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As per PM, PimpDollaz request for access to the grinch

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by the grinch » Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:36 am

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Hello, Justices. 9:57 am
Cash on hand: 8.00
[Donate]
As I'm unsure about PimpDollaz's sentence, I'd like to ask you about it's status. PimpDollaz Medals: 1
has requested Congress access, but I never got the memo that the sentence was over.
As there are now enough Justice for a valid Supreme Court, I think it may be time to talk
about this amongst yourselves again
Thanks,
Kronos Q
Pimp's request:
PimpDollaz
http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/1441842
Just access to Parliament Hill, if that is possible. I don't need the rest of the Forums.
Would like to contribute to Congress, as I have a few ideas, won't post in any other areas
(seeing as we don't even have an appeals court, or even process for that) Also, there are
some ideas that our Bros in the US want me to ask about, so it's better to do it in private, It
would probably be better if I didn't do it in my newspaper.
file:///C|/Users/Michael/Downloads/jusitce/Pimp1.htm[13/11/2010 1:34:17 PM]

The verdict from his court case:
The judges have voted 3 in favor with 2 abstaining for the following sentence:
An indefinite ban from the forums and IRC until Pimpdollaz has returned 666 CAD to the
government of eCanada
An additional ban from the forums and IRC of six weeks, to begin the moment the above fine
is payed.
This case is now closed.
In my opinion, his request must be denied for the following reasons:
We can't just change the verdict and sentence on a whim.
1) He was found guilty and sentenced.

2) Pimpdollaz has not paid the fine, and has not served the post fine ban.
3) He does have the option to apply for an appeal to the next AG for consideration.
4) His excuse that he has information to pass onto congress, while may be sensitive can be
handled by MoFA, via our US ambassador. If we have no US ambassador, it can be handled
by the MoFA or someone in the executive. Pimp merely has to send them an ingame PM.
5) If he wanted to be part of congress he knew going in what he had to do when he ran for
congress. Pay the fine and serve his sentence. He chose not to.
Thoughts?
ex-Colonel, 2nd Canadian Rangers Division

ex-Platoon Commander, 5th Rangers
Re: As per PM, PimpDollaz request for access to Petz

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by Petz » Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:09 am

I believe that there are two issues here... Posts: 428
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10:19 pm
1. Yes i believe he must deal with the conditions set out from his sentence. However, The Cash on hand: 10.00
point must be made that perhaps he has not paid the fine because he wishes to appeal the [Donate]
Bank: 4,822.42
sentence and the lack of an appeal process is bogging down the actual process. Medals: 3
2. Since there is obvious lack of a proper process in the nation right now, as the acting court
we must show flexibility and be able to adapt to the situation and hand out rulings for the
benefit of the entire nation.
Therefore I believe that what we should do is ask Pimp straight out if he is planning an
appeal and whether or not that is the reason for his delay of payment and follow up ban. If
he states yes, I believe we should amend the sentence to say that he should pay the fine
but the 6 weeks would be put on hold until after an appeal procedure is in effect... the
government would hold his fine in case the appeal lowers it (and repay whatever portion if
necessary) and Pimp would be required to formally submit his appeal within 7 days of a

proper appeal procedure (or appointment of an new AG). Failure to do so would result in the
full fine being kept and an automatic removal of access for the 6 weeks sentence.
Although I do agree that there are other individuals who can bring the message to congress
that Pimp wishes to convey, the lack of an appeal process is too big of an issue for this court
to stand still on. If Pimp indicates he does not wish to appeal then the full sentence must be
carried out immediately before he can have access. If he does then we must come to a
decision.
Petz
9X Canadian Congress Member

1X US Congress Member
4X Auditor General of eCanada
3X Deputy Speaker of Congress
1X Justice eCanadian Supreme Court
Editor of The Petz Press
CEO Petz Inc., Petz Inc Q2, Petz Inc Q3 & Petz Inc Q4
CAF Reserves - 20th Omegas
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Re: As per PM, PimpDollaz request for access to

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by Lavis Knight » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:11 am
There is a dilemna here: For one we have to weigh the fact that people did choose
Pimpdollars to represent them and he in fact did gain enough support to get into congress
again. That is something that we cannot deny; however, as the grinch stated: Lavis Knight
Frequent Forumer

An indefinite ban from the forums and IRC until Pimpdollaz has returned 666 CAD to the Posts: 182
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government of eCanada
9:44 am
Cash on hand: 46.00
An additional ban from the forums and IRC of six weeks, to begin the moment the above fine [Donate]
Bank: 1,370.77
is payed. Location: NB, Canada
I would propose allowing him to access Parliament Hill IF he pays the 666 CAD fine, then
have the 6 week forum ban start for the rest of the forums (With the exclusion of parliament
hill while he is a congressman)
Think about it this way:
If we are to get this cad back for Canada we may have to negotiate a little as we have little
recourse in terms of acquiring the funds from him.
Basically:
1) Upon payment to Canada access to parliament hill while a congressman restored
2) The 6 week ban for the rest of the forums and IRC (Excluding parliament hill) will
then begin to count down.

