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Dear Readers,
This month, we bring you the second part of the immensely enlightening
conversation between Deepak Chopra and Sadhguru. With the question, “Where
Does Consciousness Come From?” they go into the core of spiritual seeking.
In our Lead Article “The Other Side of the Mirror,” Sadhguru likens the mind to
a mirror, on the other side of which lies the very source of our existence. He
not only explains the connection between time, space, and the mind, but also
suggests practical methods to get to the other side.
With this month’s recipe, a traditional Gujarati “Bottle Gourd Muthiya,” we give
you a sneak peek into Isha’s new recipe book A Taste of Wellbeing that will
be launched this Mahashivaratri. To adequately prepare yourself for this great
night of Shiva, Sadhguru has devised a special sadhana. For more details, see
page 20 and visit the Isha Blog. We are looking forward to having you with us for
the most exuberant celebration of the year in Isha!
LEAD ARTICLE
The Other Side of the Mirror 07
New Year Discourse by Sadhguru
MAHABHARAT
10
Part 15: The Truth about Kalki
MUSINGS
Ishtadevata 15
Reality or Hallucination?
A Yogi’s Legacy
16
Sadhguru on the Transformative Impact of Mahasamadhi
Isha Vidhya
A Success in Andhra Pradesh 18
ISHA RECIPE
This Month: Bottle Gourd Muthiya 21
ZEN SPEAKS
23
The Buddha Is in the Home
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Where Does Consciousness Come From?
Deepak Chopra in Conversation with Sadhguru – Part 2
Indian American author, public speaker, and physician Deepak Chopra is undoubtedly one
of the best-known figures in the holistic health sector. He met with Sadhguru on 18 October
2015 for a conversation on “Ancient Wisdom in Modern Times.” The talk was moderated by
Chandrika Tandon, a Grammy-nominated singer, former partner at McKinsey & Company,
and founding chair of financial advisory firm Tandon Capital Associates. Here is the second
excerpt of this exceptionally profound encounter.
Chandrika Tandon: Dr. Chopra, could you talk to read English literature just for fun because I like
us about what stops people from experiencing a the language, otherwise the most profound stuff
state of yoga? that I read is Asterix.
Deepak Chopra: For some of us who were Why I am saying this is, modern science is trying
educated in a scientific world view or in a world to mathematically deduce reality – everything
view that emphasizes recycled information, has to fit into math. A scientist will deduct
it is difficult to come to an experience of everything and come to the conclusion that
being because we identify with our perceptual the entire universe is one, but that is not in his
experience. We identify with our intellect, our experience. A religious person will say that God
mind, and our ego, so it always seems a struggle, is everywhere and everything is one, but he only
until one day, you stop struggling and you are believes – that is not yet in his experience. One
there. As Sadhguru said, he never identified makes deductions, another is rooted in belief. A
with anything. Once you identify with thought or yogi is a hard nut who does not want to deduce
perception, with sensation or emotion, then you or believe anything. Unless it becomes real
are in time. Thought is in time but being is not within him, it is not a reality for him. Because
in time. of this approach, I never found the need to read
anything spiritual. If I read something, it may be
Chandrika Tandon: Sadhguru, your thoughts? a news magazine, literature, or something else,
but never anything spiritual, because I do not
Sadhguru: I am completely spiritually uneducated. wanted to clutter my own clarity with anything
I have to admit that I have read neither the Gita from outside. The only thing I know is, I know
nor the Vedas nor the Upanishads nor even the this piece of life [referring to himself] from its
Yoga Sutras. I have never studied anything. I origin to its ultimate. And if you know one piece
This is the first window that is opening into what The second open question is, where does
we call sanskaras or vasanas. For example, you consciousness come from? Scientists are
have two identical twins – they have exactly struggling with this because they think
the same genome, but they are not the same consciousness is a production of your brain, just
people – they have different personalities. like bile is a production of your gallbladder, or acid
Where is the seat of this personality – where is a production of your stomach. This is called
does it come from? This is why science opens the “hard problem of consciousness.” When you
the window to what people actually already look at something, what comes to your eyes are
knew in our tradition. colorless photons, what goes to your brain is
an electrical current, and what happens in your
Sadhguru: Science has evolved because of a brain is chemistry. You are not experiencing this
series of realizations, which have happened in as chemistry or electrical currents though, but
small spurts. Without grasping the entirety of as a three-dimensional reality in space–time.
