Clements Interview Transcript - PCSD Maricopa County Jail 8-15-17 (00626285-3xCDD05)

1 LEGEND: Q. DET. FLORES A.
CHRISTOPHER CLEMENTS
2 Q2. DET. HOGAN
3 Q3. DET. MARTIN
4 Q4. SGT. HANSEN
5 Q3. Q4. Have a seat over there. Just have a seat, sir. Do you want a drink or anything?
6 You need a bottle of water or anything, man?
7 A. Sure.
8 Q3. Okay. And I’ll put those in the front then. Stand up for me. Face that wall that way.
9 A. __________.
10 Q3. Okay. So __ to that? You got it, man. Here, let’s see.
11 A. _____.
12 Q3. Q4. You want a water or soda or anything?

13 A. A soda would be good.
14 Q3. Q4. What kind?

15 A. A Coke.
16 Q3. Q4. Coke? There __ so it won’t tighten up on you too. Yeah, it looks like they did.
17 Okay, be back in a flash, man. Here you go.
18 A. Thank you.
19 Q. Mr. Clements, sorry about that. I was waiting for my partner here. I’m Detective Flores.
20 I’m with the Pima County Sheriff’s Department not Phoenix PD. This is Detective Chris
21 Hogan.
22 Q2. How you doin’, man?
23 Q. Um, what I’m gonna do is I, I know you already said a few things. And we’re gonna talk
24 about that. That’s not even a problem. Um, I’m just gonna read you your rights real
25 quick. And then we’ll go from there, all right? Um, let me see your __. We’ve never met
26 in person. So, Christopher Clements? Okay. Okay, uh, Mr. Clements, you have the right
27 to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
28 You have the pright, the right to the presence of an attorney to assist you prior to
29 questioning and to be with you during questioning, if you so desire. If you cannot afford
30 an attorney, you have the right to have an attorney appointed to you prior to questioning.
31 Um, do you understand those rights?
32 A. Yes.
33 Q. Okay. And I know you had already made a couple statements about, uh, not wanting to
34 come here and all that. So, uh, what we’d like to do is talk to you about a case, but like I
35 said, I understand what you said. So are you, are you, is that, is that still your position
36 that you basically don’t want to talk at this point?
37 A. You can tell me what’s going on.
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STATEMENT OF CHRISTOPHER CLEMENTS – CASE #140606143 2
1 Q. Sure. Okay. Well, I want to talk to you about a, uh, homicide investigation down in
2 Tucson. It has nothing to do with anything you’ve been talked to about previously. Um,
3 but before I, I’m not here to give you information though. Okay? I’m here to basically see
4 if you’re willing to make a statement on that. Um, would you be willing to talk to us
5 about that?
6 A. A homicide?
7 Q. Yeah.
8 A. Are you sure you’ve got the right person?
9 Q. Yeah, your date of birth is , right?

10 A. Yeah.
11 Q. Yeah, Christopher Matthew Clements.

12 A. Shoot. You can ask questions. I mean.
13 Q. At this point, are you gonna be answering questions though or, or are you just gonna
14 decide as we go along?
15 A. I don’t know un-, un-, until I hear the questions. I don’t know what you.
16 Q2. That’s fair enough.

17 A. ___.
18 Q2. If you want to answer ‘em, you can answer ‘em. If you don’t, you don’t.
19 Q. Well, you, you ever, do you know who this girl is? You ever seen her before?
20 A. No. Well, I don’t know. Why?
21 Q. Well, that’s what I want to talk to you about, this girl right here. Well, I’m here talking to
22 you about a homicide and I want to talk to you about this girl.
23 A. Okay. Is this the person that was killed?
24 Q. Yes. Yes.
25 A. Okay.
26 Q. Have you ever seen her before?

27 A. Have I seen her before?
28 Q. Yeah.
29 A. I, I can’t answer that question. I mean maybe I have. Maybe I haven’t. I don’t know.
30 Q. Okay. And be-, before I even continue, you, you don’t have to, I, I explained you your
31 rights, okay? And are you willing to answer questions if I ask you questions like that?
32 A. I’m willing to answer questions, but you’re asking me, you’re showing me a picture of
33 somebody. You don’t tell me who this person is. You just say it was a homicide.
34 Q. Mm hm (yes).
35 Q2. We’re just trying to be honest with you, man. This, this, this is the girl that was murdered.
36 We’re just seeing if you know who she is.
1 A. Okay.
2 Q2. Yeah. But you said you don’t rec-, I mean you don’t recognize the picture?
3 A. I, I, I mean it doesn’t ring a bell.
4 Q2. Okay.
5 A. But.
6 Q2. That’s, that’s fair enough.

7 A. At the same time, I mean maybe I have, maybe I haven’t. I don’t know.
8 Q2. Okay.
9 Q. You ev-, you ever hear the name Maribel Gonzales?
10 A. I don’t know.
11 Q. Okay. How long have you lived in Tucson?

12 A. Awhile.
13 Q. For awhile? Like, uh, years? Months?

14 A. I don’t know if I want to be answering these questions. I, I mean.
15 Q2. And it’s totally up to you, man.

16 A. I want to know what’s going on.
17 Q. Uh, it’s, it’s.

18 A. Am I being investigated for this murder? Or do you think I know something that had to
19 do with this?
20 Q. Uh, right now we haven’t determined. We want to know if you had, know anything about
21 this murder. We want to know if you know this girl. We want to know if you had
22 anything to do with this murder.
23 A. Okay. Well, I can tell you definitely I didn’t have anything to do with any homicide.
24 Q. Okay.
25 A. That’s, that’s.
26 Q2. That’s fair enough. Like I said, all we’re asking for is the truth. And we’re trying to be
27 honest with you.
28 Q. And, and just, just, I’m sorry, going back to my question, have you ever heard of the
29 name Maribel Gonzales? Or if you, if you don’t know, you don’t know. It’s fine.
30 A. I mean, honestly, uh, uh, that, that name does kind of ring a bell, but I, I, I don’t know.
31 Q. Okay. Um, this girl right here. Do you, uh, do you know, if you do know __, do you
32 know how old, how old she is? How old do you think she looks?
33 A. I don’t know. I guess that’d be anybody’s guess. Maybe sixteen.
34 Q. Okay.
1 Q2. Do you, do you know where it rings a bell from? Like, from family or work or? I, I mean
2 I don’t know, I don’t know if you work down there.
3 A. I have no idea. I mean, I’ve, I’ve heard a name that, that sounds like that but.
4 Q2. Sure.
5 A. I, I mean as far as me being like yeah, oh, oh I’ve, you know, had dinner with ‘em or
6 something like that.
7 Q2. Sure.
8 A. Or hung out with ‘em regularly.
9 Q2. Mm hm (yes).
10 A. I mean, what, what is this all, uh, what, what does this have to do with?
11 Q2. It has to do with this girl that, that was murdered. That’s all.
12 A. Right. And I, I get that. But I mean what.
13 Q2. If you knew her. If you ever.

14 A. Did somebody say my name?
15 Q2. No, your name did, was not said by anybody, no.
16 A. Did my name come up?
17 Q2. A bunch of people’s names came up, so that’s why we’re talking to people. I don’t know
18 if you know or not, but when a homicide happens, you know, people, everybody’s name
19 comes up – this person lives here.
20 A. Right. That’s why I’m asking how my name got into the mix.
21 Q2. Just from other people.

22 A. From other people? Okay.
23 Q2. Is your, your last name’s Clements though. Is it, do you have Gonzales’ that are relatives?
24 A. I’m not Mexican.
25 Q2. Okay. Just asking. I mean, maybe by in-laws or something like that, you know?
26 Marriage?
27 A. I can’t say that there is or isn’t because.
28 Q2. Okay.
29 A. I mean, I’ve been in contact with my family very little.
30 Q2. Okay.
31 A. Over the last few years.
32 Q2. Okay. Like I said, I, I don’t know anything about you or your family, so that’s why I
33 asked. You know? When you, when you lived in Tucson, uh, what area of town did you
34 live in?
35 A. Oh fuck. The east side. I lived in, uh, on Street.
1 Q2. Okay. Did, uh, did you work in that same area too? Did you work across town or?
2 A. What does this have to do with?
3 Q2. Well ‘cause we’re, this, this girl was murdered in a certain location. We’re trying to
4 figure out where everybody lived in relation. Not just you, a bunch of people, where they
5 lived in relation to where this girl was murdered.
6 A. So.
7 Q2. Do you, do you __.

8 A. The gist of this I’m, I’m, I’m getting. This girl was murdered probably somewhere close
9 by. And since I was a regi-, registered sex offender, you guys are now asking people that
10 live close by?
11 Q2. Some part of that is true, yeah.

12 A. Okay.
13 Q2. Yeah.
14 A. Well, I mean, this isn’t the first time this has happened.
15 Q2. If you don’t recognize her, you don’t recognize her. Yeah.
16 A. But I, I, no, I, I don’t recognize her.
17 Q2. Okay, cool. Did you ever live up in the Avra Valley area?
18 A. The what?
19 Q2. Avra Valley?

20 Q. Like Marana, west Marana area.
21 A. No.
22 Q2. At like I-10 and you know where the high school is up in Marana, on the road, if you’re
23 headed up here to Phoenix on the west side of I-10?
24 A. I don’t know where the high school is, but I do know where I-10 is.
25 Q2. Yeah.
26 A. And where Marana is.
27 Q2. Yeah. But you never lived up that way or anything like that?
28 A. Can’t say I did.
29 Q2. Okay.
30 A. I mean, have I been up there? Absolutely.
31 Q2. Mm hm (yes). You have friends up there or?

32 A. Yeah.
33 Q2. Okay. Okay. You think that maybe this was someone, like a friend of somebody that
34 lived up there or something like that? The name ri-, Gonzales? Are there Gonzales’ that
35 live up there that are friends?
1 A. I, I, I mean I don’t want to sound racist. I don’t hang out with Mexicans.
2 Q2. Okay. Okay. Fair enough.

3 A. Most of my friends were white.
4 Q2. Mm hm (yes).
5 A. Russian.
6 Q2. Who, who do you know up in the Avra Valley area? Maybe I know the family name. I’ve
7 been up there, worked out there so.
8 A. I’m not gonna give that information.
9 Q2. Okay. That’s fine.

