Ukedchat Archive 28 October 2010

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MissSMitch 20:00 Geting ready for #ukedchat any other #edbarnsley teachers joining in?
What are your top tips for dealing with challenging children? (nearly put
Natty08 20:00
teachers there) #ukedchat
It is 8 o'clock I am your host for the evening remember the #ukedchat

Natty08 20:00
tag when tweeting
Perhaps we should start with what people define as "challenging

colport 20:01
children/pupils"? #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:01 My first time participating in #ukedchat evening all!
Thanks all for ur gym encouragement! Am on my way now! @natty08 I'll

TeacherTweeter7 20:01
have to read back and catch up on ukedchat, sounds good tonight :(
What are your top tips for dealing with challenging children? (nearly put
Natty08 20:01
teachers there) #ukedchat
@Natty08 is NOW hosting #ukedchat "Top tips to deal with challenging

ukedchat 20:01
children"
My top tip - consistency and consistency! Focus on the positives

amyxxx21 20:02
(however small they might be) #ukedchat
RT @colport: Perhaps we should start with what people define as

Natty08 20:02
"challenging children/pupils"? #ukedchat <-- good plan
RT @Natty08: What are your top tips for dealing with challenging
tonycassidy 20:02
children? (nearly put teachers there) #ukedchat would be a good topic!
With the majority of behaviour problems in class I phone home at the

sfrench21 20:02
earliest opportunity #ukedchat
anyone joining #ukedchat want to help lisibo Jr with his ICT hwk by
lisibo 20:02
posting on http://bit.ly/dASzy3 or tweeting impt tips for esafety. Ta xx
raff31 20:03 Wait till your teacher gets home BBC3 now #ukedchat
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#ukedchat challenging pupils=those who don't conform to the normal
NickiA10 20:03
rules+routines of a school. Can this differ depending on ur school?
Think its important 2 set achievable targets so they can c when they
MissSMitch 20:03 make prog. Some of my kids are tough as they lack confidence.
#ukedchat
Challenge them back. When I 1st engage in innovative practice I choose

DrAshCasey 20:03
the good kids. In the end I choose to challenge them all #ukedchat
ICTtower 20:03 @sfrench21 Crikey, that's our last resort! #ukedchat
Ok guys - what are the challenging behaviours you have in your class?
Natty08 20:03
Low level? ADHD? something else? #ukedchat
are we talking about everything from low level disruption upwards?

Creativeedu 20:03
#ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:04 avoid public confrontations. #ukedchat:
@amyxxx21 That's a great point - good behaviour has to gain as much

filmclubuk 20:04
attention as poor #ukedchat
RT @NickiA10: #ukedchat challenging pupils=those who don't conform to

Natty08 20:04
the normal rules+routines of a school.
RT @ChrisGBaillie: @Natty08 the most challenging is the texting

Natty08 20:04
addiction! #ukedchat <--- remember the tag ;)
@amyxxx21 I agree on consistency - your strategies have to work no

MrsThorne 20:04
matter what mood you're in! #ukedchat
Define challenging pupils - changes depending on the class you've got!

amyxxx21 20:04
My challenging ones are ones responsible for consistent #ukedchat
I find it is my impulsive child with ADHD that causes me issues - him

Natty08 20:04
choosing when and when he will not work! #ukedchat Anyone else?
#ukedchat Maybe it should be challenging behaviour, rather than

amyxxx21 20:05
challenging children! Although maybe sometimes it isn't their behaviour!
RT @philallman1: #ukedchat never forget we are the adults and

Natty08 20:05
professionals in the situation. We have a resp. to remain calm!
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@Natty08 @colport Challenging Kids (CK) --- those who don't simply
DrAshCasey 20:05
comply but who force us to raise our game...#ukedchat
@Natty08 I agree that ADHD pupils are a challenge, as they seem to

colport 20:05
define their own rules #ukedchat
NEVER treat students differently to how you would wish to be treated

john_at_muuua 20:05
yourself. #ukedchat
RT @Natty08: RT @NickiA10: #ukedchat challenging pupils=those who

philallman1 20:05
don't conform to the normal rules+routines of a school.< diff in diff schs
small disruptions are like snowballs - catch them early or everybody gets
MissSMitch 20:05
involved! #ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: are we talking about everything from low level

Natty08 20:05 disruption upwards? #ukedchat <--- we need to decide but I would say
yes!
constant low level disruption is the norm, but have solid procedure to
sciencelabman 20:05
follow with behaviour which helps.#ukedchat
ICTtower 20:05 @lisibo Done! #ukedchat
I think it's really important to give clear concise instructions. Kids who
Creativeedu 20:05
don't know what they SHOULD be doing CAN'T do it. #ukedchat
#ukedchat never forget we are the adults and professionals in the

philallman1 20:05
situation. We have a resp. to remain calm!
RT @MissSMitch: small disruptions are like snowballs - catch them early

amyxxx21 20:06
or everybody gets involved! #ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: I think it's important to give clear instructions. Kids

MissSMitch 20:06
who don't know what they SHOULD be doing CAN'T do it. #ukedchat
RT @Mr_Thorne: how challenging a child is, can be subjective to the

Natty08 20:06
teacher... #ukedchat <--- yes a clash of personalities can happen
RT @john_at_muuua: NEVER treat students differently to how you would

Creativeedu 20:06
wish to be treated yourself. #ukedchat
Difficult topic- be consistent- but as always relationship is key and a long-

tonycassidy 20:06
term process #ukedchat
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This whole topic could be put to bed in one piece of advice given by ex HT
mr_chadwick 20:06
to me: "Son; don't smile 'till Xmas". #ukedchat
Mr_Thorne 20:06 how challenging a child is, can be subjective to the teacher... #ukedchat
RT @tonycassidy: Deal with the small things and the large incidents don't
amyxxx21 20:07
tend to come, or less frequently #ukedchat
calm calm calm. but never make empty threats. if you say you're going to
john_at_muuua 20:07
do something, then do it. increase your credibility. #ukedchat
RT @MissSMitch: small disruptions are like snowballs - catch them early

tonycassidy 20:07
or everybody gets involved! #ukedchat
@MrsThorne that's a really interesting take on it 'behaviour is the

Creativeedu 20:07
solution for CKs' #ukedchat
#ukedchat challenging children/challenging behaviour? it's the same as

Janshs 20:07
any human interaction - take a personal and REAL interest - please
Deal with the small things and the large incidents don't tend to come, or
tonycassidy 20:07
less frequently #ukedchat
@ICTtower Really! I find it nips a lot of low level problems in the bud v
sfrench21 20:07
quickly. Surprising what an xbox loss can do! #ukedchat
NickiA10 20:07 @mr_chadwick #ukedchat sad advice as not all respond to that
I think that CK are those who don't react to our pedagogical 1st gear -
DrAshCasey 20:07
they need us to think outside the box and inspire #ukedchat
My fave behaviour management rule is to remember that for the child,

MrsThorne 20:07
the bad behaviour is the solution, not the problem #ukedchat
#ukedchat @tonycassidy Totally agree, but with some chn you have to
amyxxx21 20:08
ignore the smaller things, as otherwise you would be always telling off
tonycassidy 20:08 I think you have to see some of it as a 'game'- #ukedchat
#ukedchat Lots of *reasons* for challenging behaviours none should be

philallman1 20:08
*excuses* - either from kids or teachers
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I try to link conversations abt behaviour to bigger pic -what seems ok 2
MissSMitch 20:08
kids in school seems ridiculous in context of work places #ukedchat
if a child in my class persistently acts up, i immediately reward all the

Mr_Thorne 20:08
other children who haven't acted up. #ukedchat
#ukedchat I find the best way of dealing with any behaviour is to develop
mattlovegrove 20:08
a strong relationship with pupils - mutal respect works
I think it's important not to take it personally too.Quickest way to

Creativeedu 20:08
escalate the situation. #ukedchat
Only worked with challenging pupils as tutor. Have to find their over-
bartoneducation 20:08
riding interest and overload on information. #ukedchat
@colport @Natty08 Are all children diagnosed with ADHD actually

mr_chadwick 20:08
suffers. On occasions, can mask parenting issues IMO. #ukedchat
RT @tonycassidy: RT @MissSMitch: small disruptions are like snowballs -

Natty08 20:08
catch them early or everybody gets involved! #ukedchat
RT @tonycassidy: RT @MissSMitch: small disruptions are like snowballs -

Natty08 20:08
catch them early or everybody gets involved! #ukedchat
RT @Natty08: DO we think there is a difference between primary and

colport 20:09
seconday disruptions or at the heart is it all the same #ukedchat
With ADHD you have to clearly have to explan to the rest of the class why
tonycassidy 20:09
you are allowing certain behaviours- #ukedchat
RT @tonycassidy: I think you have to see some of it as a 'game'-

Natty08 20:09
#ukedchat <--- in what way?
#ukedchat think it is important that your boundaries remain the same.

curricadvocate 20:09
anyone crossing is challenged - even if they have never crossed b4
ICTtower 20:09 @sfrench21 Then cal parents if problems persist. #ukedchat
My most challenging group: high achieving girls who think they've got it
frogphilp 20:09
all, but give up when they get stuck. #ukedchat
problems with internet last few weeks, finally sorted and now joining
mushychelle 20:09
#ukedchat a little late!
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Is challenging behavior negative for all, can it be turned into an
Iris_Connect 20:09
opportunity for both teachers and students #ukedchat
RT @john_at_muuua: if you say you're going to do something, then do it.

NickiA10 20:09
#ukedchat How many tend not to do that? Tried it but 4 how long?
learn some elementary psychology. anticipate the issues when they walk
john_at_muuua 20:09
in the door, not once the problem has blown up in your face #ukedchat
RT @john_at_muuua: calm calm calm. but never make empty threats. if

MissSMitch 20:09
you say you're going to do something, then do it. #ukedchat
@sfrench21 Perhaps I'm wrong but we have been led to believe we

ICTtower 20:09
should deal with the problem ourselves first #ukedchat
#ukedchat - totally don't agree with don't smile until xmas. I'd hate not to
mattlovegrove 20:09
smile, smiling is so powerful
currently editing a friends wedding video whils keeping an eye on

chrisleach78 20:10
#ukedchat
RT @mattlovegrove: #ukedchat - totally don't agree with don't smile until

NickiA10 20:10
xmas...smiling is so powerful> Gets kids onside, shows ur human
@mattlovegrove How do you make a realtionship when they do not

Natty08 20:10
want one? #ukedchat
RT @mattlovegrove: #ukedchat I find the best way of dealing with any

MissSMitch 20:10
behaviour is to develop a strong relationship with pupils - agree!
@mr_chadwick sorry don't buy that any more. Smiling (or not) is not the
DrAshCasey 20:10
problem...our professionalism is the key - challenge CK's? #ukedchat
#ukedchat it's worht remembering that they are are children - even in
jowinchester 20:10
KS4 - not adults so need support with controlling emotions & behaviour
@NickiA10 the art is knowing your limitations, so never saying

john_at_muuua 20:11
something that students will see is an empty threat. #ukedchat
@tonycassidy Interesting, but I choose not to play games where teachers

ICTtower 20:11
cannot win - Games People Play #ukedchat
how do people cope with challenging behaviour with teaching adult

mushychelle 20:11
learners? #ukedchat
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RT @MrsThorne: My fave behaviour management rule is to remember
JoanneC23 20:11 that for the child, the bad behaviour is the solution, not the problem
#ukedchat
RT @lisibo: anyone joining #ukedchat want to help lisibo Jr with his ICT
ZoeRoss19 20:11
hwk http://bit.ly/dASzy3 or tweeting impt tips for esafety. Ta xx
I think expectations are vital - your's of them and theirs of you - once
DrAshCasey 20:11
these are settled then stick to them. #ukedchat
mattlovegrove 20:11 #ukedchat them, even if they don't care back.
RT @drashcasey: @Natty08 @colport Challenging Kids (CK) --- those who

Iris_Connect 20:11
don't simply comply but who force us to raise our game...#ukedchat
@ICTtower If I have a student who has not responded to behaviour

sfrench21 20:11 management tech (depending on situ) I won't hesitate to phone
#ukedchat
RT @tonycassidy I think you have to see some of it as a 'game'-

Janshs 20:11
#ukedchat >> of course - it's the rules of engagement innit? :-)

tonycassidy 20:11
teacher... #ukedchat
@mr_chadwick Cannot argue with some people, but current ADHD pupil
colport 20:11
is a bizarre case which has changed my view #ukedchat
@Natty08 #ukedchat - find out what they're interested in, and get
mattlovegrove 20:11
interested. It can be tough, but it works. Show them that you care for
@reallara are they arrogent because they need to be approached on a

Iris_Connect 20:11
different level and react because they feel different #ukedchat
@frogphilp fixed mindset learners you need to develop them to growth

Natty08 20:11
minset learners #ukedchat
I agree staying calm/avoiding confrontation is really important. With

MrsThorne 20:11
some, I always begin with, "You're not in trouble, but..." #ukedchat
RT @mattlovegrove: #ukedchat - totally dnt agree w/ dont smile until

philallman1 20:11
xmas. I'd h8 not 2 smile, smiling is so powerful< agreed too simplistic
there are all sorts of reasons, may be different between primary and
Creativeedu 20:11
secondary but equally class to class #ukedchat
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#ukedchat. It does change at secondary but less time for one-
one/two/three/four. Also ignore lower level attention seeking.
Like! RT @Mr_Thorne: if a child in my class persistently acts up, i

ICTtower 20:11 immediately reward all the other children who haven't acted up
#ukedchat
@Natty08 I think when you do- your rmindset is changed- a minority are
tonycassidy 20:11
up for the rise- #ukedchat
@colport Develpoing own reasoning for things can be very challenging!

