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STATEMENT OF MARGARIT1FLORES -JUNE 4, 2009
I. Introduction
lvfy name is ivfargariio Fiores. I have testiped before this grand jury on a of
prior occasions. I am giving this statement freelyfd voluntarily, pursuant to proth:r letters
with the United States Attorney's Offices for t e Eastern District of Wisconsin and the
Northern District of Illinois. I have read this st tement carefully and have been given an
opportunity to go over it with my attorney and t make changes. This statement is just a
summary and does not contain every detail I about the drug trafficking activities
in which I have participated. If asked additional tuestions, I could provide more detail. As
with my previous statements and as I will discu s in greater detail later in this statement,
although no promises have been made to me rega ding my cooperation or the sentence I will
ultimately receive, I am cooperating with the gov rnment in the hope of receiving a reduced
sentence in a federal case where I have been indlcted on federal narcotics charges.
As I have testified previously, since apploximately 1998, my twin brother, Pedro
Flores (who I will generally refer to in this tatement as "Pedro"), and I have been
cocaine in Chicago. By
approximately 1999, Pedro and I had expande our business and were selling wholesale
quantities of cocaine to a large customer base hroughout Chicago. From approximately
2000 through 2008, we steadily increased the vdlume of our business, which I will describe
later in detail. From 2006 through 2008, we wle coordinating, at its peak, the distribution
in Chicago to our customer base of approxima ly 1500 to 2000 kilograms of cocaine per
month. From approximately 2000 to 2007, ur Mexican sources of supply primarily
delivered cocaine to us in Chicago. Beginning i approximately late 2006, we expanded our
business and began also receiving cocaine in Mhico and Los Angeles. When we received
cocaine in place; other than Chic;go, this cocainf was generally in tractor trailers
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with hidden compartments, or "traps," located inEe roof. These same trap compartments
were used to transport money from the sale of e cocaine. In addition to these tractor
trailers, we also used freight trains to transport ocaine. Although we had customers in
several cities. most of the time the cocaine that P dro and I distributed in the United States
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money was correct. For drugs that we received in Mexico, we generally made money
deposits in Mexico. Regardless of where we deposited the money, from my conversations
with our sources of supply, I am aware that the. was ultimately transported to our
Mexica..11 sources of supply. ! understood that all the money deposited to our sources of
supply that was collected from our customers and to .M:exico was provided to our
sources of supply in order to perpetuate our drug rraJmcKmlg
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2. Unknown ("Alfredo" a n d -
In approximately 2005, I met a man I know as "Alfredo." I do not know
Alfredo's last name. I was introduced to AI by my brother Pedro. My brother had
already known him for several months. The time that I met him was in a hospital in
Guada!aj ara, Vlhile Alfredo was recovering from · c surgery. Alfredo told me that hew as
a lifelong friend ofChapo's and that he is Chapo s son Alfredo's godfather. I understood
from conversations with Alfredo that he Chapa with some of Chapa's logistical
matters. On behalf of Chapa, on certain occas Alfredo organized the transportation of
cocaine from Colombia to Mexico in involved in the transportation of cocaine
from Colombia to in submruines and
used to evade law enforcement and the miiitary moving cocaine across the open
and facilitated the transportation of cocaine in
Shortly after I met Alfredo, I also met his wife - I believe that - 's
name is the same as Alfredo's, however, I do know what it is. I have been shown #6,
which is a photograph of - ·- worked with her husband in transporting
both cocaine and cocaine proceeds. Together wi - Alfredo handled the logistics of
transporting large shipments of bulk from drug proceeds, including the
transportation of payments made to Chapo by his and payments made by Chapo
to his sources of supply. In addition, Alfredo - exchanged money from the
currency of one nation to another.
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In late 2006 or early 2007, Pedro and I "'"'1-t• .., r i into an agreement with Alfredo and
his wife - to establish a series of companies would allow us to more easily move
cocaine throughout the United States. At this Pedro and I were moving almost all of
tl}e. cocaine that we distributed in semi -trucks and with trap compartments in the roof
\Vhile this system worked very well for us, we to have a back-up plan or insurance
policy to supplement the trucks. Alfredo had ly told Pedro and I that he was
involved with a train company in the 1990's, as as early 2000's, with a person that I
knew as - . Due to Alfredo's prior in dealing with the trains, Pedro and
I thought that he would be a good person to regarding our idea to branch out into
train transportation. Pedro and I decided to invest $600,000 with Alfredo and
to set up an importing business and a company. We understood that the
companies would be legitimate and would import and sell goods; however; the real
purpose for these companies was to serve as a that would allow us to transport cocaine
by train.
Pedro and I told Alfredo that we were to invest money and wished to use the
to be responsible for running the
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a furniture importation company. We
agreed that, in addition to providing the $600,000 start up money, t.l:tat we would also pay
Alfredo and - a fee each time we used the · . On average, we paid Alfredo and
- approximately $1000 per kilogram of e that we moved by train. While Pedro
and I did not participate directly in making deci for the businesses, Alfredo and -
would occasionally ask us for our advi.c e and let us know what on with the
companies. After the was started we ed that Alfredo and - had hired a
man they referred to as Pedro and I knew three brothers who participated
in setting up the companies. was - · While I met all three
brothers at one point, I I have been shown Exhibit #7, which
is a photograph ·o f brothers were in charge of loading and
unloading the trains at the warehouses near the lines that Alfredo and- had set up.
Once this operation was up and running, we using it to transport cocaine from Los
Angeles to Chicago in the walls of rail cars. The load that we moved was in late 2007.
