The following individuals are present in this Interview transcript

Ms. Amor Mia Arandia MA, RPsy

Clinical Psychologist
Mr. Albert Arcega Rpm
Head Interviewer
Ms. Anna Patricia Sevilla Rpm
Co-Interviewer
Kristian Alexei M. De Vera MA, AAETS
(a.k.a Kristian Aleksei Ledda) Interviewer Support

Date: April 10, 2018 Tuesday

Call Time: 7:00 pm
Interview Duration: 7:40 – 9:00 pm (this is an approximation, please correct it)
Venue: Mall of Asia, Commercial Coffee Shop
Location: Magsaysay Blvd, Pasay City
Mode of Communication: combination of Filipino (Tagalog) language and some English
Mode of Transcription: Audio to Manual (paper and pencil), some responses in may not have been
transcribed with the low audibility in open air acoustics
Interview Response Contextualization: Written at the right side corner, transposed or translated in
English based on the understanding of the transcriber
Transposition and Translation objective: derive the most relevant response and eliminate vocal fillers
and personal expressions
Interview Transcription: Kristian Alexei M. De Vera
Transcription date: April 14, 2008 Saturday

Mr. Albert Arcega arrived around 5:00 pm, followed by Ms. Anna Patricia Sevilla at a certain time, and
Kristian Alexei De Vera 15 minutes before the agreed schedule.

Below are the Transcript of the Interview, beyond the detailed standard guided questions provided by
Prof. Eduardo Caligner PhD., RGC but I hope the responses here has its qualitative value that post
practical relevance to aspiring professionals and those already in the field of practice

The details of this transcript entails the third part of the interview, its last 26 plus minutes

59:14 Kristian Alexei: Do you advocate ma’am that there should be psychotherapy over medication

59:18 Amor Mia: a, ah, depende kasi

59:19 Kristian Alexei: o hand in hand?

