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TH Because somebody at Netscape sent him hate mail saying Stop spamming me

DM Its just kind of interesting you show up at work in the morning and theres

regarding exp exp exp exp exp You know work is it

just never gets better than that

JZ It happens to me every day laughter

sound bleeps

TH Yeah but youre not whippin it because you break thing with the whip

MT OK of the researched 30 people that was assigned to them maybe ten people are

here

Ive represented six

Lets put down list and then well figure out how much of cow have

Ah Eric Bly about page images

dont know get that free

What the hell is this

You type the Youre all about colon Saywell bug And the Saywell bug is

compiled in the source bug That cant shift

indistinguishable

What book is that

109386 Yeah there should be one for platform

109386

That needs to be replicated to...

This just got reassigned to Garrett from who

Toy

Oh..

Yeah Still replicate the book to McEvy and to..

can do that

think that might already be done She is all over this

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This is the only thing shes doing

which Scott Collins on one

No shes actually doing another thing is backing up

of his bugs that he has

OK lets just make this ok On 109386 were gonna have to create MAC bug

when do we closed
and an bug and think all of these are gonna be

Ah Im pretty sure that the MAC bug could get closed by the end of the day

dont know about the bug Id have to talk to McEvy

think it
might be done already

Really

of the..
Yeah saw some dips where they were taking out like some

Yeah he might have done it

already

gonna be closed by tomorrow on

dont ----These both are the project
expect

On the project right Urn ok

Were gonna be able to find them again once weve moved them

Theyre in the repository somewhere right

Somewhere yeah Theyre in the haystack

Why dont you and get together on this one

Ok theyre gonna be within that ascribe right

Right

You gonna do this after this meeting

Ok so this is ETA 48 hours

Right

Ok Cathy 10944

indistinguishable

Yeah ETA 24 hours all right uh green arnold ms config meets station 67

done

Oh thank god its not63%

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Dont make me go there

Dont start with her You know Brian Ok so 109470 that one and then the other

one 109242 Both of those hes doing simultaneously and we expect to have

them done by tonight just talked to him

109470

And 109242 Should be done by tomorrow meeting

Ok you need to huddle with me and..

Ah Chris Sidle is not here Hes had duly appointed represented Hes on the list

of evil

Oh good like it when Chris is on the list of evil

We can also downgrade Cathy Bradys to .3 if we want

Just before the

group hug you have to have huddle

Right will downgrade that bug Cathys bug 233

Ok that one just got downgraded not gonna do Cathy Danny and Rich

..should not contain Netscape under software

Do we really care about that

Um when you install the free client it mucks up your registry It says that some

Netscape stuff that has fallen in your machine Thats probably not good

This is like significant significant change across the board for stuff like installer

Werenotgonnagivetheinstalleraway Yi1
Were not giving the installer away

Why Whats the install

gonna do with this much when its resourceful Are we

going to just totally change it

Just builds back at Netscape when

What its not gonna do is its not gonna phase Netscape installation thats

already out there Cause you build free source right

----s Navigator doesnt kill Netscapes navigator

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Do we have bug lock in against the name on the MAC.

Time out Don Can you remember that while we finish this one

Yes

All right

So if we change the registry settings that means that if

you you wont be able to

interact with different versions as far as registry information and the different
easily

flavors of Navigator that are out there So if you have Joe Blows ISP version

and then you install the Netscape less version the Netscape less version will know

nothing about you

Well we can make our installers smarter

No its the Mozilla version were talking about

Well or we can invent some new registry thing that says Heres where all the

Mozilla browsers register themselves right And the Netscape browser registers

itself there also But that would be like engineering

Yeah But temporarily so we dont force..