In approximately October or November 08, Pedro and I arranged to have 200
kilograms of cocaine transported from Los to Chkago using the train system that
we set up with Alfredo and - On November 3, 2008, Alfredo,-
- and others came to visit Pedro and I at ' s house in Guadalajara. While Alfredo
was at Pedro's house, we discussed many things, .... ..................1"-. the load of cocaine that we were
currently moving with the train, one of the 74 airplanes that Chapo uses to transport
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this conversation by placing a digital recording device in ·m5' pocket. I have had the
opportunity to listen the recordings contained on a CD labeled "Recorded I have
initialed the. exhibit sticker. On this CD are true an recordings that Pedro
and I made, including a conversation that Alfre o, - Pedro, and I had on
approximately November 3, 2008. I also recorde a portion of this conversation as well on
a cell phone.
At the time that Alfredo first came to my ouse, the only cocaine that I was aware
was in transit in the train ·was the 200 kilograms be onging to Pedro and I. However, during
our conversation, Alfredo informed me that he had placed an additional76 kilograms of his
own cocaine into the same train car. Alfredo and me that he was running very
short on money and asked if we would be willing t purchase these 76 kilograms. I told him
that we would only purchase the cocaine if we cou d agree to a price that would allow Pedro
and me to make enough of a profit from the cocai e to make it worth taking on the risk of
Pedro and I agreed to purchase the load of76 kilos f cocaine for approximately $2,166,000,
which worked out to $28,500 per kilo. Approxim ely one week later, the train carrying the
cocaine arrived at Alfredo's warehouse in Chicag_[ I sent my workers to provide Alfredo's
Once the train arrived in Chicago, Alfredo's worke s loaded the t-vfurano and
called Pedro to tell him that the kilos were ready to e picked up. Pedro and I then called our
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276 kilos.
During the same conversation on approxim tely November 3, Alfredo also explained
to Pedro and me the specifics ofhow Chapa's airpl ne operation worked to transport cocaine
from Central and South America to Mexico. This lwas not the first time that Alfredo talked
to us about the airplane. Essentially, Alfredo that Chapo had multiple 74 7 aircraft
that he used for this purpose. Alfredo explained at the 747s were cargo planes with no
seats in the body of the aircraft. Chapo would arr nge to have a shipment of clothing sent
to Central or South America as oart of a humanita ian aid oroiect. Once the olanes landed
in Central or South America, clothing ".vas a.;d ;p to 13 tons of cocaine was
loaded onto the plane for the return trip to The planes would land at Mexico City
International Airport and Chapo would then use h s contacts to have the cocaine offloaded
from the planes and get the cocaine out of the airp rt. Alfredo explained specifically about
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In addition to her involvement in the train anies, -also was involved in the
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transportation of bulk currency from Chicago Los Angeles to Mexico. For a fee of
approximately 3 to 7 percent of the money guarantee that she
would transport money safely from one location another. From my conversations with
know that she was aware that the money she transported was proceeds from the
sales of drugs and that - was transporting money in order the drug
conspiracy in which we were all involved. We money through- transportation
system approximately dozens oftimes. The that she transported on our behalf ranged
from shipments of approximately $100,000 up to dollars. - told me
that she transported the money by both cars and anes. When large sums of money were
being transported, - would use private to move the money.
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would not have to pay for the cocaine. When and I were responsible for the cocaine,
we would have to pay Chapo or Mayo regardless whether we actually sold the cocaine to
our customers or lost it in some way. Essentially, was responsible for the cocaine
at any given point bore the risk of losing the The location used to determine who
would be responsible for the cocaine, was also to determine the price of the cocaine.
Cocaine, and all drugs, essentially have a value that heavily depends on the
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geographic location. For example, a kilogram may have a wholesale value of
$18,000 in Guadalajara, Mexico, but that same kil gram of cocaine could have a wholesale
market value of $30,000 in Chicago. Unlike our lationship with ABL, which I discussed
previously, in which 've generally acquired t..1J.e cocfine in Mexico and bore responsibility for
its tra11sportation across the border, Chapo and generally supplied us with cocaine in
Chicago and Los Angeles, and thus we paid a hig er price.
Chapo, Mayo, Juancho, Olivares, Vicen e, Alfredillo, and others used a similar
system when transporting payment for the shipme ts of cocaine and heroin. As I previously
discussed, when Pedro and I sold cocaine to our cuhomers in the United States, we collected
payment in form of U.S. Currency. We then cololidated that currency, packaged it, and
transported it in bulk back to our sources of sup ly in Mexico. Chapo, Mayo, Juancho,
Olivares, Vicente, Alfredillo and I agreed thatPedr and I would deliver payment for cocaine
loads in the form of bulk currency, which we enerally transferred to their couriers in
Chicago and Los ... I am-aware.that was delivered to safe ho.. uses
belonging to Chapo and Mayo's organization and en transported Chapo and Mayo
through their transportation networks. I am aware hat these deposits to Mexico,
because in most instances, one of our workers wo ld go to stash houses belonging to Chapo
and Mavo's onmnizations in Mexico to verifv t M the count of the monev was correct.
