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Right
productions
havent gotten any mean sent that mail back to the group got
All right who are the main naysayers now that dont like the
right way
J.G
OK those two you you thats right youre one of the two You and
or not
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care if
they have some expert opinion on CBS But not necessarily
for the of
purpose
being ...
Right OK
Ill do that
OK Thatd be great
More
Well there was one part of the argument which is that possession is
Rhapsody board is
living with us in on branch and then
repository
OK
speculate that doesnt mean there will be zero branches for the entire
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life of this tree itll mean they will be few they will all have reason
OK
Yes no Well harsh this out We did this can zip right though this
Maggies going to make sure with Roseanne but basically shes cool
When first
brought it
up with her she was she had the standard PR
person Oh you know we need release and got her off of that
too so basically
you want You
staff is to prepare
if that go for it
gotta
here because you know there are only four of us who are actually
Thats right
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Like now they have license issues that are getting in their way But the
unlimited localization folks who want to put out localization kits for
4.0.4 urn wanted to put them on Mozilla.org on the FTP site that we
have That we dont have yet that was that they wanted to be up they
told me two weeks ago they would like it to have been up by today
Right
Sven doesnt work for his web site now hes not in IS
He said that is
part of the web site
OK
He committed ..
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the CBS repository for the source those are the two we need like
probably talk to Mosedale about this when its stuff thats relevant and
needs to go out blah blah blah Were going to have some we talked
about this Were going to have some place for people to put stuff
Yeah
OK
because its all documentation and hes in the process of figuring out
what the hierarchy should look like for the documentation area on
Mozilla.org
well yeah thats already done right Thats the menu down the left
side
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Yeah
Cool
All right
Mozilla
org under CBS control
Yes
So it will be
It is
like the Rhapsody folks are going to have their own pages that they
update whenever they like but they cant like work the rest of the site
right now but that doesnt but dont know what that means
Hes asking if
anyone else is going to change it on Mozilla.org and if
Oh Um if we
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...two trees..
Yeah if
you want to be the
person
whos responsible for all edits to that
Working on what
going to give me hes going to you know make pile of stuff and
parts of that
Shaver sent out instructions to people on how to modify the web site
dont think
anyone but me and Shaver here which do you
people
Um they have they havent put pushed anything back but they have
checked it out it is
working for them
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OK.
Are there holes in the firewalls so that we can get through to the
Well it works
Yeah
OK
Yeah
OK
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the bug system about right after this meeting were going to have
meeting about the bug system and guess the main reason Im bringing
it
up here is cause dont know how many people told And thats
Terrys going to be there and dont know how many of the rest of you
Everybodys to be there
going
OK Fine We can do that then then Theyre coming into this room
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useful to start now we could all like chime in the things we think are
list are
like for purposes of what Im talking about like this much of this is
docs
Yeah mean theres theres the thing is that Im not sure off the top
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of my head can rattle off the things on that list that really need to be
done..
dont care want to get started and then Ill create it and then you
guys can toss things at me any old time And Im going to start talking
about them on an ongoing basis OK mean you may think this is the
wrong form but were going to end up doing this anyway All right
machines
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...client
eng to work
thought we started..
Im sorry but thats part of we have big resource over there and if
agree with that just dont Im just not sure the responsibility for
deciding how they want to do their work lies in this room think it
lies in that
building The most important we can do is make sure
thing
There are questions that are in that that that we need to settle so
that they can figure out how theyre going to get their work done OK
So Ill
said .. questions
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Seriously
Its cultural issue all the cultures got to be in place so that people
Yes Im sorry David but you dont get this man culture theres
bun when you get large group of programmers together you dont
What you do is
you is
you its painstaking what youve got to go
and youve gOit6iet them know what the rules are You got to let
them know what theyre responsible for Youve got to let them know
what theyre accountable for These are the rules about how you get
stuff done And you keep you keep putting this off like its not
That is such dramatic misuse of the word culture that dont even
Culture lau
Unless evenjone sp
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Which includes getting lot in and stuff It also includes getting the
technology spread out need to talk to you about need to talk to you
about think
company sent you mail this morning on it
OK...pause Well you guys are just like mouthin off all over
we get covered have my own list and dont know why theyre
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coming to my head either Oh gosh Um we have to b6t 111c-Cio
do you have things in your mind about um...I dont want to read
Look Mozilla just dominates your attitude right now and this is
your..
Do you have some other things that you know were going to need to
get done that youre just prioritizing below that but you know were
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Theres
Do we
happen by 3/31
Not until we actually have the mean not until those are all again
mean Im writing down need bug system cant use bug system
should erase this No We still need to deal with this And just
Its more important lets say what change has happened between this
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point in time and that point in time Just general mechanism Thats
...write that down Why do we need to do that given that were giving
Its neat tool but that can run locally Right Cant it
We have to get neat tool it would be really good to have out there
and the way the tool works data as and its not easy
it gathers its it
goes
to make
you want
it for the data in track
go retroactively so if to
No havent
of the CBS question And how were going to do that And so part of
Whos mirroring
people willing to be mirror sites except theyre all still tentative at this
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was going to look at the actually was going to talk to Noah and
read-only CBS mirrors and how to do it and if not was going to post
Right OK
And we know we can guess how big they are and we can do we can
tell them they will or will not need password dont understand why
they would need password urn and we can allow for FTP push if we
willing to let us push what Id like somebody to say is yeah Ill just
Yeah
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anyway
...another thing that does have to be done by 3/31 what were going to
Good
defined by
OK so this is
interesting
OK
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propose that we do
OK
CD-ROM
So the guy-
the guy who urn who did the Apache SSL port
M-hrn
Crypto-zilla.org
Yeah Yeah Urn basically...the narne was rny idea of course sat him
down and said Register this dornain and he said Thats great
Jlttbasically you know theres the Apache folks and then what this
guy does is he takes their releases and he puts crypto in them And
hes in the UK
Yeah thats his name And uh so he wants to do the same thing here
OK sure But the thing is if were also in the business of like mean
was thinking that Mozilla.org was did not touch crypto ever no how
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And that would just like all be his game But like if were doing crypto
too mean
Wouldnt it be
hard
Why is it hard
Look lets be realists here If we put the source up for dont know
Stop stop stop stop stop Im asking very real question Im not trying
Yes
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...So for you guys you know Horowitz wanted to maybe not do that
OK Well
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three..
directory
OK
OK
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Do you have second There are couple of macro issues and then couple
of more focused ones The macro is how to bring together client aad-the
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people in the server group who are going to be responsible for shipping out
share some components an SPR in this case And when youre in the
middle like an SPR is they want to set the rules with which can
up they
operate and make deliverables into the other organizations And so its
always been an issue and so what we saw today was well had we we
have process that works for client to get their stuff in free source
up
and Allan and Tom brought in their in their they want to see how
Just tell us what are the sort of pressure points now as we get closer to 3/31
what are you feeling what are the main concerns have
you
have is everybody pushing towards goal of getting the free source out
done in this new world And urn its very hard because where they
checked their code into before the rules well Toms group
actually our
group Mozilla.org would like the rules to be different right And if the
process isnt in place for them to get their work done then it becomes
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could have some serious idle time if were not careful So thats what Im
focusing on
yeah this is the way we need to go and go ahead and push ahead so the
things that are undecided really need to be decided soon and then urn
theres lot of work to be done to actually make it clear Are there any
other issues
dont want to slow you down...I know you have to be in that meeting...well
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