59:20 Amor: hand in hand talaga e, depende… tsaka parang ako gusto ko dahil sa mental health bill baka
it can pave a way na mas maraming psychiatrists na mag work together with psychologists, kasi minsan
bihira ang psychiatrists or iilan lang ang psychiatrists na makikipag communicate talaga sa iyo. Ako nga
naranasan ko isnubin ng psychiatrist e, yun parang, we’re dealing with the same patient and I am asking
anong progress, (coughs) tapos puede ba ako tumawag sa kanya, tapos ano yun anu ba yun kailangan
nya, wala ini-isnub ako
Commented [b1]: The use of psychotherapy over
medication should be Hand in hand, and it depends on the
need. Personally, in emphasizing the mental health bill, I
would like to see psychiatrists and psychologists work
together. There are very few psychiatrists who will really
communicate with psychologist. I myself experienced being
snub by a psychiatrist while dealing with the same patient.
In trying to ask about progress, establish possible
communication, and collaborative targets.
59:57 Albert: (laugh’s) scene zoned
59:59 Amor Mia: parang ganun na nga
1:00:00 Albert: (laughs) hindi sila cooperative
1:00:08 Kristian Alexei: they see us, much like inferior or less than
1:00:10 Amor Mia: Oo less than yun tingin nila sa psychologists, pero I also met psychiatrist who are
really good, who respect you for your work. Mabuti na lang yun NGO na pinasukan ko, yun several years
na nag work ako doon, yun psychiatrists doon, child-psychiatrist siya talagang she works with us.
Kinukunsult nya kami ano sinasabi sa assessment, ano yun recommendation, kaya namulat ako doon sa
ganung set-up na nakita ko nakikipag collaborate ang psychiatrist sa amin. E nung, pag labas ko ng
foundation, may mga umi-isnub sa aking psychiatrists, sabi ko hindi pala lahat ng psychiatrists can work
with you
Albert: Ganun (feedback filler)
Amor Mia: so yun, yung mga isa sa posibleng puede mabawasan
1:00: 58 Albert: Very surprising, ganun talaga sa field
1:01:01 Amor Mia: Oo kaya parang, you value people na who works with you sa multi-disciplinary kasi
puedeng hindi rin sila makipag cooperate sa iyo e, may mga ego’s din kasi e, so yun, sa tingin ko din sa
work place magkakaroon din ng awareness sa mental health atsaka yun ano yung mga families, tingin ko
magbebenefit yun mga families, ahm they would have more interventions in access for their patients
01:01:31 Kristian Alexei: I also know that you work multi-culturally, ahm, not just, parang multi-
disciplinary but also multi-culturally, in terms of that mas madali bang kausapin ang foreign than fellow
Filipino
01:01:46 Amor Mia: Ano?, Ah, okay… yun foreign ahem (clears throat) kasi they respect you ang mga
foreigner maganda rin katrabaho nagwork din ako with foreigners for a long time. Sila, Very straight-to-
the point. Halimbawa, pag sinabi nilang ganito makipagargue yan sa iyo pero pag katapos nun, tapos nay
un. You can have a beer and talk to them again. Pero sa Pinoy pag kinunfront mo yan
01:02:16 Anna Patricia: Personalan na (laughs)
01:02:17 Amor Mia: Personalan na yan, di ka na papansinin nyan mga ilang araw, (Kris & Albert laugh’s
at the background) tapos yun mga proyekto mo haharangin. Yun ang di ko nagugustohan sa kulturang
pinoy pero ah, it was a good thing for me to work with foreigners also kasi dumating ako sa point na co-
therapist ko foreigner.. so mga ilang besses yun tapos co-trainor ko foreigner so parang nakita ko paano
sila magtrabaho. They are very straight to the point, very objective, tapos parang, parang they will really
appreciate you kapag okay ka makipag trabaho sa kanila.
01:02:57 Albert: napaka transparent nila
01:02:01 Amor Mia: ayun napaka transparent tapos sila yun mga tipong pag sa trabaho puede ka
makipag inuman sa kanila na parang di ka nila…they won’t mind what you are doing parang ganun yan,
pero pag, tsaka wala silang isyu sa work sabihin mo sa akin ang problema mo sa trabaho, ayusin natin
ganun sila makipag deal which is I like yun ganun culture, kaya nasanay din ako
Commented [b2]: I agree with their inferior view of the
psychologists, but I also met psychiatrist who are really
good, who respect psychologists for their value. The good
thing in my past work in an NGO, the child-psychiatrist
worked with us is collaborative, she consults us, inquires of
our assessment, recommendation. But, when I left the
foundation, I realized not all psychiatrists can work with
psychologist, there are psychiatrists who will snub you.
Commented [b3]: It is likely to encounter it, that is why
working in a multi-disciplinary team is important. The
challenge of non-cooperation is due to ego. In my view, with
the mental health bill awareness in the workplace will
increase, especially it will benefit families, and clients ease
of access of intervention
Commented [b4]: In my experience working in a multi-
cultural with multi-disciplinary setting. The foreign
[westerners, Europeans] respects you and works well with
you. They are straight-to-the point, if they want something
they will stand for it in a discourse but afterwards its done,
nothing personal. You can drink beer together and talk to
them. But with fellow Filipino’s when you confront them…
Commented [b5]: With Fellow Filipino’s it becomes
personal, they will ignore you, or impede your projects. This
is something I do not like with the Filipino culture. It’s a
great experience to have worked with the foreigners; I have
seen with my foreign co-therapist, and co-Trainor how they
work. They are straight-to-the point, very objective and they
will really appreciate your worth when you work well with
them.
Commented [b6]: They are open, at work you can mingle
with them, and they wouldn’t mind what you are doing [You
can be yourself] and they do not have problems working.
Tell them your problems and we will mend it, that is how
they deal. This culture is something I got used to and liked.
01:03:24 Albert: second to the last question

01:03:26 Anna Patricia: Wait lang, puede pasingit, ma’am mas open po ba sa mental health yun mga
foreign compared to

01:02:34 Amor Mia: Oo, kasi yun mga ibang bansa for example mga first world countries maganda kasi
yun programs nila ng mental health

01:03:41 Albert: well-developed

01:03:45 Amor Mia: so yun mga third world countries medio di pa maganda yun programa nila medio
hindi pa well-supported (clears her throat) so, kaya, ano, kaya okay makipagtrabaho sa foreigner, atsaka
yun kultura, yun kultura kasi nila trabaho trabaho Commented [b7]: The first world countries has well
developed mental health bill compared to third world
01:04:03 Kristian Alexei: Very objective countries that still needs to support. [In this sense] It is
better to work with foreigners, their culture and work focus.
01:04:04 Amor Mia: Oo, very objective. Sabihin nila ano mali mo, di ko gusto yan ganun lang pero
pakatapos nun, tapos na yun.

