Retro Planet

 Karkatwa of a retro planet works in an adverse manner
 Retro planet in birth chart – indicate the deficiency of that chakra in the body and of
that karakatwa at birth time
 Retro planet as a karmic planet – indicates more about bad karma committed by the
native in his previous life connected to that karakatwa. What happened exactly in
previous life cannot be narrated –literally – but a retro planet indicates the area of
error(s) basing on its karakatwa
 A debilitated planet if in retro motion – gives good results
 An exalted planet if in retro motion – give difficulties in the dasa period of that
 retro planet.
 Retro planet exalted in Rasi and debilitated in Navamsa varga – indication is GOOD
result in the dasa periods of that planet
Do exalted retrograde planets behave as how debilitated

planets behave as retrograde planets?
Meganathan Gnanamani (மமமமமமமம மமமமமம), Vedic Astrologer, Blogger (1984-present)
Updated Jul 23
Let us find out the functional properties of Retrograde, Debilitated and Exalted Planets:
Retrograde Planets:
A Planet will behave in an unpredictable manner (or) in an abonormal fashion when it is in retrograde
movement. That is, the Planet may amplify (or) diminish (or) confuse (or) give opposite results on its
possible impacts while delivering its natural and functional capabilities. Meganathan Gnanamani
(மமமமமமமம மமமமமம)'s answer to What is the effect of a planet if it goes retrograde?
For Example: For Viruchika Lagna (Scorpio Ascendant), the Guru is considered to be the excellent
benefice Planet. The Guru would provide wonderful results, if the Guru is placed in the 2nd house & 5th
house (its own house) (or) 4th, 7th, 9th, 10th and 11th house (either benefice house (or) neutral house).
But if the Guru is retrograde in these houses, it may not deliver the expected benefice results despite
being an benefice planet getting placed in the benefice house.
Suppose, if the same Guru is placed in the malefic houses like 3rd, 6th, 8th and 12th house, then it will be
assumed that a benefice planet sitting in the malefic house may not be able to deliver the good results
(or) its good qualities gets damaged. However, if the Guru is retrograde and placed in those malefic
houses, the Guru is likley to provide an erratic results (excellent results) despite getting placed in those
malefic houses.
Conclusions: The Retrograde Planets are likley to deliver results that are opposite (or) unknown (or)
unpredictable results deviating from the regular concept of Vedic Astrology.
Debilitated Planets: The Debilitation means the “process of weakening” (or) “slow but decaying” of
its fundamental capabilities. Suppose, if a benefice planet is in debilitation in the natal chart but getting
placed in a benefice house, the functional capabilities of that particular planet would become ineffective
over the period of time in the life.
For Example: If the Shani is debilitated in the Mesha Rasi (Aries Sign) for the Mesha Lagna (Aries
Ascendant) natives, then the native would experience the slow but steady decline on his profession &
income despite getting placed in the benefice Lagna. The process will not happen all on a sudden but
happens slowly but steadily during the lifetime. The native would not do well in his profession &
investments despite remaining comfortable while comparing the performances at the earliest period of
lifetime.
If the Shani is debilitated in the malefic Mesha Rasi (Aries Sign) for the Rishaba Lagna (Taurus Ascendant)
natives, then the benefice Shani in the debilitated condition is getting placed in the malefic 12th house.
Here the native would experience slow & steady decline on his profession and would be hit their “nadir”
(low end) under difficult conditions in the later part of their lifetime.
Author’s Opinion: Lot of Readers may agrue with “Neecha Banga Raja Yog” by fortelling that this would
achive Raja Yog removing the debilitation qualities on those particular planet. But according to my
experience, the decaying of its functional capabilities will also happen towards their old age, even if the
native enjoyed lot of success (or) Raja Yoga during their lifetime.
Exalted Planets: The “process of strengthening” of the functional capabilities of a particular Planet will
happen, when a Planet remains in an exalted manner in the natal chart. If a benefice Planet is getting
exalted then it will accelerate the growth of the benefice results. If the malefic Planet is getting exalted,
then it will ramp-up its bad qualities of the malefic Planet to an unknown height.
For Example: The Budhan gets exalted at Kanya Rasi (Virgo Sign). For the Simha Lagna (Leo Ascendant)
natives, the neutral Budhan is placed in the neutral 2nd house Kanya Rasi (its own Rasi), then the native
would be gifted with wonderful financial status during the entire lifetime. The native would experience
more healthy financial system over the period of time; (or) at their old age.
The Shani gets exalted at Thula Rasi (Libra Sign). For the Simha Lagna (Leo Ascendant) natives, the
exaltation of Shani in the malefic 3rd house Thula Rasi is equal to a malefic Planet getting exalted at a
malefic house. Thus the native would face increased burden of debts (or) litigations (or) heath troubles
over the period of time in their life (or) would be saddled with lot of difficulties in their old age.
Answers to the Question:
Behaviour of Exalted Retrograde Planets: The Logic of exaltation could be altered (or) the native would
experience completely different results from the expected results out of the exalted Planets, when it is
retrograde motion.
Example: If the Shani become retrograde in the Thula Rasi for Simha Lagna, it may not hike the debt
levels (or) allow the natives to control their diseases. Here the malefic Shani may not deliver its exalted
qualities; the Shani would be forced to limit its malefic qualities.
If the Budhan is retrograde in the Kanya Rasi for Simha Lagna, then it may not keep the native in good
financial status (or) improve their financial status, despite getting exalted in the Kanya Rasi (Virgo Sign)
due to its retrograde motion.
Behaviour of Debilitated Retrograde Planets: The Logic of Debilitation could be altered (or) the native
would experience completely different results from the expected results out of the Debilitated Planets,
when it is retrograde motion.
Example: If the Mars is getting debilitated in the malefic 7th house Kark (Kataka) rasi, then the native has
to experience slow & steady decline in his asset values & income level in his life. If the Mars become
retrograde, then the native may experience totally different results; and could experience healthy position
both on assets & income.
The Shani gets debilitated in the malefic 8th house Mesha Rasi for the Kanya Lagna natives. Then the
native’s debts (or) litigations has to fade away due to its debilitation status of Shani. If the Shani becomes
retrograde in the Mesha Rasi for the Kanya Lagna natives, then there are high chances, the debts &
litigations (or) health issues are likley to boomerang on them and could haunt them in their old age.
The functioning of Exalted Retrograde Planets will be totally different from the Debilitated Retrograde
Planets. The results are likley to differ in indefinite manner as per the indidual astrological parameters in
the natal Horoscope.
What would be the result if the planet is sitting in his own house but
retrograde? And what is the difference between exalted retrograde, own house
retrograde, friend house retrograde, enemy house retrograde and debilitated
retrograde?
Meganathan Gnanamani (மமமமமமமம மமமமமம), Prediction on Education, Career, Personal Life and
Health
Updated Jul 20
Functioning of Retrograde Planets:
The Retrograde Planets in the natal chart (D-1) could produce variable results (or) unpredictable results on
its functionalities and qualities of the House, whom it represents.
Let us understand it with an example: Suppose a man is drunk and he is walking on the road. He could
turn right (or) left (or) move ahead (or) turn back (or) just sit there. By walking behind him, we must be
ready for any eventuality while we walk (or) drive. Thus, when we see any planets is retrograde, we may
not be able to get the precise results of the Planet’s functioning, if we go by standard rules of the
Astrology while doing the predictions.
1. Retrograde Planets in its own House may not deliver the malefic results, even if it occupies a
malefic house for the Ascendant (or) may not deliver benefice results, even it is placed in its
own House, which are considered as benefice. Example: The Venus is placed in its own House
Taurus sign (Rishaba Rasi) for the Libra Ascendant. Here the Taurus sign is the 8th house (which
is considered as malefic house) for the Libra Ascendant. Thus the Venus sits in a malefic house
(which is owned by the Venus itself), may not deliver the benefice result, since it is placed in the
malefic house (as per standard Astrology rules). If the same Venus is retrograde in the 8th
house (Taurus Sign), then there are high chances it may deliver benefice results (or at best stay
neutral).
2. Retrograde Planets in its exalted House may not deliver the malefic results, if the exaltation
happens in a malefic house (or) may not deliver the benefice results, if the exaltation happens
in a benefice house. Example: Guru gets exalted in the 4th house (Cancer Sign) for the Aries
Ascendant. Here there are possibilities that the exalted Guru may not do well, even if it is
placed in the 4th house, when it becomes retrograde.
3. Retrograde Planet in its Friendly House may not deliver the benefice results, when it is in
retrograde movement. Example: The Budhan and Shani would remain friendly to each other.
Suppose if the Budhan is placed in the Kumbha Rasi (Aquarius Sign) which is owned by the
Shani for the Scorpio Ascendant, then the placement of Retrograde Budhan in a friendly house
and benefice house may not give the expected benefice results of the Budhan to the Viruchika
Lagna natives.
4. Retrograde Planet in its Enemy House may not deliver the malefic results, when it is in
retrograde motion. Example: The Mars and Shani would consider as each other as their
adversary. If the Retrograde Mars is placed in the malefic & hostile house in Capricorn (Makara
Rasi, which is owned by Shani) for the Gemini Ascendants, then the Mars may not deliver any
malefic results, that it is supposed to deliver.
5. Retrograde Planet in its Debilitated House may deliver the desired results (it could be either
malefic (or) benefice, depending upon its House Lordship) while it is in retrograde motion
despite getting placed in a debilitated house. Example: The Shani gets debilitated in the Aries
Sign (Mesha Rasi). If the Retrograde Shani is placed in the Aries Sign for Capricorn Ascendant,
it would deliver the desired results for the Capricorn Ascendant without any hindrance despite
getting debilitated.
1. We must be very careful while finding any retrograde planets in the natal chart, while going
through analysis. There are high chances, it might deliver highly unpredictable results contrary
to the popular beliefs.
2. There are no uniform rules (or) formulas to be applied to judge the functional qualities and
results while a Planet is an retrograde movement. It differs invariably for the
Lagna/Planet/Position combination for any particular retrograde planet.
3. Aspection of the Retrograde Planet & aspection on the Retrograde Planets could have greater
impact than happening under the normal circumstances.
4. Conjunction with the Retrograde Planets could create greater impact than happening under
the normal circumstances.
Understanding Retrograde Planets – Part I

October 31, 2017 - - Leave a Comment
Retrogression Defined
According to Bhavarta Ratnakara, the planet which is in the 2nd from the Sun becomes the fast moving
planet. The planet which is in the 3rd from the Sun gets normal motion. The planet which is in the 4th
from the Sun becomes a slow moving one. Planets in the 5th and the 6th from the Sun are retrograde.
Planets in the 7th and the 8th from the Sun become retrograde. The motion becomes curved if the
position of the planet is the 9th and 10th from the Sun. The motion is with abnormal speed when the
planet is in the 11th and the 12th from the Sun.
Apparent Phenomenon
The Sun and Moon are always in direct motion while Rahu and Ketu are always in backward motion. The
other planets Mars, Jupiter, Mercury, Venus and Saturn too have retrograde motion. In view of the
difference in the speeds of planets during retrogression a planet appears to be moving backwards entirely
due to our Earth-based view. The apparent stopping is known as being ‘stationary’ and the apparent
backward motion is ‘retrograde’ motion. It is only apparent backward motion since no planet actually
moves backwards except the Nodes.
Retrogression of Different Planets

Mercury
Mercury goes into retrogression 4 times a year, more frequent than other planets. This retrogression
disrupts the thinking mind, communications, the ability to come to an agreement with others, decision-
making etc. It is best not to make important decisions at the time of Mercury’s retrogression.
Venus and Mars
Venus retrogrades every 18 months which reveals weak links in a relationship. When Venus retrogrades
the usual sense of what is beautiful, pleasant and attractive is suspended. Venus’ retrograde motion lasts
for 42 days. During retrogression of Mars (every 2 years for about 2 months) what one desires to do is
prevented and one’s ability to express one’s will gets thwarted. Actions are delayed and pressures build
up. Sometimes great accomplishments may also be there. One has to find out what keeps them from
effective action. There may be overactive temper, impatience in any activity and lack of awareness.
During this period, perseverance is required and it is not easy to work with others.
Saturn
Saturn’s retrogression teaches discipline. It is the least pleasant experience. The native becomes less
flexible and less adaptable and suffers when the external situation requires change. It teaches us
responsibility and about claiming our authority. Saturn in the 10th in retrogression makes the native suffer
reversals at some stage in life. Retrograde Saturn becomes highly malefic. Saturn’s retrogression lasts
140 days and is stationary for 5 days before and after retrogression.
Uttarakalamitra, Chapter 2, says that when a planet is conjoined with Mars it results in some women
frequently going against their own desires, the subconsciousness seeking an excuse for the failure. If a
planet is conjoined with a retrograde planet, its strength increases. The influence of a benefic is
weakened when retrograde. When malefics turn retrograde their malefic nature increases. Some
believe that there is no difference and that retrograde planets neither lose strength nor are they harmful.
Jupiter
This is not good for one’s finance, progeny, fate, reputation and married life. The working environment will
not be congenial but at the same time there is no bar in getting good results. Retrograde planets do not
deny whatever results they have to give in their Bhukti or Antara periods. It contributes to frustrating
delays whenever a planet is retrograde in transit. It does not deny favorable results when in direct motion.
Courtesy: Modern Astrology(N.Kunjammal)
Understanding Retrograde Planets –

Part II
November 3, 2017 - - Leave a Comment
Mercury’s retrogression strengthens the intellect. In Chart 1, Mercury is retrograde. But here it disrupted
the native’s academic pursuits. Mercury is the 5th lord influencing the native’s thinking ability and
decision-making. After the native’s graduation, studies were disrupted for a 2-year period after which he
resumed his education when Mercury became direct. His work into research was also affected due to
retrograde Mercury even though the native was selected for Ph.D research in a premier institution. The
native was running Rahu Dasa and Mercury Bhukti at that time.
Chart 1:Male:Born February 24, 1941, at 6h.00m at 10N55, 78 E 49
Whenever Mercury was retrograde worries, obstacles and delays were experienced by the native. During
December 1958, the native’s mother passed away after a brief illness and he himself suffered from
typhoid fever when Mercury was retrograde in Scorpio. In June 1961, studies were discontinued when
Mercury was retrograde in Gemini, the 5th house from the Ascendant. In October 1981, when Mercury
was in retrogression in Virgo, the 8th house from the Ascendant, the native suffered a serious injury in the
right eye resulting in impaired vision. In April 1988, the native’s daughter fell sick when Saturn was
retrograde in Sagittarius aspecting the 5th house from the Ascendant. In July 1992, the native’s wife had
to undergo surgery for cystic ovary when Mercury was retrograde in Cancer, the 6th house from the
Ascendant and the 7th house from the Moon. In October 1994, Mercury’s retrogression in Virgo brought
the native financial loss. In May 2016, Mercury went retrograde in Aries, the 3rd house, when the native’s
daughter got bed-ridden. Mercury’s retrogression is good for abstract knowledge and writing but it is not
good for interaction with others.
Will Saturn transit bring changes to your life?
Chart 2: Female: Born January 20, 1972 at 12 h.30 m at 10 N 23, 78 E 49
Saturn is retrograde in Chart 2. In April 1988, during Saturn’s retrogression, the native was hospitalized
for 10 days without proper diagnosis. The sickness and treatment continued for about two years
culminating in the native developing epilepsy. In January and February 1991, she was hospitalized twice
for epilepsy. She suffered from sickness and also lost her grand-father. Jupiter was in retrogression in
Cancer during this period. In 2002, when Mercury turned retrograde, she developed fits and was
hospitalized again. In April 2008, Saturn was in Leo and the native was hospitalized for asthama and
fever. Whenever, Jupiter, Mercury, Saturn and Mars went retrograde, the native fell ill and was
hospitalized for sores, debridgement surgery and other medical conditions and the treatment is still being
continued at home to this day incurring heavy expenditure.
Will Saturn transit bring changes to your life?

