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Time of Arrival

When did Michael leave heaven and arrive on earth in the first century?

Mary, Joseph's wife, gave birth to a son. He was perfect. That didn't mean he never made any mistakes or
could do everything correctly the first time. It just meant he was without Adamic sin and therefore not
susceptible to sickness, disease, and premature death.

He grew up much like every other child, playing and enjoying himself. And as a young adult, although he was
smarter than most, he still had friends and family. He had chores and worked at a job like everyone else, and
no doubt also had activities he enjoyed doing like everyone else. He had a favorite color, a favorite food, and
favorite music. He was a human with all of our likes and emotions.

He knew that his true father was Jehovah and he would naturally speak to Him in prayer, as we do today,
but there is no scriptural evidence that Jehovah ever spoke back to him. To learn about Jehovah he asked
the priests questions and read the scrolls that were available to him.

Then one day, when he reached a certain age, it was time to fulfill the role that he was born for. So Jesus
went to John to be baptized. Once baptized another personality took over his mind. This new person was a
multi-million year old, extremely intelligent and experienced entity; the only-begotten-Son of Jehovah, known
in the heavens as Michael. The life that Jesus had lived was merely a tiny blip of existence compared to
Michael's vast life-span and experience.

If Jesus had lived a millennia and had a millennia's worth of experiences and acquired-knowledge perhaps
their two personalities would have melded together. But Jesus had barely reached adult-hood. None of what
Jesus knew was even remotely new to Michael. Doubtless Jesus' very limited life experiences had no
influence over or added anything to the vast intellect of Michael. So at that moment, Jesus, in effect, died.
The body still existed but the personality within was 100% dominated by Michael. From that point on the
personality of Jesus, the son of Mary, was no more.

That describes what happened, according to our current thinking. But do the scriptures back up this premise?
Are there scriptures that counter it? That is what we will look into here.

Proposition

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Why did i even start this line of reasoning? Because there were scriptures that just didn't seem to work with
our current thinking. But this hypothesis made those scriptures make sense, and once considered appears
to be the logical and obvious answer. Those scriptures will be covered here.

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Even the writings of the former prophets could not be taken at face value and needed to be interpreted:

(Luke 24:25-27) So he said to them: “O senseless ones and slow of heart to believe all the things the prophets
have spoken! 26 Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?” 27 And
starting with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them things pertaining to himself in all the
Scriptures.

He calls them "senseless" (foolish) to believe everything the prophets said. Why is that? Should we not
believe the Bible? Of course we should. But just reading the scriptures does not mean we truly understand
their meaning. We have to examine the context and related scriptures before the true meaning will open up
to us. And we are categorically instructed not to rely on someone else to do that for us.—Php 1:10; Ro 12:2

(Luke 24:32) And they said to each other: “Were not our hearts burning within us as he was speaking to us on
the road, as he was fully opening up the Scriptures to us?”

(Luke 24:45) Then he opened up their minds fully to grasp the meaning of the Scriptures,

Yes, their hearts were no longer "slow", but were burning within them as he revealed to them what was truly
meant by the prophets writings. (Hearing the truth of a matter often has that same effect on us.)

His disciples no doubt were very familiar with the writings of the prophets, otherwise they could not "believe
all the things the prophets have spoken." (Lu 24:25) They could probably even quote them from memory.
But they did not see beyond the surface of what was written. Was the underlying meaning something that
was beyond their ability to deduce? No, since he blamed their lack of understand on their own senselessness.
Just like most people today, they probably just read the scrolls, listened to what their religious leaders told
them it meant, and never questioned it or did their own research to see if what they were taught was
scripturally accurate.—Acts 17:11

What defines a person?

So the question is: Did Mary’s conception truly mark the arrival of Michael? Before we can answer that
another question must be addressed: What defines a person? If the answer is our personality and our
memories that shaped it, than when did Michael's memories and personality arrive on earth?

Did the child and young man known as Jesus have Michael’s memories and personality prior to his baptism?
Not according to scripture.

