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gvgbabu Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:56 am Post subject: minimum reinforcement requirement
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Dear Sirs,

Joined: 28 Sep i have 2 doubts regarding minimum reinforcement

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1) as per is 456 minimum reinforcement required is 0.12% of gross cross section area. is it for both faces or each face????

2) while designing water retaining structures,

If D= 2000 mm then the minimum reinforcement required according to the cl 8.1 of 3370-2009 would be 875 mm2.

But IS 3370-1965 cl. 7.1.2 says " In no case the percentage of reinforcement in any member shall be less than that specified in IS
456"
It means that we have to provided 0.12% of gross cross section area (ie nearly 2200 mm2)????

if that is correct, IS 456 always prevails over any codes in deciding minimum requirements??????

Please clarify me

thanks
gvg

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pbreddy123 Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:45 pm Post subject: minimum reinforcement requirement
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For Water retaining structures, we should follow new code only. Why this min. reinforcement is for temperature and shrinkage. As
per new code, for D>500mm, we should consider only 250mm for min. reinforcement calculation due to the temperature effect is
Joined: 26 Jan only at surfaces. Luckly we got revised code for min. reinforcement calculation. It is meaning less, 2m depth is considered for
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calculation of min. reinforcement as per old code.
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P. Bhaskar Reddy.

From: gvgbabu <forum@sefindia.org>

To: general@sefindia.org
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 9:26 AM
Subject: [SEFI] minimum reinforcement requirement

Dear Sirs,

i have 2 doubts regarding minimum reinforcement

1) as per is 456 minimum reinforcement required is 0.12% of gross cross section area. is it for both faces or each face????

2) while designing water retaining structures,

If D= 2000 mm then the minimum reinforcement required according to the cl 8.1 of 3370-2009 would be 875 mm2.

But IS 3370-1965 cl. 7.1.2 says " In no case the percentage of reinforcement in any member shall be less than that specified in IS
456"
It means that we have to provided 0.12% of gross cross section area (ie nearly 2200 mm2)????

if that is correct, IS 456 always prevails over any codes in deciding minimum requirements??????
 Please clarify me

thanks
gvg

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vikram.jeet Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:54 am Post subject: minimum reinforcement requirement
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0.12% is the minimum reinforcement in slab and it is not spelt out in IS456
that it is on on both face total or tension face. But generally for thin
slabs it is taken on tension face

In case of providing reinf for temp & shrinkage only as distribution bars , it
can be 0.06% on each face totalling 0.12% of cross section area.

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For thick slabs greater than 1.0m clause 34.5.2 of IS 456 on footings may be seen
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Clause 34.5.2 of IS 456, the footings thicker than 1.0m shall have skin reinf
on all faces minimum 3.6cm2/m mesh , but faces having tensile requirements
(bottom face invariably and sometimes top face also) need to have reinf
based on thickness of section.

In water retaining structures , the minimum reinf is prescribed from shrikage/temp

considerations based on casting length .Hence it can be calculated on
x sec area and can be provided half on each face. For very thick slabs
more than 1.0m only skin reinf may be needed as per IS 456 but reinf as required
under IS3370 for controlling shrinkage essentially must prevail.

best regds

vikramjeet

1) as per is 456 minimum reinforcement required is 0.12% of gross cross section area. is it for both faces or each face????2) while
designing water retaining structures,If D= 2000 mm then the minimum reinforcement required according to the cl 8.1 of 3370-2009
would be 875 mm2. But IS 3370-1965 cl. 7.1.2 says " In no case the percentage of reinforcement in any member shall be less than
that specified in IS 456" It means that we have to provided 0.12% of gross cross section area (ie nearly 2200 mm2)???? if that is
correct, IS 456 always prevails over any codes in deciding minimum requirements??????Please clarify me thanks gvg
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vikram.jeet Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:16 am Post subject: minimum reinforcement requirement
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in continuation to earlier posting on this topic - - - - -

In IRC -21 the minimum reinf of 0.12%in slabs is the prescribed minimum
tension reinforcement
Hence in IRC 21 , it is clearly indicated that it needs to be on tension face

best regds
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Dr. N. Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: minimum reinforcement requirement
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Dear Er Vikarmjeet Sir,
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Is it not obvious as we provide reinforcement in concrete only when there is tension-anyhow concrete is strong in compression.
Theoretically in short columns we do not require any reinforcement, it is provided to resist accidental ecc. only.

once again appreciating your eagerness and sincerity in solving the problems others are posting.