01:04:12 Albert: Hiwalay talaga

01:04:13 Amor Mia: Oo, Oo, ayun

01:04: 15 Albert: Yun personal sa problema

01:04:16 Amor Mia: Kahit ikaw puede mo sabihin, I don’t like that..gaganun ka, e tayo hindi tayo sanay
sa ganun. Yun parang sige kung ano gusto mo. Ganun tayo e (laughs) Ang kultura natin, Okay ano ba sa
iyo, laging ganun parang laging pakumbaba na hindi naman na yun yung gusto mo mangyari so e sila
diretso kaya okay sila kasama pero may may mga pinoy naman na very objective din yun, yun narealize
ko, pag nagwowork ka with other people whether multi-cultural or same mo ng culture its really about
attitude yun mga attitude ng kasama mo pano mo, how do they handle stress at work or objectives at
work, work mismo, yun assignments, mistakes, so yun attitude talaga e, hahanapin mo yun attitude kasi
yun attitude, it would take you anywhere tsaka magugustuhan ka ng mga tao because of your attitude
at work whether kahit saan lugar ka
01:05:32 Anna Patricia: Okay na?
01:05:33 Albert: Oo, Okay na…
01:05:33 Amor Mia: Okay na
01:05: 34 Albert: what do you think yun mga needs ng profession para makapag survive sya
01:05:41 Amor Mia: ah okay, I think a, one of the things important to have is magkaroon tayo ng more
specialization, magdiversify tayo kasi ngayon tatlo palang yun fields na fully recognized pero sa amerika
ang daming field tsaka ang dami nating, ang ano ko doon ang pangarap ko sa gobyerno they fund
psychologists or the study of psychologists and they put them into different states and different region
kasi ang nangyayari pag ikaw psychologist ka
01:06:24 Kristian Alexei: they will put your study in the library
Commented [b8]: [With the foreigners] you are free to
detest “I don’t like that…” but Filipino’s are not like that. In
our culture, we agree, we always ask to please others to
compromise but that is not what we actually mean to
happen. But the foreigners they say what they mean, that is
why I like being with them but there are Filipinos who are
also objective. I realized when you work with multi-cultural
or with people of your own culture. It’s really about
attitude, and the attitude of your colleagues, how you deal
with the stress, work goals, or the work itself. Your attitude
will bring you anywhere and people will like you because of
your attitude.
Commented [b9]: I think one of the important thing to
establish is the specialization, enable for [psychology] us to
become diverse. As of now, we are many [practitioners]
there are only three recognized [by the PAP] field of
specialization but in the USA there are a lot. I aspire that the
government fund psychologists or fund the study of the
psychologist and put them into different [Philippine
Republic Federal] states and different regions.
01:06:25 Amor Mia: Oo, pag ikaw nag aral ka sa manila tapos nalaman mo ay ang ganda sa manila tapos
mas okay yun kita dito kesa sa probinsya. Seventy percent of practitioners are here ‘no, anong
mangyayari sa bansa na to, kasi siempre malnourished yun iba, yung lugar so ngayon kung kaya ng
gobyerno na gawin yun seryoso siya sa mental health niya, parang ngayon may proyekto yun gobyerno
sa teachers-pag aaralin nila tapos pupunta sila sa baryo. Eh kung yun mga psychologists mag community
mental health sila sa tingin nyo ba yun may mga community mental health problems sobrang taas. Kung
dadayuhin nila kung pupunta ka doon makikipagwork ka sa municipality baka ano mas, mas accepted
nila pag maysakit yun anak nila saan sila lalapit kesa malala na, so isa yun. Pangalawa ikaw (clears
throat) kailangan mo na kung nagaaral ka sa maynila bumalik ka sa lugar mo doon ka magpractice kasi
doon kulang. Pangarapin mo kung gusto mo talaga, pero kung gusto mo talaga makatulong dun ka, dun
ka talaga kasi kulang dun e. Kung baga, dinadayo pa nga yun ibig sabihin kulang, dinadayo pa e so yun
yun Specialization Mental Health na parang government initiative kung kaya man nya. Tapos tingin ko
ano, a… intensive trainings…intensive trainings. Yun parang wag yun poochoo-poochoo na seminar, yun
parang
01:08:30 Anna Patricia: (laughs) tapos ang mahal…