10 Q. Well you, you kind of said that she’s a sixteen year old female. Um.
11 A. No, I didn’t say that.
12 Q. Okay.
13 A. You asked me.
14 Q. Yeah, I did.
15 A. What does she look like?
16 Q. I, I asked your opinion. Yeah, you’re right.

17 A. What age does she look like. And I said that I believe she looks around sixteen.
18 Q. And that’s fair.

19 A. I didn’t say that she was a sixteen year old female.
20 Q. No, I’m not saying she’s sixteen either. Um, is this, does this look like somebody you
21 would ever party with or anything like that?
22 A. Quite possibly, yeah. I mean, but not a sixteen year old that I would know. I mean, if I
23 knew every sixteen year old I’d, I mean, I, I can’t answer that. You’re asking me a very
24 vague question. Would I party with somebody like that?
25 Q. Yeah. I mean, if you, I mean if it was somebody you’d actually met before, I’m pretty,
26 you’d, you’d recognize her, right?
27 A. Quite possibly, yeah. If you brought the person here and they said hey, remember me
28 from such and such and such and such, I’d say yeah.
29 Q. Mm hm (yes).
30 A. Yes or no.
31 Q. Did you ever, um, the area you’re at, uh, what’s the name of that street again?
32 A. .
33 Q. ? Did you work near there? I know, I know Detective Hogan already asked you that.
34 A. Did I work near there?
1 Q. Or were you working, um, the last few years?

2 A. Yeah.
3 Q. Where, where were you working at?

4 A. I did various things. I fix cars. I sell ‘em.
5 Q. Oh, okay. Okay. Um, do you, tell me if you can remember her, your, I mean, she, she’s
6 obviously pretty young. Do you have any, a group of people that you know that are that,
7 about that young that you would associate with?
8 A. I, I can’t answer that.
9 Q. Okay. Do you know, um, as far as her face, where do you think you’ve seen her before, if
10 you have? If you haven’t, you haven’t. Or if you don’t remember.
11 A. I’m not gonna make assumptions.
12 Q. You don’t have to.

13 A. Or insinuations if I don’t know something…
14 Q. Okay.
15 A. …clear and correct. ‘Cause what you just did with the age thing.
16 Q. Mm hm (yes).
17 A. That kind of worries me. ‘Cause you say well, you just said she’s, no I didn’t say that she,
18 I didn’t make that statement.
19 Q. And I understand.
20 A. I answered a question.
21 Q. I understand.
22 Q2. But do you think the name Maribel Gonzales is more familiar than this picture to you?
23 A. Vaguely, yeah. The, it vaguely rings a bell.
24 Q. Okay.
25 A. But the last name doesn’t.
26 Q. Just the first name Maribel?

27 A. Yeah. But I’ve, I mean, I could’ve heard that anywhere.
28 Q. Sure. Yeah. But you can’t remember if it was like a friend of a, I don’t know if you had a
29 girlfriend at the time, friend of a friend or something like that?
30 A. (No audible response.)
31 Q. No? Okay. Do you know the, the, uh, just the name Maribel or do you remember if it was
32 a different last name?
34 Q. All right. You said Maribel sounds familiar. Do you think it’s somebody with a different
35 last name than Gonzales?
1 A. It could’ve been.
2 Q. Okay. But you don’t remember what the last name would be?
3 A. Just the first name sounds vaguely familiar.
4 Q. Sure.
5 A. But the last name doesn’t.
6 Q. Okay.
7 A. It could’ve been that last name. I don’t know.
8 Q. Okay.
9 A. I don’t.
10 Q. But did you ever have like a close girlfriend named Maribel?
11 A. Did I have a close…
12 Q. Yeah.
13 A. …girlfriend named Maribel?
14 Q. Yeah. Did you have a girlfriend named Maribel. Like ‘cause we could rule it out if, if it,
15 where it’s you’re thinking of it in your mind. Did you have a girlfriend named Maribel?
16 A. I, I’ve been with a lot of women.
17 Q. Okay.
18 A. I mean, off the top of my head, I don’t know. I mean, but these are, these are odd
19 questions. And I don’t…
20 Q. Okay.
21 A. …know why you’re asking ‘em.
22 Q. ‘Cause you’re saying you recognize the name Maribel. I’m trying to figure out where you
23 recognize the name from.
24 A. If I recognized it from something in particular, I would’ve pointed that out.
25 Q. Okay. So not from being like a close friend, a girlfriend, your buddy’s girlfriend or
26 anything like that?
27 A. It could’ve been any number of things.
28 Q. Okay. Okay. And you said you didn’t want to tell me any names of your friends in Avra
29 Valley. But it’s not from Avra Valley that you remember the name Maribel, or Marana?
30 A. I, I just, I don’t know.
31 Q. Okay.
32 A. If you guys are more precise, more specific, then I would be able to answer these
33 questions with a hell of…
34 Q. Sure.
1 A. …a lot more clarity.
2 Q. Let me ask you this. When’s the last time you were in Marana?
3 A. I don’t know.
4 Q. You don’t know? Like, relative today. Today is.

5 A. I’ve been in Maricopa County Jail for the last what going on five months now.
6 Q. Okay.
7 A. So I mean, and then before that I don’t know.
8 Q. Okay. Do you remember what you were doing the last you were up there in Marana?
9 A. I, no.
10 Q. Okay. Don’t remember if it was at a friend’s house, for work or anything like that?
11 A. I could’ve been driving on the freeway.
12 Q. Okay.
13 A. I, I have no idea. I mean you have to go through Marana to get to Phoenix.
14 Q. True. But I’m talking about off the freeway. Off, like, it’s the left side of the freeway if
15 you’re coming to Phoenix. Do you remember the last time you would’ve been out in that
16 area? There’s like a McDonald’s. Then you go out and there’s kind of like a, I guess it’d
17 be.
18 A. I could help you guys a hell of a lot more if you’d just stop making insinuations.
19 Q. I’m not insinuating anything. I’m asking you directly when the last…
20 A. Well I think that.
21 Q. …time you were in Marana was.

22 A. Oh, these roundabout questions I can’t answer. I, I just.
23 Q. Well, and like I said, I’m, I’m trying to be clear. I ap-, I apologize. And here, here’s our
24 thing.
25 A. Asking if I remember this name where would it have been.
26 Q. Right.
27 A. And if it had been in Marana who would.
28 Q. Yeah.
29 A. I mean I, that, those are very vague questions.
30 Q. Right. And you understand here, here’s what we’re doing. We’re investigating the
31 homicide.
32 A. If you told me hey, you know what, uh, your name came up. Somebody said your name.
33 Or your name came up in a database or, I mean then I’d be able to say precisely.
34 Q. Right. And, and here’s, here’s the thing though. I, I, like I said, we’re not here to ___.
1 A. I know that person. I do not know that person.
2 Q. We’re not here to give you information. But understand we’re, we’re investigating a
3 homicide. All we want to know is if you recognize it, if, if you recognize this person, if
4 you recognize the name, if, if it’s something we need to investigate further. Um.
5 A. Am, am I being charged with a crime?
6 Q. You’re not being charged with anything. No.

7 A. Okay. Am I looked at as a suspect or maybe a witness?
8 Q. Right now, we’re looking to see if you have any knowledge of this person at all.
9 A. I, not that I recollect, no.
10 Q. Okay. Do you, do you watch the news?

11 A. Yeah, sometimes.
12 Q. Okay. Um, as far as this, is this somebody you’d have possibly seen on the news?
14 Q. I mean Tucson is a small town. If it’s a homicide of a young girl, you’re gonna, more
15 than likely it’s gonna be on the news, right?
16 A. Okay. All right. So, okay, I think I do remember now.
17 Q. Okay.
18 A. I, I, I think I, uh, this is one of the girls that was on the news?
19 Q. Y-, yeah. And like I said, Tu-, this is not a secret. Tucson’s a small town.
20 A. Right.
21 Q. So I, I mean it’s a young girl. She’s gonna be on the news so.

22 A. But this was when I was, when I was home, right?
23 Q. Yeah.
24 A. When I was out?
25 Q. Yeah.
26 A. I wasn’t in Maricopa County at that time?
27 Q. No. No.
28 A. All right. Okay.
29 Q. Is, is that, I mean is that, is the news thing kind of make it sound familiar or?
30 A. Yeah, it definitely now that you say that.
31 Q. Okay. Now knowing that, is that, would that j-, jog any memories as what, I mean, if you
32 see somebody on the news that you know.
33 A. No, if it was somebody I knew, I would’ve said oh shit, I know that person.
1 Q. Yeah. But on the news, if you saw her on the news, you’d say I, I know that person?
2 A. Yeah.
3 Q. Okay. Um, what do you remember from the news?

4 A. I, I don’t remember much at all.
5 Q. Right. And I, I’m not, I wouldn’t expect. I mean I.

6 A. I mean there’s, there was, I remember a few stories that kind of stood out. And I believe
7 there was one story about a guy that was, that was shot in front of his house. And I mean,
8 I, I, I pay attention to local things that go on. But.
9 Q. Yeah.
10 A. I mean if it hits home, like, it’s in my part of the neighborhood, things like that then.
11 Q. And, and just, like I said, I know you said we’ve been being vague. Just ‘cause we’re
12 here, you’re sitting there, I mean, uh, this, we’re asking you about this girl. We told you
13 she was murdered. Did you have anything to do with that? With her death? With her
14 murder?
15 A. Fuck no.
16 Q. Okay. And that, that’s what we’re here for. I mean that’s ___________.
17 A. I mean I wasn’t, I’m, I’m not involved with anybody’s murder.
18 Q. Okay.
19 A. So I mean that’s one thing I can say with absolute clarity. I’m not involved with
20 anybody’s fuckin’ murder.
21 Q. If I were to tell you that, uh, that she might’ve been sexually assaulted, is that something
22 that, uh, would you have any involvement in that at all?
23 A. Any involvement in a sexual assault?
24 Q. Yeah.
25 A. No.
26 Q. By one person, two people, whatever. But like basically, you would be no reason for us to
27 investigate you for a sexual assault of this girl as well?
28 A. On a sexual assault?
29 Q. Yeah.
30 A. Why would, you’re starting to worry me because I mean, is there something that
31 somebody said that I did?
32 Q. No one said you did anything. You, you kind of, you kind of spelled it out when we
33 walked in here. You, you live, I’m gonna, I’m gonna be honest with you. You live kind
34 of in the area she does and you’re, you’re a registered sex offender, okay? We’re gonna
35 want to talk to you. I mean that’s, it’s very simple. Um, and that’s why I’m asking you.
36 I’m asking you do you, did you have anything to do with her homicide? ‘Cause we told
1 you we’re here for a homicide. You said no. I’m asking you did you have anything to do
2 with her being sexually assaulted.
3 A. Being sexually assaulted? No. Have I had sex with women? Yes. But.
4 Q. What about this one?

