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URANOS THE SERBS OF ROBERT GORDON LATHAM

Boban Jelenković
 The Serbs of Robert Gordon Latham

List of contents:

1. The Serbs of R. G. Latham, author B. Jelenković, pg. 3

2. R. G. Latham - Where the Slavs lived, author K. K. Dragović, pg. 21

3. R. G. Latham - The Germania of Tacitus, author K. K. Dragović, pg. 23

4. J. G. Eichhorn - Serbi i Sarmati, , author K. K. Dragović, pg. 27

5. J. Grimm –SRB, glorious of all names for South Slavs, author K. K. Dragović, pg. 29

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This article is brief compilation of R. G. Latam's analysis on Sarmatia described in

Ptolomey's Geographia, enriched with maps and images in purpose of easier
orientation and understanding of the text.

Latam's wiew on Ptolomey's Sarmatia is from „Dictionary of Greek and Roman

Geography“, onthe pictures below.

Dictionary of Greek and Roman Geography. William Smith, LLD. London. Walton and Maberly, Upper
Gower Street and Ivy Lane, Paternoster Row; John Murray, Albemarle Street, 1854.

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SARMATIA (pg. 914)

SARMATIA (Σαρμάτια: Eth. Σαρμάται), Eth. Sarmatata, the name of a country in Europe
and Asia. For the earlier and Greek forms of the word see SAUROMATAE.

That S-rm is the same root as S-rb, so that Sarmatae and Serbi, Servi, Sorabi, Srb, &c.,
may be, not only the name for the same populations, but also the same name, has been
surmised, and that upon not unreasonable grounds. The name seems to have first
reached the Greeks through the Scythians of the lower Dnieper and Don, who applied it
to a non-Scythic population. Whether this non-Scythic population used it themselves,
and whether it was limited to them by the Scythians, is uncertain. It was a name, too,
which the Getae used; also one used by some of the Pannonian populations. It was,
probably, the one which the Sarmatians themselves used partially, their neighbours
generally, just like Galli, Graeci, and many others.

More important than the origin of the name are the questions concerning
(1) the area,
(2) the population to which it applied.

Our chief authority on this point is Ptolemy; Strabo's notices are incidental and
fragmentary.

The area given by Strabo to the Galatae and Germani, extends as far as the Borysthenes,
or even the Don, the Tyrigetae being the. most western of the non-German countries of
the southeast, and the Bastarnae being doubtful,--though, perhaps, German (vii. p. 289).
Of a few particular nations, such as the Jazyges, Hamaxobii, and Roxolani, a brief notice
is given, without, however, any special statement as to their Sarmatian or non-Sarmatian
affinities. In Asia, the country of the Sauromatae is called the plains of the Sarmatae, as
opposed to the mountains of Caucasus. The inordinate size given to Germany by Strabo
well nigh obliterates, not only Sarmatia, but Scythia in Europe as well.

Pliny's notices are as incidental as Strabo's, and nearly as brief,--the development of

Germany eastwards [p. 2.915]being also inordinate. He carries it as far as the country of
the Bastarnae.

The Germany of Tacitus is bounded on the east by the Sarmatae and Daci. The Sarmatae
here are the population of a comparatively small area between the Danube and Theiss,
and on the boundaries of Hungary, Moldavia, and Gallicia. But they are something more.
They are the type of a large class widely spread both eastward and northward; a class of
equal value with that of the Germani. This, obviously, subtracts something from the vast
extent of the Germania of Strabo (which nearly meant Northern Europe); but not
enough. The position of the Bastarnae, Peucini, Venedi, and Finni, is still an open
question.

This prepares us for something more systematic, and it is in Ptolemy that we find it. The
SARMATIAE of Ptolemy fall into (1) the EUROPEAN, and (2) the ASIATIC.

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I. SARMATIA EUROPAEA.

The western boundary is the Vistula; the northern the Baltic, as far as the Venedic gulf
and a tract of unknown country; the southern, the country of the Jazyges Metanastae and
Dacia; the eastern, the isthmus of the Crimea, and the Don. This gives us parts of Poland
and Gallicia, Litlhuania, Esthonia, and Western Russia. It includes the Finni (probably a
part only), and the Alauni, who are Scythians eo nomine (Ἀλαῦνοι Σκύθαι). It includes
the Bastarnae, the Peucini, and more especially the Venedi. It also includes the simple
Jazyges, as opposed to the Jazyges Metanastae, who form a small section by themselves.
All these, with the exception of the Finni, are especially stated to be the great nations of
Sarmatia (to which add the Roxolani and Hamaxobii), as opposed to the smaller ones.

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Of the greater nations of Samatia Europaea, the Peucini and Bastarnae of Ptolemy are
placed further north than the Peucini and Bastarnae of his predecessors. By later writers
they are rarely mentioned. Neither are the Jazyges, who are the Jazyges Sarmatae of
Strabo. These, along with the Roxolani, lay along the whole side (ὅλην τὴν πλευρὰν) of
the Maeotis, say in Kherson, Tauris and Ekaterinoslav. Hamaxobii is merely a descriptive
term. It probably was applied to some Scythian population. Pliny writes Hamaxobii aut
Aorsi, a fact of which further notice is taken below. The Alauni, notwithstanding an
Ἀλαῦνον ὄροσ, and other complications, can scarcely be other than the Alani of
Caucasus; the ἀλκήεντεσ Ἄλαυνοι of the Periegesis (1. 302) are undoubted Scythians.
Nestor, indeed has a population otherwise unknown, called Uliczi, the czi being non-
radical, which is placed on the Dniester. It does not, however, remove the difficulty.