01:08:31 Amor Mia: four hours na seminar tapos parang
01:08:35 Anna Patricia: may certificate naman daw ma’am
01:08:36 Amor Mia: Okay naman yun sa akin
01:08:37 Albert: Atsaka may CPD
01:08:40 Anna Patricia: Yun nga yun tanong ma’am e kapag may seminar ang unang tanong may CPD
points ba, yun yung concern hindi yun knowledge
01:08:48 Albert: Game of numbers
01:08:50 Amor Mia: Yun nga, ako parang I go for
01:08:54 Kristian Alexei: Tapos yun nagpapaseminar [speaker] di naman practitioner
01:08:56 Amor Mia: Yun nga, yun ang mahirap doon yun mga seminars dapat practitioners talaga. So if
we could have mga trainings na macertify ka yun ang mga gustong gusto ko hindi yun may certificate ka
lang kundi macecertify ka na practitioner ka nito. Halimbawa nagaral ka ng CBT pag labas mo dun sa CBT
certified CBT ka na CBT Therapist ka or level 1 ganun, kasi that, that gives you more competency so kung
therapy at counseling ang pinaguusapan natin, intensive talaga and more supervision kaso ngayon ang
nangyayari kahit sa graduate school e paramihan ng estudyante di ba, ang daming estudiante sa ganito,
ganito, ganito pero how deep is the mentorship, how deep is the supervision kung bago parang, kasi yun
totoo yun matutoto ka kapag also ginaguide ka ng older than you. Yun bang alam mo na may experience
na may pagtatanungan ka kapag ligaw ka na. Sa practicum kapag nagpracticum k aba, uupo ba talaga sila
sa iyo para sa case mo. Di ba? Kaya para sa longer, sa akin ah longer practicum hours into different fields
or areas of psychology. Kung clinical ka talaga, psych assessment, therapy, individual, group therapy
01:10:35 Kristian Alexei: Multiple areas
Commented [b10]: What happens when you are [a
professional] psychologist and you see that it’s better to
stay in Manila, with better earnings compared to the
province. What will happen to the country if 70% of the
practitioners are here [in Manila] because the other places
are underdeveloped. If the government is serious in doing,
like its project educate teachers for the town. [Outskirts]
What if instead, the psychologists would do community
mental health, travel, reach out, work with the
municipalities, so families may understand when sickness
hit their child[ren] and seek immediate help, and not wait
when its already chronic. [In this case,] Would you think
community mental health problems would rise. Next, when
you study you should go back to your home town to
practice because there is the lack of mental health
[practitioner] specialization exist, [comply like] as
government initiative. Then, intensive trainings not just a
seminar.
Commented [b11]: The trouble is, the [local] seminars
must be delivered by practitioners so we [professionals] will
be certified like when you attended CBT, by the end of it,
you will be certified as CBT therapist or [at least] level 1
[CBT therapist] that gives you competency in terms of
[psycho]therapy and counseling [with] really intensive
[training] and supervision but currently what happens even
in graduate school is that students proliferate in class [with
this exercise that take place the question of] how deep is
the mentorship or supervision for you to really learn when
you are being guided by someone mature than you,
[clinically] experienced that you can consult when you are at
a loss. In the practicum, are they really [supervising]
overseeing your case. I go with the longer practicum hours
into the different areas of the field of psychology. [as
necessary] In clinical [this means clinical internship in] psych
assessment, [psycho]therapy, individual, [or] group therapy,
community mental health, then (01:10:38) a specialization
in children in longer hours. In abroad you are required 5000
practicum hours (01:10:57) with close supervision and when
you are done, it will surely make you skilled and even earn
half-way of your practicum.
01:10:38 Amor Mia: Community mental health tapos specialization child Kung meron kang ano, kung
meron kang gusto longer hours. Alam mo sa abroad, they are required 5000, 5000 practicum hours, pag
labas mo