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Present "thinking"

Our current thinking on the time of Jesus' arrival seems to be based solely on one scripture: Galatians 4:4

[It-2 Jesus Christ p56.] Since actual conception took place, it appears that Jehovah God caused an ovum, or
egg cell, in Mary’s womb to become fertile, accomplishing this by the transferal of the life of his firstborn Son
from the spirit realm to earth. (Ga 4:4) Only in this way could the child eventually born have retained identity as
the same person who had resided in heaven as the Word, and only in this way could he have been an actual
son of Mary and hence a genuine descendant of her forefathers Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, and King David
and legitimate heir of the divine promises made to them.

(Galatians 4:4) But when the full limit of the time arrived, God sent his Son, who was born of a woman and who
was under law.

That scripture does not say that God sent Michael, his only-begotten Son. Nor does it say that He sent his
Son to be "born of a woman." And it does not say He sent him from heaven to earth.

Verse 4 begins with the word "but". "But" what? That answer is found in the previous 3 verses.

(Galatians 4:1-4) Now I say that as long as the heir is a young child, he is no different from a slave, although he
is the lord of all things, 2 but he is under supervisors and stewards until the day set ahead of time by his father.
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Likewise, we too, when we were children, were enslaved by the elementary things of the world. 4 But when the
full limit of the time arrived, God sent his Son, who was born of a woman and who was under law.

Those verses tell us that God's Son was not old enough to take on his duties. "But" when he finally reached
the appropriate age, then he was "sent" to take on his duties. And which son of God is being referred to?
The one "who was born of a woman." The verse isn't saying that he was sent to be born of a woman, but is
using that to identify which son of God was sent. The one who was born of a woman.

Michael was millions of years old. God did not need to wait for him to reach adulthood before He sent him to
earth, so Galatians 4:4 is not talking about God's only-begotten Son being transferred from the spirit realm
into Mary's womb once he was old enough.

Then who is Galatians 4:4 talking about? Who had finally reached an appropriate age? The verse says that
"God sent his Son, who was (had already been, past tense) born of a woman." So Galatians 4:4 is merely
telling us that when Mary's son, Jesus, the perfect human son of God, reached the appropriate age, he was
"sent" to fulfill the role set for him. He was sent once he was old enough.

Mary's perfect human son Jesus could not have fulfilled his duties as Christ if he was not old enough. For
the Jewish community alive at that time to have any respect for him and give him a listening ear he had to
be what they considered to be fully an adult, and a Jew as they were. That meant he needed to be at least
30 years old and born of a Jewish woman, meaning he was indisputably a legitimate Jew. Matrilineal descent
was very important to the Jews.

So Galatians 4:4 is telling us that "when the full limit of the time arrived (when Jesus reached thirty years of
age), God sent his Son, who was born of a woman (His human Son) and who was under law (was a Jew)."
In other words, God sent His 30 year old human Jewish son.

Publications

Here is what our publications say about Michael coming to earth:

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[it-1 p. 250 Baptism] Luke states that Jesus was praying at the time of his baptism. (Lu 3:21) Further, the writer
of the letter to the Hebrews says that when Jesus Christ came “into the world” (that is, not when he was
born and could not read and say these words, but when he presented himself for baptism and began his
ministry) he was saying, in accord with Psalm 40:6-8 (LXX): “Sacrifice and offering you did not want, but you
prepared a body for me. . . . Look! I am come (in the roll of the book it is written about me) to do your will, O
God.”

So he came into the world, not when he was born, but when he was baptized; utilizing the "body" that was
prepared for him.

[it-2 p. 59] God’s spirit poured out upon Jesus doubtless illuminated his mind on many points. His own
expressions thereafter, and particularly the intimate prayer to his Father on Passover night, 33 C.E., show that
Jesus recalled his prehuman existence and the things he had heard from his Father and the things he had seen
his Father do, as well as the glory that he himself had enjoyed in the heavens. (Joh 6:46; 7:28, 29; 8:26, 28, 38;
14:2; 17:5) It may well have been that the memory of these things was restored to him at the time of his
baptism and anointing.

"Illuminated his mind"? 'Memory restored'? So Michael's memories were in Jesus' mind the whole time, just
not accessible by Jesus? The words "doubtless" and "it may well have been" show that this is entirely the
reasoning of the writers. There are no scriptures that back up that concept.