The Peucini were best known as the occupants of one of the islands at the mouth of the
Danube. They may also, however, have extended far into Bessarabia. So manifold are the
changes that a word with Sarmatian or Scythian inflexion can undergo, that it is not
improbable that Peuc-ini may be the modern words Budjack and Bess, in Bess-arabia.
The following are the actual forms which the name of the Patz-inacks, exactly in the
country of the Peuc-ini, undergoes in the mediaeval and Byzantine writers.
Πατζινακῖται, Pecenatici, Pizenaci, Pincenates, Postinagi, Peczenjezi (in Slavonic),
Petinei, Pecinei (the nearest approach to Peucini.) Then, in the direction of Budziak and
Bessi, Behnakije, Petschnakije, Pezina-völlr (in Norse), Bisseni and Bessi, (Zeuss, Die
Deutschen, &c. s. vv. Pecinaci and Cumani). The Patzinaks were Scythians, who cannot be
shown to be of recent origin in Europe. They may, then, have been the actual
descendants of the Peucini; though this is not necessary, for they may have been a
foreign people who, on reaching the country of the Peuc-ini, took the name; in such a
case being Peuc-ini in the way that an Englishman is a Briton, i. e. not at all. The
difference between the Peucini and Bastarnae was nominal. Perhaps the latter were
Moldavian rather than Bessarabian. The Atmoni and Siaones of Strabo were Bastarnae.
The geography of the minor nations is more obscure, the arrangement of Ptolemy being
some-what artificial. He traces them in two parallel columns, from north to south,
beginning, in both cases with the country of the Venedi, and taking the eastern bank of
the Vistula first. The first name on this list is that of the Gythones, south of the Venedi. It
is not to be understood by this that the Venedi lay between the Gythones and the Baltic,
so as to make the latter an inland people, but simply that the Venedi of the parts about
Memel lay north of the Gythones of the parts about Elbing. Neither can this people be
separated from the Guttones and Aestyii, i. e. the populations of the amber country, or
East Prussia.

The Finni succeed (Γύθωνεσ εἶτα Φίννοι). It is not likely that these Finns (if Finns of
Finland) can have laid due south of East Prussia; though not impossible. They were,
probably, on the east.

The Bulanes (Sulones?), with the Phrugundiones to the south, and the Avareni at the
head of the Vistula, bring us to the Dacian frontier. The details here are all conjectural.
Zeuss has identified the Bulanes with the Borani of Zosimus, who, along with the Goths,
the Carpi, and the Urugundi, attacked the empire under Gallus. In Nestor a population
called Sul-iczi occupies a locality between the Dnieper and Dniester: but this is too far
east. In Livonia, Henry the Lett gives prominence to the nation of the Selones, a likelier

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identification. For Bulanes (supposing this to be the truer reading) the word Polyane
gives us the most plausible signification. Nestor uses it frequently. It is Pole, primarily
meaning occupants of plains. Wherever, then, there were plains they might be Polyane;
and Nestor actually mentions two divisions of them; the Lekhs, or Poles of the Vistula,
and the Polyane of the Dnieper.

The Phrugundiones of Ptolemy have always been a crux geographica. Name for name,
they are so like Burgundiones as to have suggested the idea of a migration from Poland
to Burgundy. Then there are the Urugundi and Burgundi of the Byzantine writers (see
Zeuss, s. vv. Borani, Urugundi), with whom the Ptolemaean population is, probably,
identical. The writer who is unwilling to assume migrations unnecessarily will ask
whether the several Burgundys may not be explained on the principle suggested by the
word Polyane, i. c. whether the word may not be the name of more than one locality of
the same physical conditions. Probably, this is the case. In the German, and also in the
Slavonic languages, the word Fairguni, Fergund, Vergunt, Virgunda, Virgunndia, and
Viraunnia, mean hill-range, forest, elevated tract. [p. 2.916]Of these there might be any
amount,--their occurrence in different and distant parts by no means implying
migrations.

The Avareni may be placed in Gallicia.

South of them come the Ombrones, and the Anarto-phracti. Are these the Arnartes of
Caesar? The Anartes of Caesar were on the eastern confines of the Hercynian forest
(Bell. Gall. 6.24, 25), conterminous with the Daci, a fact which, taken along with the
physical conditions of the country, gives us Western Gallicia, or Austrian Silesia, for the
Anarto-phracti. Then come the Burgiones, then the Arsiaetae (compare with Aorsi), then
the Saboki, then the Piengitae, and then the Bessi, along the Carpathian Mountains.
Gallicia, with parts of Volhynia, and Podolia give us ample room for these obscure, and
otherwise unnamed, populations.

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The populations of the second column lie to the east of those just enumerated, beginning
again with the Venedi (ὑπὸ τοῦσ Οὐενέδασ πάλιν). Vilna, Grodno, with parts of Minsk,
Volhynia, Podolia, and Kiev give us an area over which we have six names to distribute.
Its southern boundary are the Peucinian mountains (Bukhovinia?).