The person actually understand anything about the implications of that would

probably be uh Garrett maybe

Ok we can change the name easily and have two issues One is it Mozilla or

Navigator that were going to be calling this And two urn eventually the installer

will be the one who has to do the encoding because theyre the ones that are gonna

have to upgrade the

keys or move.j

And in fact it will be broken until we get the installers rnoving

All right somebody needs to be the duly elected representative and make

decision

see St/youre saying that ok...the registry key so the registry key under

says Mozitla
software could live with that The exfutable was..

Ok can we have this tied together here

fbi t62-c
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Im sorry

Are the executable name and the registry key tied together

No- .. //

All right now the question is how much of this do we have to solve by Friday

Well the easy part is the easy part is just changing what the binary things about

the registry That parts simple As far as how were gonna interact..

Yo later

Isnt this PC.. mean couldnt we ship

what theyre calling mean even if it

didnt..

Well thought the goal was to have all occurrences of the word Netscape out

No Thats no goal Thats not goal

The goal is to get Netscape trademark stuff out of the user space in the built thing

So the real question guess is is that is it

wrong for Mozilla to read Netscape

Navigator preferences And thats probably ok right

Yeah but that would be Mozilla choice when it starts out some random Mozilla

drive browser Whoever writes that portion of the browser could decide how ---we

want to be with n-branded browsers

Ok if thats ok then why are we changing anything at all Ct

Installing non-Netscape browsers like by the end of April

Probably not..

Maybe we dont have to solve this thing by.. Then the registry doesnt do much

any more

Ok requisition report..

Leave it alone

To hell with it

Later

Are we doing this by marking them later or are we .IS

doing by..

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You know the last time checked you were in charge CIt-i ..-

Im in charge Im in charge Ok latered it

All right

All right next one XFE needs to rename the Mozilla were latering that one

L\ Ok now Dan Vedits Appoint representative

Yes its me This is the conversation we had yesterday Hes finishing up

sanitizing indistinguishable ...and he says hell be done real soon now too

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And how come theres two bugs saying sanitize with Rich

have no idea where that second bug came from will that
go investigate

Ok You will make one of them

go away

will make one of them

go away

Ok Shaw Theres no gel people in this room

r-t i5

Its that hed done like part of the work and it was real swell job it
was

bangup job It was little bit more complicated than it needed to be And.

At some dont how good he is Hes

point care either gonna do the work or

not gonna And if hes not gonna do the work we need to find someone to do the

work
IC
Ive
L-
got his file Ill check the ..

indistinguishable conversation

Jeff Jeffs got of his changes in was and

...- all It beautiful check-in want

to emulate it Here am make

everyone now in the midst of scrambling to all of

the bill to turn the switch

necessary changes

Yeah see that as one of the remaining bugs

Right So he opened that against us and have lots of people

scrambling on it

Were not quite sure how long its gonna take yet because were still to
trying get

of the of it shouldnt
drop scope It take more than day or two To get it all done

and tested

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to ...without security
thats one of them Thats the make all changes
Okay
those
You dont know anything about
Weve also Corcomp and urn LeMessage

the sanitization Im not sure why that was under Jeff It probably
Corcomp does

under.. well dont know Ill check that down

should be

yesterday He
minute thought we were gonna close the LeMessage
Wait

doesnt have to sanitze that one right

The message isnt going period

Its dead Its dead snake

As far as know that bug got closed right

Cab still has an open bug saying LeMessage

that last night Why in the hell is this still open

sent you guys message

Hello We didnt read your message We ignored you

Well apparentiy

to want to die
time hear that this is brought up it does not seem appear
Every

Right

No no no Let us kill this snake this instant

is
its not going out of the building LeMessage first absolutely
But lets be sure

not going out of the building

Wait well then close the.

