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‘AHLUSSUNAH WAL
JAMA:”AH

HUSAM AND HAMZAH

[ENGINEER “ALI: MIRZA ,AND


LAHORITE-QADIANITE
DISPUTE]
Engineer “Ali Mirza: declares only two sects as Kafir, this proves that he is declaring any third sect as
Muslim. But there are other sects which are equally Ka:fir . But Engineer of Jhelum is silent on them.
Further he cannot declare some sects as Ka:fir upon his own standard which are Ka:fir/Mon Muslim.
What Engineer “Ali: Mirza: is trying to convince his followers silently that even they are
Muslim.[Na”udh:ubillah]. This conspiracy of the Engineer Of Jhelum is exposed in this article.
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Engineer “Ali: Mirza and Lahori-Qadiani dispute.


In his lecture Engineer “Ali: Mirza: of Jhelum confesses explicitly that he declares only two sects as Ka:fir.

1] Qa:dianis

2]Nus:airis.[“Alavites]

The reason for Declaring them as Kafir by Engineer “Ali: Mirza: is not that they believe in two different articles of
Kufr respectively but the reason is that they declare Muslims, “Ali: Mirza of Jhelum [and his followers i.e
“Alimirzais/Jhelumites] as Ka:fir.

Ref:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bFRkxlqGWU

See the Video from 5:35m to 7:09m

The total video is of 45:01 m

The question is what Engineer “Ali: Mirza: of Jhelum says about the second Mirzai sect Lahorites.

Lahorites disputes from Qadiyanites on the following issues.

1- The Qadiani group says that the deniers of Mirza are infidels, but La:ho:ri:
group does not consider them as infidel/Ka:fir.
2- The Qadiani group declares Mirza as a real Prophet, but La:ho:ri: droup
do not declare him as a true Prophet.
3- The Qadiani group says that Mirza Qadiani is an “ Arab:”, but La:ho:ri:
group does not consider him as an Arab.

This does shew that Lahorites/Lahories satisfy both conditions of Engineer “Ali: Mirza.

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So Engineer “Ali: Mirza: is totally unable to declare Lahorites as Ka:fir.

All the Muslims declare Qa:diyani sect of Mirz:’is as Kafir since they denounce the FINALITY and Lasthood/
Lastness of Holy Prophet Muh:ammad [S:”AVS].

But Engineer “Ali: Mirza declares them as Ka:fir Only because they declare others as Ka:fir.

He further says that if they cease to declare others as Ka:fir , Engineer “Ali: Mirza: shall cease to declare them as
Ka:fir.

This means that the only Kufr of Qa:diya:nis according to Engineer “Ali: Mirza: Of Jhelum is that they declare
others as Ka:fir.

So Engineer “Ali: Mirza: cannot declare Lahorites as Ka:fir for this reason.

The first article of La:ho:ri:-Qa:diya:ni disputes stated above in red colour.

Enginner “Ali: Mirza: is confindent that Qa:dianis cannot accept Engineer “Ali: Mirza: ,his followers and Muslims as
Muslim since if Engineer “Ali: Mirza: denies the claim of Prophethood of Mirza: and continues to be a Muslim then
Mirza: Gh:ula:m ‘Ah:mad cannot be a Prophet.

But once again the problems is that Laho:rites are in agreement with Mirza: of Jhelum on this issue.

They do not consider Mirza: Gh:ula:m ‘Ah:mad as a Real Prophet but a Virtual or Pseudo prophet or a dummy
prophet. Mirza: Of Jhelum says that If “Mirza: Of Jhelum denies the [ALLEGED] prophethood of Mirza Gh:ula:m
Ah:mad Of Qa:diya:m and remains a Muslim then Mirza: Gh:ula:m ‘Ah:mad Of Qa:diaya:n cannot be a Prophet.

So Lahorites/Lahoris gladly the argument of Mirza: Of Jhelum , there is a perfect agreement between Muh:ammad
“Ali Lahori:’s sect and Engineer “Ali: Mirza: Of Jhelum and his sect/followers [Jhelumites/Alimirizais].

Muslims declare Lahorites as Ka:fir .But according to the standard of Engineer “Ali: Mirza: ,they are Muslims
[Na”u:dh:ubillah].

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Similarly today Nazarites/Qara:mit:ah do not declare others as Ka:fir so Engineer “Ali: Mirza: cannot declare them
as Ka:fir.

Engineer “Ali: Mirza: declares Nus:airis as Ka:fir only because they declare him and others as Ka:fir.

But this person of Jhelum is silent on Druze. Since Druze some times declares others as Ka:fir and some time say
that the consider others as Muslims. So Engineer “Ali: Mirza: declared ONLY TWO sects as Ka:fir beased on the
declaration of Kufr by them. So he is silent about La:horites, Druz ,Babites and Baha:’ites.

[Further discussions on the believes of some such sects shall be discussed in separate articles ‘Insha:’all-h.]

Last but not the least Engineer “Ali: Mirza: says that he is compelled (Majburan) to declare Qadianis and Nus:airis
as Ka:fir shewing his sympathies with them.

Every thing is now clear that Engineer “Ali: Mirza: is one of the greatest heretic of
twenty first century of Common Era. He has selected different heresies from different
heretic sects and presents them in the Holy Nouns of Qur’a:n and ‘Ah:a:di:th:.

ANALYZATION

Engineer “Ali: Mirza: opines that:-

1] 1f a person reciteth Kal-mah and claimeth to be a Muslim but denieth “The Finality of Prophethood Of Holy
Prophet PBUH, he remaineth a Muslim.