5 A. No. What, what is, okay, get, get to what you’re getting at.
6 Q. I, I’m, I’m making it pretty clear.

7 A. I mean.
8 Q. This girl was sexually assaulted and murdered. I want to know.

9 A. Okay, somebody’s saying I sexually assaulted her?
10 Q. No one said, no one said that.

11 A. Was my DNA found?
12 Q. N-, we, we haven’t, we haven’t have your DNA on her, no.

13 A. So what.
14 Q. I don’t know. Like I said, is that something we should look at?

15 A. Go ahead.
16 Q. Okay.
17 A. I, I ain’t got nothing to do with it.
18 Q. Okay. So your, your DNA would not be there, is that what you’re saying?
19 A. Fuck, I, I mean, not that I would know of.
20 Q. I mean if you had sex with somebody, you’d know about, right?
21 A. Honestly, I mean, I, I don’t know if you’ve lived the life I have. If you’ve had sex with
22 women like, I mean, yeah, there’s, there’s a couple I don’t remember the names. I don’t
23 remember the faces. I could’ve been drunk. I mean, so I’m not gonna answer that and say
24 with absolute clarity absolutely not. But if, if a girl tells me that she’s sixteen years old,
25 no I’m not gonna have sex with her.
26 Q. What if she’s thirteen years old?

27 A. I definitely wouldn’t have sex with her.
28 Q. Okay. So just so I understand what your, your position is, you did not sexually assault
29 this girl. You didn’t murder this girl. You didn’t have sex with this girl. And co-, correct,
30 if I got any of those wrong, correct me.
31 A. You’re gonna have to tell me a hell of a lot more if you want me to answer any more
32 questions, because I kind of feel like I’m being looked at as a suspect.
33 Q. Yeah, well, I.
34 A. I haven’t killed anybody.
35 Q. Okay.
1 A. I haven’t raped anybody. I haven’t done any of the above. But the kind of questions that
2 you’re asking me, I’m not stupid either.
3 Q. Mm hm (yes). And, and like I said, I wouldn’t ex-, I’m not saying you are. Mr., Mr.
4 Clements, all I’m saying is it’s pretty simple, okay? Uh, I mean, I know you think we’re
5 being vague. We’re not. We don’t know. We’re investigating this girl’s rape and murder.
6 That’s what we’re doing. So we’re asking you questions related to rape and murder of
7 this girl.
8 Q2. Same questions we’re asking of a lot of different people, not just you.
9 A. I didn’t rape or murder anybody.
10 Q. Just so I understand, as far as you said you, you had sexual.

11 A. I’m not gonna continue down that road.
12 Q. Okay.
13 A. I haven’t raped and/or murdered anybody.
14 Q. All right.
15 Q2. Do you, do you know where this girl was found?
16 A. How would I know where she was found?
17 Q2. I’m asking if you have any information about where this girl’s body was found.
18 A. How would I know?
19 Q2. I don’t know. I don’t know you. I don’t know of who…

20 A. But you…
21 Q2. …you talk to…

22 A. …wouldn’t ask that question…
23 Q2. …who you heard it from.

24 A. …unless it, once again, unless if you had a reason to.
25 Q2. Sure I would.

26 A. I know how cops think.
27 Q2. I’ve asked that question of a bunch of different people. Where, do you know where.
28 A. And you had to have had a reason to ask that question.
29 Q2. Yeah.
30 A. You don’t just go around asking random people random questions.
31 Q2. Correct. And Detective Flores explained to you where, there’s a series of questions we’re
32 asking people; were they involved with the murder, do they know where the body was
33 found, all of that.
34 A. Okay.
35 Q2. Do you have any information on where the body was found, this girl’s body was found?
1 A. I have a feeling I know what you guys are getting at because I’m pretty sure you’ve
2 already spoke to the FBI.
3 Q2. I haven’t spoke to the FBI. I don’t know if Detective Flores has but I haven’t. And I’m
4 the one that was asking if you know where.
5 A. Tucson Police?
6 Q2. I’ve talked to some Tucson Police Department detectives, yeah.

7 A. Okay.
8 Q2. Mm hm (yes).
9 A. So.
10 Q2. Like I said, I’m gonna be honest with ya, you know?
11 A. All right.
12 Q2. Can you help us out with where her body was found?
13 A. I kind of get th-, I, I think I know what you guys are getting at. And.
14 Q2. What’s that?

15 A. I’m not gonna sit here, I’m, I’m not in the business of giving information either.
16 Q2. Okay. That’s fine. That’s your right. It’s a free country. You don’t have to give us any
17 information.
18 Q. Just so I understand, I mean, are you willing to answer questions or no? And, and as I
19 said, I, that’s not taking it personally. We just want to know. We want to ask you
20 questions about this.
21 A. No, what you guys are trying to do is trick me.
22 Q. I think we’ve been pretty straight up.

23 A. No, you, no. Please don’t say that.
24 Q. But I understand. I think what.

25 A. You’re, you’re insulting my intelligence.
26 Q. You want information from us. I told you I’m not gonna give you.
27 A. I’m, I’m in here with this kind of insinuation towards a pretentious attitude.
28 Q. Mm hm (yes).
29 A. And I don’t know. Like, this whole interview you guys have kind of been looking at me
30 with acuity. I mean if, if there’s something that you want to ask me, just ask it.
31 Q. I’ve already asked it. I asked you if you had anything to do with the rape and murder of
32 this girl.
33 A. But here’s the, okay. And I already told you.
34 Q. And, and that’s fine.

35 A. I haven’t raped and murdered or raped and/or murdered anybody.
1 Q. And, and _ you were, you were pretty fair to answer that too. So, all we’re trying to do is
2 ascertain right now do you have any knowledge of this girl? Any knowledge of her
3 death? Do you know anybody that knew her? I mean these are questions that a homicide
4 detective would ask somebody, anybody. And like I said, you live near her. You’re a
5 registered, you’re a registered sex offender. Obviously, we’re gonna be curious. We’re
6 gonna ask questions of certain people. We’re gonna go around and find other registered
7 sex offenders in the area and ask ‘em the same questions.
8 A. Well, I think that’s, I mean I, uh, nothing about all of this is ringing any bells. If you guys
9 are more specific then maybe I could help you.
10 Q. What, what question would you like me to answer for you? I’ll, I’ll let, let you know if I
11 can answer it.
12 A. The moment you’re willing to be straight up with me, I’ll be completely specific with you
13 to the best of my ability. But this just seems like I don’t know. It, it.
14 Q. Well, I can.
15 A. Is a lot of.
16 Q. I don’t know what to do to convince you. I can tell you I’m here for one purpose: to
17 investigate this little girl’s murder.
18 A. Okay.
19 Q. That’s it. And I’m not here for anybody else’s case. I know you said hey, you guys talked
20 to the FBI, TPD. I can care less what they’re working on. I’m here for her only.
21 A. I bet you could care less but you’ve spoken to TPD. And I’m sure that they told you some
22 things specifically about me, more than just me being a registered sex offender and __.
23 Q. Mm hm (yes). Yeah, they have.

24 A. Okay.
25 Q2. Are you helping them out with a case?

26 A. I don’t know. Do you know?
27 Q2. No, ‘cause they don’t give us too much detail.

28 A. So you don’t know anything about that?
29 Q2. Uh, we heard that you’re helping ‘em out. And we’re hoping you’d help us with this one.
30 A. But you just said you didn’t know that.
31 Q2. No, I said I don’t know any of the specifics of what you’re talking to them about or how
32 you’re helping ‘em out.
33 A. I mean, you probably know about it.
34 Q2. I don’t know the specifics. I know that you’re helping them out with a case.
35 A. With what case?
36 Q2. A case similar to this one, with a young girl.

37 A. Okay.
1 Q2. Yeah. I don’t know the specifics of how you’re helping them. I don’t know what’s going
2 on with that case. I know that we have one that’s a young girl too. And that’s what we’re
3 looking in to.
4 A. You’re trying to see if there’s a correlation between this.
5 Q2. Sure. Yeah.

6 A. And that?
7 Q2. Yeah. ‘Cause of the, they’re girls. They’re younger girls.

8 A. Okay.
9 Q2. Small town. It’s not New York City. It’s Tucson.
10 A. Right. So, what’s the correlation?
11 Q2. They’re young girls, small town.

12 A. But they were, but what, what, what is their, what’s their correlation with each other?
13 Q2. I don’t understand what you, what you mean. They were young girls. They were.
14 A. I mean you, you wouldn’t.
15 Q2. Killed.
16 A. I don’t think you would be here right now if, uh, the, you guys didn’t make a correlation.
17 You wouldn’t be talking to me.
18 Q2. Yeah. No, I’m not denying that. I’m trying to give you what the correlation is.
19 A. So what is, what, what’s the other correlation?
20 Q2. They’re young girls.

21 A. There’s something else that parallels.
22 Q. Well, she lived pretty close to you.

23 A. She lived pretty close to me?
24 Q. Yeah.
25 A. Okay. I mean, but I think there’s more to it than just that. Because if, if it’s what I’m
26 thinking and you guys know that I’m helping TPD out with a case, which, by the way,
27 I’m not helping them anymore because I’m still in Maricopa County Jail.
28 Q2. Okay.
29 A. But, did I help them? Yes.
30 Q2. Okay. That’s cool. Like I said, this girl similar, a lot of similar circumstances, so we’re
31 asking if you know anything about it.
32 A. I don’t think so.
33 Q2. No?
34 A. I don’t think so at all.
1 Q2. Why not?

2 A. Well, for one thing, I mean, what I’m trying to understand is where you guys are making
3 the correlation. Because if you guys know the circumstances behind what’s going on
4 here.
5 Q2. Mm hm (yes).
6 A. When, what I helped TPD with.
7 Q2. Mm hm (yes).
8 A. I mean did this, does this have anything to do with, you’re, you’re saying sexual assault,
9 right?
10 Q2. This girl was, yeah.