philallman1 20:12
#ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:12 @ICTtower I'm just saying don't take it personally- #ukedchat
jowinchester 20:12 @colport @Natty08 #ukedchat I think it's the same for all Key stages -
@Janshs I used to find that speaking softly worked well when I coxed an
Creativeedu 20:12
Oxford crew too LOL #ukedchat
@ICTtower Can also then (hopefully) phone back 2 weeks later with a
sfrench21 20:12
positive phone call #ukedchat
Lessons for Educators from The Facebook Movie. http://bit.ly/bYmQL1

briankotts 20:12
/via @InnovateEdu #edchat #edtech #ukedchat
@mr_chadwick Can be misinterpreted though... Relationship building is

RealLara 20:12
essential #ukedchat
@frogphilp I use traffic light cups to address that - makes them think
MissSMitch 20:12
about the task b4 they start instead of when stuck #ukedchat
for sure RT @Mr_Thorne how challenging a child is, can be subjective to

Janshs 20:12
the teacher... #ukedchat via @tonycassidy
I also make a conscious effort to speak quietly and in a low tone, it comes
MrsThorne 20:12
off as less threatening #ukedchat
RT @Natty08: @mattlovegrove How do you make a realtionship when

philallman1 20:12
they do not want one? #ukedchat< or we don't - kids are people too!
Agree RT @mattlovegrove: #ukedchat - totally don't agree with don't

ICTtower 20:12
smile until xmas. I'd hate not to smile, smiling is so powerful
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@ICTtower with my "concern for their learning". Sends out a msg to rest
sfrench21 20:12
of class & always had positive response from parents #ukedchat

amyxxx21 20:12
teacher... #ukedchat
@curricadvocate @mattlovegrove totally agree that children need to

Natty08 20:13
know we care! All mine do #ukedchat
With the most challenging children want a stroke, either positive or

tonycassidy 20:13
negative- #ukedchat
@mattlovegrove I agree, find out their interests. And always say hello
MrsThorne 20:13
when you see them around the school site #ukedchat
#ukedchat Something I find challenging as an NQT is I tend to 'reward'

amyxxx21 20:13
(housepoints etec) my more challenging chn for smaller things...
I have one child who has a realtionship with me but not his 1:! means I
Natty08 20:13
end up doing her job or child ends up under desks #ukedchat
RT @mattlovegrove: @Natty08 #ukedchat - find out what they're

ZoeRoss19 20:13
interested in, and get interested. It can be tough, but it works. <it does!
@mattlovegrove worst fake teacher. the middle class white guy who's
john_at_muuua 20:13
suddenly into gangsta rap to get down with the kids #ukedchat
Teachers we work with say the informal space of a club improves

filmclubuk 20:14 relationships back in the classroom - could this help behaviour?
#ukedchat
ICTtower 20:14 @sfrench21 Will beear that process in mind, thanks #ukedchat
Catch challenging child being good and give lots of praise. Refer back "do
GillDeCosemo 20:14
you remember when..." to get repeat of behaviour #ukedchat
what are the support structures that sit behind teachers to help cks
Iris_Connect 20:14
#ukedchat
#ukedchat If I was to be consistent, my "non-challenging" chn would

amyxxx21 20:14
never stop getting housepoints!
#ukedchat How often do WE as adults take peoples advice that we don't

philallman1 20:14
really know or have relationship with? Oh I'm on ukedchat :)
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RT @amyxxx21: #ukedchat Something I find challenging as an NQT is I
Creativeedu 20:14 tend to 'reward' (housepoints etec) my more challenging chn for smaller
things...
I think it's important we remember that some children take everything

JoanneC23 20:15
literally, clear and repeated instruction is so important #ukedchat
@tonycassidy Understand but don't fall into their (unconscious) traps, eg.
ICTtower 20:15
tell stduent to stop it, they say stop what?... #ukedchat
@MrsThorne #ukedchat - sometimes a friendly hello and smile may be

mattlovegrove 20:15
the only hello and smile that child receives that day...
@IRIS_Connect One that sticks in my mind was very spoilt and had
RealLara 20:15 everything he wanted. Trick was to try to get him to empathise
#ukedchat
@amyxxx21 Always a problem with rewards. I think you have to reward

Laura_987 20:15
what is good for that child #ukedchat
@mr_chadwick I have had similar case who I had no problems with, but
colport 20:15 other teachers have (difference between male/female teacher?)
#ukedchat
@philallman1 @Natty08 @mattlovegrove #ukedchat perseverance.
curricadvocate 20:15 There are very few who don't want that mutual respect. The barriers
come down
I wonder if a key question to ask is - "why do we feel challenged" - do we

DrAshCasey 20:15
feel our role as 'THE TEACHER' is being threatened? #ukedchat
I always think about the quote ' there is nothing as unequal as the equal
tonycassidy 20:15
treatment of unequals' #ukedchat
RT @raff31: Behaviour management is individual relationships in a whole

Creativeedu 20:15
class #ukedchat
RT @john_at_muuua: @NickiA10 so never saying something...

NickiA10 20:15 #ukedchat > Indeed but too many try short term things, happens for 1/2
weeks
So the key at the moment seems to be building realtionships, we know

Natty08 20:15
this takes time what can we do for a 'quick' fix? #ukedchat
build relationships by being yourself and getting a personality. kids don't

john_at_muuua 20:15
want you to be them, they want you to be you #ukedchat
@Mr_Thorne: if a child in my class acts up, i reward all the other children
MissSMitch 20:15
who haven't acted up ? praise is so powerful #ukedchat
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Behaviour management is individual relationships in a whole class
raff31 20:15
#ukedchat
we also have to be careful not to neglect the children who are always
Mr_Thorne 20:16
good #ukedchat
@reallara do you think cks would be better with more parental support
Iris_Connect 20:16
at all #ukedchat
#ukedchat chicken or ss stop working. Using tech such as qwizdom give ss

sfrench21 20:16
instant feedback so can access work and cont to work.
#ukedchat Differentiation! Time spent planning to make sure CKs can

janeyk419 20:16
access and are challenged always pays off. Agree?
RT @mattlovegrove: @MrsThorne #ukedchat - sometimes a friendly

lisibo 20:16 hello and smile may be the only hello and smile that child receives that
day...
#ukedchat I find that challenging ss constantly need reassuring that what

sfrench21 20:16
they're doing is correct - hence either run around like headless
#ukedchat - I always start the morning by having a friendly chat - helps

mattlovegrove 20:16
children settle and feel that I'm interested in them
I treat my class as a team 2 encourage them 2 feel responsible for others

MissSMitch 20:16
- if they don't encourage poor beh. it usually stops #ukedchat

Natty08 20:16 hello and smile may be the only hello and smile that child receives that
day
@tonycassidy When you reply what, they deny it, then escalates to an
ICTtower 20:16
argument about what they did as well. #ukedchat
@tonycassidy When you reply what, they deny it, then escalates to an
ICTtower 20:16
argument about what they did as well. #ukedchat
Interesting point @amyxxx21 should you reward more challenging

Creativeedu 20:16
children more quickly for GOOD behaviour? #ukedchat
amyxxx21 20:16 @Natty08 #ukedchat Quick fix - rewards and sanctions I guess!
any tone of voice or body language that imitates someone nagging is

ICanTeach_uk 20:16
normally not good #ukedchat
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Mr_Thorne 20:16 @MissSMitch praise is very very powerful #ukedchat
RT @john_at_muuua: build relationships by being yourself and getting a

Laura_987 20:16 personality. kids don't want you to be them, they want you to be you
#ukedchat
anyone else enter a 'contract' with a class at beg of term so they all agree
mushychelle 20:16
on how behaviour will be dealt with? #ukedchat
Also have a child who is copying behaviours of challenging child

Natty08 20:17
#ukedchat
ICanTeach_uk 20:17 positive reinforcement catch them doing something good #ukedchat
RT @Mr_Thorne: we also have to be careful not to neglect the children

lisibo 20:17
who are always good #ukedchat
RT @mr_chadwick: Whatever your strategy there are three important

Creativeedu 20:17
things to remember: consistency, consistency, consistency. #ukedchat
My real issue is when 'challenging child' kicks off and I still have 28 others
Natty08 20:17
to deal with #ukedchat
Have carrots for quick fixes. #ukedchat. Praise, stars, games, fun. This can
work for all kids.
I think the first five minutes of a lesson is key. You set the tone and
Creativeedu 20:17
ground rules for the whole session #ukedchat
Whatever your strategy there are three important things to remember:

mr_chadwick 20:17
consistency, consistency, consistency. #ukedchat
smiling is good humour is unpredictable and sarcasm is definitely a no no

ICanTeach_uk 20:17
#ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:17 hello and smile may be the only hello and smile that child receives that
day...
RT @Natty08 children need to know we care #ukedchat > that's what I

Janshs 20:17
mean - take an interest in each 1 (@raff31 your point too?)
I always reinforce what someone else is doing right by saying how they
Natty08 20:18
are doing it! Not just that they are doing it #ukedchat
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RT @DrAshCasey: I wonder if a key question to ask is - "why do we feel
tonycassidy 20:18 challenged" - do we feel our role as 'THE TEACHER' is being threatened?
#ukedchat
#ukedchat - I read the worst advice ever in the 'Teach Primary' magazine
mattlovegrove 20:18
recently. One of their experts suggested that getting the class to
RT @janeyk419: #ukedchat Differentiation! Time spent planning to make

ICanTeach_uk 20:18
sure CKs can access and are challenged always pays off. AGREE
RT @colport: @mr_chadwick I have had similar case who I had no

NickiA10 20:18 problems with, but other teachers have #ukedchat So how to deal w/
other staf
Also, get CK to teach you something. Had a Y10 show me how to throw a
MrsThorne 20:18
rugby ball in detention, he's been a model kid ever since #ukedchat
RT @filmclubuk: Teachers say the informal space of a club improves

MarcJaffrey 20:18
relationships back in the classroom - could ths help behaviour? #ukedchat

mr_chadwick 20:18
who are always good #ukedchat < very important
RT @Natty08: My issue is when 'challenging child' kicks off and I still have
colport 20:18
28 others to deal with #ukedchat <Pupils spot inconsistencies
RT @Creativeedu: I think the first five minutes of a lesson is key. You set
Mr_Thorne 20:18
the tone and ground rules for the whole session #ukedchat
#ukedchat there are challenging students who ask the question 'is this
kbrechin 20:18
lesson good enough for me to behave in?' engagement does help
@mattlovegrove I've been said more than once that staff are the only
deafdotty 20:18
constant in our children's lives #ukedchat
@Natty08 or 'that's a nice haircut' or 'you did well at

Janshs 20:18
football./concert/art exhib' etc #ukedchat
@mushychelle used this approach with pedagogical models like Sport

DrAshCasey 20:18 Education and Cooperative Learning (see my blog) www.peprn.com
#ukedchat

Natty08 20:18
who are always good #ukedchat <---- very true!
RT @ICanTeach_uk: sarcasm is definitely a no no #ukedchat,depends how

philallman1 20:18
sarcasm is used. Can be constructive if used carefully!
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@Mr_Thorne I agree! Rewards are a tricky area and it's hard to be
Laura_987 20:18
consistent. #ukedchat
confound expectations. I ask students to 'step outside' to receive rewards

john_at_muuua 20:18
as well as sanctions. no shouting. just conversation #ukedchat
#ukedchat Have found that earning 'table points' has eliminated some
amyxxx21 20:18
challenging behaviour
Ideas_Factory 20:18 #ukedchat Top tip-Catch them being good-never ever focus on negative
a vg old teach of mine managed all cks he was personal firm, fair with
Iris_Connect 20:19
each 1 of hisstudents, naturally demanded respect both ways #ukedchat
RT @philallman1 that's a Ken Rogers strategy. Anyone reference him

Catriona_O 20:19
yet?? #ukedchat????
#ukedchat laugh a child who was having a tantrum would stop him from
mattlovegrove 20:19
doing it. Awful and humiliating. I emailed editor....
@amyxxx21 If children struggle to achieve small things then rewarding

JoanneC23 20:19
them for that fine just as important as rewarding for big#ukedchat
@amyxxx21 I used that 2 in my nqt - now i reward the class - we have a

MissSMitch 20:19
secret student every lesson #ukedchat
@Natty08 that's what i mean by preempting the bad. do they teach that
john_at_muuua 20:19
in PGCEs? #ukedchat
#ukedchat. Who should you expect support from when behaviour is

regularly below par from the same pupil?
@john_at_muuua Wondering whether it is better to praise 'publicly'

ianinsheffield 20:20
though ie emphasise good behaviours for all to see? #ukedchat
A child (in 'trouble') was sent to me and they told me that a friend had
DeputyMitchell 20:20
told them not to be scared coming to see me as #ukedchat 1/2
RT @Natty08: My real issue is when 'challenging child' kicks off and I still
NickiA10 20:20
have 28 others to deal with #ukedchat
#ukedchat Most challenging kids are testing you-'Will u still like them if
Ideas_Factory 20:20
they persist'Dont take it personally-their life will be far worse
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I don't think we should reward behaviour- extrinsic rewards for a social
tonycassidy 20:20
norm- slippy slope there... effort- a different thing #ukedchat
Act as you say you will - you should model the good behaviour you expect
Creativeedu 20:20
#ukedchat
@Natty08 @mattlovegrove #ukedchat i think this has been mentioned -

the welcome given is so important. it mightn't seem so to us, but it is
VG RT @Natty08 I always reinforce what some1 else is doing righ: saying

Janshs 20:20
how they are doing it! Not just that they are doing it #ukedchat
Avoid confrontation; keep voice low; smile; stay calm; big up the
janeyk419 20:20
positives; follow it up with parents/pastoral #ukedchat
@mattlovegrove Yes! I think that w/ my pupils: our convo might be the

MrsThorne 20:20
only 1 they have w/ an adult that day, it can't just be -ve #ukedchat

NickiA10 20:20
sure CKs can access and are challenged always pays off. Agree?
RT @curricadvocate: #ukedchat. Who shld U expect supp frm when

philallman1 20:20 behaviour is regularly below par frm the same pupil?<those up the food
chain!
MissSMitch 20:21 pinched secret student from #theclassroom experiment #ukedchat
RT @Natty08: ive done that before current head wld not lk that!<she's
philallman1 20:21
not having 2 deal with it! #ukedchat
â€œ@mattlovegrove: #ukedchat laugh a child who was having a tantrum

LouiW 20:21
would stop him from doing it. Awful and humiliating.--> Awful!!!!
Creativeedu 20:21 @DeputyMitchell talk don't shout sounds like a top tip #ukedchat
WRT respect, if I'm proved wrong, I will apologise to the student

ICTtower 20:21
#ukedchat
@Ideas_Factory exactly why you have to be honest and do what you say.
john_at_muuua 20:21
no empty talk. #ukedchat
sorry - this one! RT @philallman1: I've removed all other kids from room
Catriona_O 20:21
before today!#ukedchat Ken Rogers
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talked and didn't shout. I took that as a compliment - I don't mind having
that reputation! #ukedchat 2/2
@MissSMitch Sounds a good idea... I don't want to introduce too many

amyxxx21 20:21
beh. management strats at the moment - fear of overload #ukedchat
If there is 1 ss who is causing probs, having them removed (2/3 lessons)

sfrench21 20:21
allows u 2 build relationships w/ rest of class #ukedchat
#ukedchat agree with @jowinchester: teachers get cross with 16yo as

pkainsworth 20:21
would with an adult but they are children who've grown up 2quickly
MissSMitch 20:21 Ken Rogers is a legend #ukedchat
MrsThorne 20:21 @janeyk419 agree that differentiation is key too #ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:21 @philallman1 #ukedchat define up the food chain!!
RT @philallman1: sarcasm is definitely a no no #ukedchat Can be

ICanTeach_uk 20:21
constructive if used carefully! 4 over 16s only!! or even over 40s!!
@mattlovegrove that is dreadful advice! So humiliating and negative!

