priest) read it for
you? Is it not right that the pastor reads for the assembly? Or
you’re suggesting that the assembly go at the front and read the
Scripture one by one? Besides, the part of the priest in the
readings of the passages is only the Gospel (ie. Matthew, Mark,
Luke, John), everything else is read by laymen.

Think.

John

May 20, 2011 at 1:37 pm | #338

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@jur
malamang hindi ka katoliko, pero may tanong ako sa’yo na
hindi natin kukunin sa bible ang sagot, kindi sa ating mga
sariling utak lang, kung meron man, I’m sure lahat meron nun,
hindi lang lahat gumagamit. ok, lets begin, pag ang members
ng iba’t ibang relihiyon tinanong mo kung saan nanggaling
yung mga aral tungkol sa Diyos na nalalaman niya ngayon,
siyempre ang itu2ro nya eh ang magulang nya o ang mga pastor
ng relihiyon nila, at pag tinanong mo yung mga pastor na yun,
ang isasagot nila eh sa bibliya o sa founder ng relihiyon nila,
sino2x nga ba ang founder ng iba’t ibang relihiyon, c Felix
Manalo, c Ely Soriano, etc., in short puro tao lang sila, eh ang
katoliko, sino nagpasimula nito, sabihin nating ang mga pari,
monsinyor, obispo, cardinal, santo papa, saan ba sila lahat
nagmula, eh di sa unang santo papa na nagtatag nang
katolikong simbahan, at sino ‘to, c St. Peter o San Pedro, at
sino siya, siya ay apostol ng ating Panginoong Hesu’ Kristo, at
hindi ko lang matandaan ang verse pero si Hesus mismo ang
ngtatag ng katolikong simbahan through St. Peter, dahil sinabi
Niya kay Peter, hindi man eksakto pero yan ung nilalaman nun
“Peter, you are the rock, on which I WILL BUILD MY
CHURCH” at si Hesus ang Panginoon, Siya ang Diyos… pag-
isipan nyo ngayon kung sino ang FALSE PROPHET na
binanggit sa bibliya, hmmm, hindi kaya yung mga
pangkaraniwang tao na founder ng iba’t ibang relihiyon
ngayon?hmmmm nagtatanong lang…
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urak

October 5, 2010 at 6:59 am | #339

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Quote me a verse in the Bible that explicitly say or imply that using contraceptives or
preventing the production of eggs and preventing the passage of sperm to the womb is
a form of abortion!

Hundreds of years ago Galileo was subjected to inquisition (or imprisonment) by the
roman catholic church because he insisted that the world is round and the planets
moves around the sun. The church insisted the opposite.

jlocute

October 5, 2010 at 10:34 am | #340

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Dont ask such things like that. Those are silly questions of people who wants
to justify their wrong doings by asking where it is in the bible. I ask you, does
the word “Bible” in the bible? Does the word “Holy Trinity” in the bible?
Does the word “Christmas” in the bible? But still the bible is word of God
written by evangelists inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Not are all in the Bible which is Sacred Scripture. In Catholics, there is also a
so called Sacred Traditions. These are teachings by words and mouth hand
over by apostles to peoples at that time down to popes, bishops, priests and to
us.

2 Thes 2:15
“Then, brothers and sisters, firmly hold on to the traditions we taught you
either when we spoke to you or in our letter”

The Church has its authority as given to St Peter, the first Pope.

“Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona . . . Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I
will build my church.” (Matt. 16:17-19).
“There shall be one fold and one shepherd.” (John 10:16).
“Feed my lambs . . . feed my sheep.” (John 21:15-17).

Apostles understood that Peter had authority from Christ to lead the Church,
for they gave him the presiding place every time they assembled in council
(Acts 1:15, 5:1-10), and they placed his name first every time they listed the
names of the Apostles. (Matt. 10:2, Mark 3:16, Luke 6:13-14, Acts 1:13).

Also, most Saints have been blessed with Divine Revelations which are
messages from Jesus, Mama Mary and other saints. There are also mystics and
visionaries favored with messages from God.

On of revelations says that the Catholic Church will be persecuted which is

happening right now, “My Church will be persecuted to a degree never seen
before as evil has reached a height that has never before been seen on Earth.
She shall suffer and be persecuted. She has been judged already in this
scourging soon to carry the great cross to Her Calvary where she shall be
crucified, tormented and mocked, and believed to have died and been
destroyed”
Its true that Jesus Christ kingdom is not of this world. Satan’s claim is
fulfilling “I am the King of this world” because many are under his control
and power.

urak

October 5, 2010 at 12:50 pm | #341

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Well its really hard to debate to someone who is brainwashed and

closed minded.

The bible did not mention anything that says Peter was the first
pope….

The book of revelation did not specifically mention Roman Catholic

Church. However, it talks about a WOMAN (Rev 17) (most often used
figuratively in the bible as a church) that will be judge at the end times
for being “adulterous”, being influential to world leaders and said to be
“drunk” with the BLOOD OF THE SAINTS. WELL WHO COULD
BE THIS CHURCH? A WOMAN IS USED CONSISTENTLY IN
THE BIBLE TO REPRESENT A CHURCH.INTERESTINGLY, THE
ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH KILLED MILLIONS DURING
THE INQUISITION PERIOD AND MOST OF THEM ARE
REFORMIST OR PROTESTANT OR EVANGELICAL
CHRISTIANS. However, your church called them heretics if not
witch.

You have to research your Church history my friend.

Well good-luck to your unbiblical tradition. If you really want to hold

on to your “sacred tradition” well you should throw away your science
book and you should continue to believe that the WORLD IS FLAT
AND EARTH IS THE CENTER OF OUR SOLAR SYSTEM cause
this is part of your “sacred tradition”

jlocute

October 5, 2010 at 1:40 pm | #342

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This is the evilness of Satan. He used also the Bible to destroy

us! What is happening now is that there are a lot or Christian
denominations professing they are the truth.
That’s why heaven intervenes to us, giving us guidance
appropriate for our times. They send heavenly messages to
Saints, to visionaries, to mystics. The Blessed Virgin Mary thru
his apparitions reveals many things. She is the one that said the
Catholic is the Church of Christ. You will see right now, as it is
the only one opposing the very evil of this RH bill.

Please read this messages of Mama Mary:

“But now, there is a spread abroad the most dangerous
tendency of wanting to penetrate to understand everything –
even mysteries – to such a point that only that part of the truth
can be accepted which can be understood by human
intelligence. There is a desire to unveil the mystery of God.”
“These truths are unchangeable, as the very truth of God is
unchangeable. Many of these form part of real mysteries in the
strict sense of the word, because they are not and never can be
understand by human intelligence.”
“Through the philosophers who begin to give exclusively value
to science and to reason, there is a tendency to constitute
human intelligence alone as the sole criterion for truth. Then
there comes the birth of great philosophical errors which
continue through centuries down to your days. The exaggerated
importance given to reason as exclusive criterion for truth leads
to the destruction of faith.”
“These errors are being propagated by false teachers, by
renowned theologians who no longer teaching the truths of the
Gospel, but pernicious heresies based on error and human
reasoning. It is because of these teachings, the faith is lost and
great apostasy is spread anywhere.”
“Thus, the truth is being corrupted with errors. Error is being
spread in a most dangerous way, namely as a new and modern
way of understanding the truth, and it ends by subverting the
very truths which are the foundation of the Catholic faith.”
“They are not denied openly, but they are accepted in such an
equivocal way that the doctrine is seriously compromised by
error in an unprecedented manner.”
“As a result, talk and discussion go on and on; but there is no
longer any belief, and the darkness of errors spread.”

urak

October 5, 2010 at 3:43 pm | #343

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Surely a church that is responsible for the murder and

torture of millions of individuals is not the real church.

jlocute

October 5, 2010 at 4:04 pm | #344

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Be careful not to accuse and judge. It said that

we should not be judged for we are weak, only
Jesus has the right to do it. Do not also say bad
and nonsense words to your fellow being, be
careful as it is a sin. Be careful when conversing
with others, be careful with the words we used.
We will held accountable for each of these.


 urak

October 5, 2010 at 6:42 pm | #345

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Judging and stating what is obvious are

two different thing…

vanillae

October 5, 2010 at 7:37 pm |

#346

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It’s obvious that Mary of

Magdala was a prostitute and her
accuser were just stating the
obvious (she was even caught in
the act), does that mean they did
not judge her?

jlocute

October 5, 2010 at 1:49 pm | #347

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The so-called bloody Inquisitions, which were initiated by the

civil governments of France and Spain for the purpose of
ferreting out Moslems and Jews who were causing social havoc
by posing as faithful Catholic citizens — even as priests and
bishops — were indeed approved by the Church. (Non-
Catholics who admitted they were non-Catholics were left
alone by the Inquisition.) And the vast majority of those
questioned by the Inquisition were completely cleared.
Nevertheless, the popes roundly condemned the proceedings
when they saw justice giving way to cruel abuses, and it was
 this insistent condemnation by the popes which finally put an
end to the Inquisitions

urak

October 5, 2010 at 3:50 pm | #348

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You are wrong. It was factual that the “holy” inquisition

was orchestrated by the Roman catholic church itself.
Even the late Pope John Paul II formally and publicly
apologize for the crime commited by the roman catholic
church in the inquisition.