-> At the very least Pimpdollars should have to return the CAD.
Re: As per PM, PimpDollaz request for access to the grinch

CAF Officer
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I just deleted my post. I have a suggestion, let me get it down on paper and will update the
Posts: 344
post. SHouldn't be more than 20 minutes or so. Joined: Fri Sep 18, 2009
9:57 am
Cash on hand: 8.00
ex-Colonel, 2nd Canadian Rangers Division [Donate]
ex-Platoon Commander, 5th Rangers Medals: 1

CAF Officer
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OK so here it is:
Posts: 344
9:57 am
Cash on hand: 8.00
[Donate]
2. Since there is obvious lack of a proper process in the nation right now, as the acting Medals: 1
court we must show flexibility and be able to adapt to the situation and hand out rulings for
the benefit of the entire nation
OK did some research. We don't need the AG to proceed with an appeal if Pimp decides he
wants one. While the AG is supposed to have superintendence over the courts according to
the AG act, the constitution overrides all acts. According to the constitution:
3.1 When a case is presented to the Court the Justices will have four options:
It makes no mention of an AG.
Where the problem is, is without an AG, the government doesn't have someone to present
it's side of the case. The government will have to appoint someone to act on it's behalf.
So Petz, instead of asking pimp if he plans on appealing, tell him he has to apply for an
appeal or apply for a Pardon. If an appeal, he can't just say "because I want one", he has to
provide a reason. Either there is an error in judgement, or his constitutional rights have
been violated.
If Pimp does, he can then appoint someone to represent him, or can ask for the "in custody
mask". When he presents his case, we then either agree to hear it or not based on his
arguments. If we agree to hear it, we can then talk about sentence adjustment if
warranted.
If he does not apply for an appeal, then he has to carry out the existing sentence.

I also want to point out that we be VERY specific to which organisation the fine is paid to.
There is a dilemna here: For one we have to weigh the fact that people did choose
Pimpdollars to represent them and he in fact did gain enough support to get into congress
again.
He can still vote on motions and present them in game so the isn't being prevented from
doing that by his sentence.
Thoughts?


Forum Elder
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by Petz » Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:57 am

I think we should proceed by asking pimp if he wants to appeal and if not...I believe Lavis' Posts: 428
proposal is both fair and realistic Joined: Wed Jun 24, 2009
10:19 pm
Cash on hand: 10.00
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Bank: 4,822.42
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by Steve » Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:19 pm
Re: Appeal
I'd say he has pretty good grounds... an indefinite ban is ridiculous, and not at all in
proportion to the value of 666 CAD in my opinion.
Re: Restitution/Paying it back

What if we forced some creative solutions here? I never paid back my 500 CAD to the
Government proper - I insisted on paying it to some form of charitable entity, which ended
up being WGC. What if we did the same with Pimp? If it can demonstrably benefit the Steve
community, isn't that an effective form of restitution? Forum Elder
Re: Timelines
Let's get this done quickly - as in within 3 days. I don't want Pimp or the Pimp issue being a Posts: 281
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cloud over the court representing its perceived inaction. 12:24 pm
Cash on hand: 109.00
Because we all need some more Steve in our

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by Lavis Knight » Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:50 pm
the grinch wrote:

I also want to point out that we be VERY specific to which organisation the fine is paid to.
Lavis Knight
Frequent Forumer
I think we can do that by providing a link instead of a name -> although as long as the terms
are reasonable and fair i don't think he will pull a Temujin. Posts: 182
9:44 am
Cash on hand: 46.00
the grinch wrote: [Donate]
Bank: 1,370.77
So Petz, instead of asking pimp if he plans on appealing, tell him he has to apply for an Location: NB, Canada
appeal or apply for a Pardon. If an appeal, he can't just say "because I want one", he has to
provide a reason. Either there is an error in judgement, or his constitutional rights have
been violated.
There has to be a way to make this process simpler-> could he not just petition the court
about the severity of his sentencing or at the very least try to make a deal in order to be
allowed access to the forum?
We have to realize this isn't like real life we essentially have no power over him. I really
think knowing this we have to negotiate accordingly.
Steve wrote:
up being WGC. What if we did the same with Pimp? If it can demonstrably benefit the
community, isn't that an effective form of restitution?
What is the WGC?
I would prefer it to be the government in some form; however, do we have any gov
organizations that help new players? Perhaps it would be easier to swallow if we suggested
that? We need to be careful though and figure out which orgs that the gov still has access
to. (Rolo appropriated many of them after his impeachment).
Steve wrote:
Re: Timelines
Let's get this done quickly - as in within 3 days. I don't want Pimp or the Pimp issue being a
cloud over the court representing its perceived inaction.

I agree with Steve here we need this done quickly, espcially since the court has a reputation
of being a black hole for these kind of things. Let's get this done quickly and fair.
There must be a government org still in the govs hands that helps new players. I will inquire
and perhaps if we could agree on something to that nature?

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by Steve » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:20 pm
Lavis Knight wrote:
the grinch wrote:
Steve wrote:
What if we forced some creative solutions here? I never paid back my 500 CAD to
the Government proper - I insisted on paying it to some form of charitable entity, Steve
which ended up being WGC. What if we did the same with Pimp? If it can Forum Elder
demonstrably benefit the community, isn't that an effective form of restitution?

Posts: 281
What is the WGC? 12:24 pm
WGC = Writer's Guild of Canada, now defunct. However, the point there was to have the
money translated into some tangible form of benefit for the entire community - in that case,
quality journalism. (It ended up getting stolen by Adasko)

lives

CAF Officer
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by the grinch » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:35 pm

Steve wrote: Posts: 344
Re: Appeal 9:57 am
I'd say he has pretty good grounds... an indefinite ban is ridiculous, and not at all in Cash on hand: 8.00
[Donate]
proportion to the value of 666 CAD in my opinion.
Medals: 1
He didn't get an indefinte ban + 666 CAD. He got the permanent ban until he paid it back +
ban from IRC and ecan forums for a period of time. It was simply leverage to get him to pay.
Had he paid it off in a timely manner like you did, he wouldn't have been banned this long.
Heck, if he had just paid it off right after the court case, he would have been back in the
forums and on irc ages ago. If he pays it tomorrow, that lifetime ban is immediately
removed. He brought this on himself by refusing to pay.

