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Three engineer/producers based in Nashville
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James Demeter
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Hello and
welcome to
Tape Op
#108!
12 Letters
14 Mew
22 Kim Rosen
28 Kyle & Jason Lehning
38 Gary Paczosa
46 James Demeter in Behind the Gear
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50 Gear Reviews
70 Music Reviews
Gratuitous Bob Dylan photo by Elliott Landy
74 Larry’s End Rant How can we not run a classic photo like this
Bonus Content: when it’s sent to us?
Kim Rosen See Larry’s review of The Basement Tapes on page 70
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Gary Paczosa
Kyle & Jason Lehning
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Online Only Features
Tom Mark - Working with NRBQ & Carla Bley
As I was putting this issue together I was also moving into a new office. I
feel lucky to finally have enough room to set up a shelf specifically for archive
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materials, such as magazine back issues, records by my old bands, and lots of
hard drives. Yeah, hard drives. Some contain data from old issues of this
magazine and others have backups of my own music, but a majority of these
drives contain Pro Tools sessions from various projects I’ve recorded and produced
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over the last six or seven years. Unlike many recordists, I’ve been recording
digitally for only a little over a decade. When I began using Pro Tools, I assumed
that the artists I worked with understood the importance of backing up their
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data. I would usually keep copies of a session for a year, or until I saw a CD or
LP released. It wasn’t until a client (who had lost all their data a year after a one-
day session) threatened to make me re-record them for free that I began keeping
backups (on RAID or multiple drives) of every one of my sessions. Now I have a
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workflow, our art, and our expectations. But it also has opened up all sorts of
confusing new problems to solve.
Like Bob Dylan before me, I’ve been spending a fair bit of time in Nashville
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over the past few years. I really like the city’s diverse community of musicians,
engineers, producers and studios. And, as this issue is going to press, I’ll be at
the Summer NAMM show in Nashville. Check out the interviews in this issue with
Kyle and Jason Lehning and Gary Paczosa for just two examples of the Nashville
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music community.
Larry Crane, Editor
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about Beats and Starbucks has been bouncing around Tape Op at one point made me a better engineer, but now as a tape op behind Bones Howe [#64], and was able to
in my head, and I am just writing to say that it makes me a better product manager; and ultimately watch The Wrecking Crew work many sessions with
I think he has nailed it perfectly! You can (cheesily) a better person. So, thanks! Bones and The 5th Dimension. At the time I was not
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pose as a coffee snob, and point to a better cup of Sam Bennett <swiftbennett@me.com> truly aware of what I was experiencing, but immediately
coffee than the airport Starbucks. You can pose as an recognized the sound I had heard on hundreds of
Thank you! I have an artist friend who always says, “I records in my collection. Their ability to
audiophile and turn up your nose at the gangs of kids can’t read your magazine because I have no idea what pretty much “get it” on the first take
with little red Beats cables hanging out of their ears, the articles are talking about.” I feel the magazine has astounded me. Bones would always do at least
but either way it does represent the emerging idea that
people really do care about the quality of what they
consume and are willing to shed some cash to prove it!
ever really cracked an issue. -LC
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the song, wisely knowing the licks that were not written
on the charts would then come out of the players – like
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I am optimistic enough to imagine that the mid-grade Hey Larry... nice article on the Wrecking Crew. Too bad magic they always did! During all those sessions I never
coffee of Starbucks has helped raise coffee quality a recording mag can’t mention that its engineer Chuck once saw anyone complain about anything – truly
awareness, and I extend that optimism to imagine that Britz at Western, with Brian on page 20. Bill Pitman is professional players. Working with Bones was always a
the huge amount of care that I put into the audio that in the back. pleasure. I learned a lot about the music business,
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comes out of my studio is not all going to be dumbed Clarke Rigsby <CRigsby@asu.edu> recording, and editing from him – a true gentleman and
down into 128 kHz MP3s, and absorbed on random,
Oops… Oh, man. Thanks. We were under the wire getting friend. Denny has done an amazing job of presenting his
low-grade earbuds. Thanks, Allen. I smile to
photo captions added and identifying everyone in the photos Dad’s musical legacy, and the history behind all of those
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myself a little every time I walk past a damn Starbucks! incredible hit records.
was not always easy. Chuck was a legend, of course. -LC
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I enjoy Tape Op’s cover art every time. It’s consistent,
Just had to say I think you’ve done wonders with So nice to see the Allen Sides article [Tape Op #106].
represents the content well, and always looks cool!
the magazine. I only did a half dozen or so projects at Ocean Way in
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Church mics in films and TV shows. One hangs over Elvis’ Manhattan, but it’s totally worth the trip to deal with
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there were musical guests. There are even several Church
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Formed 20 years ago in a suburb of Copenhagen, What was your first experience like in a engineer and recordist. He wanted to have Rich
Mew was first in a wave of indie bands to come out of proper studio? Costey come over to do our record with him, but he
Denmark. While their earliest recordings may hint at There was a guy who came to one of our shows who was couldn’t get him at that point, so Damon came by
more challenging music to come, nobody could have running a studio. He was a cool guy, and he came to himself and did it with us. He’s been involved with
anticipated that they would eventually create some of visit us when we were recording the first full album. the band ever since, and he’s always done something
the most complex pop music ever made. Their songs He did his recordings on Super VHS, had the whole on most of the records. He did backing vocals on
effortlessly blend indie pop, prog, electronic, dance, studio in his house, and was really into the Amiga “156,” and a guitar part on another song on [our
and orchestral rock. The band wasn’t afraid to play computer. He didn’t believe in PCs or Macs; he wanted third album] Frengers. On our second record, he did a
with time signatures, nor were they restricted by to keep it all on the Amiga. It had these programs spoken word part, which was cut out on some of the
convention, only to reveal themselves after multiple that had four tracks called FastTracker. We’d just take releases. I think it’s only on the first issue of that
listens. Slots supporting R.E.M. and Nine Inch Nails sounds from different computer games and make it album, because it’s silly. He did a guitar part on [our
have elevated their status further. (R.E.M.’s Mike into music. Some of them are on the A Triumph for fourth album, …And The Glass Handed Kites’]
Mills once told me that “The Zookeeper’s Boy” was Man re-issue as bonus tracks. “Apocalypso”. We feel like if he’s not involved, we’ll
one of his favorite songs of the last ten years.) They Where did you record A Triumph for Man? jinx it. We have our own little studio, and he has a
have been extremely active in the recording process, Here in Copenhagen, in a studio called El Sound; like lot of old gear there.
and have released many video snippets of their Electric Sound, but people like to joke and call it “El The whole approach to recording Mew
creative methods, going so far as to include a bonus SOUND,” like it’s Spanish. I’m not sure if it’s there and Swirlies records seems very
DVD detailing the making of ...And The Glass Handed anymore. It was small, but it sounded great compared different!
Kites with their concert film, Live In Copenhagen. The to what we were used to. I think they had a small He was probably most influential on the first record. We
2015 release of the album + – marks the return of Trident console. Morten Bue was engineering. He was had our own idea about what we should be, as a
bassist Johan Wohlert, who amicably departed in 2006, cool and he helped a lot of bands like us who were band. I always did things like singing in one register
reuniting the unparalleled rhythm section that is him coming out at the same time. and then doubling it with falsetto. We were very
and drummer Silas Utke Graae Jørgensen, along with How did you end up getting involved inspired by bands like Swirlies, as well as lots of noise
guitarist Bo Madsen. I sat down with singer and multi- with Damon Tutunjian [of the rock bands like Dinosaur Jr., but I don’t know how
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instrumentalist Jonas Bjerre to discuss their history Swirlies] at that time? much of that comes through. I think that Damon
and surprisingly diverse collaborations, as well as the We saw the Swirlies at a festival and just loved them. It made that record a little more explosive sounding. He
new album’s journey from defunct auto garage, to the was massive and you could hardly hear the vocals, had an influence on the drumming as well, doing
basement of a piano shop, to a high-end facility, to but they made a huge impression on us. We talked to these weird breaks where you’d do a snare march on
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eventually helping to resurrect a legendary [bassist] Andy Bernick afterwards. Later, from reading the one, which is also very evident in Swirlies.
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Copenhagen studio. magazines, we figured out that Damon was their Where was Frengers recorded?
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different place for us. It put us on the map. One of night. I think we wanted something more progressive longer than you anticipate. But there was a really
the magical things about working with Rich for the on the next record. We already had done songs that nice, free feeling we got from shaping and figuring
first time was seeing how he’d mic up guitar amps. ended up in a different place from where they started. things out in the studio. That’s why we made our own
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He split the signal using a splitter box, and he’d use Songs like “Am I Wry” splits in the middle, where we studio, eventually. We wanted to use it as a
four different amps. He ran white noise through play the middle section backwards and then go into composing instrument. We decided that songwriting
them, and then moved the mics around until there an outro. It has very little repetition. We really liked is most important. If you have a good song, you can
was no phasing. That really punchy sound comes from that and thought we should do that to an extreme, always make it sound the way you want, and you can
that multi-spectral recording. We’ve been doing that
ever since. A lot of producers do it; but we’d never
heard of it before, and I don’t think that anyone was order in advance?
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making a whole album where the songs do that.
Obviously you decided on the running
play around with it. We have a couple on this record
that we shaped by using weird effects, but I think
that just writing a good song is a good starting point.
We knew at least which three or four songs would run You guys are good about actively
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doing it here in Denmark.
How did you end up working with together, even though we didn’t have the whole showing your recording process.
Michael Beinhorn [Tape Op #84] on picture. We knew some in advance, but figured out What made you decide to do that?
…And the Glass Handed Kites? other things along the way. “Why Are You Looking Bo was always filming stuff. We were afraid the
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We’d moved to London. We’d been touring a lot with Grave?” didn’t have anything connecting it to the documentary might demystify it a little bit, but
Frengers, but wanted to try to write a new album song before it [“Chinaberry Tree”], but I figured out eventually we decided that it would be nice for us as
quickly. Frengers was a mixture of older songs, as well that there were three notes that the two scales had well, like a little diary or memory that we can keep. It
as some of the first stuff we’d written with new ideas. in common. Johan and I sang those three notes as a shows that time and situation we were in. There was a
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We set up a studio in the kitchen of our house in chord, and that swept over into the beginning of the lot of worrying going on at that point. ...And The Glass
London. As we were writing, we decided we wanted the next song. That was the most makeshift transition Handed Kites was a lot more hard and dark sounding;
record to be one long progression of songs, but we that we had. we had no idea how people would receive it.
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didn’t know who we wanted to produce it. Looking Speaking of “Why Are You Looking They say fortune favors the bold. What
back, I can’t believe anyone ever agreed to work with Grave,” how did J Mascis end up brought you back to Rich Costey for
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us based on our demos, because a lot of them had no singing on it? No More Stories…?
vocals. I just played them out on the piano. We We were obviously big fans of Dinosaur Jr. Bo met him I think we view things as moving in a zigzag pattern. We
approached Rich, but he was a bit hesitant and didn’t when we were still kids. J was walking around the wanted to do something a little softer sounding. We
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think the songs were done. They weren’t. We wrote a center of Copenhagen looking confused. [envisioned] a really tight drum sound having almost
letter to Michael and sent him some songs, but didn’t Apparently he had lost his luggage and needed to no room on it. We talked to Rich, and he was really
hear back from him. We spoke to a few other people, buy some clothes. Bo lent him some money to buy into that idea. He had just moved back to New York,
and had some interview sessions at our house. We had some t-shirts, and he invited us to the show. Bo which is a lovely place to work. We started out at
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our hopes set on Michael; we wanted it to be a big- gave him a Mew t-shirt and he played the show Andrew Taub’s Brooklyn Recording. It’s a pretty cool
sounding rock album, [and we liked] the guitar sound wearing it, which was a big deal for us. Later we’d studio, with lots of weird old instruments. We did
he got with bands like Korn. Also, he had worked on bump into him playing the same festivals, and he most of the basic tracking there, had a month break,
many different types of music. We were considering just was always really nice. We went to see him in L.A. came back home, and did some recording in our
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producing it ourselves, back in Copenhagen. Then the when he was playing solo and asked him if he’d studio. Rich’s engineer, Charlie [Stavish], came with
night before we had to make the decision, Michael like to come do some background vocals and us, and we recorded a choir and some other
called us and said, “Yeah, I heard the demos. It seems guitars. He said sure, but that he was on tour and instruments. Then we went to Electric Lady for more
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interesting. Let’s talk.” Johan and Bo went to his would have to come back afterwards. He came back recording and mixed it there.
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Johan had left by then. Who played bass not totally satisfied, so we ended up moving to Studio Urei 1176 D compressor. The second mic was an
on that record? A. The difference was pretty stunning. Michael does [Audio-Technica] AT5040, which we sent through a
A few different people. Bastian Juel, who played with us this thing where he puts a pair of really big, stadium- Rostec [LMA8] preamp. Those are very fast and sound
live for many years after Johan had left, played on a sized, subwoofers in the room and he sends the kick amazing. I think we also used a dbx compressor on
lot of songs. Damon played on “Introducing Palace and snare back through them. We’d never done that that one. The third mic was a Wunder CM7, which I
Players.” He does this really complicated thing that before. We didn’t do it with him in L.A. because we really like, also going through a Rostec, and I think
just works. Bo plays some bass on it as well. It was a were having some problems with the studio next door directly into the DAW. At some point we were trying
very different record to make, because it was the first – complaints about loudness, because we recorded to use all three mics at once, but I was moving
one we did without having a bass player during the super loud. I’m glad we could do it this time. It makes around too much, making it virtually impossible to
writing process. It took us a while to figure it out. I the whole thing sit really powerfully, and the room just stay phase-aligned. I predominantly used the 251 on
ended up playing a lot of roots, and essentially sounds so massive. the leads. I shifted between all three for doubles and
stopped playing guitar. I almost felt like there wasn’t harmonies. Finally, for some really loud, high-pitched,
Michael Beinhorn and Mew
a need for it, and I’d rather find out root structures almost screaming layered vocals, I used a Shure SM7,
“I had no prior knowledge of Mew before coming
to sing on. I mostly wrote on a Korg synth, which which is my favorite mic for that kind of thing. I
onboard to produce ...And The Glass Handed Kites,
made it a very different process from what we were think, depending on what sound you’re after, there
which is generally how I prefer to work with artists
used to. The songs are quite different sounding. are definitely pros and cons to recording vocals in a
anyway. Their music struck me as a rare combination of
It’s very different from …Kites. You engaging, confusing, clever, and complicated. I was
dead room like that. On this album it was something
attribute it to writing as a three-piece? captivated and compelled. I saw my role as trying to
I really wanted to do, because I liked how it sat in
A lot. We had some really interesting results from having the basic tracking. It seemed to fit the album very
adjust the ratios of those ingredients until they felt just
to work like that, but it was definitely difficult, and well. I ended up doing my own comping. I sent the
right.” – Michael Beinhorn
it took longer to write. Even just having someone play results to Michael, who would write very detailed
<www.michaelbeinhorn.com>
root notes [on bass] as you’re writing is such a helpful notes for me like, “Can you try to hold that note a bit
thing, as well as making the groove happen. We had Frank’s a big advocate of 5.1. Did he longer?”. After awhile we had gotten to a place where
this really sloppy feel that we wanted to have on employ any new techniques? I could do most of it by myself. When it came to
some of the songs, like a really laid-back backbeat, so Oh, yeah! Did you know he’s mixing all sorts of Broadway harmonies and counter vocals, he was a great help
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it worked really well in those cases. Otherwise, doing musicals? We tried out these new SoundField too, because I tend to try out a lot of different stuff.
any rock songs, you’ve got to have that interaction microphones and got quite experimental. Oftentimes it’s too cluttered if I use all of it. So, as
between the bass player and the drummer. I read that you guys did pre-production usual, he was a good second pair of ears.
What was it like having Johan return for the new record. What did that Do you strive for pristine takes, or can
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for + -? Did you have to start any entail? you accept one that feels good, even
songs over in order for the bed We had spent a month with Michael here in our own if it’s not perfect?
tracks to feel right? studio – an old car repair garage. It was disgusting I try not to be too picky, in terms of pitch, because it
We got Johan on board long before we started laying
down tracks. Silas, Bo, and I had worked on the songs
for a good while. A lot of the songs had started to
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when we took it over, but we washed and painted it.
We started with a Lynx Aurora, but then we got two
[Universal Audio] Apollo Duos, which are great, and
becomes an obsession for me. I also have this idea
that I have to sing really high to convey the melody.
I have a few songs on this one that are a bit lower
came with some plug-ins we were interested in than what I’m used to. I decided not to try
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take shape, but we had fallen into the same way of
writing as we’d done on No More Stories... [their fifth experimenting with. overdubbing an octave higher on every song, because
album]. We all like that album very much, but we did Did anything you guys started at the I always feel inclined to do that.
not want to repeat ourselves. I was visiting L.A. and garage practice space make it to the Who is the guest vocalist on “Night
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had dinner with Michael Beinhorn. He had some great record? Believer” and “Water Slides?”
input on the process, as well as creativity in general Well, we did most of the writing there, apart from vocals, It’s Kimbra. Rich Costey was mixing and co-producing
and insights into what’s wrong with music today, which I mostly wrote at home. We also did a bit of her album and asked if I’d sing on her song, “The
which I agree with. It was quickly decided that he writing in a house in Sicily, back when we were trying Magic Hour.” It’s a beautiful track, and I jumped at
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should produce the album with us. He’s changed a to pinpoint what we wanted to do. We had hoped to the chance to do. She is a brilliant force of creativity,
little bit. All he cares about is creativity, and he has get the practice space into shape so we could do most and actually sang some backing vocals on “Interview
a very free way of thinking about it. He’s definitely of the record there, but we were not able to get a the Girls” as well.