11 A. Okay. As far as I understand, there’s no correlation between that and what I’m helping
12 them with.
13 Q2. Like I said, my, my idea of what the correlation is, is they’re young girls, they’re from
14 Tucson, same general area, and they were murdered. I don’t have any evidence of the
15 other case you’re talking about, if it was a sexual assault. I don’t know if they’re
16 withholding that from me, or if it was or wasn’t. We’re just being upfront about this one.
17 We believe.
18 A. To my, to my knowledge it wasn’t.
19 Q2. Okay. Okay.

20 A. Not at all.
21 Q2. Yeah.
22 A. But you’re saying this one is, so I’m wondering where the correlation is.
23 Q2. Mm hm (yes). Other than, ‘cause the sexual assault is not a correlation. It’s not.
24 A. If you’re saying.
25 Q2. Yeah.
26 A. If you’re saying she’s sixteen years old and then.
27 Q. No, I, actually, I’m saying she’s thirteen years old.

28 A. Okay, but where’s, where’s the close proximity in age?
29 Q. They’re both young girls.

30 A. Okay.
31 Q. One of them, one of them you’re helping TPD out with and the other one happened to
32 live right, right by you.
33 A. One of them I was helping TPD out with.
34 Q. Okay, I’m sorry. You’re right. One of them you were helping TPD with. It, it, but think
35 about what it is that we know, that you know we know. We’re gonna ask those questions.
36 It makes sense that we’re gonna say hey.
1 A. I think I know what you guys know. And I think there is a reason why you’re here.
2 Q. Yeah.
3 A. But what I don’t like is you not being upfront about it. That tells me that you’re coming
4 in here already not being upfront. You’re just basically saying let’s bleed him for
5 information, what we can get out of him, and then give him absolutely nothing. And I’m
6 not gonna do that. I’m not gonna fall for that. I’m not gonna find myself being booked
7 into there for another fuckin’ charge that I have absolutely nothing to do with.
8 Q. Okay. And that’s fair.

9 A. So I mean, if you want to be upfront and you want to tell me why specifically it is that
10 you’re talking to me other than this bullshit about oh well, you lived in close proximity.
11 That’s, that’s a bunch of hogwash. That’s bullshit.
12 Q. You don’t, you.

13 A. And we both know it.
14 Q. You don’t, you don’t think that two young girls.

15 A. Oh, there might be a small correlation there.
16 Q. Uh huh (yes).
17 A. But n-, when did this happen?
18 Q. This happened a few years ago.

19 A. Okay. And you didn’t talk to me then but you’re talking to me now.
20 Q. Right.
21 A. It just so happens that this is just purely coincidental that you’re talking to me now, all
22 these years later?
23 Q. Right.
24 A. Years.
25 Q. Are, are you saying it’s coincidental? No, it’s not. You’re right.
26 A. Three years? Four? Five? I mean how many years are we talking about?
27 Q. It’s been a few years. And is, is it coincidental? No, it’s not coincidental.
28 A. Okay.
29 Q. We dig and we find things, and then we’re gonna act on it.
30 A. So what did you find?
31 Q. What we found is, we know now that we have two dead little girls, okay? One of them
32 happened to live right by you. You’re a level three sex offender. One of them you seem
33 to have a know-, a lot of knowledge about. Um, yeah, as a homicide investigator, it
34 wouldn’t make, it wouldn’t make any sense for me not to want to come and talk to you. It
35 doesn’t make.
36 A. One of them I seem to have a know-, a lot of knowledge about?
1 Q. Whatever you’re helping, or whatever you were, I’m sorry, whatever you were helping
2 TPD.
3 A. But I thought that you guys didn’t know the details of that?
4 Q. All I know is they’ve told us that you had helped them. If, if you’re gonna, you’re gonna
5 help somebody, I would guess that you have knowledge. There’s no way they’re gonna
6 say hey, I know something about this and that’s all I got. There’s no way. That, that
7 doesn’t happen. We, we _____.
8 A. But where’s the correlation? Is this girl, is she the daughter of some mob boss or
9 something?
10 Q. No.
11 Q2. No.
12 Q. No. She’s got a mom. And that’s it. That’s just a little girl living her life in Tucson, going
13 to school. That’s, that’s the only thing she’s got.
14 A. Okay, so.
15 Q2. And I told you too. I don’t know if you missed that, but they all, they live near each
16 other, the two girls too.
17 A. So if, okay.
18 Q2. So, two girls go missing from the same area that alone, whether they’re murdered or not
19 down the road, whether they’re missing or whatever, that’s something that we would look
20 at as police. You know there’s programs out there that say are they in the same zip code,
21 how far away are they, that kind of thing. Yeah.
22 A. Yeah, that’s all great.
23 Q2. Yeah.
24 A. But if this happened years ago.
25 Q2. Uh huh (yes).

26 A. What’s the correlation between now?
27 Q2. Well, the fact that.

28 A. How come now and not years ago?
29 Q2. Because you helped out with that other case…

30 A. Because.
31 Q2. …recently.
32 A. There we go.
33 Q2. And they told us about it that you helped out with it. And so we’re asking about this one.
34 A. Okay, so why would you guys say hey, let’s go and talk to him?
35 Q2. Because you helped with the other one. And these two girls live right near each other and
36 were abducted from the same area. And there’s circumstances, I’m sure you know about
1 the one you’re helping out with there’s circumstances without she went missing, like time
2 of day, stuff like that. And this girl goes missing so.
3 A. Well, I can assure you that I didn’t, I didn’t murder anybody.
4 Q2. Okay.
5 A. And as far as, I mean, like I said, I think I, the more, the more my brain exercises I think I
6 know the road that you guys are going down.
7 Q2. But do you.

8 A. And I’d be…
9 Q2. Do you know.

10 A. …more than willing to help you.
11 Q2. Sure.
12 A. But here’s the problem.
13 Q2. Mm hm (yes).
14 A. I’m in jail away from my son, my kid. And I already got fucked once helping them out.
15 Q2. Okay.
16 A. I gave them an answer that was supposed to be something that nobody was ever supposed
17 to know, as far as I understood. And they dismissed the charges down there but I’m still
18 being screwed up here.
19 Q2. But you’re not being…

20 A. So.
21 Q2. …held up here on murdering that girl in Tucson, right?

22 A. No.
23 Q2. Okay. Yeah, some-, something totally different happened years ago up here, right?
24 A. Right.
25 Q2. Okay. Okay. So you think they screwed you over?

26 A. Yeah.
27 Q2. Okay.
28 A. If, if this is what I think it is, which I, I think, I mean, if you guys were more
29 straightforward then I’d, I’d probably be able to know a hundred percent with, with
30 certainty but.
31 Q2. Mm hm (yes).
32 A. If it’s what I think you guys are getting at, then yeah, I, I’d probably be willing to talk to
33 you. But honestly, it, after being screwed with them, it, you guys already know. And it’s
34 probably something you wouldn’t be able to do.
1 Q2. Well, I, I’m gonna tell you right now too, I mean, do you think the FBI comes and tells us
2 about their investigations? Or even TPD? They don’t.
3 A. I don’t think. I believe you that the…
4 Q2. Yeah.
5 A. …FBI hasn’t told you anything. Which, the other case, it has more to do with the FBI
6 than it would TPD.
7 Q2. Okay.
8 A. But.
9 Q2. Did you help them find the body of this other girl?
10 A. I’m not gonna answer that.
11 Q2. Okay. Fair enough. Just I gotta ask, you know? So, ‘cause like I said, I’m not gonna lie to
12 you and tell you the I know what you’re helping the FBI with ‘cause I don’t. Do you have
13 any idea who might’ve done something to this girl?
14 A. If you were more specific, I might.
15 Q2. Mm hm (yes). Got rid of her body?

16 A. Don’t think so, man. I don’t know anything about that.
17 Q2. No?
18 A. I mean it, you’d have to be more specific, ‘cause if it’s what I think it is, then yeah, I, I
19 probably could be able to help you out with something.
20 Q2. Those.
21 A. But I’m not gonna say what that something is. I’m not gonna tell you. I already know
22 what you’re trying to do.
23 Q2. Well, my specific question is do you know who would’ve taken this girl after she’s
24 murdered and moved her body somewhere else?
25 A. I don’t know this girl.
26 Q2. Okay. Okay.

27 A. Not that I know of.
28 Q2. Do you know someone who’s into the business of killing young girls?
29 A. If I knew somebody like that, I probably would’ve came and told you guys.
30 Q2. Okay. To get out of jail? ‘Cause you probably wouldn’t be sitting right here right, right
31 now, right?
33 Q2. Yeah.
34 A. I can assure you it’s not me.
35 Q2. Okay.
1 A. I have two kids of my own.
2 Q2. Okay.
3 A. And I love ‘em to death. If this girl is thirteen, as you say.
4 Q2. Mm hm (yes). She is.

5 A. I, I feel bad for the parents.
6 Q2. Yeah.
7 A. I mean that’s horrible. I can only imagine what I’d go through if it was my, my little boy.
8 And I mean that sincerely. I mean.
9 Q. Yeah. And like I say, I can answer with, you know, obviously some questions. But I just
10 want you to understand. Like, if, you keep asking what’s the correlation type thing. Like I
11 said, we’re just here doing our jobs. Um, obviously, um, we were told that you had
12 helped TPD or the FBI or whatever with this case.
13 Q2. Okay, I’ll be right back.
14 Q. And our thing was okay, they both lived in the same area. They lived by you. I mean, it
15 wouldn’t, it wouldn’t make any sense for us not to come and try to talk to you. That,
16 that’s pretty much where it’s at. I mean I don’t, I don’t know if I could, I mean I, I
17 thought, I thought I’d made it.
18 A. You said that this girl she was killed? Or she just died or?
19 Q. No, she was murdered. Yeah.