Saturn is retrograde in the natal horoscope and this led to discontinuation of education. The native
suffered from ill-health and was hospitalized in the Dasas of Saturn and Mercury.
Chart 3: Male: Born May 24, 1940 at 10h.00m. at 11 N 56, 79 E 29
Though no planet is retrograde in Chart 3, they can affect the native’s health when they assume
retrograde motion in transit. The native was in good health but when Jupiter’s retrogression started in
February 2017, he developed serious symptoms of ill-health and was admitted to hospital. In March 2017,
Jupiter and Venus turned retrograde. In April at the time of his death, Jupiter, Saturn and Venus were all
retrograde. In spite of the best efforts he did not recover and he passed away recently. Venus is the 6th
lord from the Moon-sign and turned retrograde in transit in the 4th house.
Death took place during Saturn Dasa, Saturn Bhukti and Saturn Antara. Saturn is the 7th and 8th lord
from the Ascendant and the 2nd and the 3rd lord from the Moon-sign. Saturn is a powerful Maraka from
both the Ascendant and the Moon-sign.
Natal Venus is the 6th lord from the Moon and the 11th lord from the Ascendant. Hence Venus becomes
Rogastanidipati and Badhakadhipati. The Moon-sign was occupied by retrograde Saturn in transit and the
3rd house from the Ascendant was occupied by retrograde Jupiter in transit.
Conclusion
Re in retrograde means to go back. Retrogression turns one’s attention to the past. It is a ‘grace period’
for one to complete the task on hand. The overall effects of the planet in retrogression may be renewing
the work already on hand or taking up a fresh, a job left half way, change in relationships, indecision,
confused mind, sharpening of the mind and intelligence unknown to others, resolution of old problems.
me* commitments, bringing discipline in routines miseries and failures, lack of energy and ill-health. The
effects of retrograde planets must be faced courageously and steps are to be taken for precautions
against the ill-effects before the retrogression slab and the anticipated events occur.
Courtesy: Modern Astrology(N.Kunjammal)
to be continued.…..
Retrograde of Planets and Their Real

Status
The truth is that it is very hard to say what are the real result of a retrograde planet in your chart. It can
only be said almost accurately in a one to one consultation. Looking at a retrograde planet or a debilitated
planet, it is not righteous to say that they are bad. I have seen scientists and rich people with retrograde
and debilitated combinations.
What is retrogression or Vakri? It is not a rocket science, instead it is a simple concept. All the planets are
moving in a particular rate of speed. All the planets other than the Sun and Moon will pause, then reduce
the rate of speed, then pause, then moving in the normal rate of speed. This movement with low rate of
speed is called retrogression or Vakri.
When Mercury and Venus are in retrograde they will be between the Earth and the Sun. Or, when
Mercury and Venus comes between the Earth and the Sun, then they will move in a retrograde mode.
Sun will be in opposite sign when Mars, Jupiter and Saturn starts their retrogression. In a year, Mercury
will be three time in retrogression, somewhat between 19 to 24 days. Venus moves into retrograde every
18 months. Mars will retrograde every 2 years 2 months Jupiter will retrograde every year for around 120
days. Saturn will retrograde every year for around 140 day. When you see any planet in 5th, 6th, 7th and
8th from the Sun in your chart. Those planets will be in a retrograde mode.
Rahu and Ketu are in a retrograde mode most days, but there are certain days they turn direct, but it’s
very hard to find a chart with Rahu and Ketu direct.
In Brihat Parashara Hora Sastra, Saravali and other texts they all give different results about retrograde
planets. According to Brihat Parashara Hora Sastra, Sage Parashara says, you have to analyse the
house lord of the retrograde planet.
We can never bring up a theory that these retrograde planets are good or bad, because benefices also
can give you bad results at some point of time. It is very important to analyze what these planets were
doing in the past, in accordance with your dasa sequence. So many articles out there and so many
channels out there misguiding people, and they generally give an impression that direct planets are great
and retrograde planets are bad, likewise exalted planets are great and debilitated planets are bad.
These retrograde planets may indicate that their attributes can be in a compromised mode or in a
situation which needs expert supervision. Our astrology chart shows lifelong programming. So, you may
have to spend a good amount of energy in tackling the areas signified by these retrograde planets.
There is a theory that the faster planets like Mercury, Venus and Mars in retrogression will influence the
house which is previous to them. For example, if any of these planets is in 12th house in retrogression,
then they will influence the 11th house. The slower planets Jupiter and Saturn will only influence the
house which they are placed in. This is also not to be taken blindly, but we can look at this matter for
research purposes.
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Posted September 20, 2009

Hi
What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it give utcha
phalam ? For example Guru.
Likely utcha graha vakram ?
Thank you
Narasimha
--- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan <msbohra62 wrote:
Sudan <msbohra62
Re: Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear Gopi Jee
Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM
Dear Gopi ji,
//anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and lead
one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona houses...//
The same i have observed and asked you that personal question !
8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep understanding any
subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and 7th lord are in Yukti in
8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the question.
Where spiritual development can be see by " Vimshamsha " division chart where you
have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury sign ,the Lagana lord
Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with deep interest.
Thanks,
M.S.Bohra
ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@.
...> wrote:
>
> Dear Bohra ji,
> i dont know why you think like this any way i was not at all offended
> and you are not capable of ofending!!
> //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is aspecting it,in
> Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//
> anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and
> lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona
> houses...
> Love and regards,
> gopi.
>>
> > I respect for your ethics,i also follow the same,no professional
> interest in Astrology.Not running after money where money is essential
> for survival.
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> > > Dear Bohra ji,
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> > > since you have asked for it as a well wisher/friend. ....
> > > Love and regards,

> > > gopi.
> > > anientt_indian_ astrology, " msbohra62 "
> > > <msbora62@> wrrote:
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> > > to satisfy my observation.
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> > > > Thanks,
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> > > > M.S.Bohra
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> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna "
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> > > > > blind char> warm
> > > > warm regards,
> > > > > gopi..
>>>>>>
> > > > > > These are some my observation, pleaseards,
> > rm the same,wh
> > > mxtend
> > > my

> > > > > reading is right.
>>>>>>
> > > > > > Thanks,
>>>>>>
> > > > > > M.S.Bohra
> > > rea>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
> > > > > > e:
>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > Dear Tripathy th
> > > > > > s>
> > > >> > > n i
> > > > > > ursuro
> > > > > > ururr u us way ooishna " <h i i l verery m chrery much.
> > > adress
> > > > > > > e i,
>>>h
> > > > > th
> > > > >andedony andedowhw etMahwhw
> > > adres.
> > >.Mc ll l i i,h.eheiu to to
> > > > > > u ony anhe ehe s
> > Mahwhw a
> > > > >r.Mc.Mc e th s ro o y iopoo yi iopore eea e alhe c>
> > aeast c>

> > > my2e2my> e
>>>>e>e
> > > h o y ioyoo yi iop
> > re eea eoeaet lavl hadavhvtady2e2me> e
> > >dtadb ebines>
> > b si hys
>>>>
> > > >e
> > > > l o soy
> > > > > > yr h
> > > vt> ybehds andb ebnnem ysno no ol 5 lnd 5 l le eb.
>>>>>b
>>>>>
>>>>>
> > > > > > y b.
> > > > > > durdrddsfrdrds,
> > >> >> > --
> > --- a
>>>>>
> > -- a
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Dear Friends,Let try to understand retrograde planets.On the out set I may clarify that mean nodes are never retrograde,as
there normal motion is in reverse direction compared to other planets ,it is only said that their motion is retrograde.., but
they (nodes) never behave as retrograde planet.The main features of retrograde planets:1. They are very near to earth and
thus exerts very strong influence on the earth. When Mercury and Venus are retrograde , they should not be considered as
combust but as 'ASTA' THAT IS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO NEARNESS OF sun.2, As their motion is in reverse direction
when viewed from earth on account of relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a sea change , as such
planets assert their influence in disproportionate manner. 3. With the result exalted planets becomes to hipper sensitive in
behavior and most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This condition is termed for comparison purposes
only.This would not mean that exalted and retrograde Lords of Trik houses will yield to powerful results.4. The retrograde
planets in own houses , if natural benefic will delay the results, and malefics will involve the person in unproductive
activities.5. Retrograde planets in debility will yield to better results subject to the condition given in point 4 above.G. K.
Goel
From: narsimha6Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700 Re: What is a neecha graha vakra phalam (ex: Guru)
Hi
What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it give utcha phalam ? For example Guru.
Likely utcha graha vakram ?
Thank you
Narasimha
--- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:
Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>
Re: Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear Gopi Jee
Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM
Dear Gopi ji,
//anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the
moksha trikona houses...//
The same i have observed and asked you that personal question !
8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep understanding any subject,a root cause of any transformation. So
5th and 7th lord are in Yukti in 8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the question.
Where spiritual development can be see by "Vimshamsha" division chart where you have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th
house in Mercury sign ,the Lagana lord Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with deep interest.
Thanks,
M.S.Bohra
ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927@. ..> wrote:
>
> Dear Bohra ji,

> i dont know why you think like this any way i was not at all offended
> and you are not capable of ofending!!
> //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is aspecting it,in
> Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//
> anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and
> lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona
> houses...
> Love and regards,
> gopi.
>>
> > I respect for your ethics,i also follow the same,no professional
> interest in Astrology.Not running after money where money is essential
> for survival.
>>
> > Thanks to reply ,once again excuse me for personal question.
>>
> > M.S.Bohra
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> > e:
>>>
> > > Dear Bohra ji,
>>
> > > i evver had inclination/ desire e<gopor marriage or love.I was under
> the
> > > impi evvor it was a natioomise(even now)I will never/ever compromise
> in
> > > life on my own.I just walked out of jobs uncompromisingly. May be the
> > > reason for financial situation.Even now i dont want
> toproffessionalise
> > > my knowledge and make money out of astrology by compromising. Thissio
> > > pur
> > > my knowledge anobody can get offended in anyway.I am telling you
> > > since you have asked for it as a well wisher/friend. ....
> > > Love and regards,
> > > gopi.
> > > anientt_indian_ astrology, "msbohra62"
> > > <msbora62@> wrrote:
>>>>
> > > > DindiGopi ji,
>>>>
> > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation words.
> > > wrrote:
>>
> > an understand ab ji,

> > >ur liking of "Monyyoui ance) but couwordst
>>>g
> > > > e reason for money matter.
>>>>
> > > > Not to get Marriage is sole your decision or due to any love
> affair
> > > ?Please excuse me if I am asking you very personal question,it is
> just
> > > to satisfy my observation.
>>>>
> > > > Thanks,
>>>>
> > > > M.S.Bohra
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"
> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:
>>>>
> > > > > Dear B
> > Bohrji,
>>,
> > > > > this is something. You hithe b llll's eye.I would li Dear B
> > Bohrjere
> > >> >

> > > > > how did you get the below mell's ed.
> > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu in 5
> > > > h low did in Vargotam Uchchahaashihi
> > > > > esese all makeaman who bebieve i onlyly final authority and
> aaashi
>>i
> > > > > nts t ahi mthereal targbebieve wa onlyly final onventioy and
> > > ma
>>
>>s
>>>>>
> > > >s to hir waereal their own experiencesare
> > > > > this is it.
>>>
> > > >makes
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
> > > > > > //5th hwn experiences. /dren also so their child are > so
>>
>>>>>>
> > conventional and well educated in a specialty of filed where chart
> > > > > ownentYou) have good knowledge of so many field but not the
> master
> > > of
> > > > > any field.Technically you are good,you can learn well by only
> > > > > observation only.//
>>>>>
> > > > > since i am not married till date no question of children.the
> other
> > > part
> > > > > is corect as well!!
>>>>>>
> > > > > > Your Rahu position is verarak ikarak in this period you have
> > > ac> > ed
> > > > > so many td wgll inwill in rest periods perihu.Interestingl y in
> > > Chalit
> > > > >ny tr Rahu in 4th in resp perioord of 4th, in 9th s Yog-ks
> Yog-karak.
> > o co> no ..meins4th
> > nd Jup>
> > > > >>
> > > > s > /n 9ti oyourare iu are in
> > o co> or ary or Ac..
> > >t rel>
> > ed jo>>
>>>>s>/
> > have oo manye ppoarenitythe ry ormoney.Your Mart relchalit chart is
> > > > > Neech in 11thh itnity to eakhat you Your Mt loin in ney in
> Lands
> > > an prop
> > > pr.Mirties.Might be you have invested all ready in proper
> > > an nd
> > > you
> > > > > wis.Migt by wyou multiplication. //
>>>>>
> > > > >operts inandcounts but everything else is not....
> > > > > Majority is corect .congrats. Please keep it up.....you are
> reading
>>>a
> > > > > blind char> warm
> > > > warm regards,
> > > > > gopi..
>>>>>>
> > > > > > These are some my observation, pleaseards,
> > rm the same,wh
> > > mxtend
> > > my
> > > > > reading is right.
>>>>>>
> > > > > > Thanks,
>>>>>>
> > > > > > M.S.Bohra
> > > rea>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
> > > > > > e:
>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > Dear Tripathy th
> > > > > > s>
> > > >> > > n i
> > > > > > ursuro
> > > > > > ururr u us way ooishna" <h i i l verery m chrery much.
> > > adress
> > > > > > > e i,
>>>h
> > > > > th
> > > > >andedony andedowhw etMahwhw
> > > adres.
> > >.Mc ll l i i,h.eheiu to to
> > > > > > u ony anhe ehe s
> > Mahwhw a
> > > > >r.Mc.Mc e th s ro o y iopoo yi iopore eea e alhe c>
> > aeast c>
> > > my2e2my> e
>>>>e>e
> > > h o y ioyoo yi iop
> > re eea eoeaet lavl hadavhvtady2e2me> e
> > >dtadb ebines>
> > b si hys
>>>>
> > > >e
> > > > l o soy
> > > > > > yr h

> > > vt> ybehds andb ebnnem ysno no ol 5 lnd 5 l le eb.
>>>>>b
>>>>>
>>>>>
> > > > > > y b.
> > > > > > durdrddsfrdrds,
> > >> >> > --
> > --- a
>>>>>
> > -- a
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha, Mantreswara
should have taken care in this point.
Utkal.
, gopal krishna goel
<g.k.goel wrote:
>
>
> Dear Friends,
> Let try to understand retrograde planets.
> On the out set I may clarify that mean nodes are never retrograde,
> as there normal motion is in reverse direction compared to other planets ,
> it is only said that their motion is retrograde.., but they (nodes) never
behave
> as retrograde planet.
> The main features of retrograde planets:
> 1. They are very near to earth and thus exerts very
> strong influence on the earth. When Mercury and Venus are
> retrograde , they should not be considered as combust but as 'ASTA'
> THAT IS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO NEARNESS OF sun.
> 2, As their motion is in reverse direction when viewed from earth on account
of
> relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a sea change
> as such planets assert their influence in disproportionate manner.
> 3. With the result exalted planets becomes to hipper sensitive in behavior
and
> most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This condition
is
> termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that exalted and
retrograde
> Lords of Trik houses will yield to powerful results.
> 4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic will delay the
results,
> and malefics will involve the person in unproductive activities.
> 5. Retrograde planets in debility will yield to better results subject to the
condition given in point 4 above.
>
> G. K. Goel
>
>
>
>
>
>
> narsimha6
> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700
> Re: What is a neecha graha vakra phalam