01:10:56 Kristian Alexei: Close supervision yun

01:10:57 Amor Mia: with close supervision yun ah, pag labas mo ang dami mong alam. Yun iba nga
kumikita na half way palang ng practicum nila. 5000 hours

(laughs)

01:11:16 Amor Mia: Di ba, di ba, tama? Ilan ba tayo

01:11:20 Kristian Alexei: Integrated yun e

01:11:24 Albert: Ngayon po 300 pa lang

01:11:26 Anna Patricia: Tapos yun bago po gagawing 500

01:11:30 Amor Mia: Okay nga sa akin yun kahit mag 1000 hours pa kayo

01:11:33 Albert: magwa 1000 po yun doctorate pero ngayon 500 palang

01:11:35 Amor Mia: Pero also, ano, ano

01:11:42 Kristian Alexei: Time is relative

01:11:44 Amor Mia: pero parang yun time mo, hindi yun dahil nakatenga ka lang. Talagang ano,
nagwowork ka as in you are immersed, immersed ka talaga para ma enjoy mo kasi sa totoo lang you
have to get better in the field e ang profession mo lalo na gusto mo psychotherapy you are going to deal
with people with deeper issues in life e kung, kung hindi mo, kung di ka magogrow, hindi ka lalalim, di ka
mag eearn ng skill. What are you going to do when you are faced with a client? Di ba, o you are not
doing them any service. Commented [b12]: This means your [practicum] hours is
not empty, you will really work, get immersed to enjoy to
01:12:24 Kristian Alexei: Disservice yun get better in the field of profession, especially when you
want to deal with people with deeper issues in life. If you
01:12:28 Amor Mia: kahit may lisensya ka pero, alam mo sa sarili mo hallow yun ano mo yun experience will not be able to grow, not able to gain deep [wisdom] you
mo will not earn the skill. What are you going to do when you
are faced with a client, for you to become of service.
01:12:34 Anna Patricia: lalo na ma’am yun ibang mga client, mga students yun mga issues nila about
depression kung minsan sila na yun mag state sa iyo ng symptoms nila

01:12:46 Amor Mia: Oo, lalo na ngayon, ano pinagkaiba mo sa mga, ano yun pinagkaiba ng knowledge
mo sa knowledge nila in terms of signs and symptoms kung ganun din lang

01:12:52 Kristian Alexei: Google diagnosis

01:12:54 Amor Mia: Kaya, kaya ano, ehem (clears throat) tsaka ano mga cliente ngayon sabi mo nga mas
wiser sila may ganito ba ako, may ganito ako cliente, may ganito ba ako I want to know what is
happening to me, what kind of a person I am. Yun talaga sabi ko, ah talaga? Pero di ko sila
dinediscourage na wag ka magbasa. Okay ang sinasabi ko lang let us keep the facts straight, ano ba yun
ano mo, kasi eventually they are also confused of what they are reading.. so your role as a professional,
ito yun truth, ito yun fact, bigyan mo sila ng direction. (Amor, accidentally knocks off the Cup, causing it
to down the table) Commented [b13]: (01:13:28) Even if you have a license
[to practice professional psychology] but you recognize that
01:13:34 Anna Patricia: Aaay… your experience is hollow.
(01:12:54) the clients now are wiser, and [curious] would
01:13:34 Albert: Yun ano ask do I have these, that, they want to know what is
happening to him, what kind of person he is. But I do not
01:13:37 Amor Mia: Ang tawag diyan ay passion discourage them to read, what I express is that for us to
keep the facts straight, because eventually they might get
(Anna and Amor laughs) confused of what they are reading, so that is your role as a
professional rule out the truth, the facts, give them
01:13:41 Amor Mia: sige, so…ano pa yun mga need? Tingin ko din, ano e direction

01:13:54 Hindi ok lang

01:13:59 Anna Patricia: Gusto mo bang water ma’am

01:14:06 Albert: Buti ma’am bakante oras niyo, nasa university pa din po kayo?

01:14:15 Amor Mia: Ah Oo yun part time work ko nasa university ako nagtuturo

01:14:19 Albert: Pero before, full-time kayo?

01:14:22 Amor Mia: Oo, kaya lang I have to give up to finish my masters sa, doon sa isang course

01:14:28 Albert: Hmm (affirms)

01:14:29 Amor Mia: Eyun,

01:14:30 Albert: Tatlong masteral niyo nay an?

01:14:32 Amor Mia: Pangalawa

01:14:37 Albert: Pangalawa (seconded, simultaneously) okay

01:14: 38 Amor Mia: Yun yung pangalawa, tapos na man na ako nun yun mga, tapos what else? Parang I
don’t know parang…siguro sa mental health baka parang feeling ko yun mga psychometricians mas
dapat madefine yun work nila yung basta di ko maintindihan ang is it just about design about testing
lang

01:15:08 Kristian Alexei: Dumadami yun psychometrician pero nasaan sila?

