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B16 SUBCOMMITTEE F
Steel Threaded and Welding Fittings

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 (1:00 PM – 6:00 PM)

Minutes are for Committee use only. They are not to be duplicated or quoted for other than Committee business. Minutes are
subject to approval by the Committee at its next meeting.
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1 CALL TO ORDER/INTRODUCTIONS
2 RECORD OF ATTENDANCE
3 ANNOUNCEMENTS
4 ADOPTION OF MARCH 14, 2017 AGENDA
5 APPROVAL OF MARCH 15, 2016 MINUTES

6 PERSONNEL
6.1 Committee Roster – Will be passed around at meeting

All members should verify that their information on the roster is correct and up to date. If there are any
changes please log onto CS Connect and make the corrections via your profile or notify the staff secretary.

6.2 B16 SC-F Membership Expirations

Brian Fabian Chair, 1st term
Charles Lafferty Alternate
James P. Ellenberger, PE, Member
Paul W. Heald, Member
6.3 Appointments
6.4 Terminations/Resignations

7 REQUESTS FOR INTERPRETATION

March 2015 - Mr. Ramcharran request that the B16 SC F utilize a Special Committee for the approval of
interpretations, per Para 10.3(b) of the Procedures for ASME Codes and Standards Development Committees. If the
committee is in agreement with this action, the Chair of the B16 Standards Committee will need to approve the
proposed Special Committee. This language was taken from the ASME Procedures. The membership of the Special
Committee for interpretations as follows:

Name Interest Category

Annemarie Appleton (Chair) AK
Greg Walden AD
Don Frikken AW
Kenneth Doughty AK
Erika Lawson- ASME Staff

ASME has launched C&S Connect V4.0 on December 19, 2013. With this update, came the new online Interpretation
form. Please note that when submitting inquiries, please use the new online Interpretation form. The direct link is:
www.go.asme.org/inquiry

A motion was made to form a Special Interpretation Committee with the members listed above. The motion was seconded
and approved unanimously. Mr. Ramcharran will sent this action to the Chairman of the B16 Standards Committee for final
approval. Following the meeting, Mr. Ramcharran sent this action to the Chairman of the B16 Standards Committee. As a
result, this special committee for interpretation is now APPROVED.

March 2016: A motion was made, seconded, and approved for the following Special Interpretation Committees:
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16.11 16. 9 & 16.25 16.49

Interest Interest Interest
Name Name Name
Category Category Category
Guy Cuccio, Chair Ak Brian Fabian, Chair AK Robert Schmidt , Chair AK
Gregg Walden AG Don Frikken AW Firdosh Kavarana AK
Annemarie Appleton AK Kenneth Doughty AK James Tucker AW
David Hunt AD David Hunt AD Don Frikken AW
Erika Lawson ASME Staff Erika Lawson Erika Lawson

8 STATUS OF B16 SUBCOMMITEE F STANDARDS

B16.9-2012; FACTORY-MADE WROUGHT STEEL BUTTWELDING FITTINGS

The next edition of this standard is scheduled for publication in December 2017.

Approved Revision items for the 2017 Edition of B16.9

Record # Requirement # Final Date of Consensus
12-1603 Revision to Table 6 and I-6 December 29, 2014
14-688 Revision to Table 2 and I-2 March 27, 2015
14-2227 Revision to Table 12, Note (2) March 19, 2015
14-2100 B16.9 Table 12 for Welding Bevels and Root Face May 26, 2016
16-1361 B16.9 Design Proof Test Revisions September 15,2016

Open Revision Items

12-394 – Lengths of Reducers that go beyond what is covered in Standard – Attachment 19 (March
2015 Minutes) – Attachment 16
PM: K. Doughty

March 2012: An item was suggested by Mr. Ken Doughty to cover reducers that go beyond what’s
covered in the Standard.
March 2013: No report. Mr. Guy Cuccio will contact the project manager for a status update.
March 2014: Work in progress. The item will aim to include a sentence or a foot note to allow for
reducers to go beyond what is covered in B16.9.
March 2015: Mr. Doughty has drafted a proposal and this item is currently out for ballot to the B16 SC F
for review and approval. This ballot (Ballot 15-363) will be closed on March 13, 2015.
Mr. Doughty has indicated that based on the current comments on the ballot, he will revise the
proposal and re-submit it for another first consideration ballot. Please see Attachment 19 for the
proposal that is currently being balloted (via Ballot 15-363).
March 2016 Discussion: Mr. Doughty reports he will have a proposal within the next 30 days.
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17-503 - ASME B16.9-2012, Tables 13 and I-12