were on is

Right now its 331 Were not shipping.. the project working target

331

Yesterday heard it said that they are

Dave 20 minutes Its not going out of the building

just talked to ago

we later the bug right But we say

All Then we close the bug or rather
right

off the list

wont fix something but it
gets

that
Those two now whos gonna
do

about this
needs let Jeff know that he doesnt have to worry
Well somebody to

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that source to go
take to message
the bug What does it get
lean do that by latering

out of the building

new access codes

and remove all of the
has to go in
Somebody
takes to get
And just
the same stuff it

scrubbing
...And also do the security

else out of the building

everything

answer about what

can tell straight
has actually given as far as
Well no one

make it able to go out

LivMessage to
needs to be done to
work actually

did that
Anything. .Terry

of his butt
that number out
10 days Terry pulled
Terry said

me later But were

closed We can talk you can yell at

Im sorry
This issue is

to start
Its better
yell at us for this
on with life Theyre gonna
just getting

this dead horse

do about that than to beat
worrying about what were gonna

Well eventually they---- J.

what the deal is

were gonna have to do is to tell people

of of what
Yes Part part

in All right L-Tab

stuff that we said we would be shipping
with this LivMessage

Were talk about. .What7

gonna
L-Tab still has the How to Handle Development

know what were doing I.

deal with that

Well we could P3 it Anyway youll

Yeah

files copyright
And then only interesting get

was Jeff Weinstein

That last call

Jeff

we it covered
Ijust want to make sure get

/.c
thoEt7lm not gonna do that
have to file
Ok someone is gonna

Ill file the goddamn..tJ

Takeiteasy

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indistinguishable

complicate this
Nonono...dOflt

was file where we used to build

had this one where there this
All right All right

of the Xnavigator the Xnavigator that came from mM

the uh some part

issue here
Well think we got
third party

Todd Goldman Is that whos calling up IBM

All right so were handing off to

IBM is concerned
Uh Todd is the most --- as far as

not care about this

only affects ---- so we can totally
Ok this realistically

We can delete the file

And were moving along

So this is P3 or something

mail And thats under the XID Directory

We distribute the source to new route

think the fact that

and so always can take guess
but its stand alone program

stand alone programs makes it ok

these are

issue
Oh thats not taint

Oh ok

is not gonna contain our--

This is if this file the file guess
just

Correct

we should ship it with their license

The answer is

Right

reason otherwise..
think thats mean unless theres compelling
mean

know what do about this bug so.

Uh Im dont
the to
getting

Ok.

Lets move on Paul Chan Moss Medium

Thats why hes not in here

Hes working on it
right now

ETA
sometime tomorrow cause theres big hairy
ETA.. think the soonest is

complicated problem on the MAC

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WhatwrorlwWIth it

Hac4-ie4ium

hat and put on

Ok now take off your Ihope-an-engineer-gets-done-really-faSt

when-is-it- really-gonna-be-done hat And now.

your

think its sometime tomorrow

Ok All We dont need to remove every occurrence of the word Netscape

right

from our source code

Thatll take too long

Right Dave and hes got Cathy as backup

Ok And this tool front end thing Isnt that P3

No Its currently....everyone talks

It is checked in He hasnt checked in the changes to the build system- Thats why

he left this meeting To go and do that

me and then he wanna look

And the last thing was he gave the bug back to said

at your files again Ah as soon as get that then think just close this bug

cause the answer was key ignore it You did the right thing

Ok All right Alan Its your turn

Great Urn

So we never got an answer back from Mitchell about the dot copyright

Right Not unless it came in the last couple hours

So the uh with the copyright

...own the copyright.. mean we still own the copyright but we give people

rights to reproduce and distribute our docs So were providing extra rights That

was my question can we do this and havent heard back so..

We can always produce the documentation under more restrictive copyrighting and

make it less restrictive later

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Yes Exactly Thats what it seems to me

Lets do that

Ok great Now for the other docs theyre all P3s right

Oh urn when you close your bug this bug here about meet the doc copyright

can you put the text of your more restrictive copyright just above because there are

other people who want to know...