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not in the music business for the money. One of his good enough drum sound. And there were too many Any other guest players on the record?
early, and best, suggestions was that we needed a standing waves for bass, even with a lot of wall We actually opened up a bit to co-writing on this album,
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bass player. We’d had some people come in and play coverings and bass traps. Guitar parts were another which is something we’ve never done before. Not on a
bass for us, as we were writing, but nothing had really matter, and Bo ended up recording most of them grand scale, but Russell Lissack came over to visit us in
panned out. So Michael gave us the last little push there. At one point we were located in different cells: Copenhagen for a few days and recorded some guitar
Bo doing guitars at our space, Silas doing percussion parts “My Complications.” He’s an amazing player, and
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With Michael back was Frank Filipetti home. We ended building a soundproof booth at my album, both in a recording and co-writing capacity. He’s
involved again too? apartment, set up a few mics, and did my vocals a very talented man, and he brought a lot to the song
Yes, he engineered the drums and bass at STC Studios. Bo there. It’s very comfortable for me to work at home. “Cross The River On Your Own.”
laid down scratch guitars; I did scratch keyboards and If I want, I can get up in the middle of the night and Both you and Michael are into modular
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vocals where needed so we could get an idea how the record. You don’t really need a studio to do vocals, so synths. The middle transition in
track would work. We were hoping to record in Studio it’s silly to rent an expensive space. The main vocal “Rows” sounds sliced up in an
C, and it did sound pretty sweet there; but it’s a small mic was Michael’s old [Telefunken E LAM] 251, going interesting way, with arpeggiated
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room and it wasn’t quite right. Frank and Michael were through an old Tube Tech MP1A, a dbx EQ, and his parts driving some songs.
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Michael brought his Serge [modular synth] system, which
was used a bunch of places on guitars. Bo was playing
guitar through his long chains, with multiple amps,
and they put the sum through the Serge to create
these bubbling, ethereal soundscapes. We added a bit
of electronic percussion and drums in places too,
some of which went through modulars. It takes forever
to set up patches, so it was a fine balance. The
arpeggiated synth was mostly an Analogue Systems
modular, although we also used soft synths in a few
places. We ran drums through all kinds of equipment
at one point, but eventually it just became too boomy
and chaotic for the tracks.
With such dense music, mixing must
be tough.
Mixing is always frustrating. I always feel like it’s a
compromise, so that’s my least favorite part. Even
though it’s wonderful to hear the song sounding great,
I always feel like, “Oh, but you can’t hear that harmony
anymore.” A lot of what we’ve been doing over the years
has been pretty dense, so I guess it suffers sometimes
when you’re not getting the idea across clearly. It does,
but there are always little things that go missing.
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songs and where?
We brought back Rich Costey. We had fun making the
album, but we did take our sweet time. The deadline was
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pushed back quite a number of times. This obviously
makes it hard to meet with other people’s schedules.
Rich is a sought after and busy mixer, so we had to do
it in a few bulks of time. We didn’t go to L.A., but we
Read more from this interview, and more from Michael Beinhorn,
Damon Tutunjian of Swirlies, and Christian Alex Petersen at
<tapeop.com>.
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Special thanks to Rob Thomson and Adam Daly.
bonus article:
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Kim Rosen built up her mastering skills and I didn’t even get as far as applying. At around the same So when projects came through the door,
reputation at West West Side Music, before time, someone I knew from my hometown, would it be like, “Do you want to work
branching off in 2009 to set up her own Knack Northampton, MA, was asking what I was up to. I told with a new person, or work with Alan?”
Mastering in Ringwood, NJ. Since going out on her him I wanted to get into the music industry, and he There was so much volume going through that studio, so
own, she’ s worked with Title Fight, Sarah Jaffe, put me in touch with Alan Douches [Tape Op #31]. there was a lot of opportunity. Bands would come in
Jeff Bridges, Braid, The Barr Brothers, Bettye Alan was looking for an intern and preferred someone with a few songs, and they trusted Alan when he told
LaVette, Basko Believes, a vinyl remaster for who he could train from the ground up. I was excited them I could master. I’d work the day shift doing
Superdrag’ s Headtrip in Every Key and even a for the opportunity and moved to NJ. I went in there production, then Alan would leave and I’d stay all
Johnny Cash remake of “ Bitter Tears” . knowing nothing. Alan wrote down step-by-step night doing masters. At first it wasn’t much, but it
instructions for what to do in Pro Tools, how to got to be a lot and I’d be there until one or two in
What led you to be a mastering sequence and prepare files and everything. I started the morning mastering. That’s what you do. You go
engineer? catching on to the production side of things really fast. in on the weekends. That’s the best way to learn, by
I was young. I didn’t have any kind of college going on. What were the hardest learning curves working as much as possible. You learn the most
I wasn’t really sure what I wanted to do. I had a lot for you? when you’re getting in there and making mistakes.
of music in my youth – [mainly] musicals and Going in and deciding what I wanted to do. There was an When I’m hiring a mastering engineer
performing and a lot of show tunes. engineer [Jesse Cannon] there at night doing some I want somebody who’s already made a
What kind of instruments did you play? tracking and mixing. I didn’t go in knowing I wanted thousand of those mistakes.
I didn’t. I sang and I tap danced for twelve years. to master; I just wanted to be involved in whatever You’re always learning. Every project I work on, even
There was a lot of music in my family, and I always was happening at the studio. I remember assisting a today, is different. New technology, new ideas.
loved it. When I got around the age where my session with Jesse, and it was this crazy young band. People who don’t have much experience can
peers were already graduating from college and I I remember thinking, “I can’t deal with this.” I didn’t sometimes approach music in a very abstract way
had done essentially nothing, I thought it would want to hang with a bunch of guys and babysit or that nobody else ever thought of before. Back then
be a good time to figure out a profession. I knew micromanage them. I spent a lot of time at night all I had were my ears. My goal then was the same as
nothing about audio engineering, but I was listening in the mastering room and doing production now: make the recording sound better without
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interested in it. I started thinking about going to work, bouncing projects down and finalizing things. I screwing anything up. You’ve just got to use your
Berklee [College of Music]. loved listening to all different kinds of music. That’s ears. That’s the big hurdle, knowing how to listen.
You’d have to major in an instrument as when I started getting into mastering. Within a year How would you help someone improve
well. and a half I was taking on my own projects. his or her listening skills?
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it’s really as good as it can get. a few hours. It’s not even scheduled ahead of time. confident that I’ll know what to do.
You’ve got to stop somewhere. It’s all unattended. In my opinion, it’s better for the Craig: Is there a style that you feel like
In those early days, I probably spent longer than I client to listen in their own environment anyway. you’re really well suited for?
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needed to; but that’s something you learn with time. There aren’t many people who can go into a I’m well suited for really great mixes! That’s what makes
Did Alan QC [Quality Control] your work mastering room they’ve never been in, know what me happy and gets me going on a session; mixes that
initially? they’re hearing, and be able to make good judgment sound like I don’t want to do anything! Even when I
Yep, just about everything I did, in the beginning. I calls. Some people can, but for most people it’s not don’t want to do much, those are the moments that
remember the first time I mastered something on my
own. I think it was a single for a friend of mine who
was an electronic dance music producer. He sent me
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what they’re used to. I’d rather have the client listen
on their car stereo, or home stereo; wherever they’re
used to listening to. They’ll make better calls on what
really push me as a mastering engineer; to find a way
to do something while doing nothing. Early in my
career, I’d always thought how easy it must be to
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this EDM track, just one song. I mastered a couple of I’m doing, and they’ll be happier with the final work on a nearly perfect mix. I’ve found it’s just a
versions of it, and I must have spent three or four product. That’s the goal. different challenge. How do you elevate that sound
hours on it. I was totally zoned in. I gave it to my What kind of monitors are you using? without messing up the mix, the imaging, and the
friend; he loved it and thought it was awesome. I I have ProAc 140 Mk2s. I love them. I also use the little dynamics? There are people on the other side that
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remember leaving the project up and open for Alan Pelonis [Sound Model] 42s for referencing. I started send tracks to mastering and want it to sound
to listen to, because he wanted to hear it. I was off with Alon 1s, which are an older speaker. They different. They want to get that feeling like, “Oh, my
nervous about what he might say. I came in the next worked for about a year or so, but I really needed to gosh. They just made it into a completely different
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day for work late in the afternoon. He called me into take a step up. I went and listened to the 140s, and record.” I’m not about that, unless I’m specifically
the control room and handed me a glass of wine. He they were it. Just perfect. I listened to the more asked to do it. I assume the mix comes in as it was
said, “Cheers to your first successful mastering expensive ProAcs as well. They sounded good, but I intended to be.
session!” Then he gave me a pair of Sennheiser felt some kind of connection with these speakers. When I send something to mastering, I’ve
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headphones, which I’ve had ever since. HD 580s. Speakers are a really personal thing. The most got it really close. I just want them to
Good reference. important thing is that you’re intimately familiar with double-check and assemble it.
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That seems like a really valuable way to whatever you use. Sometimes I’ll go to changing the settings on my
start off your career. What are some of the key pieces in converters. There are settings on my Lavry Blues:
Yeah. He’s got a really great, and well-deserved, your rack? analog saturation and digital saturation. You can
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reputation. There were a lot of different genres of I have a Fearn VT-7 [compressor], which is the turn that on or off so it clips them more, and then
music going through; but he always had, and still cornerstone. I have an Avalon AD 2055, the non- I can bring in my PL-2 to keep it from clipping.
has, his finger on the pulse of metal. I’ll always be mastering version of their parametric EQ. It’s a Things like that don’t involve adding EQ or
extremely grateful to Alan for giving me the pretty soft EQ, but there’s something about how it compression, but it’s still having an effect and
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opportunity to find, and now actually do, what I love works with the Fearn that’s really nice. I also have doing something good. A lot of times, that’s what
every day. a Pendulum PL-2 [peak limiter], and a pair of Lil I’ll play with on those occasions when I don’t want
How long did you work at West West Side FrEQs from Empirical Labs. Converters make a huge to do much, but I want to do something to elevate
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Music? difference. I have Lavry Blues. Then there’s the it in some way.
Seven years. 2002 through 2009. Metric Halo interface that’s kind of the central What are some of the things that would
What prompted moving and opening nervous system. It handles my routing and be good advice for people building a
your own place? monitor control duties. There’s always a wish list, studio?
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your room acoustics. mastering and cutting, is such a nice guy. Jeff
How do you deal with revisions? Lipton [Tape Op #34] at Peerless is a friend, along
The good thing is how I start a project... I start with one with Maria Rice who works there. She’s awesome.
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or two songs. I go through revisions with those initial Cameron Henry here at Welcome to 1979 has been a
tracks, until the client is happy. Sometimes there will huge help for me as I refine the way I master for
be no revisions on the initial mastering. Sometimes vinyl. So much knowledge about the vinyl format
there will be, and then I have a better idea about how has been lost over the years, so with the recent
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they’re expecting the project to sound. If there’s one
round of changes, I do it for free. Anything beyond that
gets billed hourly. I can’t remember any time that it’s
resurgence you really need to know how to do it
right. Cameron knows what he’s doing, and what it
takes to make sure something sounds fantastic on
added more than an hour of extra time. I always vinyl. I know a few engineers, but really nobody that
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process two pairs of tracks. When I’m recording in, I I talk with on a regular basis. We’re kind of in our
process my mastering, and then I process a set of caves and we do our work. That’s why coming out
tracks without any final peak limiting. If they want a here [to Welcome to 1979’s Recording Summit] is
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small EQ change on some track, I’ll bring up the track really nice. You get to see other engineers – not just
that’s not peak limited and make that change in the mastering engineers – and make connections.
box. Then I’m done. If they want a broader change Last year you got to meet Ryan Freeland
across the board, such as having everything a little bit here [Tape Op #101]. Is that what led to
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louder, then I’ll recall my settings and do it that way. working with him?
How do you deal with the business of It happened because of this summit last year. I was on a
running this, plus dealing with the panel, and Ryan was the engineer you were going to
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clients and the work coming in… interview. He was checking out the summit website
It’s all me! That is what working at the studio really ahead of time, checked out my stuff, and emailed me.
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prepared me for. I wore so many hats there and was so He said that he’d be interested to hear some of my
busy. I’d be there at 9 or 10 in the morning doing mastering on his mixes and sent me a test master. He
production work, office work, billing, scheduling… was like, “All right, your mastering is better than mine.
everything. Now I’m turning a corner where I really need I’d love to send you some projects.” That was it! The
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help. Answering emails the right way can take a big bread and butter of what I do, and the most enjoyable
chunk out of your day! I don’t tend to have problems part of my work, are the relationships with the
with billing. The way I have it set up for the majority of engineers that I work with on a repeat basis. r
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clients is, “Here’s your invoice; when you pay me, I’ll Read more from Kim’s interview at <tapeop.com>.
give you your full sequence for review.” But that’s also a <www.knackmastering.com>
hard thing to wrap my head around. Like most mastering
bonus article:
engineers, I’m kind of a control freak. I’d rather know
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Craig: What do you think about
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Kyle Lehning’s recording and production career is one You’re mixing down live to 2-track? What instrument were you playing?
to be reckoned with, featuring artists like Waylon KL: Well, I had two Tandbergs. One of them was a three- KL: I was playing guitar and keyboards at the time.
Jennings, Randy Travis, England Dan & John Ford Coley, head machine, but the other one was a two-head When we finished the tapes I talked to my dad, who
Kenny Rogers, and George Jones, plus a stint running machine so I could overdub on it. What I would do is was incredibly supportive of this crazy idea of trying
Asylum Records in Nashville. His son, Jason Lehning, record on the three-head machine, mix those two to be in the music business. He said, “You remember
caught the bug early on and has worked steadily as an tracks down to one track and record it on the other Ray Butts? He’s down in Nashville. Why don’t you call
engineer, producer, musician, and songwriter. I caught machine, overdub on that track, and then bounce him?” The night that we finished mixing the tapes,
up with the two of them at Kyle’s studio, The Compound, back. I kept going back and forth. It got a little hissy, my buddy, Don Dickerson, and I drove from Paducah
located behind his home in Nashville. You couldn’t ask but it was cool. I figured it out. to Nashville, about a two and half hour drive at the
to hang out with nicer folks, and the amount of It’s a great way to learn. What was the time. Ray got us two appointments with record
experience they bring to the table is staggering. jump that led you working at Tompall company people. This was ‘67. The first guy we saw
Glaser’s place? was Billy Sherrill. He was running Epic Records at the
Kyle, what was it that originally got you KL: I grew up in Cairo, Illinois, a little southern Illinois time, producing all those great records. He listened to
into studios as an engineer? town at the confluence of the Ohio and Mississippi all three songs on our tape, from beginning to end.
KL: I was interested in recording since I was a kid. I’m rivers. It was a great place to grow up. There was a He said it sounded cool, but didn’t hear anything
not unique in this. I started out with a Wollensak guy who lived in Cairo named Ray Butts. He invented right for them. So Ray set up another meeting for us,
[tape deck] and then had a couple of Tandberg this guitar amp called the EchoSonic. In the ‘50s, he and that meeting was with Felton Jarvis, who was
[decks], as well as a couple of mixers. I think I still built a guitar amplifier that essentially had an Elvis’s [Presley] producer at RCA. If I had really known
have one of my mixers upstairs, a modified Bogen PA Echoplex built into the amplifier. Scotty Moore found who these guys were, and what was going on, I
mixer that got shifted into an actual small recording it and started playing it live on the road. Then Chet probably wouldn’t have been able to play the tape or
console. It was a six-input mixer with a mono output. Atkins saw it and asked about it. Chet drove to Cairo anything. But I was young, naïve, and didn’t really
Claude Hill, who was working at Glaser Brothers to meet Ray and convinced him to move to Nashville know. Felton was really sweet. He said it was cool
studio [Glaser Sound] where I ended up working in and work at RCA Studios. That was around ‘62. By ‘67, what we were doing, and in a kind way he was saying
Nashville, modified them. I had two of them. He put I had been playing in a rock ’n’ roll band for some we didn’t have a great singer. He said, “You know, you
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in Jensen mic pres. It sounded great. Whenever I was time. I went into a little studio in Paducah, Kentucky, might want to find a female singer.” Jefferson
going to do stereo, one output went into the left side with my buddy, Don Dickerson, and the rest of our Airplane had just come out, so he suggested we do
of the Tandberg, and the other six went into the right band. The studio was really good, in retrospect. They that. We went on the hunt for a female singer in
side. I multed channels together. I had two six- had Ampex mixers and tape machines, Neumann Nashville, and that’s where I met Jason’s mom, Vicki.
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channel Bogens so I could do stereo. It was fun. It mics, and Altec monitors. I fell in love with it, right She ended up singing with the band.