(ex: Guru)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Hi
>
> What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it give utcha
phalam ? For example Guru.
>
> Likely utcha graha vakram ?
>
> Thank you
>
> Narasimha
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan <msbohra62 wrote:
>
>
>
> Sudan <msbohra62
>
> Re: Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear Gopi Jee
>
>
>
> Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM
>
Dear Gopi ji,
>
>
>
> //anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and lead
>
>
>
> The same i have observed and asked you that personal question !
>
>
>
> 8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep understanding any
subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and 7th lord are in Yukti in
8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the question.
>
>
>
> Where spiritual development can be see by " Vimshamsha " division chart where
you have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury sign ,the Lagana lord
Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with deep interest.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> M.S.Bohra
>
>
>
> ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna "
<gopi_b927@ ..> wrote:
>
>>
>
> > Dear Bohra ji,
>
> > i dont know why you think like this any way i was not at all offended
>
> > and you are not capable of of ending!!
>
> > //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is aspecting it,in
>
> > Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//
>
> > anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and
>
> > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona
>
> > houses...
>
> > Love and regards,
>
> > gopi.
>
>>>
>
> > > I respect for your ethics,i also follow the same,no professional
>
> > interest in Astrology.Not running after money where money is essential
>
> > for survival.
>
>>>
>
> > > Thanks to reply ,once again excuse me for personal question.
>
>>>
>
> > > M.S.Bohra
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
> > > e:
>
>>>>
>
> > > > Dear Bohra ji,
>
>>>
>
> > > > i evver had inclination/ desire e<gopor marriage or love.I was under
>
> > the
>
> > > > impi evvor it was a natioomise(even now)I will never/ever compromise
>
> > in
>
> > > > life on my own.I just walked out of jobs uncompromisingly. May be the
>
> > > > reason for financial situation.Even now i dont want
>
> > toproffessionalise
>
> > > > my knowledge and make money out of astrology by compromising. Thissio
>
> > > > pur
>
> > > > my knowledge anobody can get offended in anyway.I am telling you
>
> > > > since you have asked for it as a well wisher/friend. ....
>
> > > > Love and regards,
>
> > > > gopi.
>
> > > > anientt_indian_ astrology, " msbohra62 "
>
> > > > <msbora62@> wrrote:
>
>>>>>
>
> > > > > DindiGopi ji,
>
>>>>>
>
> > > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation words.
>
> > > > wrrote:
>
>>>
>
> > > an understand ab ji,
>
> > > >ur liking of " Monyyoui ance) but couwordst
>
>>>>g
>
> > > > > e reason for money matter.
>
>>>>>
>
> > > > > Not to get Marriage is sole your decision or due to any love
>
> > affair
>
> > > > ?Please excuse me if I am asking you very personal question,it is
>
> > just
>
> > > > to satisfy my observation.
>
>>>>>
>
> > > > > Thanks,
>
>>>>>
>
> > > > > M.S.Bohra
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>>
>
> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna "
>
> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:
>
>>>>>
>
> > > > > > Dear B
>
> > > Bohrji,
>
>>>,
>
> > > > > > this is something. You hithe b llll's eye.I would li Dear B
>
> > > Bohrjere

>
> > > >> >
>
> > > > > > how did you get the below mell's ed.
>
> > > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu in 5
>
> > > > > h low did in Vargotam Uchchahaashihi
>
> > > > > > esese all makeaman who bebieve i onlyly final authority and
>
> > aaashi
>
>>>i
>
> > > > > > nts t ahi mthereal targbebieve wa onlyly final onventioy and
>
> > > > ma
>
>>>
>
>>>s
>
>>>>>>
>
> > > > >s to hir waereal their own experiencesare
>
> > > > > > this is it.
>
>>>>
>
> > > > >makes
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>>>>>
>
> > > > > > > //5th hwn experiences. /dren also so their child are > so
>
>>>
>
>>>>>>>
>
> > > conventional and well educated in a specialty of filed where chart
>
> > > > > > ownentYou) have good knowledge of so many field but not the
>
> > master
>
> > > > of

>
> > > > > > any field.Technically you are good,you can learn well by only
>
> > > > > > observation only.//
>
>>>>>>
>
> > > > > > since i am not married till date no question of children.the
>
> > other
>
> > > > part
>
> > > > > > is corect as well!!
>
>>>>>>>
>
> > > > > > > Your Rahu position is verarak ikarak in this period you have
>
> > > > ac> > ed
>
> > > > > > so many td wgll inwill in rest periods perihu.Interestingl y in
>
> > > > Chalit
>
> > > > > >ny tr Rahu in 4th in resp perioord of 4th, in 9th s Yog-ks
>
> > Yog-karak.
>
> > > o co> no ..meins4th
>
> > > nd Jup>
>
> > > > > >>
>
> > > > > s > /n 9ti oyourare iu are in
>
> > > o co> or ary or Ac..
>
> > > >t rel>
>
> > > ed jo>>
>
>>>>>s>/
>
> > > have oo manye ppoarenitythe ry ormoney.Your Mart relchalit chart is
>
> > > > > > Neech in 11thh itnity to eakhat you Your Mt loin in ney in
>
> > Lands
>
> > > > an prop

>
> > > > pr.Mirties.Might be you have invested all ready in proper
>
> > > > an nd
>
> > > > you
>
> > > > > > wis.Migt by wyou multiplication. //
>
>>>>>>
>
> > > > > >operts inandcounts but everything else is not....
>
> > > > > > Majority is corect .congrats. Please keep it up.....you are
>
> > reading
>
>>>>a
>
> > > > > > blind char> warm
>
> > > > > warm regards,
>
> > > > > > gopi..
>
>>>>>>>
>
> > > > > > > These are some my observation, pleaseards,
>
> > > rm the same,wh
>
> > > > mxtend
>
> > > > my
>
> > > > > > reading is right.
>
>>>>>>>
>
> > > > > > > Thanks,
>
>>>>>>>
>
> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra
>
> > > > rea>
>
>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>
>
> > > > > > > e:

>
>>>>>>>>
>
> > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy th
>
> > > > > > > s>
>
> > > > >> > > n i
>
> > > > > > > ursuro
>
> > > > > > > ururr u us way ooishna " <h i i l verery m chrery much.
>
> > > > adress
>
> > > > > > > > e i,
>
>>>>h
>
> > > > > > th
>
> > > > > >andedony andedowhw etMahwhw
>
> > > > adres.
>
> > > >.Mc ll l i i,h.eheiu to to

>
> > > > > > > u ony anhe ehe s
>
> > > Mahwhw a
>
> > > > > >r.Mc.Mc e th s ro o y iopoo yi iopore eea e alhe c>
>
> > > aeast c>
>
> > > > my2e2my> e
>
>>>>>e>e
>
> > > > h o y ioyoo yi iop
>
> > > re eea eoeaet lavl hadavhvtady2e2me> e
>
> > > >dtadb ebines>
>
> > > b si hys
>
>>>>>
>
> > > > >e
>
> > > > > l o soy

>
> > > > > > > yr h
>
> > > > vt> ybehds andb ebnnem ysno no ol 5 lnd 5 l le eb.
>
>>>>>>b
>
>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>
>
> > > > > > > y b.
>
> > > > > > > durdrddsfrdrds,
>
> > > >> >> > --
>
> > > --- a
>
>>>>>>
>
> > > -- a
>
>>>>>>
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Dear Utkal ji,//Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.//Shri Mantreshwara is one of the great seers of astrology
and his work Phaldeepika is one of the most respected one.
Treatment of trasits is the best here amongst the texts of that period. Overall a much coveted text.I do not think it is proper
to say who should've done what for these great astrologers of the past. They are the shoulders we stand on. We neither
have the learning nor the experience to comment thus.
We may review various works and form our opinions after application and experiementation. We may say that we see
some principle working or not working.But how can we say he should have said this or that with our limited
understanding.
Regarding retrogrades, there is a difference of opinion as seen from different works. In the past we've had many
discussions on the topic which you may find in the archives.There is lack of research to pin point how a retro would
exactly behave. There's no difference in karkatwas being mentioned anywhere. Often the results are only applicable in
transits.
We need a much greater body of research and inferences to wish away what is mentioned in the classics.Just sharing my
views. You may not agree.:-)RegardsNeelam2009/10/9 utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi
State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha, Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.
Utkal.
, gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote:
>
>
> Dear Friends,
> it is only said that their motion is retrograde.., but they (nodes) never behave
> 2, As their motion is in reverse direction when viewed from earth on account of
> relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a sea change ,
> 3. With the result exalted planets becomes to hipper sensitive in behavior and
> most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This condition is
> termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that exalted and retrograde
> 4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic will delay the results,
> 5. Retrograde planets in debility will yield to better results subject to the condition given in point 4 above.
>
> G. K. Goel
>
>
>
>
>
>
> narsimha6
> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700
> Re: What is a neecha graha vakra phalam (ex: Guru)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it give utcha phalam ? For example Guru.
>
>
> Thank you
>
> Narasimha
>
>
>
>
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> Sudan <msbohra62
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>
>
> Dear Gopi ji,
>
>
>
> //anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep understanding any subject,a root cause of any transformation.
So 5th and 7th lord are in Yukti in 8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the question.
>
>
>
> Where spiritual development can be see by " Vimshamsha " division chart where you have Jupiter and Rahu together in
8th house in Mercury sign ,the Lagana lord Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with deep interest.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> M.S.Bohra
>
>
>
> ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@ ..> wrote:
>
>>
>
> > Dear Bohra ji,
>
>
> > and you are not capable of ofending!!
>
>
>
>
>
> > houses...
>
>
> > gopi.
>
>>>
>
>
>
> > for survival.
>
>>>
>
>
>>>
>
> > > M.S.Bohra
>
>>>
>
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> > > e:
>
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>

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> > the
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> > in
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > pur
>
>
>

>
> > > > gopi.
>
> > > > anientt_indian_ astrology, " msbohra62 "
>
>
>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>
>
>
> > > > wrrote:
>
>>>
>
>
> > > >ur liking of " Monyyoui ance) but couwordst
>
>>>>g
>

>
>>>>>
>
>
> > affair
>
>
> > just
>
>
>>>>>
>
> > > > > Thanks,
>
>>>>>
>
> > > > > M.S.Bohra
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>>
>
> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna "
>
>
>>>>>
>
> > > > > > Dear B
>
> > > Bohrji,
>
>>>,
>
>
> > > Bohrjere
>
> > > >> >
>
>
>

>
>
> > aaashi
>
>>>i
>
>
> > > > ma
>
>>>
>
>>>s
>
>>>>>>
>
>
> > > > > > this is it.
>
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>
> > > > >makes
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>>>>>
>
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>
>>>>>>>
>
>
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> > master
>
> > > > of
>
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>
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> > other
>
> > > > part
>
>
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>
>
> > > > ac> > ed
>
>
> > > > Chalit
>
>
> > Yog-karak.
>
>
> > > nd Jup>
>
> > > > > >>

>
>
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> > > >t rel>
>
> > > ed jo>>
>
>>>>>s>/
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> > Lands
>
> > > > an prop
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> > > > an nd
>
> > > > you
>

>
>>>>>>
>
>
>
> > reading
>
>>>>a
>
>
>
> > > > > > gopi..
>
>>>>>>>
>
>
>
> > > > mxtend
>
> > > > my

>
>
>>>>>>>
>
> > > > > > > Thanks,
>
>>>>>>>
>
> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra
>
> > > > rea>
>
>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>
>
> > > > > > > e:
>
>>>>>>>>
>
>
> > > > > > > s>
>
> > > > >> > > n i

>
> > > > > > > ursuro
>
> > > > > > > ururr u us way ooishna " <h i i l verery m chrery much.
>
> > > > adress
>
> > > > > > > > e i,
>
>>>>h
>
> > > > > > th
>
>
> > > > adres.
>
>
>
> > > Mahwhw a
>
>
> > > aeast c>

>
> > > > my2e2my> e
>
>>>>>e>e
>
>
>
>
> > > b si hys
>
>>>>>
>
> > > > >e
>
> > > > > l o soy
>
> > > > > > > yr h
>
>
>>>>>>b
>
>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>
>
> > > > > > > y b.
>
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> > > >> >> > --
>
> > > --- a
>
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>
> > > -- a
>
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Dear Utakal ji,Ketu is Mars vat and Rahu acts Sani vat.Are ketu and Mars same ?Are Rahu and Saturn same?Same is
applicable for retrograde planets.Kindly do not translate it literally but we have to understand hidden massage given by
Phaldeepika.Regards,G. K. Goel
From: utkal.panigrahiDate: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:54:25 +0000 Re: What is a neecha graha vakra phalam (ex: Guru)
State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha, Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.
Utkal.
, gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote:
>
>
> Dear Friends,
> it is only said that their motion is retrograde.., but they (nodes) never behave
> 2, As their motion is in reverse direction when viewed from earth on account of
> relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a sea change ,
> 3. With the result exalted planets becomes to hipper sensitive in behavior and
> most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This condition is
> termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that exalted and retrograde
> 4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic will delay the results,
> 5. Retrograde planets in debility will yield to better results subject to the condition given in point 4 above.
>
> G. K. Goel
>
>
>
>
>
>
> narsimha6
> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700
> Re: What is a neecha graha vakra phalam (ex: Guru)
>
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> Hi
>
> What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it give utcha phalam ? For example Guru.
>
>
> Thank you
>
> Narasimha
>
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>
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> Sudan <msbohra62
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>
>
>
> Dear Gopi ji,
>
>
>
> //anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep understanding any subject,a root cause of any transformation.
So 5th and 7th lord are in Yukti in 8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the question.
>
>
>
> Where spiritual development can be see by "Vimshamsha" division chart where you have Jupiter and Rahu together in
8th house in Mercury sign ,the Lagana lord Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with deep interest.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> M.S.Bohra
>
>
>
> ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927@ ..> wrote:
>
>>
>
> > Dear Bohra ji,
>
>
> > and you are not capable of ofending!!
>
>
>
>
>
> > houses...
>

>
> > gopi.
>
>>>
>
>
>
> > for survival.
>
>>>
>
>
>>>
>
> > > M.S.Bohra
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
> > > e:
>
>>>>
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>
>>>
>
>
> > the
>
>
> > in
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > pur
>
>
>
>
> > > > gopi.
>
> > > > anientt_indian_ astrology, "msbohra62"
>
>
>>>>>
>

>
>>>>>
>
>
> > > > wrrote:
>
>>>
>
>
> > > >ur liking of "Monyyoui ance) but couwordst
>
>>>>g
>
>
>>>>>
>
>
> > affair
>
>
> > just

>
>
>>>>>
>
> > > > > Thanks,
>
>>>>>
>
> > > > > M.S.Bohra
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>>
>
> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"
>
>
>>>>>
>
> > > > > > Dear B

>
> > > Bohrji,
>
>>>,
>
>
> > > Bohrjere
>
> > > >> >
>
>
>
>
>
> > aaashi
>
>>>i
>
>
> > > > ma

>
>>>
>
>>>s
>
>>>>>>
>
>
> > > > > > this is it.
>
>>>>
>
> > > > >makes
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>>>>>
>
>
>>>
>
>>>>>>>
>
>
>
> > master
>
> > > > of
>
>
>
>>>>>>
>
>
> > other
>
> > > > part
>
>
>>>>>>>
>
>
> > > > ac> > ed
>
>
> > > > Chalit
>
>
> > Yog-karak.
>
>
> > > nd Jup>
>
> > > > > >>
>
>
>
> > > >t rel>
>
> > > ed jo>>
>
>>>>>s>/
>
>
>
> > Lands
>
> > > > an prop
>
>
> > > > an nd
>
> > > > you
>
>
>>>>>>
>
>
>
> > reading
>
>>>>a
>
>
>
> > > > > > gopi..
>
>>>>>>>
>
>
>
> > > > mxtend
>
> > > > my
>
>
>>>>>>>
>
> > > > > > > Thanks,
>
>>>>>>>
>
> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

>
> > > > rea>
>
>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>
>
> > > > > > > e:
>
>>>>>>>>
>
>
> > > > > > > s>
>
> > > > >> > > n i
>
> > > > > > > ursuro
>
> > > > > > > ururr u us way ooishna" <h i i l verery m chrery much.
>
> > > > adress
>
> > > > > > > > e i,
>
>>>>h
>
> > > > > > th
>
>
> > > > adres.
>
>
>
> > > Mahwhw a
>
>
> > > aeast c>
>
> > > > my2e2my> e
>
>>>>>e>e
>
>
>

>
> > > b si hys
>
>>>>>
>
> > > > >e
>
> > > > > l o soy
>
> > > > > > > yr h
>
>
>>>>>>b
>
>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>
>
> > > > > > > y b.
>
>
> > > >> >> > --
>
> > > --- a