GillDeCosemo 20:21
#ukedchat
philallman1 20:21 @Catriona_O Which one? #ukedchat
I never raise my voice it does no good my children get shouted at all day
Natty08 20:22
at home #ukedchat
RT @NickiA10: RT @Natty08: My real issue is when 'challenging child'

NickiA10 20:22
kicks off ... deal with it consistently, behaviour contracts #ukedchat
we are grown ups and should realise that we dont need to win so called
sciencelabman 20:22
arguments, stay calm and follow procedures. #ukedchat
can or does sport, physical team games help with behaviours. a lot can
Iris_Connect 20:22
learnt from and within a team. #ukedchat
Our former head-teacher bored challenging behaviour children with an

colport 20:22
hour long child psychology session. Failed #ukedchat (@DeputyMitchell )
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RT @john_at_muuua: confound expectations. I ask students to 'step
MrsThorne 20:22
outside' to receive rewards as well as sanctions #ukedchat < great idea!
@amyxxx21 definately - stick what what works for you - if u believe in it

MissSMitch 20:22
so will they - probably my biggest lesson :) #ukedchat
should you treat a child's behaviour different if you know the cause is e.g.
Creativeedu 20:22
a bereavement? #ukedchat
@ICanTeach_uk @philallman1 #ukedchat have to disagree on age. when

relationships are carefully built, sarcasm can b effectively used at UKS2
RT @Creativeedu: Act as you say you will - you should model the good
ICanTeach_uk 20:22
behaviour you expect #ukedchat def agree!
@DeputyMitchell recntly had a note slid under my door (presumbly to

Janshs 20:22
the 2 stdts inside "trust Moreland" ;-) ukedchat
Use traffic light smileys to assess kids understanding and to find out when
mbrayford 20:23
they are ready. The kids love using them #ukedchat
@IRIS_Connect only when we teach leadership, cooperation and

DrAshCasey 20:23 responsibility...there are a lot of implict assumptions about sport
#ukedchat
RT @Natty08: no time for me to intervene! I have spoken to her so has

colport 20:23
head etc etc - no change! How do I prempt that? #ukedchat
RT @janeyk419: Avoid confrontation; keep voice low; smile; stay calm;

sciencelabman 20:23
big up the positives; follow it up with parents/pastoral #ukedchat
#ukedchat Its all about relationships-build them with all children-esp

Ideas_Factory 20:23
those with more challenging behaviours-they've always got a reason.
@ICanTeach_uk @philallman1 sarcasm works once you've established

john_at_muuua 20:23
yourself and the kids 'get' you. before that it leads to conflict #ukedchat
@MissSMitch Does Secret Student work? Do they respond by

Laura_987 20:23
encouraging other to behave well? #ukedchat
@DeputyMitchell Ha! Unfortunately, I gained a reputation for being very

ICTtower 20:23
strict in our dept when younger, still trying to shake!#ukedchat
@ICanTeach_uk agree totality about sarcasm, seen it used too much and
JoanneC23 20:23
children are so confused by #ukedchat
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@Catriona_O Didn't realise I'd done a tried and tested - was preserving
philallman1 20:23
life at the time! #ukedchat
RT @NickiA10: #ukedchat Differentiation! Time spent planning to make

GillDeCosemo 20:23
sure CKs can access and are challenged always pays off. Agree?< agree!
@curricadvocate @ICanTeach_uk @philallman1 sarcasm could change

VGoodyear 20:24
the teacherstudent relatioship if not careful
@sfrench21 @Laura_987 I was wondering the same thing! 'what is a

Creativeedu 20:24
secret student' #ukedchat
@raff31 mmm maybe, spose as DH I see more stdtseverday than other

Janshs 20:24
staff, good point, thx #ukedchat
Agree @philallman1 sarcasm works once you've established yourself and

ICTtower 20:24
the kids 'get' you. before that it leads to conflict #ukedchat
@philallman1 see - really believe that the best practice is grounded in

Catriona_O 20:24
theory #ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:24 RT @MissSMitch: Ken Rogers is a legend #ukedchat winky face-
#ukedchat Trouble is that many of my clas see any attention as good -

amyxxx21 20:24
positive or negative! Tricky one to deal with! Any tips?
@Ideas_Factory #ukedchat. agree always got a reason. we also need to

remember we are the adults, and we are trained to deal with behaviour
DeputyMitchell 20:24 @ICTtower Sometimes you need that too! Detail matters!! #ukedchat
sfrench21 20:24 @Laura_987 What is secret student? #ukedchat
RT @curricadvocate: @ICanTeach_uk @philallman1 #ukedchat have to

jowinchester 20:24 disagree on age. when relationships are carefully built, sarcasm can b
effectively used at UKS2
Releationships, prempting and reinforcing good behaviour is what is

Natty08 20:24
coming though so far! #ukedchat
worriedthat trainee tchrs stress abt behaviour mangmnt & TEI's R caving
Catriona_O 20:24
in offering modules on it. It's NOT divorced from LEARNING!#ukedchat
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@Creativeedu #ukedchat Yes, absolutely. Back to treating students as
janeyk419 20:24
you'd want to be treated isn't it?
@VGoodyear @ICanTeach_uk @philallman1 #ukedchat i guess that asks

another question. Howshould the teacher-pupil relationship be defined?
#ukedchat Look at the pace of your lessons - this can sometimes help to
sfrench21 20:25
stop low level disruption.
@DeputyMitchell talk and don't shout. What a great reputation to have!

GillDeCosemo 20:25
#ukedchat
@Laura_987 don't get me wrong - they still have off days - but its a nice
MissSMitch 20:25
way for them to see they are on a learning team #ukedchat
RT @GillDeCosemo: RT @NickiA10: #ukedchat Differentiation! >How

NickiA10 20:25
manykids misbehave due to boredom/work too hard?
@IRIS_Connect Almost always. Although there are often chn with all the
RealLara 20:25
support in the world who still seem to struggle to behave #ukedchat
@DeputyMitchell I sometimes still hear from other teachers "I

ICTtower 20:25
threatened to send him to you if he didn't behave"! #ukedchat
Q? How wd you want a teacher to treat your own child? Treat any child
ICanTeach_uk 20:25
as if it were your own. U are in loco parentis. QED #ukedchat
@sciencelabman absolutely - there's no glory in winning an argument

MrsThorne 20:25
with a child ;) #ukedchat
RT @Catriona_O: worriedthat trainee tchrs stress abt behaviour

McLaughlin_Andy 20:25 mangmnt & TEI's R caving in offering modules on it. It's NOT divorced
from LEARNING!#ukedchat
#ukedchat Haha, am listening to my new times table CD whilst

amyxxx21 20:25
participating in ukedchat! How sad...
Janshs 20:25 @DeputyMitchell yes I thought so ;-) #ukedchat
@Laura_987 yes as they have to get the point. They cheer for the person
MissSMitch 20:25
who gets the point and all suffer if they don't. #ukedchat
RT @curricadvocate: @philallman1 #ukedchat define up the food chain!!

philallman1 20:25
CT>NEXT>DHT>HT. There has to be a chain of consequence.
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@kbrechin making the lesson interesting to the majority is most teachers
ICanTeach_uk 20:26
priority - hard to cover the minority - skill needed #ukedchat
RT @NickiA10: RT @GillDeCosemo: RT @NickiA10: #ukedchat

Natty08 20:26 Differentiation! >How manykids misbehave due to boredom/work too
hard? <--indeed!
I wonder when classroom management turns from 'Control' to

tonycassidy 20:26
'Controlling', then sparks the challenging behaviour #ukedchat
@Catriona_O and not just trainees! I know a couple of Fully Qual'd

McLaughlin_Andy 20:26
teachers who's biggest fret is behaviour rather than learning! #ukedchat
#ukedchat keeping calm, talking to child, ensuring they know rules, using
LouiW 20:26
phrases like choosing to behave, and as a conseq this will happen
ICTtower 20:26 @mbrayford Ours hate it! #ukedchat
@john_at_muuua #ukedchat And be Consistant-set the boundaries early

Ideas_Factory 20:26
& stick to them-bad teachers let bad behaviour slide
#ukedchat 'always have something +ve to say to the students - if that's

kbrechin 20:26
difficult , tell them you like their socks' -Spence Rogers
@philallman1 #ukedchat chain is good. what should the support from the
HT/DHT look like? how early should parents be involved?
RT @blowtheblues: Important to build self esteem not crush it when

Natty08 20:27
dealing with any but esp. with challenging pupil #ukedchat <-- indeed!
colport 20:27 RT @frogphilp: Smack the naughty child http://post.ly/17vFp #ukedchat
RT @tonycassidy I wonder when classroom management turns from

Janshs 20:27 'Control' to 'Controlling', then sparks the challenging behaviour
#ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: Act as you say you will - you should model the good
kbrechin 20:27
behaviour you expect #ukedchat
RT @Natty08: Releationships, prempting and reinforcing good behaviour

filmclubuk 20:27
is what is coming though so far! #ukedchat
#ukedchat Nothing worse than a teacher who controls behviour through

RealLara 20:27
fear. Doesn't help long term - terrible legacy for next teacher
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RT @sfrench21: #ukedchat Look at the pace of lessons - this can help to
mr_chadwick 20:27
stop low level disruption < Agree; and pitching work at right level
@Creativeedu @sfrench21 > Idea is they all behave and encourage

Laura_987 20:27 others to behave because it could be them. Whole class rewarded
'ukedchat
RT @kbrechin: #ukedchat 'always have something +ve to say to the

NickiA10 20:27
students - if that's difficult , tell them you like their socks' -Agree
RT @Ideas_Factory: @john_at_muuua #ukedchat And be Consistant-set

john_at_muuua 20:27
the boundaries early & stick to them-bad teachers let bad behaviour slide
#ukedchat interesting how differently a Yr 6 class are treated when they

jowinchester 20:27
become yr 7 - have observed this in several schools...
Don't make empty threats that you cannot follow through on!
Natty08 20:27
#ukedchat
@Catriona_O agree behaviour is linked to learning changing the way

VGoodyear 20:27
students learn can change their behaviour espec with CK #ukedchat
can anyone tell me how to turn the bottom right notification thing off on
Creativeedu 20:27
seesmic. driving me crazy during constant #ukedchat updates
Important to build self esteem not crush it when dealing with any but
blowtheblues 20:27
esp. with challenging pupil #ukedchat
RT @colport have spoken to her so has head etc etc - no change! How do
philallman1 20:27
I prempt that? #ukedchat<any things predicating behaviours?
#ukedchat - so how many people do shout when needed? Does anyone. I

mattlovegrove 20:27
sometimes raise my voice, but not shout. Very very rare tho
#ukedchat To what extent do we use whole school policies/approaches?

janeyk419 20:27
Do students know "if I do x then y will happen in ALL lessons"?