Steve wrote:
up being WGC. What if we did the same with Pimp? If it can demonstrably benefit the
community, isn't that an effective form of restitution?
I don't agree with this coming from the courts. It will set a precedent. Just imagine if
someone stole a large amount of cash then could just donate it to a charity and the
government wouldn't see a dime of it. If the government wants to make a plea bargain,
thats different, and I think we should encourage it, if it is possible.
Steve wrote:
Re: Timelines
Let's get this done quickly - as in within 3 days. I don't want Pimp or the Pimp issue being a
cloud over the court representing its perceived inaction.
Well lets not get ahead of ourselves here. He has to ask for an appeal first . If he doesn't
then there is no inaction on our part. I don't want us to be seen as inactive either. If pimp
applies for a hearing, then we should move as fast as possible.
Lavis Knight wrote:

There has to be a way to make this process simpler-> could he not just petition the court
about the severity of his sentencing or at the very least try to make a deal in order to be
allowed access to the forum?
We have to realize this isn't like real life we essentially have no power over him. I really
think knowing this we have to negotiate accordingly.
The process is simple. All he has to do is say he wants to appeal. That is the petition. He
then gets someone to represent him, or he requests an incustody mask to kronos q so he has
access to the cases section. It isn't hard.
The courts have no in game power over him, but do have forum and irc access power over
him based on the conviction. He obviously wants it. If he didn't then he wouldn't have
bothered asking for it.
I spoke with petz on IRC earlier, and he does not want to see the court viewed as
inactive either, so we are all agreed on that.
There is a slight problem however, there is nobody in position to represent the side of the
government. There are 2 people who can do it, the AG and a Minister of Justice. Right now,
from what I understand neither position is filled. They have to get a move on on this. If not,
the case if launched is delayed, or the case proceeds without a government representative
(which isn't allowed). If the case is delayed due to the governments inaction (either congress
for AG or the Executive for MoJ) the case could be stayed as the defendant has the right to

a speedy trial.
Since we can have either and AG or MoJ, petz and I agreed that it would be a good idea to
PM both someone in the executive and in congress and tell them to get a move on to
appoint someone to act on the government's side. They can fight it out as to who does it. If
they can't get it done, they risk a stay of pimp's case if he decides to appeal.

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by Lavis Knight » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:31 pm
I spoke with petz on IRC earlier, and he does not want to see the court viewed as inactive Lavis Knight
Frequent Forumer
either, so we are all agreed on that.
There is a slight problem however, there is nobody in position to represent the side of the
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government. There are 2 people who can do it, the AG and a Minister of Justice. Right now, Joined: Mon Jun 29, 2009
from what I understand neither position is filled. They have to get a move on on this. If not, 9:44 am
Cash on hand: 46.00
the case if launched is delayed, or the case proceeds without a government representative
[Donate]
(which isn't allowed). If the case is delayed due to the governments inaction (either congress Bank: 1,370.77
for AG or the Executive for MoJ) the case could be stayed as the defendant has the right to Location: NB, Canada
a speedy trial.
Since we can have either and AG or MoJ, petz and I agreed that it would be a good idea to
PM both someone in the executive and in congress and tell them to get a move on to
appoint someone to act on the government's side. They can fight it out as to who does it. If
they can't get it done, they risk a stay of pimp's case if he decides to appeal.
I have heard in the past of court cases being held for litterally months because some
technicality or someone not being around. I find this process does make it more
complicated.
That is why the court has been seen as a joke we always have "some" excuse to delay.
This issue is time sensitive -> congress only sits for 30 days at a time....
I say we come up with a judgement throw it to the government and if they agree with it and
so does pimp case closed! There is no need to drag this out in argument we are only seeking

to amend a judgement. No need to argue if both sides agree.
Lets be mediators here!
I say initally we ask for what i suggested, see if the government would go for it and then see
if Pimpdollars agrees.

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by Lavis Knight » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:30 pm
Anyone?
Lavis Knight
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[Donate]
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Location: NB, Canada

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by Steve » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:40 pm
He's been in touch with me and I told him to do an appeal through the AG (once voted in),
and in the meantime have someone copy/paste his posts through to Congress.

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Steve
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12:24 pm

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Steve wrote:
He's been in touch with me and I told him to do an appeal through the AG (once voted in),
Lavis Knight
and in the meantime have someone copy/paste his posts through to Congress. Frequent Forumer


How long will it take them to vote in an AG O_o;; Posts: 182
9:44 am
We need to stress that we don't want this to become a fiasco where someone isn't in place Cash on hand: 46.00
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for like 3 months. Bank: 1,370.77

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I made clear to him that we're not interested in waiting around, just like he isn't.

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by Petz » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:17 pm

I also believe that any fine should go to the government where they can decide on it... we Posts: 428
have no right to tell the government where or how to spend the money. Joined: Wed Jun 24, 2009
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by Lavis Knight » Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:44 am
Petz wrote:
I also believe that any fine should go to the government where they can decide on it... we

Lavis Knight
have no right to tell the government where or how to spend the money. Frequent Forumer

I agree with this -> the money was taken from the treasury and that is where it should be Posts: 182
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by Steve » Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:49 pm
Lavis Knight wrote:
Petz wrote:
I also believe that any fine should go to the government where they can decide on it...
we have no right to tell the government where or how to spend the money.
Steve
I agree with this -> the money was taken from the treasury and that is where it should be Forum Elder
returned.

Posts: 281
I don't necessarily agree. Firstly, the money was not taken from a central treasury account - 12:24 pm
it was taken from Canada National Defence, an account for the CAF. Cash on hand: 109.00
I would rather see a resolution of Pimp's situation benefit the entire community, whether
that's through the CAF, the government, or some other form of social entity. If the
government uses that money for the implicit benefit of the community, then I have no
problem with his money going through a different means to reach the same end.

