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Minutes
Present
GL reported that this was the second meeting of the Wheelchair User Forum (WUF)
was held on 24th November 2017
A representative from the CCG and Provide was invited to attend. The CCG also
passed on the invitation to Provide however Provide did not make contact or attend.
A representative of the CCG attended and took notes about what people were
saying about their experience of the wheelchair service about untimely responses,
staff being rude to people
After 1st April 2018, the CCG will be starting the process to tender for the wheelchair
service contract.
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WUF spoke about good service design collaboration with the CCG, how they could
help write questions for the tender contract, review of answers to the questions, so
that the CCG could get the best service possible. CCG rep was very interested.
WUF has been developed as an extra opportunity for engagement with wheelchair
users and is separate to the 4 Partnership Boards. The WUF has asked to develop
Terms of Reference to enable it to become more established and clear in its role.
The County Council has allowed CAIL to use some of last financial years partnership
boards underspend to support the development of the wheelchair user forum. The
County Council recognised that if people cannot take up their full independence by
having a wheelchair that suits them, then they cannot have a full and independent
life and this becomes then a social care problem.
PB on the WUF: Does it include people using scooters who have a mobility problem?
GL Scooter users are welcome but scooters are not funded by the wheelchair
service and as such they are a private purchase
PB is that a problem perhaps on with the wheelchair service then as scooters can be
more mobile and useful?
GL stated that scooters might be more practical for people as people have space for
bags etc which they don’t have on wheelchairs
MS says he borrowed a wheelchair (for a friend) from a service in cambs and is now
being asked to return it. GL said that there is a second hand shop JC noted that
there is one in St Neots.
GL noted that the Wheelchair User Forum would be open to scooter users and
people from Peterborough as the wheelchair service covers Peterborough and
Cambridgeshire as they have the same service as it is part of the CCG.
Trish Reed reported that new funding has been available from the Better Care
Funding following the Care Act to develop ways improving integration between
services. Goals can include reducing hospitalization.
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Performance was assessed.
1. Upfront advice and information for people and what their options were. OT
referrals, level access shower or adaptation etc. If people had earlier info
provision they could make decisions sooner.
2. Home Improvement agencies and the time it takes to get an adaptation done,
expediency and grants being tracked as the time taken to respond increases
the risk of the individual falling etc.
3. Funding – CC is still putting revenue funding into the agencies, had lost a
revenue grant. CC should put their resource upfront into the prevention
service
1 service for children with disability, families are being approached early on and
whether a move at an early stage might be better and long-term beneficial.
Adult Early Help team from April will be picking up on those early needs and
liaising with people.
Silverlinks is recruiting older people who have moved to act as a mentor for
others interested in doing the same, peer support style.
Pushing prevention agenda, empowerment and control for people for where they
live etc. rather than falling into a crisis and moving into a home.
MS: When you do an adaptation to a private house, is the cost reimbursed or not
by the Council? Such as by a charge on the property should it be sold?
MS asks why and Trish says Helen Reed will elaborate later.
MS asked why doesn’t CCC buy house and then use it with adaptation rather
than costly process of ripping it out and having to install in a different home.
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PB says housing being developed isn’t suitable and why is there not a better
liaising process pre-construction? Handyman scheme (delivered by Age UK
Cambridgeshire and Peterborough) is mentioned and asks whether the CCC
pays for this or whether it is private.
Helen R says there is a small charge but some works are free. Many people want
to contribute. It shouldn’t exclude people who can’t afford it.
MS we want to see what we buy and get the feel of the layout, can’t do this when
the property is off plan.
JC asked the PDSI PB have you have tried buying an adapted house? It is
incredibly difficult to find them and what it is and what it means. You go and see
and this is what it is for and it doesn’t meet needs or specifications or purpose.
JC has been trying to look for an adapted house and people need help finding
these houses. Newbuilds’ bathrooms are so small no adaptions can be made.
Why can this be done in Scotland do it and we can’t. Application of the law is
different it seems.
HR land prices are so high as well. Such properties need more space and
developers don’t see it as viable
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JC criteria for adaptable or accessible is very different
Trish Reed, from Cambridge City Council explained that a joint policy being worked
on across district and county council’s on how funds are used by councils and to
develop a standardised approach from all councils.
Mandatory facilities grants are a statutory duty provision. Some of the councils have
provided top up funding. That money that comes through doesn’t have to be spent
on just one thing but can be used for wider purposes to ensure that a home is
accessible. Up until now it has only been used for statutory grants. A joint policy is
being worked on across the county to enable people to live at home independently.