Dial ups going

Some small amount of dial up source is out

going

It does not have to be buildable That is not goal

Right

And it wouldnt build under the m--- anyway

All right

You dont care

Its gone

The livMessage MSC code oh we decided we dont care about that And so that

became later

Right all the

LivMessage bugs just became later

Indistinguishable dialog

Well get presource first and commercial second Were still

trying to make the

presource tree be real Right Right now everybodys scrambling to get the

security stuff turned off So that the b-source is It

actually closer to

Right All right Im gonna P3ize bunch of them all at once All right hem we

go Dont ship old dia-- trees

Bingo

Ztf

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Its P3 Number of direct cannot be shipped as P3 Ah for license on

jv waiting

neuron data P3 Waiting for license on QA part P3 Waiting for lets see

license on home circle is P3 Remove dis---castanet P3 xb

is
Waiting license on

hacked up is P3 Uh

What do we need license for that for

Uh its copied from book from some book

Dragon book thing

Were just waiting for the actual signed of paper

piece

Oh ok

Cause David already e-mail back from that

got

Right we just decided we needed

P3 Cathy Bradys is P3 Uh...Vicart source ---lets P3 And

things

ok.We want all of those to go to P3

Theyll worry about all that on Friday Its not important between now and

Friday

And the magic number is.. 38

clapping

Thats good

Were getting closer

Ok almost zorro.

Ok will go bug Chris Slido and Michael La Guardia You will catch up with the

jp people
will catch
go up with the jump people

And John you arc catch

going to
up with Jim and apprehend who are evil

All
right Escape this room but all be back here 230 for Ti
Lloyds

LO.C
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Whats up with Java because it affects everybody else whats the ETA for when

this stuff is gonna hit the tree and carpool is because we

gonna happen got lot

of people who are just ready.

My best
guess is it wont be until Thats
ready tonight my best guess

Ok tonight can we order oclock

Im gonna go find out would be to bet not before

willing that

Ok do we think that when they go in is is Gordo gonna be up all the

night saving

MAC build or are we just the MAC

breaking build for one day

The last thing heard was MAC

that the was not our worst problem that Windows

was our worst problem

Youre kidding

indis dialog

Well theres gonna be some number us

large of My whole team was here last

night for security and whole team

my will be here tonight

All right

Ah thats good news Chocolate is All right

necessary gotta find Joy.

Why is chocolate necessary

For late night chocolate and tequila for you know oclock.

have whole drawer full of chocolate bugs

Its not the same as Kitkat bar

No but it has its own special charm

Thats true

All need
right to find Garrett Oh evil evil

Evil people

indistinguishable dialog- all talking at once

Splotch screen Chris and thats about it.. only its not communicator

Yeah but Im saying its navi$ator

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Its not communicator its navigator

The stuffs
composer gonna be in there

Well what are we gonna call it Uh..

What do you wan to call it

Ok ok duly noted

mean can say hey.

Close that bug Close that bug Close that bug

Ok

So you have one be closed

just it will
today You are removed from the list of

evil

Ok Thank you Whats on at 230

Lloyd is gonna explain to everybody how we actually sign off on files that are

Do need to be here

Uh probably not

Ok thank you

Im off the evil list

Youre off the evil list It doesnt mean youre not evil but youre not listed
just

Oh good like being evil

Rang on like that idea Do you have idea of someone who would
any actually

care about this

Well if there is nobody who cares about this would be

it
waste of Terrys time to

do this too

Urn well its certainly not true that theres no one who cares about it but it
might

be that theres not anyone who we know of today who cares about it

Right

Its different
thing

But Mozilla o-tThtig would be in position to find out

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Ok ok Ill trade
you that

Mozilla Æeus cant say something about the

message source

Yeah mean the other

thing mean if you really cant spend any more time on

this then then you know take the hour or like whatever it
takes to like give

Shaver braindom and we can him

get to do it

will see what can figure out and

mean it
might be that know
you you dont actually have anything specific to

say which ----Scott---in which case he can do as well as you

probably it
anyway

Right Ill
go look and see

Also dont know do Ijust need to talk to Jeff to find out what the deal is with

like multipart sign and stuff like that

Yeah Jeff the best

probably repository in answer to that could tell
you

something but it would..