MoreThanMaths 20:27
sure CKs can access and are challenged always pays off. Agree? <-Yes!
RT @darynsimon: are many of you using restorative justice to deal with

Natty08 20:28
challenging behaviour? #ukedchat <-- tell me more!
Catriona_O 20:28 @McLaughlin_Andy I agree Andy ~ukedchat and @VGoodyear you too!
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Perhaps its best to consider how we can adapt our behaviour to promote
tonycassidy 20:28
more suitable behaviour from students #ukedchat
For those who don't know about the secret student, it was shown on this
ICTtower 20:28
programme: http://is.gd/gp0cL #ukedchat
@janeyk419 all the time. ours are so simple...1 2 3 that we all know
john_at_muuua 20:28
them. #ukedchat
are many of you using restorative justice to deal with challenging

darynsimon 20:28
behaviour? #ukedchat
Q: Is it important for a whole school to adhere to one policy or are the

Creativeedu 20:28
challenges too different across depts? #ukedchat
@blowtheblues crushing self esteem could make them worse/ withdraw

VGoodyear 20:28
more #ukedchat
@Laura_987 @mr_thorne ...bob finds it easy so we reward for something

JoanneC23 20:28
else, if children understand why then won't think it unfair #ukedchat
@ICanTeach_uk #ukedchat -Iexpect my children to enjoy an entitlement

Catriona_O 20:28
to education not involving them being shouted at
Slightly self-indulgent post about some of my experiences: Smack the

frogphilp 20:29
naughty child http://t.co/tYtf9oa via @frogphilp #ukedchat
RT @Catriona_O: #ukedchat -Iexpect my children to enjoy an

ICanTeach_uk 20:29 entitlement to education not involving them being shouted at - SO
TRUE!!!
#ukedchat Remaining positive and remembering it's not personal is

RealLara 20:29
helping me with my current (looked after) challenging child
RT @RealLara: #ukedchat Nothing worse than a teacher who controls

Natty08 20:29
behviour through fear. Doesn't help long term <-- nope it does not!
RT @john_at_muuua: sarcasm works once you've estd yourself and the

ICanTeach_uk 20:29
kids 'get' you. before that it leads to conflict #ukedchat with care!!!
@mattlovegrove I often shout but only when people are a long way
futurebehaviour 20:29
away and I need to catch their attention ;) #ukedchat
@mattlovegrove - I've got a loud voice. kis know they've gone too far
lisibo 20:30
when i'm quiet! #ukedchat
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RT @tonycassidy: Perhaps its best to consider how we can adapt our
john_at_muuua 20:30
behaviour to promote more suitable behaviour from students #ukedchat
RT @reallara: #ukedchat Nothing worse than a teacher who controls

Iris_Connect 20:30
behviour through fear. Doesn't help long term - terrible legacy 4 next
@futurebehaviour #ukedchat - I hate shouting. But sometimes a firm

mattlovegrove 20:30
tone does the job.
RT @futurebehaviour: @mattlovegrove I often shout but only when

john_at_muuua 20:30 people are a long way away and I need to catch their attention ;)
#ukedchat
majority of learners still have traditional perception of whats 'proper'

John_Pallister 20:30
learning - new methods/approaches somehow need 'currency' #ukedchat
@tonycassidy yep - does that not imply looking at learnignexperiences

Catriona_O 20:30
offered? Consideration of relevance and engagement? #ukedchat
@curricadvocate #ukedchat Parents involved at low level. Nothing shld

philallman1 20:30
come as a surprise. If U leave it 2 long U lose chance of support
@mattlovegrove #ukedchat your voice is a great asset! I don't shout,

LouiW 20:30
often lower it, far more effective
RT @Natty08: Don't make empty threats that you cannot follow through
lisibo 20:30
on! #ukedchat
@Creativeedu I think having a whole school policy definitely helps. That

Laura_987 20:30
way, they all know what Warning 1/Red light etc. means #ukedchat
RT @ICTtower: For those who don't know about the secret student, it
Natty08 20:30
was shown on this programme: http://is.gd/gp0cL #ukedchat
RT @RealLara: #ukedchat Nothing worse than a teacher who controls

lisibo 20:30 behviour through fear. Doesn't help long term - terrible legacy for next
teacher
Some days, no matter what you do or say, your CKs will be ... challenging!
That's OK. Start tomorrow with a clean slate #ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: Very imp to show a consistent approach so all know

NickiA10 20:30
that x happens if in a, b, c class #ukedchat
VGoodyear 20:31 VGoodyear Vicky Goodyear
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tonycassidy 20:31 @Catriona_O agreed #ukedchat
this is *it*RT @tonycassidy Perhaps its best 2 consider how we can adapt
Janshs 20:31
our behaviour promote more suitable beh'r from stdts #ukedchat
RT @lisibo: @mattlovegrove - I've got a loud voice. kis know they've

NickiA10 20:31
gone too far when i'm quiet! #ukedchat > is shouting wrong?
mr_chadwick 20:31 Going to watch Obama on Daily Show. Will keep an eye on #ukedchat
@Natty08 @darynsimon #ukedchat have used restorative justice

curricadvocate 20:31 regularly to deal with pupil-pupil disputes. get in early b4 'bully'
mentioned
I don't see the issue in showing your emotions, - i.e. a reactionary shout,
tonycassidy 20:31
we're human as well, yes its not the best way- #ukedchat
RT @LouiW: @mattlovegrove #ukedchat your voice is a great asset! I

jowinchester 20:31
don't shout, often lower it, far more effective
@Creativeedu Q: Is it important for whole school to adhere to one

MrsThorne 20:31 policy? <- BehavMgt such a personal thing; pragmatism necessary
#ukedchat
@mattlovegrove #ukedchat had 1 4yr old only responded to shouting

mrswaustin 20:31
when he 1st arrived. That was all he knew. Took ages to teach him (1/2)
@Natty08 we currently don't use it but it is sometihing I am interested in.

darynsimon 20:31
It's a conflct resolution process used in prisons #ukedchat
@Creativeedu #ukedchat I think consistency across school is vimportant.

janeyk419 20:31
We all like to know where we stand.
@mattlovegrove #ukedchat teach him I meant what I said even if I

mrswaustin 20:32 wasn't shouting. took a while but knows by my tones of voice not
volume!
@mrswaustin #ukedchat - that's a shame. Shouting doesn't work, and

mattlovegrove 20:32
can have the opposite effect
#ukedchat sorry only just joined but I really agree with the relationship
narthernlad 20:32
comments!
Laura_987 20:32 @Mr_Thorne @JoanneC23 It's a tricky one! #ukedchat
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By this I mean, we are professional- but prone to mistakes- just explain
tonycassidy 20:32
your behaviour, apologise- move on... #ukedchat
ICTtower 20:32 Interesting comments on shouting so far #ukedchat
Build in dignified and valid opportunities for children with short attention
JoanneC23 20:32
span to take a short break eg deliver msg to class 1 #ukedchat
#ukedchat QUESTION; what do the pupils see as challenging behaviour. is

it different. would this change our response?
RT @tonycassidy: I don't see the issue in showing your emotions, - i.e. a

john_at_muuua 20:32 reactionary shout, we're human as well, yes its not the best way-
#ukedchat
@lisibo #ukedchat. That's really interesting. I often speak very quietly to

mattlovegrove 20:32
whole-class as I do feel it sets the tone.
@mattlovegrove Raising your eyebrows in a "what are you doing?"

colport 20:32
manner can do the trick sometimes #ukedchat
@tonycassidy indeed and how we can adapt the teaching I believe

VGoodyear 20:32
#ukedchat
@curricadvocate #ukedchat AGE and SARCASM - my 2 year old gets

ICanTeach_uk 20:32
sarcasm but we have a relationship - advocating care and caution
@Creativeedu @sfrench21 I've not tried it myself but @misssmitch has

Laura_987 20:32
and said that it worked for her. #ukedchat #secretstudent
GillDeCosemo 20:32 RT @frogphilp: Smack the naughty child http://post.ly/17vFp. #ukedchat
RT @IaninSheffield: Start tomorrow with a clean slate #ukedchat

RealLara 20:32
Absolutely. Sometimes start next interaction with a clean slate helps!
Some schools I have worked with have "Relationship" policies instead of

"Behaviour Manangement" polices. #ukedchat
This is probably more applicable to the start of the year, but it's amazing
sfrench21 20:33
the power of knowing the ss names has on behaviour #ukedchat
RT @jowinchester: #ukedchat laughter is also a powerful tool and can be

lisibo 20:33 used skilfully to diffuse a powerful and emotive situation before it
escalates
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'controlling' behaviour = lion taming..... teaching = providing/supporting
learning environment, with clear/shared expectations #ukedchat
re Restorative Justice, very popular topic for us ATM, teachers report

Creativeedu 20:33
great success with it http://bit.ly/aSJmgv #ukedchat
RT @Natty08: Don't make empty threats that you cannot follow through
tonycassidy 20:33
on! #ukedchat
#ukedchat laughter is also a powerful tool and can be used skilfully to

jowinchester 20:33
diffuse a powerful and emotive situation before it escalates
@ICanTeach_uk #ukedchat Absolutely agree. the relationship is the

crucial factor. I would never use sarcasm with a pupil who didn't trust me
I've found that my voice has gotten quieter with experience, hardly ever
ICTtower 20:33
shout anymore but do use silence more often #ukedchat
RT @janeyk419: @Creativeedu #ukedchat I think consistency across

kbrechin 20:33
school is vimportant. We all like to know where we stand.
#ukedchat nothing wrong with a raised voice in the right context and *in
philallman1 20:33
control*. Out of control is obvious and has no effect.
@tonycassidy totally agree. we are not 'whispering teachers' we are

john_at_muuua 20:33
human, and can get annoyed! #ukedchat
Are we overlooking the non-challenging kids who we might not be

DrAshCasey 20:33
challenging or enganging? Is this a worse case senario chat? #ukedchat
@ludolicks put #ukedchat in a search and follow people who tweet stuff
EduVulture 20:34
that interests/inspires
RT @Creativeedu: re Restorative Justice, very popular topic for us ATM,

darynsimon 20:34
teachers report great success with it http://bit.ly/aSJmgv #ukedchat
some amazing editing skills required this evening - well done everyone
ICanTeach_uk 20:34
#ukedchat
Agreed! > RT @jowinchester #ukedchat laughter is a powerful tool + can

filmclubuk 20:34
be used skilfully to diffuse a powerful situation before it escalates
#ukedchat - I had to apologise to my class when I told them that our

mattlovegrove 20:34
teeth are made from bone. Found out later that they weren't
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RT @colport: @mattlovegrove Raising your eyebrows can do the trick
MrsThorne 20:34
#ukedchat <- have perfected the 1-brow trick, key in my repertoire ;)
RT @mattlovegrove: #ukedchat - telling a class that you made a mistake

john_at_muuua 20:34
is very poweful. It shows that you're a human too,
RT @DrAshCasey: Are we overlooking the non-challenging kids who we

NickiA10 20:34 might not be challenging or enganging? #ukedchat > can't be bothered
kid?
I teach them how to vary tone and volume for effect. They expect me to
john_at_muuua 20:34
do the same. #ukedchat
Can I make a plea for teachers to abandon going ssshhhhhhhhhhh- to

tonycassidy 20:34
silence a class?- pet hate #ukedchat
RT @curricadvocate: #ukedchat Absolutely agree. the relationship is the

philallman1 20:34
crucial factor never use sarcasm with a pupil who didn't trust me
LouiW 20:34 #ukedchat The Teacher Stare is fab!!!
#ukedchat - telling a class that you made a mistake is very poweful. It

mattlovegrove 20:34
shows that you're a human too,
The best book I have ever read is Assertive Discipline by Lee Canter -
Natty08 20:34
really works #ukedchat
@tonycassidy I think being able to apologise is the *key* - have done

Janshs 20:34
when needed (more than once I'm afriad ;-) ) #ukedchat
RT @colport: @mattlovegrove Raising your eyebrows in a "what are you

sccenglish 20:34
doing?" manner can do the trick sometimes #ukedchat
DrAshCasey 20:35 @tonycassidy sure...if you can explain why #ukedchat
a lot in the SEAL bit - lots, lots more than just the transfer of knowledge +
skills development #ukedchat
RT @LouiW: #ukedchat The Teacher Stare is fab!!! Oh indeed, the I've

NickiA10 20:35
gone too far stare!
@mattlovegrove - exactly right thing to do. We need to be honest about

lisibo 20:35
our mistakes and model 'mature' behaviour #ukedchat
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RT @mattlovegrove: #ukedchat - telling a class that you made a mistake
JoanneC23 20:35
is very poweful. It shows that you're a human too,
not best placed 2 contribute hre I no, but believe it's impossible 2 dissoc.
Catriona_O 20:35
behaviour & learning. Anyone seen waiting 4 superman?#ukedchat
RT @tonycassidy: Can I make a plea for teachers to abandon going

NickiA10 20:35
ssshhhhhhhhhhh- to silence a class?- pet hate #ukedchat Drives me mad!
GillDeCosemo 20:35 Agree with @IaninSheffield Start each day with a clean slate. #ukedchat
philallman1 20:35 RT @LouiW: #ukedchat The Teacher Stare is fab!!!<you got the look!
@curricadvocate the nonCK may agree with our percept get anoyd with
VGoodyear 20:35 peer behav the CK maynot undertsand their actions all the time
#ukedchat
RT @john_at_muuua: I teach them how to vary tone and volume for
Natty08 20:35 effect. They expect me to do the same. #ukedchat <--- yes that is
important
The town where I work is trying to become a Restorative Justice town, I

MrsThorne 20:36
think. Interesting concept on such a big scale #ukedchat
#ukedchat I always apologise to kids if I'm in the wrong. Shows you

philallman1 20:36
respect htem and their feelings
Has anyone got any behaviour issue they need immediate help with while
Natty08 20:36
you have a concentrated audience - no judging! #ukedchat
The problem with whole school structures is that sometimes it is

tonycassidy 20:36
necessary to bend the policy to be inclusive to the child #ukedchat
@sccenglish @colport @mattlovegrove again, vital to establish your

john_at_muuua 20:36
personality. then you can behaviour manage with a look! #ukedchat
@tonycassidy What should we do instead of 'shhhhhhh'. Should we all

mattlovegrove 20:36
'Lmmmmmmm' instead? heeh #ukedchat
@philallman1 #ukedchat. Agree on parents early. strong tool for pupils to

see that you are working together and supporting each other!
RT @tonycassidy: it is necessary to bend the policy to be inclusive to the

NickiA10 20:37
child #ukedchat But that is adaptation to needs of kids
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RT @NickiA10: RT @tonycassidy: Can I make a plea for teachers to
lisibo 20:37 abandon going ssshhhhhhhhhhh- to silence a class?- pet hate #ukedchat
Drives me mad!
RT @philallman1: #ukedchat I always apologise to kids if I'm in the

Natty08 20:37
wrong. Shows you respect htem and their feelings <-indeed!
@LouiW #ukedchat The Teacher Stare is fab!! <- I had a PGCE target once
MrsThorne 20:37
to perfect my Teacher Stare :)
#ukedchat I think with challenging pupils, humour and a fair application

sharland 20:37
of structure helps keep them in line but also show u can listen
RT @philallman1: @tonycassidy #ukedchat No policy has 100% coverage.

tonycassidy 20:37
That should be part of the policy!
@NickiA10 @tonycassidy shhhhh is a vital part of our repertoire. but

john_at_muuua 20:37
avoiding repetition is more important than banning a sound! #ukedchat
@Catriona_O I agree behav management strategies often solve short