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months in a studio I knew a bit more than I did sounding. Five minutes after I said, “Roy Halee would
before. So we moved back up to Nashville and I know how to do this,” I was on the phone with Roy. I
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started working in Tompall’s studio. held him in such high esteem. The sweetest thing he
What sessions were you doing in the said to me when I explained the problem was, “Yeah,
studio? that is a problem. I’m not sure, but here are a couple of
KL: It was an incredibly eclectic collection. This was the things you can try.” Both of which worked. [His
Dave recorded James Brown and Wayne Cochran & the the Texas Jewboys, but that was one of the acts that him work. It changed everything. I was 24 when I got
C.C. Riders. I got to the point where I could mess were there. I got to spend time on that. There was a to do that. It opened up everything.
around in the studio a little bit, but I still couldn’t get wonderful recording engineer named Lee Hazen who Yeah, he was intensely creative. There
a job. A guy named Leland Russell came to Nashville had worked at Woodland Recording Studio. He had didn’t seem to be any boundaries
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from Jackson, Mississippi to buy a 16-track multitrack gone independent; he would come use the Glaser with him.
in ‘72. He was looking for a young engineer who might studio and I would assist him. I learned a ton from KL: In 1974, when I spent that week with him, he had
want to come work in his studio in Jackson. Leland was backing him up. There were some gospel records that two Ampex 1200 16-track decks locked together. It
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a young guy, managing a band there. Dave and Claude a producer named Bob MacKenzie made that were was like a SMPTE [timecode] system, but it was before
introduced me to him. We met and liked each other. pretty big sounding records. Lee also recorded and that existed. I remember him sitting there saying that
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Jason was six months old at the time, and we moved to mixed Jimmy Buffet’s A White Sport Coat and a Pink he had it so nailed [sync-wise] that he could put the
Jackson, Mississippi. I started working at this studio Crustacean. I was the assistant on that. Then Parker left side of the drums on one side of the machine and
called Alpha Sound. Leland had a live sound company, McGee moved to Nashville, and he and I continued to the right side on the other that there would be no
also called Alpha Sound. He was managing a band do demos together. I also engineered three Waylon phase cancellation. He was running 30 tracks in 1974
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called Zuider Zee that was ultimately signed to Jennings albums and ended up playing piano with with no automation! Watching him mix was like
Columbia. They were a Beatles-esque rock/pop group him on the road for about six months. I had originally watching some wild man behind the console. He was
with a guy named Richard Orange who lives in Memphis gone out to work with his wife, Jessi Colter. She was flying from one end to the other, grabbing this,
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now; he’s a great singer-songwriter. I started recording playing piano and I was playing a Rhodes and an ARP swinging that, starting and stopping the machine.
in Jackson. The studio, oddly enough, had been owned String Ensemble; it was a really grim-sounding thing. That’s where I learned that you don’t have to mix from
by B.J. Thomas at one time. It was one of the early Tom It was weird. I went out with them, and Waylon asked beginning to end. You can cut it together. He’d
Hidley studios, so there was an API console and these me to stay on stage and play with them. literally work on the intro for two or three hours until
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massive JBL monitors that were hung by chains from Who was producing those records? he got that and then move on to the next piece. The
the wall. There were Scully tape machines. We had a 4- KL: The first record was produced by Willie Nelson, and thing was is, up until that point, I thought. “Well, he’s
track and some Fairchild spring [reverb] units. We were it was actually the first number one record Waylon a genius. That’s why his records sound great. He’s a
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off and running, trying to make Sgt. Pepper’s… with had. It was a song called “This Time.” When Waylon genius, and I’m not.” When I got there, I walked into
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the hallway of the studio, and there was this explosive sound coming out of the
control room. I saw a guy there who I’d known in Nashville that was now working in
San Francisco with Roy. I said, “What’s going on?” He said, “You hear that sound
coming out of the control room?” I said, “Yeah, what is that?” He said, “It’s not what
it is. It’s that it’s day five, and that’s all I’ve heard come out of the control room.”
Right then and there I thought, “He may be a genius, but he’s got the time and the
money to make the vision a reality.” I didn’t have those kinds of resources. It takes
some courage in order to pull all that off. It was a phenomenal experience.
There are a lot of people who get complacent in the recording
process because you can throw up some mics and get a half-
decent sound, but there’s always further to go.
KL: I think today it’s even easier to be complacent, because the sounds that he was
generating were impossible. Now there’s a plug-in for everything. To push those
boundaries further is a really interesting challenge. Then, from there, Parker McGee
kept writing songs. Eventually he wrote a song called “I’d Really Love to See You
Tonight.” I cut the demo on the song, and through a long, convoluted story, I ended
up producing that song for a group called England Dan & John Ford Coley. It was the
first record I got to produce myself, and it sold a million copies.
Someone liked the sound of your demo more than a new
version that had been cut?
KL: Right. You know how it is. Somehow they felt that the guy who had cut the demo
made something more special than the record they’d recorded. Susan Joseph was
managing the band, and she’d gotten a singles deal with Doug Morris at Big Tree
Records at the time. She convinced Doug that this unknown kid in Hendersonville,
Tennessee could make a hit record with these guys. Doug let her do it. The record
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that he heard was the record that had convinced him to sign. She let me have a shot
at it. It was very, very lucky. It was number two on the pop charts for seven weeks,
because Elton John and Kiki Dee had “Don’t Go Breaking My Heart” going. It
wouldn’t get out of the way. We stayed at number two for seven or eight weeks. It
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That’s a good calling card. Did your career blossom after that?
KL: It did, for a while. Things went up and down. I ended up working at Atlantic for
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Doug Morris. He went to Atlantic Records, and I was an in-house producer for a
couple of years. I didn’t really have any big hits, and after a couple of years we
parted company. I went back into independent producing. You can’t always cut hits
when you’re producing, but I was a pretty decent and reliable recording engineer. I
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mixed and cut tracks as much as I could until I got another opportunity to produce
something. I did that and am still doing that!
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Nashville’s a phenomenal songwriting community. Back in those days, there were lots
of independent publishers and songwriters around. It was not easy to find a hit, but
there sure was a lot to pick from. You had a lot of great songwriters. There were
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KL: Oh yeah, sure. When you have some hits going, to be visible and have success will
draw people to you. There were songs coming, by a lot. I’d also make trips to
different publishers and sit down for an hour to listen to as many songs as possible.
Publishers are great because their egos aren’t involved with it. I can listen to a verse,
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a chorus, and then skip on to the next song. You can get through a lot of material
that way.
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KL: I’m trying to think if I’ve ever been in a pitch meeting with a songwriter. I don’t
think so. It can be really brutal. I’m notorious for not remembering who wrote what,
because it doesn’t really matter to me! The only thing that ever mattered to me was
whether the song seemed like it would be right for what I was working for.
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a shot at being a country artist. Keith went on to produce Alan Jackson; he also signed
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“Oh, maybe traditional country has a purpose!”
It takes someone to point it out every once in a while. People
wanted something like that.
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KL: But, you know, it wasn’t like I got up in the morning knowing, “Oh, I know what
everybody needs!” The reason it happened was that Keith played me a cassette and I
was captivated by the integrity of the voice and what was going on. I figured it was
worth my time.
Jason, while all this was going on, you were growing up. My dad
didn’t engineer and produce, so I always wondered what it’d
be like to grow up with that around.
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JL: It was great. There was always a cast of characters coming and going from the house.
There was always a studio to go hang out in. Before he had his own place, Lee Hazen
had a place in his basement in Hendersonville, and I would go there after school and
hang out. It was really fun.
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doing it, home recording had taken off, so even then he wasn’t as into the recording
studio as I was. He’s also more of a musician than an engineer, so recording was a
necessary evil. But yeah, I really loved recording. I fell for it right away. I had a 4-track
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cassette recorder, a little Tascam, up in my bedroom. I’d spend hours up there with a
sequencer, a drum machine, and a guitar.
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of like-minded guys who weren’t interested in playing shows. We wanted to goof off in the
studio. I remember one day Dad took me over there and said, “Okay, here you go.” It was
about a four-hour lesson in signal flow, and then he said, “Good luck,” and left!
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JL: In Hendersonville.
Was that your home set up?
KL: Originally the studio was called Funky, But Music. We shouldn’t really have named it
that. I had a partner, Tony Gottlieb, who’s like an uncle to all these guys. His dad, Lou
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Gottlieb, was in the Limeliters. I met Tony when I was working at Glaser. We decided to
start this little publishing company and ended up having a studio out there. [Bassist]
David Hungate from Toto would come play sessions when he moved to Nashville. One
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JL: I don’t think so. It was a really fun way to learn how to do things. For better or
worse, there was no economy attached to it. It really was us going and playing with
the gear. It was a great way to learn how to do it.
Are some of the guys who were doing that with you in high
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JL: None of them are doing it professionally. In fact, it wasn’t until college and after
college that I worked with people doing it professionally. I was 15 or 16 years old.
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KL: The music was really interesting. Jason’s being a little bit modest about it. It was
the kind of thing where I’d walk in there and go, “Now what the hell is that?” There
was no place in my vocabulary for how to make it sound like that. It was really pretty
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interesting music. I remember Billy Joe Walker, who’s a great Nashville session
guitarist, would come to the studio to work from time to time and he’d always ask
to hear what they’re doing. I’d have to play it for him, and he’d go, “Wow! What’s
going on?” You guys did play a couple of gigs. It was pretty cool.
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JL: Yeah. We got good at being what we were and took it seriously until it was no fun.
We’re all still good friends. It lasted through college into the summers.
Did you go straight to Berklee?
JL: No, I went to North Carolina. My high school girlfriend got into UNC. I didn’t even
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apply there. I knew there was no way I was going to get in from out of state. The
closest place I could get in was UNC Greensboro. I knew I wanted to go to Berklee,
but I didn’t want to go there for four years. I went to a state school where I could
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JL: Yeah. I did take some classes there. I didn’t like Greensboro, so I transferred to NC
State in Raleigh my second year. I had a great music class there. After one semester
in Raleigh, I’d taken everything I could transfer, so halfway through my sophomore
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year I went to Boston and started at Berklee. I was there for two and a half years.
What was your focus there?
JL: Production and engineering. I did it because I knew it was what I wanted to end up
doing, but it was also an easy choice because I was already doing it. The production
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program there is great, but if I could do it again, I’d just take arranging courses.
KL: You’d been playing piano since you were like six or seven though.
JL: I came up playing. You have to play an instrument if you’re going to Berklee, which
was great. The arranging classes that I did take were really good.
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great experience.
How come you didn’t use your dad?
KL: I wouldn’t have been the right guy for that. At the time, I had a studio at my house
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over on Wimbledon Road. I was running Asylum Records too, at the time, so I was
definitely off on a different path. I still think that record you guys made is phenomenal.
Did it do well?
JL: No, it tanked. You can’t even get it. It’s not on iTunes... it disappeared!
KL: Yeah, I’ve got a couple of those.
JL: That was a really fun project. I grew up in a country music town and a country music
environment, but that was never what I was listening to as a kid. It was an important
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record for me to do, because we were trying to make pop music. In Nashville in the ‘90s,
if you were trying to make pop music it was horrible. From there I kept doing things. I
still work on a lot of country records and enjoy it, but that was a fun one for me.
It feels like the town’s changed a lot over the years.
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country and pop records. Elvis was recording here, as well as Bob Dylan. It was really an
“anything can happen” place. Then, in the ‘70s and ‘80s, it ratcheted down to basically
country and Christian. Starting in the mid-‘90s, things blew up again. I don’t think it’s
ever going to be anything but really eclectic, from here on out.
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KL: Yeah, that’s right. I think the young people migrating here are typical of young folks
who are interested in all kinds of music. They love great country music, but they also
love alternative. They love great music. I think it’s a really exciting time here.
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KL: Well, this is in the late ‘80s and country music really exploded. Along with Randy Travis,
who started the trend, Alan Jackson was huge, and Garth Brooks blew the doors off.
Major record companies started going, “Hey, wait a minute... there’s a lot of money to
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be made in the genre.” Atlantic had a successful country label. When I started, there
were 20 or so major-funded record companies in Nashville. Bob Krasnow, who was the
chairman of Elektra Entertainment, decided he wanted to get into the country music
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go to that side of the business came up. Bob Krasnow called Kelleigh Bannen on Universal Nashville. It’s my
was this fascinating entrepreneur record mogul guy. I first country production. I’ve done some alt country
really liked him, and it felt like the right shift to make production, but it’s my first major label country
at that time. We opened the label. A lot of people say, record. That was a really fun experience. I’m doing a
“Wow, you ran Asylum with The Eagles, Linda fair amount of writing. I always wrote music, but I
Ronstadt, Joni Mitchell, and Jackson Browne.” Well, started digging into it, writing with purpose.
none of them were on Asylum by the time I got the Do you have a publishing company
name. They had mothballed the name and moved all pushing your songs?
those artists into the Elektra family. I started a record JL: Yeah, there’s a company I’m signed to called Green &
company with no catalog. It put a certain pressure on Bloom that’s based out of New York and Los Angeles.
us to come up with something special and unique. They’re a joint venture with BMG.
That didn’t happen right away. It was really hard to Kyle, what have you been doing lately?
get it going. We eventually had some success and KL: I haven’t been producing a lot. I did a single on a kid
some hits. It was a fascinating experience to do that. last year for a country record that didn’t really
What years were those? happen, but it was a fun project. I’ve been doing
KL: I ran it from ‘92 to ‘98. Bob Krasnow was there not some really interesting, fun things. I engineered and
quite two years, and then they brought Sylvia Rhone mixed the last record that Ray Price made, that Fred
in to run Elektra. Much to her credit, and my luck, she Foster produced and Bergen White arranged. Fred and
didn’t fire me right away. We were starting to have Bergen are both good friends of mine. They called to
some success about the time that she came in, so she ask me if I wanted to be involved in the record. We’d
let me stay. I was up for a contract negotiation in ‘98, recorded at Ocean Way [Nashville] with a live rhythm
and we really couldn’t see eye to eye on how that section and orchestra, all on the floor at the same
needed to go. By that time I was fried, so we parted time. I hadn’t been able to do that in quite a while,
company amicably. but I had done it on a number of occasions in the ‘70s
Had you had any time to produce and and ‘80s. It was so much fun. Bergen is a wonderful
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KL: I did. I didn’t do a lot of recording, but I did some parts, the whole thing. They’d count the tune off, and
producing. It was fun to be able to do that. I much there was the record. Boom! You don’t have to use
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preferred being in the studio to being in marketing your imagination. Ray passed away right before the
meetings. I had an incredible opportunity to run a record got released, but he did hear it and signed off
major-funded record company. If I was successful, it on the mixes. Working with Fred Foster – who’s a
was because we made some good choices. If I failed, legend – was incredible fun. He’s such an interesting
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most important thing I learned about it is that, as a
record producer, and I know you feel this, there’s
character. He’s 82 years old.
He did the Roy Orbison sessions, right?
That’s crazy.
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always a sense that I know I’ve made hit records that KL: Yeah. He owned Monument Records, Combine
a record company wasn’t smart enough to know what Publishing, and Monument Recording Studios. He
to do with. If they let me run the company, I’ll show signed Dolly Parton, Ray Stevens, and Kris
them what a genius I am. What I found out, fairly Kristofferson. Fred’s really an interesting guy. I’ve
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quickly, is that it doesn’t matter how much I believe worn Fred out asking him how he did different
in something. If the public doesn’t want it, you can’t sessions. He remembers everything. It’s exciting.
make them buy it. It was really helpful to me to learn Ironically, early next month I’m engineering a session
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that. It gave me a lot of compassion for people who for Zac Brown, and Zac owns Fred’s old studio.
run record companies, especially today. I think record Southern Ground Studios is the old Monument
companies get ragged on a lot by folks who think Recording Studio. I’m going to cut a track for them.
they’re evil. I’m not in that category. I think they’re Is it almost like a vacation to step in and
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anybody who wants to take on that challenge and try go do this if it’s not something I’m genuinely
to make something like that work. It’s not a interested in. I’ve had my time in the barrel; I’ve had
particularly fun time to be doing that. hits and awards. My enthusiasm for sitting in the
What projects have both of you guys been
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went to Echo Mountain in Asheville, North Carolina, to KL: Last year Jason was producing something for a TV
track it. It was great. It was a really well run studio. show, and he hired me to cut all the tracks. We had so
The band’s a duo, so I hired a bass player, Lex Price, much fun in the studio. I think the players all enjoyed
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and drummer, Ian Fitchuk, to come with us. I hired an the “father and son” vibe. The TV show wasn’t
engineer, Konrad Snyder, to come with us too. We particularly great, but the records were really fun.
tracked that there, and then brought it back here for JL: It was like a reality show, so every cast member got
a week to do some overdubs and vocals. Now I’m to do a song, sometimes two. It was great, because I
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going to sing it, and then the tracking session was KL: No. It was great fun for me, because Jason has a
Friday. We’d have the band set up and cut the song, whole different tribe of guys he’s working with than I
and after lunch I’d have the singer sing it and rough grew up with. I got to experience a big group of
in the comp. At five they’d roll in a video crew and knuckleheads that were really fun to work with.
stand-in band to what we’d tracked that day. It was JL: There was one session where you made a suggestion
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really fun and super creative. And the artists were all and I disagreed with it, but it was clearly the right
very talented. idea. When we listened back to it, the bass player said
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What was the show? Read more from this interview at <tapeop.com>.
JL: It’s called Crazy Hearts: Nashville. It’s already
canceled. It was canceled before the first season was <jasonlehning.squarespace.com>
over. bonus article:
KL: That version of “Ain’t No Sunshine” is really good.
What Turtles tune was it you guys did?
JL: Bob Dylan’s “It Ain’t Me Babe.”
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going to record, and I’d be thinking, “God, how are
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I was assisting at a Nashville studio called Nightingale, one was there I’d mix every night until the sun came
working for an engineer by the name of Joe Bogan up, trying to figure out how to do things. Somehow I
who made a lot of good records in L.A. with George got to cut a demo, which turned into another one or
Benson and Seals & Crofts. He was a great guy to two, and then she asked me to cut a record. I’d never
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learn from. As an assistant, I got to work on done a record – I didn’t know how to make a record!
everything that was coming through the place, from It’s a lot different when you’re assisting; it’s a lot of
Randy Travis to B.B. King. All over the map. In the paperwork, setup, and just trying to stay ahead of the
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late ‘80s Chuck Ainlay [Tape Op #97] came in to engineer. But to take a record from beginning to
record the [Strength in Numbers’] Telluride Sessions end... I had a big budget.
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featuring Jerry Douglas, Béla Fleck, Sam Bush, Edgar What album was that?