Project Manager: Pritzl, Werner

Background: In Fig 1 "Maximum Envelope for Welding End Transitions" of ASME B16.9-2012 fittings
ordered on nominal wall basis and fittings ordered on a minimum wall basis are described. In Tables 13
and I-12 "Tolerances" defining the Inside diameter at the end only fittings ordered on a nominal wall
basis are considered. Purpose: Add a definition for the inside nominal diameter in Tables 13 and I-12 for
fittings ordered on a minimum wall basis. Thereby the fitting ends for both fittings ordered on nominal
wall basis and for fittings ordered on a minimum wall basis are clearly defined. The proposed definition
of the nominal inside diameter ensures that the difference between the minimum outside diameter and
the maximum inside diameter is less than two times the minimum wall thickness. Thus fittings with
minimum wall thickness at the ends can be produced in practice.

Current Status: Last updated February 2017. Subcommittee Proposal.

B16.11-2011; FORGED FITTINGS, SOCKET-WELDING AND THREADED

The next edition of this standard is scheduled for publication in December 2021.

B16.25-2012; BUTTWELDING ENDS

The next edition of this standard is scheduled for publication in December 2017.

Approved Revision items for the 2017 Edition of B16.25

Record # Requirement # Final Date of Consensus
14-1123 ADDING 18-8 PIPE TO B16.25 AS PER ASME B36.19 and adding October 16, 2014
NPS 1/2 - 2 data and NPS 52 to NPS 60 data
15-862 REVISION TO FIGURE 1 & PARA. 5.4 October 29, 2015
16-802 B16.25 UPDATED REFERENCES June 17, 2016

B16.49-2012; FACTORY-MADE WROUGHT STEEL BUTTWELDING INDUCTION BENDS AND

ELBOWS FOR PIPELINE SERVICE
The next edition of this standard is scheduled for publication in December 2017.

Approved Revision items for the 2017 Edition of B16.49

Record # Requirement # Final Date of Consensus
12-393 Supplementary Requirements for Inside Surface Finish October 16, 2014

16-803 B16.49 Updated References June 17,2016

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9 DISCUSSION ITEMS

B16.52 Forged Nonferrous Fittings, Socket-Welding and Threaded (Titanium, Titanium Alloys, Aluminum, and Aluminum Alloys)
Record 16-2253
PM: A. Appleton
A formal request has been submitted to the B16 Standards Committee Staff Secretary requesting a separate
standard for fittings in aluminum and titanium alloys in B16.11.

March 2013: No Report. Work in progress.

March 2014 – March 2015: Work in Progress.

March 2016 Discussion: Work in progress. There was heavy discussion regarding where the request to add
aluminum and titanium alloys. Mr. Tucker reported this request should be sent to the B16 MTC Committee. My Jolly
reported that Ms. Appleton should use B16.9 as a reference when drafting this report. Ms. Appleton is in
disagreement with this suggestions. Mr. Cuccio suggested adding a new standard for aluminum and titanium,
copper nickel alloys. B16. 11 fitting is currently marked with the psi ratings (ie. 3000), whereas b16.9 has schedule
markings. The new standards that cover, threaded ends, butt socket welds that did not have class, but use
scheduled as currently done in B16.9. Mr. Jolly suggested that we can add aluminum and titanium to B16.11 vs.
having a new standard.

Task Group: Appleton, Cuccio

A motion was made to support Ms. Appleton work to draft a new standard to Aluminum, Titlanium and Copper
Nickel. The motion was seconded and approved unanimously.

March 2017: This item has been turned into a new document. PINS 604 has been approved by ANSI. The scope of
this item is currently being balloted under Record 16-2253.

B16.11: FILLET WELD LEG LENGTH FOR EQUAL LEG ATTACHMENT TO B16.11 SW FITTINGS

The length of an equal leg fillet weld under B16.11 is associated with the connecting minimum pipe wall
thickness and the socket wall thickness required to support the fillet weld. The current socket wall
thickness requirement is 1.25 T nominal (average) or a minimum of 1.09 T nominal at localized areas. Some
B31 Committee Members are suggesting the fillet weld leg length should not be less than 1.25 T nominal for
B36.10 and B36.19 pipe, which has an under tolerance on wall thickness of 12.5%. This paper discusses the
issue relative to the socket wall thickness requirement that must support the fillet weld fixing the pipe to the
SW fitting. See Attachment 1

B16.9 Inquiry – Design Proof Test

PM: G. Walden

Task Group: Walden Frikken, Schmidt (Chair) Matt Dancho, and Doughty.
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March 2014: Discussion was brought up by Mr. Walden on the topic of creating an inquiry related to the design
proof test related to testing of similarly proportioned fittings. Suggestions were made to submit either an inquiry or
to create a task group for each Code to review and improve on these procedures.