>
>>>>>>
>
> > > -- a
>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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Dear all,
This mail I too second. In fact wanted to write the same way but just
restrained myself. in the past also some derogatory references were made
about Brihat Jataka and other few texts, and now about this. I do not
understand what is going on here in this forum ? Are we the keepers of
the ancient astrology texts and propogators of the same, or are we here
to create doubts about these, in the minds of the newcomers. This is
exatly like what the missionaries are doing in india. Who is better than
the writers of Brihat jataka or the Phaldeepika to comment on these ?
Some non entities who have not yet been able to prove themselves better,
but have been born with a mouth to shoot off rubbish about the people on
whose shoulders we stand on as Neelamji rightly said and which is a true
fact ???>
Sreenadhji is much better in such matters. He does not outright negate a
person except not accept certain matters while accepting others in the
same subject, which is the right attitude.
But here some people are outright negating people of stature, which is
shameful and not in proper line or taste.
I request them to come with astrological pointers , instead of just
commenting or talking rot about others sitting on a self given high seat
in his own bedrroom, by his servant.
Bhaskar.
, neelam gupta
<neelamgupta07 wrote:
>
> Dear Utkal ji,
>
> //Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.//
>
> Shri Mantreshwara is one of the great seers of astrology and his work
> Phaldeepika is one of the most respected one.
> Treatment of trasits is the best here amongst the texts of that
period.
> Overall a much coveted text.
>
> I do not think it is proper to say who should've done what for these
great
> astrologers of the past. They are the shoulders we stand on. We
neither have
> the learning nor the experience to comment thus.
> We may review various works and form our opinions after application
and
> experiementation. We may say that we see some principle working or not
> working.
> But how can we say he should have said this or that with our limited
> understanding.
>
> Regarding retrogrades, there is a difference of opinion as seen from
> different works. In the past we've had many discussions on the topic
which
> you may find in the archives.
> There is lack of research to pin point how a retro would exactly
behave.
> There's no difference in karkatwas being mentioned anywhere. Often the
> results are only applicable in transits.
>
> We need a much greater body of research and inferences to wish away
what is
> mentioned in the classics.
>
> Just sharing my views. You may not agree.:-)
>
> Regards
> Neelam
>
>
> 2009/10/9 utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi
>
>>
>>
> > State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha,
> > Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.
>>
> > Utkal.
>>
>>
> > --- In
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> > gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@ wrote:
>>>
>>>
> > > Dear Friends,
> > > Let try to understand retrograde planets.
> > > On the out set I may clarify that mean nodes are never retrograde,
> > > as there normal motion is in reverse direction compared to other
planets
>>,
> > > it is only said that their motion is retrograde.., but they
(nodes) never
> > behave
> > > as retrograde planet.
> > > The main features of retrograde planets:
> > > 1. They are very near to earth and thus exerts very
> > > strong influence on the earth. When Mercury and Venus are
> > > retrograde , they should not be considered as combust but as
'ASTA'
> > > THAT IS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO NEARNESS OF sun.
> > > 2, As their motion is in reverse direction when viewed from earth
on
> > account of
> > > relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a
sea
> > change ,
> > > as such planets assert their influence in disproportionate manner.
> > > 3. With the result exalted planets becomes to hipper sensitive in
> > behavior and
> > > most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This
> > condition is
> > > termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that
exalted and
> > retrograde
> > > Lords of Trik houses will yield to powerful results.
> > > 4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic will
delay
> > the results,
> > > and malefics will involve the person in unproductive activities.
> > > 5. Retrograde planets in debility will yield to better results
subject to
> > the condition given in point 4 above.
>>>
> > > G. K. Goel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> > > To:
<%40yaho\
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> > > narsimha6@
> > > Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700
> > > Re: What is a neecha graha
vakra
> > phalam (ex: Guru)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> > > Hi
>>>
> > > What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it
give
> > utcha phalam ? For example Guru.
>>>
> > > Likely utcha graha vakram ?
>>>
> > > Thank you
>>>
> > > Narasimha
>>>
>>>
>>>
> > > --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan msbohra62@ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
> > > Sudan msbohra62@
>>
>>>
> > > Re: Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear
Gopi Jee
>>>
> > > To:
<%40yaho\
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>>>
> > > Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> > > Dear Gopi ji,
>>>
>>>
>>>
> > > //anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy
it and
houses...//
>>>
>>>
>>>
> > > The same i have observed and asked you that personal question !
>>>
>>>
>>>
> > > 8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep
understanding
> > any subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and 7th lord
are in
> > Yukti in 8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the question.
>>>
>>>
>>>
> > > Where spiritual development can be see by " Vimshamsha " division
chart
> > where you have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury
sign ,the
> > Lagana lord Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with deep
> > interest.
>>>
>>>
>>>
> > > Thanks,

>>>
>>>
>>>
> > > M.S.Bohra
>>>
>>>
>>>
> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,
" gopalakrishna "
> > <gopi_b927@ ..> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
> > > > i dont know why you think like this any way i was not at all
offended
>>>
> > > > and you are not capable of ofending!!
>>>
> > > > //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is
aspecting
> > it,in
>>>
> > > > Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//
>>>
> > > > anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy
it and
>>>
> > > > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona
>>>
> > > > houses...
>>>
>>>
> > > > gopi.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
> > > > > I respect for your ethics,i also follow the same,no
professional
>>>
> > > > interest in Astrology.Not running after money where money is
essential
>>>
> > > > for survival.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
> > > > > Thanks to reply ,once again excuse me for personal question.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
> > > > > M.S.Bohra
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
> > > > > e:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
> > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,

>>>
>>>>>
>>>
> > > > > > i evver had inclination/ desire e<gopor marriage or love.I
was
> > under
>>>
> > > > the
>>>
> > > > > > impi evvor it was a natioomise(even now)I will never/ever
> > compromise
>>>
> > > > in
>>>
> > > > > > life on my own.I just walked out of jobs uncompromisingly.
May be
> > the
>>>
> > > > > > reason for financial situation.Even now i dont want
>>>
> > > > toproffessionalise
>>>
> > > > > > my knowledge and make money out of astrology by
compromising.
> > Thissio
>>>
> > > > > > pur
>>>
> > > > > > my knowledge anobody can get offended in anyway.I am telling
you
>>>
> > > > > > since you have asked for it as a well wisher/friend. ....
>>>
> > > > > > Love and regards,
>>>
> > > > > > gopi.
>>>
> > > > > > anientt_indian_ astrology,
" msbohra62 "
>>>
> > > > > > <msbora62@> wrrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
> > > > > > > DindiGopi ji,
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
> > > > > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation words.
>>>
> > > > > > wrrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
> > > > > an understand ab ji,
>>>
> > > > > >ur liking of " Monyyoui ance) but couwordst
>>>
>>>>>>g
>>>
> > > > > > > e reason for money matter.
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
> > > > > > > Not to get Marriage is sole your decision or due to any
love
>>>
> > > > affair
>>>
> > > > > > ?Please excuse me if I am asking you very personal
question,it is
>>>
> > > > just
>>>
> > > > > > to satisfy my observation.
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
> > > > > > > Thanks,
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,
> > " gopalakrishna "
>>>
> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
> > > > > > > > Dear B
>>>
> > > > > Bohrji,
>>>
>>>>>,
>>>
> > > > > > > > this is something. You hithe b llll's eye.I would li
Dear B
>>>
> > > > > Bohrjere
>>>
> > > > > >> >
>>>
> > > > > > > > how did you get the below mell's ed.
>>>
> > > > > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu in 5
>>>
> > > > > > > h low did in Vargotam Uchchahaashihi
>>>
> > > > > > > > esese all makeaman who bebieve i onlyly final authority
and
>>>
> > > > aaashi
>>>
>>>>>i
>>>
> > > > > > > > nts t ahi mthereal targbebieve wa onlyly final onventioy
and
>>>
> > > > > > ma
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>s
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
> > > > > > >s to hir waereal their own experiencesare
>>>
> > > > > > > > this is it.
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
> > > > > > >makes
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
> > > > > > > > > //5th hwn experiences. /dren also so their child are >
so
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
> > > > > conventional and well educated in a specialty of filed where
chart
>>>
> > > > > > > > ownentYou) have good knowledge of so many field but not
the
>>>
> > > > master
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> > > > > > of
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> > > > > > > > any field.Technically you are good,you can learn well by
only
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> > > > > > > > since i am not married till date no question of
children.the
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> > > > > > part
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> > > > > > > > is corect as well!!
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> > > > > > > > > Your Rahu position is verarak ikarak in this period
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> > > > > have oo manye ppoarenitythe ry ormoney.Your Mart relchalit
chart is
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> > > > > > > > Neech in 11thh itnity to eakhat you Your Mt loin in ney
in
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> > > > Lands
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> > > > > > an prop
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> > > > > > pr.Mirties.Might be you have invested all ready in proper
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> > > > > > an nd
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> > > > > > you
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> > > > > > > > wis.Migt by wyou multiplication. //
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> > > > > > > >operts inandcounts but everything else is not....
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> > > > > > > > Majority is corect .congrats. Please keep it up.....you
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> > > > reading
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> > > > > > > > blind char> warm
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> > > > > > > > gopi..
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> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
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" Retrograde Planet but debilitated, gives results like Exalted. "
yes. this is right.
Anybody who challenges me, I can prove from the texts that this is true.
But i am not going to prove this for free. My time is valuable. Unless
good rewards are not given to me, I am not going to spend time in
proving to any fool about this.
Bhaskar.
, " Bhaskar "
<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> This mail I too second. In fact wanted to write the same way but just
> restrained myself. in the past also some derogatory references were
made
> about Brihat Jataka and other few texts, and now about this. I do not
> understand what is going on here in this forum ? Are we the keepers of
> the ancient astrology texts and propogators of the same, or are we
here
> to create doubts about these, in the minds of the newcomers. This is
> exatly like what the missionaries are doing in india. Who is better
than
> the writers of Brihat jataka or the Phaldeepika to comment on these ?
> Some non entities who have not yet been able to prove themselves
better,
> but have been born with a mouth to shoot off rubbish about the people
on
> whose shoulders we stand on as Neelamji rightly said and which is a