VGoodyear 20:37
term, how learning takes place solves long term #ukedchat
sccenglish 20:37 With experience, the teacher's stillness can do the trick. #ukedchat
Does each ck react the same with each teacher. sharing experiences
Iris_Connect 20:37
within the school finding out what works. #ukedchat
@tonycassidy #ukedchat No policy has 100% coverage. That should be

philallman1 20:37
part of the policy!
Wouldn't a 'situation simulator' be great? Like a flight simulator that

pilots use. Make your mistakes, learn and get better #ukedchat
I found that shouting was possibly the only tool I had in 1st post- Soon
experience takes over & respond to situations differently #ukedchat
#ukedchat for my most challenging classes I cut out the 'whole class
kbrechin 20:37
teacher talk bit' - they can't handle it! Just get round group by group
long term fix but we teach about behaviour i.e. maslow's hierarchy to
MissSMitch 20:37
give students appropriate language to discuss issues calmly #ukedchat
Amen,Ivor the engineRT @tonycassidy Can I make a plea for teachers to

EduVulture 20:37
abandon going ssshhhhhhhhhhh- to silence a class?- pet hate #ukedchat
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Think Fast, Act Slowly is one of the best tips I have heard. It requires
Creativeedu 20:37
some forward planning and slow breathing! #ukedchat
@DrAshCasey sssshhhh, ssssshhh, ssssshhh, sssssshhhh, sssshhhh, like a

tonycassidy 20:37
leaky tire #ukedchat
I have only really shouted at my students 3 or 4 times in the last 15 years,

muppetmasteruk 20:37
do occasionally raise my voice #ukedchat
RT @JoanneC23: Build in dignified and valid opportunities for children

danniisgreat 20:37 with short attention span to take a short break eg deliver msg to class 1
#ukedchat
@deafdotty @natty08 #ukedchat I use smelly stickers!!! Works wonders,

LouiW 20:37
would be gutted if I couldn't use them!!!
@GillDeCosemo @IaninSheffield Teachers need to be more professional

colport 20:37
than hold grudges with pupils, no matter how tough it can be #ukedchat
@VGoodyear yeah - it's the how and the WHAT of learning tho'
Catriona_O 20:38
#ukedchat
Wouldn't 'situation simulator' be great? Like a flight simulator that pilots

lisibo 20:38
use. Make yr mistakes, learn and get better #ukedchat <Love it!
RT @john_at_muuua: @NickiA10 @tonycassidy shhhh but avoiding

NickiA10 20:38
repetition is more important #ukedchat Agree + using it 2 often kills it
Your voice is a powerful tool - pratise using it :) Loud, soft, low,

Natty08 20:38
disappointed etc etc #ukedchat
@tonycassidy: bend the policy to be inclusive to the child - agree bt this

MissSMitch 20:38
can let other teachers down who are still developing #ukedchat
@JoanneC23 but then that may encourage them to be naughty as they

VGoodyear 20:38
know they get a change to leave class rewarding poor behav? #ukedchat
@futurebehaviour Are there 3 reasons why children don't follow

svenhall 20:38 instrucs?1 don't understand 2 chose not to 3 are unable to #ukedchat
#edchat
#ukedchat "there's no such thing as bad behaviour, only bad teaching".

janeyk419 20:38
Not sure of source, fav quote of HT I used to work with.
#ukedchat children see teachers who dont shout as different, and again
narthernlad 20:38
its the relationship thing.
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RT @ianinsheffield: Some days, no matter what you do or say, your CKs
MoreThanMaths 20:38 will be ... challenging! That's OK. Start tomorrow with a clean slate
#ukedchat
@MrsThorne @colport @mattlovegrove you can't see my eyebrows so

DebbieSwan 20:38
this doesn't work for me (I am blonde)#ukedchat
@LouiW Do the stickers have calming chemicals in them? LOL #ukedchat -

colport 20:38
I'd buy them!
RT @philallman1: #ukedchat I always apologise to kids if I'm in the

john_at_muuua 20:38
wrong. Shows you respect htem and their feelings
RT @philallman1: RT @LouiW: #ukedchat The Teacher Stare is fab!!!<you

lisibo 20:38
got the look!
@sccenglish With experience, the teacher's stillness can do the trick.

john_at_muuua 20:39
#ukedchat again, if they know who we are. it works
RT @janeyk419: #ukedchat "there's no sch thing as bad beh., only bad

philallman1 20:39
tching".,fav quote of HT I used 2 work w/.<and untrue!
@MrsThorne @LouiW #ukedchat - I also use moving around the

lisibo 20:39
classroom to stand next to people works well....
RT @sccenglish: With experience, the teacher's stillness can do the trick.

jowinchester 20:39
#ukedchat
@Natty08 @philallman1 I would have never have done that as a young

DrAshCasey 20:39
teacher...now I always put my hand up and 'fess up' #ukedchat
The reward in class is 50 cubes and a class party but everyone has to go
Natty08 20:39
over and beyond! Hard on well behaved chn. #ukedchat
RT @VGoodyear: @Catriona_O I agree behav management strategies

MissSMitch 20:39 often solve short term, how learning takes place solves long term
#ukedchat
GillDeCosemo 20:39 @Natty08 I stopped using stickers etc last year and like it. #ukedchat
RT @DrAshCasey: @tonycassidy other strategies? I got told not to whistle

Creativeedu 20:39 by one of my students. she said she wasn't a dog & didn't need the
prompt #ukedchat
@tonycassidy Re: no shhh- yes. Loads of wasted language like this: "How
many times have I told you?" "Too noisy!" etc #ukedchat
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tonycassidy 20:39 @MissSMitch @EduVulture it is the challenge.... #ukedchat
RT @sccenglish: With experience, the teacher's stillness can do the trick.

MrsThorne 20:39
#ukedchat
@tonycassidy other strategies? I got told not to whistle by one of my

DrAshCasey 20:39
students. she said she wasn't a dog & didn't need the prompt #ukedchat
RT @tonycassidy: Can I make a plea for teachers to abandon going shush

ICanTeach_uk 20:40
#ukedchat its the 'mummy' factor
When I was at school, I had a teacher who put badly behaved kids head
Creativeedu 20:40
first in the bin! #ukedchat
RT @JoanneC23: Must remember every day is a new day, might go home

Mr_Thorne 20:40 pulling hair out but start with a good morning and a smile for every child
#ukedchat
kbrechin 20:40 @ianinsheffield - like the X-Men 'danger room - love it!!' #ukedchat
@Natty08 Your voice is a powerful tool - pratise using it :) Loud, soft, low,
john_at_muuua 20:40
disappointed etc etc #ukedchat <absolutely :-)
@mattlovegrove #ukedchat yes. Wished his parents could receive same

mrswaustin 20:40
level of intervention!!! Would that've stopped his challenging beh???
RT @lisibo: Wouldn't 'situation simulator' be great? Like a flight simulator

jowinchester 20:40 that pilots use. Make yr mistakes, learn and get better #ukedchat <Love
it!
RT @lisibo: @MrsThorne @LouiW #ukedchat - I also use moving around

Natty08 20:40
the classroom to stand next to people works well.... <--EXCELLENT
Must remember every day is a new day, might go home pulling hair out
JoanneC23 20:40
but start with a good morning and a smile for every child #ukedchat
@janeyk419 agree bad teaching or not developed, altered, aware of

VGoodyear 20:40
different learning strategies? #ukedchat
alternatives to shhhhhh: significant attention grab = take the 'floor'

/space with something 'better' than what they want to do #ukedchat
RT @GillDeCosemo: @Natty08 I stopped using stickers etc last year and

Natty08 20:40
like it. #ukedchat <-- has plus and cons.
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tonycassidy 20:40 @DrAshCasey love that! #ukedchat
@tonycassidy made me think about whistling I can tell you (and put me
DrAshCasey 20:41
in my place) #ukedchat
RT @lisibo: anyone joining #ukedchat want to help lisibo Jr with his ICT
amandasalt 20:41 hwk by posting on http://bit.ly/dASzy3 or tweeting impt tips for esafety.
Ta xx
@DeputyMitchell surprised to hear Y2 more challenging than Y6 - in what

Creativeedu 20:41
way? #ukedchat
@Catriona_O indeed a challenge i changed pedagogy LT class behaviour

VGoodyear 20:41
significantly improvd from a very chalenging class #ukedchat
@janeyk419 #ukedchat "there's no such thing as bad behaviour, only bad

john_at_muuua 20:41
teaching" really? one kid hitting another is bad teaching?

theminniemoo 20:41 pulling hair out but start with a good morning and a smile for every child
#ukedchat
#ukedchat - my class love stickers. I don't use them too often though -
mattlovegrove 20:41
but they are seen as being a reward
@lisibo Yes - I'll stand by them, and if that doesn't work, I'll say, "I'm
MrsThorne 20:41
standing right by you, take the hint!" #ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:41 Try not to speak for a lesson- #ukedchat
#ukedchat alternatives to shhh - a footie chant but stop early - the kids
jowinchester 20:41
will finish it you have their attention

Laura_987 20:41 pulling hair out but start with a good morning and a smile for every child
#ukedchat
alternatives to shhhhhh: I do a countdown to silence to give kids 5 second

lisibo 20:41
to quieten #ukedchat
Funny that I had to radically change my behaviour strategies when I

moved from Y6 to Y2! Much more challenging!!! #ukedchat
@colport #ukedchat I don't know but they'll do anything for one!!!

LouiW 20:41
Jellybeans, allsorts, mint, ice-cream!!! They love 'em!!!
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@tonycassidy @MissSMitch we wrote a policy as a safety net, not an
EduVulture 20:41
instruction manual #ukedchat
A quiet word in an ear can achieve lots also - between you and the child
Natty08 20:41
not a telling off in front of everyone #ukedchat
Put 2 finger on chin- wait. Chn recognise this as I'm waiting but you have
blowtheblues 20:42
to establish routine first. Infact routines basis of all#ukedchat
RT @narthernlad: @lisibo I got told off by a HT for moving around the

narthernlad 20:42
classroom in an observation once! #ukedchat
@lisibo My counting down from 5 can go one for a good 30 seconds!

colport 20:42
LOL! #ukedchat
#ukedchat remove child from their target audience. Starve them from
philallman1 20:42
the oxygen of publicity!
Positive relationship with the child. You can dislike the behaviour
sellyeve 20:42
without rejecting the child. #ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: Think Fast, Act Slowly is one of the best tips I have
GillDeCosemo 20:42
heard. It requires some forward planning and slow breathing! #ukedchat
@VGoodyear Important not to make point they r leaving because of

JoanneC23 20:42
behaviour, use before they begin to loose control or attention #ukedchat
Laura_987 20:42 @jowinchester I like that one #ukedchat
@DeputyMitchell lol - must admit I prefer yr 9 last thing on a Fri to yr R

jowinchester 20:42
first thing on a monday! #ukedchat
@philallman1 #ukedchat I love the fact that when I shout everyone is

RealLara 20:42
shocked - I almost never do it. I agree for the need to 'fake' a shout
@DeputyMitchell What a brilliant CPD opportunity for you and other

colport 20:42
teachers, check challenging behavious at different ages #ukedchat
RT @Natty08: A quiet word in an ear can achieve lots also - between you
mattlovegrove 20:42
and the child not a telling off in front of everyone #ukedchat
DIfferentation, positioning, voice, rewards, caring, knowing the child,

Natty08 20:42
realtionships, consistant, firm, fair. - anything else? #ukedchat
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Mr_Thorne 20:42
I often use a countdown, even if just using my fingers and no voice

ICTtower 20:42
#ukedchat
RT @Mr_Thorne: RT @JoanneC23: Must remember every day is a new

NickiA10 20:42
day #ukedchat > start evy teaching session as a new day, works wonders.
GillDeCosemo 20:42 @tonycassidy leaky boiler syndrome! #ukedchat
RT @ICTtower: I often use a countdown, even if just using my fingers and

ICanTeach_uk 20:43
no voice #ukedchat that and a good stare at key individuals
@mattlovegrove find cute stamps are even better! got some in Malaysia,
john_at_muuua 20:43
VERY funky Engrish! they love em #ukedchat
theminniemoo 20:43
LesLinks 20:43 Hi.. Leslie (@Leslinks) in Ireland here.. interesting subject. #ukedchat
Role play - give students situations in teacher's position and then discuss
MissSMitch 20:43
as a class - lots of fun and good reflective tool #ukedchat
@mattlovegrove i haven chime that sounds when it gets too noisy. Saves
primarypete_ 20:43
your voice and less annoying than shh #ukedchat
Lots of tips tonight, tried to put some on a wall, please add to it!
ICTtower 20:43
http://is.gd/gp1xE #ukedchat
I think Charlie Leadbetter gives a GR8 perspective on innovation,

Catriona_O 20:43 motivation &reasons for turning up at schoolhttp://bit.ly/cFVsP8
#ukedchat
RT @Mr_Thorne: RT @Natty08: A quiet word in an ear can achieve lots

NickiA10 20:43
also - #ukedchat gently saying name or standind behind kid
monietoteach 20:43 @JoanneC23 Totally agree. Need to start fresh #ukedchat
@tonycassidy did that & it worked but only after 7 weeks of turning the
DrAshCasey 20:43
learning environemnt ove to the kids and planning (lots) #ukedchat
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I teach adults.....I have found myself very very occasionally asking them
to shussh #ukedchat and to watch their language
RT @filmclubuk: Teachers say the informal space of a club improves

pedanticdave 20:44
relationships back in the classroom - could ths help behaviour? #ukedchat
Important not to bear grudges, take it personally or write off the kid
MrsThorne 20:44
#ukedchat
Humour I think is extremely important... some good ideas in a book 'The

LesLinks 20:44
laughing classroom'... #ukedchat
Use duty, dinner and extra-curricular activities to build relationships with

tonycassidy 20:44
students outside the classroom #ukedchat
RT @TUYKs: Effective relationships need rules- written or unwritten.

graza 20:44
#ukedchat
@VGoodyear as opportunity for them to re focus and centre then return

JoanneC23 20:44
to class, good for Adhd #ukedchat
@MissSMitch student centred approaches are key, ownership of their

VGoodyear 20:44
own learning #ukedchat
@tonycassidy Try not to speak for a lesson- #ukedchat... it works. give

john_at_muuua 20:44
them control and great things happen
@mattlovegrove I'm using a little bell on my teaching practice. It works

misslpitkethly 20:44
great, the class all stop & listen. #ukedchat
One thing about behvaiour management strategies is that they are all
colport 20:44
personal to the teacher and need developing (1/2) #ukedchat
@Creativeedu In Year 2 many don't know any better - very low level stuff
but and quite difficult to use humour! #ukedchat
@lisibo #ukedchat agree with your countdown approach - we try to have

kbrechin 20:44
a whole school 'quality audience' countdown and it works pretty well
RT @philallman1: #ukedchat remove child from their target audience.

