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P-Y Curve function


Posted on June 2, 2010

The pile lateral load analysis program presented in a previous post used linear elastic spring supports to model the
restraint provided by the soil. Soil stress/strain behaviour is of course highly non-linear, and this post presents an
Excel User Defined Function (UDF) that will generate non-linear force-deflection curves (often known as P-Y
curves) for a variety of soil types, above or below the water table, and under static or cyclic loading. This function
will be incorporated in the pile analysis program in a future post, together with non-linear behaviour of reinforced
concrete piles.

The curves are based on those described in the manual for the COM 624 pile analysis program, which is available
for free download from the US FHWA, together with many other valuable documents. The contents of this
manual, together with other aspects of pile design, are summarised in detail in the “Theoretical Manual for Pile
Foundations” published by the US ArmyEngineer Research and Development Center. The linked download site,
Vulcanhammer.net, also has a wealth of other documents related to piled foundations available for free download.

A spreadsheet containing the PY624 function and examples, including full open source code, may be downloaded
from PY-COM624.zip. Note that the latest version of the LatPile spreadsheet incorporates significant changes to
the PY curve function, giving closer results to those in the COM624 Manual. This may be downloaded from:
LatPilePY.zip.

Input and output details are given in the spreadsheet, and are shown in the screenshots below, together with
typical output for a variety of soil types. As always, feedback on the spreadsheet is welcome, using the comment
link at the bottom of the post.

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PY624 Function input

PY624 Function Output

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Soft clay below water table, static load

Soft clay below water table, cyclic load

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Stiff clay above water table

Stiff clay below water table, static

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Stiff clay below water table, cyclic

Sand below water table, static

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Sand below water table, cyclic

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17 Responses to P-Y Curve function

Mario Manzano says:


June 15, 2010 at 1:03 am

I downloaded already the excel spreadsheet PY – COM624 .ZIP, but every time that I have tried to change any input data, the
program freezed, should I have to set up something before any new run?, I will really appreciate any information that you can
provide, Thanks in advance for your time and consideration

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dougaj4 says:
June 15, 2010 at 9:32 am

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Mario – it shouldn’t need anything other than Excel. I have just downloaded the version from my download site, and it is
working on my computer. I will try it on another computer later.

Which version of Excel are you using?


Do you enable macros when you open the spreadsheet? (the message is easily missed in Excel 2007).
When you say the program freezes, do you mean you have to restart Excel, or the function results don’t change when you
enter new data?

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DH says:
July 10, 2010 at 7:24 am

Doug

Once you incorporate this into the pile design you will really have something. I always struggle with COM624 input and
output. I always seem to generate inputs for COM624 in excel and then take the output from COM624 and manually input
into excel. It has been too much book keeping. An excel version would make my life much easier when it comes to analyzing
these problems.

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dougaj4 says:
July 17, 2010 at 10:59 pm

DH – see latest post: https://newtonexcelbach.wordpress.com/2010/07/17/lateral-pile-analyis-with-py-curves/

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Qasy says:
November 24, 2010 at 12:36 pm

I’m a geotech. engineer in Taiwan, I often come to this website and download your spreadsheet, thank you deeply.
According to COM624P’s manual, it just recommanded the P-Y curve fo soft clay below GW (Matlock, 1970) in Part 2, Chap.
3 (page 323), but no P-Y curve of soft clay above GW was recommanded or mention.
However, it could be found that the Appendix A (page 443)’s input variables KSOIL =2 is “for soft clay”, no mention below or
above GW. I guess COM624P use Matlock’s criteria for soft clay below and above GW both. The only difference between
them is the Garma of eq. 3.8 (page 324), it were Garma Saturated for above condition, and Garma Submerged for below
condition. In your opinion, does that calculate in COM624P’s coding?
The other question, could you tell me the meaning of “TOTAL STRESS” column fo COM624P’s output file? Is that mean the
axis stress + flexural stress due to bending moment?
Thank you very much again.

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dougaj4 says:
November 25, 2010 at 8:25 pm

Qasy – I agree that Matlock’s curve for soft clay would be the most appropriate one for soft clay above or below the
water table, but that is Soil Type 1, not Type 2.

Yes, I take the “total stress” to be the maximum stress combining axial load and bending (so the maximum stress
in compression for a compressive axial load).

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Arif Kivanc Yilmaz says:


April 6, 2015 at 9:26 pm

Dear Doug,

First of all thank you for this amazing blog. I am learning new things from this blog each and everytime I visit!

I have a question about the p-y program: I have studied the code and method that you are using to calculate the (As) constant
for static loading – stiff clay case – with presence of water. First of all the graphic does not fit the reference which is used in
book (Figure 3.16 “Values of Constants As and Ac”, Single Piles and Pile Groups under Lateral Loading, Reese & Van Impe, ).
Where did you get the mathematical formula for A_s constant?