true
> fact ???>
>
> Sreenadhji is much better in such matters. He does not outright negate
> person except not accept certain matters while accepting others in the
> same subject, which is the right attitude.
>
> But here some people are outright negating people of stature, which is
> shameful and not in proper line or taste.
>
> I request them to come with astrological pointers , instead of just
> commenting or talking rot about others sitting on a self given high
seat
> in his own bedrroom, by his servant.
>
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a Exalted status. Now all cannot be fools, while we wise.
regards/Bhaskar.
, " utkal.panigrahi "
<utkal.panigrahi wrote:
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> State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha, Mantreswara
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Dear Utkal Ji, Neelam Ji,
I completely agree with Neelam Ji on this. Also let us pause for a minute and consider this:
First Jyotish was and is primarily an Oral Tradition and NOT a written Tradition. So the "classics" are only pointers to be
elaborated by the Teacher to the Student. It is not meant to be a FAQ on Jyotish, it is meant to be an "Oral Textbook".
Further, let us consider this: How does an Author/Teacher try to "amplify" or "Highlight" some thing in the text in a
language that does NOT have "bold types", "italics", "red coloring", "underlining", "subheadings", "paragraphs" etc? The
Teacher does so by "Exaggeration". That is a very powerful Oral Tradition Tool used over and over again in Jyotish.
Hence the above statement in consideration, "might" be an exaggerated comment by the Great Teacher Mantreswar to
indicate to the Student that a planet that is Neecha and Vakri will behave in a "different" way. What better way for a
student to remember this than by memorizing a dictum that reads "A planet that is Neecha and Vakri will behave like an
exalted planet". So "how" this planet "actually" behaves NEEDS to be learned from Mantreswar's Oral Tradition (it if
exists and we have the good karma to access the same). In the absence of this direct access to that exalted tradition, the
BEST we can do is to experiment and research, keeping in mind however, it can NEVER be the same as learning from an
Authentic Oral Tradition where the dictum orgininated from.
Regards,
-Manoj
neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 8:25:45 AMRe: Re: What is a neecha graha vakra phalam (ex:
Guru)
Dear Utkal ji,//Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.//Shri Mantreshwara is one of the great seers of astrology
and his work Phaldeepika is one of the most respected one.Treatment of trasits is the best here amongst the texts of that
period. Overall a much coveted text.I do not think it is proper to say who should've done what for these great astrologers
of the past. They are the shoulders we stand on. We neither have the learning nor the experience to comment thus.We may
review various works and form our opinions after application and experiementation. We may say that we see some
principle working or not working.But how can we say he should have said this or that with our limited
understanding.Regarding retrogrades, there is a difference of opinion as seen from different works. In the past we've had
many discussions on the topic which you may find in
the archives.There is lack of research to pin point how a retro would exactly behave. There's no difference in karkatwas
being mentioned anywhere. Often the results are only applicable in transits. We need a much greater body of research and
inferences to wish away what is mentioned in the classics.Just sharing my views. You may not agree.:-)RegardsNeelam
2009/10/9 utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha, Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.Utkal.
ancient_indian_ astrology, gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> Let try to understand retrograde
planets.> On the out set I may clarify that mean nodes are never retrograde,> as there normal motion is in reverse direction
compared to other planets ,> it is only said that their motion is retrograde.. , but they (nodes) never behave > as retrograde
planet.> The main features of retrograde planets:> 1. They are very near to earth and thus exerts very> strong influence on
the earth. When Mercury and Venus are> retrograde , they should not be considered as combust but as 'ASTA'> THAT IS
NOT VISIBLE DUE TO NEARNESS OF sun.> 2, As their
motion is in reverse direction when viewed from earth on account of> relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet
under go a sea change ,> as such planets assert their influence in disproportionate manner.> 3. With the result exalted
planets becomes to hipper sensitive in behavior and > most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This
condition is> termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that exalted and retrograde > Lords of Trik
houses will yield to powerful results.> 4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic will delay the results, >
and malefics will involve the person in unproductive activities.> 5. Retrograde planets in debility will yield to better
results subject to the condition given in point 4 above.> > G. K. Goel> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology>
narsimha6@.. .
> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: What is a neecha graha vakra phalam (ex: Guru)> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it give
utcha phalam ? For example Guru. > > Likely utcha graha vakram ?> > Thank you > > Narasimha> > > > --- On Sun,
9/20/09, Sudan <msbohra62@.. .> wrote:> > > > Sudan <msbohra62@.. .>
> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear Gopi Jee> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Sunday,
September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > //anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H
matters destroy it and lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona houses...//> > > > The same i have
observed and asked you that personal question !> > > > 8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep
understanding any subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and 7th lord are in Yukti in 8th house of Navmansa
insist me to asked the question.> > > > Where spiritual development can be see by "Vimshamsha" division chart where
you have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury sign ,the Lagana lord Rashi.So you are in search of
mysterious word with deep interest.> > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"
<gopi_b927@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bohra ji,> > > i dont know why you think like this any way i was not at all
offended> > > and you are not capable of ofending!!> > > //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is aspecting
it,in> > > Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//> > > anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H
matters destroy it and> > > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona> > > houses...> > > Love and
regards,> > > gopi.> > > >> > > > I respect for your ethics,i also follow the same,no professional> > > interest in
Astrology.Not running after money where money is essential> > > for survival.> > > >> > > > Thanks to reply ,once again
excuse me for personal question.> > > >> > > > M.S.Bohra> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >
> >> > > > e:> > > > >> > > >
> Dear Bohra ji,> > > >> > > > > i evver had inclination/ desire e<gopor marriage or love.I was under> > > the> > > > >
impi evvor it was a natioomise(even now)I will never/ever compromise> > > in> > > > > life on my own.I just walked out
of jobs uncompromisingly. May be the> > > > > reason for financial situation.Even now i dont want> > >
toproffessionalise> > > > > my knowledge and make money out of astrology by compromising. Thissio> > > > > pur> > >
> > my knowledge anobody can get offended in anyway.I am telling you> > > > > since you have asked for it as a well
wisher/friend. ....> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > gopi.> > >
> > anientt_indian_ astrology, "msbohra62"> > > > > <msbora62@> wrrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > DindiGopi ji,> > > >
> >> > > > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation words.> > > > > wrrote:> > > >> > > > an understand ab ji,> > > > >ur
liking of "Monyyoui ance) but couwordst> > > > > g> > > > > > e reason for money matter.> > > > > >> > > > > > Not to
get Marriage is sole your decision or due to any love> > > affair> > > > > ?Please excuse me if I am asking you very
personal question,it is> > > just> > > > > to satisfy my
observation.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > >> > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear B>
> > > Bohrji,> > > > ,> > > > > > > this is something. You hithe b llll's eye.I would li Dear B> > > > Bohrjere> > > > >>
>> > > > > > > how did you get the below mell's ed.> > > > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu in 5>
> > > > > h low did in Vargotam Uchchahaashihi> > > > > > > esese all makeaman who bebieve i onlyly final authority
and> > > aaashi> > > > i> > > > > > > nts t ahi mthereal targbebieve wa onlyly final onventioy and> > > > > ma> > > >>
> > > s> > > > > > >> > > > > >s to hir waereal their own experiencesare> > > > > > > this is it.> > > > >> > > > >
>makes> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > //5th hwn experiences. /dren also so their child are > so> > > >>
>>>>>>
>> > > > conventional and well educated in a specialty of filed where chart> > > > > > > ownentYou) have good
knowledge of so many field but not the> > > master> > > > > of> > > > > > > any field.Technically you are good,you can
learn well by only> > > > > > > observation only.//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > since i am not married till date no question
of children.the> > > other> > > > > part> > > > > > > is corect as well!!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Your Rahu
position is verarak ikarak in this period you have> > > > > ac> > ed> > > > > > > so many td wgll
inwill in rest periods perihu.Interestingl y in> > > > > Chalit> > > > > > >ny tr Rahu in 4th in resp perioord of 4th, in 9th s
Yog-ks> > > Yog-karak.> > > > o co> no ..meins4th> > > > nd Jup>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > s > /n 9ti oyourare iu are
in> > > > o co> or ary or Ac..> > > > >t rel>> > > > ed jo>>> > > > > > s > /> > > > have oo manye ppoarenitythe ry
ormoney.Your Mart relchalit chart is> > > > > > > Neech in 11thh itnity to eakhat you Your Mt loin in ney in> > >
Lands> > > > > an prop> > > > > pr.Mirties.Might be you have invested all ready in proper>
> > > > an nd> > > > > you> > > > > > > wis.Migt by wyou multiplication. //> > > > > > >> > > > > > >operts
inandcounts but everything else is not....> > > > > > > Majority is corect .congrats. Please keep it up.....you are> > >
reading> > > > > a> > > > > > > blind char> warm> > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > gopi..> > > > > > > >> > > > >
> > > These are some my observation, pleaseards,> > > > rm the same,wh> > > > > mxtend> > > > > my> > > > > > >
reading is right.> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > rea>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > e:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy th> > > > > > > > s>> > > > > >> > > n i> > > > > > > >
ursuro> > > > > > > > ururr u us way ooishna" <h i i l verery m chrery much.> > > > > adress> > > > > > > > > e i,> > > >
> h> > > > > > > th> > > > > > >andedony
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a> > > > > > >r.Mc.Mc e th s ro o y iopoo yi iopore eea e alhe c>> > > > aeast c>> > > > > my2e2my> e> > > > > > e >
e> > > > > h o y ioyoo yi iop> > > > re eea eoeaet lavl hadavhvtady2e2me> e> > > > >dtadb ebines>> > > > b si hys> > >
> > >> > > > > >e> > > > > > l o soy> > > > > > > > yr h> > > > > vt> ybehds andb ebnnem ysno no ol 5 lnd 5 l le
eb.> > > > > > > b> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > y b.> > > > > > > > durdrddsfrdrds,> > > > >> >> > --> > >
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Dear Neelam ji and Utkal ji,//I do not think it is proper to say who should've done what for
these great astrologers of the past. They are the shoulders we stand
on. We neither have the learning nor the experience to comment thus.// I completely agree to that opinion - you are
absolutely right. Who are we to say, what Sage Mantreswara should have done! Earlier I heard an opinion that Gunadhya
should have done more in Hora Makaranda! Not satisfied and thankful at all about the fact that we have at least that book!
If Battolpal was this much egotic and orthadox towards even small contributions we may not even have the glimpse of
Prashna system by now! During the period of Bhattolpala, Prashna system was just starting to evolve with the text "Shad
Panchasika" (a very small, not much useful text). If Bhattolpala did not had given an extensive commentary to this work,
no Prashna astrology would have been there by now; and there might not have been another similar text Arya saptami in
place. Love and regards,Sreenadh , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Utkal ji,> > //Mantreswara should have
taken care in this point.//> > Shri Mantreshwara is one of the great seers of astrology and his work> Phaldeepika is one of
the most respected one.> Treatment of trasits is the best here amongst the texts of that period.> Overall a much coveted
text.> > I do not think it is proper to say who should've done what for these great> astrologers of the past. They are the
shoulders we stand on. We neither have> the learning nor the experience to comment thus.> We may review various
works and form our opinions after application and> experiementation. We may say that we see some principle working or
not> working.> But how can we say he should have said this or that with our limited> understanding.> > Regarding
retrogrades, there is a difference of opinion as seen from> different works. In the past we've had many discussions on the
topic which> you may find in the archives.> There is lack of research to pin point how a retro would exactly behave.>
There's no difference in karkatwas being mentioned anywhere. Often the> results are only applicable in transits.> > We
need a much greater body of research and inferences to wish away what is> mentioned in the classics.> > Just sharing my
views. You may not agree.:-)> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/10/9 utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi > >> >> > State of
being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha,> > Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.> >> >
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Like you, I can quote more texts saying " Retrograde Planet but debilitated are
equal to their exaltation " . we all have read it in clasics.
But, not by texts, but by closely watching individual's life, reading impact of
debilitated yet retro graha will make you understand,mentioned dictum needs
further study.
Better be remain at distance as trying to prove an incorrect dictum, might put
you in much loss.
Utkal.
, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish
wrote:
>
> " Retrograde Planet but debilitated, gives results like Exalted. "
>
> yes. this is right.
>
> Anybody who challenges me, I can prove from the texts that this is true.
> But i am not going to prove this for free. My time is valuable. Unless
> good rewards are not given to me, I am not going to spend time in
> proving to any fool about this.
>
> Bhaskar.
, " Bhaskar "
> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:
>>
>>
> > Dear all,
>>
> > This mail I too second. In fact wanted to write the same way but just
> > restrained myself. in the past also some derogatory references were
> made
> > about Brihat Jataka and other few texts, and now about this. I do not
> > understand what is going on here in this forum ? Are we the keepers of
> > the ancient astrology texts and propogators of the same, or are we
> here
> > to create doubts about these, in the minds of the newcomers. This is
> > exatly like what the missionaries are doing in india. Who is better
> than
> > the writers of Brihat jataka or the Phaldeepika to comment on these ?
> > Some non entities who have not yet been able to prove themselves
> better,
> > but have been born with a mouth to shoot off rubbish about the people
> on
> > whose shoulders we stand on as Neelamji rightly said and which is a
> true
> > fact ???>
>>
> > Sreenadhji is much better in such matters. He does not outright negate
>a
> > person except not accept certain matters while accepting others in the
> > same subject, which is the right attitude.
>>
> > But here some people are outright negating people of stature, which is
> > shameful and not in proper line or taste.
>>
> > I request them to come with astrological pointers , instead of just
> > commenting or talking rot about others sitting on a self given high
> seat
> > in his own bedrroom, by his servant.
>>
> > Bhaskar.
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In actual practise nobody can prove much about retrograde planets ,
except maybe timing the event which may not be possible for a normal
astrologer...
Dictums itself mean as being " Correct " . There is nothing like an
incorrect dictum. There is nothing like a evil God. God itself means
Love,
Bhaskar.
, " utkal.panigrahi "
<utkal.panigrahi wrote:
>
> Like you, I can quote more texts saying " Retrograde Planet but
debilitated are equal to their exaltation " . we all have read it in
clasics.
>
> But, not by texts, but by closely watching individual's life, reading
impact of debilitated yet retro graha will make you understand,mentioned
dictum needs further study.
>
> Better be remain at distance as trying to prove an incorrect dictum,

might put you in much loss.
>
> Utkal.
>
> , " Bhaskar "
bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:
>>
> > " Retrograde Planet but debilitated, gives results like Exalted. "
>>
> > yes. this is right.
>>
> > Anybody who challenges me, I can prove from the texts that this is
true.
> > But i am not going to prove this for free. My time is valuable.
Unless
> > good rewards are not given to me, I am not going to spend time in
> > proving to any fool about this.
>>
> > Bhaskar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:
>>>
>>>
> > > Dear all,
>>>
> > > This mail I too second. In fact wanted to write the same way but
just
> > > restrained myself. in the past also some derogatory references
were
> > made
> > > about Brihat Jataka and other few texts, and now about this. I do
not
> > > understand what is going on here in this forum ? Are we the
keepers of
> > > the ancient astrology texts and propogators of the same, or are we
> > here
> > > to create doubts about these, in the minds of the newcomers. This
is
> > > exatly like what the missionaries are doing in india. Who is
better
> > than
> > > the writers of Brihat jataka or the Phaldeepika to comment on
these ?
> > > Some non entities who have not yet been able to prove themselves
> > better,
> > > but have been born with a mouth to shoot off rubbish about the
people
> > on
> > > whose shoulders we stand on as Neelamji rightly said and which is
> > true
> > > fact ???>
>>>
> > > Sreenadhji is much better in such matters. He does not outright
negate
>>a
> > > person except not accept certain matters while accepting others in
the
> > > same subject, which is the right attitude.
>>>
> > > But here some people are outright negating people of stature,
which is
> > > shameful and not in proper line or taste.
>>>
> > > I request them to come with astrological pointers , instead of
just
> > > commenting or talking rot about others sitting on a self given
high
> > seat
> > > in his own bedrroom, by his servant.
>>>
> > > Bhaskar.

>>
>
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Neelam Ji,
Respect to Mantreswara and his great work is intact and always in place, the emphasis is on a matter of fact, from the
academic point of view, that the debilitation of retro grahas is not equal to that of exaltation, I have seen in dozens of
horoscope, debilitated retro Guru has not spared natives, has put them to difficulties and hardships like debilitated and
direct guru, retro debilitated guru also made them compromise for values, values that guru stands for, these natives had a
tendency of embracing even those who do public offence, unless they pre calculate their own benefit, I mean such a guru
made them opportunitstic and compromising.
The other myth is, cancellation of debilitation found in native chart, if, same graha is in exaltation or in own sign in
navmsa, Debilitation (retro or direct) governs larger arena, higher views or values look abstract to people with debilitated
grahas, like, a person with debilitated Guru w'd never lay a foundation of a system, will never make a new law etc,
however, if Guru has inner strength which we find in navamsa, they do some niche or tweakikng in their domain ( even for
this 9'th house and lord should have strength in native's lagna chart), however, they can get people's admiration and catch
all attention for such a niche or small activity which is of high momentarily importance.
regards,Utkal
, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Utkal ji,> > //Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.//> > Shri
Mantreshwara is one of the great seers of astrology and his work> Phaldeepika is one of the most respected one.>
Treatment of trasits is the best here amongst the texts of that period.> Overall a much coveted text.> > I do not think it is
proper to say who should've done what for these great> astrologers of the past. They are the shoulders we stand on. We
neither have> the learning nor the experience to comment thus.> We may review various works and form our opinions
after application and> experiementation. We may say that we see some principle working or not> working.> But how can
we say he should have said this or that with our limited> understanding.> > Regarding retrogrades, there is a difference of
opinion as seen from> different works. In the past we've had many discussions on the topic which> you may find in the
archives.> There is lack of research to pin point how a retro would exactly behave.> There's no difference in karkatwas
being mentioned anywhere. Often the> results are only applicable in transits.> > We need a much greater body of research
and inferences to wish away what is> mentioned in the classics.> > Just sharing my views. You may not agree.:-)> >
Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/10/9 utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi > >> >> > State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal
to State of Uchaha,> > Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.> >> > Utkal.> >> >> > <%40>,> > gopal
krishna goel g.k.goel@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > Let try to understand retrograde planets.> > > On the
out set I may clarify that mean nodes are never retrograde,> > > as there normal motion is in reverse direction compared to
other planets> > ,> > > it is only said that their motion is retrograde.., but they (nodes) never> > behave> > > as retrograde
planet.> > > The main features of retrograde planets:> > > 1. They are very near to earth and thus exerts very> > > strong
influence on the earth. When Mercury and Venus are> > > retrograde , they should not be considered as combust but as
'ASTA'> > > THAT IS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO NEARNESS OF sun.> > > 2, As their motion is in reverse direction
when viewed from earth on> > account of> > > relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a sea> >
change ,> > > as such planets assert their influence in disproportionate manner.> > > 3. With the result exalted planets
becomes to hipper sensitive in> > behavior and> > > most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This> >
condition is> > > termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that exalted and> > retrograde> > > Lords of
Trik houses will yield to powerful results.> > > 4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic will delay> >
the results,> > > and malefics will involve the person in unproductive activities.> > > 5. Retrograde planets in debility will
yield to better results subject to> > the condition given in point 4 above.> > >> > > G. K. Goel> > >> > >> > >> > >> >
>> > > <%40>> > > narsimha6@> > > Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700> > > Re: What is a neecha graha vakra> >
phalam (ex: Guru)> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >
>> > >> > >> > > Hi> > >> > > What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it give> > utcha phalam ?
For example Guru.> > >> > > Likely utcha graha vakram ?> > >> > > Thank you> > >> > > Narasimha> > >> > >> > >>
> > --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan msbohra62@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Sudan msbohra62@> >> > >> > > Re:
Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear Gopi Jee> > >> > > <%40>> > >> > > Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM> > >> > >> >
>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Gopi ji,> > >> > >> > >> > > //anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters
destroy it and> > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona houses...//> > >> > >> > >> > > The
same i have observed and asked you that personal question !> > >> > >> > >> > > 8th house is for transformation, a deep
knowledge,a deep understanding> > any subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and 7th lord are in> > Yukti in
8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the question.> > >> > >> > >> > > Where spiritual development can be see by
"Vimshamsha" division chart> > where you have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury sign ,the> > Lagana
lord Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with deep> > interest.> > >> > >> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > >> > >>
> > M.S.Bohra> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > <gopi_b927@ ..> wrote:> > >> > >
>> > >> > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > >> > > > i dont know why you think like this any way i was not at all offended> > >> >
> > and you are not capable of ofending!!> > >> > > > //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is aspecting> >
it,in> > >> > > > Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//> > >> > > > anyway even if anything like that is there
8th H matters destroy it and> > >> > > > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona> > >> > > >
houses...> > >> > > > Love and regards,> > >> > > > gopi.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > I respect for your ethics,i also
follow the same,no professional> > >> > > > interest in Astrology.Not running after money where money is essential> >
>> > > > for survival.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Thanks to reply ,once again excuse me for personal question.> > >> >
> > >> > >> > > > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > e:> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > >> >
> > >> > >> > > > > > i evver had inclination/ desire e<gopor marriage or love.I was> > under> > >> > > > the> > >> > >
> > > impi evvor it was a natioomise(even now)I will never/ever> > compromise> > >> > > > in> > >> > > > > > life on
my own.I just walked out of jobs uncompromisingly. May be> > the> > >> > > > > > reason for financial situation.Even
now i dont want> > >> > > > toproffessionalise> > >> > > > > > my knowledge and make money out of astrology by
compromising.> > Thissio> > >> > > > > > pur> > >> > > > > > my knowledge anobody can get offended in anyway.I am
telling you> > >> > > > > > since you have asked for it as a well wisher/friend. ....> > >> > > > > > Love and regards,> >
>> > > > > > gopi.> > >> > > > > > anientt_indian_ astrology, "msbohra62"> > >> > > > > > <msbora62@> wrrote:> >
>> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > DindiGopi ji,> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation
words.> > >> > > > > > wrrote:> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > an understand ab ji,> > >> > > > > >ur liking of "Monyyoui
ance) but couwordst> > >> > > > > > g> > >> > > > > > > e reason for money matter.> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > >
> Not to get Marriage is sole your decision or due to any love> > >> > > > affair> > >> > > > > > ?Please excuse me if I
am asking you very personal question,it is> > >> > > > just> > >> > > > > > to satisfy my observation.> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > Thanks,> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "gopalakrishna"> > >> > > > > >
gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Dear B> > >> > > > > Bohrji,> > >> > > > > ,> > >> > > > >
> > > this is something. You hithe b llll's eye.I would li Dear B> > >> > > > > Bohrjere> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > >
> > > how did you get the below mell's ed.> > >> > > > > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu in 5> > >> > > > > > > h low did in
Vargotam Uchchahaashihi> > >> > > > > > > > esese all makeaman who bebieve i onlyly final authority and> > >> > > >
aaashi> > >> > > > > i> > >> > > > > > > > nts t ahi mthereal targbebieve wa onlyly final onventioy and> > >> > > > > >
ma> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > s> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >s to hir waereal their own experiencesare> > >>
> > > > > > > this is it.> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >makes> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > > //5th hwn experiences. /dren also so their child are > so> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > conventional and well educated in a specialty of filed where chart> > >> > > > > > > > ownentYou) have good
knowledge of so many field but not the> > >> > > > master> > >> > > > > > of> > >> > > > > > > > any field.Technically
you are good,you can learn well by only> > >> > > > > > > > observation only.//> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >
since i am not married till date no question of children.the> > >> > > > other> > >> > > > > > part> > >> > > > > > > > is
corect as well!!> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Your Rahu position is verarak ikarak in this period you
have> > >> > > > > > ac> > ed> > >> > > > > > > > so many td wgll inwill in rest periods perihu.Interestingl y in> > >> >
> > > > Chalit> > >> > > > > > > >ny tr Rahu in 4th in resp perioord of 4th, in 9th s Yog-ks> > >> > > > Yog-karak.> >
>> > > > > o co> no ..meins4th> > >> > > > > nd Jup>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > s > /n 9ti oyourare iu are
in> > >> > > > > o co> or ary or Ac..> > >> > > > > >t rel>> > >> > > > > ed jo>>> > >> > > > > > > s > /> > >> > > > >
have oo manye ppoarenitythe ry ormoney.Your Mart relchalit chart is> > >> > > > > > > > Neech in 11thh itnity to eakhat
you Your Mt loin in ney in> > >> > > > Lands> > >> > > > > > an prop> > >> > > > > > pr.Mirties.Might be you have
invested all ready in proper> > >> > > > > > an nd> > >> > > > > > you> > >> > > > > > > > wis.Migt by wyou
multiplication. //> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >operts inandcounts but everything else is not....> > >> > > > > >
> > Majority is corect .congrats. Please keep it up.....you are> > >> > > > reading> > >> > > > > > a> > >> > > > > > > >
blind char> warm> > >> > > > > > > warm regards,> > >> > > > > > > > gopi..> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > These are some my observation, pleaseards,> > >> > > > > rm the same,wh> > >> > > > > > mxtend> > >> > > > > >
my> > >> > > > > > > > reading is right.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > >> > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > > > > rea>> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
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i> > >> > > > > > > > > ursuro> > >> > > > > > > > > ururr u us way ooishna" <h i i l verery m chrery much.> > >> > > >
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Dear Manoj Ji,
Thanks for putting it right, I have shared my finding and understanding
in previous post to Neelam Ji.
Have a request to all : Pls don't add a heavy " Ji " to my name, I m
comfortable with " utkal " or " dear utkal " .
regards,
Utkal.
, Manoj Chandran
<chandran_manoj wrote:
>
> Dear Utkal Ji, Neelam Ji,
>
> I completely agree with Neelam Ji on this. Also let us pause for a
minute and consider this:
>
> First Jyotish was and isÂ primarily an Oral Tradition and NOT a
writtenÂ Tradition.Â So the " classics " are only pointers to be
elaborated by theÂ Teacher to the Student. It is not meantÂ to be
a FAQ on Jyotish, it is meant toÂ be an " Oral Textbook " . Further, let
us consider this: HowÂ does an Author/Teacher try to " amplify " or
" Highlight " some thing in the text in a language that does NOT haveÂ
" bold types " ,Â " italics " , " red coloring " , " underlining " ,
" subheadings " , " paragraphs " etc? The Teacher does so by " Exaggeration " .
That is a very powerful Oral Tradition Tool used over and over again in
Jyotish.Â
>
> Hence the above statement in consideration, " might " be anÂ
exaggerated comment by the GreatÂ Teacher Mantreswar to indicate to
the Student thatÂ a planet that is Neecha and Vakri will behave in a
" different " way. What better way for a student toÂ remember this than
by memorizing a dictum that reads " A planet that is Neecha and Vakri
will behave like an exalted planet " . So " how " this planet " actually " Â
behaves NEEDS to be learned fromÂ Mantreswar's Oral Tradition (it if
exists and we have the good karma to access the same). In the absence of
this direct access to that exalted tradition, the BEST we can do is to
experiment and research, keeping in mind however, it can NEVER be the
same as learning from an Authentic Oral Tradition where the dictum
orgininated from.
>Â
> Regards,
> Â -Manoj
>Â
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> neelam gupta neelamgupta07
>
> Fri, October 9, 2009 8:25:45 AM