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I understood that all of the money deposited to our ources of supply that was collected from
our customers and transported to Mexico was p ovided to Chapo and Mayo in order to
perpetuate our drug trafficking activities. I
During the course of our business with Chapo and Mayo, I became aware
of many of their respective organizations' mean and methods of importing cocaine to
Mexico from Colombia, and then further exportin that cocaine from Mexico to the United
States. I learned of these means and methods om conversations with Chapo, Mayo,
Juancho, Olivares, Vicente Zambada and Alfrbdillo, and in certain instances, from
investments that my brother and I made in loads Chapa's and Mayo's organization. It
was fairly typical that my brother and I would e informed of the progress of cocaine
shipments from Colombia to Mexico and the met ods that the organizations were using to
transport those shipments. Pedro and I often ha alreadv acreed to ourchase significant
many instances, we would be invited to inspect I ge shipments of cocaine upon its arrival
in Mexico, to inspect the quality and select portio s that we wished to buy.
Among other methods, I am personallyj aware that Chapo, Mayo, and their
organizations used 74 7 cargo planes to import to1-quantities of cocaine from Central and
South America to Mexico. I am also aware that C apo, Mayo, and their organizations used
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In total, since 1998, Pedro and I were resp 'ble for the distribution of thousands of
kilograms of cocaine from Chicago and els supplied to us by our sources of supply
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authorities or stolen, all of this cocaine was io our customers. In the spring of
2008, I began the process of my cooperation have been cooperating ever since. In
addition, although I am not cooperating in for any benefits received, the federal
government has provided some assistance in my family from Mexico to the United
States. no have been made 1 to me regarding my cooperation, I am
cooperatmg m hopes or receivmg a reduced in a tederal case where I have been
indicted on federal narcotics charges. With assistance from the DEA and U.S.
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Attorney's Office, Pedro and I moved our wives, t r children, our brother and his wife and
children, our two sisters and their children, our fat er, our mother, and the mother of two of
my children. I knew that once the people I ha e talked about today found out I was
c.ooperating, they would try to kill me and my familt . As far as I k_now, nobody knows where
my family is living a..!d r ru1i being kept in protec•f.ve custody.
This statement is an accurate and truthful s mary to the best of my recollection. It
does not describe everything that I know about th events described or other events that are
not described.
Signed:
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STATEMENT OF PEDRO tLORES -JUNE 4, 2009
I. Introduction
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My name IS l'earo t Jores. 1 nave oerore rms grana JUry on a numoer ot
occasions. I am giving this statement freely pursuant.to proffer letters with
the United States Attorney's Offices for the Ea tern District of Wisconsin and the Northern
District of Illinois. I have read this statement c refully and have been given an opportunity
to go over it with my attorney and to make ch gcs. This statement is just a summary and
does not contain every detail I remember about the drug trafficking activities in which I have
participated. If asked additional questions, I provide more detail. As with my previous
statements and as I will discuss in greater detail later in this statement, although no promises
have been made to me regarding my cooperati n or the sentence I will ultimately receive, I
am cooperating with the government in the hop of receiving a reduced sentence in a federal
case where I have been indicted on federal narbotics charges.
As I have testified previously, since 1998, my twin brother, Margarita
Flores (who I will generally refer to in this tatement as "Margarita"), and I have been
the of O.fco:ain.e
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perform different roles, we are generally awarlof each other's activities and we coordinate
our business together. Throughout this stat ment, I will refer to our drug-trafficking
organization as the "Flores DTO." In terms of ur operation in Chicago, Illinois and. th.e rest
of the United States, I held the primary respons'bility. Margarito was primarily responsible
for coordinating the receipt of drugs from our of supply in Mexico. This statement
will talk about our drug trafficking in will focus primarily on our interactions
with two of our primary sources of supply, J aquin Guzman-Loera (who I know as "El
Chapo" or "Chapo Guzman"), and members of is organization, and Ismael Zambada-Garcia
(who I know as "el Mayo" or "Mayo Zambad '),and members of his organization.
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with hidden compartments, or "traps," the roof. These same trap compartments
were used to transport money from the sale f the cocaine. In addition to these tractor
trailers, we also used freight trains to transpo cocaine. Although we had customers in
several cities. most of the cocaine that Margarit and I distributed in the United States at one
Chicago area.
B. Move to Mexico
began to fear that I would soon be arrested o narcotics trafficking charges and I made a
similar move to join Margarito in Mexico. On e I arrived in Mexico, Margarito helped me
up a drug distribution and money collection n twork allowing us to operate from Mexico.
As Margarito and I continued to take delivery of and distribute cocaine, our organization
continued to grow. .
C. Summary of the Structure Flores DTO
In running our narcotics trafficking we dealt, broadly speaking, with three
groups of people. The first group was our urces of supply of cocaine and heroin in
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in the United States. The second group was of "workers" or "crew" in the United States,
individuals who, at our direction, took deliver.y flarge shipments of cocaine and heroin and
distributed those drugs to our customer base, nd in turn received, packaged and returned
large amounts of money to us in Mexico. Thes individuals worked at our direction, and we
paid them to provide these services to us. The group was our wholesale customers in
the United States. Margarito and I maintained 1proximately 30 large customers for cocaine
and heroin in the United States in eight princi a! cities: Chicago, New York, Washington,
D.C., Philadelphia, Cincinnati, Columbus, De oit, and Los Angeles. We also had a large
wholesale customer in Vancouver, Canada. W en we took delivery of a load of cocaine, on
almost all occasions we either took delivery irl Chicago, or took delivery elsewhere in the
United States and arranged to have the drugs to Chicago, where we distributed
the drugs to our customers. We maintained several warehouses and "stash houses" in
Chicago and other cities where our crew un oaded shipments of drugs for delivery to
customers, and then in tum counted and pack ged money from payments for those drugs.