it, realization has come in bits and pieces. We
say a particular scientist discovered something, No one knows how that happens – they keep
but actually they only observed or realized some struggling and struggling. If I ask you to imagine
aspect of the way it works. Knowing the physical a beautiful sunset on the ocean, there is no
dimension of how things function allows you to picture in your brain. The assumption that the
do many things in the physical world, which you brain produces consciousness is just an idea –
see in the form of technology today. no one has ever proven that. Consciousness is
not in the brain. The brain, the body, the mind,
Deepak Chopra: Science has brought us now to and the whole universe are in consciousness.
You cannot get at it through a system of thought.
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LEAD ARTICLE
Time as an experience is relevant to all of us self. You can contemplate your thoughts and
because we are mortal. Everything that you think emotions, but you cannot contemplate the self.
you are in terms of body, mind, and emotions, is Your existence cannot be contemplated – it can
a product of memory. Every level of memory – only be experienced. The mind is reflecting the
evolutionary, genetic, conscious, sub-conscious, world around you, but there is no experience of
unconscious – is calibrated in terms of time. you as a life. But the most important thing in this
In some sense, the solar system has its own existence right now for you is you are here.
memory which in turn reflects in every life, every
animate and inanimate form in this system – When there is no experience of the self, when you
everything is shaped by the system as a whole. have not touched life on a deeper level, there is
no question of experiencing the source of the
If you are totally absorbed in your physiological self. Most human beings only experience the
or psychological processes, you are a product kaleidoscope that is happening on the mirror of
of time. Being a product of time means being the mind. They keep digging into their memory
repetitive – your original nature will never find either to make themselves happy or make
expression. This is the reason why since the themselves unhappy. Whether it is joy or misery,
time of Adiyogi, we have been talking about the source is what is happening in one’s mind.
consciousness, because consciousness means
transcendence of cycles of time. You may be
aware of the world outside, but you are not
conscious that you as a life are here. You
You see the world because it is reflected
experience the world and its people, but you have
in your mind. But the mind never reflects
no experience of the self.
the self.
PART 15
Mahabharat
The Truth about Kalki
Participant: Namaskaram, Sadhguru. I am a little see it is actually crackling with electricity. How
confused about the theory of yugas. The Puranas much electrical charge it can carry determines
say that in the Kali Yuga, Kalki, the final avatar of how well and how clearly you can think. Looking
Vishnu, will appear. Can you elaborate on this? at the physical laws that rule the solar system,
physicists recently found that there is no room
Sadhguru: Kali Yuga means “age of darkness.” As for further development of the human brain. The
we already said, it takes the planet 25,920 years to yogic sciences have been saying this for a long
make a full cycle through the zodiac. If you divide time. This is so because if you increase the size
this cycle in two halves, there are two times four of the neurons, the brain would become more
yugas, so totally eight yugas. Only the Kali Yugas capable, but it would take too much electricity.
and the Sat Yugas are paired together – there are
two Sat Yugas and two Kali Yugas in succession. Right now, as you sit here, 20% of your energy
But the other two yugas – the Dwapara Yuga and is spent in the brain, which means it is the most
Treta Yuga – are each separated by Kali Yugas energy-consuming part of the body. Suppose
and Sat Yugas respectively. your brain became bigger, you would need more
energy than you would be able to supply. On
Kali Yuga – Age of Darkness the other hand, if you increase the number of
What distinguishes Kali Yuga is that during this neurons, you could still do better with the same
yuga, the distance between the solar system amount of power. But if you increase the number
and the “Super Sun” that it is rotating around of neurons, the way they are packed right now,
is greatest. The greater the distance becomes, you will lose in clarity of signal. This is the case
the lesser the intelligence of the beings on this with many hyperactive children – the number of
planet. Because this distance is greatest, the neurons in their brain is higher than normal. They
human intellect is at its lowest in Kali Yuga. In are brilliant but scattered. They cannot think
the following yuga, as the solar system is moving straight. Nothing comes out of it because there
closer to the “Super Sun,” human intelligence is no clarity.
will begin to blossom. They go to the extent of
saying that human ability to understand and use Neither increasing the size of the brain nor the
the electrical and magnetic forces in the human number of neurons would work. They say that
system increases as the planet gets closer and according to the physical laws, it is not possible
decreases as it moves further away. for the human brain to evolve further, but we can
learn to use it better. Right now, human beings
Your intelligence essentially depends on how are using it in a very mediocre way. If you use it in
your neurons crackle in the brain. If you look at a a more sophisticated way, you can increase your
simulated image of how the brain works, you will brain power many times over.