REad it for your self:

http://www.bibletoday.com/archive/popeapology.htm

http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m004rpInqui
sition_Jan04.htm

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0003/12/sm.06
.html

jlocute

October 6, 2010 at 10:26 am | #349

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Urak, read the whole Genesis 38.

Here’s some of its content:

“Then Judah said to Onan, “Lie with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty
to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother.” But Onan
knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his
brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing
offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so he
put him to death also. ”
What does it mean, Onan simply spilled his semen on the ground not to
produce offspring. Then, it is already wicked in the eyes of the Lord.
Withdrawal, masturbation is a sin already so as the same as contraception.
You counter God’s purpose of sex!

pomum

October 6, 2010 at 4:57 pm | #350

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what?

urak

October 7, 2010 at 8:53 am | #351

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I was expecting that this passage will pop up anytime. Not so clever
though, you are so literal in your logic. You miss the whole point of
the story. In the ancient time, it was their practice to take their dead
brother’s position as a husband to continue his bloodline and to take
care of the widows. The whole point of the “bad action” is about
SWINDLING, DISOBEDIENCE and DECEIT. However, I agree with
you that masturbation is wrong in the sight of God but the spilling of
semen is just a consequence action of the “sin in the mind”, fornication
or adultery in the mind is considered fornication and adultery is the
standard of God.

You think as if sex if only for procreation…but you are wrong. God is
not kill-joy. He design sex not just for procreation but also for comfort,
intimacy and pleasure in marriage. Did you not wonder why is it that
God design the woman womb to be fertile only for 2-3 days in a
month? What will you do with the 27-28 days? Spill/Waste the semen
in the womb? — and thats according to your logic.

Ponder on the following verses:

Procreation
Gen. 1:28, “And God blessed them; and God said to them, ‘Be fruitful
 and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of
the sea and over the birds of the sky, and over every living thing that
moves on the earth.’”
Intimacy
Song 1:13, “My beloved is to me a pouch of myrrh which lies all night
between my breasts.”
Song 2:3, “Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest, so is my
beloved among the young men. In his shade I took great delight and
sat down, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.”
Song 2:6, “Let his left hand be under my head and his right hand
embrace me.”
Song 4:5, “Your two breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle,
which feed among the lilies.”
Companionship
Song 3:1, “On my bed night after night I sought him whom my soul
loves…”
Physical Pleasure
Song 1:2, “May he kiss me with the kisses of his mouth! For your love
is better than wine.”

Neigyl R. Noval

October 7, 2010 at 11:39 pm | #352

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urak :
Quote me a verse in the Bible that explicitly say or imply that using
contraceptives or preventing the production of eggs and preventing the
passage of sperm to the womb is a form of abortion!
Hundreds of years ago Galileo was subjected to inquisition (or
imprisonment) by the roman catholic church because he insisted that
the world is round and the planets moves around the sun. The church
insisted the opposite.

Here:

http://www.maryourmother.net/Life.html

That is the reason why the Church is against the RH bill. Life begins at
conception and it is there in the Bible. So during the time when the sperm cell
and the egg cell meets, life is now formed! However, the natural tendency of
the flow of sperm cell to the egg cell is being distorted by the contraceptives.
That is the main reason why contraceptives is considered as a MURDER to
 the new-born life. Again, it is because life begins at conception and not when
the fetus is made visible to the womb.

47.

urak

October 5, 2010 at 7:00 am | #353

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Ignorance promotes stupidity!

vanillae

October 5, 2010 at 4:14 pm | #354

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I agree.

48.

jlocute

October 5, 2010 at 10:05 am | #355

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It is told by the Blessed Mother in her apparitions, that “sins of the flesh” is the most
reason why many people goes to hell. Many abuse their sexuality today;
contraceptives, masturbation, infidelity with their partner, premarital sex and” live-in
and sex” without marriage. What seems to be good or fine for human maybe a sin to
God in his infinite goodness. In the Bible, Jesus told us that anyone who looks at a
woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. All of these are
sin which we think are normal during this time.

Don’t be fooled by Satan. We people, should always pray and ask for divine
discernment and wisdom to know what is good and evil. How often do we pray, 5
mins in morning and 5 mins in evening? 10 minutes out of 24 hours God gave you?
 Do you think its worth for Him. We should always pray to God… pray pray and pray
so that we will not fall against the snares and temptations of the evil. Satan tends to
confuse us, by mixing good with bad, truths with lies and he hides so that we may not
know.

49.

Czar Emmanuel Alvarez

October 5, 2010 at 11:03 am | #356

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A CATHOLIC REACTION TO HOUSE BILL # 5043

(“Reproductive Health and Population Development Act of 2008”
or more popularly known as the “RH Bill”)

The heat is on again as the Mass Media (television networks, radio stations and
newspapers in particular) highlight the conflicting stands of those who support and
those who are against the approval and signing into law of House Bill # 5043 – the
“Reproductive Health and Population Development Act of 2008” (or simply the “RH
Bill”). Among those who belong to the second group are the members of the Catholic
Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), proponents of the Catholic Church,
and devout Catholics. But what is it exactly that triggers their opposition? What
provisions present in the proposed House Bill do they find unacceptable?

Let us begin with some important clarifications. First, the proposed House Bill is not
imposed on every Filipino citizen as a mandatory practice to be put into practice. This
means that it simply legalizes the use of certain reproductive methods for those who
would want to avail of them and sanctions those health care service providers who
would refuse to extend the necessary means or offer the corresponding services to
those who would ask for them (cfr. RH Section 21). The Bill in no way forces anyone,
for example, to use artificial contraceptives when he or she does not want to. The RH
Bill in many places respects freedom of choice and of conscience of single
individuals. For example, in Section 3.g it states: “the number and spacing of children
are left to the sound judgment of parents and couples based on their personal
conviction and religious beliefs”. In Section 21.a.5 (concerning prohibited acts for
health care service providers) we read that they are not allowed to “refuse to extend
reproductive health care services and information on account of the patient’s civil
status, gender or sexual orientation, age, religion, personal circumstances, and nature
of work, provided that all conscientious objections of health care service providers
based on religious grounds shall be respected …”

Second, although the hub of the heated debates nowadays focus more on the question
of the use of different methods – either natural or artificial (or “modern”, as the RH
prefers to call such methods: cfr. Sections 3.a; 11; 12.f) – to prevent “unwanted,
unplanned and mistimed pregnancies” (Section 5.k and 12.f) or “reduce incidence of
teenage pregnancies” (Section 4.r), the proposed Bill actually covers many other
questions directly and indirectly related to health, like gender equality (Sections 2.c;
3.i; 4.e), infant mortality and maternal death (Sections 4.r; 4.m), violence against
women (Section 4.g.7), women empowerment (Section 2.c), discrimination against
women (Section 17), certain gynecological conditions (Section 4.g.9), etc. Here lies
one of the difficulties in approving or signing the proposed Bill in toto (although
Section 25 states that “if any part, section or provision of this Act is held invalid or
unconstitutional, other provisions not affected thereby shall remain in full force and
effect”). The difficulty at this point concerns not only the validity or the invalidity or
the constitutionality or not of some provisions or parts of the proposed Bill, but what
one’s conscience or religious conviction dictates. Will a legislator approve a House
Bill even when a part of it is against the dictates of his conscience or the religious
convictions of enlightened (not ignorant) Catholics?

Third, although some provisions of the Bill are well acceptable to the Catholic Church
insofar as they are in accord or, at least, do not violate her teachings about faith and
morals (like the Philippine government’s stand against abortion: cfr. Sections 3.m and
5.f.5), its proposals concerning the use of “modern” methods of family planning
openly go against the Church’s magisterium, for example, where it speaks of
“hospital-based” family planning techniques like tubal ligation, vasectomy and IUD
(intrauterine device) insertion (Section 5.i) or of contraceptives (Section 10). The
Catholic Church’s stand on the use of artificial methods has been clearly defined (cfr.
Catechism of the Catholic Church or CCC § 2370). She also believes that states or
governments are not authorized to propose or implement means contrary to the natural
law (CCC § 2372) and remains steadfast in her position that the best way through
which states or governments can intervene to orient the demography of the population
is by means of objective and respectful information or education (CCC § 2372).

Both the proposed House Bill and the Catholic Church agree on many points, like on
the importance of sexual education and value formation (RH Section 12), on forming
attitudes and beliefs about sex (Sections 4.h; 12.c), on responsible sexuality (Section
12.i), on the upliftment of the quality of life of the people, particularly the poor, the
needy and the marginalized (Section 3.j), on gender equality and reduction of
inequality between the sexes (Sections 4.f; 4.h; 4.p), on the proscription of abortion
(Sections 3.m; 5.f.5; 12.d), and so forth – all geared towards the improvement of the
quality of life of the people, particularly through “reduction of inequality and
eradication of widespread poverty” (Section 4.p) and providing health services. But
they clearly disagree on some concrete steps to be taken to reach their common goal.