Were rolling right

Were rolling yes

Were not
experiencing ground

No the numbers are down numbers

going the are going down Progress is

happening at rate which is not so slow that feel completely doomed but not so

fast that feel like were definitely gonna succeed

Which is always the case..

Traction we still have traction It still looks like the the wheels are and
spinning

the truck is moving

As opposed to the wheels are spinning and the truck is..

...and we know where the end is

And we know where the end is

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Well mean were gonna be whole new world of doom when the most

important thing stops being the bug list and the most important thing starts being

the hostage list Right

Well go from feeling victorious to feeling completely..

Ill make prediction but think well see the hostage list think what were

gonna do is just get whole level..

What about tonight Wheres my quarter

Whats next

Ok my thing is that Thursday at oclock the bug list will be small the
hostage

list will be in the thousands the

unsigned files will be in the thousands

Thousands

Thousands

will bet its less than thousand by Thursday

By Thursday..

Quarters quarters pony up the dough

Ok what are we betting mean Im doomed if Im right but..

Right dozen donuts Lloyd

dozen donuts

9-
dozen donuts

dozen week Because...

.in half hour.. oh the loser.. really bad donuts

One time bring dozen donuts..

On Friday

Not Friday

ftf WThy3
--

4.. Well Im not here on Friday

7-
The following Monday
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Ah that was anticlimactic

The bet is... one thousand.

Donuts Give me break

Th

Ti
Write it don What couple of geeks

By Thursday Then get..

.y///

Well we had to work really hard to get him to do that

Michael tell us the bet where Ann Dreeson wore Spandex and ate tofu

Well with this bet it

was If you guys pull this off Ill wear Spandex eat tofu

and roller-skate because that was like the all the horrible things that
quintessential

Californians did cause they all came from the Midwest

Except except pull this off was quantified It was like you know ship 1.0 before

December or something like that

Right

You guys did it

Yeah and then some time later at some ofthand Piquin and got them to do it

And the tall blond guy was goofier looking than you

wondered where that came from

He just looked so uncomfortable doing it that that mean you kinda felt
sorry

him

Youre just playing you guys Dont make me feel guilty Come on

still there

tink..
Im sure its still there

Is it

Nothing on the Web ever does

No no because it died in the CBS tree removal thing

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Did it

search thing
lets just go to whats the
Well ok well

Compass

bits on that page

There were some funny

we go Whoops cant type

Yeah this is not working at all Oh here

Library data that shows up on bug splat..

Whos daddy
friend and foe And then the bottom says your
It says daddy

was really funny That was good

Which is great thought it

one was going

censored so that the stuff that put in the bug splat
..actually

through the magazine on the airplane

somewhere on plane and was looking

that will be like picture

You know those like motivational placards you can get

divided
like success triumph
is
and will be
off into the sunset it
of an eagle staring

this in
took the magazine and was gonna scan
by or whatever And urn so

wait Ill bet these

But then was like wait
because thought they were funny

Web Sure enough they do So went to their

sell these things over the
people

quip so sometimes
it

like put these litOe tables in the bug splat

Web page and

next to it and have like the little

would the image with this enonnous text

pull up

someone so much that they went and

The offended
motivational saying pamphlets

took it out of the

and Well all these HR

understand that it was ajoke they thought
They didnt

to motivate us
people are trying

Im telling you ironys dead

odd thats odd

Yeah thats pretty pretty

No the old work stuff is gone

Uumble- all talking at once

another techniqu
like humiliation is
Here especially mean... you know just

-c
as an engineer here
you use

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can kinda see someone not getting that joke though You know after

mcomm.bad attitude turned into f/

mcomm.hysmirky

Did you see the new today

Yeah

Mcomm.good attitude

c4

a4r/ JZc
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