Generallv. we made deoosits ofmonev to our Mexican sources of in sunnlv in Chica!w or
Los for drugs that we received in the inited States. I am aware"th;t these de;osits
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were then transported to Mexico, because in instances, one of our workers would go
to stash houses belonging to our sources of in Mexico to verify that the count of the
money was correct. For drugs that we in Mexico, we generally made money
deposits in Mexico. Regardless of where we .. the money, from my conversations
with our sources of supply, I am aware that money was ultimately transported to our
Mexican sources of supply. I understood that of the money deposited to our sources of
supply that was collected from our customers transported to Mexico was provided to our
sources of supply in order to perpetuate our trafficking activities.
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Chapa's son Alfredillo. Alfredo told me that handled logistics for Chapa. Over time, I
learned from Alfredo that he oversaw the ·on of cocaine for Chapa in several
different ways. On behalf of Chapa, Alfredo the transportation of cocaine from
Colombia to Mexico in airplanes; was i in the transportation of cocaine from
Colombia to Mexico in some sort of used to evade law enforcement and the
military when moving cocaine across the ocean; and facilitated the transportation of
cocaine in rail cars.
Shortly after I met Alfredo, I also met wife - . I believe that - 's last
name is the same as Alfredo's, however, I do know what it is. I have been shown Exhibit
#6, which is a photograph of- . ,,..... ,)".,.,., closely with her husband in transporting
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both cocaine and cocaine proceeds. Together - Alfredo handled the logistics of
transporting large shipments of bulk -r:; drug proceeds, including the
transportation of payments made to Chapo by customers and payments made by Chapo
to his sources of supply. In addition, and - exchanged money from the
currency of one nation to another.
In late 2006 or early 2007, Margarita I entered into an agreement with Alfredo
and his wife - to establish a series of panies that would allow us to more easily
move cocaine throughout the United States. t this point, Margarita and I were moving
almost all of the cocaine that we distri in semi-trucks and trailers with trap
compartments in the roof. 'While this system very well for us, we wanted to have a
back-up plan or insurance policy to suppl ...lu'f'u• the trucks. Alfredo had previously told
Margarita and I that he \Vas involved with a company in the 1990's with a person that
I knew a s - . Due to Alfredo's prior in dealing with the trains, Margarita
and I thought that he would be a good person approach regarding our idea to branch out
into train transportation. Margarito and I dec to invest approximately $600,000 with
Alfredo and - to set up an importing and a logistics company. We understood
that the companies would be legitimate and actually import and sell goods; however,
the real purpose for these companies was to as a front that would allow us to transport
cocaine by train.
Margarita and I told Alfredo that we willing to invest money and wished to use
the trains to transport our cocaine, but we not want to be responsible for running the
businesses, so we allowed Alfredo and decide what kind of companies to create.
We later learned that they decided to ........... ... a furniture importation company. We
agreed that, in addition to providing the $600, in start up money, that we would also pay
Alfredo and - a fee each time we used train. On average, we paid Alfredo and
- approximately $1000 per kilogram cocaine that we moved by train. While
Margarito and I did not participate directly in decisions for the businesses, Alfredo
and - would occasionally ask us for our and would let us know what was going
on with the companies. After the company started we learned that Alfredo
had hired a man they referred to I met this man several times, but I do not
· his name. Margarita and I also knew three who participated in setting up the
companies. The brothers' last name While I met all three brothers at one point,
I knew the best. I have been Exhibit #7, which is a photograph of
brothers were in ofloading and unloading the trains at
the warehouses near the train lines that AI had set up. Once this operation
was up and running, we began using it to cocaine from Los Angeles to Chicago in
the walls of rail cars. The first load that we was in late 2007.
In approximateiy October or N . 08, Margarita and I arranged to have 200
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kilograms of cocaine transported from Los les to Chicago using the train system that
we set up with Alfredo and - . On "'"''"''",.,'"krn November 3, 2008, Alfredo, -
- ·and others came to visit Margarita at my house in Guadalajara. While Alfredo
was at my house, we discussed many things, the load of cocaine that we were
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Approximately one week later, the train the cocaine arrived at Alfredo's warehouse
in Chicago. I sent my workers to provide AI 's workers with a Nissan Murano in which
ito place the 200 kilos of cocaine that already b onged to Margarita and I, as well as the 76
kilos that we had agreed to purchase from Once the train arrived in Chicago,
Alfredo's workers loaded the Murano and called Margarita to tell him that
the kilos were ready to be picked up. called our worker Cesar Perez and
told him to meet Alfredo's workers at a ..." .... located near 159th Street. A short
time later, I talked to Cesar, who confirmed he picked up the 276 kilos.
During the same conversation on November 3, Alfredo also explained
to Margarito and me the specifics of how 's airplane operation worked to transport
cocaine from Central and South America to This was not the first time that Alfredo
talked to us about the airplane. Essentially, explained that Chapo had multiple 747
aircraft that he used for this purpose. Alfredo lained that the 74 7s were cargo planes with
no seats in the body of the aircraft. Chapo arn:mge to have a shipment of clothing sent
to Central or South America as part of a aid project. Once the planes landed
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in Central or South America, the clothing wasiffloaded and up to 13 tons of cocaine was
loaded onto the plane for the return trip to Me ico. The planes would land at Mexico City
International Airport and Chapo would then u his contacts to have the cocaine offloaded
from the planes and get the cocaine out of the 'rport. Alfredo explained specifically about
the last few trips with the p!a..11e..Alfredo told " about occasions in whic.h he organized for
Chapo trips bringing back 1700, 7000, and 12, 00 kilos of cocaine.