Finally, it has become a popular outcry, even on the part of some “modernist”
Catholics, to demand for a separation between the Church and the State, to the effect
that – they claim – the former should not interfere with the affairs of the latter. Is this
the result of a well thought-out conviction or simply an outcry of convenience? It is
true that there is such a thing as separation of ecclesiastical and government civil
powers, but we must remember that both Church and State deal and are concerned
with the well-being of one and the same subject: the human person. And where his
fundamental rights or his dignity are threatened by any worldly power, authority,
organization, group, etc., by one means or another, both Church and State must
intervene and, if necessary, enter into a dialogue. Both have the right to voice out their
stand and principles although they must remain, as much as possible, each one within
its own realm or area of competence. Unfortunately, since both are concerned with
one and the same subject, conflicts and tensions inevitably arise, for we really cannot
separate man’s material and spiritual needs one from the other. One always has a
repercussion on the other for we are neither pure spirits nor physical bodies. The
Catholic Church is expressing her stand on the present issue, which goes well beyond
the question of physical or material health care. It rather touches on fundamental
human rights, on religious convictions, and conscience. Each Filipino citizen has,
indeed, the right to take a stand on the proposed House Bill # 5043, irrespective of
their faith or religious affiliation (if one has any). Each man has the right to voice his
opinion and that is precisely what the proponents of the Catholic Church are doing,
and no one has the right to silence others when these do not agree with what he or she
personally believes. The ultimate battle ground is one’s own conscience, but let it be a
well-formed and enlightened one, understanding the stands of both the Church and the
State, the reasons behind their oftentimes conflicting positions, and – as Catholics –
taking into consideration what the Church has to say about questions of faith and
morals. Let decisions be taken not just on the ground of convenience and purely
personal likes and dislikes, but on the basis of solid convictions and profound
principles.

Wilberg

October 6, 2010 at 10:04 pm | #357

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You are missing something here.

You said: “…the proposed House Bill is not imposed on every Filipino citizen
as a mandatory practice to be put into practice.”

I say: Contraception is not mandatory and it will not be. That’s off the
question. It’s not even worth a mention. What you have missed is that tax is
mandatory and this bill will be getting our tax money to buy contraceptives. In
that sense, are we not obliged to do things that are against our will?

You said: “…it simply legalizes the use of certain reproductive methods for
those who would want to avail of them and sanctions those health care service
providers who would refuse to extend the necessary means or offer the
corresponding services to those who would ask for them (cfr. RH Section
21).”

I say: First of, we are talking about contraceptive methods, not reproductive
methods. Second, the bill does not intend to legalize the use of contraceptives;
it is not illegal in the first place. What it wants is to allocate a budget for
contraceptive drugs, devices, and services. The bill is all about budgets, by the
way. Third, section 21 does not concern only the health care providers but
anyone who will go against the intentions of the bill. When they say anyone,
they mean anyone.

You said: “The RH Bill in many places respects freedom of choice and of
conscience of single individuals.”

I say: You are implying that the bill respects freedom of choice and of
conscience in some aspects but not in every aspect, and that you are okay with
it. So, disrespect is sometimes acceptable? Let me inform you that the
proponents of this bill does not know the meaning of respect (as you should
have noticed), so they don’t know how to show it in any way. When they
drafted the proposal, what they have in mind is money and not respect.

You said: “…the number and spacing of children are left to the sound
judgment of parents and couples based on their personal conviction and
religious beliefs.”

I say: The bill explicitly said that, “In the elementary level, reproductive health
education shall focus, among others, on values formation,” and that
“Reproductive Health Education curriculum shall cover (c.) Attitudes, beliefs
and values on sexual development, sexual behavior and sexual health.” Values
education and religious beliefs go hand in hand. You cannot accept both
“contraceptive values” from the school and Catholic morality from the Church
and from the parents. Your quote and my quote both came from the same
document which hypocritically contradicts itself and deliberately deceives the
reader.

You have quoted: “…provided that all conscientious objections of health care
service providers based on religious grounds shall be respected.”

I quote: “Provided, further, That the conscientious objector shall immediately

refer the person seeking such care and services to another health care service
provider…” If you really understand what you are reading, you will see the
obvious contradiction of these two adjacent clauses. If you don’t want to cheat
because you believe that it is wrong, would you be blameless if you ask
somebody else to do it in your stead? Did you say the bill respects conscience?

The bill, as a whole, is nonsense. It tries to disguise its wickedness through the
help of some acceptable proposals, which in reality are unnecessary ones.
Basically, the proposal can be divided into two parts: evil ideas that must not
be passed as a law, and benign ideas (which they hypocritically proposed) that
should not be mixed with this bill. The strategy is cunning but unfortunately
(or fortunately), the intent is very obvious.


 wawam

October 6, 2010 at 10:27 pm | #358

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the catholic church disrespects the filipino people when it imposes its
beliefs on the whole nation when in fact not all filipinos are catholics.
not only that, even catholics overwhelmingly support RH Bill 5043.

50.

wawam

October 5, 2010 at 11:05 am | #359

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urak :

Quote me a verse in the Bible that explicitly say or imply that using
contraceptives or preventing the production of eggs and preventing the
passage of sperm to the womb is a form of abortion!

Hundreds of years ago Galileo was subjected to inquisition (or imprisonment)

by the roman catholic church because he insisted that the world is round and
the planets moves around the sun. The church insisted the opposite.

the basis for the church’s stand on birth control is the encyclical Humanae Vitae, click
here:

http://2010presidentiables.wordpress.com/2010/10/05/humanae-vitae-encyclical-the-
catholic-churchs-basis-for-its-stand-on-birth-control/

jlocute

October 5, 2010 at 11:46 am | #360

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Thanks wawam. Urak please read that, so that we may know how evil we are
today and opposing God.


urak

October 5, 2010 at 1:04 pm | #361

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It what sense does a family planning program that promotes the use of
condoms and pills makes us evil? this is a family planning program
meaning it is intended for married couples only.

vanillae

October 5, 2010 at 8:03 pm | #362

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“this is a family planning program meaning it is intended for

married couples only.”

Really?

Neigyl R. Noval

October 7, 2010 at 11:43 pm | #363

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urak :
It what sense does a family planning program that
promotes the use of condoms and pills makes us evil?
this is a family planning program meaning it is intended
for married couples only.

Read the bill thoroughly so you may understand. Also, read my

post #66 (plus minus) so you may be aware of my scrutiny.
 It makes us evil because it encourages EVERYONE to use this.
Why? Contraceptives will become an Essential Medicine. And
many more reasons why.

urak

October 5, 2010 at 12:59 pm | #364

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I said biblical text. Do not give me quotations from popes and other Roman
catholic personalities. Because they could be wrong with their interpretations
or might be based on traditions which are not biblical.

Biblical passage please!

jlocute

October 5, 2010 at 1:58 pm | #365

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I told you that not are all in the Bible, how come the Bible tell you on
use of condoms and contraceptives when these things doesn’t exist
during that time?
Don’t justify the unevilness of this bill by asking verse from the Bible.
Satan seduces many people that if they cannot find any Bible quotes
for things, then they are free to do it?
Please tell me, where in the Bible can you find the word “Bible” itself?
hmmm..
Now tell me, are all written in the Bible???

urak

October 5, 2010 at 3:32 pm | #366

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Well, if its not in the bible how will you know that its the truth?
You see, the problem is if you start wondering outside the bible
there will be no common ground cause you will insert tradition
and tradition is not all the time correct. When Jesus was
incarnated in human form one of His purpose is to show the
right way of living for us because our traditions is so mess up.
In the new testament, you can often read Jesus rebuking the
religious leaders at that time because of their wrong/wicked
traditions.

REad the bible my friend so that you will be enligten.

jlocute

October 5, 2010 at 3:50 pm | #367

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Yes you are correct. Those were the Jews during that
time. Observe that in the Bible there are two kinds of
religious tradition — human and divine. Observe that
when Christ accused the Pharisees He was referring to
“precepts of men” (Mark 7:7), to their human traditions.
Christ wanted divine tradition preserved and honored
because He made it part and parcel of the Christian
deposit of faith — as the Apostle Paul affirmed: “Stand
fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned,
whether by word, or by our epistle.” (2 Thess. 2:14.
Also see 2 Thess. 3:6). This divine tradition to which
Paul refers — this revealed truth which was handed
down by word rather than by letter — is the tradition
upon which, along with Sacred Scripture, the Catholic
Church bases her tenets of faith — as the primitive
Christian Fathers affirmed. Wrote St. Augustine: “These
traditions of the Christian name, therefore, so numerous,
so powerful, and most dear, justly keep a believing man
in the Catholic Church.” The New Testament itself is a
product of Christian tradition. Nowhere in the New
Testament is there any mention of a New Testament.


 vanillae

October 5, 2010 at 8:15 pm | #368

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What made you believe that the truth is contained in the

Bible in the first place? Did the Book fell from heaven
directly to your lap? Isn’t it your tradition that taught
you about the Bible? If you don’t have a tradition (a
teaching that is passed from generation to generation),
you must have seen Jesus yourself. So, again, the first
question is where did the Bible take its credentials? I am
not questioning the credibility of the Bible, I am
questioning your basic reasons for believing that the
Bible contains the truth, and the that it contains
everything that is true.