Natty08 20:44
Starve them from the oxygen of publicity! <--- excellent
NickiA10 20:44 #ukedchat clapping a rhythm, how many do this?
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#ukedchat Importance of looking after yourself to make sure you're in a
RealLara 20:44
position to make all the choices that make the difference
Use proximity, both in your class positioning and from across the room to
EduVulture 20:44
praise a kid near a miscreant! #ukedchat
@DeputyMitchell As 2ndary tchr found same thing when taught Y5/6 in

MoreThanMaths 20:44
feeder schls last year. Balance of care: learning v. different #ukedchat
RT @RealLara: #ukedchat look after yourself to make sure you're in a

MissSMitch 20:45
position to make all the choices that make the difference - true
What about using Student Voice as a tool when the rest of the class is
Creativeedu 20:45
being disrupted by a minority? #ukedchat
RT @grahamcullen: Clap a brief rhythm which the children then clap

Natty08 20:45
back. #ukedchat
#ukedchat - some staff also use tambourines or a triangle hanging from

lisibo 20:45
the ceiling to get attention
I warn (teaching) students to obs my strategies, but not to copy them.

colport 20:45
They work for me - we need to develop own repertoire (2/2) #ukedchat
ABSOLUTELY! RT @philallman1: #ukedchat remove child from their target

ICTtower 20:45
audience. Starve them from the oxygen of publicity!
@Natty08 @philallman1 try to avoid public confrontation/humiliation

john_at_muuua 20:45
#ukedchat
Oh, and who needs ssshhhh when there's the teacher "ERM!" I
MrsThorne 20:45
accidentally used it on some kids in the street last weekend.... #ukedchat
@tonycassidy and watch sports, plays, concerts, art exhibs etc etc and
Janshs 20:45
comment on them #ukedchat
@Natty08 oh...yes...public humiliation or private chat...take the latter

DrAshCasey 20:45
everytime #ukedchat
sellyeve 20:45 @MrsThorne definitely! #ukedchat
LesLinks 20:45 @MrsThorne Ya I agree... #ukedchat
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RT @mattlovegrove: @futurebehaviour #ukedchat - I hate shouting. But
Mr_Thorne 20:45
sometimes a firm tone does the job. <==== here. here
@NickiA10 - we do that at school but kids aren't quick enough to drop

lisibo 20:45
their pens to clap! #ukedchat
ICTtower 20:46 @colport Agreed #ukedchat
@muppetmasteruk I think teaching some adults can be very rude

colport 20:46
(phones, chatting etc.), even during CPD events #ukedchat
pedagogy: lot of traditional class/classroom management issues being

explored; what about the personalised learning environment #ukedchat
@LesLinks as a man in a girls' school, a sense of humour makes lessons

john_at_muuua 20:46
really work. #ukedchat
I find analysing self esteem can be a good way of dealing with challenging
frogphilp 20:46
behaviour. Here's a form I use. http://bit.ly/dkWEHP #ukedchat
LesLinks 20:46 @MrsThorne Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii #ukedchat
#ukedchat Agree about using lunch etc. Duty is great opportunity for
janeyk419 20:46
informal chats about what's going on in lessons. Unthreatening too.
@NickiA10 #ukedchat shows how personal strategies can be. rhythm

clapping makes me feel i should be in a football stadium. drives me nuts
RT @john_at_muuua: @Natty08 @philallman1 try to avoid public

philallman1 20:46
confrontation/humiliation #ukedchat< I try never to reprimand in public!
RT @NickiA10: #ukedchat clapping a rhythm, how many do this? I do - it

MissSMitch 20:46
avoids kids being shouted out for genuinely not hearing
@LesLinks I thinking laughing at yourself on occasion is important

DrAshCasey 20:46
#ukedchat
#ukedchat if ss don't stop when made it obvious that u want them to

sfrench21 20:46
....try talking to yourself - they often think i'm crazy but works!
Damn LATE again! Assuming by quick glance topic of #ukedchat is

ebd35 20:46
challenging children?
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#ukedchat No Sssshhh'in but don't use the pathetic hold your hand up
MoodleDan 20:46
and wait for every kid in the class to hold there hand up.
@john_at_muuua @DrAshCasey once said/typed I'd lost my voice and

tonycassidy 20:46 typed all instructions, questions and answers on the whiteboard-
#ukedchat
MrsThorne 20:46 @LesLinks Helloooo! #ukedchat
RT @MrsThorne: Oh, and who needs ssshhhh when there's the teacher
lisibo 20:46 "ERM!" I accidentally used it on some kids in the street last weekend....
#ukedchat
@JoanneC23 risky!could end up with jelousy from other students should

VGoodyear 20:46
we not be encourag 2stay in the classroom want 2be there #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:46 @muppetmasteruk quite right too!!! #ukedchat
Choice and consequence on second reminder of appropriate behaviour

blowtheblues 20:46
#ukedchat
@Janshs the y7's who return, partic the quiet ones often say that the
raff31 20:47
teachers don't know who they are #ukedchat
@tonycassidy @john_at_muuua thinking on your fingertips...like it

DrAshCasey 20:47
#ukedchat
there is a bit of a half term feel about #ukedchat tonight!! Not for me -
Catriona_O 20:47
but chapeau to all you dedicated educators doing this in yr hols!
if you're having problems with a/group of ss behaviour wise, & you know
sfrench21 20:47
they behave in another lesson, go and observe. #ukedchat
On an earlier #ukedchat I said that Id phone one parent a week this yr,
tonycassidy 20:47
have done and the response has been great so fat #ukedchat
RT @VGoodyear: @MissSMitch student centred approaches are key,

john_at_muuua 20:47
ownership of their own learning #ukedchat
RT @colport: @muppetmasteruk I think teaching some adults can be

lisibo 20:47
very rude (phones, chatting etc.), even during CPD events #ukedchat
LesLinks 20:47 @MrsThorne I think humour is very important... #ukedchat
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@pedanticdave Thanks for RT. Teachers can show another side in after-
filmclubuk 20:47
school activities that can help respect in formal lessons #ukedchat
EduVulture 20:47 If using IWB change background colour as class get louder #ukedchat
RT @tonycassidy: I don't see the issue in showing your emotions, - i.e. a

sharland 20:47 reactionary shout, we're human as well, yes its not the best way-
#ukedchat
RT @MissSMitch: Role play - give students situations in teacher's position

JoanneC23 20:47
and then discuss as a class - lots of fun and good reflective tool #ukedchat
sellyeve 20:48 consistency & fairness v. important too. #ukedchat
oh dear RT @colport @muppetmasteruk I think teaching some adults can

Janshs 20:48
be very rude (phones, chatting etc.), even during CPD events #ukedchat
You need to behave and model how you want your children to behave!
Natty08 20:48
DOn't tell them off for not saying thankyou if you don't etc #ukedchat
#ukedchat - that singing thing may not work in Sec schools! I teach 6/7
mattlovegrove 20:48
year olds
RT @MissSMitch: RT @NickiA10: #ukedchat clapping a rhythm, how

NickiA10 20:48
many do this?> clapping different rhythms till all join in. Lets all join in
#ukedchat Also try to reflect problems away from student "I'm sorry, I
janeyk419 20:48
obviously didn't explain that properly" etc
@colport @muppetmasteruk - oh so agree re adults! we had discussion

lisibo 20:48
at staff meeting about talking during PDMs and how rude it is #ukedchat
#ukedchat - I sometimes sing when I'd like their attention - they join in.
mattlovegrove 20:48
Then I say 'I'd never win X-factor would I' hehe
#ukedchat any advice for a PGCE student starting first proper teaching
egalr 20:48
next week with challenging year 6 class?
RT @graza: RT @TUYKs: Effective relationships need rules- written or

jowinchester 20:48
unwritten. #ukedchat >unwritten I really hope
I whisper REALLY REALLY softly Works like a dream with a class of EBD
ebd35 20:49
boys #ukedchat
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RT @Natty08: You need to behave and model how you want your
MissSMitch 20:49
children to behave! #ukedchat Bsic rule forgotten by too many
Very rarely remove whole class' playtime. Most are trying. Why should a
blowtheblues 20:49
few spoil it for them? #ukedchat
RT @raff31: @Janshs the y7's who return, partic the quiet ones often say
jowinchester 20:49
that the teachers don't know who they are #ukedchat <sad but true
@LesLinks With kids I know well, a little gentle teasing will often break
MrsThorne 20:49
the tension. If we can all have a chuckle, perfect #ukedchat
#ukedchat good manners works a treat. Thanks, sorry, please, hold the
NickiA10 20:49
door open...
@John_Pallister The suggestion though is to centre the learning on the

DrAshCasey 20:49
child not the teaching on the teacher. not so traditional #ukedchat
excuses... instead of writing 10 times 'I will not..' ask to write the most
LesLinks 20:49
improbable excuse they can think of... and then share #ukedchat
#ukedchat do you know the kids names in all your classes by now? I keep
kbrechin 20:49
emphasising the importance of that to new teachers.
#ukedchat what systems do you have in your school for peer support
from colleagues for dealing with challenging behaviour?
john_at_muuua 20:49 @egalr let them know who you are. #ukedchat
RT @colport I think teaching sme adults cn B vry rude (phones, chatting

philallman1 20:49
etc.), even during CPD events #ukedchat< lk my old Director of CS
@DrAshCasey @Natty08 public hummilitaion encourages future poor

VGoodyear 20:49 behaviour(revenge) private chat resolves the situation(sometimes!)
#ukedchat
RT @raff31: @Janshs the y7's who return, partic the quiet ones often say
NickiA10 20:49
that the teachers don't know who they are #ukedchat Ones 2 watch 4
ukedchat 20:49 Only ten minutes remain for #ukedchat
told some young teenage lads off for swearing in the park,dont think they
had been told off before,back it up a with a shaved head #ukedchat
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RT @colport: One thing about behvaiour management strategies is that
danniisgreat 20:49
they are all personal to the teacher and need developing (1/2) #ukedchat
RT @Natty08: We have a responsibility to support the teacher struggling

lisibo 20:50 with the challenging child - dont say they weren't like that for me
#ukedchat
RT @deafdotty: @Mr_Thorne I start putting my hands on head, shoulders

Mr_Thorne 20:50
etc, praise those who see this and copy #ukedchat << == same! :)
@mattlovegrove sometimes I sing. "Whyyyy....are you not listening....to

MrsThorne 20:50
meeee!" it works sometimes! #ukedchat
@mattlovegrove #ukedchat yep it works with 6th form too - depends on

jowinchester 20:50
your confidence as teacher of course ;-)
@mattlovegrove: #ukedchat - maybe not singing, but a blast of loud

ZoeRoss19 20:50
music works well :)
amyxxx21 20:50 Just made a behaviour ladder - children can move both ways #ukedchat
Janshs 20:50 @Natty08 agreed, and open doors etc #ukedchat
@Janshs @colport @muppetmasteruk #ukedchat and some of the most

challenging groups i have taught has been a room full of HTs!!
@egalr be prepared. Seek advice. Stand up for what you believe in. Have
DrAshCasey 20:50
fun. #ukedchat
Having a place/person who can be a 'safe place/person to decompress

LesLinks 20:50
with' helps... #ukedchat
RT @lisibo: I think teaching some adults can be very rude (phones,

ICanTeach_uk 20:50
chatting etc.), even during CPD events #ukedchat AGREE
@curricadvocate support is good but fearful if ownership of CK is taken

VGoodyear 20:50
from classteacher student sees teacher as cant control thm #ukedchat
We have a responsibility to support the teacher struggling with the

Natty08 20:50
challenging child - dont say they weren't like that for me #ukedchat
To understand how technology can enhance learning - teach naked (no

CliveBuckley 20:50
technology) #elearning #ukedchat
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RT @DrAshCasey: I think expectations are vital - your's of them and theirs
clarindabrown 20:50
of you - once these are settled then stick to them. #ukedchat
ICTtower 20:50 So much for my wall, won't load anymore- thanks wallwisher! #ukedchat
@Mr_Thorne I start putting my hands on head, shoulders etc, praise

deafdotty 20:50
those who see this and copy #ukedchat
@lisibo @colport @muppetmasteruk I told staff off, it's bloody rude!