01:15:13 Amor Mia: Sak..sa..

01:15: 15 Albert: Wala silang lugar

01:15: 16 Kristian Alexei: wala silang ginagawa

01:15:20 Amor Mia: Oo, wala silang ginagawa may lugar naman siguro may ginagawa sila pero ginagawa
nila pero mas dapat madefine yun work

01:15:23 Albert: Specific

01:15:24 Amor Mia: Oo, So parang tinging ko

01: 15:30 Kristian Alexei: parang dapat it should not be limited to testing, dapat i-expand pati sa
research kasama kasi metrics nga e

01:15:38 Amor Mia: tsaka yun tingin ko dapat yun mental health na yan mag delve into more research
so para maresearch yun areas ng mental health sa Pilipinas na untouched, mga symptoms mga signs,
mga different disorders yun prevalence Commented [b14]: Mental Health in the Philippines
should delve into more research on the [contextual,
01:15:57 Albert: Napaka western kasi culturally determined] symptoms, signs, and prevalence of
disorders
01:15:58 Amor Mia: Normally, kasi una yun pangalawa mostly ng diagnosis natin nagmumula sa
psychiatrist so with the mental health bill, alam naman natin ang psychiatrists ang onti onti nila, so
parang ngayon, less than 500 lang yun psychiatrists sa Pilipinas. I don’t know kung tama yun figure ko,
pero ganun ko na siya naiintindihan so ano mangyayari sa lugar na walang psychiatrists Commented [b15]: Typically, diagnosis comes from the
psychiatrists but psychiatrists are limited more or less 500
01:16:27 Kristian Alexei: at hindi sila lahat marunong mag psychotherapy across the Philippines. I don’t know the figures but that is
how I understand it. [These are the things to consider with
01:16:31 Amor Mia: at kung idedeploy mo yun psychologists bibigyan mo siya ng skills ng strength na the coming of a mental health bill]
makakadiagnose siya, mas makakatulong siya di ba? So yun

01:16:42 Anna Patricia: pero ma’am di ba, may mga psychologist na kaya mag diagnose pero yun parang
certified o yun iacknowledge lang yun galing sa psychiatrist

01:16:55 Amor Mia: Dito lang yun sa Pilipinas

01:16:56 Anna Patricia: Di ba angulo? (with slight tone of disappointment)

01:16:58 Amor Mia: pero, pero, I don’t have problems with my clients na nada diagnose ko, kasi, tingin
ko di naman.. di naman mali diagnosis ko you are following DSM, you are doing your clinical interview
right, parang ganun mostly,

01:17:15 Anna Patricia: Excuse me

01:17:15 Amor Mia: sorry (curtly) atsaka ang diagnosis fluid e, puedeng magbago siya along the month
progressive o tinatawag nating provisional di ba, so yun, yun ano ko dun. Atsaka yun grabe ang daming
Rpm na pumapasa sa every year

01:17:35 (Albert and Anna laughs)

01:17:37 Amor Mia: ha.. ano, ano? (wondering)

01:17:39 Albert: Sorry po Rpm po kami (still laughing)

01:17:42 Amor Mia: kaya nga ang daming pumapasa so ano what can you do o kayo mismo tanungin
niyo sarili niyo, what can you offer the country

01:17:49 Albert: Ako gusto ko test construction

01:17:52 Amor Mia: o Gawin niyo, gawin niyo, In fact its needed kasi ang daming standardized tests
puro foreign

01:17:58 Kristian Alexei: Westernized

01:18:00 Albert: Culture-Fair lang

01:18:01 Kristian Alexei: Dapat they should not be limited to testing administration per se rather pati
research

01:18:06 Amor Mia: Oo, Inaral niyo naman nyo naman yun nung undergrad kayo pinagawa kayo ng tests
di gawin nyo Oo

01:18:14 Albert: Pera nga lang?