Second question is, where in the Bible did you read that
the true Church will die or that for more than 1000
years, true Christians will disappear. Is it even possible?

urak

October 5, 2010 at 3:54 pm | #369

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That is why I included the word imply. Not directly stating the
word condom or contraception but at least you can show me a
verse/passage that clearly supports your claim against the use
of such devices.

vanillae

October 5, 2010 at 8:25 pm | #370

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 Where does the sperm end after a condomized
intercourse? Does it take its natural course as designed
by its architect? Or it dies out inside the condom which
was thrown in a garbage bin?

Does the name Onan ring a bell? Which one do you

think is more insulting to God: the spilled male seeds on
the soil, or the semen that was thrown as a trash?

51.

karl

October 5, 2010 at 12:37 pm | #371

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let us all be against RH-Bill, otherwise sex will be everywhere! or to make it

hurtfully, our children will be easily prone to sex to anyone they will like. be it their
friends or once again to anyone whom they want to have sex. . .

to P-noy, please do more on fighting corruption, not with this blasphemous RH-Bill.

wawam

October 5, 2010 at 2:17 pm | #372

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condoms, pills and IUDs have been in the philippines and have been soldd for
decades – do you see sex everywhere now?

vanillae

October 5, 2010 at 8:36 pm | #373

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 Do you not?

Will you not call sexual acts being performed by elementary and high
school students “sex everywhere”?

Everywhere does not necessarily mean every corner, every bench,

every storefront, or every place you look at. You already know that, I
believe I don’t have to explain — I am reminding you, though.

Second truth that you have missed is that contraceptives are still taboo
in the country. You won’t see 5 out of 10 teenagers casually buying
condoms or pills just like buying a candy; less likely that you can
expect them to have sex just anywhere publicly.

52.

wawam

October 5, 2010 at 2:11 pm | #374

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jlocute :

Thanks wawam. Urak please read that, so that we may know how evil we are
today and opposing God.

humanae vitae is a very controversial encyclical. many catholic theologians have

attacked the encyclical. most scholars also view humanae vitae is not being infallible
and therefore catholics may not follow its teachings. the philippine catholic church is
in very shaky grounds in using this as the basis for their stand on birth control.

this encyclical has been discussed extensively in this blog.

vanillae

October 5, 2010 at 8:53 pm | #375

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The Catholic Church is 2000 years old; the Church in the Philippines is 488
years old, more or less. It does not base its teaching on sexual morality solely
 on Humanae Vitae as if sex is a modern invention. It just happened that the
encyclical letter particularly and intentionally addresses contraceptive
mentality. The Church is already speaking against contraception since almost
two millenniums ago. And it’s not surprising, because these so-called modern
methods are not really modern as they claim it to be. They may even be older
than Christianity.

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wawam

October 5, 2010 at 2:14 pm | #376

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urak :

I said biblical text. Do not give me quotations from popes and other Roman
catholic personalities. Because they could be wrong with their interpretations
or might be based on traditions which are not biblical.

Biblical passage please!

i am not debating with you. i am merely stating a fact – that humane vitae is the basis
for the catholic church’s stand on birth control.

urak

October 5, 2010 at 3:40 pm | #377

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Well then, your “human vitae” is based only on the “opinion” of the pope. The
ultimate basis for morality is God’s written words not the pope’s word. You
see the pope is just a human being who can commit mistakes. If you research
the lives of all previous popes, you will see many of them committed
fornications, some even have children – and this is FACTUAL.


jlocute

October 5, 2010 at 3:56 pm | #378

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The doctrine of Papal Infallibility does not mean the Pope is always
right in all his personal teachings. Catholics are quite aware that,
despite his great learning, the Pope is very much a human being and
therefore liable to commit human error. On some subjects, like sports
and manufacturing, his judgment is liable to be very faulty. The
doctrine simply means that the Pope is divinely protected from error
when, acting in his official capacity as chief shepherd of the Catholic
fold, he promulgates a decision which is binding on the conscience of
all Catholics throughout the world. In other words, his infallibility is
limited to his specialty–the Faith of Jesus Christ.

In order for the Pope to be infallible on a particular statement,

however, four conditions must apply: 1) he must be speaking ex
cathedra . . . that is, “from the Chair” of Peter, or in other words,
officially, as head of the entire Church; 2) the decision must be for the
whole Church; 3) it must be on a matter of faith or morals; 4) the Pope
must have the intention of making a final decision on a teaching of
faith or morals, so that it is to be held by all the faithful. It must be
interpretive, not originative; the Pope has no authority to originate new
doctrine. He is not the author of revelation — only its guardian and
expounder. He has no power to distort a single word of Scripture, or
change one iota of divine tradition. His infallibility is limited strictly to
the province of doctrinal interpretation, and it is used quite rarely. It is
used in order to clarify, to “define,” some point of the ancient Christian
tradition. It is the infallibility of which Christ spoke when He said to
Peter, the first Pope: “I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of
heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound
also in heaven.” (Matt. 16:19). Certainly Christ would not have
admonished His followers to “hear the church” (Matt. 18:17) without
somehow making certain that what they heard was the truth — without
somehow making the teaching magisterium of His Church infallible.

urak

October 5, 2010 at 7:51 pm | #379

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 The only source of moral guidance is the word of God – the
bible. Good-luck to your traditions and man made
“procedures”.

vanillae

October 5, 2010 at 9:18 pm | #380

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That’s an outright judgmentalism. First of, infallibility and

impeccability are two different things. You are answering your wrong
argument. Nobody says that a pope cannot commit mistakes. In fact,
Peter denied Jesus three times, and he did even swear publicly. Does it
take away his being apostle and his knowledge of the unchanging
truth?

Actually, the discussion here is already far off the track, and it is
because of the consistent attempt to discredit the Catholic Church,
while the real issue is objective morality — regardless of whether the
Church taught it or not. Good deeds are still good even without the
Church’s approval; evil will always be evil even without the Church’s
verdict. The Church does not decide which is good; she teaches it.

urak

October 7, 2010 at 10:08 am | #381

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Yes people commit mistakes that is why we need to go back or

based our morals on the bible the Word of God not on any
documents written by popes. Popes commit mistakes (Some are
even responsible for the death and torture of millions
(inquisition), some committed fornications and produce
children, e.g., Pope John X, Pope John XII, Pope John XII and
many more) just as peter denied Jesus 3 times.

o
 urak

October 7, 2010 at 9:46 am | #382

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So your basis is floating in the air – no foundation or what so ever.

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jlocute

October 5, 2010 at 2:17 pm | #383

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I just read this beautiful message from other blog:

Ang posisyon ng simbahan ukol sa usaping ito ay tama at nararapat, maaring hindi
katanggap tanggap sa marami at hindi praktikal.
Kung sasangayon ang simbahan dito, parang sinabi ng simbahan na OK na pagbigyan
ang SEXUAL urges kailangan lang walang consequence.
Ang mensahe ng prinsipyong ito ay maaring ipahayag sa ganitong paraan. Dahil ang
natural na consequence ng sex ay ang posibilidad na magkaanak, maaring lunasan ito
basta gumamit ng condom o ibang method. Pero malinaw na ang layunin ay
PAGBIGYAN ANG SEXUAL URGES na walang consequence. Kung ito ang
prinsipyo na gustong ipalulun sa simbahan ng karamihan at kung lulunukin ito ng
simbahan dahil sa pressure ng “karamihan” wala nang prinsipyo ang simbahan na
sasandalan para komontra sa naglipanang “night spots”, women for hire, at
promiscuity. Dahil ang pagsang ayon dito ay nangangahulugan ng pagsangayon sa
pagbibigay sa makamundong pagnananasa basta walang consequence(pagbubuntis).
Di na rin dapat kontrahin ang pakikipag sex kung kanikanino dahil pagbibigay daan
lamang ito sa “pangangailangan ng katawan” basta gumamit lamang ng condom.
At kung ganitong prinsipyo ang susundin, ok lang ba gumawa ng bagay na
makapagpapasaya sa iyo basta walang consequence. Pwede na ba mang rape basta i-
drug muna yung babae para walang discomfort sa kanya, walang maalala kung gising
yung biktimang babae, dapat siguruhing maliligayahan din siya at importante mag
condom para di magbuntis at wag pahuhuli para di makulong. Kung
magnanakaw(para masaya) ka, dapat wag kang pahuhuli para di ka makulong
(consequence). O kaya i legalize na lang ang pagnanakaw?
Ano kaya ang komunidad na kagigisnan natin kung ganitong prinsipyo ang paiiralin?

55.
wawam

October 5, 2010 at 2:28 pm | #384

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jlocute :

Czar Emmanuel Alvarez :

A CATHOLIC REACTION TO HOUSE BILL # 5043

(“Reproductive Health and Population Development Act of 2008”
or more popularly known as the “RH Bill”)

The Catholic Church is expressing her stand on the present issue,

which goes well beyond the question of physical or material health
care. It rather touches on fundamental human rights, on religious
convictions, and conscience. Each Filipino citizen has, indeed, the
right to take a stand on the proposed House Bill # 5043, irrespective of
their faith or religious affiliation (if one has any). Each man has the
right to voice his opinion and that is precisely what the proponents of
the Catholic Church are doing, and no one has the right to silence
others when these do not agree with what he or she personally
believes. The ultimate battle ground is one’s own conscience, but let it
be a well-formed and enlightened one, understanding the stands of
both the Church and the State, the reasons behind their oftentimes
conflicting positions, and – as Catholics – taking into consideration
what the Church has to say about questions of faith and morals. Let
decisions be taken not just on the ground of convenience and purely
personal likes and dislikes, but on the basis of solid convictions and
profound principles.

the church seeks to bully the state into taking it’s position and nothing else. the
church seeks to bully the state into promoting only traditional methods of
contraception and deprive the citizenry knowledge and support on modern
methods of contraception. the church is for putting blinders on the citizens
preventing them from making an informed choice.

vanillae

October 5, 2010 at 9:36 pm | #385

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Bully? For what reason? And how will it be possible for the State to be
bullied?