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by Lavis Knight » Sat Oct 02, 2010 5:01 pm
Steve wrote:
Lavis Knight wrote: Lavis Knight

Frequent Forumer
Petz wrote:
I also believe that any fine should go to the government where they can decide on
it... we have no right to tell the government where or how to spend the money. Posts: 182
9:44 am
Cash on hand: 46.00
[Donate]
I agree with this -> the money was taken from the treasury and that is where it should Bank: 1,370.77


be returned.
I don't necessarily agree. Firstly, the money was not taken from a central treasury account -
it was taken from Canada National Defence, an account for the CAF.
I would rather see a resolution of Pimp's situation benefit the entire community, whether
that's through the CAF, the government, or some other form of social entity. If the
government uses that money for the implicit benefit of the community, then I have no
problem with his money going through a different means to reach the same end.
The money was still stolen from a government entity, it makes no sense to have it
redistributed.
If we were to get all that gold back from Rolo would you have it happen the same way? How
does it make any sense?
I feel you are essentially saying:
If money is stolen and recovered it must be redistributed to the community rather than the
entity it was stolen from.

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Lavis Knight wrote:
The money was still stolen from a government entity, it makes no sense to have it
redistributed.
If we were to get all that gold back from Rolo would you have it happen the same way? How
does it make any sense?
Steve
Forum Elder
Yes I would, IF Rolo gave that money back to a group or entity that benefit all eCanadians,
which is the implicit purpose of the government itself.
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12:24 pm
Lavis Knight wrote: Cash on hand: 109.00
I feel you are essentially saying:
If money is stolen and recovered it must be redistributed to the community rather than the
entity it was stolen from.
No, I am saying that the money (which was stolen by Temujin, but not in my opinion "stolen"
by Pimp) should be used for its original implicit purpose - the benefit of the eCanadian
community, given that that is what it should be doing in the government's hands.
To me, it doesn't matter who is the doer, as long as what's being done is to the benefit of
all eCanadians (or at the very least a maximum amount of eCanadians).

I'll put it to you this way: if Pimp decided to donate military hardware of the same value as
666 CAD, to either an organized entity or a random selection of eCanadians, I would not
have a problem with that, as long as it maximized the impact on the eCanadian community.

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I should add onto what I was saying before:
Let's not get tied up in ideological views on the role of the government, etc etc.
My overarching point is simply that we're playing a game that has a strong social, community
element to it, and we work better if the team benefits than if individuals benefit. Our goal
in the court, in my eyes, should be to arbitrate matters for the collective benefit of the
community which we are supposed to represent. So if we reach an agreement on a creative
solution to the Pimp situation which benefits everyone (or a maximum of eCanadians), does Steve
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that not align with our real goal?

Because we all need some more Steve in our Posts: 281
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by Lavis Knight » Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:01 pm
Steve wrote:
I should add onto what I was saying before:
Lavis Knight
Frequent Forumer
Let's not get tied up in ideological views on the role of the government, etc etc.
My overarching point is simply that we're playing a game that has a strong social, community

element to it, and we work better if the team benefits than if individuals benefit. Our goal Posts: 182
in the court, in my eyes, should be to arbitrate matters for the collective benefit of the Joined: Mon Jun 29, 2009
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community which we are supposed to represent. So if we reach an agreement on a creative Cash on hand: 46.00

solution to the Pimp situation which benefits everyone (or a maximum of eCanadians), does [Donate]
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that not align with our real goal? Location: NB, Canada
I would argue giving it to the government would maximize it, we need to trust our elected
officials whom were chosen by the people.
The allocation of resources is not our job or mandate we were not elected as congress is.
We have no right -> it creates too many conflicts of interest for us to decide the use of
returned funds
Yes I would, IF Rolo gave that money back to a group or entity that benefit all eCanadians,
which is the implicit purpose of the government itself.
So we would allocate the entire treasury ourselves? Again we were not elected by the
constituency to be here. They DID elect the government that is why it would need to go
back to them. We are not the ones who choose what is best use of those resources -> only to
return them to the use of the government elected by the people.

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Lavis I'm not talking about us specifying the allocation of government funds at all, I'm simply
saying we shouldn't disallow consideration of bodies other than the government just because
they aren't the government - this is a game, and part of playing a game can require creative
solutions. Otherwise, this would be an academic exercise.
If it can be demonstrated that an entity achieves a higher social impact than another entity,
then we should allow the money to flow to the higher impact, that's all.
Steve

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by the grinch » Sat Oct 02, 2010 10:46 pm
Well here is my opinion on the matter:

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Pimp owes cash, the CAF needs it. If you read the post on the proposed donation to the 9:57 am
Cash on hand: 8.00
CAF, the CAF requested 8k, they got 6k because they needed to allocate some cash to the
[Donate]
MPP's. (click on the debate link on the law below) Medals: 1

http://www.erepublik.com/en/Canada/law/49681
Pimp wants access to the congressional forums.
Pimp recieved 666 CAD which he needs to return.
As far as I am concerned, if Pimp returns the 666 CAD to the Canadian National Defense org
(we need to ask chucky for the exact link), I would be more than willing to reduce the
additional sentence - ban from the forums and ecanIRC to 0 days. After all, it is the cash
that is important in this matter.
If Pimp does not have the entire cash amount available, he sends what he can to the
Canadian National Defense org, and makes up the difference with product that the CAF uses
(Pimp has companies). We would ONLY accept this if what he offers is useful to the CAF. If
it isn't useful, then no dice. In addition, I want this verified. The CAF org may have stuff in
it, so there could be some debate as to what Pimp actually sent. I want to avoid this
potential pitfall. If he could send the product to one of our orgs so we can verify that he
sends what he said he would send and then we forward it to the CAF, I would be more
comfortable with that.
Now if this is acceptable to Pimp, (and it should be as he must be aware that after rolo
screwing Canada, Canada is in bad shape) the next thing is how can the courts deal with
this? I have reviewed the case, and his conviction is totally legit. It it all based on
precedent. The charges are all good, despite pimp claiming they aren't during the trial. We
would be fully within our rights to refuse the case.
If we allowed an appeal to go through on the charges, we would be throwing out the

precedent. The precedent being, when there are no current laws to deal with the situation,
we may refer to common law. I have no desire to throw this out as it has the potential to
handcuff future court justices. Erep is an evolving game and there may be opportunties for
unacceptable actions based on changes in game play that nobody can predict.
In addition, we have no AG, so courts cannot move forward without them when it comes to
presenting evidence.
What I propose is we allow an appeal on the sentence. The AG is not involved in the
sentencing portion, only the presenting of the evidence. From there we can allow a payment
of the cash and/or product to the CAF with a total value of 666, and in return, we remove
the banning from IRC and Forums. We then put this issue to bed.
If this doesn't work out, I do have an idea on other options, however at this time, I think
this is the best solution, and most desireable one that should be sought.