Meyer, and Mark O’Connor. It was fucking It was a Christmas record [Home for Christmas]. I had no
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unbelievable to assist on that after all of the other business working with her at that point. I was in over
stuff we’d been working on. They took two days just my head all the time for most of my early career. I was
to get sounds. We spent a whole day trying to decide scared to death. I think I met Alison on the second
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between 15 or 30 ips [inches per second, tape record I did with Dolly. We brought her in to sing
speed]. It was the first record, for me, where tone was harmony vocals. At the time, Alison was looking to
just as important as the song, performance, and make a change, sonically. From working together on
everything else. It had been about speed and the Dolly album, she apparently liked what I did, and
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quantity, up to that point. hired me to cut tracks for the Alison Krauss and The
Nashville is especially known for speed. Cox Family [I Know Who Holds Tomorrow] album. I
It’s probably because it’s expensive when you’ve got a was just supposed to work for a couple of days, but
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room full of guys. Back then, 15 or 20 years ago, by the end of that first day she asked if I would stay
when a lot of guys we were working with were double for the whole record. I think we made eight records
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or triple scale and studios were going at prime rates, together after that, mostly with her and Union
you had to move quickly. Sometimes that meant that Station. It was a daunting undertaking, to dive into
tone and dynamics became a secondary thing. Then a new genre without a firm grasp of the fundamentals
these guys came in and made tone and mic’ing of the music. The band was amazing with that. They
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techniques a priority, and the music benefited from took me in and made sure I got educated on all the
it. Honestly, from that moment on, I knew exactly classic records. They knew all the great musicians and
what I wanted to do. I bought the same monitors singers. Of all the records the band played for me, the
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Chuck was using. Everything about that session was ones that spoke to me the most were those that Bill
what I wanted to do, going forward. Wolf engineered. The Tony Rice records – Manzanita,
Chuck’s a great example. He’s on a quest for in particular. That record pushed a lot of boundaries
fidelity, but also a very personable guy. and influenced a generation of young musicians and
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Chuck’s the best. He’s fairly typical of the Nashville vibe, engineers. I still look up to him. He’s a badass.
in that if you need help, he’s going to help you. If I’m You obviously learned a lot along
going to record an artist that he’s worked with before, the way, but do you feel you made
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Many… many. I still have never had the courage to go And it was a mutual recognition of that A lot of times too, the process informs
back and listen to that Dolly Parton record again. I fact too. the sound. If somebody comes to you
found it on cassette about three days ago and was Yes. In other cases, if the engineering wasn’t happening for a sound but they don’t follow the
tempted to hook up the machine, but I thought on a rough day, you’d just fucking fight through it. same process, you won’t get the same
better of it. The truth is that there are only four or It’s money, and everybody’s time is limited because result.
five records I’ve made that I’ve been able to listen to bands are busy on the road. Obviously there are a lot Exactly. Alison was such a brilliant arranger, and she left
and not get really depressed. I’m pretty sure anybody more records that I do now (and everybody does) space for me to work with. Other people will come to
worth a shit would tell you the same thing. I think where tone is that important. But, other than seeing me for how I approach depth and width, but if the
that’s more a product of mixing records “back in the that with the Telluride Sessions record, this was new production doesn’t allow for it, it’s not going to have
day” where there was no instant recall, no “version to me. They also talked to me a lot about tone, about the same result.
12” mix, before it goes off to mastering. I think banjo tone or upright bass tone. I learned a lot from How did the Sugar Hill Records A&R job
mixing was more of a performance back then – every one of those guys in the band. come about?
everybody had hands on faders, twisting knobs on the What studios were you working out of? They had hinted at me doing A&R for them when we
fly, and embracing commitment. That process led to We were working at that same studio I used to assist at. crossed paths during the Nickel Creek and Dolly
a lot of magic, but it also meant that you could have It was called Nightingale, and then it became Parton bluegrass records. It really didn’t even cross
gotten an entirely different performance the next Seventeen Grand Recording. We cut some at Emerald my mind that that would be something I wanted to
week, or even the next day. It’s hard to not look back [Sound Studios] and moved around a little bit, but it do. The truth is that I loved making records for that
and wish you could have done things differently. I’m was Seventeen Grand Recording for almost all of it. label. It was a family owned company; they were
currently re-mixing a record called So Long, So Wrong Was that by choice, since you’d worked loyal and very good to me. The first Nickel Creek
that I did 18 years ago with Alison and Union there already? record we did for $24,000, and we sold a million, so
Station. It’s a pretty incredible record, with amazing Yeah, being a young engineer it was the one room that they were happy. They found out that I had worked
songs and ridiculous performances. That record was I knew really well. I knew where to put everybody. for free for a couple weeks, because with Alison and
tough, because Alison wasn’t used to hearing her Each iso booth had a strength that suited either I, if you ran out of money you just kept going. It
vocal recorded the way I was recording it, with more upright, vocals, mandolin, or whatever. Then we was never about the money. Good things follow
detail on the top-end. She was also singing a little
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would come here, to what was Alison’s studio at the good work. It didn’t even cross my mind to mention
breathier, not quite as hard. Maybe it was because of time, to do overdubs. I mixed all over the place. Still, to anybody I was working for free. A guy at the label
the way that she was hearing it in the headphones. eighty percent of what I do today I learned from found out about it and sent me a couple thousand
We were still trying to find our way as a team. It was Alison and the guys. Alison and her approach to dollars out of the blue.
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too exposed for her comfort, so she consistently dynamics and space, her patience in making you wait That usually doesn’t happen in the
wanted to bring the vocals down in the mix. My fix until the third chorus to hear all those harmony parts music business.
to still make it heard was to make it wetter. Big – it’s unlike with a lot of country, or pop, where Absolutely. I’d worked for pretty much every label out
mistake. Of course we hated it a couple of months everything comes in with the first downbeat. She there at that point. When they asked the second
from then. So now, 18 years later, I get to fix that. Or
at least try to.
It’s hard. Sometimes you just can’t
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well, the listener will still be there with you.
I would assume that those records led to
time, I was basically burned out from working 24/7
on records. Sometimes you find yourself in the
studio for days on end just comping and mixing –
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change it. a lot of other people searching you countless hours alone. It was nice to stop doing that
That may be the case with this one. I love the remix, so out as well. exclusively. I love developing artists. We all have
far. It’s amazing how in tune and in time it is – Yeah, it led to everything. There were other records that those projects we’re doing for free, just trying to get
without any digital manipulation. We worked so hard people sought me out for, but ninety percent of what somebody off the ground. To me, this was going to
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on those records. We all laugh about it now. These followed came from [working with] Alison. The be a prime chance to get in and do that, and get
days it’s like four takes because it’s possible to make problem with having a particular sound that people paid for it.
it work with a couple of passes. like was that I’d get hired for that sound, even when What year did you start?
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How live were the So Long, So Wrong I was trying to expand and do something different. I’ve been doing it eight years. It was a much different
sessions? How much bleed was there? Who were some of the first performers to job ten or twelve years ago than it is today, for sure.
Well, on most of those early Alison records, it was all seek you out, based on that? It’s nearly impossible to sell records with a new artist
about isolation. We’d cut a basic track and almost re- Chris Thile [Nickel Creek], Mindy Smith, and Gillian now. Your successes now are so small, and on such a
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lock in the tempo, because we weren’t usually
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with Dixie Chicks called Home. would carry the rest of the label, and that allowed the
cutting to a click. It was just making sure we had the Dixie Chicks were much more A&R people take chances. For instance, Sarah Jarosz’s
right tempo, and the right form. Pretty much we’d commercially oriented. Was that a last record sold 60,000 copies. Eight or ten years ago
start from the bottom up. Maybe we’d go until we learning curve? it’d be a 140,000 unit record. It’s just completely off.
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got a great bass pass, or whatever, and start doing That record was actually more in the wheelhouse of what How’d you become aware of her?
bass repairs and re-cutting the instruments. It was a I had been doing with Alison than what the Dixie The parting words from the woman at the label before
great situation, actually. There was enough time, Chicks had previously been doing. The real learning me [Bev Paul] were to keep my eyes on Sarah Jarosz.
and isolation, for me to really focus on tone. Not to curve was doing my first record on a DAW! We were I went to the Telluride Bluegrass Festival and I was
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mention the fact that every player had an amazing using an early version of Nuendo, and I didn’t have a walking around in the middle of the day. I heard this
instrument and exceptional talent. It was shocking clue what I was doing. I would be faking my way voice in the distance. It was just so unique. It was
to me how much importance they put on sounds. If through the day, and then spend hours after they left obvious that she had it. Luckily she was coming to
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it wasn’t a good day for me – if I wasn’t quite trying to fix what I’d screwed up. It was a learning Nashville after the festival so I brought her into the
hearing things right – she’d call it. She’d just say, curve, dealing with strong personalities in a band studio right away to check her out a bit more, and we
“Hey, it’s not happening today.” For the first time, that was living under that much spotlight and signed her soon after. She was 16 when I signed her.
what I was doing was just as important as what the pressure. Plus they were making a record that was so We made the first record during her breaks from high
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two during her education at the New England used to! It goes both ways though. I love making point was large diaphragm and more hi-fi. When I
Conservatory of Music. It would have been easy for those acoustic records, but I’m still always looking at heard the 54s, especially in a stereo configuration, I
Sarah to drop out of school when cool opportunities the other artists who I want to be working with. Here flipped at the detail and presence with no EQ. I went
were presented to her, but luckily she stuck to her at my studio, the live room isn’t big and I have no through a couple of pairs of those and found a few
guns and finished school. isolation. Whenever we track here, everybody’s pairs that I really loved. I think I get the most
Have you seen her develop as an artist together. Maybe I’ll move the vocalist in front of the comments on the sounds I get with those mics.
because of school? console, or put somebody in the back of the control Have you ever tried the Gefell m582 mic
Yes, for sure. She was exposed to so many different room, but I’m doing a lot more of making the leakage with the nickel capsules?
styles of music, and pushed in directions that she work. I did a record a couple of years ago that I loved, I’ve got a pair of those. I love those Gefells. The nickel
might never have gone otherwise. NEC is a world- John Prine’s Fair & Square. Luckily I get calls for that diaphragms are great for low volume level detail. A lot
class conservatory, filled with amazing musicians. At now, because that was a really rocking – everybody in of what I do is quieter. I’ll even put 54s on the snare
the same time, a lot of her growth can be credited to the same room together – record. It had a real raw for brushwork or light percussion, like in a jazz setting.
her experiences on the road, playing festivals with energy to it. That’s what really moves me. I’ve done a couple of sessions in New York with some
peers like Tim O’Brien, Darrell Scott, and Chris Thile. How did you get involved working with great drummers, and they’re amazing for that. I’d say
They’ve been with her from the beginning, and Nickel Creek? that my only real love affair with any mics I’ve owned
influenced her greatly. It was Alison’s manager, Denise Stiff, who told Alison are the 54s. It was also always in combination with The
How do you balance recording and A&R about them after seeing a show. Again, it was obvious Mastering Labs’ Microphone Preamplifier.
time? that there was something really special there. These You don’t see those around too often.
It’s a tough juggle, for sure. I try to focus on one aspect kids were serious. Alison and I produced two records No, you don’t. The combination of the 54s with the
at a time – if I have a record, I throw myself into with Nickel Creek – Nickel Creek and This Side. I’ve also Mastering Lab pre has always been great for what I do.
that, and vice versa with an important label client. done a couple of solo records with band member Chris Do you still rely on any of the same gear?
Both parties have been really respectful of that. I’m Thile, Not All Who Wander Are Lost and Deceiver. Yeah, apart from KM 54s – and it’s been talked about
very lucky. But yeah, any time I’m not in the studio, Deceiver was a great record to do. He played every before – this wax box [custom Mäag EQ] that I’d mix
I’m working on A&R. There’s always a ton of listening instrument on that record, and it took us about a year through. Mostly I use the Mäag’s Air Band on top end.
to do. In the last two weeks I think I’ve been out 11 and a half to make. What was interesting about that The sub band gets used every now and then. Before I
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nights to see bands at different venues, and I’m record is that he knew the sequence of the record started using that, the first thing that I’d do on
always going to festivals. before we cut it. We would start and complete track acoustic sessions (on every channel) is lift up the
I was going to say that festivals are one before we would start a note on the second track. top-end to try to find the air and upper harmonics. It
probably the best way to find artists.
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I heard some of it not too long ago. You could tell helped me a lot to do that earlier in the process so
They are. I can catch up with our artists who are there, and where we got tired of working on the fucking record all that I knew how it affected everything, like reverb
then look at new ones. Balancing a very demanding day long, because by song six or seven it’s just a tails and sibilance. Before I started having EQ on the
A&R job and making records... we know records are only mandolin piece. We were so relieved to strip it down, 2-mix bus, I’d get to mastering and I’d be surprised
as good as the time you can put into them. The label
has been very understanding of that fact.
Has the A&R job cut down on the time
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because we were building loops and doing a lot of
other stuff we didn’t really know how to do. He’d never
played drums before, but we bought a drum kit and
by everything. I liked it because it crept in above
sibilance and anything ugly. For tracking, I’ve been
going through the Mäag 500-series. Their EQ2 module
you get to be in the studio?
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four hours later he’s playing on the record. I learned so is a lot more controllable.
Yeah. It also forces me to be more efficient when I’m in much from Chris. Chris is the guy who I will send a That brightness was my impression of
there. Plus, I have people I can rely on at the studio record to when I really need feedback while I’m Alison’s records.
should I not be there. Right now Shani Gandhi co- working on it. He’s usually got a great couple of things They were such great players, and all had unbelievable
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engineers a lot of my projects. If I’m producing and to say that make all the difference in the world. instruments. Lifting the top-end brought out the upper
engineering, it helps to have someone I really trust You touch on that a lot, learning from harmonics, the attack of the upright bass, the detail in the
to turn the engineering over to. If I’m in that chair musicians as well as learning from mandolin solos… hearing everything in the instrument. It
my natural instinct is going to be sonics, so it helps feedback and collaboration. was always the fine line of not being harsh.
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to be able to step away from the console and focus Those are the only compliments that I can ever really A lot of the time, if you’re into
on the overall performance. It’s a great team. take in. You’ll have people say nice things about the production, engineering gets pushed
Well, part of their path is watching record, but half the time you think it’s just because to the side. I don’t get the feeling
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you work. that’s what people say. But when musicians tell you you’re doing that.
I’d say more so my job is learning from them. I was that it sounds like their instrument, or sounds like No, I’m not. I’d hate giving up mixing. For me, that’s the
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interested in Shani – particularly in her having them, or is exactly how they imagined it in their head part I love the most. I love the energy of tracking,
worked for producers in completely different genres – – that’s what excites me. You also start to realize how and I love being part of the vocals. But I love what
because she brings something fresh to the table. many sessions that they’ve done where it doesn’t you can create with a mix. I couldn’t give that up in
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These days it’s not often that I’m in another facility sound like them. Back when I started, things just got my career, but there are a lot of guys in town I’d love
and see how people are working. The records that compressed and mashed into place. Acoustic guitars to have mix something I’ve recorded just to hear their
Shani listens to are different than mine. I need to be sounded like hi-hats. It’s nice to present a full range take on my tracking sounds. Records require so much
turned on to new music. We’re always trying to grow. of everything the instrument has to offer, and time and energy – it’s all-consuming. Now I’m doing
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pigeonhole you feel a little locked As far as mics, did you find anything got a gig to run to. I think anybody who has a job in
into. Do you ever wish you weren’t along the way that helped you up this business today is doing multiple jobs, so this is
locked into that and could make a your game? nothing new to most people. If I had to say what I
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similar? KM 54s. I used them at Bill Schnee’s studio – he had a produce in slow motion. I have to be paired with the
I haven’t felt that way for a long time because I’ve been bunch of them. I was sort of surprised, because it’s just right artist, like a Sarah Jarosz; she’s as much a
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was concerned about sound back then. And there
James Demeter by Larry Crane because it was all still sitting in all the studios. When
that mic preamp was made, I didn’t put an owner’s
manual in there because I used to joke, “If he
doesn’t know how to use it, why in the hell is he
buying it?” The only people that were buying them
were engineers.
Back then there was a very entry level
sort of world, and then there was the
pro gear.
There wasn’t anything in between. There was a huge
divide in quality. The ADAT was the first thing that
Since the early ‘80s James Demeter that business; but people kept on asking me for
changed that. Then I really sold a lot of these
has been promoting the use of tubes them, so I kept on making them.
preamps. The Alanis Morissette Jagged Little Pill
in pro audio, and in his excellent Is that probably one of your top-selling recordings are all through that mic pre. Eventually it
amps as well.I units? got to Sting’s producer, Hugh Padgham [Tape Op
Over the years, yeah. We sell a few hundred a year. Not
#55] and he turned on a bunch of people.
What were you doing before you started so much now, anymore. The pedal business slowed
What kind of facility do you run right
making gear? down a bit.
now? How many people work there?
I was the guitar player. I was in a band called The There’s a lot of competition now. Unfortunately we’re shrinking, just like the economy. I
Heaters. We were on Capitol Records. We made it to Yeah, there’re four or five clones of it out there.
have three employees and myself, and that’s about
number 56 on the Billboard Top 100. But we had You’re not coming from an EE degree. it. At one time I had eight. That’s the biggest I ever
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management who stole our money, and who were How did you learn to do all this got. That’s when I was selling five or six hundred mic
incompetent. I found myself with a pregnant wife circuit design? Was it just a process of pres a year. There are only about 3,500 of them out
and no real money. I started working for my good picking up the knowledge? there. To my knowledge, they’re all working. I still
buddy, John Caruthers, who had a guitar business. Yes, as my cousin said, I had a knack. It was like
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get people saying, “This is the only mic pre I have”
He brought me in to do some electronics for him. We plumbing, but with electrons. I look at it more like
or, “It’s the best preamp I’ve got!”
wired guitars and started to dabble with building cooking with electrons, because I love to cook. It’s
You also have the HXC-1 optical
things. My cousin was a technician at Jensen that weird combination of skills. I used to work at
compressor?