Look on the other side, instead. Whose conscience are being violated by this
bill? Isn’t it the Catholic conscience. Take note, it “violates” the Catholic
conscience. Who did you say is being bullied? Now, whose taxes are they
planning to use to violate Catholic conscience? Non-Catholics’ taxes? I
believe I don’t have to mention that majority of Filipinos are Catholics. So, we
are working hard to give the State a large sum of money for it to be able to
violate our conscience. Who again is the bully? Last question, did the
proponents of the bill followed the Constitution regarding making policies that
affects families? A big NO. Did they ask Catholic family
associations/organizations if they agree on the proposal? No. They do the
opposite, instead. So, whose will, rights, dignity, and freedom are they
attacking? Non-Catholics’? Let me here the words again, who is bullying
who?

wawam

October 6, 2010 at 9:58 pm | #386

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bully tactic #1 : threaten aquino with excommunication even though

the bishop knew very well there is no basis for it.

bully tactic #2: play the civil disobedience card reminding aquino of
what happened during the People Power Revolution. the only problem
with this bully tactic is that a high 71% of catholics support RH Bill
5043.


Wilberg

October 6, 2010 at 10:50 pm | #387

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“bully tactic #1 : threaten aquino with excommunication even

though the bishop knew very well there is no basis for it.”

According to the teaching of the Church where the president

belongs, “Human life must be respected and protected
absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first
moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as
having the rights of a person – among which is the inviolable
right of every innocent being to life.” Even the abortion and
contraceptive industries know very well that the Pill, IUD, and
other so-called contraceptives can kill a zygote. These people
can change and manipulate medical definitions but the truth
remains that at the moment where the spermatozoon penetrates
the ovum (fertilization), a human being is conceived, and to
create an environment, through these killing agents, that is
hostile to the human zygote is nothing less than an abortion. It
is not the CBCP who wrote that, “Formal cooperation in an
 abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the
canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against
human life.”

“bully tactic #2: play the civil disobedience card reminding

aquino of what happened during the People Power Revolution.”

I will ask once again, how will it be possible for the State to be
bullied? Can’t it not stand for what it believes is right?
Furthermore, civil disobedience in this case is a responsibility
of all true Catholics. The bishops and the faithful are saying
these words with Peter and the other apostles: “We must obey
God rather than men!”

Now, how about the people who the bill is really trying to
bully? They just don’t matter?

Sir

October 7, 2010 at 8:08 am | #388

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Please read the news.

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/202368/cbcp-chief-no-threat-of-
excommunication-vs-aquino

pakibasa nalang yung

Disclaimer ni Bishop Nereo Odchimar, D.D., CBCP President
nung september 30 pa to na statement

wawam

October 7, 2010 at 11:03 am | #389

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yes of course the bishop denied it a day after he said it.

he denied it as he knew his statement at the time he
made it was incorrect and had no basis. he made that
 statement even though he knew it was incorrect
precisely to threaten and bully aquino.

Wilberg

October 7, 2010 at 2:34 pm | #390

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“yes of course the bishop denied it a day after he

said it.”

Who denied what?

This is part of the interview:

Radyo Veritas: “Pag nag-step in na po si Pres.

Aquino ng pamimigay ng contraceptives,
automatic po bang ex-communicated na siya ng
Catholic Church?

CBCP President: “We have to look into it. We

have to exhaust all means to come to a point of
confrontation.”

Radyo Veritas: “Possibility po yun, Bishop?”

CBCP President: “It can be a possibility but I do

not say na it is a proximate possibility.”

Did the bishop threaten anyone here? Does he

need to deny anything? Did he? The bishop was
even reluctant to talk about excommunication.
He is answering an interview question and not
doing a press release.

Which of the actual statements has attempted to

bully the president?

56.

Satan
 October 5, 2010 at 3:20 pm | #391

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The most effective method is abstinence, which the Church teaches consistently even
before we were born. If you do not want to have children, don’t have sex. Difficult?
That’s because you believe that sex is an ESSENTIAL need like food and water. But
the truth is, you can live a long life without having sex. Sex, though is needed by
humanity for the continuity of its survival.

57.

jlocute

October 6, 2010 at 10:28 am | #392

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Read Genesis 38. Here’s some of its content:

“Then Judah said to Onan, “Lie with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her
as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the
offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother’s wife, he spilled his
semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did
was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so he put him to death also. ”

What does it mean, Onan simply spilled his semen on the ground not to produce
offspring. Then, it is already wicked in the eyes of the Lord. Withdrawal,
masturbation is a sin already so as the same as contraception. You counter God’s
purpose of sex!

58.

pututuy

October 6, 2010 at 10:30 am | #393

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@ kung sino ka man

hindi porke 5 pharagraph na english tungkol sa abortion ang kayang mong isulat eh
tama ka na, mayaman ka kasi nakapagaral ka, nakakapagpost sa mga blog at articles
sa net ng ingles, pero paano naman yung mga kababayan natin na ni kuryente at tubig
wala? problema pa pagkain sa sangkatutak na anak, naiintindihan mo ba sila? ang
 mga paring katoliko may problema ba sila sa pera? madami ba silang anak? o
naranasan na ba nila makipag sex? kontrang kontra sa gobyerno, pero sila mismo
hindi naiintindihan ang mga kababayan natin na pahirapan na kumain ng isang beses
isang araw, anu bang alam nila sa isang maganak na may limang myembro na
nagrrugby para malimutan lang ang kanilang gutom, nakakatakot sila lapitan pero pag
iyong pinagmasdan eh wala lang sila pambili ng makakain na sapat sa laki ng pamilya
nila, kaya bang pigilan to ng simbahang katoliko? kapag ba sinermonan nila ang mga
kababayan natin eh mabubusog na sila? anung magagawa mo bilang isang
mamamayan? lumapit at bigyan ng limos ang mga taong ito? kaya mo ba sila
payamanin sa halagang bente pesos na binigay mo? hindi diba? ito ang panahon para
ipaubaya natin ang ating mga kababayan at bawat isa sa gobyerno, this is the time
para tanggapin natin na ang relihiyon ay di sagot sa kahirapan at patuloy ng pagdami
ng populasyon, be realistic! ang pinakamabuti mong gawin ay IPAGDASAL ANG
BANSANG PILIPINAS sa Panginoon na nawa ay gabayan ang mga namumuno sa
ating gobyerno. HUWAG natin iasa sa mga pari at kung sinumang obispo na
kumokontra, tao lang sila, nagkakamali gaya ng gobyerno ng Pilipinas

Sir

October 6, 2010 at 5:25 pm | #394

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@pututuy
Are you suggesting that the children, lined up along the road inhaling who-
knows-what, were better off not being brought into this world? Spare them the
cruelty? Are there no other means to address this poverty without resorting to
contraception?

Ang RH bill ay punong punong ng magagandang salita tulad ng “Freedom of

informed choice”, “Protection and promotion of gender equality”, and etc…
and I am pretty sure that the church is not against these. Ngunit may mga di
katangi-tanging bahagi na nakatago sa RH bill na ito.

Sigurado akong kaya mo rin mag back-read since nakapag post ka naman.
Paki search ang mga ito na i-pinost ni “Neigyl R. Noval”. Dun mo makikita
ang ilang dikanais-nais na pilit itinatago sa mahalimuyak na salita.

Tama ka, ang tao ay nagkakamali. Kaya kelangan nga nating ipagdasal di
lamang ang Pilipinas kundi ang lahat ng mga PAMILYA sa buong mundo na
laging punteryang sirain ng demonyo.

59.
papampam

October 6, 2010 at 11:57 am | #395

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I would like to share the following conversation. I think it is worth sharing.

(From a friend’s Facebook status): “RH Bill should not be passed because it will be a
useless law. Why? Coz it
will only be use as a corruption tool for the gov’t officials. But if
the DOH needs “beating” just to make an action, RH Bill should be made
into law. Shame on them..”

COMMENT: “there is no such thing as useless law, just useless law enforcers.”

REPLY: “hmm..it will be a useless law kasi the subject itself doesn’t need a law.
Kahit ang DOH, kyang magpalabas ng kahit isang Memorandum to enforce the same
even without a law. May mga National Issue kasi na hindi mo na kailangan ng batas
to enforce it. Ang ikinakaba ko dito ay bka gawin itong tool ng mga corrupt officials
to cover up their bad deeds..”
“bigyan kita ng example ng useless law- the anti-smoking law enforce to
PUV(jeepneys, fx, bus, etc) Why useless?? pinagbbwal nila ang paninigarilyo sa loob
ng jeep, but the amount of smoke from other vehicles caused greater harm than the
smoke of the cigarette itself. Totally useless..”