20 A. How do you guys know that?
21 Q. Well, we do medical exams.

22 A. Oh and okay, so you guys found her?
23 Q. Yeah. Oh yeah, we have her body. Yeah.

24 A. Okay. So, was she in proximity? Was she found in proximity of?
25 Q. Well, before I can answer that I’d have to ask you that question.
26 A. How the fuck would I know?
27 Q. Okay. And that’s, I guess that’s the answer to the question. I, I mean.
28 A. That’s why I’m asking you.
29 Q. I, I, to be honest, I was gonna ask you that question. Do, do you know where her body
30 was found?
31 A. No.
32 Q. Okay.
33 A. How, how would I know? I’m asking you.
34 Q. Right.
35 A. Was, was.
1 Q. Right.
2 A. She found in proximity of somebody else?
3 Q. Um, I could tell you that it was found in a rural area. I’m not gonna tell you exactly
4 where, obviously, because only the person that put her there would know that.
5 A. Okay. Well, I really don’t know how to help you then.
6 Q. Well and you.

7 A. I mean.
8 Q. You already, you already answered the question. You, you said basically fuck no, I don’t
9 know where she’s at. I don’t know where her body was found.
10 A. There’s, let me, let me tell you this. There’s, there’s a story that I know. And it, is there a
11 correlation with, well, somewhat, I guess you could say, with what I’ve helped TPD with.
12 But that would cost you guys a hell of a lot more than what you’d be able to pay.
13 Q. Right. And you know, you know I’m just a detective. I don’t have that kind of authority.
14 I’m not even gonna pretend…
15 A. I know.
16 Q. …that I have anything close to that kind of authority. So I’m not gonna sit here and lie to
17 you and say I, I can. I can’t do shit for you, seriously.
18 A. Right. Then I can’t help you.
19 Q. Right. No and I understand. Like I said, you know you’ve, you’ve been pretty cool. Um,
20 I’m not, I’m not asking you to, to, uh, do anything you don’t want to do, like I said. I’ve
21 asked you some questions. You’ve answered some of them. Some of them you didn’t
22 want to. And it’s perfectly fair. You know I read you your rights at the beginning. You
23 have those rights. Not a problem. I mean things, the, the way, the way you’re talking, it
24 seems like you, you’ve kind of been around the block a time or two. I mean you, you
25 seem to know what’s go-, you’re pretty aware of your surroundings. You know you’re a
26 little bit on guard, saying hey, these detectives are asking me some really vague
27 questions. Come in here from another town, uh, you know ripping me out of the jail. I, I,
28 I get that. And like I said, you seem to be like a pretty intelligent guy. My thing is I don’t
29 want you to get the wrong impression. I, I, one hundred percent I’m here investigating
30 her rape and murder. We’ve asked you those questions. You’ve already answered those
31 questions, like I said. So all we’re, we’re trying to do is ask some background questions,
32 you know as far as okay, if you didn’t know who killed her, if you didn’t know who
33 raped her, maybe.
34 A. But you guys keep bringing up somebody murdering little girls.
35 Q. Well she, she was a little girl when she was murdered, yeah.
36 A. And, well, yeah, but you’re saying sexually assault and things like that. And.
37 Q. If you want me not to be vague in the sense that have I thought it was possibly that you
38 killed her, yes. Yeah. Obviously, I wouldn’t be here. I mean I wouldn’t say hey,
39 Christopher Clements is a registered sex offender level three who lived by her. Um,
40 maybe he knows who did it. No, that’s, I mean you’re pretty intelligent. I’m not gonna sit
1 here and lie to you and say okay, well maybe, uh, maybe he’s a, he just happens to know
2 somebody. No, it’s, obviously, the thought has crossed my mind. Is it possible that Mr.
3 Clements is.
4 A. No, you, you probably think I’m the person that did it.
5 Q. I have to, you have to know what my job is.

6 A. Yeah, nobody…
7 Q. My job is to investigate it.

8 A. …comes and pulls somebody out of jail like that.
9 Q. We do it all the time. I, I gotta be, I mean, you know that that happens nonstop. We pull
10 people out of jail all the time and talk to them.
11 A. Yeah, but you usually pull ‘em out in the hallway, things like that. You don’t bring ‘em
12 in an interview room with hidden audio and cameras everywhere.
13 Q. Well and I can tell you down in Pima County, our, our stuff is right there at the jail. I’ve
14 never.
15 A. I know it is.
16 Q. I don’t.
17 A. ___ in the room.
18 Q. Right. I don’t come h-, o-, over at, I don’t, I’m not familiar with that jail. I, so what I did
19 is I asked the Phoenix Police Department could you help me out. I’d like to interview this
20 guy. Sure, we’ll give you a room to interview him in. I don’t, as far as interviewing, I
21 have never seen, I’ve never been able to interview anybody down there.
22 A. Well I didn’t, I didn’t kill this girl.
23 Q. I appreciate that. I appreciate, like, just like you said, I asked you the question. You
24 answered the question. And w-, while we would try to do.
25 A. You said she has a family?
26 Q. She has a mom, yeah. Yeah. I’ve been in real close contact with her mom for the past
27 several years.
28 A. Okay. Can you tell me names?
29 Q. Uh, her mom? Her mom’s name is Valerie.

30 A. Valerie what?
31 Q. Valerie Calonge.
32 A. Huh.
33 Q. Is that something that helps you out?

34 A. Huh?
35 Q. Does that help you out?

36 A. Help me out with what?
1 Q. The name.
2 A. ___.
3 Q. I’m just ___ your reaction. Do, do you know Valerie Calonge?
4 A. I’m not gonna answer that.
5 Q. Okay. And you don’t have to. Like I said, you don’t have to answer any questions but.
6 A. I don’t know her, no.
7 Q. Okay.
8 A. Personally, I don’t know her. No.
9 Q. Okay. Um, we really, like I said, we, I’ve got, like I said.
10 Q2. What do you want to talk about, man? Anything else?
11 A. I’d like a cigarette.
12 Q2. We might be able to make arrangements for that. It’s a Phoenix place. We’ll see what we
13 can do. So basically you’re saying you didn’t, you never killed or raped anybody, is what
14 you’re telling us so.
15 A. Jesus, no. I mean.
16 Q2. Okay.
17 A. My, the, the crime that I registered for now if it happened when I was fifteen. It happened
18 in 1997.
19 Q2. Mm hm (yes).
20 A. Um, it was a mistake I made as a child. I was a kid, myself.
21 Q2. Sure.
22 A. I mean every day I live wishing that I could tell that kid you know what the fuck are you
23 doing.
24 Q2. Mm hm (yes).
25 A. But I didn’t rape anybody even then.
26 Q2. Okay.
27 A. I mean.
28 Q. Well, Mr. Clements, one of the things we’re gonna do is we’re gonna basically vet you
29 out, in saying okay, let’s move on to the next person. The way we’re gonna do that in this
30 case is through DNA, okay? Um, I know you said, you already said I’ll give you my
31 DNA. That’s not a problem. Okay?
32 A. You guys already have it in the database.
33 Q. Right. But we do, okay, here’s the thing with that is there’s certain types of DNA and
34 there’s also certain ways we get DNA. One of the things we do is we go straight to the
35 source. I know there’s a database out there. I know it’s called, you know everybody
36 knows that in the country. But one of the things that we do is we, we’re gonna vet you
1 out to this case through DNA, okay? You said you had nothing to do with it. No problem.
2 We’re gonna collect your DNA today.
3 A. Did my DNA come up in this case?
4 Q. No, it hasn’t. Your DNA has not come up in this case.

5 A. But I mean.
6 Q. But I’m gonna make sure your DNA’s not gonna come up in this case.
7 A. But I’m, yeah, that’s fine. But what I’m saying is though is if you have my DNA on file.
8 Q. Mm hm (yes).
9 A. What would be the point of getting it again?
10 Q2. ‘Cause there’s no file that we can take and run, magically run DNA from a crime scene
11 though necessarily and see if it’s you.
12 A. Sure you can.
13 Q2. No, there isn’t, actually. And I’ll explain it to you if you want. Okay? There is this
14 database that they took your DNA for and put it into, okay?
15 A. Right.
16 Q2. That has many restrictions and stuff like that as far as what you can search through it,
17 how, etcetera. If we have evidence from a crime scene and it’s a certain standard of
18 DNA, whether it e a hundred percent grade DNA, fifty percent, you know I’m not a
19 scientist, okay? Uh, it has to rise to certain level to be able to search it though that
20 database. Okay? So what we’re doing with the crime scene stuff we have is we’re doing
21 direct comparison. These people that are on the list we’re gonna go out, get their DNA
22 and we’re gonna directly compare it to what we have from the scene to see if it’s you, Joe
23 Blow, Billy Bob, anybody. Okay? So yeah, you’re in the system, but we’re not gonna sit
24 here and lie to you and say we can run what we have from the crime scene through the
25 system because you’ve probably seen TV. And just because you do DNA doesn’t mean
26 you necessarily get this giant DNA profile that tells you who it is.
27 A. All right.
28 Q2. So that’s kind of the long and short of it. Is we’re gonna compare your DNA that we get
29 today directly to the DNA evidence from the scene. Okay? Because it, uh, it doesn’t rise
30 to the level that we could run it through the, the, the database that you’re in when they
31 took your DNA. It’s not good enough.
32 Q. And we’re, we’re just gonna vet you out.
33 A. I don’t believe that, but sure.
34 Q2. Well you know what?

35 A. I mean I know that they have partial…
36 Q2. You can take that to the bank.

37 A. …profiles and.
38 Q2. Exactly. They do. And they have to raise.
1 A. Yeah, they run it. They, they put it in a database.
2 Q2. Correct. And if it’s not a, a to a certain level of a partial profile to put into that database,
3 which is called CODIS, I’m sure you know that, uh, then we can’t put it in there and run
4 it through there. Okay? It has to rise to a certain level. ‘Cause you know just ‘cause I
5 touch that can right now you may get a partial profile of my DNA. It doesn’t mean you’ll
6 get enough that all of a sudden I can take it, run it down to the lab and say hey, science
7 guy, uh, run this through the, the, the profile. You know that I mean? The machine. So
8 that’s what we’re doing with the DNA from you today is directly comparing it to.
9 A. I mean they’re trying to get my DNA in Maricopa County too.
10 Q2. Yeah, we’ve got a search warrant to get it today, yeah.