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by Petz » Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:30 am

some one needs to contact pimp and also get him access to the public thread in the justice Posts: 428
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by Lavis Knight » Sun Oct 03, 2010 4:35 pm
Petz wrote:
some one needs to contact pimp and also get him access to the public thread in the justice
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Yea i really don't want to have to wait for someone to pick an AG.. and have it delay this Posts: 182
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by Steve » Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:36 pm
Okay boys,
Pimp now has his "in custody" masking, which will allow his new account "PDollaz" to speak
to us directly through the court forum subsection. (It should be noted that Kronos Q was
having trouble figuring out how to unban the "PimpDollaz" account, though both are now
under the "in-custody" mask) Kronos has notified me that he was able to unban the
"PimpDollaz" account, which now has an "in-custody" mask, so I have let Pimp know he can
use his original account to communicate with us on the forums.
Steve
I say we move forward with Grinch's plan. I've informed Pimp that we want him to pay the Forum Elder
666 CAD directly back to the CND org, due to the fact that the CAF is hurting for cash. I've
pitched it along the lines of he can look good for doing his part to support the war effort in
a time of need, the CAF can save face for getting its money back, and we can look good for Posts: 281
getting this chapter closed. This way nobody is being strongarmed, nobody made to look the 12:24 pm
fool, and everybody gets what they want - Pimp gets congress, CAF gets paid, we get a Cash on hand: 109.00
resolution.
Thoughts?

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by the grinch » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:04 pm
Sounds like the ball is in pimp's court. Lets see what he has to say.
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by Lavis Knight » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:14 pm
Sounds like a plan Steve,
Although is pimp having trouble getting in? Lavis Knight

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by Lavis Knight » Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:15 pm
Why is this taking so long?
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I spoke with Kronos -> apparently he has been masked properly. He and I both sent Pimp a
pm so he should certainly know about the situation by now.
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by Steve » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:55 pm
I told you when I spoke with Pimp last, he just hasn't responded - that's up to him.

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by Steve » Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:16 am
Who the fuck gave Pimpdollaz his

congressional masking back?
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by Petz » Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:29 am

exactly this should be halted IMMEDIATELY Posts: 428
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by Lavis Knight » Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:04 am
It would of been Kronos Q? When i asked him i asked if He had been masked so he could
make a petition.. apparently he gave him congressional masking as well ^_^?
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All i can see is the 3 posts he made while "in custody", is it his other account? Frequent Forumer
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Strange his original account is active.. it says "in custody", but it seems as if he is able to 9:44 am
post. It would appear as if we lost our barganing chip. He hasn't responded to me at all.. i Cash on hand: 46.00
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by Petz » Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:15 pm

then steve tell kronos to immediately halt all his access....screw the masking...he can Posts: 428
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by Steve » Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:17 pm
I've contacted Alias Vision, Etemenanki, Chochi, Nosyt, and Kronos about this.
Looks like Kronos assumed the "In Custody" mask would supercede the "Member of Congress"
access. Obviously, it does not.
Regardless, it is being looked into (you can see Kronos' explanation to Congress here). Let's
take this as an honest mistake and a learning experience for the admins.
Because we all need some more Steve in our Steve

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by the grinch » Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:25 pm
well as long as they get it fixed, no big deal, mistakes happen. Someone mentioned
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Looks like they deleted all of Pimpdollars posts -> the mask i assume has been applied
properly; however, i have not heard from Pimpdollars at all. I messaged him about it earlier
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I haven't heard from Pimp either.
If he doesn't want to resolve the situation, then he must not want Congressional access too
badly.

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I heard from Pimpdollars, he says he does plan to send a petition ^_^;
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by Steve » Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:48 pm
My opinion would be that since he dragged his feet on getting back to any of us directly
about the deal, I'd say he's shown he doesn't want congressional access too badly. Let him
deal with the AG through the regular slow process now - he had a good long chance to get
back to us, and didn't bother.
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by Lavis Knight » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:08 am
Steve wrote:
My opinion would be that since he dragged his feet on getting back to any of us directly
Lavis Knight
about the deal, I'd say he's shown he doesn't want congressional access too badly. Let him Frequent Forumer
deal with the AG through the regular slow process now - he had a good long chance to get
back to us, and didn't bother.

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I don't agree, the last thing we want to show as a court is vengeance. We want to get this Location: NB, Canada
done quickly -> the punishment in delaying is already inherent. Pimpdollaz lost 4 or 5 days.
The regular slow process doesn't work -> the government can't even get an AG. I want to get
this done now. If anything the Government has shown that it is dragging its feet and it is
unacceptable.
Trying to get back at someone is not what we should be doing.

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by Steve » Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:48 pm

Don't confuse vengeance with "hey man I extended my helping hand and you didn't take it"...
deadlines are important incentives.
Pimp decided not to reply to us - that's his prerogative. We're under no obligation to extend
the helping hand twice to someone who's fully willing to spit on it. Especially not if he
wants to put on a big show.
I agree that the regular process doesn't work, at all. That's why we offered Pimp the deal Steve
Lavis, the deal which he didn't even bother to reply to us about. He's now asking for Forum Elder
"counsel" for a "trial", which he can surely have.