Warm regards
Subramanian

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In IRC -21 the minimum reinf of 0.12%in slabs is the prescribed minimum
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Location: Hence in IRC 21 , it is clearly indicated that it needs to be on tension face
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hemal Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:26 pm Post subject: minimum reinforcement requirement
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IS:456-2000, Cl. 26.5.2.1 for slab, does not clear the purpose (temperature/shrinkage or minimum tensile) of 0.12% minimum
reinforcement. However, cl. 34.5.2 for footings, mentioned that for concrete section having depth more than 1 m shall have min.
Joined: 01 Apr 360 mm2/m reinf. It also mention that this provision does not supersede requirement of min. tensile reinforcement based on depth
2008 of member. Though there is not clear mention about purpose of 0.12% reinf, above statement indirectly specify that 0.12% reinf is
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min. tensile reinforcement.

However, it shall be noted that on a particular face of member in particular direction, tension may be in certain part only and 0.12%
requirement is for tension part only. However, for sections with depth less than 1 m, IS:456-2000 have no provision for minimum
temperature and shrinkage reinforcement. Actually for more than 1 m thick section also purpose (shrinkage/temp here) of 360
mm2/m reinf is also not clearly mentioned. For slab detailed using bent up bars, reinforcement at bottom at support(beam) is less
than 0.12%.

ACI-318 (2011) do not have any requirement for minimum tension reinforcement for slab, except max. permissible spacing of
tension rein which is 2*D. But, there is minimum reinforcement requirement for shrinkage and temperature for slabs, Which is as
under

For Slab with

Grade 280 or 350 steel : 0.2% of Gross c/s area,

Grade 420 steel : 0.18% of Gross c/s area,
Grade >420 steel : (0.18*420/fy) % of Gross c/s area
subjected to minimum of 0.14% of Gross c/s area

Max. permissible spacing : lesser of 5*D & 450 mm for slab and 450 mm for raft(mat).

For RAFT(MAT), it clearly mentions that minimum reinforcement as required for slab for shrinkage/temperature may be distributed
on top and bottom face and also between top and bottom face if required, but total minimum % for gross c/s shall be maintained.

That means for RAFT irrespective of thickness, we may need min 0.09% (of gross c/s) reinforcement on each face in each direction
for 420 grade bar according to ACI 318-2011.
According to IS:456-2000, if 0.12% is minimum tensile reinforcement (as in case of IRC-21), then we may need to provide it on
each face, which is more than ACI requirement. However, if 0.12% is for shrinkage and temp. reinf. then we may need 0.06% on
each face, which is less than ACI requirement.

Regards

Hemal Mistry
Surat

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From: vikram.jeet <forum@sefindia.org>

Subject: [SEFI] Re: minimum reinforcement requirement
To: general@sefindia.org
Date: Thursday, 12 July, 2012, 7:27 AM

in continuation to earlier posting on this topic - - - - -

In IRC -21 the minimum reinf of 0.12%in slabs is the prescribed minimum
tension reinforcement
Hence in IRC 21 , it is clearly indicated that it needs to be on tension face

best regds

vikramjeet
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vikram.jeet Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:02 am Post subject: minimum reinforcement requirement
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Respected Dr NS sir

Thanks for the kind words of encouragement . But the fact is that undersigned is a distant -student of your
good- self and SEFI has provided this opportunity to learn more from treasurers of knowledge you have.