11 Q. But that’s not Maricopa County.
12 Q2. Yeah.
13 Q. This is specifically for this case.
14 A. All right.
15 Q2. We’re taking your DNA and comparing it to what we have from the case. It has nothing
16 to do with going into this database or any of that stuff because as I said, I’m not lying to
17 you, because we’re trying to get your help and truthfulness. The truthfulness is we don’t
18 have a profile that is up to the standard that they will run it through the database.
19 A. Right.
20 Q2. So, it doesn’t mean it’s not useful. Doesn’t mean that it may not tell us down the road
21 who was there. It just mean that at this point it can’t be run through the database. So
22 we’re gonna compare it to the DNA evi-, evidence from this girl’s body and see if it’s
23 your DNA or there’s parts of it or whatever. More than one, sometimes mixtures, more
24 than one person you know we can’t put that through that, that DNA database either.
25 That’s why Detective Flores asked you if you ever had sex with the girl in that picture.
26 Q. So Mr. Clements, what I’m gonna let you do is, this is a search warrant. I’m gonna just
27 let you read it. I’ll answer any questions you have about the search warrant. Okay? And
28 you’ll be able to take that with you, sir. If you want it to go in your property, let me know
29 if you don’t want it, if you don’t want it in your cell. We can, we can work it out either
30 way.
31 A. And what happens if I refuse?
32 Q. Well, it, it’s a search warrant. You actually can’t refuse. But, um.
33 A. I mean what happens if I refuse?
34 Q2. You’d be subject to the mandates of the court for refusing the direct court order which
35 includes censure or whatever they do with the court, including up to criminal charges so.
36 I’m not saying that’s gonna happen but they have their process through the court if you
37 refuse.
38 Q. We can certainly document that you’re not giving consent, if that’s what you’d like, sir.
39 A. Uh, no, I mean this, this, this is still vague. I mean, and I know that you guys have, I
40 mean, you can tell me all you want that CODIS this and CODIS that. I get that. But I
1 think it’s just yet another witch hunt. You guys are, I mean, you get my DNA. It’s not
2 gonna match anything. I mean.
3 Q. Yeah, it should vet you out. I mean we’ll move on from there. We’ll move on to, I guess,
4 the next person that lived near you.
5 A. I don’t believe that though. I just, I don’t.
6 Q. If your DNA don’t match.

7 A. I.
8 Q. We would have no reason to contact you again, seriously. It, it, it wouldn’t make any
9 sense. I mean just think of it logically. It makes no sense. Why would we come back to
10 you if your DNA’s not there?
11 A. No, no, I’m not, I’m not talking about the DNA. What I’m saying is, is well I guess in a
12 way, I am. Because you guys come here, and this is years after this has supposedly
13 happened. And now you’re telling me we need your DNA.
14 Q. Yeah.
15 A. I mean I know for a fact that my DNA’s on file. If my DNA matched anything, I
16 would’ve known about it a long time ago.
17 Q2. Not true. And I explained to you exactly why. I’m being totally upfront with you and
18 telling you that we have something that is a DNA off of that girl’s body that is not…
19 A. And what I’m saying is this.
20 Q2. …good enough to enter into that system.

21 A. When I was ex-, exactly.
22 Q2. Mm hm (yes).
23 A. And when I was in Pima County Jail.
24 Q2. Mm hm (yes).
25 A. They did a PCR or whatever for one of the burglaries that happened over there.
26 Q2. Okay.
27 A. And they gave me the same schpeel.
28 Q2. Mm hm (yes).
29 A. And then I come to find out, I read the police report. They did match it in CODIS.
30 Q2. Okay.
31 A. They, well they didn’t match it. But they, it, there was no reason for them to come out
32 and get my DNA. They already had it on file. And they said that they had to use PCR
33 methods to pull it up.
34 Q2. PCR is a test that the lab does to, uh, multiply the amount of DNA that…
35 A. Right.
1 Q2. …is on a swab. Okay.

2 A. That was at the scene.
3 Q2. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So they used that on a swab from the scene to compare to you, so they
4 multiplied the scene stuff, okay? So probably what happened in that case, now I don’t
5 know if, you can correct me if I’m wrong, is that they had, they multiplied it and
6 eventually directly matched it to you.
7 A. I don’t know what they did.
8 Q2. Yeah.
9 A. All I know is there was no reason for them, but they did the same thing.
10 Q2. Well, maybe I didn’t.

11 A. They came out and got my DNA.
12 Q2. Okay.
13 A. And I, I just, it, it, if my DNA matches something.
14 Q2. Mm hm (yes).
15 A. You guys would’ve known it.
16 Q2. No, we wouldn’t have. And I’ll also tell you another thing about CODIS, okay? You
17 cannot, I cannot draw a sample out of there. That is for input only. Okay? So in other
18 words, the way that.
19 A. Oh no, I, I get that.
20 Q2. Yeah. The way that all these, everybody that’s, you know everybody that’s been in prison
21 and lee-, meets a certain, the certain crimes they’ve committed and been convicted of gets
22 put into CODIS. Okay? Uh, if I have a burglary, like you’re talking about, I can’t go get
23 John Smith’s CODIS profile and compare it to the one from my case.
24 A. No. I, I.
25 Q2. Yeah.
26 A. I know that.
27 Q2. Yeah. Okay.

28 A. But you input the DNA in there.
29 Q2. Yeah. Yeah.

30 A. And then you get a profile back.
31 Q2. Okay.
32 A. If there is a profile.
33 Q2. And we do have DNA from this case, from this girl’s body. Okay? The DNA is not a full
34 profile. Okay? And I also explained to you there’s other stuff like mixtures that occur and
35 stuff like that that prevent us from inputting into CODIS. Okay?
36 A. Okay.
1 Q2. So this, uh.

2 A. But what’s the point of pulling my DNA if you.
3 Q2. To see if you had.

4 A. … that.
5 Q2. To see if you had sex with this girl. Okay? I mean we asked you. Did you.
6 A. I mean I.
7 Q2. We asked you straight up did you have sex with this girl. We have DNA from this girl’s
8 body and it’s gonna tell us if, when we get your DNA, if you had sex with this girl.
9 A. All right.
10 Q2. That’s, and you, you want us to be directly front, upfront with you. That’s what it’s gonna
11 be compared to.
12 A. Right. That’s fine.
13 Q2. Okay.
14 A. I’m just saying I, I just, I’d rather have an attorney present.
15 Q2. Okay. That’s fine. We’re still gonna swab your cheek pursuant to the search warrant.
16 Okay?
17 A. And I, I don’t, I’m not complying with that. I just, I, I don’t like this. This, ever since I
18 left Tucson, they’ve been upset with me for not cooperating anymore. And I just get the
19 feeling this is something furthering that. And for all I know, I mean, how, I, I don’t trust
20 cops. I mean how do I know that you guys aren’t gonna do something funny? I just, you
21 guys have your methods. And they’re proven throughout the years. And now you’re
22 sitting here saying well now we need to get your DNA.
23 Q2. Correct.
24 A. That just doesn’t make any sense. And to say we can’t put it in the database, I just, I don’t
25 believe that.
26 Q2. You’re a smart guy. You know that. And you’re, and you’re lying to me when you say
27 you don’t believe that. You’re lying.
28 A. No, I truly don’t believe that.
29 Q2. I, I don’t believe you when you say that. Because here’s the situation: it makes total
30 sense. And you’ve probably heard it from people before.
31 A. No, I’ve never heard it before.
32 Q2. You’ve never heard that if you have a mixture of two people, how would I, how would I
33 take a mixture of two people, put it into the CODIS database and see who it is?
34 A. Because you isolate the profile.
35 Q2. You can’t do that.

36 A. I know that. Yes, I.
1 Q2. Okay. And so our lab is lying to us then.

2 A. I’ve read books. I mean I know that you guys can isolate profiles…
3 Q2. Okay.
4 A. …from one another. I mean I’ve heard, I’ve read about crime scenes that had blood
5 everywhere. I, I just, I’m not believing that you guys couldn’t isolate something. And
6 now, all of a sudden, magically you need my DNA. For what?
7 Q2. No, it’s not magic. Your name is coming up because of what I explained to you. The two
8 girls live near where you lived. They live next to each other, etcetera, etcetera. It’s not
9 magic, okay? And we’re gonna directly compare your DNA to this girl.
10 A. You can do that.
11 Q2. Okay.
12 A. But you’re not gonna get it from me willingly. I want…
13 Q2. Okay.
14 A. …to talk to an attorney before I do that.
15 Q2. Sure.
16 A. And I want to make sure that he witnesses the chain of command or something to that
17 effect, ‘cause I just, I can’t help but think this is something that has to do with something
18 else.
19 Q2. It has to do with the murder of this girl. That’s it.

20 A. I didn’t murder anybody.
21 Q2. Okay.
22 A. Didn’t rape anybody.
23 Q2. Okay. Do you want to, uh, do you have an attorney that you deal with up here in
24 Maricopa County?
25 A. Yeah, his name is, uh.
26 Q2. And I’m not promising you that anything you demand is gonna happen ‘cause this is a
27 search warrant. I’m gonna tell you right now we’re gonna call the judge. And if he tells
28 us to take it from you by blood instead of mouth, we’ll do it that way. Okay? I’m not
29 promising you anything. I’m trying to be cool and work with you. Okay? Make this
30 easiest for everybody. But whatever the judge says goes, goes. This is a superior court
31 judge. If he says take blood, we take blood. Okay? I’m not promising you that what you
32 say has to happen happens. Okay? ‘Cause this is a court order.
33 A. But you, but if he says take blood, what do you do? You hold me down and…
34 Q2. Correct.
35 A. …force a needle into my arm?
1 Q2. Just like a DUI. We do. Yes. We will do that. If he says to do it, we will do it. Happens
2 all the time when people fight with police on a DUI. Take ‘em to the hospital and we get
3 the blood from ‘em so.
4 Q. Mr. Clements, and that’s why you see right here I, it’ll say buckle swabs or blood. The
5 judge, the judge is already basically saying we can do that. Just think of a search warrant
6 is sometimes when we go to a house, we don’t actually always knock. We’ll knock. And
7 sometimes we’ll come in because they let us in, sometimes we’ll just force our way in.
8 But we don’t want to do that. We don’t want to do that.
9 Q2. If you want, when we swab your cheek, here’s what I’ll do for you. We’re gonna put it in
10 an envelope, okay? We’ll let you initial the envelope on the back just like we do. That
11 way, when it goes to the lab.
12 A. But how do I know that that envelope’s not gonna be opened on its way to where it’s
13 going?
14 Q2. I’m explaining it to you. ‘Cause when it goes to the lab they’re gonna photograph it.
15 We’ll take a photogr-, I’ll go get my camera right now. We’ll photograph it right now in
16 front of you. I’ll take the photograph as we do it. It’s on video here, so the thing will be
17 on the video. I mean __ camera right there. We’ll hold it up to the camera. When it goes
18 to the lab they photograph the evidence. And if it doesn’t match then someone did
19 something to it. And I’ll let you put your initials on the back of the envelope just like we
20 do. I’ll go get my camera. Is yours up here or is it, uh, down in the car?
21 Q. I don’t have mine.
22 Q2. I’ll go get mine out of the car.
23 Q. You need some water or something?
24 A. No. I’d like a cigarette.
25 Q. Uh, uh, and you understand I, I can only ask ‘cause I don’t actually work here, but I, I can
26 certainly ask. I don’t know what their policy is here. Um, I’ll be right back, okay, sir?
27 A. No, you can keep that here.
28 Q. What’s that?
29 A. Never mind. It doesn’t matter.
30 Q. The, the DNA, look, my hand is all over it. I, I’m not gonna take your DNA ___.
31 A. I don’t, I don’t care. Fuck.
32 Q. Mr. Clements, again, all we’re gonna do is we’re gonna ask for your cooperation. We, we
33 understand that you don’t want to give it to us.
34 A. I’d like a cigarette first before I do any of that.
35 Q. I, I can’t give you a cigarette.