In addition to. her involvement in the trai companies,- also was involved in the
transportation of bulk currency from Chicago or Los to Mexico. For a fee of
approximately 3 to 7 percent of the money tr nsported, - would guarantee that she
would transport money safely from one locati n to another. From my conversations with
- I know that she was aware that the rnone that she transported was proceeds from the
sales of drugs and that - was transportin the money in order the drug
conspiracy in which we were all involved. We m ved money through - s transportation
system approximately dozens of times. The mo ey that she transported on our behalf ranged
from shipments of approximately $100,000 up o several millions dollars. - told me
that she transported the money by both cars an planes. When large sums of money were
being transported, use private planes to move the money.
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CI 2: Have a seat.
ALFREDO: [U/I]... So he wants it the same as his. Then, it would be the same. It would
be the same. Because [U/I] the difference.
CI: But, you know what? That I still don't see the difference with mine.
ALFREDO: There was more left, a little bit more for you [U/I] that, that’s all.
CI: Yeah, it will be better, that way it won't come here. That’s the best thing he
could do.
CI: He probably has about ten [10] people who receive [U/I], right?
CI: You know I can't send it. If you want to ask him, and see if he can send it
[U/I]?
ALFREDO: Yeah, he called me. [U/I] was arriving from the airport, I told him [U/I],
call them and tell them [U/I] with them. I was getting off the plane.
CI: I remember sometimes he calls when we're busy and he says, "quick!"
ALFREDO: Huh?
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CI: Yeah.
CI: No, the man's. I thought when you said that you had some news, I thought
they were ready.
ALFREDO: Huh?
CI 2: They gave me… they gave me five…five hundred [500] the other
day…how long ago was it...?. what day…?
CI 2: Yeah, but I’m missing a number. See if I can remember. [ASIDE: Pete,
you don't remember?]
CI: Huh?
ALFREDO: All I heard was he was going to give us a surprise. That’s all I heard over
a week ago.
CI: He called…
CI 2: [U/I], right, man?
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI 2: [Laughs]
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI: He called [U/I], he said…
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CI 2: "The surprise. Come over here. All of you. Come over here, all of you."
ALFREDO: [I/I].
CI: He said, like I told you… that he… right?, that he needed the number. We
gave it to him and he hasn't, he hasn’t called.
ALFREDO: [U/I]…you guys?
CI: No, no, no. I don't know what he wanted. He said that, that Alfredillo has
a, a Murcielago [Bat], right? A Lamborghini. What color?
ALFREDO: Oh, yeah, I saw it. Remember I told you I’d seen a fucking car outside.
[U/I]. Black…it looked black to me. It has to be either black or yellow,
there aren’t any other colors.
CI: No, yeah, there’s a shitload of colors.
ALFREDO: And white, white.
CI: White, blue... But I.., he was asking me for a white one.
ALFREDO: We'll leave at around eleven thirty [11:30]?
CI: He was asking me for a white one.
CI 2 But that's kind of fucked up...
ALFREDO: The one that El Caminante had was yellow.
CI: Yeah, he told me that El Caminante’s was a Porsche GT that he also had
there. The one they have at Porsche. The G.T., that one, the one that’s five
hundred [500] bucks.
CI 2 It’s fucking cool. Yeah, yeah.
ALFREDO: Well, I think Alex also had, from, from Mana, when they opened the De
Santos, it was a fucking Porsche like that one. Alex, the, the drummer from
Mana, when he opened his restaurant here, the De Santos, he also had a
fucking Porsche like that one. Fucking better than [U/I] had [U/I].
CI 2: He ain’t driving that car right now!
CI: Yeah, man, ask him.
ALFREDO: I saw it.
CI: He says that he isn't driving it right now. But I go, “Yes!” I mean, he just
bought it. He didn't buy it just to put it away, did he?
ALFREDO: Dark color, black or blue, I don’t know what color it was, but he was
driving around the circle and I was going home and he was turning like
this way [U/I] this way, going down.
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ALFREDO: No, black. [U/I]. Beautiful. When [U/I] one hundred and thirty thousand
[130,000] dollars, “No. Take one car.” So I took the Audi from him. But
the one I liked for myself… I wanted to get the other one. “No,
motherfucker! They’ll take it away from you, they’ll get you out, they’ll
kill you right there! You’re better off taking the…the Audi.”
CI: No, I mean, you know how even the cops will go and investigate you right
away.
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI 2: Which one? [U/I] and then they take you? [Laughs].
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI 1: Nah! The thing is that right now the way they are like with [U/I].
CI 2: [U/I]... brother.
ALFREDO: What?
CI 2: [U/I] like what I told you that [U/I] his brother [U/I].
CI 1: [ASIDE: Say hi, man.] You do know my nephew, right?
ALFREDO: No, I mean, yeah [U/I]. What's up? [ASIDE: He's their other brother's son.]
UM 2: How are you?
UM 3: Fine.
ALFREDO: [U/I], right?
UM 3: Huh?
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI: He's seventeen [17] years old.
UM 3: Huh?
CI: I said he's seventeen [17] years old.
ALFREDO: He looks like he's twenty-something. This motherfucker is too big. He
looks like a football player.
[LAUGHING]
ALFREDO: [U/I] refrigerator.
CI: [U/I].
ALFREDO: So tell me then, they haven't called us or anything? Didn’t they give us the
check? What happened?
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CI: Yes.
ALFREDO: Huh?