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The yogic sciences have said a long time ago that be most important for communication and living.
human intelligence and the human body cannot That is, if I want to say something to you from
be developed further because the physical laws a distance, I do not need a microphone, nor do I
have reached their limits. In relation to the way have to shout. If I think about this, you get it. In
the earth rotates around the sun and the way the Sat Yuga, people barely spoke because the mind
moon cycles around the earth, the human body was the means of communication. Everything
has reached full potential. It cannot go further, but that had to be done was done mentally. They
at the same time yogic sciences once again say even go to the extent of saying there was no
that your ability to use the brain can be enhanced physical conception – it happened mentally.
by doing certain things. One of the things that we
spoke about just now is brahmacharya. You can Treta Yoga – Visual Perception
generate that kind of energy in your system that In Treta Yuga, the focus shifted from the mind
if you had 10 or 25 brains, it could still power all down to the eyes. That the eyes became most
of them. By generating the necessary energy, by dominant was reflected in the language people
raising the kundalini, by bringing your energies used in Treta Yuga. The basic greeting in India at
to full force, you can power a thousand brains that time was “I see you.” That means “I see you
around you if you want. through and through.” They used their eyes in a
powerful way. This is called netra sparsha, which
They say Kalki is supposed to come to end the means you can touch someone with your eyes.
age of darkness. Actually, the nature of time is
such that no one needs to begin it, no one needs Before I went to school, it happened to me that I
to end it – it goes on anyway. Nothing may started staring at everything. In that condition, I
happen to you in your life – still time will pass. also went to school – I stared. Initially, I heard the
This is one thing you can be guaranteed. In case words; after some time, the words did not mean
you get a boon and become immortal, still you anything to me, because I knew that I am making
cannot stop time from passing. Therefore, no up the meanings. Then even the sounds did not
one needs to begin or end an age. When they mean anything to me anymore. Listening to
said, “Kalki will come on a white, winged horse,” people never made any sense to me. I knew more
it was meant metaphorically. At the turn of yuga, about them by just staring at them. I was staring,
brightness will arrive and destroy the darkness. not because the teachers were always pretty, but
because when I stared keenly enough, I knew
If the hall is dark and I turn on a light, it destroys them through and through. I knew everything
the darkness. Foolish scholars or exploiters about them – things about their lives that they
have presented a metaphorical expression as did not even know themselves. It became more
black-and-white facts. As the solar system and more absorbing – I would stare at something
moves, it moves into a dark phase and as it for hours on end. If I wanted to know something,
moves out, light arises. It will rain upon us. I stared at it. After some time, I realized there are
Even if you don’t want it, suddenly your brain better ways to do it – if I want to know something,
will crackle and work better because you have I just have to close my eyes.
moved into a different age. As we say, “I got
a bright idea” – human beings have always Dwapara Yuga – Olfactory Perception
associated intelligence with light. In Dwapara Yuga, the sense of smell became
most dominant. Wherever life energies are high,
The scriptures say once the solar system moves the sense of smell will become very strong and
out of Kali Yuga, brightness will arise. In the sensitive. In the forest for example, your sense
different yugas, human beings use different of smell is more important than your eyes, ears,
dimensions of intelligence and communication. and your brain. By sniffing you can know what is
In Sat Yuga, the mind – not the intellect – will happening with a person.