36 A. Well then I can’t give you my DNA.
37 Q. Okay. And actually, I don’t want to, here, here’s the thing. I, we already told you the
38 options, okay? We don’t want to go that route ‘cause it just gets, it’s just something that’s
39 not even necessary.
1 A. Uh huh (yes). Well, let’s make it difficult. I mean, you guys came in here. You haven’t
2 been upfront with me with what’s going on.
3 Q. What, what part do you think we’re not being upfront about?
4 A. You know what? I’m not, I’m not gonna sit here and keeping going with you.
5 Q. Okay.
6 A. I mean you.
7 Q. I, I think it.
8 A. You guys, you guys know…
9 Q. Been clear as possible.

10 A. …what you’ve been doing. You know what you’ve.
11 Q. Right.
12 A. I’m in here making insinuations. I told you from the get go I’d be more specific with you.
13 I would be, and, and you guys aren’t. You guys keep asking questions. Well, what makes
14 you think that. What makes you think this. I’m not.
15 Q2. We’re specific about the search warrant, what it says. And that we’re, we’re gonna get
16 your DNA before we leave here today. Uh, and I’m not trying to be argumentative with
17 ya. But I have to tell you.
18 A. Oh, I get that.
19 Q2. That we, we are, are obligated. It says, it says that we’re commanded to go ahead and get
20 it by the judge. Commanded. Not it’s optional or anything like that. And all it takes is
21 opening your mouth. You know what it, the, the routine. Swab on the inside of your
22 cheek.
23 A. Yeah, I’ve been through it a million times. That’s why I can’t understand why you guys
24 need it again.
25 Q2. ‘Cause we’re gonna directly compare it in this case.

26 A. All right.
27 Q2. It’s gonna go to our lab directly and then be directly compared.
28 Q. So all I need to make sure is that you’re gonna be cooperative right now?
29 A. No.
30 Q. If we were to try to swab your cheek, what’s the result?

31 A. Huh? Find out.
32 Q. What does that mean? I mean what I’m asking, I’ll be more direct. Are you gonna, are
33 you gonna fight with us?
34 A. Maybe.
35 Q2. Why?
1 A. Because I don’t, I don’t like this. I don’t trust you guys. I, I don’t trust cops. It’s nothing
2 against you personally. I just, I don’t trust you guys.
3 Q2. It’s on video here. We’re gonna let, put it in the envelope, let you seal it, hold it up to that
4 camera right there.
5 A. That’s fine. But at the end of the day, you guys are in, in control of everything and I’m in
6 control of absolutely nothing. I can’t follow you to make sure it goes to the lab.
7 Q2. Nope.
8 Q. If there was something to come up on it later on, you understand that you have a right to
9 an independent test. You can test it yourself later on, saying.
10 A. I’m not worried about it matching anything.
11 Q. Great.
12 A. I’m not, I’m not worried about that. What I, what I’m worried about is you guys making
13 it match something.
14 Q. Right. So if we made it match, you, at a later time, can send your DNA off with your
15 attorney separately.
16 A. How?
17 Q. You…
18 A. How?
19 Q. …your attorney has the right to.

20 A. You guys, all you have to do is say this is the DNA that we found on…
21 Q2. No. We already, we already have…

22 A. …whatever body and all that.
23 Q2. …we already have the DNA from her body. I already told you that.
24 A. Well I’m not, I, you know what? I just, I don’t feel comfortable with it. I don’t like it.
25 Q2. Okay.
26 A. You guys have been sneaky from the get go, from the time that we left the jail all the way
27 to here.
28 Q. Okay, I’m not gonna __ anymore. I’ll be right back.

29 Q2. Call the judge see, and we’ll find a phlebotomist. Here, you take that. I’ll be, I’ll be back.
30 I’ll come out with you. __.
31 Q3. Q4. Christopher?
32 A. Hi.
33 Q3. Q4. Hey. Remember when I, uh, came in and I asked you for some water or a can of
34 soda pop and you said yes?
1 Q3. Q4. Okay. Here’s the process. We’ll take you because you did voluntarily give us the
2 DNA because we now have it from the can. Obviously you know that. The, the difference
3 is it’s gonna take a little bit longer if we go that route in actually doing the test. So we, we
4 basically have it. And it’s, it’s nothing. It is something that, and I, I’ve watched this video
5 from in there. And I’ve been here for a very long, long, many, many, many years. You’re
6 very experienced and very, uh, good talker. You’ve been around. And you’re very
7 intelligent. I, I enjoyed watching your interview. But I’m gonna tell you the DNA we’re
8 gonna get. We’re just gonna, uh, we’re letting you know we’re gonna…
9 A. __________ there’s no denying that.
10 Q3. Q4. …we’re gonna get it because it’s a court order.

11 A. I’m.
12 Q3. Q4. Either, either by blood.

13 A. I understand it.
14 Q3. Q4. Or by.

15 A. Crystal clear.
16 Q3. Q4. Buckle. But we also got it voluntarily through the, uh, the can. So we’ll process it.
17 But what I’m saying is it’s just gonna take longer. Um, what we would like to do is just
18 to not have to wrestle with you and hold you down, strap you down in a chair and pull an
19 officer that draws blood. And they draw blood once every, you know, three or four
20 weeks, to come out here and draw your blood to get your DNA via blood rather than
21 buckle swab. And, uh, but we’re gonna get it because it’s a court order.
22 Q4. Christopher, I’m Sergeant Hansen with the Phoenix Police Department. Just, I don’t
23 know anything about all this. I’m here to accommodate these guys. Um, they’ve got a, I
24 don’t know what you think you’re gonna delay, but they’ve.
25 A. I’m not trying to delay…
26 Q4. Well, well, no, let me…

27 A. …anything.
28 Q4. …let me finish. Let me finish. Okay, so whether, whether it’s here as a gentleman with a
29 buckle swab or back over at the jail in the, in the, in the chair with the spit mask strapped
30 to it, drawing blood, they’re, they’re gonna leave here with your DNA sample today. It’s
31 not, I’m not trying to be threatening or be an asshole about this.
32 A. I.
33 Q4. They’ve got, they’ve got the search warrant.

34 A. ______.
35 Q4. You are not in the driver’s seat.

36 A. ___ already pointing out.
37 Q4. You’re not in the driver’s seat.

38 A. What I already know.
1 Q4. You’re not in the driver’s seat, Christopher.

2 A. But you know what? Sometimes.
3 Q4. It’s a search warrant.

4 A. Sometimes it’s the fight that matters.
5 Q4. It’s a search warrant. So you’re just gonna fight for the fun of fighting?
6 A. Well, I mean, you know from, from the get go I’ve got nothing through this whole thing.
7 I’ve gotten ______________.
8 Q4. Okay. Well and I, this isn’t a tr-, this isn’t a trade off. I don’t know.
9 A. See, once again, you wanted me to let you finish talking but here you are…
10 Q4. ‘Cause you, ‘cause, ‘cause…

11 A. …interrupting me.
12 Q4. …you’re, you’re not in the driver’s seat with this right now, Christopher. It is a search
13 warrant signed by a judge that says they have the right to “intrude”. A, a, a search warrant
14 for a house is an intrusion. A search warrant into your mouth or your vein is an intrusion.
15 And the judge says there’s legal cause for that intrusion.
16 A. Great.
17 Q4. Okay. So, are you going to let, be a gentleman and give your buckle swab?
18 A. No.
19 Q4. Okay. Well then I’m gonna make arrangements for the blood draw.
20 A. You already got, you already got the Coke bottle.
21 Q4. Okay.
22 A. I’ve tried to be fair from the get go.
23 Q3. I, I.
24 A. I told them to be upfront with me from the get go. It’s not like I just automatically started
25 this. They, if they would’ve been upfront with me from the get go and said you know
26 what, hey, this all summarizes to we want this.
27 Q3. Right. Here the, here, obviously you’ve been, you’ve been around. And I’m gonna give
28 you credit where credit’s due. Um, you know how the system works on how, um, we, we,
29 and their profession, my profession, we can’t just come out here and say this is what we
30 have and I want you to agree on it.
31 A. Right. But he doesn’t get the, the point that he kept saying oh well, you know, we’re
32 gonna get it one way or another. I’m not trying to delay anything.
33 Q3. Right.
34 A. But to me, it’s, it’s the whole point of the matter. It’s you didn’t want to be upfront with
35 me from the get go, so now here you are asking me to do you a favor, when you came in
36 here and said we’re giving this guy absolutely no fuckin’ favors. I mean.
1 Q3. What, what we’re trying to do, I mean what my boss is trying to do is we’re trying to
2 avoid the conflict. And whether, there will be, there will.
3 A. Give me a cigarette and I’ll hand it over no problem.
4 Q3. I can, I tell you what. I can give you a cigarette who, if I can find a cigarette, after.
5 A. That’s.
6 Q3. ‘Cause I, hey, _____.