COMMENT: “it’s not useless kung EFFECTIVE ang law enforcers. kaya nga may
anti-smoke belching campaign e, para HINDI useless ang anti-smoking law. nasa
pagpapatupad lang yan. my point is, kung ang mga tao ay marunong sumunod at
magpasunod, ang mga batas ay hindi maisasapagwalang bahala.”

REPLY: “hmm..generally, ang pagiging effective ng batas ay hndi dpt iasa lng sa mga
“law enforcements”, kundi dpt ding ipagkatiwla sa pagiging disiplinado ng mga tao.
On the other hand, RH bill is a preventive law, and the nature of RH bill is the
…enforcement of moral responsibility of the public to the state. At pg cnbi mong
moral responsibility, gawin man ng isang tao un o hndi, wlang makukulong or wlang
mggwa ang gov’t kng hndi man niya gwn un. Now, my main point is that, why do u
need to pass a law that concerns moral responsibility, that in the future, will be useless
at tanging gov’t officials lng ang nakikinabang.”

COMMENT: “it’s not all about moral responsibility of the public to state BUT ALSO
the responsibility of the state to the public. ilan sa kasama sa RH bill ang pagbibigay
ng sapat na kaalaman at serbisyo lalo na sa mahihirap, karagdagang sakop ng
insurance, karagdagang mga midwives at OB sa mga GHU, at iba pa. at nakalagay din
dun na ang hindi pagbigay ng tamang serbisyo sa publiko ng mga nasa kinauukulan
ay may penalty. therefore, may pakinabang ang publiko dito lalo na ang mahihirap.
hindi ito magiging useless kung ipapatupad nang tama.”
COMMENT2: “why would it be useless? e sa tingin mo ba if people especially those
who are uneducated-unlike law enforcers-would be EDUCATED would that be
useless? besides the point, tulad nga ng sinabi mo “hindi dapat iasa lang sa law
enforcements”, so… why not implement it para lahat tayo may fair share of
responsibilities. kung isa kang law enforcer, and even you alone is not abiding by the
law, do you think may susunod pa sayo? (i am pertaining to those who are smoking
inside public transportation vehicles thing), ang point nila is not to prevent the
pollution but DECREASE it.”

REPLY: “Ok mates, may main point here is that, all the things that ***** said in her
comment regarding the content of RH Bill, do you think kailangan pa ng batas niyan
para lang ma-implement yan?? I don’t think so! Kahit isang Memorandum, kayang
…iimplement ng DOH yan without supporting laws and without the threat of
violating any other laws. Now, the only think that makes this law very interesting is
that, more public officials will use this a “corruption tool” for their bad deeds. That is
why I made a conclusion that it is a useless law. Sana nakuha niyo ang point ko..”
“if we’re going to look at the general thinking of implementation of law, RH Bill is
very very easy to implement. The word “useless” that I have use is not about its
implementation in general but what it will be in the future. Yes, RH …bill will be a
useless law, and I stand to it. Why? BECAUSE EVEN WITHOUT THIS LAW, all its
content can be implemented by the gov’t. It is also useless for me, because it can be,as
I always saying, a tool for corruption in the future. And I do not care about its
implementation or whatever. Hope you get it right.”

COMMENT: “kung memorandum lang ang gagawin, mas prone sa corruption kasi
within DOH lang yung written note, mas madaling hindi sundin. unlike kung
isasabatas, required magpasa ng annual report ang DOH sa presidente. at kung
isasabatas, tiyak na may penalty ang kinauukulang hindi susunod. I was just
wondering, in what way magagamit ito bilang corruption tool kung isasabatas? can
you give examples? at anong other laws ang maaari nitong i-violate, if ever?”

REPLY: “In terms of violating law, wla akung cnsbing ganun. Maaring may
overlapping in terms of other law, but wla siyang ma-vaviolate. Hmm..ito nman ang
tanong ko syo, how can you say na mas prone sa corruption ang pagpasa ng simple
memorandum if the capability and the budget involved are too small and easy to
track?? Do you have any proof? Actually, Government institution like DOH has the
ability to impose sanction if a certain hospital or person do not follow the same.
Dun nman sa sinasabi mong example, bbigyan kita pro the most basic lang. The DOH
will order a 50,000 boxes of condoms for the purpose of distribution as part of the RH
Bill(law). The total amount is 5 million pesos. But this one official facilitated the
trade and declared the amount as 7 million pesos. one million for that official, one
million for the other. And because it is law, malinis tingnan. Basic example lng yn but
I know, we know, na meron pang iba kalokohan na mangyayari.”

COMMENT: “may I quote your previous comment: ” …without the threat of

violating any other laws.” Anu yong mga “threat” na yon? At how can it (the
proposed law) be used as a corruption tool? I am asking this for me to understand
your point.”
 REPLY: “As I said, “without the threat of violating other laws.” Ibg sbhin, khit anung
gwin nila, wlang magsasanction sknlang batas.”

COMMENT: “Hindi ba possible na mangyari din ang sinabi mong example kung
gagawin itong isang memorandum?”

REPLY: “Well, the budget will be too small if it will go under a Memorandum
process. Small budget means easy to audit, easy to audit means easy to track, easier
tracking means easier process to determine if corruption happens. Unlike pag
malakihan, maraming hndi magsasalita dahil, nbyran na. Minsan kasi, pang-cover up
lng ang batas to make way for a bigger operation of corruption. Mukhang mgnda lng
sa paningin pro di maiiwsang may hidden agenda un.”

COMMENT: “if you think that is a good alternative, why not suggest it at PNoy’s
blog? It could help.”

REPLY: “ahh..wg na..aksaya lng ng oras. I’ll just leave it to his good judgment. ^^”

COMMENT: “some ideas are worth sharing. mas nanghihinayang ako sa buwis na
mawawala kesa sa oras na maaaksaya. ”

60.

jlocute

October 6, 2010 at 12:04 pm | #396

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Many has been saying that contraceptives is not a sin and is unbiblical. Well please
read this:

Genesis 38:8-10

“Then Judah said to Onan, “Lie with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her
as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the
offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother’s wife, he spilled his
semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did
was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so he put him to death also.”

Here, Onan spilled his semen on the ground not to produce offspring. And this was
considered sin in the eyes of the Lord. He was put to death at that time. This is the
same as masturbation, withdrawal and the use of contraceptives which are all sin. Sex
has its purpose; do not contradict the will of God on His purpose.

The Lord wants us to multiply. Contraceptives oppose the will of the God. Here are
some Bible verses:
Deuteronomy 6:3

“Listen closely, Israel, and be careful to obey. Then all will go well with you, and you
will have many children in the land flowing with milk and honey, just as the LORD,
the God of your ancestors, promised you”

Genesis 9:7

“And you, be fruitful and multiply, teem on the earth and multiply in it.”

Deuteronomy 8:1

“The whole commandment that I command you today you shall be careful to do, that
you may live and multiply, and go in and possess the land that the LORD swore to
give to your fathers.

People have been persuaded by the devil that they are entitled to have sex when they
choose, rejecting any unwanted life that may result. The enemy may tell you “God is
too demanding and unreasonable”. “If we distributed more condoms we would not
have disease or the need to abort babies”. “It’s God’s fault because God’s Church is
against the use of condoms”.
Sexual intercourse, by its nature and intent is potentially life giving act. This is God’s
version. The enemy’s version is that sex can be closed to give life and used for
physical pleasure only. Enemy’s version of sex is selfish, emotionally dangerous, and
bad for humanity. The enemy offers an answer to this too, and led souls to avoid
consequences by offering widespread contraception and abortion. Both men and
women are now told that sinful sexual behaviors are allowable and acceptable. God
intends that a man and woman enter a blessed union (through marriage) and then
share their sexuality with one another. The devil is mocking God because he depicts
God’s purpose. He is laughing because many led astray on this sin.

jur

October 6, 2010 at 11:17 pm | #397

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“Then Judah said to Onan, “Lie with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty
to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother.” But Onan
knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his
brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing
offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so he
put him to death also.”
If you read this passage understanding Jewish tradition.
You should learn that.

When a woman’s husband dies without giving her a male offspring,

She should lie with his brothers until she bears a male son.

Women were nothing without men in Jewish times.

God did not get angry because Onan spilled his semen, but because he was
selfish enough not to give his sister-in-law a child.

Sources:

Bible scholar

Wilberg

October 7, 2010 at 1:54 am | #398

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“God did not get angry because Onan spilled his semen, but because he
was selfish enough not to give his sister-in-law a child.”

Did I hear you say the word “selfish”? Isn’t this the same word that we
are trying to point out? But you are always missing the point.

Look here:
#53 – “It is also to be feared that the man, growing used to the
employment of anti-conceptive practices, may finally engage to
conjugal infidelity or may lose respect for the woman and, no longer
caring for her physical equilibrium, may come to the point of
considering her as a mere instrumental good of selfish achievement of
pleasure, and no longer as his respected and beloved companion.”

#68 – “Enemy’s version of sex is selfish, emotionally dangerous, and

bad for humanity. The enemy offers an answer to this too, and led
souls to avoid consequences by offering widespread contraception and
abortion.”