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A little while ago, we had the fortune of having rest is all nonsense. It may be said by me, it may
a king cobra as a guest in the ashram. It is one be said by a god, it may be written in a scripture,
of the most magnificent creatures on the planet. but it is all nonsense unless you know it from
It was almost 12 feet long and could stand your own perception.
up six feet tall. It uses its tongue to taste you
from a distance. It knows your chemistry. It can Kali Yuga – Verbal Expression
move so quickly and is so deadly that if it bites Moving on from the mental, visual, and olfactory
you, you only have eight to ten minutes. It has dimensions of perception – in Kali Yuga, human
enough venom to kill an elephant, but we are beings become totally verbal. Their mouth
at ease with it because we know that if we do becomes the biggest thing. When the solar
not create the wrong chemistry in our system, it system is going through the yugas, if you are in
is fine with us. All carnivorous animals, in fact tune with it, you are also going with these yugas.
almost all wild creatures are sensitive to your If you are above it, you can stay wherever you
chemistry, but snakes in particular are super want. If you are stuck in your own things, the
sensitive. You can go in the wild and pick up a planet may be in Sat Yuga, but you may be in
venomous snake if you are at total ease. If your your Kali Yuga. That means every individual is
chemistry shows a little anxiety or fear, it will go still free to either transcend the yuga that he or
for you because it instantly perceives what is she is in, or be trampled by the yuga, or ride the
happening in your system. yuga as it is. All the three possibilities are there.
You can speak to me from a distance because Your thoughts and emotions are your
of the microphone, but the microphone only psychological drama. You have the choice to use
enhances your voice. A tool is an enhancement it to enhance your life or to defeat yourself. You
of our existing abilities. We created energy can sit here and think what you want. It need not
forms with which we can have a very profound have anything to do with reality. The question
relationship. But not all deities are energy is, are your hallucinations working towards
forms. Many of them are purely based on your wellbeing and growth, or are they working
emotion. A bhakta or devotee does not care against you? Do not worry whether something is
whether his object of devotion exists or not. All reality or hallucination.
he knows is the strength of his emotions. As
you can use the strength of your intellect, you I have spoken about this before – a few years
can also use the strength of your emotions to ago, when I walked into the Isha Home School,
do wonderful things. an eight-year-old boy came up to me and
asked, “Sadhguru, is life a dream or is it true?”
If you become a devotee, it does not matter I said, “See, life is a dream, but the dream is
whether you are devoted to one god or another, true.” The dexterity of living is in making your
to a monkey or a buffalo, as long as you are dream work for you, not against you. Please
devoted. Because you are devoted, you will make Hanuman work for you, not against you.
be transformed – not by the god, but by your Hanuman represents immense strength and
devotion. If you fall in love with someone, the devotion. Let that become a part of your life. Life
person you fall in love with may be an idiot, but will work wonderfully well. Do not split hairs by
because you are in love, something about you asking if it is real or not. Your thoughts come
becomes beautiful. The advantage of falling in and go – they do not exist by themselves, but
love with a god is he will not disappoint you. you can make them work for you. You can turn
this psychological drama into a devil or into a
Human beings invariably disappoint you – not divine form. Please turn it into a divine force –
because something is wrong with them, simply then your very mind will become the source of
the Divine.
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A Yogi’s Legacy
Sadhguru on the Transformative Impact of Mahasamadhi
Questioner: Sadhguru, from what I understood, in Tamil. He had six faces because of a certain
you said that when yogis attain mukti, the being experiment. There have been many experiments
completely dissolves. On the other hand, people where two yogis have shared the same body.
say that certain yogis are still there in their In the case of Subramanya, it was such that
samadhi spots, or that their power is still there. Parvati had six children with six different kinds
How is that? of attributes. Then she thought how wonderful
it would be if all these six qualities were in one
Sadhguru: When a being leaves the body and person, and she merged all six into one body.
completely dissolves, still he can leave a powerful These were six yogis living in one body – that is
field of energy around him. There are many why he is known as Arumugam or six-faced.
places like that in India. Kedarnath is one such
powerful place. If you are open to experience it, Generally, when a yogi wants to leave his body,
Kedar can shake you from the very root of your he will do it either sitting down or sometimes
spine. Similarly, Velliangiri – the Seventh Hill is lying down, according to his convenience.
so powerful because some yogis left their bodies Gautama Buddha left lying down on the side,
and certain kinds of energies there. This does which is a little unusual too. But Kumara left his
not mean they are still around. It is just that body standing, which is very unusual. This place
they leave in such a way that it transforms the is incredibly powerful. We once trekked there and
atmosphere around and the whole area. Usually, stayed at the base camp to go up the peak the next
they will choose a substance that can hold morning. They set up a tent for me, but my body
the energy for a long period of time. Naturally just would not sit down. If I tried to sit down, my
available options are outcrops of rock. Yogis body would stand up again, dismantling the tent.
used them to invest their energy in them so that There was no way to sit down – I had to stand
people can experience it. There are incredibly the whole night. This is because Subramanya
powerful samadhis in South India. left his body standing.