> Re: Re: What is a neecha graha
vakra phalam (ex: Guru)
>
>Â
> Dear Utkal ji,
>
> //Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.//
>
> Shri Mantreshwara is one of the great seers of astrology and his work
Phaldeepika is one of the most respected one.
> Treatment of trasits is the best here amongst the texts of that
period. Overall a much coveted text.
>
> I do not think it is proper to say who should've done what for these
great astrologers of the past. They are the shoulders we stand on. We
neither have the learning nor the experience to comment thus.
> We may review various works and form our opinions after application
and experiementation. We may say that we see some principle working or
not working.
> But how can we say he should have said this or that with our limited
understanding.
>
> Regarding retrogrades, there is a difference of opinion as seen from
different works. In the past we've had many discussions on the topic
which you may find in the archives.
> There is lack of research to pin point how a retro would exactly
behave. There's no difference in karkatwas being mentioned anywhere.
Often the results are only applicable in transits.
>
> We need a much greater body of research and inferences to wish away
what is mentioned in the classics.
>
> Just sharing my views. You may not agree.:-)
>
> Regards
> Neelam
>
>
>
> 2009/10/9 utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >
>
>Â
> >State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha,
Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.
>>
> >Utkal.
>>
>>
> >ancient_indian_ astrology, gopal krishna
goel g.k.goel@ wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Friends,
> >> Let try to understand retrograde planets.
> >> On the out set I may clarify that mean nodes are never retrograde,
> >> as there normal motion is in reverse direction compared to other
planets ,
> >> it is only said that their motion is retrograde.. , but they
(nodes) never behave
> >> as retrograde planet.
> >> The main features of retrograde planets:
> >> 1. They are very near to earth and thus exerts very
> >> strong influence on the earth. When Mercury and Venus are
> >> retrograde , they should not be considered as combust but as 'ASTA'
> >> THAT IS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO NEARNESS OF sun.
> >> 2, As their motion is in reverse direction when viewed from earth
on account of
> >> relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a
sea change ,
> >> as such planets assert their influence in disproportionate manner.
> >> 3. With the result exalted planets becomes to hipper sensitive in
behavior and
> >> most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This
condition is
> >> termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that
exalted and retrograde
> >> Lords of Trik houses will yield to powerful results.
> >> 4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic will
delay the results,
> >> and malefics will involve the person in unproductive activities.
> >> 5. Retrograde planets in debility will yield to better results
subject to the condition given in point 4 above.
> >>
> >> G. K. Goel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ancient_indian_ astrology
> >> narsimha6@ .
>>
> >> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700
> >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: What is a neecha graha
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it
give utcha phalam ? For example Guru.
> >>
> >> Likely utcha graha vakram ?
> >>
> >> Thank you
> >>
> >> Narasimha
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan msbohra62@ .> wrote:

> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sudan msbohra62@ .>
>>
> >>
> >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear
Gopi Jee
> >>
> >> ancient_indian_ astrology
> >>
> >> Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Gopi ji,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> //anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy
it and lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona
houses...//
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The same i have observed and asked you that personal question !
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep
understanding any subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and
7th lord are in Yukti in 8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the
question.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Where spiritual development can be see by " Vimshamsha " division
chart where you have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury
sign ,the Lagana lord Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with
deep interest.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> M.S.Bohra

> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna "
<gopi_b927@ ..> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Dear Bohra ji,
> >>
> >> > i dont know why you think like this any way i was not at all
offended
> >>
> >> > and you are not capable of ofending!!
> >>
> >> > //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is
aspecting it,in
> >>
> >> > Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//
> >>
> >> > anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy
it and
> >>
> >> > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona
> >>
> >> > houses...

> >>
> >> > Love and regards,
> >>
> >> > gopi.
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > > I respect for your ethics,i also follow the same,no
professional
> >>
> >> > interest in Astrology.Not running after money where money is
essential
> >>
> >> > for survival.
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > > Thanks to reply ,once again excuse me for personal question.
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > > M.S.Bohra
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > >

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> >> > > > Dear Bohra ji,
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> >> > > > i evver had inclination/ desire e<gopor marriage or love.I
was under
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> >> > the
> >>
> >> > > > impi evvor it was a natioomise(even now)I will never/ever
compromise
> >>
> >> > in
> >>
> >> > > > life on my own.I just walked out of jobs uncompromisingly.
May be the
> >>
> >> > > > reason for financial situation.Even now i dont want
> >>
> >> > toproffessionalise
> >>
> >> > > > my knowledge and make money out of astrology by compromising.
Thissio
> >>
> >> > > > pur
> >>
> >> > > > my knowledge anobody can get offended in anyway.I am telling
you
> >>
> >> > > > since you have asked for it as a well wisher/friend. ....
> >>
> >> > > > Love and regards,
> >>
> >> > > > gopi.
> >>
> >> > > > anientt_indian_ astrology,
" msbohra62 "
> >>
> >> > > > <msbora62@> wrrote:
> >>
> >> > > > >
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> >> > > > > DindiGopi ji,
> >>
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> >> > > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation words.
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> >> > > > wrrote:
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> >> > > > > e reason for money matter.
> >>
> >> > > > >
> >>
> >> > > > > Not to get Marriage is sole your decision or due to any
love
> >>
> >> > affair
> >>
> >> > > > ?Please excuse me if I am asking you very personal
question,it is
> >>
> >> > just
> >>
> >> > > > to satisfy my observation.
> >>
> >> > > > >
> >>
> >> > > > > Thanks,
> >>
> >> > > > >
> >>
> >> > > > > M.S.Bohra
> >>
> >> > > > >
> >>
> >> > > > >

> >>
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> >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,
" gopalakrishna "
> >>
> >> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:
> >>
> >> > > > >
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> >> > > > > > Dear B
> >>
> >> > > Bohrji,
> >>
> >> > > ,
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> >> > > > > > this is something. You hithe b llll's eye.I would li Dear
> >>
> >> > > Bohrjere
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> >> > > >> >
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> >> > > > > > how did you get the below mell's ed.
> >>
> >> > > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu in 5
> >>
> >> > > > > h low did in Vargotam Uchchahaashihi
> >>
> >> > > > > > esese all makeaman who bebieve i onlyly final authority
and
> >>
> >> > aaashi
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> >> > > i
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> >> > > > > > nts t ahi mthereal targbebieve wa onlyly final onventioy
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> >> > > > > > > //5th hwn experiences. /dren also so their child are >
so
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> >> > > > > > >
> >>
> >> > > conventional and well educated in a specialty of filed where
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> >>
> >> > > > > > ownentYou) have good knowledge of so many field but not
the
> >>
> >> > master
> >>
> >> > > > of
> >>
> >> > > > > > any field.Technically you are good,you can learn well by
only
> >>
> >> > > > > > observation only.//
> >>
> >> > > > > >
> >>
> >> > > > > > since i am not married till date no question of
children.the
> >>
> >> > other
> >>
> >> > > > part
> >>
> >> > > > > > is corect as well!!
> >>
> >> > > > > > >
> >>
> >> > > > > > > Your Rahu position is verarak ikarak in this period you
have
> >>
> >> > > > ac> > ed
> >>
> >> > > > > > so many td wgll inwill in rest periods
> >>
> >> > > > Chalit
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> >> > > > > >ny tr Rahu in 4th in resp perioord of 4th, in 9th s Yog-ks
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> >> > > have oo manye ppoarenitythe ry ormoney.Your Mart relchalit
chart is
> >>
> >> > > > > > Neech in 11thh itnity to eakhat you Your Mt loin in ney
in
> >>
> >> > Lands
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> >> > > > an prop
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> >> > > > pr.Mirties.Might be you have invested all ready in proper
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> >> > > > > > wis.Migt by wyou multiplication. //
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> >> > > > > >
> >>
> >> > > > > >operts inandcounts but everything else is not....
> >>
> >> > > > > > Majority is corect .congrats. Please keep it up.....you
are
> >>
> >> > reading
> >>
> >> > > > a

> >>
> >> > > > > > blind char> warm
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> >> > > > > warm regards,
> >>
> >> > > > > > gopi..
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> >> > > > > > > These are some my observation, pleaseards,
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> >> > > > > > reading is right.
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> >> > > > > > > Thanks,
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> >> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