7 A. That’s an okie doke right there.
8 Q3. Okay. Let me, let me show you something. I work for the City of Phoenix. Okay? I have
9 nothing to do with anything going down with, uh, what was that, uh, Pima County or
10 Tucson.
11 A. Right.
12 Q3. Uh, I’m here as a courteous for them to use my room and our equipment. Um.
13 A. If they want it, if they want me to give it voluntarily, I have no problem with doing that if
14 I get a cigarette. You have my word.
15 Q3. But.
16 A. After I get the cigarette, I promise you you can, hell, you can take it from me as I’m.
17 Q3. I’ll tell you what though. A, I can’t give you a cigarette in here. When we get to
18 downstairs on the way out, we’ll get you a cigarette. I cannot give it to you in here. We
19 cannot light up a cigarette.
20 A. Right. I get that.
21 Q3. In this place here.

22 A. But I.
23 Q3. We’re not gonna take you downstairs. I’m giving you, and I’m not lying to you. I’m
24 giving you my word that we will get you one after the fact. But if, and if, but if not, then
25 we’re just gonna have to do the blood draw. And we’ll strap you down like Hannibal
26 Lector at, at the jail. Um, you’ll end up probably being sore afterwards. So let’s just, let’s
27 just be gentlemen about it. If you want me to do it, I’ll do it. I’ll, I’ll do the, uh, DNA. I’ll
28 seal the bag. And it’ll be my signature and my.
29 A. I know, I know damn good and well that once you guys get that, when we go downstairs
30 I’m gonna be told you’re burned, dude. You’ve got nothing coming.
31 Q3. I’ll get you a fuckin’ cigarette. I’ll, I have to go across to one of the girls that I know
32 smokes.
33 Q2. I’ll go buy ‘em if I have to, man. I’m not withholding a cigarette from you, man. I told
34 you __.
35 Q3. We just don’t want, bottom line is, I’ll be honest with you. We just don’t want to have to
36 kick your ass or hold you down and get scratched up, you know, or do something stupid.
37 We don’t know what anything that may end up happening if we have to strap you down.
38 And that goes for the sa-, if they __ at jail. And, but again, like my boss said, we are, you
1 know, gonna get DNA either way. So do you want me to go hunt down a cigarette while
2 he’s getting, uh.
3 Q3. And I have your word I will get a cigarette?
4 Q2. You’ve got his and mine.
5 Q3. You’ve got my word.
6 Q2. I’ll get, we’ll get you a cigarette.
7 Q3. I can’t tell you what brand ‘cause I have no clue.
8 A. I don’t, I don’t care what brand.
9 Q3. All right.

10 Q2. All right.
11 Q3. You, you good with him?
12 Q2. Yeah.
13 Q3. __ good?
14 Q2. I’m gonna get you a cigarette, man. It’s not a, not a, not a problem. And like I said, we’re
15 gonna put this in the bag on camera together for what it’s worth down the road. You
16 know? I understand your feelings and everything. So what I’m gonna do is, uh, once, I’m
17 gonna, once I ask you to open your mouth, just keep it open. That way, I’ll open this and
18 I won’t talk, so I don’t get spit on it or anything.
19 A. That’s fine.
20 Q2. Okay. I’ve gotta do one on each side but. Try to open your mouth for me, man. Okay.
21 And one more time for me, man. I appreciate it. And we’ll give you a copy of the
22 paperwork. And I will get you a smoke, man.
23 A. All right.
24 Q2. Have him bring his paperwork and stuff in. Could you get a Sharpie and some tape?
25 Q. Here’s a Sharpie. I’ll get the tape.
26 Q2. And I already sealed this here so. Yeah. We’ll, yeah, we’ll take care of that in a second.
27 Q3. It’s a Camel.
28 A. Cool. Thank you.
29 Q2. Do you have a, uh, lighter too?

30 Q4. You want to have him seal that or sign it?
31 Q2. Yeah. Yeah, we’ll take care of it. Here, go ahead and, I’m gonna put my initials here.
32 And today is what? Eight?
33 Q. 15th on ____.
34 Q2. Go ahead and put your initials on there too, Mr. Clements. Whatever you, I don’t know. I
35 do CJH ‘cause my name is ___. Uh, 08/15/17. And we’re gonna put evidence tape over
36 that and everything so okay. But that’s already sealed shut. All right. Let me, uh, figure
37 out how we, uh, where we gotta go to get the smoke and everything from these guys, all
38 right? And I’ll put this __ in a bag. Might need that. Will you take this back ______?
39 Q. Yeah. ______.
40 Q2. If I, if you want to found out a, as far as the smoke goes and stuff and, uh, bring those leg
41 chains through, ‘cause I think here, the policy is you gotta have the leg irons on when…
42 A. Yeah.
1 Q2. …you’re walking outside or something. Have you been at the downtown facility the
2 whole time you’ve been here or they move you around?
3 A. No, I’ve been downtown.
4 Q2. Downtown? Let me see if I can get you out of here ___. I’ll be right back. You’ve got
5 the.
6 Q3. Yep, got it.
7 Q2. You got those leg things if we’re gonna go out front? ‘Cause he’s gonna be, he’s gonna…
8 Q3. ____.
9 Q2. …cuffed in front to smoke.
10 Q3. No, he can, he can, uh, smoke from.
11 Q2. Do we need to put the leg irons on him or?
12 Q3. No.
13 Q2. No?
14 Q3. No, he can smoke from.
15 Q4. You’re not gonna run, are you?
16 A. No.
17 Q3. He’s just gonna have to do the old school where it just hangs from ___.
18 Q2. I’ve got it here, man. __ that way in front, so you can ________. Go ahead and put your
19 hands out in front of you.
20 Q3. ___.
21 Q2. In front’s fine.
22 Q3. Back.
23 Q2. Back?
24 Q3. Yeah.
25 Q2. Oh, he’s gonna smoke though.
26 Q3. Yeah.
27 Q2. Okay, to __.
28 Q3. _______.
29 Q2. Oh, I got you. All right. Well, I don’t know how to smoke ____. __ I quit twenty years
30 ago.
31 Q3. We have a super strict policy here that they will hammer us.
32 Q2. I’m with you on that.
33 Q3. For not properly.
34 Q2. That’s why I was asking about the leg irons. Yeah.
35 Q3. Especially now with, uh, the new chief and her new staff.
36 Q2. All right, gotcha.
37 Q3. All right.
38 Q2. Follow this gentleman here.
39 Q3. Good?
40 Q2. You want, uh.
41 Q. You want this in your property or do you want it to go to the cell with you?
42 Q3. Um, it can go into my property, I guess.
43 Q. Property at the jail? Okay, I’ll just.
44 Q3. ___.
45 Q. I just tell ‘em at the jail?
1 Q3. ____.
2 Q2. You got a receipt too? Well, let me fill that out real quick.
3 Q. Oh.
4 Q2. I’ll.
5 Q. Yeah, can you fill it out and bring it out here?
6 Q2. You got it.
7 Q. We gotta smoke.
8 Q2. I’ll leave it out. And I’ll come back.
9 Q3. Do you need a receipt when he has the actual copy of the search warrant?
10 Q2. I’ll just give him a property sheet. It’ll just take two seconds.
11 Q3. Let me get one. Or do you have one?
12 Q2. I got one.
13 Q3. Okay.
14 WITNESS:
15 _________________________________________
16 DET. FLORES #1388
17 TRANSCRIBED BY:
18 D. CORNELIUS, NOVEMBER 20, 2017

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1 LEGEND: Q. DET. FLORES A.

12 Q3. Q4. You want a water or soda or anything?

14 Q3. Q4. What kind?

9 Q. Yeah, your date of birth is , right?

11 Q. Yeah, Christopher Matthew Clements.

16 Q2. That’s fair enough.

26 Q. Have you ever seen her before?

6 Q2. That’s, that’s fair enough.

11 Q. Okay. How long have you lived in Tucson?

13 Q. For awhile? Like, uh, years? Months?

15 Q2. And it’s totally up to you, man.

17 Q. Uh, it’s, it’s.

13 Q2. If you knew her. If you ever.

21 Q2. Just from other people.

7 Q2. Do you, do you __.

11 Q2. Some part of that is true, yeah.

19 Q2. Avra Valley?

31 Q2. Mm hm (yes). You have friends up there or?

2 Q2. Okay. Okay. Fair enough.

9 Q2. Okay. That’s fine.

16 Q. I, I asked your opinion. Yeah, you’re right.

18 Q. And that’s fair.

1 Q. Or were you working, um, the last few years?

3 Q. Where, where were you working at?

12 Q. You don’t have to.

26 Q. Just the first name Maribel?

1 A. …a lot more clarity.

4 Q. You don’t know? Like, relative today. Today is.

21 Q. …time you were in Marana was.

1 A. I know that person. I do not know that person.

6 Q. You’re not being charged with anything. No.

10 Q. Okay. Do you, do you watch the news?

21 Q. So I, I mean it’s a young girl. She’s gonna be on the news so.

3 Q. Okay. Um, what do you remember from the news?

5 Q. Right. And I, I’m not, I wouldn’t expect. I mean I.

4 Q. What about this one?

6 Q. I, I’m, I’m making it pretty clear.

8 Q. This girl was sexually assaulted and murdered. I want to know.

10 Q. No one said, no one said that.

12 Q. N-, we, we haven’t, we haven’t have your DNA on her, no.

14 Q. I don’t know. Like I said, is that something we should look at?

26 Q. What if she’s thirteen years old?

10 Q. Just so I understand, as far as you said you, you had sexual.

19 Q2. I don’t know. I don’t know you. I don’t know of who…

21 Q2. …you talk to…

23 Q2. …who you heard it from.

25 Q2. Sure I would.

6 Q2. I’ve talked to some Tucson Police Department detectives, yeah.

14 Q2. What’s that?

22 Q. I think we’ve been pretty straight up.

24 Q. But I understand. I think what.

34 Q. And, and that’s fine.

23 Q. Mm hm (yes). Yeah, they have.

25 Q2. Are you helping them out with a case?

27 Q2. No, ‘cause they don’t give us too much detail.

36 Q2. A case similar to this one, with a young girl.

5 Q2. Sure. Yeah.

7 Q2. Yeah. ‘Cause of the, they’re girls. They’re younger girls.

11 Q2. They’re young girls, small town.

20 Q2. They’re young girls.

22 Q. Well, she lived pretty close to you.

1 Q2. Why not?

10 Q2. This girl was, yeah.

19 Q2. Okay. Okay.