2] If a person recieth Kal-mah and claimeth to be a Muslim but declareth other Muslims as Ka:fir he becometh a
Ka:fir and ceaseth to be a Muslim.

3] If a person reciteth Kal-mah and claimeth to be a Muslim both commiteth both of the stated above i.e 1 &2 then
he is a Ka:fir due to the 2 and not due to the 1.

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This means that according to the Engineer “Ali: Mirza: of Jhelum to deny the Finality of Holy Prophet PBUH is not
the Kufr but to declare a Muslim is the Kufr.

It was long suspected that Engineer “Ali: Mirza: holds the view that if a person who so he may be reciteth Kali-mah
and claimeth to be a Muslim yet holdeth some believes of Kufr, then the person is Muslim [Na”u:dh:ubillah Va
‘Astagh:farullah]. His opinion was clear that “if a person who recitethKal-mah and claims to be a Muslim believeth
in some article of Shirk,he continueth to be a Muslim” was found explicitly in some lectures and implicitly in some
lectures. But it was not suspected that he can go to such an extent that he would say the same in the case of
denying the Finality of Holy Prophet, and the belief of Divinity of Saiyiduna: “Ali: RD: .

But it is now clear that his religious system is so dangerous that some day he shall say that if a person under the
following three conditions :- a] Reciteth Kal-mah , b]Claimeth to be a Muslim , c] Doeth not declare other Muslims
as Ka:fir continueth to be a Muslim even if :-

1] He believeth that Holy Prophet is an Incarnation of God.

[Na”u:dh:ubillah Va ‘Astagh:farullah] Or

2] He believeth that there is no Angel .

[Na”u:dh:ubillah Va ‘Astagh:farullah] Or

3] He believeth that Divine Knowledge is Nether Eternal Nor Comprehensive.

[Na”u:dh:ubillah Va ‘Astagh:farullah] Or

4] He believeth that Divine Essence [God/Deity] is Non Eternal With Out a Creator [H:adith: Bila: Muh:dith:].

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[Na”u:dh:ubillah Va ‘Astagh:farullah] Or

5] He believeth that Qur’a:n is not the Final Book that is revealed from God/Deity.

[Na”u:dh:ubillah Va ‘Astagh:farullah] Or

6] He believeth that after the Holy Prophet the Term of Nabi is changed by some other , and some people shall be
send by God/Deity under the new term.

[Na”u:dh:ubillah Va ‘Astagh:farullah] Or

7] He believeth in transmigration of souls/spirits and in reincarnation.

[Na”u:dh:ubillah Va ‘Astagh:farullah] Or

8] He believeth that God/Deity Himself visiteth the world without incarnation and without manifestation.

[Na”u:dh:ubillah Va ‘Astagh:farullah] Or

9] He believeth that there shall be no Qiya:mah .

[Na”u:dh:ubillah Va ‘Astagh:farullah] Or

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10] He believeth that Shar” [Law] of ‘Isla:m is Abrogated by God/Deity [‘ALL-H].

[Na”u:dh:ubillah Va ‘Astagh:farullah] Or

11] He believeth that God/Deity Hath abrogated the Necessity [Fard:iah] of Zaka:h,H:ajj, S:ala:h et cetera.

[Na”u:dh:ubillah Va ‘Astagh:farullah] Or

12 ] He believeth that God/Deity Hath permitted Homosexuality. Et Cetera.

[Na”u:dh:ubillah Va ‘Astagh:farullah]

13] He believeth in some of the stated above articles of Kufr. Or

14] He believeth in all of the stated above articles of Kufr.

NOTE: If some one believeth in a belief and remaineth to be a Muslim them the belief is not an article of Kufr.

Similarly if some one believeth in an article and cannot be declared as Ka:fir due to his belief on the article then
the article of belief is not an article of Kufr, even if the person is declared as Ka:fir due to some other article
other then the former.

To deny that an article of Kufr is not an article of Kufr is a Kufr.

For example the belief A is a Belief of Kufr.

If a person P doeth not believe in A BUT either saith that this article is not an article of Kufr or saith if he saith that
if some one believeth in it he remaineth to be a Muslim, the person P ceaeth to be a Muslim immediately.

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TO THE MUSLIMS OF THE WORLD

AS IT IS SHOWN THAT ENGINEER “ALI: MIRZA


IS A HERETIC AND AN APOSTATE FOR THE
SAKE OF GOD PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO HIS
LECTURES UNLESS AND OTHERWISE YOU
HAVE SUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE TO DETECT
HIS FALLACIES AND APOSTASIES IN HIS
LECTURES. He does not speak truth but he
speaks falsehood and often accuses with
out proper investigation. This is a sufficient
proof that Engineer is a Ka:dh:ib [Speaker of
Falsehood] .
[Note Wedo not like to use the words lie and liar, so we are compelled to use the expressions like speaks falsehood or speaker of falsehood]

TO THE FOLLOWERS OF ENGINEER “ALI


MIRZA
HOW MANY PROOFS AND EVIDENCES DO YOU REQUIRE TO CONVINCE YOU
THAT THIS MAN FROM JHELUM IS A APOSTATE, AN INNOVATOR AND A HERETIC
. PLEASE THINK AGAIN. HE IS A PERSON WHO CAN DESTROY YOUR FAITH.
THANKS

DISCLAIMER

THE AUTHOR IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY MEANING DUE TO ERROR OF THE TYPIST.

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