01:18:16 Amor Mia: pero afterwards you will reap the rewards. Oo kasi you can use your test, puede mo
siya ibenta, puede mo ipagamit sa iba sa iyo na yun copyright mo nalang. Gagastos ka nga lang

01:18:32 Albert: Tips ma’am sa mga aspiring clinical psychologists

01:18:36 Anna Patricia: (seconded, cheerfully) future…

01:18:38 Amor Mia: Ano ba, marami naman, marami, in a sense na una gusto ko muna siguradohin nyo
muna kung ano gusto niyo, so ano gusto niyo gawin tapos from there build up their career find mentors
you can help them. Magsipag silang magbasa, ano yun field na gusto nila basahin nila, magbasa sila yun
talaga yun kailangan. Tapos parang ahm, importanteng importante you work in a team, work in a group
kasi you learn a lot in different people kung ikaw lang mag isa halimbawa nagsosolo practice ka wala ka
kabatuhan ng idea wala kang tatanungin kung ano ba ito so importante siya ano. Tapos parang usong
uso na kasi ngayon ang pag aaral diba, magaral ka ng masters, phd, kung may double phd nga siguro
magaaral yun ibang tao (laughs) Commented [b16]: Tips for aspiring future clinical
psychologists?
01:19:43 Albert: may post graduate, may post doctorate pa
Assure what you want to do, from there build up your
01:19:46 Amor Mia: Oo, post doctorate pa, post-doc career, find mentors who can help you. Read the field of
your interest, reading is the key, and the utmost important
01:19:47 Albert: September, ioffer na po sa UP is to work in a team, a group where you will learn a lot.
When you work alone, and has nobody to share your ideas,
01:19:50 Amor Mia: ano yun post-doctorate nila you have nobody to consult about its relevance. Nowadays,
studying is a already a trend, so study masters, doctorate, if
01:19:51 Albert: I am not sure ma’am pero I heard first time na ma open there is post doctorate perhaps others would still pursue.