(1.) The Galindae.--These are carried too far east, i.e. if we are right in identifying
them with the Galinditae of the Galandia and Golenz of the middle ages, who are
East Prussians on the Spirding Lake.
(2.) The Sudeni.--These, again, seem to be the Sudo-vitae (the termination is non-
radical in several Prussian names) conterminous with the Galinditae, but to the
north-east of them. Their district is called Sudovia.
(3.) The Stavani-Concerning these, we have the startling statement, that they extend
as far as the Alauni (μέχρι τῶν Ἀλαύνων). Is not Ἄλαυνοι an erroneous name
developed out of some form of Γαλίν-δαι̣ The extension of either the Stavani to
Caucasus, or of the Alani to Prussia, is out of the question.
(4.) The Igylliones.--Zeuss has allowed himself (s. v. Jazwingi) to hold that the true
form of this word is Ἰτυγγιώνεσ, and to identify this with a name that appears in
so many forms as to make almost any conjecture excusable,--Jazwingi, Jacwingi,
Jaczwingi, Jecwesin, Getuinzitae, Getwezitae, Jentuisiones, Jentuosi, Jacintiones,
Jatwjazi, Jatwjezi, or Getwesia, and Gotwezia, all actual forms. The area of the
population, which was one of the most powerful branches of the Lithuanian stock
in the 13th century, was part of Grodno, Minsk, and Volhynia, a locality that
certainly suits the Igylliones.
(5.) The Costoboci in Podolia.
(6.) The Transmontani.--This is a name from the Latin of the Dacians,--perhaps,
however, a translation of the common Slavonic Za-volovskaje, i. e. over-the-
watershed. It was applied, perhaps, to the population on the northern frontier of
Dacia in general.

The third list, beginning also with the Venedi, follows the line of the Baltic from Vilna
and Courland towards Finland, and then strikes inland, eastwards and southwards.
Immediately on the Venedic gulf lie the

(1.) Veltae (Οὔελται). Word for word, this is the Vylte and Wilzi of the middle ages; a
form which appears as early as Alfred. It was German, i. e. applied by the Franks
to certain Slavonic population. It was also native, its plural being Weletabi. Few
nations stand out more prominently than these Wilts of the Carlovingian period.
They lie, however, to the west of Prussia, and indeed of Pomerania, from which
the Oder divided them. In short, they were in Mecklenburg, rather than in Livonia
or Esthonia, like the Veltae of Tacitus. Word for word, however, the names are
the same. The synonym for these western Wiltae or Welatabi was Liut-ici
(Luticzi). This we know from special evidence. A probable synonym for the Veltae
of Tacitus was also some form of Lit-. This we infer from their locality being part
of the present Lith-uania and Lett-land. Add to this that one writer at least (Adam
of Bremen) places Wilzi in the country of Ptolemy's Veltae. The exact explanation
of this double appearance of a pair of names is unknown. It is safe, however, to
place the Veltae in Lett-land, i. e. in the southern parts of Livonia, and probably in
parts of Lithuania Proper and Courland. Constantine Porphyrogeneta mentions
them as Veltini. North of the Veltae--

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(2.) The Osii (Ossii), probably in the isle of Oesel. It should be added, however, the
root ves-, wes-, appears frequently in the geography of Prussia. Osilii, as a name
for the occupants of Oesel, appears early in mediaeval history.
(3.) The Carbones, north of the Osii. This is a name of many explanations. It may be
the Finn word for forest == Carbo. It may be the root Cur-(or K-r), which appears
in a great number of Finn words,--Coralli (Karelian), Cur-(in Cur-land), Kur-(in
Kur-sk), &c. The forms Curones and Curonia (Courland) approach it, but the
locality is south instead of north. It more probably==Kar-elia. It almost certainly
shows that we have passed from the country of the Slavonians and Lithuanians to
that of the Esthonians, Ingrians, and Finlanders. Then, to the east,--
(4.) The Kar-eotae.--Here the Kar-is the common Finn root as before. Any part of the
government of Novogorod or Olonetz might have supplied the name, the present
Finns of both belonging to the Karelian division of the name (the--el-being non-
radical). Then--(5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, &c.) The Sali, south of whom the Agathyrsi,
then the Aorsi and Pagyritae, south of whom the Savari, and Borusci as far as the
Rhipaean mountains. Then the Akibi and Naski, south of whom the Vibiones and
Idrae, and south of the Vibiones, as far as the Alauni, the Sturni. Between the
Alauni and Hamaxobii the Karyones and Sargatii. At the bend of the Tanais the
Ophlones and Tanaitae.

There are few points in this list which are fixed. The bend of the Tanais (==Don) would
place the Ophlones in Ekaterinoslav.

The Borusci, if they reached the Rhipaean mountains, and if these were the Uralian
rather than the Valdai range, must have extended far beyond both European and Asiatic
Sarmatia. The Savari bear a name very like one in Nestor--the Sjevera, on the Desna,
Sem, and Sula,--a word that may merely mean northern. It is a name that reappears in
Caucasus--Sabeiri.