[hs p. 93] 27 By the declaration made from heaven Jehovah God announced that he had brought forth a spiritual
Son having the prospect of entering into the heavenly kingdom of God. Mary, the mother of what was flesh,
was not the mother of this spiritual Son of God, and thereafter Jesus is never reported as addressing her as
“mother.” Accordingly Jesus is spoken of as “the One born from God” who keeps watch over his disciples, his
followers. For instance, in 1 John 5:18 we read: “The begotten Son of God protects him, and the Evil One does
not touch him.” (The Jerusalem Bible) “It is the Son of God who keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot touch
him.” (The New English Bible) So Jesus’ relationship toward his earthly mother, Mary, changed. Henceforth he
devoted himself to spiritual things, not to carpentering in Mary’s town of Nazareth.

[It-2 p. 347] After his baptism, Jesus did not show special favoritism toward Mary; he addressed her, not as
“mother,” but simply as “woman.” (Joh 2:4; 19:26) This was in no sense an expression of disrespect,… Mary was
Jesus’ mother according to the flesh; but since his spirit-begetting at the time of his baptism, he was primarily
God’s spiritual Son, his “mother” being “the Jerusalem above.” —Mt 12:46-50; Mr 3:31-35; Lu 8:19-21. When
the wine ran out at a wedding in Cana of Galilee and Mary said to Jesus, “They have no wine,” he responded:
“What have I to do with you, woman? My hour has not yet come.” (Joh 2:1-4) Jesus here used an ancient form
of question that occurs eight times in the Hebrew Scriptures (Jos 22:24; Jg 11:12; 2Sa 16:10; 19:22; 1Ki 17:18;
2Ki 3:13; 2Ch 35:21; Ho 14:8) and six times in the Greek Scriptures. (Mt 8:29; Mr 1:24; 5:7; Lu 4:34; 8:28; Joh
2:4) Literally translated, the question is: “What to me and to you?” meaning, “What is there in common between
me and you?” or, “What do I and you have in common?” or, “What have I to do with you?” In every instance
where it is used, the question indicates an objection to the thing suggested, proposed, or suspected. Jesus,
therefore, lovingly couched his gentle reproof in this form, indicating to his mother that his direction came not
from her but from the Supreme Authority who had sent him. (1Co 11:3) Mary’s sensitive and humble nature was
quick to catch the point and accept the correction. Stepping back and letting Jesus take the lead, she remarked
to the attendants: “Whatever he tells you, do.”—Joh 2:5.

Jesus Pre-baptism

Here are what the scriptures say about Jesus before his baptism:

(Lu 1:80) And the young child grew up and became strong in spirit, and he continued in the desert until the day
he showed himself openly to Israel.

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(Lu 2:40) 40 And the young child continued growing and getting strong, being filled with wisdom, and God’s favor
continued upon him.

(Luke 2:46) Well, after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers and listening
to them and asking them questions.

(Luke 2:52) And Jesus went on progressing in wisdom and in physical growth and in favor with God and men.

Those scriptures show that Michael's intellect was not present in the mind of Jesus. The young (perfect)
Jesus had wisdom, and progressed in wisdom. But there was nothing that anyone could have taught Michael
that would have caused him to progress in wisdom. Michael knew more than they ever could. Michael would
not have needed to ask them questions.

After his baptism he returned to the synagogue and taught:

(Mt 13:54-56) After coming into his home territory, he began to teach them in their synagogue, so that they were
astounded and said: “Where did this man get this wisdom and these powerful works? 55 Is this not the
carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary, and his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?
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And his sisters, are they not all with us? Where, then, did he get all of this?”

(Joh 7:14, 15) When the festival was half over, Jesus went up into the temple and began teaching. 15 And the
Jews were astonished, saying: “How does this man have such a knowledge of the Scriptures when he has not
studied at the schools?”

They knew Jesus, but this person had wisdom and knowledge that Jesus did not have.

Prior to his baptism does the Bible refer to Jesus in any way other than a mere human? Lu 2:11 is the only
place where he is referred to as "Savior" or "Christ" prier to baptism. But here is what the Insight book says
about that:

[it-1 p. 438] “...at his birth, Jesus was not yet the Anointed One or Christ.” but he was referred to as such at Lu
2:11 “in anticipation of Jesus’ future role...” (see also Insight v2 p59) and then immediately after this, he was
referred to just as “an infant”.