01:19:54 Amor Mia: Oo, tsaka gusto ko sana ma offer PsyD Doctor of Psychology

01:19:58 Albert: Yes

01:20:01 Kristian Alexei: LaSalle meron

01:20:03 Amor Mia: Talaga meron yun LaSalle

01:20:04 Albert: Meron na ba, alam ko kasi pinaka malapit Singapore

01:20:14 Kristian Alexei: Meron kaso iba pa din yun definition sa PhD

01:20:16 Amor Mia: Atska with the mental health bill sa tingin ko baka better na yun mga mental health
practices natin mas maoutlet siguro lalo na sa mga ospital pati sa mga clinics. Hopefully, kasi bill na siya
puede ka na ngayon maghabla kung di ka sumusunod sa batas o ito puede ka nang… it will more
professionalize people who are working so mas nakakatulong yun, mas maingat ka dapat ngayon mag
practice kasi you know, una you are dealing with people, pangalawa yun liability, so mas mataas yun
accountability mo, so ayun. Ako yun gusto ko, ang ano ko, a,, you cannot have, masuerte ka kung yun
pathway mo towards what you really want to do in psychology, pero kung hindi man diretso pathway
mo like for example nandito ka tapos napunta ka dito keep on doing what you need to do in order to
arrive to a certain position na gusto mo. Ano na, developing naman ang psychology and ikaw din habang
nagdedevelop ka yun psychology nagdedevelop habang naryan ka so parang ano lang just keep on
pushing yourself atsaka yun importante dito sana di lumaki yun ego ng tao kasi very professional ang
psychology pansinin mo di ka puede matawag na psychologist kung wala kang lisensya wala kang
masters ang taas ng credential aah…Oo sometimes people get into that, yun ang dami mong dulo sa
pangalan, yun ang dami mong kuwit, kuwit
01:22:17 Kristian Alexei: Kulang nalang RIP
01:22:20 Amor Mia: Oo, (laughs) parang don’t hide or don’t use those titles parang you get those titles
because you wanted to become a better practitioner and never forget the first reason why you practice
and that is helping people so parang tangalin mo yun ego mo sa psychology kasi you are not gonna help
people your co workers kapag may ego ka
01:22:54 Kristian Alexei: Do you think yun academic courses is..amhm, is very really relevant
01:23:02 Amor Mia: (laugh’s) ang hirap sumagot. Baka tamaan yun mga schools
01:23:08 Anna Patricia: laughs
01:23:11 Amor Mia: Ang hirap sumagot (laughs)
01:23:13 Kristian Alexei: It’s a free country, you are entitled to your own opinion
01:23:14 Amor Mia: Ako, I think we can have other subjects which can specialize more kung baga
parang enough with subjects you are just repeating
01:23:32 Kristian Alexei: Can you be more specific
01:23:33 Amor Mia: (laughs) even if, even if it’s required by the board kung baga parang ano, sa amerika
pansinin mo yun curriculum nila kapag sinabing advanced you are going to deal with a lot of clinical
cases. Talagang Advanced siya, pag sinabi nilang higher forms ng basi, basic
01:24:06 Kristian Alexei: pati analysis
01:24:09 Amor Mia: Iba kasi ang ano e, parang we can push more people more ng depth ng mga
courses, atsaka parang practice and mentorships sa schools ha. Tapos, sa tingin ko dapat malaking
percentage yun. Mag gugol ang universities to mentor students beginning in the practice para ano,
eventually when they become better pag pinalagwa mo yan alam mo yun skill niya di ba, kesa yun
parang o sige we are all pretending we are studying we know this already tapos na yun isang sem. Yeah
right, alam na natin, so ganun siya tingin ko basta mentorship is important so yun
01:25:10 Albert: Tapos na ba tayo
01:25:12 Anna Patricia: I agree
01:25:16 Kristian Alexei: sa tingin niyo po what inhibits aahm, the process or the progress sa mga
ganitong?
Commented [b17]: With a mental health bill, better
mental health practices will be offered in hospitals and
clinics. Hopefully, with the bill you can legally sue someone
in violation of the law. It will more professionalize the
practice so it will help bring extra care in practice when
dealing with people, then liability, and accountability
increases.
It is natural for you to go to various directions, not able to
find a direct path. But just do what you need to do in order
to arrive to a certain position that you like. Psychology is
developing just like yourself who grows while you are there,
so just keep on pushing yourself, the important thing is not
to inflate your ego because psychology is a very professional
discipline, come to think, you can only be called a
psychologist when you have a license, master’s degree, high
credentials. Truly, people at times get into that, and there
will be several commas, [title] and extensions under your
name.
(01:22:20) Do not use the title as a shield, you don’t have
those titles to prove your greatness rather you get those
titles to become a better practitioner. Never forget, the
primary reason why you practice, that is to help people so
you need to set aside your ego. In the practice of
psychology you won’t effectively help your client, your
colleagues with your ego.
Commented [b18]: Advanced courses even if required by
the board should mean dealing with a lot of clinical cases,
higher forms look at the curriculum in USA.
(01:24:09) So we can push more people with the depth of
the courses being offered, with practice, and mentorship
which ought to have greater percentage. Universities should
aim to mentor students beginning into the practice,
eventually they will become better, so they gain reliable
skills, than merely pretending we are studying and we know
things already by the end of the semester. Yeah right, so in
my view, that’s how important mentorship is.
(01:25:49) The process of growth is hindered because we
are still in the traditional approach, the transition may be
impeded by the fact that licensed psychologists will be
required to practice when the specialization areas come, the
academicians will be forced to practice because they can’t
stand in front of the students if they are not practicing.
01:25:24 Amor Mia: Parang tinging ko kasi baka nasa ano pa tayo, baka nasa traditional style pa rin tayo

01:25:35 Kristian Alexei: so we need transition, medio drastic mashoshock yun mga ayaw mag bago

01:25:49 Amor Mia: Atsaka mapupwersa silang mag practice e kasi pag magspecialization, halimabawa
mga courses na inooffer nila sa universities specialization siya, mapipilitan yun mga di nagprapractice
mag practice kasi they can’t stand in front of students if they are not practicing

01:26:11 Albert: Yes

01:26:14 Anna Patricia: Teaching without experience

01:26:18 Amor Mia: Oo, pero sa teaching din naman di lang experience mo lang ang basis. Pero it helps
e, if you are, may practice ka talaga so yun yun. Okay na?

01:26:33 Albert: Okay na po (laughing)

01:26:36 Anna Patricia: Mas busog,

01:26:37 Albert: Nabusog kami sa kwento niyo

01:26:38 Anna Patricia: maghanap na ko ng mentor

01:26:40 Amor Mia: Oo hanap ka

01:26:45 Anna Patricia: ma’am (kiddingly) free ka pa ba sa term mo

01:26:48 Amor Mia: so parang ganun, I hope I helped…

01:26:53 Albert: Yes, greatly

The interview concluded, with smiles from inspired interviewers

A Token of appreciation for the Clinical Psychologists time was given, each individual shook the
psychologist’s hands and bid good bye.

The Clinical Psychologist left ahead of the group

The group convened for a few minutes to discuss some practical matters about the interview and
established a consensus of the next plan to initiate

The meeting adjourned around 9:45 in the evening