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Dear Utkal ji,I agree with you. A debilitated planet would behave like debilitated only. Perhaps the word NEECHA
explains it better. A debilitated retrograde would be like a strong NEECHA or a stubborn NEECHA in a way. It cannot
become and behave like an exalted planet technically.
But you would agree that there are many layers through which astrology unfolds. e.g a debilitated planet would give
differeent results at physical, mental and spiritual level. Let us take the example of Obama's chart. He has a debilitated
retro Guru. There is also a neech bhang. Guru dasha has been most happening in his life.
Here we may see the working of a Neecha Jupiter, a retro Jupiter and how a neecha retro guru gave him an exalted status.
A neech bhang as well.As Manoj ji said, and I agree with him, shastras having come from an oral tradition have lost
important nuances and if we apply them literally, we might go terribly wrong. At the same time we cannot say what has
been written was wrong.
I always stick to one principle which I has been made very clear to me by my gurus. That there is nothing in the horoscope
which is redundant or without purpose. Though it gets modified by various associations and influences!
RegardsNeelam2009/10/10 utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi
Neelam Ji,
regards,Utkal
, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>
> Dear Utkal ji,> > //Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.//> > Shri Mantreshwara is one of the great seers of
astrology and his work> Phaldeepika is one of the most respected one.
> Treatment of trasits is the best here amongst the texts of that period.> Overall a much coveted text.> > I do not think it is
neither have
> the learning nor the experience to comment thus.> We may review various works and form our opinions after
application and> experiementation. We may say that we see some principle working or not> working.
> But how can we say he should have said this or that with our limited> understanding.> > Regarding retrogrades, there is
a difference of opinion as seen from> different works. In the past we've had many discussions on the topic which
> you may find in the archives.> There is lack of research to pin point how a retro would exactly behave.> There's no
difference in karkatwas being mentioned anywhere. Often the> results are only applicable in transits.
> > We need a much greater body of research and inferences to wish away what is> mentioned in the classics.> > Just
sharing my views. You may not agree.:-)> > Regards> Neelam
> > > 2009/10/9 utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi > >> >> > State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of
Uchaha,> > Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.
> >> > Utkal.> >> >> > <%40>,
> > gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > Let try to understand retrograde planets.> > >
On the out set I may clarify that mean nodes are never retrograde,
> > > as there normal motion is in reverse direction compared to other planets> > ,> > > it is only said that their motion is
retrograde.., but they (nodes) never> > behave> > > as retrograde planet.
> > > The main features of retrograde planets:> > > 1. They are very near to earth and thus exerts very> > > strong
'ASTA'
> > > THAT IS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO NEARNESS OF sun.> > > 2, As their motion is in reverse direction when
viewed from earth on> > account of> > > relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a sea
> > change ,> > > as such planets assert their influence in disproportionate manner.> > > 3. With the result exalted planets
becomes to hipper sensitive in> > behavior and> > > most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This
> > condition is> > > termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that exalted and> > retrograde> > >
Lords of Trik houses will yield to powerful results.> > > 4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic will
delay
> > the results,> > > and malefics will involve the person in unproductive activities.> > > 5. Retrograde planets in debility
will yield to better results subject to> > the condition given in point 4 above.
> > >> > > G. K. Goel> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > <%40>
> > > narsimha6@> > > Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700> > > Re: What is a neecha graha vakra> > phalam (ex: Guru)>
>>
> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hi> > >> > > What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will
it give
> > utcha phalam ? For example Guru.> > >> > > Likely utcha graha vakram ?> > >> > > Thank you> > >> > >
Narasimha> > >> > >
> > >> > > --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan msbohra62@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Sudan msbohra62@> >> > >> > > Re:
Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear Gopi Jee
> > >> > > <%40>
> > >> > > Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >
> > > Dear Gopi ji,> > >> > >> > >> > > //anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and> > lead
> > >> > >> > >> > > The same i have observed and asked you that personal question !> > >> > >> > >> > > 8th house is
for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep understanding
> > any subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and 7th lord are in> > Yukti in 8th house of Navmansa insist me
to asked the question.> > >> > >> > >> > > Where spiritual development can be see by " Vimshamsha " division chart
> > where you have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury sign ,the> > Lagana lord Rashi.So you are in
search of mysterious word with deep> > interest.> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > >> > >> > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna "
> > <gopi_b927@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > >> > > > i dont know why you think like this any
way i was not at all offended
> > >> > > > and you are not capable of ofending!!> > >> > > > //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is
aspecting> > it,in> > >
> > > > Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//> > >> > > > anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H
matters destroy it and> > >> > > > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona
> > >> > > > houses...> > >> > > > Love and regards,> > >> > > > gopi.> > >> > > > >> > >
> > > > > I respect for your ethics,i also follow the same,no professional> > >> > > > interest in Astrology.Not running
after money where money is essential> > >
> > > > for survival.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Thanks to reply ,once again excuse me for personal question.> > >> >
>>>
> > >> > > > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > e:> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > >> > > > >> > >
> > > > > > i evver had inclination/ desire e<gopor marriage or love.I was> > under> > >> > > > the> > >> > > > > > impi
evvor it was a natioomise(even now)I will never/ever
> > compromise> > >> > > > in> > >> > > > > > life on my own.I just walked out of jobs uncompromisingly. May be> >
the> > >> > > > > > reason for financial situation.Even now i dont want
> > >> > > > toproffessionalise> > >> > > > > > my knowledge and make money out of astrology by compromising.> >
Thissio> > >> > > > > > pur
> > >> > > > > > my knowledge anobody can get offended in anyway.I am telling you> > >> > > > > > since you have
asked for it as a well wisher/friend. ....
> > >> > > > > > Love and regards,> > >> > > > > > gopi.> > >> > > > > > anientt_indian_ astrology, " msbohra62 "
> > >> > > > > > <msbora62@> wrrote:> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > DindiGopi ji,> > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation words.> > >> > > > > > wrrote:> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > an understand ab ji,> > >> > > > > >ur liking of " Monyyoui ance) but couwordst> > >> > > > > > g> > >
> > > > > > > e reason for money matter.> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Not to get Marriage is sole your decision
or due to any love
> > >> > > > affair> > >> > > > > > ?Please excuse me if I am asking you very personal question,it is> > >> > > > just> >
>
> > > > > > to satisfy my observation.> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Thanks,> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > " gopalakrishna " > > >
> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Dear B> > >> > > > > Bohrji,
> > >> > > > > ,> > >> > > > > > > > this is something. You hithe b llll's eye.I would li Dear B> > >> > > > > Bohrjere
> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > how did you get the below mell's ed.> > >> > > > > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu
in 5
> > >> > > > > > > h low did in Vargotam Uchchahaashihi> > >> > > > > > > > esese all makeaman who bebieve i onlyly
final authority and> > >
> > > > aaashi> > >> > > > > i> > >> > > > > > > > nts t ahi mthereal targbebieve wa onlyly final onventioy and> > >> >
> > > > ma
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > s> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >s to hir waereal their own experiencesare
> > >> > > > > > > > this is it.> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >makes> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > //5th hwn experiences. /dren also so their child are > so
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > conventional and well educated in a specialty of filed where chart
> > >> > > > > > > > ownentYou) have good knowledge of so many field but not the> > >> > > > master> > >> > > > > >
of
> > >> > > > > > > > any field.Technically you are good,you can learn well by only> > >> > > > > > > > observation
only.//> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > since i am not married till date no question of children.the> > >> > > > other> > >
> > > > > > part> > >> > > > > > > > is corect as well!!> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Your Rahu position
is verarak ikarak in this period you have
> > >> > > > > > ac> > ed> > >> > > > > > > > so many td wgll inwill in rest periods perihu.Interestingl y in> > >> > > >
> > Chalit
> > >> > > > > > > >ny tr Rahu in 4th in resp perioord of 4th, in 9th s Yog-ks> > >> > > > Yog-karak.> > >> > > > > o
co> no ..meins4th
> > >> > > > > nd Jup>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > s > /n 9ti oyourare iu are in> > >
> > > > > o co> or ary or Ac..> > >> > > > > >t rel>> > >> > > > > ed jo>>> > >> > > > > > > s > /
> > >> > > > > have oo manye ppoarenitythe ry ormoney.Your Mart relchalit chart is> > >> > > > > > > > Neech in 11thh
itnity to eakhat you Your Mt loin in ney in
> > >> > > > Lands> > >> > > > > > an prop> > >> > > > > > pr.Mirties.Might be you have invested all ready in proper>
>>
> > > > > > an nd> > >> > > > > > you> > >> > > > > > > > wis.Migt by wyou multiplication. //> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >operts inandcounts but everything else is not....> > >> > > > > > > > Majority is corect .congrats.
Please keep it up.....you are
> > >> > > > reading> > >> > > > > > a> > >> > > > > > > > blind char> warm> > >> > > > > > > warm regards,
> > >> > > > > > > > gopi..> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > These are some my observation, pleaseards,
> > >> > > > > rm the same,wh> > >> > > > > > mxtend> > >> > > > > > my> > >> > > > > > > > reading is right.
> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > > > > rea>> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > e:> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy th
> > >> > > > > > > > > s>> > >> > > > > > >> > > n i> > >> > > > > > > > > ursuro> > >
> > > > > > > > > ururr u us way ooishna " <h i i l verery m chrery much.> > >> > > > > > adress> > >> > > > > > > > > >
e i,
> > >> > > > > > h> > >> > > > > > > > th> > >> > > > > > > >andedony andedowhw etMahwhw> > >
> > > > > > adres.> > >> > > > > >.Mc ll l i i,h.eheiu to to> > >> > > > > > > > > u ony anhe ehe s> > >> > > > >
Mahwhw a
> > >> > > > > > > >r.Mc.Mc e th s ro o y iopoo yi iopore eea e alhe c>> > >> > > > > aeast c>> > >
> > > > > > my2e2my> e> > >> > > > > > > e > e> > >> > > > > > h o y ioyoo yi iop> > >> > > > > re eea eoeaet lavl
hadavhvtady2e2me> e
> > >> > > > > >dtadb ebines>> > >> > > > > b si hys> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >e
> > >> > > > > > > l o soy> > >> > > > > > > > > yr h> > >> > > > > > vt> ybehds andb ebnnem ysno no ol 5 lnd 5 l le eb.
> > >> > > > > > > > b> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > y b.
> > >> > > > > > > > > durdrddsfrdrds,> > >> > > > > >> >> > --> > >> > > > > --- a> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > -- a> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >
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Thanks a lot, thanks to Manoj Ji also, I do not have Obma's birth data,
pls favor me with his birth data that you are using.
regards,
Utkal.
, neelam gupta
>
> Dear Utkal ji,
>
> I agree with you. A debilitated planet would behave like debilitated
only.
> Perhaps the word NEECHA explains it better.
> A debilitated retrograde would be like a strong NEECHA or a stubborn
NEECHA
> in a way. It cannot become and behave like an exalted planet
technically.
> But you would agree that there are many layers through which astrology
> unfolds. e.g a debilitated planet would give differeent results at
physical,
> mental and spiritual level.
>
> Let us take the example of Obama's chart. He has a debilitated retro
Guru.
> There is also a neech bhang. Guru dasha has been most happening in his
life.
> Here we may see the working of a Neecha Jupiter, a retro Jupiter and
how a
> neecha retro guru gave him an exalted status. A neech bhang as well.
>
> As Manoj ji said, and I agree with him, shastras having come from an
oral
> tradition have lost important nuances and if we apply them literally,
we
> might go terribly wrong. At the same time we cannot say what has been
> written was wrong.
>
> I always stick to one principle which I has been made very clear to me
by my
> gurus. That there is nothing in the horoscope which is redundant or
without
> purpose. Though it gets modified by various associations and
influences!
>
> Regards
> Neelam
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Dear Utkal ji,I have been using 4.8.1961/13.06/Honolulu for Barack Obama which gives him labra lagna.Some successful
predictions were made about his becoming President in this group itself. You may check the archive.
Col Gour, an eminent faculty member of BVB has given predictions on this chart which you may find on JOA
website.http://www.journalofastrology.com/article.php?article_id=249
Later some data was floated on the internet, just before the elections which gave him Makar lagna. You may check for
yourself and compare. For the purpose of this thread, both the data still give him a neecha, retro jupiter in kendra and
Jupiter's mahadasha from 1998.
RegardsNeelam2009/10/10 utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi
Thanks a lot, thanks to Manoj Ji also, I do not have Obma's birth data,
pls favor me with his birth data that you are using.
regards,
Utkal.
, neelam gupta
>
> Dear Utkal ji,
>
only.
> Perhaps the word NEECHA explains it better.
NEECHA
> in a way. It cannot become and behave like an exalted planet

technically.
> unfolds. e.g a debilitated planet would give differeent results at
physical,
> mental and spiritual level.
>
Guru.
> There is also a neech bhang. Guru dasha has been most happening in his
life.
how a
> neecha retro guru gave him an exalted status. A neech bhang as well.
>
oral
> tradition have lost important nuances and if we apply them literally,
we
> might go terribly wrong. At the same time we cannot say what has been
> written was wrong.
>
by my
> gurus. That there is nothing in the horoscope which is redundant or
without
> purpose. Though it gets modified by various associations and

influences!
>
> Regards
> Neelam
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congratulations Neelamji, you have made the matter so clear and with such perfect example, there is no more any room for
any doubts.regards, Anita--- On Sat, 10/10/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re:
What is a neecha graha vakra phalam (ex: Guru) Date: Saturday, 10 October, 2009, 6:58 AM
Dear Utkal ji,I agree with you. A debilitated planet would behave like debilitated only. Perhaps the word NEECHA
explains it better. A debilitated retrograde would be like a strong NEECHA or a stubborn NEECHA in a way. It cannot
become and behave like an exalted planet technically.
But you would agree that there are many layers through which astrology unfolds. e.g a debilitated planet would give
differeent results at physical, mental and spiritual level. Let us take the example of Obama's chart. He has a debilitated
retro Guru. There is also a neech bhang. Guru dasha has been most happening in his life.
Here we may see the working of a Neecha Jupiter, a retro Jupiter and how a neecha retro guru gave him an exalted status.
A neech bhang as well.As Manoj ji said, and I agree with him, shastras having come from an oral tradition have lost
important nuances and if we apply them literally, we might go terribly wrong. At the same time we cannot say what has
been written was wrong.
I always stick to one principle which I has been made very clear to me by my gurus. That there is nothing in the horoscope
which is redundant or without purpose. Though it gets modified by various associations and influences!
RegardsNeelam2009/10/10 utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

Neelam Ji,
regards,Utkal
ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>
> Dear Utkal ji,> > //Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.//> > Shri Mantreshwara is one of the great seers of
astrology and his work> Phaldeepika is one of the most respected one.
> Treatment of trasits is the best here amongst the texts of that period.> Overall a much coveted text.> > I do not think it is
neither have
> the learning nor the experience to comment thus.> We may review various works and form our opinions after
application and> experiementation. We may say that we see some principle working or not> working.
> But how can we say he should have said this or that with our limited> understanding.> > Regarding retrogrades, there is
a difference of opinion as seen from> different works. In the past we've had many discussions on the topic which
> you may find in the archives.> There is lack of research to pin point how a retro would exactly behave.> There's no
difference in karkatwas being mentioned anywhere. Often the> results are only applicable in transits.
> > We need a much greater body of research and inferences to wish away what is> mentioned in the classics.> > Just
sharing my views. You may not agree.:-)> > Regards> Neelam
> > > 2009/10/9 utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > >> >> > State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of
Uchaha,> > Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.
> >> > Utkal.> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>,
> > gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > Let try to understand retrograde planets.> > >
On the out set I may clarify that mean nodes are never retrograde,
> > > as there normal motion is in reverse direction compared to other planets> > ,> > > it is only said that their motion is
retrograde.. , but they (nodes) never> > behave> > > as retrograde planet.
> > > The main features of retrograde planets:> > > 1. They are very near to earth and thus exerts very> > > strong
'ASTA'
> > > THAT IS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO NEARNESS OF sun.> > > 2, As their motion is in reverse direction when
viewed from earth on> > account of> > > relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a sea
> > change ,> > > as such planets assert their influence in disproportionate manner.> > > 3. With the result exalted planets
becomes to hipper sensitive in> > behavior and> > > most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This
> > condition is> > > termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that exalted and> > retrograde> > >
Lords of Trik houses will yield to powerful results.> > > 4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic will
delay
> > the results,> > > and malefics will involve the person in unproductive activities.> > > 5. Retrograde planets in debility
will yield to better results subject to> > the condition given in point 4 above.
> > >> > > G. K. Goel> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>
> > > narsimha6@> > > Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: What is a neecha graha
vakra> > phalam (ex: Guru)> > >
> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hi> > >> > > What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will
it give
> > utcha phalam ? For example Guru.> > >> > > Likely utcha graha vakram ?> > >> > > Thank you> > >> > >
Narasimha> > >> > >
> > >> > > --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan msbohra62@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Sudan msbohra62@> >> > >> > >
[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear Gopi Jee
> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>
> > >> > > Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >
> > > Dear Gopi ji,> > >> > >> > >> > > //anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and> > lead
> > >> > >> > >> > > The same i have observed and asked you that personal question !> > >> > >> > >> > > 8th house is
for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep understanding
> > any subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and 7th lord are in> > Yukti in 8th house of Navmansa insist me
to asked the question.> > >> > >> > >> > > Where spiritual development can be see by "Vimshamsha" division chart
> > where you have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury sign ,the> > Lagana lord Rashi.So you are in
search of mysterious word with deep> > interest.> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > >> > >> > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"
> > <gopi_b927@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > >> > > > i dont know why you think like this any
way i was not at all offended
> > >> > > > and you are not capable of ofending!!> > >> > > > //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is
aspecting> > it,in> > >
> > > > Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//> > >> > > > anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H
matters destroy it and> > >> > > > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona
> > >> > > > houses...> > >> > > > Love and regards,> > >> > > > gopi.> > >> > > > >> > >
> > > > > I respect for your ethics,i also follow the same,no professional> > >> > > > interest in Astrology.Not running
after money where money is essential> > >
> > > > for survival.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Thanks to reply ,once again excuse me for personal question.> > >> >
>>>
> > >> > > > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > e:> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > >> > > > >> > >
> > > > > > i evver had inclination/ desire e<gopor marriage or love.I was> > under> > >> > > > the> > >> > > > > > impi
evvor it was a natioomise(even now)I will never/ever
> > compromise> > >> > > > in> > >> > > > > > life on my own.I just walked out of jobs uncompromisingly. May be> >
the> > >> > > > > > reason for financial situation.Even now i dont want
> > >> > > > toproffessionalise> > >> > > > > > my knowledge and make money out of astrology by compromising.> >
Thissio> > >> > > > > > pur
> > >> > > > > > my knowledge anobody can get offended in anyway.I am telling you> > >> > > > > > since you have
asked for it as a well wisher/friend. ....
> > >> > > > > > Love and regards,> > >> > > > > > gopi.> > >> > > > > > anientt_indian_ astrology, "msbohra62"
> > >> > > > > > <msbora62@> wrrote:> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > DindiGopi ji,> > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation words.> > >> > > > > > wrrote:> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > an understand ab ji,> > >> > > > > >ur liking of "Monyyoui ance) but couwordst> > >> > > > > > g> > >
> > > > > > > e reason for money matter.> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Not to get Marriage is sole your decision
or due to any love
> > >> > > > affair> > >> > > > > > ?Please excuse me if I am asking you very personal question,it is> > >> > > > just> >
>
> > > > > > to satisfy my observation.> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Thanks,> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "gopalakrishna"> > >
> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Dear B> > >> > > > > Bohrji,
> > >> > > > > ,> > >> > > > > > > > this is something. You hithe b llll's eye.I would li Dear B> > >> > > > > Bohrjere
> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > how did you get the below mell's ed.> > >> > > > > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu
in 5
> > >> > > > > > > h low did in Vargotam Uchchahaashihi> > >> > > > > > > > esese all makeaman who bebieve i onlyly
final authority and> > >
> > > > aaashi> > >> > > > > i> > >> > > > > > > > nts t ahi mthereal targbebieve wa onlyly final onventioy and> > >> >
> > > > ma
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > s> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >s to hir waereal their own experiencesare
> > >> > > > > > > > this is it.> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >makes> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > //5th hwn experiences. /dren also so their child are > so
> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > conventional and well educated in a specialty of filed where chart
> > >> > > > > > > > ownentYou) have good knowledge of so many field but not the> > >> > > > master> > >> > > > > >
of
> > >> > > > > > > > any field.Technically you are good,you can learn well by only> > >> > > > > > > > observation
only.//> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > since i am not married till date no question of children.the> > >> > > > other> > >
> > > > > > part> > >> > > > > > > > is corect as well!!> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Your Rahu position
is verarak ikarak in this period you have
> > >> > > > > > ac> > ed> > >> > > > > > > > so many td wgll inwill in rest periods perihu.Interestingl y in> > >> > > >
> > Chalit
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> > >> > > > > > > >operts inandcounts but everything else is not....> > >> > > > > > > > Majority is corect .congrats.
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> > >> > > > reading> > >> > > > > > a> > >> > > > > > > > blind char> warm> > >> > > > > > > warm regards,
> > >> > > > > > > > gopi..> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > These are some my observation, pleaseards,
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Dear Anita ji,
I agree with you. Nelamji has explained this issue too well. She has
defined well the takes of retro planet giving results differently on
different levels of human behaviours. There is actually no rigid stand
on Retro but Deb. giving Exalted results. This cannot be to the word
because Exalted would remain Exalted. At the same time we must keep our
mind clear about being flexible when approaching this rather than just
being a closed window, which has what been well propositioned by
Neelamji.
regards/Bhaskar.
, Anita R <ash.rsh55
wrote:
>
> congratulations Neelamji, you have made the matter so clear and with
such perfect example, there is no more any room for any doubts.
> regards, Anita
>
> --- On Sat, 10/10/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 wrote:
>
> neelam gupta neelamgupta07
> Re: Re: What is a neecha graha
>
> Saturday, 10 October, 2009, 6:58 AM
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Utkal ji,
>
only. Perhaps the word NEECHA explains it better.