Always aspire to be a shadow of two Doctors of Structural Engineering - - Dr NS sir on SEFI and Dr VK Raina ,
a living legend of Bridge and Structural Engg whose working style on designs highly influenced me at
Joined: 26 Jan
beginning of career during short stint under him.
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with kind regards

vikramjeet

Dear Er Vikarmjeet Sir, Is it not obvious as we provide reinforcement in concrete only when there is tension-anyhow concrete is
strong in compression. Theoretically in short columns we do not require any reinforcement, it is provided to resist accidental ecc.
only. once again appreciating your eagerness and sincerity in solving the problems others are posting. Warm regards Subramanian
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Dr. N. Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: minimum reinforcement requirement
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Dear Er Vikarmjeet Sir,
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Although I appreciate your kind words, and the fact that we learn mutually from each others postings, I still believe that you are a
scholar of your own right in the area of structural design- may be you never had a chance to do Ph.D. My father was a Mechanical
Engineer and holding a high post in TN Govt. and hence he had enough resources to put me directly in Ph.D. after my Masters. Not
all will have such a background (of course one should have inclination to do research work and should be willing to do hard work
associated with doctoral research).

I have also read Dr V K Raina's books on Bridge Engineering and appreciated them for their clarity and practical bias but was not
fortunate enough to meet him till now.

For those who want to learn more about Dr V K Raina see:

http://www.itbhuglobal.org/chronicle/images/feb.07/Dr_RAINA_CV_Nov_2010.pdf

Joined: 21 Feb You and Er Rangarajan are doing yeoman service to SEFI.
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Location: Subramaian
Gaithersburg,
MD, U.S.A.
vikram.jeet wrote:
Respected Dr NS sir

Thanks for the kind words of encouragement . But the fact is that undersigned is a distant -student of your
good- self and SEFI has provided this opportunity to learn more from treasurers of knowledge you have.

Always aspire to be a shadow of two Doctors of Structural Engineering - - Dr NS sir on SEFI and Dr VK Raina ,
a living legend of Bridge and Structural Engg whose working style on designs highly influenced me at
beginning of career during short stint under him.

But in structures , learning never culminates - - - - -

with kind regards

vikramjeet

Dear Er Vikarmjeet Sir, Is it not obvious as we provide reinforcement in concrete only when there is tension-anyhow
concrete is strong in compression. Theoretically in short columns we do not require any reinforcement, it is provided to
resist accidental ecc. only. once again appreciating your eagerness and sincerity in solving the problems others are posting.
Warm regards Subramanian
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consultinggo Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:17 am Post subject: minimum reinforcement requirement
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 SEFI Member IRC-21 states the effect of concentrated loads on slabs spanning in1 or 2 directions or on cantilevers slabs may be calculated from
the influence fields of such loads or by any other rational method. IRC-21 has lot of guidelines for effect of live loads on solid slab
spanning in 1 direction or on cantilever. A lot detailed discussed about load dispersion in these slabs But does not speak about 2
Joined: 28 May way slabs. One can use 1) Rankine-Grashoff method 2) Diagonal method 3) Westergaards method 4) Pigeauds
2012 method Reynolds hand book has explained such case very nicely.
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For bridge designers it is a matter of routine Please refer IS 456 or IRC 21 for design of cantilever slab for conc loads Is 456 clause
24.3.2 .1 (d) deals with calculation of effective width Beff =(1.2 *a1) + a a1 = distance of conc load from face of support a =
width of contact area of conc load measured parallel to supporting edge Hence cant BM per meter width (due to point load P) =(
P*a1)/(1.2 *a1+a) In case point load is at edge(i.e end) of cantilever slab the effecive width Beff =( 0.6*a1)+a since dispersion
will be only on one side . best regds vikramjeet

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gvgbabu Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:06 pm Post subject:

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sirs,

Joined: 28 Sep thank you for your response

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