#106 – “You don’t want your wife or daughter or mother being used
by other people (multiple in number, if sex outside of marriage is not
wrong) for their selfish carnal pleasure.”
 All this time, you haven’t had a clue that what we’re really talking
about here is selfishness. You have even recourse to exegetes and the
point is already right in front your nose, but you still missed it.

ELITISTAKAUNO?

October 19, 2010 at 12:03 am | #399

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so parang ginawang panganakan lang ang babae? napakasama naman

pala ng diyos niu tsk tsk tsk

urak

October 7, 2010 at 2:03 pm | #400

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The key word is Deceit and disobedience….dont Just look at the word semen
without reading the story.

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bobokasiako

October 6, 2010 at 12:41 pm | #401

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nagagalit ang simbahan dahil wala na silang karagdagang pagkakitaan. isa na dito ang
baptism. maliit na kasi ang birth rate. tapos every birthday pa ng sanggol na yan
hanggang lumaki eh nagbibigay ng pera sa simbahan. malaki talaga lugi ng simbahan.
wala na silang pera para sa mga chix nila. ito kasing simbahan putak ng putak eh
hindi naman nagbabayad ng tax. gumagamit pa kayo ng daan sa gobyerno habang
nagprosesyon kayo. kapal ng mukha niyo!

o
 Sir

October 6, 2010 at 5:47 pm | #402

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Hinay hinay lang pare.

Dahil nagbabayad din ng tax ang mga Katoliko. (they are also part of the
Church)
At isa pa, ang simbahan ay di namimilit na humingi ng mga monetary
contributions.
In freedom ang pagbigay ng mga ito.

At ang pagbigay ng mga sakramento ay ang tanging ikinabubuhay ng ating

mga kaparian at ito ay serbisyo. Mali bang humingi ng onting kabayaran
katumbas ng ibinibigay mo na serbisyo? Madalas pa ngang donasyon ang
hinihinging kapalit eh, ibig sabihin na nasa iyo kung magkano ang gusto mo o
kaya mong ibayad.

at isa pa, paki basa ang mga komento ng ibang tao kung bakit ganun nalang
ang tayo ng simbahan tungkol sa RH bill. Ikaw tong putak ng putak, eh halos
off topic ka naman.

Wilberg

October 6, 2010 at 8:25 pm | #403

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Yan din sana isa-suggest ko, medyo nauna ka lang. Basahin muna
kung ano ang mga napag-usapan na para hindi naman mapahiya nang
konti. Bago magbigay ng komento, alamin muna ang kwento.
Suggestion lang naman.

62.

Prontiera

October 6, 2010 at 6:05 pm | #404

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tama tama! sa panahon ngayon kinakailangan ng maghinay-hinay sa panganganak

dahil lalo tayong maghihirap! over populated na tayo sa pilipinas.. at isa pa sasagutin
ba ng simbahan lahat ng problema na ating nararanasan… hindi sasabihin lang nila na
kasalanan ng gobyerno yan.. “not our problem” agad ang sasabihin………..

mars

October 10, 2010 at 11:31 am | #405

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malaking mali at pagkakamali ang iyong isinulat at isinabi dito prontiera…

hindi epekto ng sobrang populasyon ang kahirapan bagkos maling pag
babahagi-bahagi ng kayamanan at pagkakaroon ng tamang hustisya at tamang
pag respeto sa karapatang pantao.. ngayon nasaan ang gobyerno sa
pagpapatupad nito…? kapabayaan ang nangingibabaw kaya nagkakaroon ng
kahirapan… kasakiman ng mga lideres ang dapat maalis para maalis ang
kahirapan sa bansa…

63.

mervin jim capul

October 6, 2010 at 7:37 pm | #406

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pres. Aqiuno is an ass in supporting this dill for he knows the catholic church is
against this.

64.

Dominic

October 6, 2010 at 8:58 pm | #407

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tama galit na nga ang simbahan dahil hindi tama na suwayin ang cnabi ng diyos na ”
humayo kau`t magparami “.

urak

October 7, 2010 at 10:36 am | #408

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Haha ibang klase talaga logic ninyo…mag parami kasi dalawa lang sila
noon.Eh ngayon 6 Billiona na mahigit and the earth resources is not growing
its even dwindling. Wag nating kalimutan na sinabi rin ng Panginoon kay
Adam and Eve “subdue the earth” – meaning we should control it, not destroy
it by overcrowding. Controlling the earth means make it sustainable for us.
How can we sustain our existence if there not enough resources to feed us due
to over population?

jlocute

October 7, 2010 at 12:19 pm | #409

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And who are the you then to say that the message of God is
outdated??? Kaya pala ngayon uso na ang patayan, prostitution,
pagnanakaw at lahat ng masasama.. ahh kasi outdated na yung message
ni God. Parang ganyan po yata ang gustong palabasin ng message mo
po. When God said “subdue the earth, He says to Adam and Eve to
control and govern the creatures on earth, like fish of sea, birds in sky
and all creatures in the land and that’s it. No more no less.

urak

October 7, 2010 at 1:46 pm | #410

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 Who said that His word is outdated? The key word is the
“context” the “background” of the passage. DONT BE
LITTERAL…

Yes you are right…subdue means controlling the animals, fish,

birds..why ARE THIS
CREATURES/ANIMALS/BIRDS/PLANTS NOT OUR MAIN
RESOURCE FOR SURVIVAL IN THIS PLANET? Again you
are so literal in your logic.

Wilberg

October 7, 2010 at 1:14 pm | #411

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Subdue means to manage within limits, it does not mean to contracept.

At hindi bilang ng tao ang tinutukoy ng salitang ito kundi ang tao
mismo – ang kanyang mga limitasyon. Hindi dapat maging abusado
ang lahi ng tao. To manage your children does not necessarily mean to
manage the number of your children, but to introduce discipline,
moderation, and self-mastery.

Una, hindi sinasabi ng Simbahan na wag i-manage ang populasyon.

Ang sinasabi niya ay maging bukas sa buhay. Kasabay nito,
ipinapaalala niya na tungkulin ng mga magulang na bigyan ng sapat na
edukasyon at pagpapalaki ang mga ipinagkatiwala ng Diyos. Ibig
sabihin, kung sa palagay ng mag-asawa ay hindi nila kayang gampanan
ang pagiging magulang sa maraming anak, kailangan nilang makipag-
cooperate sa kalikasang pantao na ibinigay sa kanila ng Diyos.

Pangalawa, kahit ano pang sabihin ng US, ng ibang mga bansa, at ng

mga taga-sunod nina Malthus, Darwin, at Sanger, matagal nang
bumagsak ang alamat ng overpopulation.

Pangatlo, hindi sinabi ng Diyos na magpakarami dahil dadalwa pa lang

ang tao noon. Kahit 10 milyon na sila noon, mananatili pa rin na
pagpapala ang fertility at hindi ito kailanman magiging sumpa gaya ng
turing dito ng marami ngayon. Kung susukatin mo ang mundo (o kahit
ang Pilipinas lang), malayong-malayo ito sa sinasabing pagkapuno.
Isang malaking pandaraya ang pagpapakita ng larawan ng isang
siksikan na lugar na para bang ganito ang sitwasyon sa buong bansa.
Ito ay isang intensyonal na panlilinlang. Ang ipinapakita nila ay mga
urban area kung saan ang lahat ay nagsisiksikan dahil sa maling akala
na dito may buhay. Ang sinabi ng Diyos ay hindi lamang magpakarami
 kundi punuin ang daigdig. Kahit sa panahon na mamamatay na ang
mga kaapu-apuhan ng henerasyong ito, imposibleng mapuno ang
mundo o kahit ang Pilipinas lang. Pero hindi ibig sabihin ay maaaring
balewalain ng mga magulang ang pagpaplano tungkol sa pagsisilang;
mananatili pa rin basehan ang kanilang kakayahang bigyan ng
marangal na buhay at edukasyon ang kanilang mga anak.

Pang-apat, hindi totoo na kulang sa kayamanan ang mundo at ang ating

bansa. Hanggat may mga taong namumuhay sa kalabisan, lagi itong
mangangahulugan na ang dahilan ng kakulangan ng iba ay ang hindi
balanseng pagamit ng yaman ng bansa.

65.

jur

October 6, 2010 at 11:12 pm | #412

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The Catholic church is responsible for the deaths of thousands of martyrs who
devoted themselves to the translation of the bible.

VATICAN I

The bible was only written and preached in Latin, prohibiting people from
understanding its true meaning.
Thousands of scholars and millions were burned alive because they translated the
bible in English!
They died with their translated work hanged on their necks.

INDULGENCES?
PURGATORY?
MARY MOTHER OF GOD?

The church already admitted they were false.

THE APARITIONS OF MARY ARE NOT TRUE.
The priests who claimed them admitted.

VATICAN II
THE REFORMED CATHOLIC CHURCH??

The NOW Catholic church adopted every protestant teaching there was.

BUT preserved the papacy.

Pope John Paul said, “Do not come to Christ for mercy, come to me.”
Who is he?? HE’S NOT GOD.

AND he said he stated that he believes in the theory of evolution??

That completely contradicts bible history.

I am not without sin.

Clearly, you are losing grasp of what you thought you firmly believed in by the length
of your comment.

Know your Christian history.