He can deal with the new Attorney General, and have the proceedings be dragged out just Posts: 281
like normal. I'm not interested in dealing with him privately anymore, which would have 12:24 pm
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by Lavis Knight » Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:05 am
Pimp seems to be willing to work out a deal by donating assets in lieu of the CAD.
What do you think? Lavis Knight

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by Steve » Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:22 am
Re: assets in lieu of cash
That will probably be OK, but aside from the details of how that will work - which will be
up to us to outline to a T - the question remains as to whether Pimp will be able to present
a compelling argument for appealing his original sentence.

Steve
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Steve wrote:
Re: assets in lieu of cash
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In the end the most compelling argument may be being in a position to recoup what was Bank: 1,370.77
taken. Location: NB, Canada
As much as people may sneer at it -> it really serves the purpose.

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Re: assets in lieu of cash 9:57 am
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a compelling argument for appealing his original sentence.
They will have to be useful assets for sure. If/when he actually decides to deal with this we
can ask for a list of what he has available and can submit it to chucky or coda. (Not sure
what ramizeth is doing now.) If they see some value then we can move from there. Since
the CAF buys its stuff on the Canadian market, making a valuation should be easy, as long
as it is available. As soon as we see the submission, we can go look at the market and see
what the stuff is worth. If it isn't available, we can look at sveeral Eden friendly markets and
see what they sell it for.


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by Steve » Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:24 am

PDP just sent me this:
Philip Delle Palme wrote:

As attorney general I am wanting to offer pimpdollaz a deal. Taking in to account the factor
of time served the deal is as follows.
Payment of 10 gold to the government

Steve
One month voluntarily exclusion from congress Forum Elder
Public apology in the forums

In return he gets Posts: 281
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12:24 pm
Acknowledgement of justice served and returns to a normal status without these actions Cash on hand: 109.00
being held over his head.
Please let me know if the court finds this acceptable.
Thoughts?

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by Petz » Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:40 am

no problem with the one month exclusion but it must be 30 days from the day it is Posts: 428
agreed...this month does not count as he had yet to deal or appeal...the gold is a little 10:19 pm
more than half the initial amount...however, if the government has no objections to it then Cash on hand: 10.00
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let's get this done as a new case is about to start
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by Steve » Sun Oct 17, 2010 1:20 pm
OK, now PDP sends me this:

Pimpdollaz is prepared to offer a house purchased at 700 dollars in place of the 666 dollars
owed. I feel this to be satisfactory and I hope that the court feels so as well. This plus his
time served should be more than ample to satisfy the courts definition of justice.

Steve

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by the grinch » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:51 pm

OK, now PDP sends me this: 9:57 am
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Pimpdollaz is prepared to offer a house purchased at 700 dollars in place of the 666
dollars owed. I feel this to be satisfactory and I hope that the court feels so as well.
This plus his time served should be more than ample to satisfy the courts definition of
justice.
I don't support this without knowing the following:
1) I want more details on the house. How much wellness (on the actual house, not including
the bonus the admins are giving us) and how many days left? I want to see what it has left
and value it based on what the market value is. He may have paid 700 for it a month ago
and there is only 10 days left on the durabulity lol.
2) I want to know who this house is going to benefit
3) Time served... he hasn't served any. The only time he has served is the permanent ban
until he paid up, which was totally under his control from the very beginning.
Give me more details on the house before I make a decision.
And, I want to know if this is acceptable to the CAF since it was originally their funds. If
they are happy and use it as a raffle or something like that, and the house is decent, then I
am more apt to support it.


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by Lavis Knight » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:19 am
It would be nice to know the condition the house is in ect...
I would not want to be fooled about this. Even brand new the house probably isn't worth Lavis Knight

more than 400 to 500 Cad by today's standards: Frequent Forumer
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As you can see besides one outlier (2000 cad) the rest seem to be in the 400 to 500 dollar 9:44 am
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So lets see the house and he should probably add more assets if this is the offer. Location: NB, Canada
We should not give him a chance to dump a bad investment for his benefit.

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by the grinch » Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:33 am

Lavis Knight wrote: Posts: 344
It would be nice to know the condition the house is in ect... 9:57 am
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I would not want to be fooled about this. Even brand new the house probably isn't worth
Medals: 1
more than 400 to 500 Cad by today's standards:
http://economy.erepublik.com/en/market/ ... price_desc
As you can see besides one outlier (2000 cad) the rest seem to be in the 400 to 500 dollar
range assuming high quality + new.
So lets see the house and he should probably add more assets if this is the offer.
We should not give him a chance to dump a bad investment for his benefit.
Glad to see we are on the same page on this. The house should be valued on what it is in
the market today. He can then make up the difference with the 10g he was offering as well
so that the total can be $666.00. Once that has been figured out we can then talk about the
banning.


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by Steve » Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:09 am
Here are the details of the house:
PimpDollaz wrote:
My house has 93 days left and gives 25 wellness. All houses give double wellness until
nov. 5, so it will give 50 wellness until that date
Steve
He claims that it was purchased at 700 CAD. I believe that this will cover the cost factor Forum Elder
that you mentioned. I know that I am going a little out of my job with this case. Back when

I first joined the game (5 months ago) Pimp was going through his first trial and I wanted to

help represent him as he was one of the first people I met. Posts: 281
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SO, if one of you is more familiar with the housing market, let's hammer out the valuation
part of the deal. Once we have a firm estimate of its worth, we can go back to Pimp and
make up the difference (if necessary), then see if the government/CAF is willing to take the
asset in lieu of outright payment.