Transformers at the time, and he started to mentor
me on the basics of audio design. We decided to
make a direct box; lord knows those things sounded
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a stereo store and we were a McIntosh dealer. I
started to look and see how they worked. I noticed
that in the phono section, if I took out that RIAA
The VTCL-2 preceded the HXC. It was an all-tube stereo
unit. The HXC came later and is a single space mono
unit. The compressor came out after the mic pre. It
like shit back then. It was always just a straight equalization, I had a tube op amp circuit. So my
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took forever to get one that actually worked.
transformer, except for the Countryman direct box, first mic preamp was basically using that concept,
Yeah, that’s a tricky set up getting the
which is probably the only decent sounding one out with changing the impedances and the feedback.
right kind of light source.
there. I figured I could do better with a Jensen What they used to call a totem pole circuit was
I think I tried 12 different types that they made back
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transformer. That evolved into the first Tube Direct used to drive the low impedance output. That was
then. I came up with one that almost worked, but
box. In 1982 it was the only tube direct box the first mic pre.
they had this little latchy-thing that would go on.
available. I was loaning it out. The road guy for REO It’s interesting, coming from the One day I was looking at it and I said, “Maybe if I
Speedwagon took it to a recording session, and the audiophile or the home-stereo type
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all over the place, and all over the world. I was just primitive.” Because the audiophiles really were all
preamp. It’s the same concept of the op amp again,
talking with the guys from The Who; they still have about sound, and the pro audio guys were really
except this time the gain is fixed with the light
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their original ones, which are now 30 years old. thinking about utility, to a larger extent. You know,
sensitive device in front of it, and you turn it up and
What products followed that? long lasting. They weren’t after the cutting edge of
down that way. The audio all goes through tubes,
The next product that followed was actually the tube high fidelity, at that time.
except for that one little light-sensitive resistor.
bass preamp. I started making those and people like I had always wondered where the The one product I’ve used extensively of
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Stanley Clarke and Leland Sklar bought them. That origins of the first tube preamp were yours is the spring reverb unit, the
was followed by my deepest step into the dark side coming from. RV-1, and I just got the new Real
- a tremolo pedal. The [TRM-1] Tremulator came Just looking at it from a hi-fi guy’s thing. Totally Reverb D version. What are the
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about when Ry Cooder came into the shop and said, different than everybody else, I guess.
differences between those two?
“No one makes a tremolo anymore.” I made him one In 1985 you were the only person There’re three differences, because you probably got a
using a sine wave. He kind of liked that, but he said, making studio-quality tube very early one.
“It’s still not quite right.” He brought in his Fender preamps, right? I’ve got a Demeter RV-1 reverb.
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Twin amp that had a tremolo – those used a triangle That is correct. The only standalone that was made, and Yeah, that’s pretty early. Now Burr-Brown makes some
wave that was slightly clipped. I came up with the it stayed that way for a long time, too. It was a lot
much better op-amp ICs than what I was using. I
second version, which is still basically what I’m easier to market back then because word of mouth
think I was using Analog Devices’ integrated circuits,
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selling today. I thought I was never going to go into existed. Besides having no competition, everyone
which are fine, but the Burr-Brown’s are definitely
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the
better. [Spring reverb tank manufacturer] Accutronics
got bought by this Korean company that has totally
destroyed the products, which is a real bummer. So I
had Ruby Tubes come up with custom springs for me;
which is nice option, as opposed to buying the off-
Profile
the-shelf Accutronics. The new springs are definitely
warmer. I miss the slight brightness of the short spring
that the Accutronics had, but these are warmer and
richer so that’s nice. It’s one of those audio
compromises one has to make in life. But the biggest
“I gotta love it to work on it - life is change is the power supply. Even though I had a
too short to mess with bad music. custom-made, toroidal transformer, with a shorted first
Last album listened to: Hard Luck Guy by Eddie Hinton winding, and shielding around it, it still put out hum.
Last movie watched: The Wizard of Oz Not much, but some. So I was searching the Internet
Last book read: Koudelka: Gypsies and found this power supply. Plus/minus voltage
switches at 380 kHz; you’re not gonna hear that. I was
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going to actually make an external supply with it. My
My greatest accomplishment: son, who works for me, said, “Why don’t you try one
Staying married for 33 years inside?” I put it in there and didn’t hear any hum. I
Most recent accomplishment: said, “Well, that’s 6 dB better than I had before so I
Just played The Kennedy Center with think I’m done.”
Marketing amps, pedals, and pro audio
Robert Plant and Alison & Victor Krauss.
gear must be daunting.
The Retro 176 is the ulitmate compressor There’s still word of mouth, because my budget for
that had been living in my imagination. advertising is not much. That’s one of the reasons I
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It always stays patched in on the vocal chain. faded out of pro audio – I could not compete with
large companies whose ad budget was bigger than my
-Buddy Miller (Robert Plant, entire gross. The other thing that happened was the
ABC Nashville, Patty Griffin)
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change of the whole recording business. The small
studios that were my customer base disappeared
www.retroinstruments.com because people had bedroom studios. I couldn’t quite
crack that consumer market, because I couldn’t
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Are you coming back a little bit more?
Well, I am nostalgic about it because it was closest to me.
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My heart was always into pro audio because of course
it was hi-fi, which goes back to my roots. It’s fun to
design those other things, and everything I design is
hi-fi. I never quite got the whole thing to morph into
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Audio-Technica
at a time. At $350 street, the ATH-R70x is not an impulse buy, the Trion digital mixer in 2005. These sound closest to the
but it’s more affordable than many “luxury” headphones. I Series 12/LPC preamps, with a very natural sound. On the other
ATH-R70x open-back really enjoy listening to music on “open-air” headphones, and hand, they have more character due to the Lundahl
I own many models, going all the way back to several transformers on their inputs. For example, toms and kick drums
reference headphone Sennheisers that I purchased in the ‘80s. But the ATH-R70x is tend to sound bigger than life through the Series 12/LPC,
I love this new model from Audio-Technica’s growing line
the first open-back headphone in my collection that I would without the overt distortion from the Series 10/950; and
of professional studio headphones. It features open-back
be confident using alone as a mixing reference, without a electric guitars take on more weight, without getting blurry.
earcups housing proprietary 45 mm drivers, and a unique
second closed-back headphone or a well-tuned subwoofer to You do have to be careful EQ’ing lower mids, especially in the
headband with spring-loaded “wings” that self-adjust the fit.
inform me of the lows that would otherwise be missed or 250 Hz range, and these have the least amount of infrasonics
It’s by far the lightest and most comfortable circumaural
misrepresented. Consequently, this is the headphone I take below 30 Hz. Overall, I think the Trion preamps are the most
headphone I have ever worn. The earpads are covered in a
with me between studio and house. versatile preamps in this box. They’re clean, but not clinical.
breathable microfiber fabric that remains plush and cool, and
($349 street; www.audio-technica.com) –AH You can turn them up for more transformer saturation to bring
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there’s just enough cushion to keep the drivers close to my
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out more character, which is great for drums and anything
ears for maximum fidelity, without earlobe contact. Being the
overdriven, including guitars and vocals. Moreover, the Trion
gear geek, I appreciate the design of the Y-cable that plugs Lineage 8-channel mic preamp preamps offer the most gain (70 dB), and you can also use
into the earcups. Each of the cable’s earcup ends has a turn- I haven’t spent any time on a Harrison console, but I do know them as FET-based instrument DIs via the front panel Neutrik
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to-lock, three-conductor TRS plug, so it doesn’t matter which that many important albums and films were recorded or mixed on combo jacks. Each Trion channel has a switch to choose
plug you use in which earcup jack; each receiving jack Harrison consoles over the decades, and company founder Dave between front/back inputs, and additionally, a “Fix” switch to
connects to the correct conductors for its respective left or Harrison kickstarted his console-designing career with the MCI swap out the input gain knob for a separate, recessed gain trim
right signal. Ironically, the headphone looks perfectly JH-400 series, the first production desks with an inline layout.
symmetrical, so the only way to tell the L/R assignment of the
earcups is to look carefully at the inside of the headband for
near-invisible markings identifying the sides. (I ended up
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The Harrison Lineage pays homage to 40 years of Harrison
consoles by assembling pairs of four different mic preamp designs
(a total of eight channels) in a 1RU-height rackmount chassis.
on the front panel. What’s cool about this feature is that you
can leave two pairs of mics attached to the Trion channels and
switch between the two; or you can do what I did and use one
pair of inputs for a passive summing box leaving the other pair
placing a sticker on the right-hand side of the headband.)
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Opening the unit reveals lots of discrete through-hole open for mics. The neat thing here is that I can enable the
Also, only one Y-cable is included, and it’s over 10 ft long, components, some op-amps, and a couple transformers — all “Fix” trims when selecting the summing box — which allows
which is great if you’re sitting in your favorite La-Z-Boy while carefully laid out to prevent crosstalk between unrelated me to adjust the amount of “analog goodness” to taste, then
listening to your hi-fi, or adjusting a compressor in a far-away functions. Moreover, an internal power supply is fenced off from recall at the touch of a button!
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rack against the side wall of your control room, but my the rest of the circuitry to further prevent noise. All eight preamps include switches for phantom power and
preference is for a cable half that length. The only included Over the course of months, I used the Lineage −20 dB pad, as well as signal-overload LEDs that indicate
accessory is a polyester-fleece carrying bag. preamps on various sources, but I did so with no prior +18 dBu level. All four preamp designs are quiet, with plenty of
Overall, I would characterize the sound of the ATH-R70x as experience with Harrison products, so I had no expectations gain (Trion having the most).
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warm and inviting, but with plenty of honest detail. Low- of sound or performance between the various designs. Here’s If you’re looking for a quick and easy way to add different
frequency extension is exemplary for an open-back design, what I discovered: preamp flavors to your recording kit, the Harrison Lineage is a
and I can clearly discern fundamental notes down to 22 Hz. The two 32c/MR Series preamps recreate the circuitry from great way to go. You get eight high-class mic preamps with four
Some distortion is audible at these extremely low frequencies,
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Harrison’s ‘70s and ‘80s–era 32c and MR consoles. I love how different sounds, taking up only one rackspace. Moreover, two
but I hear far less distortion in the ATH-R70x than in my open- these push vocals, especially female vocals, forward in the mix. instrument DIs are included, and you can set up a pair of
back Shure SRH1840 headphone [Tape Op #89], particularly
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The same goes for electric guitar and horn solos. Additionally, alternate, trimmable-gain inputs, allowing you to assign the
below 34 Hz. Moreover, the ATH-R70x’s distortion is devoid of extreme lows, particularly frequencies below 35 Hz, are Trion preamps to a summing box or other recording/processing
high-order harmonics, so it’s less distracting, and deep bass emphasized, whether you’re using ribbon, dynamic, or flow with painless recall. Although the price of the Lineage may
notes don’t sound falsely clicky. Moving up the spectrum from condenser mics. For example, kick drums recorded through seem high at first glance, if you divide it up, $350 per preamp
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there, the volume takes a shallow slope up to 83 Hz, then tilts these have a ton of power — sometimes too much. With great channel is a steal. Or another way to look at it — for the cost
smoothly downward, contributing to the warmth I hear. power comes great responsibility; and restraint is required when of a 500-series chassis filled with eight channels of boutique
Importantly, driver damping is well controlled, so there’s very EQ’ing lows. I hear transistor distortion ramping up earliest on preamps, you can buy two Lineage units, and you’d still have
little distortion, ringing, or time-domain smearing in the lows this design, and it’s easy to capture a big, rock and roll sound, room left over in your rack!
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and lower mids. A 3 dB peak at 3.5 kHz is followed by a −3 dB with a nice bit of “compression” from the discrete new-old- ($2,795 street; www.harrisonconsoles.com) –AH
trough at 4–7 kHz, with some ringing at both 3.5 kHz and stock 2SD786 transistors saturating, especially on drums. But
8 kHz. Above 12 kHz, the extreme highs are gently tamed, but
high-frequency detail is still there, thanks to good transient
you do have to be careful — too much of a good thing can put
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affect how headphones sound, so what I hear in the ATH-R70x played transients like high-hat hits and acoustic guitar notes.
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Focal Professional distortions, and the high end doesn’t get shrill. The tweeter is
made of beryllium and is an inverted dome construction, which PreSonus
SM9 active studio monitor is one of Focal’s hallmarks. I have experience using this tweeter AudioBox iTwo Studio &
The quest for the right studio monitor can be long and on the smaller Solo6 Be speaker [Tape Op #60] over the past AudioBox Stereo bundles
frustrating. Or, the first pair you audition can instantly become decade, finding it trustworthy and easy to listen to for long I’m always impressed with the sheer value that PreSonus
the pair you know and trust, allowing you to do your best work stretches of time. is able to offer across its product lines. For decades, the
right from the get-go. Focal Professional’s flagship French-made Once we did get around to comparing the SM9 to a few other company has been selling affordable audio gear and software,
SM9 monitor was the latter for me — and for everybody at models, we spent a full day leisurely listening to four sets of while still managing to include features and deliver sound
Figure 8 Recording in Brooklyn. My initial plan was to audition speakers. We wanted all of them set up on the same stands with quality beyond what you’d expect for the price. Take for
a few models to find the right set of monitors for our main the same room placement, so we did no quick A/B’ing, only example AudioBox iTwo Studio. This “recording kit” includes an
control room. As it happened, I set up the SM9 pair for the unscientific full-song listening to a variety of material spanning AudioBox iTwo USB 2×2 interface, an HD7 semi-open
inaugural session at the studio last November — overdubs with fifty years of recording, and cycled each set of speakers through headphone, an M7 side-address mic, cables, and a license for
guitarist Nels Cline and bassist Trevor Dunn for twice. There were notes like this regarding the SM9 from the Studio One Artist DAW software — at a street price of $260. If
composer/drummer Scott Amendola’s ambitious and amazing other engineers: “clarity in all frequency ranges,” “visible ultra- you’re a singer-songwriter recording at home or a musician
orchestral record Fade to Orange. And a few months later, I harmonics,” and “low end holds together in ways it doesn’t who wants to put down ideas while on the road, this is a great
remembered that I wanted to try out some other speakers. In normally — subs are sick!” Out of the five of us doing the deal. Likewise, AudioBox Stereo, a similar kit which includes
the meantime, dozens of projects had come through the studio, listening test, four of us chose the SM9 as our favorite model, the previous-generation AudioBox USB interface, an HD7
and every single one of the six engineers working in the space and the fifth person had it as second favorite. I kept the prices headphone, a pair of SD7 pencil condenser mics with
had effused to me how happy they were tracking and mixing on a secret, since I wanted to eliminate that as a factor as much shockmounts, a stereo mic’ing bar, and Studio One Artist — all
the SM9. This is just clearly a next-level speaker. as possible, although I’m sure size was a clue. Only one other for $250 — is a great starter pack for stereo recording of
Focal markets the SM9 as “two monitors in one,” due to the speaker was in the SM9’s price range, and the other two were instruments, bands, choirs, ensembles, and stage productions.
fact that in its default state, it’s an active 3-way speaker, with significantly cheaper, but it was clear to everyone in the room Let’s start with the AudioBox iTwo. First of all, it looks
a 400 W amp for the forward-facing 8’’ subwoofer, and one which speaker was going to stay in place after the tests. great. Its brushed aluminum chassis wraps around from top to
100 W amp each for the 6.5’’ woofer and 1’’ tweeter. With a push Even though I enjoy using the SM9 immensely, it is not bottom, book-end style. Two combo jacks on the front operate
of the (vaguely-named) Focus switch, the amp for the without one small fault; the buttons for putting it into as XLR mic or 1/4’’ instrument/line–level inputs. Two input
subwoofer is turned off and the crossover is altered, so the standby, engaging the EQ controls, and turning off the gain knobs are next to switches that choose instrument or
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frequency response changes from 30 Hz – 40 kHz to 90 Hz – subwoofer (and passive radiator) are on the inner sides of the line–level for the 1/4’’ inputs. A single 48V switch toggles
20 kHz (both ±3 dB). Focal claims in its literature that this is enclosure if positioned as recommended (subwoofer on the phantom power for the XLR inputs, and a 1/4’’ headphone jack
to check how the mix will sound on your TV or “multimedia outside). So if you have a pair of these speakers set up on is paired with a volume pot. Importantly, there’s also a mix
systems.” I got a chuckle thinking that any TV speaker could stands behind a console (as we do behind our Neve 5316, knob for analog zero-latency monitoring; it allows you to vary
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sound as good as the SM9, even with the Focus button on. This which is relatively deep), the buttons are quite hard to reach, the relative levels of what you’re recording versus what’s being
feature does not eliminate the need for Auratones, boomboxes, since they are pivoted away from you. Frankly, I would utilize played back from software. Therefore, there’s no need to worry
or other “real-world” reference speakers. But, point taken. the Focus feature a lot more with easier access to it. I would about driver latency, software buffer size, or a separate virtual
In addition to the subwoofer, the SM9 has an 11’’ passive
radiator on its upper surface, which gives it a definitive look
and also happens to preclude stacking a second speaker on top
of it. I find the sub range of the SM9 very even and trustworthy,
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love to see these controls on a remote, considering the size
(and cost) of the speaker. But really, that’s the only thing I
have come across in over six months of use that I don’t
absolutely love about the Focal SM9.
monitor mixer. A big knob in front controls the volume of the
main output, accessible via a stereo pair of balanced 1/4’’ TRS
line-level jacks in back. Also in back are MIDI I/O and two
USB ports. One USB port is for connecting the AudioBox iTwo
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and I have to credit the design of the passive radiator with Visually, the SM9 is impressive and sleek. It’s built incredibly to a host computer, while the second is for connecting to an
some of that evenness. It functions in lieu of a bass port and solidly and weighs 75 lbs, so you will want to either buy a very iOS device. Interestingly, because the AudioBox iTwo is bus-
couples with the subwoofer to help reproduce those low substantial set of monitor stands, or build your own heavy-duty powered, it requires USB power supplied to the first port when
frequencies without the distortion and turbulence that ports ones, like we did. Following instructions we found online, we you’re using it with an iOS device connected to the second
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can cause. The one frequency range of the SM9 that sounded a constructed extremely stable, tripod monitor stands out of 2’’ port. An iPad power supply or an external USB battery unit
little weak in our control room was the lower midrange. Initial PVC pipe, playground sand (laboriously dried by hand with a works fine for this purpose.