Wilberg

October 7, 2010 at 1:01 am | #413

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Where did you get your phony history and claims? Are you that desperate to
discredit the Church? You are embarrassing yourself.

urak

October 7, 2010 at 10:24 am | #414

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You read world history…try research inquisition.

Sir

October 7, 2010 at 9:19 am | #415

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 Pareng Jur,

Ang topic ay tungkol sa RH Bill.

It’s good that you ask these questions because it means you show interest, but
don’t you think they are better off posted on a catholic forum where they can
be addressed properly?

I see a lot of misinformation on your posts, but am stopping you there.

It is considered an etiquette to keep your posts on topic and spare the other
readers from getting confused.

jlocute

October 7, 2010 at 10:29 am | #416

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You have so many questions and you yourself doesn’t exert effort to find the
answers of it. Are you? Then go to a Catholic forum and let your eyes and ears
open. Do not be close minded. I am saying this to you with gentleness because
almost all the words in this forum are already full of emotions. Be careful of
not hurting feelings of others by not saying bad and nonsense words, that is
not Christ-like. Please, let us control our emotions and be gentle. This is a
virtue that we must practice here on earth.

urak

October 7, 2010 at 1:54 pm | #417

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You are the one who is close minded…dig into the history of the
roman catholic, the lives of many of your popes, the basis of your
doctrineS…educate your self with the word of God and not on written
documents of your Church leaders. GO BACK TO THE BASIC
FOUNDATION OF CHRISTIANITY- THE BIBLE.


 jlocute

October 7, 2010 at 4:06 pm | #418

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All religions and sects (except Catholics) based their belief

only in the Bible. See the difference? you are all the same on
your belief of the Bible and yet all of you are different with one
another because you believe that the bible is the only one. We
have the Traditions and messages from heaven to saints,
messages of the Blessed Mother Mary and many visionaries
and mystics. Catholic is the only one.

Give me some verses then of your claim? Does it written in the

Bible? I told you even the word Bible is not written in the
Bible.
Tell me then your doctrine of Bible alone.

66.

alex

October 7, 2010 at 6:47 am | #419

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ayoko sa RH Bill na ito. Kung babasahin lang natin napakapositibo ngunit kung
susuriin natin ng maigi sa likod nito maraming kasamaan ang maidudulot sa tao. Ang
buhay ay biyayang kaloob ng Diyos sa bawat tao ngunit kung mayroong hahadlang sa
paglago ng buhay, hinahadlangan nito ang plano ng Diyos at ang ang paghadlang sa
plano ng Diyos ay pagsuway sa Diyos.Sino ang tao para hadlangan ang buhay na
ibibigay ng Diyos? ang paghihirap ng maraming Pilipino ay hindi dahil sa malaking
populasyon kundi sa kurapsyon. marami sa atin ang reklamo ng reklamo malaki daw
ang populasyon kaya tayo ay naghihirap sa palagay ko hindi dapat. maraming pilipino
ang nagpapakasasa sa yaman tulad ng “mayaman at si Lazaro” marami ang Kotse,
bahay, aso na kung minsan ay mahalaga pa sa tao. sa halip na pahalagahan ang tao iba
ang pinahahalagahan. ang tanong ko sa mga nagsusulong ng Bill na ito ano na nga ba
ang nagawa nyo para sa mga kapwa Pilipinong naghihirap? kaya ba ninyong ibigay
pati buhay niyo para sa mga maliliit na ito? Kung ang Diyos (KRISTO) ay
nagpakatao at ibinigay ang buhay NIYA para sa atin ano ang karapatan natin para
hadlangan ang buhay. ang “paghadlang” sa buhay ay pagtanggi sa buhay at ang
pagtanggi sa buhay ay pagtanngi sa Diyos na pinagmumulan ng buhay. ASK GOD
FIRST. Brothers and Sisters.
67.

wawam

October 7, 2010 at 11:09 am | #420

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Wilberg :

“bully tactic #1 : threaten aquino with excommunication even though the

bishop knew very well there is no basis for it.”

According to the teaching of the Church where the president belongs, “Human
life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of
conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be
recognized as having the rights of a person – among which is the inviolable
right of every innocent being to life.” Even the abortion and contraceptive
industries know very well that the Pill, IUD, and other so-called
contraceptives can kill a zygote. These people can change and manipulate
medical definitions but the truth remains that at the moment where the
spermatozoon penetrates the ovum (fertilization), a human being is conceived,
and to create an environment, through these killing agents, that is hostile to the
human zygote is nothing less than an abortion. It is not the CBCP who wrote
that, “Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The
Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime
against human life.”

“bully tactic #2: play the civil disobedience card reminding aquino of what
happened during the People Power Revolution.”

I will ask once again, how will it be possible for the State to be bullied? Can’t
it not stand for what it believes is right? Furthermore, civil disobedience in this
case is a responsibility of all true Catholics. The bishops and the faithful are
saying these words with Peter and the other apostles: “We must obey God
rather than men!”

Now, how about the people who the bill is really trying to bully? They just
don’t matter?

threatening the president with excommunication and civil disobedience is not the
church stating what it believes in. it is a threat. it is bullying.

the church can state whatever it believes in, but that is not just what it is doing, it is
forcing the administration to adapt its beliefs as state policy.
aquino’s position is to allow BOTH traditional methods of contraception AND
modern methods of contraception. aquino’s position INCLUDES the beliefs of the
church.

the catholic church on the other hand is trying to bully aquino to EXCLUDE modern
methods of contraception and promote only traditional methods of contraception.

Wilberg

October 7, 2010 at 12:42 pm | #421

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“threatening the president with excommunication and civil disobedience is not

the church stating what it believes in. it is a threat. it is bullying.”

You should read the comments and stories that prove you wrong when you’re
insisting that the bishops threaten Noynoy of excommunication. Aside from
that, if the Church sees that a leader (a public figure and servant that is
supposed to protect the citizens) are acting in moral error, it is not wrong to
remind him that he might be excommunicated. But again, that is not even the
case here. Bishop Odchimar was even reluctant to talk about
excommunication. It is the media who assumed that the bishop is threatening
the president.

“the church can state whatever it believes in, but that is not just what it is
doing, it is forcing the administration to adapt its beliefs as state policy.”

The Church is protesting against the proposals of the RH bill, it is not

“forcing” anybody. It is constantly resisting – a reaction rather than an
initiative – the proposed policies that it deems harmful. If the force that you
are referring to is the “excommunication threat”, then that force is nonexistent.

“aquino’s position is to allow BOTH traditional methods of contraception

AND modern methods of contraception. aquino’s position INCLUDES the
beliefs of the church.”

Again, just to make my stand clear, there is no such thing as modern methods
– only artificial ones. So to avoid repetitions about this, better use the words
“natural” and “artificial”, rather than the propagandists’ terms, “traditional”
and “modern” as if they really exist.

Artificial methods are not illegal or disallowed in the country, and the bishops
do not even protest against having contraceptives in the pharmacies
nationwide. What they oppose is the idea that couples, students, and all the
 citizens in general will be miseducated about contraception, values, beliefs,
and behaviors toward sexuality to create a contraceptive culture, and that we
will be obliged to give our money for something that we fight against.

You are casually ignoring the question: “Who really are being bullied?” Who
are being violated?

Sir

October 7, 2010 at 1:12 pm | #422

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@wawam
Again, there is no threat of excommunication against p-noy.
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/202368/cbcp-chief-no-threat-of-
excommunication-vs-aquino

Kindly read the Disclaimer of Bishop Nereo Odchimar, D.D., CBCP President

68.

laarni amoncio

October 7, 2010 at 12:10 pm | #423

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It is very sad because the mentality of the people is like this” kaya ka mahirap dahil
malaki ang family mo” baka naman kaya mahirap hindi sa laki ng family but because
of corruption. hindi masikip and pilipinas nagsisiksikan lang sa maynila.contraceptive
is not only the issue sa rh bill kundi the acro name na DEATH meaning,, DIVORCE,
MERCY KILLING,ABORTION,TOTAL PUPOLATION CONTROL,AT
HOMOSEXUAL.KAYA THE CATHOLIC CHURCH NOT FOR RH BILL…THIS
IS THE ISSUE OF MORALITY KAYA THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
NAKIKIALAM. NAKAKALUNGKOT DIN NA NONOY MOTHER’S IS VERY
RELIGIOUS bkit hindi niya alam na this is not good for the humanity. ang mahirap
kasi kulang tayo ng disiplina we do what we want to do but not what we ought to
do.kaya mahirap din ang buhay ng iba nating kababayan dahil sa katamaran at sugal
hindi dahil sa malaking papolasyon..hanggang ngayon ang mahirap ay talagang
naghihirap at ang mayaman ay yumayaman kasi hindi patas. walang gustong
 magshare ng wealth nila..hindi naman nila maisasama kapag nmatay sila, masyado
kasi tayong maraming kailangan na hindi naman importante.

69.

Sir

October 7, 2010 at 3:20 pm | #424

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What is the bill meant for anyway? What is the root reason on why this was created?

Freedom to choose? Womens rights?

The Filipino people already have the right and freedom to choose between traditional
methods of contraception AND modern methods of contraception. Rendering this bill
useless because today, the freedom to choose is ahts?#422