The Aorsi may be the Ersad (the d is infexional), a branch of the Mordvins, occupant at
the present time of a tract on the Oka. The Pa-gyritae may have been the tribes on (po
=on) the Gerrhus, such compounds being common in Slavonic, e. g. Po-labi (on the Elbe),
Po-morania (on the sea), &c. The whole geography, however, is indefinite and un-
certain. [p. 2.917]

For Agathyrsi, see HUNNI The Sargatii are mentioned in Ptolemy.

South of the Tanaitae came the Osuli (? Sol-iczi of Nestor), reaching as far as the
Roxolani, i. e. occupying parts of Cherson and Ekaterinoslav.

Between the Roxolani and Hamaxobii the Rhakalani and Exobugitae. The statement of
Pliny that the Hamaxobii were Aorsi, combined with similarity of name between Aorsi
and Ersad, will not help us here. The Ersad are in the governments of Penza and Tamlov;
the direction of the Hamaxobii is more westward. Rhakalani seems but another form of
Roxolani. In Exo-bug-itae the middle syllable may give us the root Bug, the modern name
of the Hypanis. It has been surmised that this is the case with Sa-bok-ae, and Costo-boc-i.
The locality would suit.

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Between the Peucini and Basternae (this difference between two nations otherwise
identified creates a complication) lie the Carpiani, above whom the Gevini and Budini.

The Carpi must have been near or on the Carpathian Mountains. They appear as a
substantive nation in the later history of Rome, in alliance with the Sarmatae, &c. of the
Dacian frontier. We have a Victoria Carpica Arpi; Carpiani and Καρποδάκαι (which Zeuss
renders Carpathian Dacians) are several forms of this name CARPI. They, along with the
Costoboci, Armadoci, and Astingi, appear as the most important frontagers of Northern
Dacia.

Between the Basternae and Roxolani the Chuni, and under their own mountains (ὑπὸ τὰ
ἴδια ὄρη) the Amadoci and Navari, and along the lake (marsh) of Byke the Torekkadae,
and along the Achillaean Course (Ἀχιλλέωσ δρόμον) the Tauroscythae, and south of the
Bastarnae in the direction of Dacia the Tagri, and south of them the Tyrangetae.

For Tauroscythae and Tyrangetae, see s. vv. and SCYTHIA

Tagri looks like a modified form of Zagora (tramontane), a common Slavonic

geographical name, applicable to many localities.

The Amadoci occupied ἰδία ὄρη, or the Mons Amadocus of Ptolemy. There was also a
λίμνη Ἀμαδόκη. This juxta-position of a mountain and lake (pool, or swamp, or fen)
should fix their locality more closely than it does. Their history connects them with the
Costoboci. (Zeuss, s. vv. Costoboci, Amadoci.) The physical conditions, however, come
out less clearly than our present topographical knowledge of Podolia, Minsk, &c.
explains. For the Navari see NEURI.

The name Chuni is important. [See HUNNI]

In Torek-kad-ae and Exo-bug-itae we have two elements of an apparent compound that

frequently occurs in Scytho-Sarmatian geography--Tyn-get-ae, &c., Costo-bok-i, Sa-boc-i.
The geography is quite compatible in the presence of these elements.

RIVERS.-From the Vistula eastwards, the Chronus, the Rhubon, the Turuntus, the
Chersinos,--the order of the modern names being the Pregel, Memel, Duna, Aa, and Neva.
For the drainage of the Black Sea, see SCYTHIA

MOUNTAINS.-Peuce, the Montes Amadoci, the Mons Budinus, the Mons Alaunus, the
Mons Carpathus, the Venedic mountains, the Rhipaean mountains. None of these are
definitely identified. It is difficult to say how Ptolemy named the most important range
of so flat a tract as Russia, viz., the Valdai Mountains. On the other hand, the names of his
text imply more mountains than really exist. All his mountains were, probably, spurs of
the Carpathians, just as in Sarmiatia Asiatica they were of Caucasus.

TOWNS.-See SCYTHIA

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II. SARMATIA ASIATICA.

The boundaries are--the Tanais, from its sources to its mouth, European Sarmatia from
the sources of the Tanais northwards, the Maeotis and Cimmerian Bosporus, the Euxine
as far as the river Corax, the range of Caucasus, the Caspian as far as the river Soana, the
Volga as far as its bend (Scythia being on the east of that river),--and on the north an
Unknown Land. Without knowing the point at which this terra incognita begins, it is
impossible to give the northern limits of Sarmatia Asiatica. It is included, however, in the
governments of Caucasus, Circassia, Astrakhan, Don, Kosaks, Saratov, Simbirsk, Kazan,
Viatka, Kostroma, Vladimir (?), Nizhni Novogorod, Riazan (?), Tambov, and Penza; all the
governments, in short, on the water system of the Volga; a view which makes the
watershed between the rivers that empty themselves into the White Sea and the rivers
that fall into the Caspian and Euxine a convenient provisional boundary.