mixes were coming out of our room needing a slight tuck in the heatgun by our intern Dylan Guidry — thanks Dylan!), and 1’’ Due to the AudioBox iTwo being Core Audio class-
120–180 Hz range at mastering. A 1 dB boost on each speaker boards sandwiched together — all spray-painted black to match
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points on the rear of the SM9 are LF (50 Hz), and MF (1 kHz). especially utilizing Primacoustic Recoil Stabilizers (two 10.5’’ × Windows 8.1 Pro laptop, I chose to run the AudioBox iTwo as
There are also shelving filters from 250 Hz downward and 13’’ pads per speaker) [Tape Op #62]. The cost of the homemade an ASIO device in Cubase [Tape Op #90], which required
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4.5 kHz upward, and an HPF with three settings (45, 60, and stands was negligible, which made us feel better about tweaking a few Device, VST, and MIDI setup panels. Later, I
90 Hz), each at 12 dB/octave, allowing you to run the SM9 with spending $400 on the Stabilizers. But for a pair of $7,600 installed and ran the bundled Studio One Artist software. On
an external subwoofer if desired. All EQ settings, aside from the speakers, you want to make sure you’re doing everything you its opening screen, Studio One confirmed that the AudioBox
HPF, are conveniently bypassed with the single push of the can to hear the speaker itself without mechanical resonance or iTwo was connected, even displaying clickable links into the
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(also vaguely named) Direct Input button. movement. Yep, you saw that price tag right, and that will Audio Device and External Devices panels. Seconds later, I was
Other than that small boost in the low-mids, the rest of the certainly make some of you dear readers grimace and flip up and running. Clearly, PreSonus thought out the
EQ has stayed flat in our setup, because the interaction of the quickly to the next review, and understandably so. At this price hardware/software integration here, because this process was
three drivers just works so well and sounds so good — at all point, it is not a decision one makes lightly, and our lack of
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I find absolutely exquisite on the SM9 pair, maintains its speakers to make good recordings and solid mixes, but I will and they have plenty of gain for most dynamic and condenser
separation and depth at low listening levels, while the hereby report that I am finding that it helps. mics, including the bundled M7. (On the other hand, there
“phantom” center channel still sounds robust and forward. At ($3795 street each; www.focalprofessional.com) isn’t enough gain to record a quiet source with a passive
louder levels, the frequency response also sounds very even; I –Eli Crews <www.elicrews.com> ribbon mic, but I wouldn’t consider that a typical use case of
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supplement the BAE preamps with a few channels of Hamptone
when presented with high SPL, but when recording low to record in the free Capture Duo app (or the full-featured Capture),
and Neve.) Quoting Bobby from his review, the various tracks
medium volumes, the M7 sounds refreshingly neutral. I you can transfer your audio files to Studio One via WiFi — very
ended up summing in a “seamless” way and sounded
especially like how female vocals sound through the cool! I also tried the AudioBox iTwo with WaveMachineLabs Auria
“wonderfully glued together.” The final mixes were the easiest to
M7 — lots of midrange presence, very little sibilance. You [#92] on my iPad, and it worked flawlessly. Note that the zero-
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complete in recent memory, and my notes from that session fill
do have to be careful positioning the mic, as its sweet latency Mix knob on the AudioBox iTwo is pretty much a necessity
less than one page — a testament to how little processing was
spot is quite small. For most sources, including voice, it when overdubbing on an iPad.
used in both tracking and mixing. I’m not saying you should sell
sounds fullest 3’’–8’’ out, on-axis within 30° of center. At One last thing I want to point out — both AudioBox manuals
off your racks of outboard preamps, but if it’s been a while since
you last recorded through a single preamp model (or through the
preamps in your console), consider giving it a try, because you
might have as much fun as I had. In the meantime, check out
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greater distances, the low-frequency response thins
quickly below 200 Hz — helpful for recording a boomy
acoustic guitar but not ideal for tracking a drum kit sans
close mics. Conversely, at distances less than 3’’,
are very well written, and not only do they each include a “Quick
Start” section for Studio One Artist, but they also include a whole
chapter of tutorials covering mic’ing technique, dynamics
processing, and EQ’ing. A ton of useful information is presented,
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proximity effect ramps up steeply. and it’s definitely worth reading. Overall, PreSonus has done a
hear songs from this session. In particular, watch the video of
The SD7 pencil condenser mics bundled in the wonderful job of integrating several products with high value for
Hayley and her band performing “Dopesick” <goo.gl/bnsz4Q>,
AudioBox Stereo kit are also impressive for their cost. money into the affordable and easy to use AudioBox iTwo Studio
which was recorded at 11 AM (first take of the day) with no
These come with screw-on cardioid capsules, but I wasn’t and AudioBox USB recording kits.
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On a related note, I learned something else while recording
screen to determine actual diaphragm size. Because it’s
Hayley’s band: Flipping the polarity of the headphone feed can
voiced for distance mic’ing, the SD7 has less low-
significantly change what the musicians are hearing in the
frequency roll-off than the M7 does at distances greater Cassette tape splicing block
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tracking room. For many of you, that’s a “No Duh” statement. For Many of us remember the days of cassette-based 4-track
than 8’’, and it exhibits a few dB of high-frequency lift in
me, it’s “Doh!” Sure, like every other engineer who’s recorded machines. Likewise, we can recall the days of receiving mixtapes
the range of 5–15 kHz. The included shockmounts are
more than two mics at once, checking polarity at the mic preamp on actual cassette tapes, not over email. I have found that the
actually pretty nice. They’re lightweight (being plastic),
is something I do naturally during soundcheck. (And actually, I
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but they keep their set angle without slipping, and a problem with playing old cassettes is usually mechanical in
get even geekier. I adjust timing (phase) between mics, especially nature — crinkled tape, broken tape, or the worst-case scenario,
bunch of extra rubber elastics are included. The stereo bar
when tracking and mixing drums, but that’s a whole other topic.)
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is quite heavy, as it’s made of steel and brass. Together a deck eats the tape. Consumers would assume there is no hope,
But I never thought to flip the polarity of the signal going to the but audio engineers are not afraid to roll up our sleeves and attack
with the shockmounts, the stereo bar can be set up for
artists’ headphones! Try it yourself — put on headphones and the problem. Removing the tape reels and transplanting them into
X-Y or NOS recording (but not ORTF). The substantial
monitor yourself singing into a mic. Flip the polarity anywhere in a new shell often solves the issue. However, if the tape is torn or
thumbscrew bolts that hold the shockmounts can be
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the signal chain. You’ll hear a dramatic difference. What you’re damaged, a splice may be in order. Trying to splice 1/8’’ tape on a
threaded out of the bar for reinsertion from the other side
experiencing is the sound going through the air (and through 1/2’’ block is not the way to live. Here is where the RG-Recording
of the bar, giving you more mic placement options. I tried
your bones) combining with the sound emanating from the splicing block comes in. The block is made of hardwood (oak, ash,
the SD7 mics on acoustic guitar, drum overheads,
headphone drivers, with different amounts of delay — yup, phase or birch), has a channel sized specifically for cassette tape, and
background vocals, and room ambience. The extra
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cancellations. This makes me wish that personal headphone comes standard with 90° and 45° cut guides. RG-Recording can
crispness up top means the SD7 sounds more “modern” to
mixers had a polarity button on each fader channel, so that even make a block with custom cut angles for no additional cost.
my ears than the M7, but it’s easily subdued with
artists could optimize their headphone mixes accordingly. The block is about 7’’ long and has a non-slip rubber base to keep
subtractive EQ.
For now, I’ll have to remember to test the polarity of the singers’
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The bundled HD7 headphone looks like the Superlux things steady. Given its price, it’s a no brainer.
mics during soundcheck while they’re setting up their ($12.99 w/ free shipping; stores.ebay.com/rg-recording)
HD681, a low-cost clone of the venerable AKG K 240 line.
headphone mixes. –AH –Garrett Haines <www.treelady.com>
Like its inspiration, the HD7 has a self-adjusting
headband and earcups that are semi-open. Comfort-wise,
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Additionally, the full kit includes a Sonarworks calibrated imaging, smoother overall frequency response (especially at the
measurement mic. The software walks the user through room subwoofer crossover point), and even some additional perceived
analysis and then generates a unique plug-in preset which height information. My long-time clients have commented on
provides correction for the specific monitors as measured in the how well my recent mixes have translated to their playback
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room. The headphone plug-in will correct the response of many systems, which bolsters my confidence during mixing and
commonly used professional headphones. Headphones with mastering. I believe it is important to fix acoustic and electronic
individually measured response curves may be purchased directly issues in the room and playback system first; and then adding
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from Sonarworks. Each headphone comes with a unique plug-in
preset which matches that exact headphone. Alternatively, an
“average” curve, derived from many sets of a particular model of
headphone, may be applied to match your existing headphone.
Sonarworks Reference 3 provides a very noticeable improvement
in an already well-balanced system. I have applied Reference 3
to more than five different rooms, including low, mid, and high-
priced monitor systems, and every room’s accuracy benefitted
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In use, the Reference 3 software (Windows and Mac OS) walks from the software. After several weeks of using the plug-in on my
the user through the steps of setting up the reference mic, own mixes and masters, I can’t find any noticeable artifacts or
choosing appropriate monitor levels, and measuring the room limitations that I have previously found in other software-based
response at 24 positions around the main listening area. The room correction.
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software produces bursts of clicks, which are used to calculate the As with any plug-in, latency is possible, and Sonarworks
mic’s exact position in the room, along with short frequency provides three modes of accuracy versus latency. The lowest
sweeps, which measure the perceived acoustic power, or apparent latency setting produces a monitoring delay of around 1 ms,
while the most accurate setting produces about 60 ms of delay.
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frequency response of your speakers. Multiple plug-in presets may settings provided similar improvement to the sound of my
be generated, for different monitor sets or listening positions. The monitors, though each of the three settings produces its own
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plug-in itself, which is available for AU, VST, RTAS, and AAX Native extremely subtle tradeoff between frequency and
hosts, lives on the master monitor fader in the DAW. This may be phase–response accuracy.
a bit confusing at first — you don’t want to bounce your mix The Reference 3 plug-in provides many useful features, like
through the Reference 3 plug-in; you just want to listen through graphs of the before and after frequency responses, the correction
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it to hear your corrected room response. Each DAW provides a curve, as well as more esoteric information like dynamic range
different method for routing master and monitor faders, so you’ll limits and phase-response graphs for those who desire to view
have to determine the best way to instantiate the plug-in for your such information. This effective plug-in may be used in a very
simple plug-and-play way, or you can delve under the hood for
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remains unaffected by the plug-in. Unfortunately, other sources Sonarworks brings a high level of accuracy to your room for much
besides your DAW, like an MP3 player or iTunes, will not be heard less. I highly recommend this software as a finishing touch in any
through the room correction software — that would require an room. ($49–$299 direct; www.sonarworks.com)
external processor (running Sonarworks) between your monitor –Adam Kagan <adamkagan@mac.com>
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woofers was blown and another one had some “hair on the edge” in some playback situations.
Dave quickly sent me replacement drivers, and the repair was as easy as undoing a half-dozen
Torx screws, putting the right wires on the clearly marked speaker terminals, re-seating the driver,
and tightening the screws. Voila, good as new.
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Anssi also gave me good advice about where to position the speakers in my somewhat
cramped studio space. It ended up that placing them about a foot out from the walls, and moving
my fiberglass panels around a bit, yielded the fewest and least annoying upper-bass nodes while
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preserving plenty of deep bass level, without producing an artificially dark sound quality. I
verified this through several hours-long listening sessions — a treat since I got to hear some of
my favorite music with new clarity and punch. Especially enjoyable were my favorite LPs; without
the typical harsh studio monitor midrange, vintage vinyl sounded all the more sweet.
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From the get-go, I liked the highly focused but non-screaming midrange and the accurate
treble (meaning it would be described as “reserved” compared to most other studio monitors,
which I find over-harsh on top). I was surprised how much the mid and top resembled the
underrated Behringers, but with more evenness and less “nasal” sound qualities (this is high
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praise because one of the things I like about the Behringers is the absence of “honking” midrange
that is so typical of nearfield monitors, especially the self-amplified kind).
Once I got down to business mixing the 3-track Dupré tapes to stereo masters, I immediately
noticed that I could work at lower SPLs than my old system required, and that anything I did as
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far as channel mix on the Amphions translated very well to my big B&W 808 speakers upstairs
and also to my Sennheiser HD 650 headphones [Tape Op #43]. So, the stereo image and frequency
spectrum decisions I made with the Amphions worked on big speakers in a big room and on high-
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detail against room reverberation, and how best to spotlight Dupré’s quick and complex playing.
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For each mix I turned in, the client feedback was very positive, and the client and I both agreed
that the remasters compare very favorably to the original LP issues. Working on the Amphions, I
didn’t find myself regretting decisions or going back and listening again and again because I was
doubtful of what I was hearing. These speakers speak the truth!
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I asked Anssi to explain his design philosophy leading to his company’s series of professional
monitors. First and foremost, he said, “We never wanted to make yet another box. The goal was
to come up with something which would hopefully indirectly contribute into putting emotion
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this respect, but that is not all it does. One of the nicest additional benefits of using a closed-
type construction is to be able to better control what happens inside the box in terms of air flow
and pressure changes, which increases the midrange resolution by allowing the active drivers to
work better.”
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textures, was Annie Clark’s very fine voice. The album’s overall credit to the speakers, because professional monitors must Tape Op is made
sound quality was loud but not overwhelming, and many tell all, the good and the bad.
possible by our
interesting sounds, riffs, and hooks emerged from the dense Chick Corea Trio (Corea, piano; Christian McBride, bass;
mix. This album is worth hearing on good speakers or good Brian Blade, drums) – Trilogy (Best Jazz Instrumental Album):
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headphones, preferably from a real CD or high-resolution file, A crisp and detailed recording like this spotlights the even
you saw their ad in Tape Op.
rather than a lossy stream, because it’s an ear treat. frequency response and quick dynamics of the Amphions. The
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Boz Digital Labs platinum producer David Bendeth (Underoath, Paramore,
Aviom
+10db Compressor & EQ Breaking Benjamin) to help you find your footing. Some find A320 & A360 Personal Mixer
plug-in bundle the EQ operation to be odd relative to modern EQs, as you have AN-16/i v.2 Input Module
I’m a fan of compressors that bring something to the table to toggle whether you are cutting or boosting, and then adjust A-16D A-Net Distributor
other than transparency, so I’ve had an eye on the legendary the dB pot, similar to a Manley Massive Passive, but I wouldn’t It has always been a priority for me to provide the ability
ADR F769X-R Vocal Stressor, an early outboard “channel strip” let that bug you. Another thing to keep track of is gain-staging, for each member of a band to dial in her or his own
incorporating the Compex compressor alongside an EQ, for quite as you have control over the input gain, the expander threshold, headphone mix during a tracking or overdub session. It was
some time. When Boz Digital Labs announced that they were the compressor threshold, the output level, and a wet/dry essential to me when building my first studio nearly 15 years
modeling “a very highly sought-after compressor hardware unit” knob — without the aid of a fancy GUI and lots of meters. But ago, and the long-discontinued Oz Audio Q-Mix HM-6 boxes
that looked identical to the ADR, I jumped at the chance to try again, it’s all part of the charm of this legend — not a big deal. [Tape Op #37] gave me that functionality in a very affordable,
it out. The Compex can deliver incredibly aggressive In use, my main objectives were to thoroughly test the robust package. When setting out to help producer,
compression; I like to think that it’s one of the kings of things for which the Compex is most recognized — compressing musician — and now studio owner — Shahzad Ismaily put
“punchy” and/or “raw” sounding compression, in that it kick drums, room mics, drum buses, and for “stressing” vocals. together Figure 8 Recording in Brooklyn this past year, I
wrangles whatever you throw at it into submission with great You can probably guess that I loved it, but keep reading started doing research about which modern cue system we
ease, and you are well aware that it’s happening. For instance, anyway. I’d also been looking for more tension in my mixes — could employ that would give us the ultimate monitoring
it’s perhaps most famously tied to John Bonham’s drum sound a way to better create a feeling of urgency and struggle — and flexibility for a two-room facility (that sometimes operates as
in Led Zeppelins’ “When the Levee Breaks.” On the other hand, +10db delivered in each of these scenarios. The most a single space), at a reasonable price point. Shahzad had had
the ratio knob offers more subtle ratios of 1:1, 2:1, and 3:1 (in straightforward way of describing its style of compression is good experiences as a studio musician using Aviom’s 16-
addition to 5:1 and 10:1), so it’s capable of being inconspicuous that whatever you process sounds more intense. Sometimes channel digital mixers, so I started there, and honestly never
if it needs to be. The two other main elements of the Vocal with other more transparent compressors, you work hard to find really looked back. While the upshot is that we are extremely
Stressor are the 4-band parametric EQ and the expander; the EQ a sweet spot that creates a sense of intensity, but it’s really easy happy with our system, it is not without a couple minor
allows you to boost and cut the same frequencies as a Pultec, to do with the +10db and its soft-knee curve. And what is concerns, which I will describe below. But let’s start at the
while the expander is unique in its ability to operate at the perhaps most powerful, even more so than in the original unit, beginning, with installation.
same time as the compressor. Additionally, in side-chain mode, is the ability to take something right to the edge of nastiness When trying to decide between an analog and digital
the EQ allows you to compress a drum bus without the kick and then dial in some dry signal with the wet/dry knob. Another multichannel cue system, there is one factor that really makes
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pumping the gain reduction, or you can use the compressor as fun and rather obvious use is utilizing the compressor as a killer it an unfair fight: cabling. For Figure 8, I calculated our cue
a colorful de-esser (formerly pre-emphasis mode on Compex de-esser, and then instantiating another +10db plug-in to do line runs at around 1600 ft total for both rooms. That amount
compressors). At the end of the chain is a limiter that is fixed your compression. You can both have your cake and de-ess it of high-quality (Gepco or equivalent) 16-pair analog cable
at 100:1, harking back to its intended use in broadcasting. too. Grab the free demo, and see if it’s right for you.