NEECHA in a way. It cannot become and behave like an exalted planet
technically.
>
unfolds. e.g a debilitated planet would give differeent results at
physical, mental and spiritual level.
>
Guru. There is also a neech bhang. Guru dasha has been most happening in
his life.
>
how a neecha retro guru gave him an exalted status. A neech bhang as
well.
>
oral tradition have lost important nuances and if we apply them
literally, we might go terribly wrong. At the same time we cannot say
what has been written was wrong.
>
>
by my gurus. That there is nothing in the horoscope which is redundant
or without purpose. Though it gets modified by various associations and
influences!
>
>
> Regards
> Neelam
>
>
> 2009/10/10 utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Neelam Ji,
> Respect to Mantreswara and his great work is intact and always in
place, the emphasis is on a matter of fact, from the academic point of
view, that the debilitation of retro grahas is not equal to that of
exaltation, I have seen in dozens of horoscope, debilitated retro Guru
has not spared natives, has put them to difficulties and hardships like
debilitated and direct guru, retro debilitated guru also made them
compromise for values, values that guru stands for, these natives had a
tendency of embracing even those who do public offence, unless they pre
calculate their own benefit, I mean such a guru made them opportunitstic
and compromising.
>
> The other myth is, cancellation of debilitation found in native chart,
if, same graha is in exaltation or in own sign in navmsa, Debilitation
(retro or direct) governs larger arena, higher views or values look
abstract to people with debilitated grahas, like, a person with
debilitated Guru w'd never lay a foundation of a system, will never make
a new law etc, however, if Guru has inner strength which we find in
navamsa, they do some niche or tweakikng in their domain ( even for this
9'th house and lord should have strength in native's lagna chart),
however, they can get people's admiration and catch all attention for
such a niche or small activity which is of high momentarily importance.
>
> regards,
> Utkal
>
> ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta
<neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:
>>
>
> > Dear Utkal ji,
>>
> > //Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.//

>>
> > Shri Mantreshwara is one of the great seers of astrology and his
work
> > Phaldeepika is one of the most respected one.
>
> > Treatment of trasits is the best here amongst the texts of that
period.
> > Overall a much coveted text.
>>
> > I do not think it is proper to say who should've done what for these
great
> > astrologers of the past. They are the shoulders we stand on. We
neither have
>
> > the learning nor the experience to comment thus.
> > We may review various works and form our opinions after application
and
> > experiementation. We may say that we see some principle working or
not
> > working.
>
> > But how can we say he should have said this or that with our limited
> > understanding.
>>
> > Regarding retrogrades, there is a difference of opinion as seen from
> > different works. In the past we've had many discussions on the topic
which
>
> > you may find in the archives.
> > There is lack of research to pin point how a retro would exactly
behave.
> > There's no difference in karkatwas being mentioned anywhere. Often
the
> > results are only applicable in transits.
>
>>
> > We need a much greater body of research and inferences to wish away
what is
> > mentioned in the classics.
>>
> > Just sharing my views. You may not agree.:-)
>>
> > Regards
> > Neelam
>
>>
>>
> > 2009/10/9 utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...
>>
>>>
>>>
> > > State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha,
> > > Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.
>
>>>
> > > Utkal.
>>>
>>>
> > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_
astrology%40. com>,
>
> > > gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
> > > > Dear Friends,
> > > > Let try to understand retrograde planets.
> > > > On the out set I may clarify that mean nodes are never
retrograde,
>
> > > > as there normal motion is in reverse direction compared to other
planets
>>>,
> > > > it is only said that their motion is retrograde.. , but they
(nodes) never
> > > behave
> > > > as retrograde planet.
>
> > > > The main features of retrograde planets:

> > > > 1. They are very near to earth and thus exerts very
> > > > strong influence on the earth. When Mercury and Venus are
> > > > retrograde , they should not be considered as combust but as
'ASTA'
>
> > > > THAT IS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO NEARNESS OF sun.
> > > > 2, As their motion is in reverse direction when viewed from
earth on
> > > account of
> > > > relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a
sea
>
> > > change ,
> > > > as such planets assert their influence in disproportionate
manner.
> > > > 3. With the result exalted planets becomes to hipper sensitive
in
> > > behavior and
> > > > most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This
>
> > > condition is
> > > > termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that
exalted and
> > > retrograde
> > > > Lords of Trik houses will yield to powerful results.
> > > > 4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic
will delay
>
> > > the results,
> > > > and malefics will involve the person in unproductive activities.
> > > > 5. Retrograde planets in debility will yield to better results
subject to
> > > the condition given in point 4 above.
>
>>>>
> > > > G. K. Goel
>>>>
>>>>
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> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_
astrology%40. com>
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> > > > narsimha6@
> > > > Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700
> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: What is a neecha graha
vakra
> > > phalam (ex: Guru)
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> > > > Hi
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> > > > What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will
it give
>
> > > utcha phalam ? For example Guru.

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> > > > Likely utcha graha vakram ?
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> > > > Thank you
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> > > > Narasimha
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> > > > --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan msbohra62@ wrote:
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> > > > Sudan msbohra62@
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> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Neechabanga
Rajyoga-dear Gopi Jee
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> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_
astrology%40. com>
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> > > > Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM

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> > > > Dear Gopi ji,
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> > > > //anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters
destroy it and
> > > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona
houses...//
>
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> > > > The same i have observed and asked you that personal question !
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> > > > 8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep
understanding
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> > > any subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and 7th
lord are in
> > > Yukti in 8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the question.
>>>>
>>>>
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> > > > Where spiritual development can be see by " Vimshamsha " division
chart
>
> > > where you have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury
sign ,the
> > > Lagana lord Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with
deep
> > > interest.
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>
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> > > > Thanks,
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> > > > M.S.Bohra
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> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,
" gopalakrishna "
>
> > > <gopi_b927@ ..> wrote:
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> > > > > Dear Bohra ji,
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> > > > > i dont know why you think like this any way i was not at all
offended
>
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> > > > > and you are not capable of ofending!!
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> > > > > //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is
aspecting
> > > it,in
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>
> > > > > Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//
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> > > > > anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters
destroy it and
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> > > > > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha
trikona
>
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> > > > > houses...
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> > > > > Love and regards,
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> > > > > gopi.
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>>>>>>
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> > > > > > I respect for your ethics,i also follow the same,no
professional
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> > > > > interest in Astrology.Not running after money where money is
essential
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>
> > > > > for survival.
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>>>>>>
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> > > > > > Thanks to reply ,once again excuse me for personal question.
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> > > > > > M.S.Bohra
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> > > > > > e:

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> > > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,
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> > > > > > > i evver had inclination/ desire e<gopor marriage or love.I
was
> > > under
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> > > > > the
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> > > > > > > impi evvor it was a natioomise(even now)I will never/ever
>
> > > compromise
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> > > > > in
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> > > > > > > life on my own.I just walked out of jobs uncompromisingly.
May be
> > > the
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> > > > > > > reason for financial situation.Even now i dont want
>
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> > > > > toproffessionalise
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> > > > > > > my knowledge and make money out of astrology by
compromising.
> > > Thissio
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> > > > > > > pur
>
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> > > > > > > my knowledge anobody can get offended in anyway.I am
telling you
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> > > > > > > since you have asked for it as a well wisher/friend. ....
>
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> > > > > > > Love and regards,
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> > > > > > > gopi.
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> > > > > > > anientt_indian_ astrology,
" msbohra62 "
>
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> > > > > > > <msbora62@> wrrote:
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> > > > > > > > DindiGopi ji,
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>
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> > > > > > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation words.
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> > > > > > > wrrote:
>>>>
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>
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> > > > > > an understand ab ji,
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> > > > > > >ur liking of " Monyyoui ance) but couwordst
>>>>
>>>>>>>g
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>
> > > > > > > > e reason for money matter.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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> > > > > > > > Not to get Marriage is sole your decision or due to any
love
>
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> > > > > affair
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> > > > > > > ?Please excuse me if I am asking you very personal
question,it is
>>>>
> > > > > just
>>>>
>
> > > > > > > to satisfy my observation.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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> > > > > > > > Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>
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> > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>
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> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,
> > > " gopalakrishna "
>>>>
>
> > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > Dear B
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> > > > > > Bohrji,
>
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>>>>>>,
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> > > > > > > > > this is something. You hithe b llll's eye.I would li
Dear B
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> > > > > > Bohrjere
>
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> > > > > > >> >
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> > > > > > > > > how did you get the below mell's ed.
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> > > > > > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu in 5
>
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> > > > > > > > h low did in Vargotam Uchchahaashihi
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> > > > > > > > > esese all makeaman who bebieve i onlyly final
authority and
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>
> > > > > aaashi
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>>>>>>i
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> > > > > > > > > nts t ahi mthereal targbebieve wa onlyly final
onventioy and
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> > > > > > > ma
>
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> > > > > > > >s to hir waereal their own experiencesare
>
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> > > > > > > > > this is it.
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> > > > > > > >makes
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>
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> > > > > > > > > > //5th hwn experiences. /dren also so their child are
> so
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> > > > > > conventional and well educated in a specialty of filed where
chart
>
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> > > > > > > > > ownentYou) have good knowledge of so many field but
not the
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> > > > > master
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> > > > > > > of
>
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> > > > > > > > > any field.Technically you are good,you can learn well
by only
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> > > > > > > > > observation only.//
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>
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> > > > > > > > > since i am not married till date no question of
children.the
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> > > > > other
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>
> > > > > > > part
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> > > > > > > > > is corect as well!!
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>>>>>>>>>>
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> > > > > > > > > > Your Rahu position is verarak ikarak in this period
you have
>
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> > > > > > > ac> > ed
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> > > > > > > > > so many td wgll inwill in rest periods
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> > > > > > > Chalit
>
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> > > > > > > > >ny tr Rahu in 4th in resp perioord of 4th, in 9th s
Yog-ks
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> > > > > Yog-karak.
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> > > > > > o co> no ..meins4th
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> > > > > > nd Jup>
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> > > > > > > > >>
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> > > > > > > > s > /n 9ti oyourare iu are in
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> > > > > > o co> or ary or Ac..
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> > > > > > >t rel>
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> > > > > > ed jo>>
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> > > > > > have oo manye ppoarenitythe ry ormoney.Your Mart relchalit
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> > > > > > > > > Neech in 11thh itnity to eakhat you Your Mt loin in
ney in
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> > > > > Lands
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> > > > > > > you
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> > > > > > > > > wis.Migt by wyou multiplication. //
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> > > > > > > > >operts inandcounts but everything else is not....
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> > > > > > > > > Majority is corect .congrats. Please keep it
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>
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> > > > > reading
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> > > > > > > > > blind char> warm
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> > > > > > > > warm regards,
>
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> > > > > > > > > gopi..
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> > > > > > > > > > These are some my observation, pleaseards,
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> > > > > > rm the same,wh
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> > > > > > > mxtend
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> > > > > > > my
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> > > > > > > > > reading is right.
>
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> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
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>
> > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra
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> > > > > > > rea>
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> > > > > > > > > > e:
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> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy th
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Dear Neelam ji, That is a beautiful post. Love and regards,Sreenadh , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Utkal
ji,> > I agree with you. A debilitated planet would behave like debilitated only.> Perhaps the word NEECHA explains it
better.> A debilitated retrograde would be like a strong NEECHA or a stubborn NEECHA> in a way. It cannot become
and behave like an exalted planet technically.> But you would agree that there are many layers through which astrology>
unfolds. e.g a debilitated planet would give differeent results at physical,> mental and spiritual level.> > Let us take the
example of Obama's chart. He has a debilitated retro Guru.> There is also a neech bhang. Guru dasha has been most
happening in his life.> Here we may see the working of a Neecha Jupiter, a retro Jupiter and how a> neecha retro guru
gave him an exalted status. A neech bhang as well.> > As Manoj ji said, and I agree with him, shastras having come from
an oral> tradition have lost important nuances and if we apply them literally, we> might go terribly wrong. At the same
time we cannot say what has been> written was wrong.> > I always stick to one principle which I has been made very
clear to me by my> gurus. That there is nothing in the horoscope which is redundant or without> purpose. Though it gets
modified by various associations and influences!> > Regards> Neelam
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Dear Utkal ji, Anita ji, Bhaskar ji, Sreenadh ji,Thanks. I am glad what I said is understandable.RegardsNeelam2009/10/11
sreesog <sreesog
Dear Neelam ji, That is a beautiful post. Love and regards,Sreenadh
, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Utkal ji,
> > I agree with you. A debilitated planet would behave like debilitated only.> Perhaps the word NEECHA explains it
better.> A debilitated retrograde would be like a strong NEECHA or a stubborn NEECHA
> in a way. It cannot become and behave like an exalted planet technically.> But you would agree that there are many
layers through which astrology> unfolds. e.g a debilitated planet would give differeent results at physical,
> mental and spiritual level.> > Let us take the example of Obama's chart. He has a debilitated retro Guru.> There is also a
neech bhang. Guru dasha has been most happening in his life.> Here we may see the working of a Neecha Jupiter, a retro
Jupiter and how a
> neecha retro guru gave him an exalted status. A neech bhang as well.> > As Manoj ji said, and I agree with him, shastras
having come from an oral> tradition have lost important nuances and if we apply them literally, we
> might go terribly wrong. At the same time we cannot say what has been> written was wrong.> > I always stick to one
principle which I has been made very clear to me by my> gurus. That there is nothing in the horoscope which is redundant
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phalam ? For example Guru.

Likely utcha graha vakram ?

Re: Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear Gopi Jee

Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM

Dear Gopi ji,

8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep understanding any

8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the question.

ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@.

> Dear Bohra ji,

> and you are not capable of ofending!!

> Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//

> Love and regards,

> interest in Astrology.Not running after money where money is essential

> for survival.

> > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > pur

> > > Love and regards,

> > > anientt_indian_ astrology, " msbohra62 "

> > > <msbora62@> wrrote:

> > > > DindiGopi ji,

> > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation words.

> > > wrrote:

> > an understand ab ji,

> > >ur liking of " Monyyoui ance) but couwordst

> > > > e reason for money matter.

> > > to satisfy my observation.

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna "

> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > Dear B

> > Bohrji,

> > Bohrjere

> > >> >

> > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu in 5

> > > > h low did in Vargotam Uchchahaashihi

> > > ma

> > > >s to hir waereal their own experiencesare

> > > > > this is it.

> > > >makes

> > > of

> > > > > observation only.//

> > > part

> > > > > is corect as well!!

> > > ac> > ed

> > > Chalit