CI: That’s what I’m saying. And I thought about you [U/I]. Earlier.
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI: [U/I] we’re waiting until tomorrow. [U/I] had something to do.
ALFREDO: Huh?
CI: I grabbed some work and I had to pay some money in Mexicali. Same
thing, I think it was one [1] week. And so I had to sell them for, for
twenty-two [22]. And he said, "Yes, I’ll pay you right away over there in
Mexicali. Now he’s saying that not until Thursday.
ALFREDO: This work should be arriving by… by next Monday. Over there to [U/I].
CI: Yes.
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UM 2: If we’re lucky…
CI: Huh?
CI 2: Shit, man!
ALFREDO: Offer the best that you can pay. What do you want me to say? I mean, I
don’t have customers. And, if not, they’ll stay there, I’ll fucking throw
them away! I’m gonna throw them away… yeah, right! [Laughs]
CI 2: On Saturday?
CI: [U/I] arrives [U/I] arrives [U/I] a damn mess. This is not the good one.
Look, it's all used.
UM 4: It was in storage.
CI: Look.
UM 4: It’s new.
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UM 4: [U/I].
CI: I want the friend to come and ask me for an apology, dude.
UM 4: Huh?
CI: I want the friend to come and ask me for an apology. No… I buy from him
[U/I] two thousand five hundred [2,500], he asks me for the money and
once… once you say yes, he keeps bugging you for the money. And he
comes right away and puts a...
CI: Oh. No, no, I can put that for you. The thing is ... [ASIDE: Hey Jay, why
don't they have them here, the Aquos TV?]…the thing is they only bring
two [2] every two [2] weeks.
CI: No [U/I] we have bought some. We've been going… we send my nephew
every other day to see if they have arrived, to see if they have arrived. But
he put…I bought HD...boxes, right? Two thousand five hundred [2,500]
each and he brought me a regular one because he had them [U/I]. I just
noticed [U/I]. [ASIDE: CI: Right, Jay? Remember I told you, right? UM
5: Mmm? CI: I paid HD boxes and he put a regular one in here. UM 5:
Who? CI: He got me. He thought I wasn’t gonna notice. UM 5: [U/I]
what’s a HD box? CI: HD, High Definition, better than the new one. UM
5: Oh.]
[BACKGROUND: LAUGHTER]
ALFREDO: [U/I]
ALFREDO: Well, tell me [U/I] more or less how much…how much will you pay for
that?
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CI: Okay, straight up, twenty-eight [28] is a good number for me to pay you.
That way I can make some money. I’ll make… I'm going to be making
about one thousand [1,000] dollars per…
CI: How about my work? I'm making five [5] bucks off of mine. What…
[ASIDE: hold on.]…what you're offering me for twenty-eight [28], right?,
I think they’re too few.
CI: That’s fine. [U/I]. And, and the check? Where do you want me to…to…?
ALFREDO: Over there in Chicago. But right away fucker, because I need to pay my
[U/I].
[BACKGROUND: LAUGHTER]
CI: No, no, it's not that! No. I…we want…[U/I]…it’s just that…you know
what? Like…right now we thought, “Shit, man! That’s a shitload of money
to….”
CI: One thousand [1,000] bucks. I even think it's a lot…I think it’s a lot…[U/I]
because the thing is that the problem I have right now, man, is that I think,
"Man, five million [5,000,000] is one hundred fifty [150] kilos, man."
Over there, right now.
ALFREDO: Where?
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CI: So we’re risking too much money, man. It's too much.
ALFREDO: [U/I].
CI: Look...
CI: Twenty-… let’s say twenty-nine [29]. It's about four million [4,000,000],
almost four and a half [4 ! ].
CI 2: [U/I]
CI: It's two million one sixty-six [2,166,000]. [Pause]. Okay, man, that's fine.
CI 2: [U/I].
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ALFREDO: Yeah.
CI 2: Listen, I’m going to call right now, I’m going to call right now. You know
what? [U/I]. What should we do anyway?
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI 2: Yes, if the man calls me I’ll tell him, “You know what, man? Stop fucking
around, I want my surprise! The one that you keep saying that [U/I].”
Should I tell him?
ALFREDO: Yeah.
CI 2: [U/I]... The worst thing that can happen is that he’ll get mad and he’ll
laugh, huh?
ALFREDO: He's going to laugh, "I have your surprise now.”. He's really hurting for
money [U/I].
CI 2: No, straight up, I’m going to tell him this, "Hey, hey, your compadre
[buddy] is really bummed out, man.”
ALFREDO: No, no.
CI 2: “He sounded like really bummed out, like needy,” I’m gonna tell him.
ALFREDO: No, it’s better if you don’t tell him anything [U/I].
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CI 2: [U/I]
ALFREDO: [U/I] or what, man?
CI 2: Huh?
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI 2: No, [U/I] fifteen [15] days...
CI: [U/I].
CI 2: …I don't know how many he wants to give each one of them. He told me
that [U/I] has money for twenty [20]. I gave him thirty [30] and he says
he's not done yet…the other one... [U/I] five hundred [500] [U/I], right? I
have one man... I have a man alone…I have a man alone who…who
moves…I gave him sixty [60] and he’s already done and even [U/I]. But I
want this man, my friend, to pick up work from this one, the money from
this one [U/I] and then [U/I] load it up and come here. I'm gonna call him
back.
ALFREDO: And when they don't pay you guys, do you have someone to send for
collection [U/I]? Or how do you guys do it?
CI: No, no, if they don’t pay us [U/I] one day. They know.
