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sukanta.adhikari Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:35 am Post subject: Stiffness modifier
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Dear respected Subramaniam sir,

This topic of stiffness modifier is very new for me...since i am designing by IS code ...i have not
come accross this......can you please explain in detail ..the concept of stiffness modifier...and the
relevant ACI code number.

Regards,
S.Adhikari

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er_zaheer Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:43 am Post subject:

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Dear Adhikari,

Joined: 17 Sep 2008
Posts: 110
Location: Saudi Arabia
Stiffness modification for concrete members are recommended in most of the international codes
like, ACI,UBC,IBC, BS and other.
Stiffness modifiers are primarily used to take into account cracking and inelaticaction that has
occured along each memebr before yielding. Different members have different stiffness
modification for e.g., Beam 0.5Ig, Column 1.0Ig for braced frame (see cl 8.6 ACI-318)
Frames that are free to sway stiffness modifications for Beam 0.35Ig, column 0.7Ig like for other
elements (see cl 10.11.1 ACI- 318).

Dr NS sir can explain in more detail.

Regards,
Zaheer

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bookcode Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:35 pm Post subject:

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Where and how do we exactly use these factors in the design? Say for example, do we use this
reduced moment of inertia while cheking deflection of beams? I am not very clear where to use.
Joined: 18 Jun 2009 Could anyone explain please?
Posts: 6

Thanks

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er_zaheer Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:04 pm Post subject:

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These stiffness modifications are used in the analysis only.

Joined: 17 Sep 2008 Regards,

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btgprasad Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:45 am Post subject:

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Hi Zaheer and adhikari,

please check very recent post on same topic for more details and it is addressed by NS sir also.

Addining to that stiffness modifiers affects the analysis results only.modifiers will not be
accounted for design.S/w Tools does same thing.
Joined: 05 Aug 2008
Posts: 125 Modifiers also used for instances like :(taken from std. docs)

1)the design Tu is permitted to be reduced in accordance with code IS

41.1 then u can reduce torsonal stiffness sothat elemnt will attract low torsional loads.
2)if diaphrgm is supported by a steel truss subjected by lateral loads3)Assume that you have a
concrete slab shell elements sup-
ported by a steel truss, but do not want the shell elemnets to act as a flange for the truss; all
flange forces should be carried by the top chord of the truss.Using an area object modifier, you
can force the concrete slab to act only in shear, thereby removing the in-plane “axial” behavior of
the concrete.so that it does not contribute any strength or stiffness in the vertical direction of the
truss

**plz use stiffness modifiers with grt care,u shoud know/feel the behavior of structure and trend
of internal forces beforehand.expect only magnitude of that behavour from computer**

prasad BTG

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Dr. N. Subramanian Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject:
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Hi, What is your real name? Give your name in future.

Note that when you apply stiffness modifiers, the stiffness reduces and it automatically results in
increased deflection of the frame.

However, checking of the deflection is done at working loads. Hence you have to do two analysis-
one with stiffness modifiers using the factored loads and another without stiffness modifiers with
working loads.

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Location: Gaithersburg, MD,
U.S.A.
Generally, stiffness modifiers need not be considered when one is designing only for gravity loads
and is a must for EQ loads.
Best wishes
Subramanian
bookcode wrote:
Where and how do we exactly use these factors in the design? Say for example, do we use
this reduced moment of inertia while cheking deflection of beams? I am not very clear where
to use. Could anyone explain please?

Thanks

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thirumalaichettiar Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:10 am Post subject:

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As informed by Dr.N.S, the stiffness modifiers are used specially for EQ analysis. One has to refer
the very famous and authenticated book SEISMIC DESIGN OF REINFORCED CONCRETE AND
MASONRY BUILDINGS BY M.J.Prestley and Park.-page 163 table 4.1 Effective Member M.I is given
as:

range recommended value

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Rectangular beam 0.3-0.4 Ig 0.4Ig

Tee and L beams 0.25-0.45Ig 0.35Ig
Joined: 26 Jan 2003 columns P>0.5f'cAg 0.7-0.9Ig 0.80Ig
Posts: 3459 columns P=0.2f'cAg 0.5-0.7Ig 0.60Ig
columns P=-0.5f'cAg 0.3-0.5Ig 0.40Ig

Where Ag=gross area of section; Ig=Moment of Inertia of gross concrete section about the
centroidal axis neglecting the reinforcement.

For more details study the book.

T.Rangarajan.

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VPandya Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:49 am Post subject: ACI reply on " the stiffness modifiers".
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Dear Sefi Engrs.,

Since this topic of " the stiffness modifiers" is very important, I send an query to ACI about
the values we should be using based on ACI code. Answer I got that the values I am using at
both SERVICE LOADS and FACTORED LOADS are correct and my interpretation of
ACI Code section are correct. Note there is a significant reduction in stiffness values to be
used in both analysis. ACI has blessed the values I am using.

Regards.

Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Vasudeo Pandya P.E. ; S.E.

Posts: 774 Structural Engineer
Location: Ahmedabad

ACI Reply.
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From: Techinq@concrete.org
To: vasudeopandya@hotmail.com
Subject: 150324 - NM - 318-11 - Clarify provisions 8.7 and 8.8 - 3
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 17:55:16 -0400
DearMr. Vasudeo Pandya:
ACI publishes codes, specifications, and reports for the concrete user. This message is in response
to your technical question/inquiry.

This is correct according to the code language.

ACI documents can be purchased by visiting our on-line "Bookstore" athttp://www.concrete.org or by

contacting our Member Services department at:bookstore@concrete.org- or by Phone: (248) 848-
3800; Fax: (248) 848-3801. At the ACI on-line"Publications", you can preview the abstract and table
of content ofdocuments of interest.

Sincerely,
Technical Staff
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My queryto ACI on Stiffness Reduction:

*Please note thatthis is not an official ACI interpretation. The Institute shall not be
liablefor any loss or damage arising there from. Reference to this shall not be
madein any contract documents.
From: ACIMemberservices@concrete.org
To: ACIMemberServices@concrete.org
Date: 07/28/201512:51 PM
Subject: www.concrete.org Support Request : (ACI 318-11Section 8.7, 8.8 )

Received :2015/07/28 12:51:36

ACI318-11 Section 8.7, 8.8
________________________________________
Subject: ACI 318-11 Section 8.7, 8.8
Name: Vasudeo Pandya
E-Mail: vasudeopandya@hotmail.com

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Message : For At ServiceLoad Analysis of Frames:

I am an ACI Member.

Use Columns Ic = 1.4X0.7Ig =0.98Ig = Ig

Beams Ib = 1.4X0.35Ig = 0.49Ig = 0.5Ig

For At Factored Load Frame Analysis :

Columns Ic = 0.7Ig
Beams Ib = 0.35Ig
IS THIS CORRECT?

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