For the obscure geography of Asiatic Sarmatia, the bend of the Tanais is our best starting
point. To the north of it dwelt the Perierbidi, a great nation; to the south the Iaxamatae,
the former in Don Kosaks, Voronezh, and Tambov, Saratov, the latter in Astrakhan.
North of the Perierbidi come the Asaei, the Suardeni, the Zacatae, the Hippophagi
Sarmatae, the Modocae, the Royal Sarmatians, the Hyperborean Sarmatians, the
Unknown Land. In Kazan and Simbirsk we may place the Chaenides, and on the east of
the Volga the Phtheirophagi and Materi. The Νγςιῶτισ χώρα must be at the mouth of the
Volga. If so, the order in which the names have been given is from north to south, and
the Phtheirophagi are in Eastern Kazan, the Materi in Saratov.

The remaining populations are all (or nearly all) in the governments of Caucasus and
Circassia, in the northern spurs of the Caucasian range. They are the Siraceni, the Psessii,
the Thymeotae, the Turambae, the Asturicani, the Arichi, the Zicchi, the Conapoeni, the
Meteibi, the Agoritae, the Melanchlaeni, the Sapothraeni, the Scymnitae, the Amazones,
the Sunani, the Sacani, the Orinaei, the Vali, the Servi, the Tusci, the Diduri, the Vodae,

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the Olondae, the Isondae, the Gerrhi. The Achaei, Kerketi, Heniochi, Suanocolchi, and
Sanaraei are truly Caucasian, and belong to the geography of the mountain range rather
than the Sarmatian plains and steppes--for such they are in physical geography, and
such was the view of Strabo, so far as he noticed Sarmatia at all.

It is difficult to determine the source of Ptolemy's information, difficult to say in what

language we are to seek for the meaning of his names. The real populations, as they
actually existed, were not very different from those of the Herodotean Scythia; yet the
Herodotean names are wanting. These were, probably, Scythian,--the northern
populations to which they applied being Ugrian. Are the names native? For the parts due
north of Caucasus they may be so; indeed it is possible that the greater number of them
may be due to a Caucasian source. At the present time, when we are fairly supplied with
[p. 2.918]data both as to the names by which the populations of the parts in question
designate themselves, as well as those by which they are designated by their neighbours,
there are no satisfactory identifications at all. There are some that we may arrive at by a
certain amount of assumption; but it is doubtful whether this is legitimate. In the names,
for instance, beginning with sa-(Sa-boci, &c.) we may see the Slavonic for trans; in those
with po-the Slavonic ad,--both of which are common. in the geographical terminology of
the Russians, &c. But these are uncertain, as are the generality of the other coincidences.
In Siberia, for instance, a Samoyed tribe is named Motor-zi: name for name, this may be
Materi; whether, however, it denote the same population is another question.

Are the Sarmatiae of Ptolemy natural divisions? Subject to an hypothesis, which will be
just stated in the present article, but which will be exhibited in full in SCYTHIA, the
Sarmatiae of Ptolemy are objectionable, both for what it contains and what it omits. The
whole of Asiatic Sarmatia is, more or less, arbitrary. It seems to be a development of the
area of the Herodotean Sauromatae. In the north it comprised Finn or Ugrian, in the
south Circassian and Georgian, populations. The Alauni were Scythian, as were several
other tribes. It is therefore no ethnological term. Neither are its boundaries natural, if we
look at the physical conditions of the country. It was defined upon varying and different
principles,--sometimes with a view to physical, sometimes to ethnological, sometimes to
political geography. It contains more than a natural Sarmatia.

On the other hand, the Vistula was no ethnological line of demarcation. The western half
of Poland was Sarmatian, in respect to its climate, surface, and the manners of its
inhabitants. The Lygii, however, having been made part of Germania, remained so in the
eyes of Ptolemy. That the populations on each side of the Lower Vistula, i. e. of West and
East Prussia, were the same, is certain; it is certain, at least, that they were so at the
beginning of the historical period, and all inference leads us to hold that they were so
before. The Vistula, however, like the Rhine, was a good natural boundary.

The Jazyges Metanastae were most probably Sarmatian also. Pliny calls them Jazyges
Sarmatae (4.25); the name Metanastae being generally interpreted removed. It is,
however, quite as likely to be some native adjunct misunderstood, and adapted to the
Greek language.

The other Jazyges (i. e. of the Maeotis) suggested the doctrine of a migration. Yet, if the
current interpretation be right, there might be any amount of Jazyges in any part of
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language:--“a po Ocje rjeje, gde wteczet‘ w Wolgu, jazyk swoj Muroma, i Czeremisi swoj
jazyk, e Mordwa swoj jazyk;” --translated, “On the Oka river, where it falls into the Volga,
a particular people, the Muroma, and the Tsheremis, a peculiar people, and the
Mordwins, a peculiar people.” (Zeuss, s. v. Ostfinnen). Hence it has at least a Slavonic
gloss. On the other hand, it has a meaning in the Magyar language, where Jassag ==
bowman, a fact which has induced many scholars to believe that there were Magyars in
Hungary before the great Magyar invasion, indeed before the Hun. Be this as it may, the
district of the Jazyges Metanastae is called the Jassag district at the present moment.
More than one of the Dacian populations were Sarmatian,--the difference between Dacia,
the name of the Roman Province, and Sarmatia, the country of an independent and
hostile population, being merely political. Indeed, if we look to the distribution of the
Sarmatae, their south-eastern limit must have the parts about Tormi. Here, however,
they were intrusive.