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by the grinch » Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:56 am

Here are the details of the house: 9:57 am
Cash on hand: 8.00
Philip Delle Palme wrote: [Donate]
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PimpDollaz wrote:
My house has 93 days left and gives 25 wellness. All houses give double wellness
until nov. 5, so it will give 50 wellness until that date
He claims that it was purchased at 700 CAD. I believe that this will cover the cost
factor that you mentioned. I know that I am going a little out of my job with this case.
Back when I first joined the game (5 months ago) Pimp was going through his first trial
and I wanted to help represent him as he was one of the first people I met.
SO, if one of you is more familiar with the housing market, let's hammer out the valuation
part of the deal. Once we have a firm estimate of its worth, we can go back to Pimp and
make up the difference (if necessary), then see if the government/CAF is willing to take the
asset in lieu of outright payment.
The house sells for $267.65 CAD

http://economy.erepublik.com/en/company ... e-2/185239
Wellness 25, durability 100 days
The next house on the market with the same wellness and durability sells for $277.74
http://economy.erepublik.com/en/company ... es1/227639
Lets not quibble about the 7 days durability used already.
666-267.75 = 398.35 CAD owing
On the money market:

1 CAD = .026g

398.35 CAD = 10.35g
So not to be a nitpick, I would accept 10g, what he originally offered to make up the cash
portion.
So the house + 10g will settle his debt. If he is willing to accept this right away, I would also
be willing to talk about reducing his forum/irc ban.
Edit: Chucky indicated he wanted an apology, and if he does this would be much more apt
to be lenient on the extra ban time.


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by Steve » Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:51 am
Details of the deal sent to PDP.

Now we wait to see if Pimp is willing to play ball.

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by Steve » Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:23 pm
Just got this from PDP - lol...

I notice that you estimated the value of the house at the cheapest available. I would ask
that you bring our discussion to the rest of the justices if you haven't already. I would like to
hear what they have to say on this matter in PM's from them.
Steve
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Have at it boys.


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by the grinch » Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:19 pm

Just got this from PDP - lol... 9:57 am
Cash on hand: 8.00
[Donate]
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I notice that you estimated the value of the house at the cheapest available. I would
ask that you bring our discussion to the rest of the justices if you haven't already. I
would like to hear what they have to say on this matter in PM's from them.
Have at it boys.
done, and sent a copy to all the justices.


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by Lavis Knight » Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:58 pm
I sent him a basic reply ;although , i do disagree with some of you to this extent:
If he does pay the fine i say just throw out the forum ban. I would think getting the House Lavis Knight
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by Petz » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:05 pm

if we get the cash and house I am ok will reducing his ban to a minimal amount with the Posts: 428
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by the grinch » Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:18 am

I sent him a basic reply ;although , i do disagree with some of you to this extent: 9:57 am
Cash on hand: 8.00
[Donate]
If he does pay the fine i say just throw out the forum ban. I would think getting the House
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+10g is an amazing feat on its own
I don't think it would be an amazing feat, he is just paying what he owes. We don't want
to be seen as a discount store or every time the court passed sentence it would be
immediately appealed so they could get the "discount".
As for the additional forum ban, I don't want to just throw it out, I would like it replaced by
something. We could trade it for an apology to Chucky, which doesn't need to be made
public if that would cause Pimp to balk at the deal. An apology via PM would suffice. Chucky
mentioned to Steve that he would also consider taking him back into the CAF, which would
certainly be a bonus for pimp as he was a reserve officer for quite some time.


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Petz' condition of good behaviour on the forums might be a solid idea too; Pimp gets a
warning on any post, as judged legitimate by the forum mods, and he gets his 6 week ban
automatically.

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Give me your thoughts on this:
I've asked Pimp whether he's planning on actually bringing an appeal forward re: his
sentence, but it seems like that's dead in the water. The line of reasoning PDP gave for his

possible arguments was very weak.
What if we 1) finished up an agreeable deal to complete the monetary restitution, then 2)

had Alias render a pardon based on our conditions in order to get around the 6 week ban? Steve
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Steve wrote:
Give me your thoughts on this:
Lavis Knight
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What if we 1) finished up an agreeable deal to complete the monetary restitution, then 2) Cash on hand: 46.00
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I agree with this ^_^ Let's get this case over with.

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by Petz » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:52 pm

agree let's get something out of it Posts: 428
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by the grinch » Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:22 pm

Give me your thoughts on this: 9:57 am
Cash on hand: 8.00
[Donate]
Medals: 1
possible arguments was very weak.
What if we 1) finished up an agreeable deal to complete the monetary restitution, then 2)

had Alias render a pardon based on our conditions in order to get around the 6 week ban?
You can't just pardon part of a sentence Alias already said he had no intention of
pardoning pimp anyways.
I have a suggestion that should work. Pimp has had an "in custody mask" In RL courts they
usually give double the value of time served if the defendant has been in pre-trial
custody. So if the defendant was in custody prior to trial for a year, he would get 2 years
off whatever his sentence was. Pimp has approached this to end his banning so lets give him
double time towards the time he has served "in-custody" He got his in-custody mask October
5th, it is now Oct 20, so 15 days today. We knock 30 days off his banning. It will probably be
a couple more days before this is wrapped up, crediting him even more time.
thoughts?


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by Lavis Knight » Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:11 pm
I don't see a problem with pardoning part of the sentence espcially since he has been
essentially banned from the forums for so long anyway.
Lavis Knight
Let him count the time before as the ban he was supposed to serve and let him pay what he Frequent Forumer
owes so we can get past this.

Why hang onto it any longer? Posts: 182
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Let's be clear on this:

- Pimp has served no time to date, as his ban was simply conditional on him paying back the
funds; that's his choice - he can choose to pay the funds back or not, at any time, regardless
of what anyone else does or says
- "time served" applies only to the time spent in these proceedings

Steve
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- Nobody wants to hang onto anything. Out of all of you, I'm probably the most
sympathetic to Pimp's situation. Regardless of that, the basic point of our job is to maintain

a legal system that is both fair and consistent - otherwise there's no point to what we do. Posts: 281
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The problem is unlike a real court we have very little enforcing power.
It will be very difficult to get Pimp to pay anything back if we say he has to wait 6 weeks Lavis Knight
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after the payment.
Can we at least give him access to congress forums if he is in office (Assuming he pays back).
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Pimp gets nothing until he pays back the money that wasn't meant for him - it's as simple as
that.

