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Crossing Dialogues
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One of the central features of the group of diseases we call “endogenous” (schizophrenia,
melancholic depression, mania) is the alteration of interpersonal relationships. This topic is here
addressed from a phenomenological perspective. It is studied the way three fundamental elements
of intersubjectivity, namely appresentation, temporality and intentionality, are altered in manic,
depressive and schizophrenic psychoses, respectively. It is shown that in mania there is a failure of
the shared appresentation of the role of persons, and that while failing in the constitution of the alter-
Ego, the maniac patient also fails in the constitution of own Ego. In depression the interpersonal
detachment is related to the serious alteration of the way the living time is experienced, with a
self-confinement into the own body. Finally, in schizophrenia it is a weakening of intentionality that
leads to a failure in the constitution of the other and of the common and shared world.
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psychosis impressive things like the following: on cases of paranoid patients. This form of
“My failure is not enough love for myself. I have not yet encounter is characterized by lack of reciprocity,
found the way toward the you. Except for a short period anonymization and mediatisation. In an
in Waldheim (a school), I always have been enclosed in amorous delusion, for example, especially when
myself, deaf when faced with the exterior world. What I
it involves hallucination, the patient cannot
have to achieve is an unselfish inclination toward what
is outside me … I need to venture toward another phase, defend him or herself from amorous voices or
that of love of my neighbour” from the cenesthetic hallucinations linked to
the sexual sphere, that is, it is a unreciprocated
And at the beginning of the psychosis he was
encounter. It is common that what is invading
reporting strange things like that his brain was
the patient, which at first has a name, begins
atrophied and had been deviated toward the
to lose its individuality and finally is imagined
thorax, but in any case it was unable to fill the
as part of a group. All the young people of the
skull. His own body had become strange for
city, and even all men, harass the female patient.
him; in order to be sure that his arms and legs
Finally, that contact with the hallucinated other,
were his own, he observed them, he moved and
that at the beginning the patient hears or sees is
bit them. He felt that his body was flat and that
lately mediated through devices such as radios,
things came down on him and penetrated into
television sets, etc. We could demonstrate that
him. And in his diary he wrote;
such a phenomenon also occurred in forms
“The world is very distant, empty and without meaning. of schizophrenia simplex with cenesthetic
For example, if I observe a farm, I see very clearly,
in all their details, the house and persons, but only as characteristics. The difference between early
something material. Beyond that, everything is poor, and later phenomena lies only in the fact that
barren and meaningless” in the latter the invading other appears more
and more as a mere body without soul, totally
And later he wrote:
depersonalized.
“The world comes directly to me; there is no distance
between the world and me. And that is true both for
In the case of depression and although the
persons and for things. The nearness reaches the point claims of the patients generally do not refer to the
of identification with things and persons. It can even other, but to the feeling of oneself and to changes
happen that in the worst states I consider myself at times in their own body, the fundamental alteration
like the other, like the person I am looking at” could also be conceived from the perspective
He himself also describes the concrete of interpersonality. Two forms of essentially
difficulty he had of approaching the other person, different depressions could be distinguished,
in this case to a young girl with whom he had up to the point that it has been often discussed
fallen in love: if they are not different nosological entities. I
“It was something very sad. When the encounter with refer to delusional and non-delusional forms.
her took place, I would have needed only to greet her, The second, which is the most frequent, shows
but in that moment I completely closed myself like a as fundamental phenomena, as we have tried to
pocket knife. I still see her coming toward me. Suddenly show in other papers (Doerr-Zegers, 1979, 1993;
everything turned cloudy, as if it had been erased. I
Doerr-Zegers and Tellenbach, 1980), such as
began to tremble, I turned around and kept going”
negative change of the body experience (decay,
This inability to meet someone becomes more lack of interest, anxiety, pain, feeling of cold,
and more marked, to the point where Federico is etc.), “not-being-able” (to concentrate, to decide,
not even able to recognize persons as individual to act, to feel pleasure, etc.) and alteration,
subjects and this is how he writes in his diary: inversion or suspension of vital rhythms. In
“For a while I cannot remember the individual who the first, in the delusional form, by contrast,
owns the faces of persons known to me anymore. When symptomatology is driven by delusion (of guilt,
I look at them, I see only their legs” ruin or illness); although in the background the
Walter von Baeyer (1955) defined with same phenomena common in classic depression
extraordinary acuteness the characteristics can also be seen. The differences do not only
of this deformed interpersonal encounter of refer to symptomatology, but also to previous
schizophrenics, but relying almost exclusively personality, biography and triggering situations.