ETHNOLOGY.--The doctrine upon this point is merely stated in the present notice. It is
developed in the article on SCYTHIA It is to the effect that, in its proper application,
Sarmatian meant one, many, or all of the north-eastern members of the Slavonic family,
probably, with some members of the Lithuanic, included.

HISTORY.--The early Sarmatian history is Scythian as well SCYTHIA, and it is not until
Pannonia becomes a Roman province that the Sarmatian tribes become prominent in
history, and, even then, the distribution of the several wars and alliances between the
several nations who came under the general denomination is obscure. In doing this
there is much that in a notice like the present may be eliminated. The relations of the
Greeks and earlier Romans with Sarmatia were with Scythia and the Getae as well, the
relations of the latter being with the provincials of Pannonia, with the Marcomanni, and
Quadi, &c. Both are neighbours to a tribe of Jazyges.

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The great Mithridatic Empire, or, at any rate, the Mithridatic Confederacy, contained
Sarmatians eo nomine, descendants of the Herodotean Sauromatae. Members of this
division it must have been whom the Marcus, the brother of Lucius Lucullus, chastised
and drove beyond the Danube, in his march through Moesia. Those, too, it was with
whom the Cis-Danubian nations in general were oftenest in contact,--Jazyges, Roxolani,
Costoboci, &c., who though (almost certainly) Sarmatian in their ethnological affinities,
are not, eo nomine, Sarmatian, but, on the contrary, populations with more or less of an
independent history of their own. Thirdly, the Sarmatians, who, in conjunction with
Getae, Daci, Moesians, Thracians, &c., may have been found in the districts south of the
Danube, must be looked upon as intrusive and foreign to the soil on which they are
found.

On the other hand, it must be remembered that the Sarmatae eo nomine fall into two
divisions, divided from each other by the whole extent of the Roman province of Dacia,
the area of those of the east being the parts between the Danube and the Don, the area of
those of the west being the parts between the Danube and Theiss. The relations of the
former are with the Scythians, Roxolani, the kings of Pontus, &c., over whom, some years
later, M. Crassus triumphed. His actions, however, as well as those of M. Lucullus, so far
as they were against the Sarmatae, were only accidental details in the campaigns by
which Moesia was reduced. The whole of the Trans-Danubian frontier of Moesia, east of
Viminiacum, was formed by Dacia.

The point at which the Romans and Sarmatians would more especially come in contact
was the country about Sirmium, where the three provinces of Pannonia, Illyricum, and
Moesia joined, and where the pre-eminently Sarmatian districts of the nations between
the Danube and Theiss lay northwards--pre-eminently Sarmatian as opposed to the
Dacians, [p. 2.919]on one side, and the Quadi, &c., of the Regnum Vannianum, on the
other. In the general Pannonian and Dalmatian outbreak of A.D. 6, the Sarmatians of

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these parts took a share (Vell. 2.110), as they, doubtlessly, did in the immediately
previous war of the Marcomanni, under Maroboduus; the Marcomanni, Quadi, Jazyges,
and western Daci, and Sarmatae being generally united, and, to all appearances, the
members of a definite confederacy.

The Regnum Vannianum gives us the continuation of the history of these populations
(A.D. 19-50). It is broken up; Vannius (? the Ban) himself displaced, and Vangio and Sido,
strongly in the interest of Rome, made kings of the parts between the Marus and Cusus
(Moravia) instead. To the Vannian confederacy (a Ban-at) the Sarmatae and Jazyges
supply the cavalry, the occupants of the Banat itself the infantry (Tac. Annal. 12.29).

For A.D. 35, we find an interesting notice in Tacitus, which gives definitude to the
Sarmatia Asiatica of Ptolemy. It is to the effect that, in a war with Parthia, Pharasmanes
entered into an alliance with the Albanians of the coast of the Caspian and the Sarmatae
Sceptuchi (? Βαςίλειοι). (Tac. Ann. 6.33.）

A.D. 69. Two pregnant sentences tell us the state of the Sarmatian frontier at the
accession of Galba: “Coortae in nos Sarmatarum ac Suevorum gentes; nobilitatus
cladibus mutuis Dacus” (Hist. 1.2). The Suevi (who here mean the Quadi and
Marcomanni) and Sarmatae (foot and horse) are united. Dacia is paving the way to its
final subjection. The Jazyges seem to fall off from the alliance; inasmuch as they offer
their services to Rome, which are refused. The colleague of Sido is now Italicus, equally
faithful to Rome. (Hist. 3.5.) In the following year it is Sarmatae and Daci who act
together, threatening the fortresses of Moesia and Pannonia (4.54).

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An invasion of Moesia by the Roxolani took place A.D. 69. This is a detail in the history of
the Eastern branch.

The conquest of Dacia now draws near. When this has taken place, the character of the
Sarmatian area becomes peculiar. It consists of an independent strip of land between the
Roman Province and Quado-Marcomannic kingdom (Banat); its political relations
fluctuating. When Tacitus wrote the Germania, the Gothini paid tribute to both the Quadi
and Sarmatae; a fact which gives us a political difference between the two, and also a
line of separation. The text of Tacitus is ambiguous: “Partem tributorum Sarmatae,
partem Quadi, ut alienigenis imponunt” (Germ. 43). Were the Sarmatae and Quadi, or the
Quadi alone, of a different family from that of the Gothini? This is doubtful. The
difference itself, however, is important.