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CI 2: I mean, right now we haven’t had any trouble. But before ...
CI 2: [U/I] Before, before that would always happen. Before. [U/I] they hide or
they get lost. There’s…, for real, there's people who would arrive to the
house, and…nothing. The house would be empty.
CI: No, but you test them. I do test them. You test them little by little --five
[5]…ten [10]. And so people who need the money want to keep going.
CI 2: Since all who buy are, are around each of them, you understand what I
mean? It's like over here, like… like… a shitload of people know me.
Where the f… you know what I mean?...
ALFREDO: Yes.
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI: But if you're going to do some business, you want to come through... And
these people [U/I], you know what I mean? Like, what they needed,
because…[U/I] like with him... Didn’t I send him eighty [80] and he lost
them? I told him, “You keep fucking bugging me. I don’t want to hear
anything. I'm going to give you the eighty [80], and I’m not going to
deduct a single dollar. You're going to pay me at this number, and I don’t
give a shit. I don't want to hear from you." "Yeah, fine, I don’t give a shit!"
So then they deliver it to him, and the next day he got fucked. And I said,
"I didn’t give a shit. Where's my money?"
CI 2: We did squeeze…
CI 2: But it’s his fault. No… he doesn't set up offices to work. He’s really like...
he wants to do everything without expenses. He doesn't want to have an
office or anything. Nothing. He wants…
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ALFREDO: [U/I].
CI: For me, can you imagine?, I just paid sixty thousand [60,000] dollars
[U/I]…
CI 2: I pay, I think...
CI: ...in Los Angeles. Here it's forty [40]. In Chicago it's like one hundred
[100].
ALFREDO: [U/I].
CI 2: We pay like two-fifty [250] in total… in offices.
CI: No, [U/I].
ALFREDO: They [U/I].
[BACKGROUND: MUSIC PLAYS]
ALFREDO: [U/I] of nothing but fixed expenses.
CI: Oh, no, [U/I].
[BACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]
CI: And he doesn’t want to [U/I]…we have worked…I say, “Hey, dude, there
are these two [2] houses, [U/I] one house [U/I] trip and the other one so
you can check them out.” How much you think it would be to fix up two
rented houses and furnish them? How much would it be? Like two [2]
bucks?
ALFREDO: [U/I].
CI: Already furnished… rent and everything.
ALFREDO: [U/I]?
CI: Over there.
ALFREDO: Hey, dude, a house, say, really, really bad-ass [I/I].
CI: Um… if it’s really bad-ass [U/I] thousand.
ALFREDO: Yeah? With… and if they ask you for a one-month deposit?
CI: [U/I]
ALFREDO: [U/I] two thousand and five hundred [2,500].
CI: I just like to bring it down, cheaper. Like from twelve hundred [1,200] to
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fifteen hundred [1,500]. Good ones, like, with a garage and everything.
ALFREDO: [U/I] fifty thousand [50,000]?
CI: I do spend that. You know why? Because we put everything in them --
plates, curtains, [U/I], clothes, jackets, even photos.
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI: I, I put [U/I] jackets, [U/I] kids' room. I put like…everything.
ALFREDO: Everything, so it looks nice [U/I].
CI: I hope so, man. When did you say the surprise would arrive? No, because I
thought you were saying, I think, in two [2]weeks. [ASIDE:
CI: No, man, once that stuff arrives from down there, uff, man!, I’m going to
buy myself a [U/I].
ALFREDO: Huh?
CI: I'll buy myself one of those cars.
[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]
CI: Yeah, he told me. I heard him say that he had a shitload of problems.
ALFREDO: [U/I]. Once [U/I] arrives, then [U/I].
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ALFREDO: More…more…soon it’ll be about two [2] years [U/I] so far no…
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ALFREDO: Me, but [U/I] only a year ago. It was in November of last year. Yes,
because…
CI: An the company has been around for one [1] year.
[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]
ALFREDO: No, I did [U/I] there [U/I]. [U/I]...one thousand, seven hundred [1,700]...
On the second one, we put in seven thousand [7,000]. The second trip
[U/I]. On the third one, we put in like eleven thousand [11,000] or thirteen
thousand [13,000] [U/I] Bogota and that’s when [U/I].
CI 2: But how did he take them? Or were you going to sell them to him?
ALFREDO: No, fucking Alfredo and his dad. This man from here… and I can't even
remember his name… he tells me, “Hey, straight up...," he was going to
tell me something about the fucking plane, so I say, “[U/I] it's going to be
eight hundred [800], right?" So he gives me the money and everything, the
plane leaves, I leave [U/I] and they deliver the following day. But the ones
they delivered belonged to my compadre [buddy]. Six hundred and twenty
[620] [U/I]. So I call [U/I] and he tells me, "No, they delivered six hundred
and twenty [620].” So I call the man and tell him, “They delivered six
hundred and twenty [620]." “No, it's eight hundred and twenty [820]!" So
he calls him but he no longer picks up. "Oh well!, that’s all, the six
hundred and twenty [620], that’s okay." So [U/I].
ALFREDO: But when I arrive in Mexico, once [U/I] delivers [U/I] fuck [U/I].
[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]
ALFREDO: Huh?
CI 2: No, but why wasn’t your buddy able to… to give his support?
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ALFREDO: I don't know if... I don't know... I don’t know what fucking bullshit is
going on.
CI: That's why sometimes I feel that... I feel that they are like into
themselves…like...
CI 2: Nothing, but he didn’t want any problems, and if he was telling you that,
"That is your problem, not mine." You know what I mean? That’s what
he’s telling you. Right?