All references to Jesus prior to his baptism, none of which reference Michael:

“that which has been begotten in her”, “a son”, “Jesus”, “the young child”, “it”, “my son”, “holy. God’s Son.”, “her
son”, “him”, “there was born to YOU today a Savior, who is Christ [the] Lord, in David’s city” (Lu 2:11), “an infant”
(Lu 2:12), “the infant”, “this young child”, “he”

Is the phrase "Only Begotten" ever used in reference to Jesus before his baptism?

John 1:14—no; John 1:18—no; John 3:16—no (light); John 3:18—no (light); He 11:17—no (Isaac);
1 John 4:9—no.

Michael's Arrival

Here is what the scriptures say about Michael's arrival:

(Hebrews 10:5) So when he comes into the world, he says: “‘Sacrifice and offering you did not want, but you
prepared a body for me.

He did not say: 'you prepared an egg for me' or 'a womb for me'. A "body" would be a fully formed human.

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(Joh 1:6-14) There came a man who was sent as a representative of God; his name was John. 7 This man came
as a witness, in order to bear witness about the light, so that people of all sorts might believe through him. 8 He
was not that light, but he was meant to bear witness about that light. 9 The true light that gives light to every sort
of man was about to come into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world came into existence through
him, but the world did not know him. 11 He came to his own home, but his own people did not accept him.
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However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were
exercising faith in his name. 13 And they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but
from God. 14 So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as
belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.

The words "was about to come into the world" were spoken when Jesus was a 30 year old adult. The "true
light" was not yet in the world at that time. Though the next verse says that he was in the world it then
references the time of creation, and then says that the world did not know him. But the man Jesus, the son
of Mary, was known by the world. (Mt 13:55, 56) Those two things show that Jesus and "the true light" are
two separate individuals. And who is "the true light"? Verse 10 identifies him as the one through whom the
world came into existence. (Ge 1:26; 1Cor 8:6; Col 1:16; He 1:2) We know that person to be Michael, the
only-begotten son of God.

(Mt 3:16, 17) After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were
opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him. 17 Look! Also, a voice from
the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”

Though we are all children of God, only after Jesus' baptism does God call him His "beloved" son.

(Php 2:5-8) Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in
God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. 7 No, but he emptied
himself and took a slave’s form and became human. 8 More than that, when he came as a man, he humbled
himself and became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake.

It was only after "he came as a man" that he humbled himself and became obedient. How did he humble
himself through obedience?

(Hebrews 5:8) Although he was a son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered.

(Philippians 2:8b) he... became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake.

It was the things he suffered and obedience to the point of death that humbled him, not his leaving heaven
and becoming human.

Philippians 2:7 says he "emptied himself," that is to say he shed or left his spirit body. The same Greek word
"ekenōsen" is used at 2 Corinthians 9:3 - "might not prove empty." It does not say that he humbled himself.
His mind remained the same.

The Greek word "labōn" translated as "took" at Philippians 2:7 is translated as "received" at Mt 25:16, 18,
20; Lu 6:4; Joh 13:30; Ac 2:33; Ac 26:10; 1Co 4:7; and 2Pe 1:17. It is translated as "accepted" at Joh 3:33,
as "got" at Ac 16:24, and as "accepting" at 2Co 11:8.

Philippians 2:7 might be better understood if it were translated this way:

"No, but he emptied himself and (received) a slave’s form and became human."

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Nathanael

Is there scriptural evidence to back up the idea that Michael left heaven and entered Jesus at his baptism?

Immediately after his baptism Christ spent 40 days in the wilderness being tempted. (Mt 4:1-11; Mr 1:12, 13;
Lu 4:1-13)

[jy p. 38 par. 1] After 40 days in the wilderness and before heading back to Galilee, Jesus returns to John, who
had baptized him.

Two days later:

[John 1:47-50] Jesus saw Na·thanʹa·el coming toward him and said about him: “See, truly an Israelite in whom
there is no deceit.” 48 Na·thanʹa·el said to him: “How do you know me?” Jesus answered him: “Before Philip
called you, while you were under the fig tree, I saw you.” 49 Na·thanʹa·el responded: “Rabbi, you are the Son of
God, you are King of Israel.” 50 Jesus answered him: “Do you believe because I told you I saw you under the fig
tree? You will see things greater than these.”