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There were Sarmatians amongst the subjects as well as the allies of Decebalus; their
share in the Dacian War (A.D. 106) being details of that event. They were left, however,
in possession of a large portion of their country, i. e. the parts between the Vallum
Romanum and the frontier of the Suevi, Quadi, or occupants of Regnum Vannianum; the
relations of this to the Roman and non-Roman areas in its neighbourhood being
analogous to that of the Decumates Agri, between the Rhine and Upper Danube.

In the Marcomannic War (under M. Antoninus) the Sarmatae are as prominent as any
members of the confederacy; indeed it is probable that some of the Marcomanni may
have been Sarmatae, under another name. This is not only compatible with the
undoubtedly German origin of the name Marcomanni (Marchmen), but is a probable
interpretation of it. German as was the term, it might be, and very likely was, applied to a
non-German population. There were two Marches: one held by Germans for Rome and
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would be a March, the other an Ukraine. In the eyes of the Germans, however, the men of
the latter would just as much be Marchmen as themselves. What the Germans in the
Roman service called a neighbouring population the Romans would call it also. We shall
soon hear of certain Borderers, Marchmen, or men of the Ukraine, under the name of
Limigantes (a semi-barbarous form from Limes); but they will not be, on the strength of
their Latin names, Latins. The Solitudines Sarmatarum of the Roman maps was more or
less of a Sarmatian March. The Jazyges and Quadi are (as usual) important members of
the confederacy.

A.D. 270. Aurelian resigns the province of Dacia to the Barbarians; a fact which
withdraws the scene of many a Sarmatian inroad from the field of observations,--the
attacks of the Barbarians upon each other being unrecorded. Both before and after this
event, however, Sarmatian inroads along the whole line of the Danube, were frequent.
Sarmatians, too, as well as Daci (Getae) were comprehended under the general name of
Goth in the reigns of Decius, Claudius, &c. Add to this that the name of Vandal is now
becoming conspicuous, and that under the name of Vandal history we have a great deal
that is Sarmatian.

The most important effect of the cession of Dacia was to do away with the great block of
Roman, Romanising, or Romanised territory which lay between the Sarmatians of
Pannonia and the Sarmatians of Scythia. It brought the latter within the range of the
former, both being, then, the frontagers of Moesia. Add to this the fact of a great change
in the nomenclature being effected. The German portion of the Marcomanni (Thervings
and Grutungs) has occupied parts of Dacia. The members of this section of the German
name would only know the Sarmatae as Vandals. Again, the Hun power is developing
itself; so that great material, as well as nominal, changes are in the process of
development. Finally, when the point from which the Sarmatae come to be viewed has
become Greek and Constantinopolitan, rather than Latin and Roman, the names Slaveni
and Servi will take prominence. However, there is a great slaughter of the Sarmatians by
Carus, on his way eastwards. Then there is the war, under Constantine, of the Sarmatae

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of the Border,--the Sarmatae Limigantes,--a Servile War. The authors who tell us of this
are the writers of the Historia Augusta and Ammianus; after whose time the name is
either rarely mentioned, or, if mentioned, mentioned on the authority of older writers.
The history is specific to certain divisions of the Sarmatian population. This was, in its
several divisions, hostile to Rome, and independent; still, there were Sarmatian
conquests, and colonies effected by the transplantation of Sarmatae. One lay so far east
as Gaul. “Arvaque Sauromatum nuper metata coloni” (Auson, Mosella) [p. 2.920] applies
to one of these. There were more of them. The general rule, however, is, that some
particular division of the name takes historical prominence, and that the general name
of Sarmatia, as well as the particular Sarmatae of the parts between Dacia and Pannonia,
and those between Scythia and Persia, disappears.

Source:
 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0064:entry=sarmatia-geo
 Maps from - Claudii Ptolomaei Geographia, editio Bernardi Sylvani, Venexia 1511. (Boston Public
Library)
 Images - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons

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Роберт Гордoн Латам - Где су живели Словени?

Robert Gordon Latam – Were the Slavs lived?

Роберт Гордан Латам ( Robert Gordan Latham ): The Natural History of the Varities of
Man , у свом делу пише :

Словени су живели у Макленбургу, Бранденбургу, Укерману, Алтмарку,

Лунебургу, Холштајну и тд. Латам убраја у Словене: Сколоте (Ските), Гете,
Дачане, Трачане, Панонце, првобитне становнике Норика и Далмације,
Кробице, Јазиге, Лимигенте, Кваде, Лиге, Силинге, Бастране, Суардоне, Руге,
Буре, Скире, Туркилинге, Венеде и тд. (Robert Gordan Latham: The Natural
History of the Varities of Man, ст.538) У његовом времену, међу Србе Латам
убраја: Србију, Славонију, Трансилванију, Нова Србија на Дњестру насељена
1754 године, Босанце и Херцеговце, Далматинце, Дубровчане и Црногорце.
(ст.539,540)

Извор и назив дела :

The natural history of the varieties of man (1850)

Author: Latham, R. G. (Robert Gordon), 1812-1888
Subject: Ethnology
Publisher: London : Van Voorst, Printed by S. & J. Bentley and H. Fley)
Year: 1850

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Robert Gordom Latam - The Germania of Tacitus

Назив дела (књиге): „The Germania of Tacitus“

Назив оригиналног дела/књиге (лат.): „De Origine et situ Germanorum“
Аутор: Публиус (или Гаиус) Корнелиус Тацитус[1] (56-117. г. н. ере)
Уредник (припрема и коментари): Роберт Гордон Латам[2] (1812-1888), енглески лингвиста и
етнолог
Издавач: Taylor, Walton and Maberly[3]
Место штампања: Лондон[4] (Уједињено Краљевство Велика Британија и Ирска[5]: 1801-1927)
Година издања: 1851
Језик: енглески
Писмо: латиница

[1] Лат. Publius (или Gaius) Cornelius Tacitus.