March 2015: No report.

March 2016 Discussion:

Mr. Schmidt reported that the TG met to consider major revision to B16.9. There was great progress and a draft will
be completed within the next couple months. The intent of this revision is to expand and clarify the language in
para. 9.4.3. Add 10.1 as part of 9.3

10 INTERPRETATIONS

17-502 - B16.9 Table 13

Project Manager: Fabian, Brian

B16.9 - Table 13

Inquiry (Original):
I have a question regarding your specification ASME B16.9 In table 13 ‘tolerances’ several pictures are shown.
One of them you see below. As I have no formal measuring protocol I think that the correct way to determine
if an elbow is out of the specifications is to measure the length of A, so including the Q. A supplier of elbows
told me the correct length of an elbow should be determined by measuring A’. As shown in red. The elbow is
standing upright one side on a solid steel plate. Which way is the correct way? Is there a specific measuring
protocol available? None

Current Status: Subcommittee Proposal.

16-1008 - ASME B16.25-2012 standard Fig 2a and 3a

Project Manager: Fabian, Brian

B16.25 - 2012 , B16.25 Fig 2a & 3a

Inquiry (Original):
We kindly ask you the provide below clarification regarding ASME Bevels as per attached figures 2a and 3a,
ASME B16.25-2012 standard. - Is there any specific input pipe tolerance requirement to make ASME bevels
as per above standards?? Any standard or pipe quality applicable..? None

Current Status: Subcommittee Proposal.

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16-1536 - Tolerance on C dimensions for Fig 2C/3C

Project Manager: Fabian, Brian

B16.25 - 2012 , Fig 2C / 3C

Inquiry:
Question: Can a C dimension with a tolerance of plus 0.25 MM and minus 1.02 MM be acceptable to ASME
B16.25 2012 Fig 2C and 3C? Reply: No

Current Status: Subcommittee Proposal.

16-1683 - Nominal Thickness Markings

Project Manager: Schmidt, Robert

B16.49 - 2012 , 4.1(f) and 12.3

Inquiry:
Is the nominal wall thickness marking per Para 4.1(f) on the final bend intended to be both the mother pipe
nominal wall thickness and the mating piping nominal wall thickness, if they are different?

Current Status: Subcommittee Proposal.

16-2146 - Extension of Concentric Reducer Proof Test

Project Manager: Fabian, Brian

B16.9 - 2003 , 9.4.1

Inquiry (Original):
Does the proof test extension allowance of twice the size tested apply to both the large and small end of the
reducer? For example, would the successful proof test of a 10x5-inch concentric reducer qualify a 16x14-inch
reducer even though the 5-inch size of the tested reducer would only double to a 10-inch size? None

Current Status: Subcommittee Proposal.

16-2211 - Proof Test Material Extension

Project Manager: Fabian, Brian

B16.9 - 2003 , 9.4.3

Inquiry (Original):
In Section 9.4.3, does the allowance to extend successful proof tests only apply to grades of steel? For
example, Nickel alloy fittings to ASTM B366 are identified in Section 5 of the specification. Could the
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successful proof test of a CRES fitting qualify a NICU fitting provided the yield and tensile values are
proportional? None

Current Status: Subcommittee Proposal.

16-2596 - Materials
Project Manager: Cuccio, Guy

B16.11 - 2005 2009 , 5.1

Inquiry (Original):
1.) According to B16.11 2005 section 5.1, is it allowable to machine SW and NPT Couplings from SA-479 Bar?
This material for has equivalent chemical and mechanical strength properties when compared to the same
grade of SA-182 forging. 2.) According to B16.11 2009 Section 5.1, is it allowable to machine SW and NPT
Couplings from SA-479 Bar? 3.) According to B16.11 2009 Section 5.1 lists bar as a form allowed but then only
lists fitting specifications allowed. What bar could be used if only fitting specifications are listed as
conformance requirements? None

Current Status: Subcommittee Proposal.

16-835 - Center-to-end
Project Manager: Fabian, Brian

B16.9/28 - 2012 , 6.2.4 and Table 1

Inquiry (Original):
In calculation of letter B(center-to-end dimension for segmented elbow) in paragraph 6.2.4, B=A x
Tan(ang/2). The result of calculation isn't iqual with the table 1 letter B. I believe that exist some wrong. None

Current Status: Subcommittee Proposal.