The policy will look at the kinds of help able to be provided. Interventions might help
people leave hospitals quicker or prevent hospitalisation. Making homes warmer e.g.
improved heating systems, security, hazards in the home. Supporting moving versus
adaptation with financial help available to aid moving if that was considered the
better option.
Trish explained that there is a funding issue in that the government has increased
amount available to councils but demand is increasing as there is an ageing
population and people with disabilities are living longer.
The aim of the new policy is to ensure appropriate spending to maximise benefit.
The draft policy will be consulted on. There are 5 districts and agreement sought
from all 5. Consultation will most likely happen in the new year. PDSI will be given
the opportunity to comment on this.
PB Used to own a home in Cambridge and fell down the stairs once. Her
Godmanchester flat has a range of benefits which she mentioned in the pre meeting
discussion with the County Council about transforming services.
PB asked couldn’t the councils buy empty houses and turn them in to social
housing? People living on their own will be more likely to suffer accidents are of
concern.
HR asks whether PB is talking about a large home with a number of people living
there or independent homes.
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HR from the district council’s point of view there isn’t money to go to buy homes in
that way. There is the ‘New Build’ programme, care homes are being built. HR thinks
that PB is talking about what are called extra care schemes or sheltered housing
schemes which are aimed at people over the age of 55. There is some provision
there and they are working with the county council to establish what other kind of
provision is required. There are a number of different housing models that will suit
different people and different circumstances.
EB: In Huntingdonshire it seems that nursing care and less of the sheltered
accommodation is being built. The sheltered element isn’t there. It seems that the
over the 55 is there without the support.
Trish says there is a provision by the 5 main housing providers. There are support
services there but there isn’t a scheme manager there. It is for anyone anywhere.
JC when you have this new policy will you publish it and will it be made readily
available for people
HR their general policy isn’t to automatically put it in different formats and they want
to know what formats are needed as it needs to be as understandable as possible.
GL certainly the consultation will be go out but asks about regional provision
differences, ‘postcode lotteries’ between the district councils that people don’t
understand. If the policy is put out at consultation, it might be helpful if there is a
case study by each district or regional wide.
GL noted that people need to be able to find the policy easily and also to be able to
understand what it is saying. GL gave the example of Healthwatch providing a copy
of their report in to the Accessible Information Standard; the document is made
available in EasyRead, audio, Braille and 24 font and standard. The travelling
community has the largest number of minorities and in Braille. The use of EasyRead
also helps people who have English as a second language and also people with low
literacy levels (eg members of the Traveller community who may not have completed
school).
MS With the Healthwatch report it aims at informing the practitioner of the need of
the user.
GL the point is that people should only explain their need once and not multiple
times and from the beginning have their needs attended to without the lengthy
explanatory process and questions
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HR is interested and says that transparency requires it
GL says that as Helen R was asking how to consult, that we would like to meet with
her to discuss the process. If Helen R wanted to attend the 4 Partnership Boards
there may be a way of CAIL can work with her to streamline this streamline this to
collectively identify themes. This could be done by a single meeting inviting
representatives from all the partnership boards. GL happy to discuss with Helen R
on how to consult the broader community further.
PB thinks it is very important that you are involved that the public inform on what
they want and need and recommendations have been made previously and haven’t
been listened to
HR said that there are statutory requirements in consultation and agreement across
the 5 districts is difficult. Good reasons as to why this can’t be done can be given.
There is a balance with having to take it forward.
PB sometimes because we are talking about people with special needs and people
say we are a minority but special needs is increasing, it is more relevant
There had been an issue with Direct Payments and the transfer of managing the
Direct Payments from Pendrill’s Trust to Purple. This meant that weren’t able to pay
for their care; Helen Duncan (principal social worker) raised it with the relevant team.
This was speedily acted upon and it was a systemic issue relating to the handover
from one provider organisation to another.
9. Action Log
A concern was raised regarding the usefulness of having the Action Log on an excel
spreadsheet as it was difficult for people to use.
Action: GL agreed to review and explore different ways, such as using word.
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PB asked if is there something like the partnership boards for people with Dementia?
There will be a meeting for friends of people with Alzheimer’s in Godmanchester to
help explain the process of diagnosis etc
GL The Older People’s Partnership Board covers this are bringing together
organizations who provide support early on.
Kindly note there will be a meeting of service users just before each meeting
between 10:00am and 10:30am
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