CI: [U/I].
ALFREDO: It would be like me saying, “Oh, yeah, you may be my buddy but [U/I]
workers [U/I] and you [U/I] me.”
CI 1: “You have to pay me.” I don’t like…
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI 2: But that's not cool if he used you.
ALFREDO: Because after that [U/I].
CI 2: Yeah, but, I mean… that’s not cool because you could no longer do fuck.
UM: No, and the whole shit was over.
ALFREDO: And all that fucking work was over. [U/I].
[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]
CI: Who, the driver?
[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]
CI: [U/I] the expenses?
[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]
CI: Yeah, but how are things at the airport now?
[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]
ALFREDO: [U/I] I can’t do any work without a check [U/I], right?
CI 2: [ASIDE: CI 2: Did Greco leave? Yeah? And who gave that jerk
permission to leave?]
ALFREDO: [U/I]… I hope so.
CI 2: [ASIDE: CI 2: Did they ring? UM: [U/I]. CI 2: So did the jerk leave?
UM: Yes, right now, he just left. I don't think he's coming back. CI 2:
Take your time. UM: No that’s fine. CI 2: [U/I]. UM: (LAUGHS).]
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CI 2: [U/I].
ALFREDO: Well, maybe [U/I].
CI: No, that's why...
CI 2: No, the new one.
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI: No, but what I’m saying is, if, if, if it does arrive [U/I], would you be
willing [I/I]?
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI: If you invite us, we’re in.
ALFREDO: The thing is that [U/I]…
CI 2: [U/I].
CI: [U/I] the thing I like about this … the thing I like about this job is that
you'll know whether it arrived, and that’s it; or whether it didn’t arrive, and
that's it .
CI 2: Yeah. In one day [U/I].
CI: You know what I mean? [U/I].
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI: One day. You’re not…for a month, “Hey, dude, what happened?”
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI 2: Count me in for that one. Easy.
CI: I’d be game for that one.
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI 2: [U/I] I’d be game with about four thousand [4,000].
ALFREDO: [U/I]... Six hundred and twenty [620] [U/I].
CI: At what price?
UM: Huh?
CI: Where?
ALFREDO: Here, here.
CI: Really? All the way here?
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with dark windows. And he passed by with like three [3] small cars [U/I] .
ALFREDO: No, my buddy [U/I].
CI 2: Well, yes, but that’s because they can, because they're fixed up. That's
why.
ALFREDO: [U/I]...kind of strange [U/I]...nobody else.
CI: That's what I’m saying [U/I].
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI: I don’t think so. Right now [U/I].
ALFREDO: [U/I].
CI: Yes, but…but…
CI 2: But that’s better for them. Let them look bad.
CI: Listen, but…but the Chinos [Chinese/Curly hair guys]…they're involved
with that guy.
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI: What did he say [U/I]?
CI 2: I don't know. I'm gonna talk to him [U/I].
ALFREDO: I want a dish. [U/I].
CI: [U/I] It's...it's…I’m going to tell you why…it’s because they changed the
antenna. Hey, hey, check why the channels are not working.
[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]
UM 6: [U/I] can’t be seen [U/I].
ALFREDO: [U/I]. Hey, the dish you have at your house, is it legit or not?
[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]
UM 7: Huh?
ALFREDO: The dish [U/I].
UM 7: [U/I] they get blocked [U/I].
ALFREDO: Yeah, but it’s [U/I].
[B ACKGROUND: BEEPING SOUNDS]
[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]
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CI 2 [ASIDE:
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ALFREDO: [U/I].
CI: [LAUGHING] He crashed it!
CI 2: No, but he said he already had it. He said that later…that later he
investigated and that he already had it. That they had put one of those [U/I]
on the plane. I saw his…the whole story, and he says that when he was
over by, I don’t know, by Ohio [U/I].
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI: Okay, in the beginning he would not [U/I] with anyone. Then he said that
he had always bought new parts but this time the mechanic convinced him
about a part that was re…
CI 2: …refurbished.
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UM: [U/I] they're busy right now and whether you can call a little later.
ALFREDO: [U/I].
CI: He said [U/I] he didn't want to take anyone with him. And I said, "Hey,
dude, you should’ve taken some shovels, I said, [U/I] to bury the work.
And wait, am I right or not?, to see if they would come and get it. But no,
he left the work there.
CI 2:
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going to [U/I]. [U/I]... we're talking about other ones, like...you know what
I mean? We’re talking about some that we don’t have. Once we have them,
[U/I].
ALFREDO: All right, then, you call me [U/I].
CI: [U/I] my buddy, man.
ALFREDO: I hope to god, fucker [LAUGHS].
CI: Now I’m going to… I’ll bet you anything that now that we’re here talking
he must have called.
ALFREDO: Who?
CI: My buddy.
ALFREDO: Did he just call?
CI: I imagine so, only because I don’t have the phone.
ALFREDO: [LAUGHS].
CI: Or, if not, I’m going to call…I’m going to tell Menor [Junior]…I’m going
to say, “You know what? Fuck it, I can’t be waiting around for you guys. I
can’t be carrying the phone around wherever I go.”
ALFREDO: [LAUGHS] Of course. [U/I].
CI: I'm going to [U/I] one right now.
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI: [U/I].
UM: [U/I] at [your/his] house.
CI: Take care, alright?
ALFREDO: [U/I]
CI 2 [U/I]... Ask Pete.[U/I]
[END OF RECORDING]
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