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So now this does animate Its news about nerds might be on here too

You are nerd.. You are big nerd

Now no news about me yet Ill submit news report about myself

Oh youre cold

mutter

Let me get that paper for you

AXG37255

Thats too fast

Re-size the window Re-size this window Watch it not flash

Oh its not gonna flash

No OK.

That is pretty good

Or arguably thats bad

It didnt blink it didnt blink it did not blink..

Works fine..

Arguably..

Try this

Lets stress-test it

This has some problems with laying out while you are fix
reloading

those yet

But as
you can see the
relay out is much faster

Now if had this re-sizing on the fly it would be little smoother

Oh yeah it does opaque re-size of 132

So lets stress test it little bit Lets load like

big table Tinderbox

The Books Page

Warp

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No no slide all the way back

Warp.. slash Tinderbox

Is this
testing thing

This is the release teams

wanna see when the little layers pop up stole that for my home -- think
page

its very cool

told at M-com and guess.. See its that blocking DNS thing Its sitting

there and waiting for the DNS to come back

Oh good it does that on Mac too

It does not do it on Windows though

On Windows though you have be because stop while

to careful if click its
you

doing that and you open another window you close the first window When the

request eventually comes back or times-out it it tries to clear something in that

window and falls all over itself Pops up little assertion box PR-Assert

Hey its linking

Linking Linking background triumph noises

Twenty minutes later we might have binary love our tool set

Should we just kill this

Kill it

Woe assertion failure

Unless of course it kills itself

Its worked on M-com.com

The captions you can vary

Well cant scroll as you can tell

Cause we havent written the bottom of

anything beyond this
page yet

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Whats the caption

Expletives deleted

Look at all that red

Find me gold star

Heres little
gold star

...broke things

Oh thats good So its broke and nobodys fixed it

yet Thats good

Why did it
go back up the top of the page

Where it is changes

Actually try go click on one of the little

C-tags Go to one where its broken

You must see this content -- the advertiser made us put that in

Its still crashing

advice scurrying Oh its dying in Java script Isnt that sweet

Its your fault Mike

Believe it or not theres function called statement It made sense at the time ok

So this things got badly formed Java script and that of course caused it to crash

If it was our home-page thats plausible cause there is some badly formed Java

script there

Is there way we can reset that

typing laughter Ok youre rolling

Its almost 3-D House of Stewardesses

gasping etc According to you today how the Mac field went what are

your initial impressions of the School of Kodar

Well the initial

impressions are good basically accomplished what came down

here to do You know the mission was to come down here and get the source

code and try to build it on machine that is not theirs You know so youre trying

to get their source code on machine that has never seen before and
it
just see if it

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builds and try to get it to build with as few problems as possible So thats what

we do gave CD put the source code on there ran compiler built it and after

few small fits and starts we were able to it to work

get

Are you member in good standing of the free software world or are member
you

in good standing of commercial organization

No am pretty much commercial organization We are certainly looking at this

for how it can benefit us and our users so no am not free software person

So first impressions are pretty good

Yeah first impressions are good the build process went pretty smoothly the

instructions seemed to be pretty concise Theres couple of small things that we

have to get fixed pretty quickly So overall it went well didnt think Id be out

of here this soon mean thought it was going to be one of those late nights but

it came out pretty well which is always nice

Good Will you take this back with you

Yeah Ill take back with us and well see what we can
it
learn further mean this

is just some building expedition just to see just to make sure that we can get

running program before we went back and now that weve done that the next

phase is to take what weve learned here and just go back and learn more

What are your feelings about the sort of Netscape-Microsoft issue Are you on the

side of Netscape Or does it not matter to you

Well am on the side of the user really mean the end question is does the user

win Does the user get to the software And end

competition to that is good So

dont think it makes much sense to chose side for reasons The end
just religious

result is does the user get better piece of software out of it So thats what think

is most important

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Does the user get.. Under the non-free source scenario do you think that the user

is less better off than if it were Microsoft

If it were proprietary-only Probably mean certainly Any time you have only

one company controlling something as important as an tool

information-gathering

cant be good Whenever

you have an open-software
like this that foundation that

be modified and improved upon by anybody Look

can mean any.. at it this

way once the source is freely available any 16-year-old kid sitting in his
garage

with his home PC can come up with great idea You know thats
historically

where most great softwares have come about people sitting at home on the

tputer and they want something done and it does not already exist and they just

go ahead and invent it You know.. Netscape itself was started that
way Microsoft

as started that
way You know people sitting down having great ideas and just

cranking them out Once you have an open foundation thats what leads to

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Great Thanks it
appreciate

Im gonna go use the restroom

laughs thats on camera now

break

Well got here expecting to you know had no idea what to

actually expect

before
actually got here though maybe there would be like hundreds of rows of

programmers you know like whip slave drivers and stuff But um was pretty

surprised you know it was got here we chatted for while stuck in the CD
got the source and it
compiled It was pretty much as as that
easy