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Steve wrote:
Pimp gets nothing until he pays back the money that wasn't meant for him - it's as simple as
Lavis Knight
that. Frequent Forumer

My dispute isn't that -> it is rather what occurs after he pays the money back. Posts: 182
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Steve wrote:
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Pimp gets nothing until he pays back the money that wasn't meant for him - it's as [Donate]
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simple as that.
My dispute isn't that -> it is rather what occurs after he pays the money back.
I already made the suggestion on double time while in custody mask = 4 weeks out of the 6
weeks. The other 2 weeks could be converted to the suggestion petz made on "good
behaviour", a probationary period of you will.


congres
Lol, Pimp must not want into Congress all that badly. Here's his reply to me after telling him
how we'd be valuating his house, and the subsequent deal:
PimpDollaz wrote:

anyone can see that there are several Q5 houses on the worldwide market that are well over
666 CAD ( the Q5 I bought was from Poland, take a look at their market ) Admittedly, I used
it for a week, so now it has 93 days, not 100, but the higher cost will reflect the loss. You
Steve
probably just stopped at the first Q5 house you saw, without looking at all the houses. There Forum Elder
are lots of them out there that are worth more than what I paid.

If you guys want the house, you got it. If that's still not enough, I can throw in some guns or Posts: 281
some food, or some MT's, whatever, but a house plus 10 Gold is a total shakedown man. Joined: Thu Sep 02, 2010
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Thats up to him. If he wants to keep arguing, he can - he just won't have access.

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congres
Perhaps then he should sell the house?
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congres
His latest reply to mine:
PimpDollaz wrote:
Steve wrote:
Why would anyone valuate a product at the highest requested price?
Why would we valuate a product on the basis of a foreign market, if that product is

readily available in the Canadian market? Steve

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I don't really care what you give in lieu of currency, or in combination with currency,
but it has to valuate to 666 CAD based on the Canadian market price. It's as simple as
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that man. Joined: Thu Sep 02, 2010
12:24 pm
It exceeds current market values. If you want to get technical, the donation happened way
back in V1, so we ought to go by those market values. A Q5 house back then cost upwards of
35 Gold, so if I were to use a Q5 house as payment in these market times, you guys would
actually owe me 15 Gold.
Look, you just can't use current market values as a measuring stick because values fluctuate
all the time. We could just as easily be talking about houses that cost over 1000 CAD (which
currently exist), in which case you guys would be screaming and yelling that you were
getting a bum deal.
btw, are you the only one making these pronouncements, or are you running this by the rest
of the judges?

lives

congres
The argument is weak -> if he were to sell that house today he would get no where near 35
gold pieces for it.
Lavis Knight
If he could he wouldn't be giving us the house. He would in fact sell it and give us a third of Frequent Forumer
its value. What matters to us is what it is worth now not what it was worth a year ago.

We are concerned with the payment of his fine today. If he cannot get 35g at current Posts: 182
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by Steve » Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:56 am
The latest reply from Pimp:
PimpDollaz wrote:
Tell you what. How about the Q5 House (25 Wellness, 93 days), plus a Q2 House (20
Wellness, 20 Days). The Q2 House is worth 10 Gold in market terms, but will take a few
days to build.

Has it been decided who will be the recipient of my exceeding largess?

Steve
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congres
Where is he getting his values from?
I see those as worth about a third of the value he claims.... Lavis Knight
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http://economy.erepublik.com/en/market/ ... rice_asc/1

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Actually if you check i can get waaay better houses for less and its not like is a outlier of 9:44 am
just checking one offer. If he is running a business i question how he stays in business with Cash on hand: 46.00
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that competition.... Bank: 1,370.77
(Keep in mind 10 gold is currently about 400 CAD -> There are houses selling for a bout 3
gold from several sellers that are superior to the one he is offering for 10)
We really need to see his math in terms of the Canadian market how he can justify selling a
house with 20 days at 20 health per day at a value of 400 cad...i feel like he is mocking us
at this point.

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by the grinch » Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:23 am

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Where is he getting his values from? 9:57 am
Cash on hand: 8.00
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I see those as worth about a third of the value he claims.... Medals: 1
http://economy.erepublik.com/en/market/ ... rice_asc/1
Actually if you check i can get waaay better houses for less and its not like is a outlier of
just checking one offer. If he is running a business i question how he stays in business with
that competition....
(Keep in mind 10 gold is currently about 400 CAD -> There are houses selling for a bout 3
gold from several sellers that are superior to the one he is offering for 10)
We really need to see his math in terms of the Canadian market how he can justify selling a
house with 20 days at 20 health per day at a value of 400 cad...i feel like he is mocking us
at this point.
I agree. That house is NOT worth 10g, not even close.
Look, you just can't use current market values as a measuring stick because values fluctuate
all the time. We could just as easily be talking about houses that cost over 1000 CAD (which
currently exist), in which case you guys would be screaming and yelling that you were
getting a bum deal.

We can use current market values and should. I think at this point you should tell pimp just
to make up the offer so it reaches 666 CAD in value. He has also offered food and weapons
lets see what q level they are and we can evaluate that.
If pimp disagrees with valuation, lets just tell him to pay the cash amount due of $666 and
be done with it. He can then sell whatever assests he wants to make up that amount. After
all if he is saying they are worth more than we value it, he should have no problem selling
them for the value he sees the product having.


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by Petz » Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:18 pm

at this point i suggest he be told to provide CAD Posts: 428
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by the grinch » Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:20 pm
has pimp given up?

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by Steve » Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:40 pm
I can't say I've heard from Pimp since the last time I heard from Pimp

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The verdict from his court case:

This case is now closed.

In my opinion, his request must be denied for the following reasons:

We can't just change the verdict and sentence on a whim.

1) He was found guilty and sentenced.

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demonstrably benefit the community, isn't that an effective form of restitution?

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