How was Christ seeing Nathanael under a fig tree proof of anything? If I said to you that I saw you pumping
gas at the gas station, would that make you think I was the Messiah? Of course not since it is a public place
and many people saw you. What if you were alone in your backyard raking leaves and I said I saw you raking
leaves? You would probably think I just looked over your privacy fence and saw you.

Nathanael must have been under that fig tree in secret, and not just by happenstance. He must have been
there in self-confirmed, complete privacy, otherwise Christ saying he saw him could easily be explained away
somehow. But Christ referred to it as a 'great' thing, so it truly was something extraordinary.

So how did Christ see Nathanael under the fig tree when no human could have possibly seen him? Nowhere
else is Christ said to be able to see people in other locations. In fact he needed to be informed of things that
were going on or things that had happened elsewhere. (Mt 14:13; Mr 5:30-32; Mr 8:27; Lu 8:45, 46) Christ
was a man, a perfect man, but not a superior being with powers of supernatural sight. And it wasn't reported
to him by an angel because he said: "I saw you."

Perhaps Michael saw Nathanael under the fig tree while he was still a spirit creature prior to entering into the
perfect body of Jesus at his baptism.

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Do you say? "But he was already on the stake. It was too late for Jesus to choose not to die." No, that is not
true. Jesus could have chosen not to die even there on the torture stake.

(John 10:17, 18) This is why the Father loves me, because I surrender my life, so that I may receive it again.
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No man takes it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative. I have authority to surrender it, and I
have authority to receive it again. This commandment I received from my Father.”

(New Living Translation) No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to
lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.”

Even upon the torture stake Jesus' life and death were under his own control. Jesus did not die from being
nailed to a torture stake. If Jesus did not want to die, being nailed to a stake would not have killed him. Neither
would a spear through his side have killed him. "No man takes it away from me." It was a "commandment"
of God that no man could take Jesus' life from him. He died upon that stake because that is where he was
when he chose to surrender his life for us. His life was not taken from him, it was given by him at that moment.
(Mt 27:50; Joh 19:30; Lu 23:46)

No, the ransom was not paid with his flesh. A dead man's corpse has no value to Jehovah.
The ransom was paid with a perfect man's willing forfeiture of his life. That was the whole point. If men had
killed Jesus then his death would have been nothing more than a murder. His death would not have been a
payment. In fact it would have caused further debt. (Nu 35:33)

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So do the quoted publications and scriptures sound like Michael left heaven and took up residence in an
ovum to split into 2 cells, then 4, then 8, and so on? Though a single sperm cell contains the DNA pattern of
the final form, it does not have the capacity to hold (in physical form) a person's memories and personality,
especially not the memories and experiences of someone millions of years old as Michael was. As with all
physical creatures a human holds its memories in its brain. How many weeks or months of growth would it
take to for a human brain to grow before it could be implanted with Michael's memories and knowledge? Is
the brain of a new born even developed enough for that?

So where was Michael after conception but before the baptism? Current thinking is that he was there in
Jesus' mind, just dormant and unavailable until after his baptism, at which time he was released from the
depths of Jesus' mind. So even if by a miracle Michael and his vast memories and personality were somehow
transferred into that single cell in that egg in Mary's womb, Michael was basically non-existent for 30 years
(and 9 months), because Michael was neither in heaven nor conscious in human form on earth for that length
of time.

Jesus would have been a normal person who grew up just like everyone else, with no prior memories or
preformed personality traits. Even if Jesus had Michael's memories tucked away in his mind he would have
been a completely different person than Michael due to his life experiences that molded his personality.

Why not wait?

If no aspect of Michael revealed itself until Jesus' baptism why not just wait until then for Michael to leave
heaven and enter Jesus? What difference would there have been for Jesus? None that i can think of. For
Michael, the difference would have been no 30 year period of non-existence. And Jesus would still be taken
over by a different person regardless of whether that person came from heaven, or from the depths of his
own mind.

And there was no need for Michael to experience growing up as a human. He saw it millions of times and
could know what was in the hearts and minds of each of them. So he was well aware of the experience of
life through every sort of person, not just the son of a carpenter, which is why he understood all men.

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Dave
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