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First Impressions

Of Netscape or of...oh its its different way of looking at it From Im pretty

experience with the free software world and were pretty used to doing things certain

way But the source code laid out in different

Netscape is
way Its very intelligent

way but in different way Um actually tried to build it with lot other different things

than what was required and it ended up working which was very exciting

Joe was talking about for him the free source isnt quite the religious ideal

that it is for other people What is it embody for you

Well its really exciting because this Netscape opening up the source to Mozilla is great

step forward Its opening the door for other companies to consider free sources
dont know its its way to express

yourself umn instead of gaining fame through money or through objects its what you

create You know mean Jamie know Jamie himself everybody knows who JWZ
you

is on the Net you know Hes famous Ive never met him had never met him before

today but knew him and respected him and its really its new way of looking at

things its just new that hasnt existed before

organization

Do you think that this is likely method of development of software in the

future

4If had my way everything would be open development Not everything there are some

has
things that everything place and there are some places where closed development is

OK but open development is such boon to everybody Everybody profits The

originators of the source get bug fixes the long

everybody gets better product in run if

this succeeds and think it will open software is going to become huge Um well see

companies all over the place releasing their source Theyre already starting ID software is

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releasing the source code to their games Urn we have free operating systems like LINUX

and BSD urn having free end user applications like Netscape is whats so crucially

important at this stage urn were rnoving past the hackers and rnoving in to where the

users are actually starting to use things And think its just wonderful if this succeeds

and like said think it will

really

Do you think there are any things at stake for Microsoft

think theyre gonna have to make an about face at some point This is move that

obviously they did not expect Its definitely gonna through wooden shoe into their

gears Um theyre gonna probably have to rethink how theyre doing things because

theyre standard way of competing is to make sornething The Standard you know and

you dont use it unless its The Standard And making this
open everybody can have it

you know And even before it was open everybody pretty much had it because you

know it was good it worked But its its think actually Microsoft is good thing to

have the competition for Netscape to spur it

on to create something new Urn and it

works in the reverse way This is gonna go back and froth and back and forth and
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everybodys gonna strive to do something better and better and in the long run its gonna

be great

Thank you

Thanks L\
Iheres any set of problerns the panels are messed But for the
basically up

most past it
compiles what have you but it doesnt seems to be somewhere
run it
crashing

in some of their programs would think its

personally great that its freeware but don

know about the Microsoft vs think that will

Netscape thing Personally ifi take off

because its already part of the OS so why do they need Netscape Its kind of tough

call
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Sure Theres obviously range of opinions about Microsoft Theres also

an argument on its behalf Obviously people wouldnt have supported it

with their commerce up to this point if they did not think it was

fundamentally valuable Do you think its legitimate argument that

Microsoft is an unregulated monopoly or is it the nature of

Oh monopoly know so Well dont know have nothing to do with this

company

yeah think that but the

Actually really they really are monopoly thing is that they are

giving out so much money and so forth so lot of people look away And its like turn the

other cheek Its like well theyre putting all this

money to this well thats ok as long as

they are putting all this

money into the economy The government says ok youre ok But

when try to you the OS one thy for thousand dollars then
sell
youll see someone having

problems with it But totally agree its monopoly Personally think LINUX one day

should be OS or something to do with like some sort of Java derivative where you only

write the AP once and then run one on whatever platform you want And Microsoft is

out of that picture but doubt that ever happen think much money and
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way too too

many resources to be that so..

Do you think the right wants run in everywhere goal can be reality or is it

the nature of software computers and semi-conductors in the limits and the

varieties inherent in all of them that that will be an unlikely achievement

Ooh well its doable to actually just run but speed-wise youll always get something

really fast with an OS in it its like using assembly or what have you or just straight

C-code it
says that.. Personally think the future is to get like lets say ajob of

Compolit into the guess the code and then ship out that The
assembly it
way big thing for

developers personally seized at but run as fast as possible on the native

right once

computer Anyway so thats my two cents on that

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No its interesting --

Lets see-- about four and half months five now And Junes
years my fifth year out

guess

In the Internet

Shoot wrote for of years and also wrote.. worked on the business
games couple just

side of stuff some database programming Now work in.