You may have heard of Ghati Subramanya1, Even today, if you go up the mountain and dig
the temple somewhere between Bangalore anywhere, you will find small, six-faced pebbles.
and Mangalore, from which you can climb the You must see it to believe it. These six-faced
mountain of Kumara Parvat. Kumara Parvat is stones, which look like machine-cut, are called
the place where Subramanya, or Murugan, or Shanmukha Lingas. These tiny pebbles are so
Kartikeya as they call him in Tamil Nadu, attained powerful that someone who is sensitive to them
samadhi. After fighting bloody battles, he came holds one of them in their hands, will experience
to Ghati Subramanya, and as a symbolic gesture an explosion of energy. His energies have been
for the end of violence, he washed the blood off such that for these hundreds of years, even the
his sword. Then he went up Kumara Parvat and stones have transformed themselves into six
left his body standing. Being the son of Shiva, faces. That is the kind of energy he left.
in Karnataka, he is known as Kumara, which
means son. There are many places like that. This is a
reality that one must experience – believing is
Subramanya was six-faced – that is why they not enough.
also call him Arumugam, which means “six faces” 1
Ancient Hindu temple in Bangalore District
A wonderful Evening with the Mystic! Over 4500 Sadhguru at the Srikalahasti temple in Chittoor
people attended the satsang with Sadhguru at the district. The temple is one of the pancha bhuta
JRC Convention Hall, Hyderabad, on 2 Jan 2016. sthalas. It represents the element of vayu or wind.
Sadhguru with Union Minister for Urban An Evening with Sadhguru at the Sree
Development Shri Venkaiah Naidu at the “Nellore Vidyanikethan Engineering College, Tirupati, on
Next” event, Nellore, on 3 January 2016. Over 1000 4 January 2016, following an invitation by film
people, including State Ministers and prominent actor, director, and producer Mohan Babu.
citizens of the town, attended the event.
Sadhguru’s first satsang in Visakhapatnam Sadhguru giving the valedictory address at the
on 5 January 2016 received an overwhelming 21st INCOFYRA – International Conference on
response, with the venue – Port Stadium – Frontiers in Yoga Research and Its Applications,
completely packed. Over 5000 people attended. Bangalore, on 7 January 2016.
In order to counteract the deteriorating During his recent visit to Kuppam, The Chief
education standards in rural schools, the Chief Minister made surprise visits to the government
Minister of Andhra Pradesh launched Isha schools and decided to extend the agreement
Vidhya’s Government School Adoption Program with Isha Foundation for another two years. The
(GSAP) in Kuppam district in 2015. Isha Vidhya, District Project Officer remarked that the quality
an Isha Education initiative, is committed to of education has been significantly enhanced in
raise the level of education and literacy in rural the schools. She further stated that remarkable
areas and help disadvantaged children realize progress has been witnessed among the
their full potential. students in English, Mathematics, and Telugu
classes.
After examining the advantages of the Isha
Vidhya project, Chief Minister N. Chandrababu Magic English was launched to enhance the
Naidu directed the District Collector to tie up skills in learning, speaking, and reading, which
with Isha Education, entrusting Isha with 356 has been imparted to over 10,000 students by
primary schools, 30 upper schools and 74 200 teachers. Sessions on how to create a joyful
high schools, which cover 38,356 students in learning atmosphere have also been conducted
total. As per the agreement, Isha Vidhya has for teachers as a part of the project.
A version of this article appeared in The Hans India on 14 December 2015.
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Sadhana
Prepare Yourself for Grace
For the upcoming Mahashivaratri, Sadhguru has
given a special sadhana to prepare oneself for
this night of tremendous spiritual possibilities.
The sadhana can be done by anyone age eight or
older for a period of 40, 21, 14, 7, or 3 consecutive
days leading up to Mahashivaratri. It includes
chants, Shiva Namaskar, and the observance
of certain guidelines. The culmination is on
Mahashivaratri – optionally at the Isha Yoga
Center, in your local center, or at home.
For more details, guidelines, and to learn Shiva Namaskar as well as the chants, please visit the Isha
Blog – isha.sadhguru.org/MSRsadhana
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