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would cost roughly $5,000, whereas that amount of shielded
The +10db plug-in bundle faithfully models the Vocal (Compressor $99, EQ $99, both $199; www.bozdigitallabs.com) Cat 6A (Ethernet) cable was well under $500. (And that’s for
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Cat 5e as well, but I wanted to future-proof our runs.) In addition
to cost, there’s also the question of conduit space. Gepco 22 AWG
16-pair is approaching an inch in diameter. You can get at least
four Cat 6A cables in that same amount of conduit space, which
was absolutely essential to us in the end, since it allowed us to put
a couple spare lines through each in-wall run. A side benefit of
running Cat 6A to every panel in our studio is that there are now
convertor boxes for many other types of data to run over those
lines. We’re running USB, MIDI, and HDMI (for getting video to the
recording spaces for film scores and the like) over the spare lines
with great success, but we can allocate those jacks to the cue
system with a simple crosspatch.
One of our main requirements for the cue system was that we
could patch to any panel from either control room, so a
percussionist downstairs could easily overdub onto a session
running upstairs, for instance. This was achieved quite easily with a
couple of simple, affordable Cable Matters RJ45 patch panels in the
machine room, where all cue lines terminate. Via short Cat 6
jumpers, we can patch out of either of the two Aviom distribution
systems into any of the cue jacks in the building. When deciding on
a distributor, we chose Aviom’s stripped-down half-rack A-16D over
the more full-featured D800. At four times the price, the D800 offers
a bunch of features that we figured we would never use, such as
support for up to 64 channels and direct integration with digital
mixing consoles. The A-16D functions like a simple PoE (Power over
Ethernet) switch (as they’re called in the networking world), and the
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only catch is that it doesn’t provide its own power for each of the
eight Ethernet lines; you need a separate 24 V wall wart for each line
you want to drive. With eight extra wall warts, you still come in way
under the price of a D800, and luckily, the power supplies can be
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attached to the back of the A-16D in whatever rack enclosure you
have it in, so there is still a single Ethernet connection to each
personal mixer which provides both power and audio, eliminating
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extra cabling and mess in the live room.
Speaking of the personal mixers, there are currently two
options: the A320 and A360. The A-16II mixer some of you may be
familiar with (the clunky blue thing slightly resembling Boba Fett’s
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face mask), has been discontinued, and frankly there are a few
features I was surprised to see Aviom do away with. One is the
ability to daisy-chain boxes; both the A320 and A360 require a
“home run” directly to a distribution hub. The other, at least vis-à-
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vis the entry level A320, is knobs. The A320 has only two knobs: a
Master Volume and a rotary encoder. The latter determines either
channel volume, channel stereo position, or master tone settings,
depending on which button you press before turning it. Normally
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would be a learning curve for musicians using the A320 for the first
time, and there is, but it’s very short.
At the opposite end of the spectrum is the A360, which has a ton
of extra features and functions, like built-in decent-sounding reverb,
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an internal mic for piping in some of the ambient sound of the room
around you, tone controls for each channel in addition to the master
controls, both mini and 1/4’’ headphone jacks, and an analog mono
output of your mix for feeding a speaker or an amp. Plus, it’s got
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from a central location. But I would say most of the features are more
suited for large theater or live productions, and seem like overkill in
a medium-sized studio setting. (Touring musicians take note:
bringing an Aviom system around with you for driving your in-ears or
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in half simply by splitting these supposed stereo tracks and
amount of self-noise in the onboard amplifier itself, which is
keeping the mono data. Thanks to the folks at Soundizers
present even with all input channels all the way down. The
and the release of their StereoMonoizer application, the
good news is twofold: one, since the feed is digital, the noise
process of analyzing and converting audio files has been
doesn’t increase at all as you turn up each input channel
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streamlined and automated.
(unless the signals themselves are noisy, of course); two, with
The standalone StereoMonoizer application (Mac OS and
the proper headphone choice, this noise falls below the
Windows) provides a large dropzone where you may drag and
threshold of annoyance for almost all types of music (and we
drop single audio files or a folder of audio files. Keep in mind
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work on a lot of very quiet music here at Figure 8). Low
impedance headphones are the trick — our 38 Ω ATH-M50
headphones [Tape Op #63] work for more types of music than
the 250 Ω Beyerdynamic DT 770 we have. The lower
that the files must be either WAV or AIFF format. The
program goes about analyzing the files for stereo content,
resulting in a file-by-file report (single channel mono; stereo
file, mono content; stereo file, stereo content; stereo file,
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impedance gives your headphone amp more headroom, so the
panned hard left; etc.) and a waveform display of how much
Master Volume can live around noon to 2 o’clock, where it
“stereo-ness” (“stereocity”?) each file contains. After
sounds best. In any case, I don’t plan on using the Aviom
analysis, the user may choose if and how to convert each file.
system for critical precision headphone monitoring, as that’s
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available everywhere!
the classic Neumann badge on the front of the mic.
The original U 47 fet was intended to recreate the sound of the tube-based U 47 in a
solid-state model, but initially, it was not nearly as popular a mic. Many did find, however,
that it worked beautifully in front of a kick drum, an acoustic bass, and later electric bass
cabinets. This is how I had come to know and love this mic’s ability to capture the full
picture of sources heavy in low-frequencies. Great studios around the world likely have at
least one vintage U 47 fet in their mic locker, and with good reason.
Out of the box, the reissue product says quality. Even the outer cardboard packaging has
a slick, faux leather finish. The mic comes in a cherry wood box with dense foam lining for
a snug fit. A swivel mount is fixed on one side of the mic, and the XLR connector sits at
the bottom of the mic body. On the back of the mic, there are switches for attenuation
(−10 dB) and low-cut filter (40 or 140 Hz). On the bottom is an output level switch (−6 dB).
Recording bottom-heavy sources was my first stop. Not surprisingly, the U 47 fet
delivered a big, fat truckload of goodness to kick drum, and it made life easy when
planted in front of an Ampeg B-15 cabinet as well as my acoustic bass — full bodied and
extended, with nice clarity on all of the above. It was easy and fuss-free to get to a great
sound and tone. I looked around the studio to see what else I could throw at it. Timpani?
Wurlitzer through the Kustom? Killing. This reissue delivered the sound this mic is
“known” for. Like an Oxford-educated playboy Paul Bunyon in a Jil Sander suit — tough,
articulate, well-toned, immaculately presented, and smooth. But what else can it do?
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$4000 is a lot of bread for mid-level studios and weekend warriors who need their mics
to excel in more than one application.
In addition to recorded music, I do a fair amount of audio for film and video. The U 47 fet
had just arrived, and although it’s not the normal choice for a location recording, I thought
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I’d put it into service in a non-traditional way. We had to record an on-camera interview
with a female subject. The mic had to be out of the shot, away from her mouth, and I
needed some meat on the bone in terms of tone. It delivered a nicely balanced warm tone
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without any hype and was extremely quiet. It would make for an excellent broadcast mic
(although you’d better be doing one hell of a podcast to justify the cost).
Each year I get roped into doing the audio, sound effects, and music for my daughter’s
school play. I typically end up recording many of the sound effects myself rather than
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downloading them from iTunes. The sound of “magic” was required for the stage production,
and Hazel handed me her baby chime/rattle that she thought would fit the bill. She was
right. This particular item sounds like fairies on helium — perfect. Now, let’s get the mic
that the world uses for massive meaty kick drums and record some magic fairies. Well, it
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captured this tone with incredible realism — very smooth, warm, and pleasing to the ear.
Although not a “known” go-to for high-frequency and detail recording, I liked what the
U 47 fet did to smooth the top end. For the sake of hearing it, I took a few whacks at some
different cymbals. Again, I liked the warmth and smoothness.
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Recording a strummed Gibson Dove flattop steel-string acoustic guitar with the U 47 fet
pointed at the twelfth fret resulted in a balanced tone with a nice, mellow top end. What
I really liked was that it didn’t have a hyped sound that many modern mics impart. There
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EQ well to sculpt it into a dense mix, but sounded lovely left alone and paired with a vocal.
Tape Op Books I expected this mic to sound solid on electric guitar, and it did not disappoint. I put it
up in front of my Vox AC30, plugged in a Telecaster, and cranked it up. All the shimmer and
Are Available In shine was there, stewed gloriously with the grit and meat. What a treat — it sounded just
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like the amp in the room. I would go to this mic for guitars all the time. It captured a
realism that is missing from the typical SM57 setup. The SM57 is absolutely a great choice
Hal Leonard in many situations, but the U 47 fet simply had more life. And, for the price tag, it should!
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I also thought it was a great choice for female vocals that were a tad harsh or peaky. It
smoothed them out and lessened the need for EQ and frequency-dependent compression.
On male rock vocals, I found that its slight rise in the 2 kHz and up range helped it cut
through nicely, but without any brashness. Because of its high SPL-handling capabilities, it
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was good in front of a loud rock vocal and didn’t collapse like some condensers do when
used in this way. As is the case across the board, you can find a combination of
mic/preamp/singer that meets your needs. For male vocals, I liked this mic paired with a
Daking (Trident A-Range style) preamp (Tape Op #45 & #71). The Daking complemented the
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Demeter
Built in our barn in Templeton CA I would still probably use this mic where it shines the pretty much universal. I had no issues testing in Pro Tools 11
greatest, on kick drum, bass, or other low-end rich sources [Tape Op #101 online] or Ableton Live 9 [#95], although many
that need capturing in the most complete and compelling instruments can be fairly processor-intensive, particularly in
amplification
way. Bass players and drummers will be thrilled to hear the sample-based applications like Kontakt with high instance
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authority. Guitar players will swoon at the balance and counts and CPU loads aligned fairly well with other similar
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beauty of a mic, and anyone owning one will find great joy Komplete is a serious composition tool, one that could be
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in putting it to work in a variety of situations. For a mic that almost overwhelming in its depth and complexity. This is
sales@demeteramps.com has a street rep as a kick drum mic, it sure serves its master where the integration with the Kontrol keyboards really shines;
well for many a task. ($3,999 street; www.neumann.com) the keyboard controller has a built-in browser function that
–Geoff Stanfield <www.geoffstanfieldrecording.com> calls up a simplified navigation structure for all of the Komplete
Native Instruments
Komplete Kontrol S49 keyboard
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the Komplete Kontrol plug-in into an open MIDI track, press
the Browse button on the keyboard, and go. The browse
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window itself pops up in your DAW and maximizes the screen
You guys, my home studio now sounds like the Blade real-estate with clear type and graphics. (It’s obvious that the
Runner soundtrack, and looks like the set of TRON. And, browser was meant to be legible from across the control room
what? There are Ks where all the Cs should be! Wait — or stage.) Having the browser feature alone makes Komplete
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lemme explain. feel much more spontaneous and inspired. And if this “browse,
Native Instruments sent us their latest MIDI controller discover, and load” hardware integration with Komplete feels a
keyboard to test, the Kontrol S-series, along with the latest tad familiar to NI’s now-discontinued Kore controller [#54],
iteration of their flagship software instrument bundle, well, frankly, it is — and it isn’t. Komplete Kontrol feels more
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Komplete 10 Ultimate. As one would expect, the two are tightly like it has taken on the duty of presenting the entire Komplete
integrated, with many features of the software not only library as one practical, browsable system of sounds and
directly controllable from the hardware controller, but presets, and it succeeds at that task, whereas Kore was
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performance-enhanced in ways that wouldn’t be possible via a ambitious to a fault with its broader scope including third-
standard MIDI integration. We received the 49-key Kontrol S49, party plug-in mapping. You can always dive deeper within the
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but it also is available in 25-key and 61-key versions. All three Controller Editor software mentioned above to create your own
are similar, with semi-weighted key action, automatic templates and mappings, but out of the box, this controller is
parameter mapping to the eight touch-sensitive rotary meant to work seamlessly with NI’s instrument library.
encoders, built-in arpeggiator, and an LED-driven performance The Kontrol keyboard has a nice, clean Darth Vader–esque
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and control feedback system NI calls Light Guide (Why not look, and feels like a serious instrument that belongs in a
“Light Cycle”?). Kontrol requires an external power supply in studio. The Fatar keybed isn’t spongey, and the encoders,
addition to the USB connection to the host computer, and also buttons, display, and ribbons are all high quality. Yes,
offers MIDI I/O, plus expression and sustain pedal inputs. ribbons — the mod and pitch wheels have been supplanted
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As software libraries go, Komplete 10 Ultimate is ginormous by these cool touch-sensitive strips with customizable physics.
and does away with the multi-DVD installers in favor of a single If you want to get an endless ping-pong mod parameter going,
2.5’’ USB 2.0 hard drive to facilitate the installation. If you it’s possible. The display strip below the encoders is clean and
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choose to install all of it, you’ll end up with 320–440 GB of legible, and the automatic parameter mapping just works. Most
instruments, effects, and sound manglers, including stalwarts instruments have at least two pages of parameters (some many
like Kontakt and Reaktor, plus new innovative instruments like more), so it’s nice that the most commonly used parameters,
Rounds. I went for it and installed everything, but specified like filter and envelope, are always present on the first page.
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features on this keyboard controller. I’m a terrible keyboardist, yet
d:dicate ST2011A stereo cardioid mic kit
often find myself writing melodies and harmonies — on the damn d:dicate MMC2006 omni mic capsule
keyboard. Punishing myself, like an ape-man learning to use a d:dicate SBS0400 stereo boom
Commodore 64, I hammer away until something useful can be When I was in school at the University of Michigan, I did a
carved out of the hours of, um, “improvisation” I’ve tracked. Well, lot of recital recording of ensembles and piano. Through this, I
similar to the way the scale modes work on Ableton Push [Tape learned that all the orchestra recording was done with DPA mics
Op #97], Kontrol has an option to remove any non-standard notes (marketed under the Brüel & Kjær brand), which were
from a particular scale, and another feature that allows chord sets apparently the best of the best. So I was excited to test and
to be played with a single key. I think you can see where I’m going review several products from DPA: a d:dicate ST2011A stereo kit,
with this; hardware tricks like this can be a force of good or a force which includes two 2011A cardioid condenser mics, clips,
of evil, my friends — it really depends on the application of said windscreens, and a waterproof Pelican case; two MMC2006 omni
trick. In my case, I’ve been doing a great deal of short film scoring capsules; and the SBS0400 modular stereo boom with
and also building quick and dirty content for the web, both of shockmounts. I’ve been out of the recital business for a while
which require high production value in a short amount of time. and had not heard of these models, so I avoided looking up
Using the chord modes, grounded in Komplete’s cinematic strings, prices until I was done testing. I knew that the B&K line was
Action Strikes, and the on-board arpeggiator, I was able to build quite expensive, and I didn’t want that to cloud my judgement.
some really stellar soundtrack-worthy material for a short film The first order of business was to record a freshly tuned 2009
project with a deadline that would make John Barry blush. And Steinway Model B in a beautiful room with vaulted ceilings. I
with a recent update to the Kontrol software, you can now “write” brought along what I would have tried if I hadn’t had the
arpeggio or chord performance information back into your DAW for DPAs — my trusty pair of Audio-Technica AT4051 cardioids with
further editing, or to simply archive your performance. With a little AT4049-EL omni capsules (used many times on the
creative MIDI routing, I had the Kontrol keyboard sending aforementioned recitals) along with the recently reviewed
arpeggio and chord MIDI data, locked to a particular scale, to my Monoprice 600700 [Tape Op #98] and 600850 [#105] mics. For
Teenage Engineering OP-1 synthesizer — all via USB. I could even one pass, I mounted the d:dicate MMC2006 omni capsules onto
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go back and manipulate that data after tracking it to my DAW. the MMP-A preamp bodies of the d:dicate 2011A mics, and placed
Pretty cool. the mics over the strings, facing the player, but angled down
Another nice addition to the controller is its advanced host towards the back of the piano, using the beautifully engineered
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integration, which allows for transport controls and automatic d:dicate SBS0400 stereo boom. The boom allows for precise
track focus within the most recent versions of Ableton Live, spacing and angle setting, for various stereo techniques, of which
Cubase, Nuendo, or Logic X. This means if you navigate to another I chose X-Y. Only the angle adjustment has tick marks, so bring
instance of Komplete Kontrol in another track (within any of those a tape measure if you’re doing ORTF. The Lyre shockmounts could
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four DAWs), the controller parameters automatically follow. The
hardware automatically switches to MIDI mode if a third-party
plug-in is present in the track. This advanced integration is not
not handle the weight of my bulky cables, and no matter how I
dressed the cables, I couldn’t get the Lyres to sit quite right, but
the setup worked nevertheless. Bring thinner cables. I think thin
available in Pro Tools. Hopefully, NI will expand that feature to Pro cables would fit in with the overall theme of the accessories —
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Tools soon. Note that you can still access, browse, and control stealth. For instance, all the mic holders’ pivots are tightened by
your Komplete library in Pro Tools, you’re just missing out on the a small screw; there’s no fitting a coin in there — you need a
transport controls, track selection, and automatic track focus. screwdriver. Clearly, the stuff is designed for doing live recording
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The Light Guide feature, which illuminates notes as they are and sound reinforcement as invisibly as possible, by the kind of
played, or conveniently illustrates parameter/sample mappings pros that bring their toolbox to gigs. The ATs with omni capsules
across the keyboard, can be disabled, but why would you do that? were placed over and behind the player’s head. I recorded four
It looks so cool! But maybe I’ve watched too many early ‘80s sci- tracks at 24-bit, 96 kHz. Then I swapped in the cardioid capsules
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fi films. Light Guide is also very handy if you wish to display notes on both pairs of mics for a second pass. I followed that with two
within a particular scale as mentioned above, or if you’re a live more passes after switching placement of the AT and DPA mics,
performer who needs to set up specific key mappings. and then swapping capsules again. Finally, I tried the Monoprice
This is truly a great controller keyboard. Although the price 600700 mics with omni capsules over the strings, while the
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may seem a bit steep, that price includes Komplete Select — ten 600850 mics were in a Blumlein pair in the aforementioned
NI instruments from Komplete, including one of their stellar behind-the-head setup.