try to do applications that have

to use the browsers and so forth and like IE and Netscape use different things Like IE

likes using automation objects and Netscape likes using DDE dont know if youre

familiar with that stuff So have to write all that different code and so forth

Are they meaningful differences

They are not that but its kind of interesting would add
meaningful Like Microsoft the

use of different Its like well well

things you have to look at these registry entries for this

and this and Netscape doesnt do it

right Im going well thats cause you wrote this after
L/

Netsape did theirs whatever Im pretty cynical about how its set up All know is that

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program for it and hope the user likes it Thats it

Do you think that consumer has real reason to care about who ultimately

wins this battle Or has the consumer been so well served by the computer

industry in general given the decline in for

prices almost everything..

It depends on what Microsoft does with it think If the OS you know new one

doesnt cost much more or costs exactly the then would be ok But
same it if they started

charging hundred dollars more its like well that free actually costs you an extra hundred

dollars or an extra fifty dollars whatever and that where usersll get hit No matter what

theyll get hit somewhere and its like using the Netscape model think would be very

very useful

Right Well the Netscape model is the open-computing model Its along

the same lines as SUN and..

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Yeah am definitely for Java but not how its supplemented currently

appreciate it

Ok thanks much

Here you go thats fine

from crew Just for kicks why dont you just name and it
say your spell

Ok Thanh Lim -- T-H-A-N- L-I-M

have question for

you

Yeah

So these guys are signing .. keep the CD and can they distribute the binaries..

From the stuff that they made today No

Wasnt sure

Because hasnt been cleared with securities

keep the two weeks
it
They can Thats

howl get to CDs wanna give them new CDs with the official selection

Do you want my suggestion They comment so that

pretty extensively they could

move their coat pretty easily over to their resource They might buy into that

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Hows it
going It all builds Its amazing the Mac you have

You know the Mac.. The only hard part with the Mac is the system configuration

theres of tools and theres some catches

lot that
you have to.. Once you get that you get

all the configuration you are actually home-free The Macs built system in and of itself

is very good

It worked It built And we launched and the product came but we crashed

pretty quickly

We have the right hand motif and we just installed those so we built that on Friday

It runs like champ Its good

C-Note but thats lot of money for just hacker The downstairs
guy just is

starving 18-year-old kid You should see the machine hes running -- we have fan

plugged in to the power-supply

Where the hell is Michael

Speakerphone announces arrival of Michael Allright get over here

inaudible

TH Well heres the thing we initially tried to build

And you guys.. need to look at what you are doing Because built it on last

week

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TH Theres lot of trauma currently with the next system Were missing some

pieces We are not quite sure what they are yet and its just big mess .. all

over the place Weve been having some bad problems in the interaction between

the Miscounting system and the Finding system There is like steps that

were missing somewhere in there that prevented us from going from building

through to the end of the system

We are not providing you guys tools mean its not the S-tools problem Its not

one of the surfaces/syntheses

TH It builds in links right like the cosmos

It just doesnt run

TH Doesnt run thought it was VC5O problem but now we didnt.. dont know if

he might We reinstalled 4.2 and we were still having problems

But money

TH Building we kind of had to hack bunch of stuff And for the 5-0 stuff we had to

attack the big

Mercy beg you mercy was totally dialed on e-mail Sorry

We are gonna supposedly discuss and clear build-team machine or

staffing

something useful like that

What discussion was going on that missed the start of

Beta

TH They were asking about the Beta

So were ok except for Windows or including Windows

TH Except for Windows.. We stripped the release system to be installed We went

with 5-0 first and that turned out to be mistake for

any number of reasons of

which..

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Bob Yes

TH So dont know whats going on

Thats why am going to look at it because obviously something got skipped

along the way

TH But Mac and LINUX both run very well

What about the pleasedness of the individuals who are doing it on their time

TH Oh our LINUX guy is so stoked its not even funny

Yeah what about the Mac guy

Til Mac guy he was starting to little traumatized because of the amount
get initially just

of work that
you have to do to set up and what he is concerned about is he had

Mac he had Mike Fingerton standing over his shoulder looking at him setting

it
up and that made it lot easier So we may run into some problems with people

who dont have you know that the over-the-shoulder

resource guy

Yeah we cant exactly ship pink our weight every FTP site Will cloning and

were there

Thats why Chicago is

gonna save us

TH But once it was setup worked like champ Optimize de-bug runs great looks

nice

And now he wants to know can take it home with me Can get copy of the

Windows stuff to try tonight Yeah hes pretty excited about it

You can take it home for two weeks

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