EduVulture 20:50
Always the ones who go mad about rude kids #ukedchat
Janshs 20:50 @curricadvocate jut started a coaching system #ukedchat
cdibble 20:50 @Mr_Thorne 2 very relevant comments thank you #UKedchat
@philallman1 @Janshs @lisibo It's a difficult area to raise with people.

colport 20:50
Discussion shifts to 'challenging adults' in #ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:50 @egalr be consistent #ukedchat smile
RT @egalr: #ukedchat any advice for a PGCE student starting first proper
DrAshCasey 20:50
teaching next week with challenging year 6 class?
Catriona_O 20:51 @ICanTeach_uk @john_at_muuua hats off to you all! #ukedchat!
RT @philallman1: @colport challenging kids tend to have challenging

Creativeedu 20:51
parents - discuss! #ukedchat
Janshs 20:51 @raff31 ouch! #ukedchat
& before I forget - dont forget 2 look at wht the barriers 2 learning
Catriona_O 20:51
actually R in the 1st place #ukedchat http://bit.ly/9RJnQZ
â€œ@NickiA10: #ukedchat good manners works a treat. Thanks, sorry,

kbrechin 20:51
please, hold the door open...â€•AGREE - the power of modelling
RT @philallman1: @colport challenging kids tend to have challenging

colport 20:51
parents - discuss! #ukedchat (!)
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RT @clarindabrown: RT @DrAshCasey: I think expectations are vital -
ebd35 20:51 your's of them and theirs of you - once these are settled then stick to
them. #ukedchat
Has anyone used PEER COURTS? Again a popular new topic for us
Creativeedu 20:51
http://bit.ly/ai2vgX #ukedchat
@colport challenging kids tend to have challenging parents - discuss!

philallman1 20:51
#ukedchat
@philallman1 We (the staff)used to get told off for talking in

mattlovegrove 20:51 assembly!Staff were asking the kids to be quiet, then nattered away
#ukedchat
#ukedchat ALWAYS treat any and every child with respect otherwise I
ebd35 20:51
believe you will not get their respect.
ICTtower 20:51 @LesLinks Writing lines not allowed at my school #ukedchat
RT @Natty08: We have a responsibility to support the teacher struggling

GillDeCosemo 20:51 with the challenging child - dont say they weren't like that for me
#ukedchat
8 minutes left - anyone anything they need help with or want to discuss?
Natty08 20:52
time is a going :( #ukedchat
Q what is more powerful - rewarding good behaviour or punishing bad?

Creativeedu 20:52
#ukedchat
@philallman1 I have found that some challenging pupils have weak

colport 20:52
parents, who set no boundaries in lives hence the challenge! #ukedchat
RT @DrAshCasey: I think expectations are vital - your's of them and theirs

sellyeve 20:52
of you - once these are settled then stick to them #ukedchat
RT @amyxxx21: Just made a behaviour ladder - children can move both

ianinsheffield 20:52 ways #ukedchat <- & how about ppls deciding where their behvr puts
them?
RT @ICTtower @LesLinks Writing lines not allowed at my school

ebd35 20:52
#ukedchat Allowed at mine.
RT @ICanTeach_uk: RT @lisibo: I think teaching some adults can be very

ZoeRoss19 20:52
rude (phones, chatting etc.), even during CPD #ukedchat AGREE <x2!!
@VGoodyear back again quickly but in a way that is not seen as reward,
JoanneC23 20:52
they are doing a job or something helpful for you #ukedchat
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#ukedchat How many don't give kids chance to redeem selves? Remove
NickiA10 20:52
golden time, can they earn it back? Too often no
RT @deafdotty: @Mr_Thorne I start putting my hands on head, shoulders

MissSMitch 20:52
etc, praise those who see this and copy #ukedchat Love it
@missthorn.. ya... giggles work better than frowns... defuses... when to

LesLinks 20:52
serious it can lend power to the negative... keep light #ukedchat
RT @colport: RT @philallman1: @colport challenging kids tend to have

anhalf 20:52
challenging parents - discuss! #ukedchat (!)
#ukedchat How do I deal with two challenging children who keep calling
monietoteach 20:52
out?
Great #ukedchat tonight but I almost burned dinner & now must go & eat
MrsThorne 20:53
it before it gets fed to the cat! Looking forward to the transcript.
@DrAshCasey always important to keep sight of the learning

environment, + keep perspective on the teaching #ukedchat
@MrsThorne: @mattlovegrove singing rocks it distracts for a moment

MissSMitch 20:53
and lets everyone giggle - clean slate to complete lesson #ukedchat
RT @Natty08: 8 minutes left - anyone anything they need help with or

NickiA10 20:53
want to discuss? time is a going :( #ukedchat 2 asd kids, both bright
@VGoodyear #ukedchat support (rather than handing over/ taking over)

doesn't have to be loss of control. same message can depersonalise
@philallman1 @colport what do you do when a parent is ill mannered on

john_at_muuua 20:53
parents evening and the kid isn't? #ukedchat mobile phones.
RT @CliveBuckley: To understand how technology can enhance learning -

RLN6343 20:53
teach naked (no technology) #elearning #ukedchat
@IaninSheffield That's a good idea! Maybe at end of lesson asking where

amyxxx21 20:53
they think they should be #ukedchat
@VGoodyear understand what u mean tho, def no going to stand outside

JoanneC23 20:53
because of bad behaviour etc #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:53 this has been the fastest hour ever! (My first #ukedchat )
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@Creativeedu Some schools need a culture shift to get rid of the 'top of
the tree' attitude taken by whole year groups sometimes! #ukedchat
@Natty08 "dont say they weren't like that for me " - absolutely - even
MoreThanMaths 20:53
though it may be true! CK not always chall in every class #ukedchat
does current curriculum actively prevent us from dealing with kids in a

philallman1 20:53
way that reduces poor behaviour? #ukedchat
RT @ianinsheffield: RT @amyxxx21: Just made a behaviour ladder -

Janshs 20:53 children can move both ways #ukedchat <- & how about ppls deciding
where their behvr puts them?
LesLinks 20:53 @ebd35 Very cool.... you'd be surprised how many still do... #ukedchat
RT @Catriona_O: & before I forget - dont forget 2 look at wht the barriers
VGoodyear 20:53
2 learning actually R in the 1st place #ukedchat http://bit.ly/9RJnQZ
How different should your expectations be for kids with SEN - esp EBD?
Creativeedu 20:54
#ukedchat
@MrsThorne Bet cat is looking for tasty tidbits!!! mine do same... ;-D
LesLinks 20:54
#ukedchat
@primarypete_ mm I do sometimes go into Basil Fawlty mode (in a nice

Janshs 20:54
way), hide under table etc #ukedchat
cdibble 20:54 @Ideas_Factory sorry no room to add #ukedchat
@john_at_muuua @philallman1 I think i would cut the session short

colport 20:54
#ukedchat
DrAshCasey 20:54 #ukedchat that was my school lines - "never did me any good"
RT @EduVulture: If using IWB change background colour as class get

i_am_seamus 20:54
louder #ukedchat
RT @primarypete_: Has anyone mentioned the power of humour in

Natty08 20:54
behaviour m? Esp to defuse conflict. #ukedchat
#ukedchat Challenging kids/parents. Often,not always. Often parents are

janeyk419 20:54
despairing and looking for support and advice. Sometimes not!!
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ebd35 20:54 #ukedchat Be very clear with expectations and stick with them.
@colport I didn't specify in what way parents were challenging!

philallman1 20:54
#ukedchat
few things r more distressing 2 a well regulated mind than 2 see a boy
DrAshCasey 20:54 who ought 2 know better disporting himself @ improper mmnts
#ukedchat
Has anyone mentioned the power of humour in behaviour m? Esp to

primarypete_ 20:54
defuse conflict. #ukedchat
@Natty08 @primarypete_ er... yes. it works. but is it different for girls?

john_at_muuua 20:55
#ukedchat
RT @John_Pallister: @DrAshCasey always important to keep sight of the

DrAshCasey 20:55
learning environment, + keep perspective on the teaching #ukedchat
20:53 Too late to really join ukedchat. I'll never get up to speed. Looking
chris_1974 20:55
forward to summaries.
@monietoteach ignore them when the door and be effusive with praise
EduVulture 20:55
for kids who put hands upon #ukedchat
@Missemma136 buy a mirror and talk into it! It comes with time find
Natty08 20:55
someone who is good in school and watch them! #ukedchat
TOK "turning motivation into the new rock n roll and making going to
Tree_Of 20:55
school cool again" S6 pupil, St Ambrose High #ukedchat
What you pay attention to is what you get more of. Focus on gd beh and
blowtheblues 20:55
you will get it.Focus on bad beh ......etc #ukedchat
RT @john_at_muuua: @colport wht do U do when a parent is ill

philallman1 20:55 mannered on prnts eve & the kid isn't? #ukedchat mobile phones.<be
thankful!
@colport but is that not why school is great? The boundaries can be as
Catriona_O 20:55
clear as we want them to be #ukedchat
@ebd35 #ukedchat Be very clear with expectations and stick with them...
john_at_muuua 20:55
woah! deja vu!
@Janshs #ukedchat does coaching suggest one is more experienced?

who coaches the teacher at U3? (devil's advocate - use coaching too)
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RT @janeyk419: #ukedchat Challenging kids/parents. Often,not always.
jowinchester 20:55 Often parents are despairing and looking for support and advice.
Sometimes not!!
One last thing: if you're in the SW, #TMBristol is in less than 2 weeks! Sign
MrsThorne 20:55
up here WWW.teachmeet.org.uk #ukedchat
RT @ebd35: #ukedchat Are there children in your class who never get
NickiA10 20:56
the rewards? Just think how it must feel to be them? ;o( V sad indeed
sellyeve 20:56
the rewards? Just think how it must feel to be them? ;o(
I always found a behaviour display very useful! Sounds twee but moving
names around is great at Primary level! When moving #ukedchat 1/2
RT @john_at_muuua: @Natty08 @primarypete_ er... yes. it works. but is

Natty08 20:56
it different for girls? #ukedchat <-- in what way?
RT @blowtheblues: What you pay attention to is what you get more of.
Focus on gd beh and you will get it.Focus on bad beh ...etc #ukedchat
@Catriona_O Pupils really respect boundaries. It gives them a sense of

colport 20:56
safety IMHO #ukedchat
#ukedchat Are there children in your class who never get the rewards?
ebd35 20:56
Just think how it must feel to be them? ;o(
@curricadvocate aha good point, surely the coach leans just as much? :-)
Janshs 20:56
#ukedchat
@ebd35 seen that on prize giving when the winners far outnumber the
DrAshCasey 20:57
also rans - not a great message. #ukedchat
JoanneC23 20:57
the rewards? Just think how it must feel to be them? ;o(
@philallman1 #ukedchat now the issue of curriculum is a really powerful

question. will it become more disparate with more autonomy from gove
@curricadvocate agreed, the terms of support are essential as much as

VGoodyear 20:57
the support being there. some may see duty to tak over #ukedchat
futurebehaviour 20:57 @svenhall I think you're right. #ukedchat
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#ukedchat bold & not without issues but video playback so they can
i_am_seamus 20:57
review their own behaviour.
from class to class like some teachers do I created a display on smart

notebook and used that where ever I went! #ukedchat
RT @frogphilp: My top tips for challenging children http://post.ly/17vcN

colport 20:57
#ukedchat
Classroom set up - is it set in a way that it is easy for disruption or is it set

Natty08 20:57
in a way that will limit it? #ukedchat
RT @ianinsheffield: RT @blowtheblues: What you pay attention to is

Janshs 20:57 what you get more of. Focus on gd beh and you will get it.Focus on bad
beh ...etc #ukedchat
blowtheblues 20:57 Better still focus on the learnin rather than beh. #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:57 @ebd35 yep - don't like behaviourist approaches #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:57 Closing thoughts for #ukedchat ?
RT @colport: @Catriona_O Pupils really respect boundaries. It gives them

sellyeve 20:57
a sense of safety IMHO #ukedchat
Natty08 20:58 Any last thoughts? 2 mins left! #ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:58 @Janshs #ukedchat agree - in a well defined learning culture!!
The most important day of my school career so far, thank you TOK S4
Tree_Of 20:58
pupil, Kelso High #ukedchat #bringingsomethingdifferent
RT @frogphilp: #ukedchat - you've got my fingers blistering tonight: My

GillDeCosemo 20:58
top tips for challenging children http://t.co/5oRldDL via @frogphilp
@creativeedu no different at all! The way in which they are achieved;

caroljallen 20:58
the route to learning and the time required might vary tho #ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: it seems that you need to be consistent, respectful and

GillDeCosemo 20:58 flexible in how you use your armoury of behaviour management tools
#ukedchat
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So annoyoed I have written a blog post on this but blog not yet live
Creativeedu 20:58
please follow for the post next week! #ukedchat
@Creativeedu #ukedchat my behaviour expectations are same for

jowinchester 20:58
everyone in the class - this is not 1-2-1 tuition and it works
SandraTweet 20:58 @colport I agree! In this way they can become independent learners
VGoodyear 20:58 @JoanneC23 yes agreed, stops learning altogether #ukedchat
and whilst you're all here, Mr Thorne Does Phonics Schools-friendly

Mr_Thorne 20:58
relaunch Sunday 7pm, free literacy vids #ukedchat #shamelessplug :) :)
@colport exactly - and we can do that for them in schools really well.
Catriona_O 20:58
Needs to go alongside development & understanding of values#ukedchat
@Natty08 @primarypete_ me as a man in a girls' school, it works, and

john_at_muuua 20:58
does for all the men. the women seem more serious #ukedchat
@blowtheblues agree... also can 'interpret' students behaviour in as

LesLinks 20:58
much as you can as 'not intentionally bad'... #ukedchat
RT @DeputyMitchell: I always found a behaviour display very useful!

NickiA10 20:58
#ukedchat Can but some still dont take note
#ukedchat - you've got my fingers blistering tonight: My top tips for

frogphilp 20:58
challenging children http://t.co/5oRldDL via @frogphilp
it seems that you need to be consistent, respectful and flexible in how

Creativeedu 20:58
you use your armoury of behaviour management tools #ukedchat
@VGoodyear #ukedchat and this is why behaviour man policies should be

discussed regularly and used to influence and promote good practice
DrAshCasey 20:59 closing thoughts - challenge the challenging and the compliant #ukedchat
RT @frogphilp: @Natty08 Classroom setup is key for many autistic

NickiA10 20:59 children. #ukedchat Too many dont take note of this though, training is
key
@JoanneC23 Ya... I think that aknowledging effort is a good way... crosses

LesLinks 20:59
all abilities and talents... rather than prizes #ukedchat
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9pm BBC3 - former colleague has moved in with a challenging student.
MoreThanMaths 20:59
Wonder if it'll inspire or just look like TV fakery? #ukedchat
Janshs 20:59 @curricadvocate that's the key isn't it? #ukedchat
RT @Mr_Thorne: and whilst you're all here, Mr Thorne Does Phonics

GillDeCosemo 20:59 Schools-friendly relaunch Sunday 7pm, free literacy vids #ukedchat
#shamelessplug :) :)
@curricadvocate who knows. concern is didactic ways will be seen as

philallman1 20:59
*the way* when clearly it isn't! #ukedchat
@IaninSheffield @blowtheblues focus on ALL behaviour. we're teaching

john_at_muuua 20:59
them about life, not just good and bad. #ukedchat
Janshs 20:59 Thanks @Natty08 and all, for #ukedchat
closing thoughts - challenge the challenging and the complicant

DrAshCasey 20:59
#ukedchat
@Natty08 Classroom setup is key for many autistic children. Keep things
frogphilp 20:59
square and neat with limited information. #ukedchat
cdibble 20:59 @Ideas_Factory couldn't agree more #ukedchat
Rt â€œ@i_am_seamus: #ukedchat bold & not without issues but video

JoanneC23 20:59
playback so they can review their own behaviour.â€•
<good idea!
Natty08 21:00 Ok guys that is it for the week - thanks for the chat :) #ukedchat
Many thanks to @Natty08 for hosting #ukedchat this evening. The

ukedchat 21:00
archive will be pulled at 9.15. Thanks for your participation
Lastly...talk to colleagues if you are struggling with behaviour - it helps!!