16-902 - ASME B16.11 Class designation

Project Manager: Cuccio, Guy

B16.11 - 2011 , 2.1

Inquiry:
Does the Class designation number of fittings in B16.11-2011 have any meaning other than identifying the
fitting dimensions and equivalent pipe schedules for calculating pressure ratings (i.e. Section 2), or is it solely
a designation?

Current Status: Subcommittee Proposal.

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11 NEW BUSINESS

Burst Test Presentation –Attachment 22 (March 2016 Minutes)

March 2015: A week prior to the meeting, Mr. Frikken notified the Officers of the committee Mr.
Stonehouse will be attending the meeting and would like to present his finding and make a
recommendation for the B16 SC F consideration. Please see Attachment 29 for the presentation.
Mr. Stonehouse presented during the meeting and the committee will review his recommendations.
This item will be tabled until the next meeting.

March 2016 Discussion:

Prior to the meeting, Mr. Werner submitted items for discussion on burst testing. To add to his
discussion, he will provide a short 20 minute presentation. Please see Attachment 22b for the email
correspondence.
Mr. Werner reported that burst test pressure for ASTM A860 is not covered in B16.9. Mr. Schmidt
reported that there was no agreement to add ASTM A860 materials in B16.9. This is more appropriate
to be considered in SP 75. The design of these fittings is not addressed in B16.9. Ms. Appleton suggest
that concern is for ASTM A860 Committee. B16.9 only covers the dimensions, but for materials, you
have comply with ASTM A860 and SP 75.

Mr. Werner brought up that wall thickness is not address for tolerances Mr. Werner will submit a
proposal.

During the meeting, Mr. Werner gave a presentation about burst pressure testing.

B16.49, Para. 2.2 – See Attachment 2 (Attachment 23 (March 2016 Minutes))

March 2016 Discussion: Prior to the meeting, a possible revision to B16.49 was received to review and
align B16.49 with B31 Codes (e.g. B31.3). The inconsistency occurs in para. 2.2 with “t” is labeled at
nominal design wall thickness, and the submitter suggest it be changed to, “design pressure thickness”.
The committee is asked to review this proposed revision.
During the meeting, the committee reviewed the suggestion. Discussion arose that “t” as it is currently
label is fine as written, but if we aligned it with B31.3, it would not change the intent of what “t” means
in B16.49.
Mr. Kavarana volunteers to review this and take out a work item if needed.

B16.49, Para. 7 – See Attachment 3 (Attachment 24 (March 2016 Minutes))

March 2016 Discussion: Prior to the meeting, a possible revision as submitted to review and revise
para. 7, Chemical Composition. The committee is asked to review this proposed revision.
During the meeting, the committee reviewed the suggestion. Mr. Kavarana reported that he is in
agreement with the heavier wall thickness greater than 1 in. Furthermore, he is in agreement to add
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wall thickness is over 25 mm, the chemical composition shall be agreed between the purchaser and
manufacturer. After much discussion, Mr. Kavarana has volunteered to review the suggestion and take
out awork item if needed.

B16.11, Zero Caps for Socket Welds – See Attachment 4 (Attachment 25a-25b (March 2016 Minutes))

March 2016 Discussion: Prior to the meeting, Mr. Jolly submitted a request to review the zero caps for
socket welds. As a result, Mr. Fabian request this item be added for review and discussion from the B16
Subcommittee F. Mr. Jolly drafted with rationale for B16.11.
Mr. Jolly reported that the committee review gap at the bottom of the pipe for B16.11. Mr. Tucker
reported that due to cracks, they are changing the ratio from 1:1 to 2:1 in the nuclear codes for
vibration. The issue is there is cracks in the fillets welds. Mr. Jolly will report on this.

B16.11 History See Attachment 5

Proposal submitted by Guy Jolly - SUBJECT: ASME B16.11 HISTORY SPECIFIC TO SW FITTINGS

12 HONORS AND AWARDS

The B16 Standards Committee is looking for nominees for various ASME Awards. For a complete list of
awards use the following link: http://www.asme.org/Governance/Honors/. Nominations can be sent to
either the B16 Standards Committee Secretary or the B16-SC F ASME Staff.

13 FUTURE MEETINGS
The next meeting will be on March 19-21, 2018 at the Doubletree by Hilton San Diego Downtown, San
Diego, CA ($169.00/night).

14 ADJOURNMENT

Respectfully Submitted,

Erika Lawson
PTCS Standard & Certification Engineer
American Society of Mechanical Engineers
Two Park Avenue, New York, NY 10016
T: 212.591.8094
F: 212.591.8501
Email: lawsone@asme.org
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