And why didn’t you calculate A_c constant in the code? (The coeffeicient for cyclic loading case). is there a function to
describe this value according to depth ratio (z/b) ?

Thanks in advance,

– Arif

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dougaj4 says:
April 15, 2015 at 12:28 pm

Thanks for the comments and your interest.

The As and Ac factors for stiff clay are found under the stiff clay case (Case 2) in the PY function (as I think you
have found).

The calculation for A_s when LoadType = “S” is for the static case, then under “Else” is the calculation for A_c, but
for convenience I have used the same variable name; it would have been clearer if I hadn’t called it A_s, because it
can be either, depending on the value of LoadType.

I have taken the values from Figure 3.7 in the COM 624 manual. I have just assumed a constant value of 0.6 when
the depth ratio is greater than 4 for A_s, or 0.3 for Depth Ratio greater than 2 for A_c, then a parabolic
distribution down to the minimum value of 0.2.

I don’t have the book you referred to, but I would be interested to know if this shows different values. The COM

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624 Manual is available for free download, let me know if you can’t find it.

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Arif says:
April 16, 2015 at 7:02 pm

Dear Doug,

I’ve understood the calculations for As and Ac, thank you. This misunderstanding is happened to the same
variable name I think.

The parabolic function that you used in your code is slightly different that the book. By the way I can send a
dropbox link for the book, if you want. It can be seen if you overlap that figure into the mathematical
functions’ excel graph. I don’t know how to upload an excel file into this comment section. But, as I
mentioned above the difference is almost nothing. So it can be neglected I think. The questions solved

However, when I was studying on my code, I realized another thing: For static loading in stiff clay (in
presence of water) while calculating the first linear part of p-y curve, you are using (ks x b) (initial stiffness *
diameter) value. Shouldn’t it be depend on the depth “z” value also? What do you think?

Thanks,

– Arif

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dougaj4 says:
April 16, 2015 at 9:25 pm

Arif – see:
https://newtonexcelbach.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/latpilepy-1-02/
for comment on the question of how to calculate the initial stiffness, and
https://newtonexcelbach.wordpress.com/2012/07/04/latpilepy-1-04/
for the latest version of the spreadsheet, which does the calculation the COM624 way by default, or optionally as in the
original version described here.

I will update this post to link to the new file, but it’s always a good idea to look under the “Downloads by Category” menu
to see if there are new posts on any subject, especially when the original is quite old.

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dougaj4 says:
April 16, 2015 at 9:40 pm

Arif – I would be interested to see the book’s version of the curves by the way. You can e-mail me at dougaj4 at gmail.

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hungtran says:
April 20, 2015 at 1:37 am

dougaj4-What’s your email address??Can you help me a problem about p-y curve for c-phi soil??

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Faisal says:
June 23, 2015 at 4:58 pm

Good work Doug,

Let me start by registering my opinion that your posts highly impact the humanity positively. Thanks a lot. I have just come
across your Excel UDF (LatPile) for laterally loaded pile analysis. I have learnt a lot from it. However, I have a question to
ask. It is a fact that the soil modulus Es for nonlinear soils vary with both depth(x) and deflection (y) that is why the literature
(COM624 inclusive) mentions the following steps for solution: “(1) A set of Es values is assumed for the entire length of the
pile. (2) The set of difference equations are solved to obtain the deflections at each point along the pile. (3) From the p-y
curves and the values of y found in Step 2, a value of p is found at each point. (4) A new set of Es values are computed using
the p and y values found in steps 2 and 3. (5) The procedure is continued until convergence is achieved.” However, in the
examples presented in LatPile, only one p-y curve is used rather than using discrete curves corresponding to different depths.
By this, I would assume that your LatPile code takes into account Es variation with deflection but not with depth. Could you
please shade more light on this?

Best regards
Faisal

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dougaj4 says:
June 24, 2015 at 10:37 pm

Faisal – have a look at https://newtonexcelbach.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/latpilepy-1-02/, which describes


options for dealing with the soil stiffness varying with depth.

Also you can have as many different py-curves down the pile as required.

The latest version of the spreadsheet is https://newtonexcelbach.wordpress.com/2012/07/04/latpilepy-1-04/

Feel free to ask if anything is not clear.

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Faisal says:
June 27, 2015 at 3:14 am

Thanks a lot Doug. That answers my query. How would one use the LatPile to tackle other boundary conditions such as when

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a combination of any of the following is given: (i) lateral load and slope (e.g. fixed pile head), (ii) moment and deflection, or
(iii) lateral load and rotational constraint constant (Moment/Slope)?

Thanks in advance.
Faisal

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