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etc. The psychiatrist will speak here of “action present and future, between retentio, protentio
facilitation” and loss of inhibitions. But neither and presentatio becomes loose, life itself is
of these two opinions sheds light on what is transformed in the awareness of fragments of
really happening there. Somatic medicine world without pattern.
has the theory of the body as the framework From Husserl’s theory, presented at the
within which it can “measure” the deviations beginning, it can be inferred that if one fails
with respect to the norm. Similarly, psychiatry in the constitution of the alter Ego, if one is
should be able to do it as well. But this basic not capable of real understanding of the other,
science is not sufficiently developed and to the constitution of oneself, of the own Ego,
our knowledge that place must be occupied, also fails. Binswanger’s patient is unable to
following Binswanger, by the phenomenology “appresentatively” seize the organist (in his
of intentional consciousness. context), because she herself cannot experience
The organist and the patient who bothers herself “appresentatively” as an Ego. Both in
him also bear in mind something different, the church and on the football field the patient
that is, their own internal vital flow, with its is present for herself in her primordial world (or
own primordial world. But these different internal vital flow), but she does not manage to
presentations are not accompanied here by the “appresent herself” as Mrs. so and so, as wife
same “appresentation”. The organist is present and mother of four children, as a well-educated
for himself like the flowing of awareness of person, society lady and even more to the point,
contents, the feelings coming from his body, as a patient who ran away from a psychiatric
including those of his fingers playing the organ. clinic. And this happens because her life passes
These presentations are accompanied by the from presence to presence, disconnected from
“appresentation” that he is an organist who has retentions and protensions, that is, as a result
been hired to play for the religious service and of the total collapse of temporalisation. This
he shares that same “appresentation” with the explains why the manic patient fails in the
community attending the church. The patient, constitution of the common world, although,
instead, does not share this “appresentation” and unlike the depressive one, the tendency to turn
she does not “take part” in it by any means. In the herself toward the others is observed in her. But
patient’ perception it is only present an organist this sort of “being busy” with the others is not
playing, but she does not “appresent” that it is a directed toward an authentic communication,
concert in the framework of a religious service. but is rather the consequence of an escape from
After leaving the church, the patient went into a herself, from the proper I. And when the proper I
football field where some boys were playing a moves away the other loses the character of alter
match, causing among them, besides perplexity, Ego and becomes an alius, a strange and foreign
anger and a comic situation. She did not manage being. It is not very different from what happens
either to have the same “appresentation” as them to my patient, who, not knowing the situation
or constitute a world in common. The fact that of psychiatric interview and the peculiarity of
she has brusquely changed from one scenario the physician-patient relationship, makes me
to another is not a simple consequence of her a reproach that would be only suitable in the
pathological hyperactivity, but of the fact of context of the greatest intimacy: “You are using
living in mere isolated presences, without a a pen that is too common; I am going to give you
connection between them. They are consequently a better one for Christmas”.
unexplainable from her biography, because this
patient has not been able to order these presences PHENOMENOLOGY OF
in the continuum of her internal vital history. INTERSUBJECTIVITY AND
This means also that protensions and retentions MELANCHOLIC DEPRESSION
have failed. Only by anticipating the future and Now the flowing of my internal life is,
retaining the past we can actualize the present. certainly, inseparable from the original or
When this perfect interaction between past, primordial temporality, with respect to which
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