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sampled pianos (The Gentleman), vintage organs, and the always In all cases, I liked some mix of the string and rear mics,
fun Retro Machines (a deep collection of analog synth instruments and overall, I can tell you the DPA mics crushed the others, but
sampled from rare original instruments like the Crumar all the tones we got would be considered good in the right
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Orchestrator, Korg MiniKorg-700, and Moog Memorymoog). That’s context. The DPA d:dicate mics would excel at audiophile piano
a bargain if you don’t want to plunk down $500 for the full recording of any kind; they sounded by far most like the piano
Komplete suite (or $1000 for Komplete 10 Ultimate). And if you in the room. I wished I’d had a second pair, because the omni
are someone who has invested in NI’s Komplete ecosystem, this is capsules won the rear shootout and the cardioids won the
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a no-brainer pairing. Although it functions just fine as a standard strings shootout for fidelity. The Audio-Technica AT4051/4049
MIDI controller, I couldn’t imagine using Komplete without this mics would be appropriate for a softer sound. They were very
keyboard. And there is just so much within Komplete to explore; I pillowy, and closer to “Hey Jude” than hi-fi, in a nice and
could get pleasantly lost inside the new Rounds synth and dreamy way. The Monoprice mics were bluesy and imparted a
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Polyplex drum machine alone, not to mention the 40-bajillion honky-tonk tone, which may sound like an insult to a mic, but
other potential sounds available in the Komplete 10 Ultimate that’s a pretty good trick if you can do it to a freshly maintained
library. Fun stuff. (Komplete Kontrol S49 $599, Komplete 10 Steinway. The Blumlein pair by itself made the piano sound
Ultimate $999 ($399 update); www.native-instruments.com)
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–Dana Gumbiner <www.danagumbiner.com> ambience mixed low.
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I compared the aforementioned piano mics, sans the 600850s, by measuring with my usual
setup in an untreated room — not accurate for reference, but ok for comparisons. This was
interesting, because the traces were not that different from each other, but the sound of the
mics is obviously different. I think this is rooted in the time-domain; i.e. the transient response
of the DPAs seems to outclass that of the other mics (and my speakers too).
I tried the DPAs in my home studio, on acoustic steel-string guitar, drum overheads,
and male and female vocals. In all cases, they outperformed whatever I was comparing
them to in terms of fidelity. As with the piano recording, any given mic sounded pretty
good until you compared them to the DPAs, but other mics might still be chosen for
“flavor” in the right context.
The DPA d:dicate mics and accessories that I tested are all built so well. The capsules screw
on effortlessly, and the finish is low-reflective and scratch resistant. They are durable, proven
by dropping an omni capsule from about belly height right after measuring. It hit my shoe and
then rolled on the hardwood floor. I measured it again immediately, and the results were
exactly the same, and there were no dings. Sorry about that DPA — but nice build quality to
be sure. The d:dicate capsules use two mini diaphragms, a great idea that optimizes noise
performance and transient response. I encourage you to look up more about that. These may
be the ultimate “if you can only have one mic” mics. I was praying to the audio gods that
these are from a new budget line, but their top-notch quality means they’ve got to be
expensive. How much are they? Oh yeah, this is the good stuff. They are an amazing value for
what they are though, in the same way a Porsche 911 is, and I’m not being ironic. If it’s any
consolation, the mics in the d:dicate 20-series are about half the price of those in the 40-series.
Special thanks to the esteemed Gary Schultheis for his help.
(ST2011A kit $1,979, 2011A cardioid mic $949 each, MMC2006 omni capsule $499 each,
SBS0400 stereo boom $479; www.dpamicrophones.com)
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Audient
ASP880 8-channel mic preamp & ADC
I first came across the ASP880 when I was looking to expand my mic preamp inputs for an
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upcoming recording project. I was looking for a multichannel preamp unit to augment my
collection without breaking the bank. I found many of the usual suspects (e.g., API, Daking,
TRUE Systems, etc.) too expensive for the project’s budget, so I kept searching for a more cost-
effective unit. I settled on a stellar solution in the Audient ASP880. The unit contains eight
mic preamps in a single rackspace, and when you divide the street price of $1399 by eight, you
get a very reasonable cost of about $175 per channel. Now that is certainly a bang-for-buck
price tag, but in true infomercial style, “Wait, there’s more!” I’m happy to say that you really
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do get more with this box — a lot more.
Aesthetically, the ASP880 looks great with its attractive silver faceplate and colorful light-
up buttons, but let’s talk about all the physical I/O on this thing. To start, the front panel gives
you control over the eight mic preamps, which are the same Class A design as found on
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Audient’s flagship console. Two discrete JFET DI’s are available on channels 1 and 2 in front.
In back are the mic and line–level inputs. Each channel has switching for 48 V phantom power,
−10 dB pad, polarity reverse, and input impedance (220, 1200, or 2800 Ω), as well as knobs
for gain (0–60 dB) and high-pass filter (25–250 Hz). Small LEDs indicate signal and peak. In
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which can also be used for direct access to the ADC channel, bypassing the preamp circuit. For
this price, you wouldn’t think that we’d even be talking about A/D conversion (more on this
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their previous ASP008 offering.
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The back of the unit has eight Neutrik Combo jacks (XLR and TRS) for the inputs. The
aforementioned analog inserts are on two DB25 connectors. Eight channels of digital output
are on DB9 (AES3 or S/PDIF) and ADAT optical (two of which are provided for S/MUX at higher
sampling rates). A BNC word clock input includes switchable termination.
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So, what about the mic preamps? How do they sound? Great. Each channel is made up of
eight discrete transistors and an op amp, and the sound is clean and transparent with plenty
of headroom on tap. Compared to some of my other preamps, the Audient seemingly has less
character and color, but if you drive the Audient preamp a little harder, it can impart some
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analog goodness to your signal. I believe the Audient design is on par with preamps that cost
significantly more and offer fewer onboard tools. Speaking of onboard tools, I found the input
impedance to be very useful in getting tonally different sounds out of some of my dynamic and
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ribbon mics. There were a few tracks in a recent session that benefited from this feature, and
I’m sure I’ll employ it again. The high-pass filter is handy and useful for getting rid of some of
the “flub” when you need to, polarity reverse and phantom power do what they should, and
with regards to noise floor, the ASP880 is pretty dang quiet.
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A lot of the credit to really pulling this release together goes to Jan Haust, who oversaw transfer of original tapes,
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along with famed engineer Peter J. Moore and Garth Hudson’s input. Some tapes even needed to be physically ironed
by hand, which Peter did! It was mastered by Peter at the E Room, in Toronto, Canada, with additional mastering by
Mark Wilder at Battery Studios, NYC. The set was produced for release by Jeff Rosen (manager of Dylan’s business and
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music publishing), Jan Haust, Steve Berkowitz, and compiled by Jeff Rosen.
Hearing multiple versions of “Nothing Was Delivered” performed in different styles is a treat; there’s just so much
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to take in here that you can spend most of a day immersed in it. Sound quality varies, from distorted and blown out
(some of disc one and most of disc six), to warm, deep, and inviting. My favorite bits are hearing Dylan talk about the
recording process: “Why don’t you shut it off and I’ll see how it’s recording,” is something we hear early on. After a
rough pass at “The Hills of Mexico” Dylan surmises, “You don’t have to take this one down, Garth. You’re wasting tape.”
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And later there’s a quick, “What do ya say we hear some of that, Garth?” In many ways we’ve always assumed that
these tapes were a magical glimpse into an informal session or jam, but this chatting lets us know that Dylan is more
than aware that tape is rolling, and that something is being captured. Partly I would assume they had a limited amount
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of reels to record onto, and back in the analog-only days we all had to ration tape. Would the next take be better or
worse if one was recording over the previous pass? It was a different era, in many ways.
Of course, none of this would matter if Bob Dylan didn’t write great songs, and if Garth, Rick Danko, Richard Manuel,
Robbie Robertson, and Levon Helm (on some tracks) didn’t know how to have fun and play some excellent parts in a
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chill environment. As Dylan recalled a few years later, “You know, that’s really the way to do a recording – in a peaceful,
relaxed setting in somebody’s basement, with the widows open and a dog lying on the floor.”
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Q2 Audio months with rare exception, and I quickly learned that the
F760X-RS really performs — from subtle, barely audible
Since our mix had a lot of low-end information, the F760X-RS
seemed a bit grabby on the bassy material, but this was
ADR Compex F760X-RS pumping or ducking, to extreme reshaping effects. For sure, nothing a little side-chaining couldn’t solve. The resulting mix
dynamics processor sounds take a minute to get to, due to the vast control over was super-polished and slightly more aggressive than we were
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I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how we evolve as the circuit, but settings are easily recallable via the detented going for, so we dialed it back, and it was great — upfront
engineers, and in a way, it’s my favorite part of the job. You knobs that the unit sports. and with character, super pro but not too slick.
wake up one day and realize you are doing something totally I finally moved the F760X-RS when Chris Bathgate came in Like most engineers, I remember the first time I heard Led
differently, like the day I realized I’d stopped obsessively to record with his collaborative group SKULLLS. Chris is a Zeppelin, and for me, this totally coincides with the first time
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fighting phase issues between bass DI and mic signal. In searcher. His music ranges from rootsy, psychedelic groove folk I was aware that records are made. Until then, I thought that
this case, a piece of gear helped — the Little Labs IBP [Tape to astute, new school compositional piano rock. SKULLLS falls 25 ft tall rock gods created what was coming out of my dad’s
Op #33]. As time goes on, I notice I’m not fighting for into the latter category. Ben Gajino plays drums for this outfit. stereo. (Gimme a break; I was 9 at the time.) The fact is
sounds as often. This is due to the fact that I’ve been
making records for a while now, and doubtless, the gear here
has gotten much better. Recently, I’ve been noticing the
same phenomena in regards to drum sounds here at High
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he can do nearly anything. Intrigued by its fast and aggressive
behavior, I moved the F760X-RS from the room mics to the
kick and snare. I almost always use a dbx 165 or UREI 1178
though, that even to my young ears, I sensed something
different was happening on those recordings. A decade and a
half later, in the mid ‘90s, I got a job at the incredible
Ultrasuede Studio. We had a “live” room that was mostly
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Bias — more on this later. This is, however, due solely to the in this role. Ben’s snare dynamics are intensely expressive, and carpet, so room mics sounded comb-filtered and weird. I’d put
addition of the Q2 Audio ADR Compex Limiter F760X-RS. the F760X-RS did amazing things to the transient response. I pegboard all over the floors and walls, but to minimal avail.
The Compex began life as a limiter used for cutting started out just adjusting the compression controls and then Anytime I worked in other rooms or houses that were more
records, and over time, it was modified incrementally into got into some serious sculpting. This thing can really change reflective, I’d put the drums somewhere live and position mics
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what it is today with compressor and expander/gate the whole sound and behavior of tracks. After drum tracking, where I thought they should go — and then sat there
sections. It is a feedback type FET limiter/compressor, which we moved on to piano using a pair of Josephson C42 wondering where the “Bonham” was. (It turns out the drummer
means the sidechain input is taken from the output. The condenser mics [Tape Op #34], Rascal Audio Two-V preamps matters!) A decade or so passed, and I got a room I liked here
Compex is responsible for the sound you hear on [#102], and the F760X-RS. The same was true here, and a in Detroit. Still experimenting, we put mics everywhere here.
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countless records; most notably, it’s the box behind the drum whole range of sounds was achieved — from barely audible, Over the course of 200 or so records, I didn’t really realize I was
sound on “When the Levee Breaks.” Due to this, the Compex yet super functional compression, to all-out crusher sounds. chasing this sound I heard as a youth. Some of this was due to
became a legendary and coveted piece. I’ve always silently This day, I started experimenting with the limiter. The the fact that not every band needs or wants drum sounds like
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watched eBay auctions and muttered, “Some day....” Enter F760X-RS has a 250 µs, 100:1 limiter, that when employed, this, and also to the ubiquitous nature of this sound and its
Tim Mead the genius behind the reissue/improvement of this takes care of any peaks that may have snuck through. We had imitations. I took it for granted and simultaneously assumed it
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venerable box. Tim is local to me in Detroit, and he’s long the compressor and expander set just right for effect, but the was unattainable. The F760X-RS has made me realize just how
been the go-to tech guy here, so when he told me he was initial piano hits were a little intense. I kicked in the limiter, much the fabric of my engineering modus operandi was sewn
working on an ADR Compex reissue, my ears perked right up. and problem solved. together with the threads of this box. It’s exactly what I wanted
He dropped one off one day, and with a short tutorial, I was The next use of the F760X-RS was for a mix with for the above applications, and I never knew it until it showed
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off to the races. Out of the box, this thing is handsome and Beekeepers, a band of free rock upstarts from Hamtramck, up. Furthermore, I never realized how magic that sound was
sturdy as hell, and setup is as easy as can be. Tim hipped me MI. They make beautiful and strange art rock. Like Talk Talk and how integral it would become to me, even at this stage of
to the gain-staging and how to dial it in — slightly meets Tall Dwarfs with David Stoughton. Jeff Else is their the game. ($2,750 street; www.q2audio.com)
drummer, and he records their stuff at home using minimal –Chris Koltay <www.highbiasrecordings.com>
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The first task for this box was, big surprise, drum room mics and a simple Logic 9 rig. The sound is very Conny Plank.
mics! The band for this date were Atlanta psychedelic dance Super fun to mix. We put the F760X-RS on the drum bus at
wizards Hollow Stars. These guys play songs that are long and mix, and it was simply magic. Before I even starting turning
see more of our
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totally absorb the listener. Drummer Devin Brown is a machine knobs, it brought the drums to life in a beautiful way. That’s
in the best way. He just knows how to hold it all down and
keep the groove happening for the duration of these
one of the things I noticed time and again — the F760X-RS
brings the material to front in a really natural way, and from
bonus/archived
11 minute jams. Here at High Bias, we have four Shure SM82 there, you can continue to trick out the dynamics to really reviews online!
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mics hanging in the live room at all times. I permanently dial it in. On this day, we used the limiter in pre-emphasis
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It’s the Process, not the Processing
by Larry Crane
For the last six months I’ve worked on an album that’s very much steeped in
the style of the classic mid-century crooners. Artists like Frank Sinatra, Tony
Bennett, Johnny Mathis, and Julie London cut some classic “American songbook”
sides back in the ‘50s and ‘60s; the record I was working on was inspired, and
informed, by this era. As we began setting up for the first day of recording, it was
obvious that the premise was to make the album “feel” like one of those older
tunes, but not to try and imitate the “sound” of an old record. In other words, there
Borrowing one
mic isn’t going to
was no edict to upgrade or modernize the sound of the band or vocalist, but there
was also no order to imitate the older records. The conversations around this
magically bring
decision were interesting, and it was refreshing to feel free to let the music,
arrangements, and performances create the sound of the album. There was a fair
amount of bleed between the grand piano and drums (mostly played with brushes),
and a room tone emerged that felt right to everyone involved. Sure, I used some any track to life in
older (and older style) mics, gear, and tape decks; but if it didn’t bring out the best
the way of one of
these older
in an instrument I swapped it out. In the end, if this record had been created with
pristine, isolated, brightly EQ’d and overly compressed (i.e., “modern”) tracks,
songs.
there’s no chance that it would feel as deep and natural as what we created.
Capturing the feel and mood was something that had to happen from the start.
I’ve had people call me, asking to rent “vintage sounding mics” so that their
recordings could have some sort of classic tone. In one case, classic early singles
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by The Who came up and I had to say, “That’s a wild drummer, in a great sounding
room, with probably one condenser mic hanging above him, playing on a fantastic
song. There was likely a tube mic pre, compressor, and tape deck used. But I’ll bet I used to get a lot of bands coming to record with me that were
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you anything the engineer was fighting the dynamic and sonic limitations of the afraid of the recording studio. “Don’t make us sound like Def Leppard
tape deck.” All of these elements inform the sound of tracks like this. Borrowing or Mötley Crüe,” they’d say. I’d reply, “Do you know how hard it is to
one mic isn’t going to magically bring any track to life in the way of one of these make a record like that? I can’t just turn a knob and make something
older songs. sound like those bands! It takes months of hard work to do that.”
Another time a musician emailed me, asking how to make his recorded tracks
sound more like old reggae and ska when mixing. I couldn’t even imagine how to
il People focus a lot on the mixing process these days, and I
understand and embrace that. Heck, it’s partly how I make a living.
it’s never
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begin. For reference I listened to some old Skatalites tracks. Sure, there wasn’t the But record production comes in many forms, and
same kind of high-frequency information like a modern album, but to simply roll as simple as some processing
off high end would not yield the same results. These tracks were usually cut live, applied all over previously recorded
and once again the bleed in the room, and instruments laying down tracks together, tracks that creates great art.
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creates the core of the band’s sound. There’s no magic reverb setting or compression
ratio that will make a song feel like these old recordings! If you want your recordings to have depth, complexity, and be
able to withstand multiple listens, you need to focus on the whole
process. Learn how classic records were really made, and make sure
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