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July 29, 2013, 21:50 #21

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Member you're welcome. Yes, my main focus is porous media in PEM fuel cell, and
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Location: South Carolina Hi
Posts: 56 you're welcome. Yes, my main focus is porous media in PEM fuel
Rep Power: 2 cell, and catalytic reactions.

Hi,

Please have a look on my problem and if you have any comment, please
let me know.I am trying to model a 2D porous zone filled with sand placed
above a perforated pipe and water will pass through it. I faced a weird
problem. When I active multiphase flow, input button for rotation axis
direction,inertial resistance and viscous resistance simply disappears!! only
porosity parameter remains active. I tried with 3D also, same case
happened. But I need to model multiphase flow.

Then I have found something. I have to define porosity from mixture

phase. And for which zone I defined porosity, I can assign viscous and
inertia resistance for that phase which I assigned in porous zone. For
example, I named one zone as water. I defined water zone as porous zone
from mixture phase, then I can assign other permeable parameter for
water zone by selecting phase-2 ( I assigned water as phase 2). Is this the
way to define porous parameter in two phase flow?

Could you please suggest the solution methods and ranges for porous
media modeling in two phase flow. I am just lost. I am using PISO right
now.

Thank you very much in advance

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Originally Posted by Tanjina
Hi,

Please have a look on my problem and if you have any comment,

please let me know.I am trying to model a 2D porous zone filled
A-A Azarafza with sand placed above a perforated pipe and water will pass
Join Date: Jan 2013 through it. I faced a weird problem. When I active multiphase flow,
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input button for rotation axis direction,inertial resistance and
Rep Power: 2
viscous resistance simply disappears!! only porosity parameter
remains active. I tried with 3D also, same case happened. But I
need to model multiphase flow.

Then I have found something. I have to define porosity from

mixture phase. And for which zone I defined porosity, I can assign
viscous and inertia resistance for that phase which I assigned in

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porous zone. For example, I named one zone as water. I defined

water zone as porous zone from mixture phase, then I can assign
other permeable parameter for water zone by selecting phase-2 ( I
assigned water as phase 2). Is this the way to define porous
parameter in two phase flow?

Could you please suggest the solution methods and ranges for
porous media modeling in two phase flow. I am just lost. I am
using PISO right now.

Thank you very much in advance

First, let me ask you something. Why do you insist on using multiphase
model for your problem, if you consider the filled sand zone as porous
media? As you know, porous media considers as fluid not solid! So, I don't
see any necessity using multiphase model, as long as there's no further
complexity in your model. But, it's hard to make any more comment.
Please give me an image of the model, if you would.

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Tanjina Afrin First, let me ask you something. Why do you insist on using
Join Date: May 2013 multiphase model for your problem, if you consider the filled sand
Location: South Carolina zone as porous media? As you know, porous media considers as
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fluid not solid! So, I don't see any necessity using multiphase
model, as long as there's no further complexity in your model. But,
it's hard to make any more comment. Please give me an image of
the model, if you would.

Hi,

Please find the image attached herewith.

This is my model. Upper red portion is porous zone which I consider filled
with sand. For doing this, I used porosity of sand and inertial and viscous
resistance of sand. I want to model in such way that porous zone is filled
with water also and it will flow towards the lower pipe ( Pink pipe) and
water will enter the red zone continuously from the inlet ( topmost line) so
that water height remain constant. Since pink pipe is initially filled with air
and water will go through it, so I used VOF model(considering the
immiscible fluid). In between red and pink box, i used - - - - line as

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perforated pipe. I didn't use any BC here, except "-" as wall. ( Actually I
am not sure whether I have to use porous jump BC here or since I allowed
opening, it will works as perforated pipe automatically). I don't know the
inlet velocity, so I used pressure inlet.

Please correct me if I am doing something wrong. Thanks in advance.

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A CFD free user Sorry for late

Member Is perforated area part of porous zone or it is a separate zone? Why did
you consider the perforated area? Maybe you need to eliminate this zone.
Anyway, if the perforated area is part of model, I don't think that a porous
jump B.C should be used for this, because it's not a very thin porous media
but a perforated area and these two are quite different. One more thing
and the foremost, instead of using a pressure in inlet, use mass flow rate.
A-A Azarafza
Keep in mind that adjust "Direction specification method " option to "
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Rep Power: 2 inlet boundary? If so, maybe you should extend the model and add an inlet
boundary as well. This is what I understand from the image.
I hope it helps.

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A CFD free user Quote:

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Originally Posted by Tanjina
Hi,

Please find the image attached herewith.

A-A Azarafza This is my model. Upper red portion is porous zone which I
Join Date: Jan 2013 consider filled with sand. For doing this, I used porosity of sand
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and inertial and viscous resistance of sand. I want to model in such
Rep Power: 2
way that porous zone is filled with water also and it will flow
towards the lower pipe ( Pink pipe) and water will enter the red

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zone continuously from the inlet ( topmost line) so that water

height remain constant. Since pink pipe is initially filled with air
and water will go through it, so I used VOF model(considering the
immiscible fluid). In between red and pink box, i used - - - - line as
perforated pipe. I didn't use any BC here, except "-" as wall. (
Actually I am not sure whether I have to use porous jump BC here
or since I allowed opening, it will works as perforated pipe
automatically). I don't know the inlet velocity, so I used pressure
inlet.

Please correct me if I am doing something wrong. Thanks in

advance.

Sorry for late

Is perforated area part of porous zone or it is a separate zone? Why did
you consider the perforated area? Maybe you need to eliminate this zone.
Anyway, if the perforated area is part of model, I don't think that a porous
jump B.C should be used for this, because it's not a very thin porous media
but a perforated area and these two are quite different. One more thing
and the foremost, instead of using a pressure in inlet, use mass flow rate.
Keep in mind that adjust "Direction specification method " option to "
Normal to boundary" . It's important. Is the upper line of porous zone the
inlet boundary? If so, maybe you should extend the model and add an inlet
boundary as well. This is what I understand from the image.
I hope it helps.

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