ZoeRoss19 21:00
#ukedchat
EduVulture 21:00 Closing? Be yourself, kids can tell! #ukedchat
@MrsThorne started it ;-) so can I shoutout for #tmsheff10 NQT Edn 2

weeks tonight http://bit.ly/cqIGmG . Maybe we'll jump in to #ukedchat
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I think we need to develop emotional intelligence and values to crack this
Catriona_O 21:00
one #ukedchat
ICanTeach_uk 21:00 Interesting stuff - thanks everyone #ukedchat
@VGoodyear just noticed I was way behind and replying to u in strange

JoanneC23 21:00
order! Sorry if I made no sense ;) #ukedchat
philallman1 21:00 Never give up on any child! #ukedchat
RT @frogphilp: #ukedchat - you've got my fingers blistering tonight: My

caroljallen 21:00
top tips for challenging children http://t.co/5oRldDL via @frogphilp
frogphilp 21:00 @Creativeedu Agree - I couldn't help go blog crazy tonight! #ukedchat
@frogphilp great blog post! esp re SEN behaviour mgt

Creativeedu 21:00 http://frogphilp.posterous.com/my-top-tips-for-challenging-children
#ukedchat
RT @Catriona_O:we can do that for them in schools really well. Needs to

colport 21:00
go alongside development & understanding of values #ukedchat
@Natty08 Oh no I forgot it was Thursday! I blame half term- so sorry I

greeninkuk 21:00
missed #ukedchat!
@curricadvocate policies are important but I feel it is essentially down to

VGoodyear 21:01
the teacher and their learning environment #ukedchat
NickiA10 21:01 #ukedchat that was quick but good. Too much for a holiday to take in!
@frogphilp @Natty08 Classroom setup key for many children. Keep

ebd35 21:01
areas of movement clear of conjestion! Stops MANY probs #ukedchat
Thanks everyone! Really enjoyed my first #ukedchat and found some

Creativeedu 21:01
great people to follow (new to twitter) same time next week! x
john_at_muuua 21:01 RT @EduVulture: Closing? Be yourself, kids can tell! #ukedchat
ICanTeach_uk 21:01 RT @philallman1: Never give up on any child! #ukedchat LOVE IT
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@philallman1 Oh so agree never give up on them... they will surprise
LesLinks 21:01
you.. especially if they find even one person who 'believes' #ukedchat
despite the half term feel, this has been a surprisingly united discussion.
john_at_muuua 21:01
thanks guys! have a great evening! #ukedchat
ICTtower 21:01 RT @EduVulture: Closing? Be yourself, kids can tell! #ukedchat
#ukedchat Imagine what it would be like to be in your class if you were

RealLara 21:01
that child. Some chn instinctively don't want to conform
@Creativeedu will get booed, but my last Yr7s loved the naughty chair,
jennah1000 21:01
with points for everyone else #ukedchat
RT @philallman1: Never give up on any child! #ukedchat SOOOOO HEAR

Catriona_O 21:01
HEAR!!
JoanneC23 21:02 @Natty08 thanks, lots of good ideas and tips #ukedchat
consider you teaching and how the students learn before placing the
VGoodyear 21:02
blame on their behaviour #ukedchat
Creativeedu 21:02 RT @ebd35: Closing thought.... Like the kids #ukedchat
ebd35 21:02 Closing thought.... Like the kids #ukedchat
@MissSMitch @MissSMitch @MrsThorne @mattlovegrove and loud!

EduVulture 21:02
#ukedchat
NickiA10 21:02 #ukedchat thanks for hosting @natty08 enjoyed that (I think!)
@frogphilp But that doesn't necessarily work for others. Have to get a
RealLara 21:02
balance #ukedchat
philallman1 21:02 #ukedchat Enjoyed that! Might have to do it again!
MissSMitch 21:02 @Natty08 thanks for hosting - lots of ideas bubbling now :) #ukedchat
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kbrechin 21:02 #ukedchat closing thought - be a coach, not a critic.
I posted some tips from tonight on this wall, feel free to add (if it works!)
ICTtower 21:02
http://is.gd/gp1xE #ukedchat
RT @ICTtower: RT @EduVulture: Closing? Be yourself, kids can tell!

ebd35 21:02
#ukedchat
#ukedchat Last thoughts - no child sets out in life to be challenging.

frogphilp 21:02
Compassion is key to success in behaviour management.
@jowinchester something we do all the time at home. Have yr 7 9 11

cdibble 21:02
boys - and it works #ukedchat
JoanneC23 21:03 RT @kbrechin: #ukedchat closing thought - be a coach, not a critic.
johnmclear 21:03 @natty08 cake! #ukedchat
@reallara Agree - this is the real tension for including ASD children in the
frogphilp 21:03
mainstream classroom. #ukedchat
RT @frogphilp: #ukedchat Last thoughts - no child sets out in life to be

GillDeCosemo 21:03
challenging. Compassion is key to success in behaviour management.
Really really enjoyed this chat... very stimulating! do join #gtchat Fridays
LesLinks 21:03
if you get a chance.. 5:00pm or 12:00am(Sat.).. #ukedchat
sellyeve 21:03 @ebd35 so important! #ukedchat
Catriona_O 21:03 @Creativeedu it's great - evrey week as well - do't miss #ukedchat!
#ukedchat Not here next week. Am in Ireland working with teachers on

DrAshCasey 21:03
reflective practice, CPD and practitionnr reseach. looking forward 2 it
@VGoodyear #ukedchat Defining the policy in a way that allows

interpretation by all, but consistency of approach for pupils important
VGoodyear 21:04 @curricadvocate yes I agree a combination of the 2 #ukedchat
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My top tips for challenging children http://t.co/KANzF5j via @frogphilp
PoorParenting 21:04
inc ASD and Autism inspired by #UKEdChat
RT @ICanTeach_uk: RT @philallman1: Never give up on any child!

#ukedchat LOVE IT
RT @VGoodyear consider you teaching and how the students learn

DrAshCasey 21:04
before placing the blame on their behaviour #ukedchat <-- well said
@GillDeCosemo Compassion and humour... no heart touched by laughter

LesLinks 21:04
is ever as heavy as it once was.... #ukedchat
Mr_Thorne 21:04 clever clap to @Natty08 for hosting a great #ukedchat
RT @frogphilp: #ukedchat Last thoughts - no child sets out in life to be

RealLara 21:04
challenging. Compassion is key to success in behaviour management.
sellyeve 21:04 thanks to natty08 for hosting! #ukedchat
Natty08 21:04 RT @johnmclear: @natty08 cake! #ukedchat <-- what sort? Yes please :)
RT @Tree_Of: "The most important day of my school career so far, thank

cycleucan 21:05
you TOK" S4 pupil, Kelso High #ukedchat #bringingsomethingdifferent
RT @Tree_Of: TOK "turning motivation into the new rock n roll and
cycleucan 21:05
making going to school cool again" S6 pupil, St Ambrose High #ukedchat
@natty08 Thanks for hosting the #ukedchat. a great discussion as

always!!
Catriona_O 21:06 RT @kbrechin: #ukedchat closing thought - be a coach, not a critic.
I'm off to watch yesterday's Waterloo Road - challenging behaviour

Creativeedu 21:06
overload! #ukedchat
RT @frogphilp: - this is the real tension for including ASD children in the
Catriona_O 21:07
mainstream classroom. #ukedchat <V Diff sort of challenge tho>
RT @ebd35: #ukedchat ALWAYS treat any and every child with respect
vanyatm 21:07
otherwise I believe you will not get their respect.
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Looking at #ukedchat semi retrospectively. I sometimes shoosh and I
Kenny73 21:07
sometimes shout. I know some days I'll be on top, but others not. Human
Janshs 21:07 that's the one RT @ebd35 Closing thought.... Like the kids #ukedchat
@lisibo lots of tweets tonight reinforcing decision to do gtp next year esp
cdibble 21:07
concerning behaviour which mirror my own as parent #ukedchat
@Mr_Thorne @laura_987 sorry guys didn't notice ur replies in the flood

JoanneC23 21:08
of #ukedchat
Ya thanks to the hosts, and thanks for letting me jump in mid stream..
LesLinks 21:08
#ukedchat
RT @LesLinks: @GillDeCosemo Compassion and humour... no heart

GillDeCosemo 21:09
touched by laughter is ever as heavy as it once was.... #ukedchat
@LesLinks... also can 'interpret' students behaviour in as much as you can

blowtheblues 21:10
as 'not intentionally bad'... #ukedchat
Benny Bear competing with #ukedchat. The bear wins.

AntHeald 21:11
http://yfrog.com/htrvumj
RT @Janshs: that's the one RT @ebd35 Closing thought.... Like the kids
RealLara 21:11
#ukedchat So obvious - well said!
tonycassidy 21:12 Sorry- missed the end of #ukedchat talking to neighbours i.e. big society
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It is 8 o'clock I am your host for the evening remember the #ukedchat

Perhaps we should start with what people define as "challenging

Creativeedu 20:01 My first time participating in #ukedchat evening all!

Thanks all for ur gym encouragement! Am on my way now! @natty08 I'll

@Natty08 is NOW hosting #ukedchat "Top tips to deal with challenging

My top tip - consistency and consistency! Focus on the positives

RT @colport: Perhaps we should start with what people define as

With the majority of behaviour problems in class I phone home at the

Challenge them back. When I 1st engage in innovative practice I choose

ICTtower 20:03 @sfrench21 Crikey, that's our last resort! #ukedchat

are we talking about everything from low level disruption upwards?

john_at_muuua 20:04 avoid public confrontations. #ukedchat:

@amyxxx21 That's a great point - good behaviour has to gain as much

RT @NickiA10: #ukedchat challenging pupils=those who don't conform to

RT @ChrisGBaillie: @Natty08 the most challenging is the texting

@amyxxx21 I agree on consistency - your strategies have to work no

Define challenging pupils - changes depending on the class you've got!

I find it is my impulsive child with ADHD that causes me issues - him

#ukedchat Maybe it should be challenging behaviour, rather than

RT @philallman1: #ukedchat never forget we are the adults and

@Natty08 I agree that ADHD pupils are a challenge, as they seem to

NEVER treat students differently to how you would wish to be treated

RT @Natty08: RT @NickiA10: #ukedchat challenging pupils=those who

RT @Creativeedu: are we talking about everything from low level

ICTtower 20:05 @lisibo Done! #ukedchat

#ukedchat never forget we are the adults and professionals in the

RT @MissSMitch: small disruptions are like snowballs - catch them early

RT @Creativeedu: I think it's important to give clear instructions. Kids

RT @Mr_Thorne: how challenging a child is, can be subjective to the

RT @john_at_muuua: NEVER treat students differently to how you would

Difficult topic- be consistent- but as always relationship is key and a long-

RT @MissSMitch: small disruptions are like snowballs - catch them early

@MrsThorne that's a really interesting take on it 'behaviour is the

#ukedchat challenging children/challenging behaviour? it's the same as

My fave behaviour management rule is to remember that for the child,

tonycassidy 20:08 I think you have to see some of it as a 'game'- #ukedchat

#ukedchat Lots of *reasons* for challenging behaviours none should be

if a child in my class persistently acts up, i immediately reward all the

I think it's important not to take it personally too.Quickest way to

@colport @Natty08 Are all children diagnosed with ADHD actually

RT @tonycassidy: RT @MissSMitch: small disruptions are like snowballs -

RT @tonycassidy: RT @MissSMitch: small disruptions are like snowballs -

RT @Natty08: DO we think there is a difference between primary and

RT @tonycassidy: I think you have to see some of it as a 'game'-

#ukedchat think it is important that your boundaries remain the same.

ICTtower 20:09 @sfrench21 Then cal parents if problems persist. #ukedchat

RT @john_at_muuua: if you say you're going to do something, then do it.

RT @john_at_muuua: calm calm calm. but never make empty threats. if

@sfrench21 Perhaps I'm wrong but we have been led to believe we

currently editing a friends wedding video whils keeping an eye on

RT @mattlovegrove: #ukedchat - totally don't agree with don't smile until

@mattlovegrove How do you make a realtionship when they do not

RT @mattlovegrove: #ukedchat I find the best way of dealing with any

@NickiA10 the art is knowing your limitations, so never saying

@tonycassidy Interesting, but I choose not to play games where teachers

how do people cope with challenging behaviour with teaching adult

mattlovegrove 20:11 #ukedchat them, even if they don't care back.

RT @drashcasey: @Natty08 @colport Challenging Kids (CK) --- those who

@ICTtower If I have a student who has not responded to behaviour

RT @tonycassidy I think you have to see some of it as a 'game'-

RT @Mr_Thorne: how challenging a child is, can be subjective to the

@reallara are they arrogent because they need to be approached on a

@frogphilp fixed mindset learners you need to develop them to growth

#ukedchat Lots of reasons for challenging behaviours none should be