[2] Енг. Robert Gordon Latham.
[3] Georg Frederick Maberly (1823-1913).
[4] Енг. London.
[5] Енг. United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

Део текста који је у фокусу (Preface. – стр. v) :

»У једну руку, може изгледати да сам потценио случај, који је може бити написан
од стране оних који су подржавали оно што би могли назвати германском
теоријом у њеној широј форми. Једна од јачих страна њихових тврдњи јесте
претпоставка да следствено етимологији[1] имена као Свеби, Луги[2], итд., имају
германске корене.«

Оригинални текст (енг.): (Preface. – стр. v)

»In one respect I may appear to have understated the case that can be made out by the advocates of what
may be called the German theory in its broadest form. One of the strong arms of their argument is, the
etymological deduction of names like Suevi, Lugii, &c., from supposed German roots.«

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Део текста који је у фокусу (Preface. – стр. vi) :

»Две популације које (према његовом личном приказу[1]), не би биле германске у

очима савремених етнолога, посебно су назначене као такве (са његовог
становишта) – Оси и Ести, а ја бих (са великом вероватноћом) у исту категорију
додао и Луге и неке друге.«

Оригинални текст (енг.): (Preface. – стр. vi)

»Two populations who, according to his own showing, would not be German in the eyes of a modern
ethnologist, are especially stated to have been so in his-vis., the Osi and the Æstii, and I only urge the
probability of the Lygii and others being in the same predicament.« logical deduction of names like Suevi,
Lugii, &c., from supposed German roots.«

Део текста који је у фокусу (Prolegomena. – стр. xxviii) :

»На крају, термин Енглеска је саксонски, док су најстарији географски термини

келтски, а нека од ових оригиналних имена река и планина остала су
непромењена. Супротно овоме је случај са Трансалбиншком[1] Немачком, у којој
имамо случај да што је старије име то је сигурније да је славенско. Толико о обиму
претпостављеног уклањања (сербско-славенских топонима – прим. преводиоца).
То мора да је било највеће и најпотпуније икада забележено у историји.«

Оригинални текст (енг.): (Prolegomena. – стр. xxviii)

»Lastly, Saxon as is England, the oldest geographical terms are Keltic; some of the original names of the
rivers and mountains remaining unchanged. The converse is the case in Transalbingian Germany. The
older the name the more surely is it Slavonic. So much for the extent of the assumed displacement. It must
have been the greatest and the most absolute of any recorded in history.«

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Део текста који је у фокусу (Prolegomena. – стр. li) :

»Супротно многима, мене незадовољавају докази који чине две веома важне речи
оригинално немачким. Мислим, да су обе ове речи биле директно романске и
делимично келтске. Према томе, као приговор против њиховог не-германског
карактера, заснованом на њиховом неспорном усвајању од неспорно германске
популације, скрећем пажњу на чињеницу да је њихово усвајање било првенствено
путем подршке два језика (романског и келтског) уместо само немачког.«

Оригинални текст (енг.): (Prolegomena. – стр. li)

»Contrary to many, I am dissatisfied with the evidence which makes two very important words native and
German – Suabia (Suevi) and Saxon. I think each of these was directly Roman, and remotely Keltic. Hence,
to the objection against their non-Germanic character, founded upon their undoubted adoption by
undoubted German populations, I suggest the fact that their adoption was favoured by the support of two
languages (the Roman and the Keltic) against the German single-handed.«

Део текста који је у фокусу (Note on section XXXIX. – стр. 136) :

»Све док се Тацитови Свеви подударају са Хермундурима и Катима они су

Германи, а изван тога они су Славени. Термин Svebicum mare, који се користи за
део Балтика, се односи на другачије порекло од Свеба=Шваба на југозападу
Немачке.«

Оригинални текст (енг.): (Note on section XXXIX. – стр. 136)

»As far as the Suevi of Tacitus coincide with the Hermunduri and Chatti, they are German. Beyond this
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origin than the Suevia=Suabia of south-western Germany.«

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Johann Gottfried Eichhorn - Serbi i Sarmati

Јохан Готфрид Ајхорн (1752–1827)

немачки оријенталиста и историчар

»Када се Славени формирају као посебан народ, они су вероватно називани

Савромати (можда чак Северни Међани), од којих ће временом настати
(„назив“ – прим. превод.) Сервомати или Сербомати, а ти опет постају Серби и
Сармати. Најстарији име које је користио овај народ у својој историји је
Серби. Рано је („тај народ“ – прим. превод.) подељен на два дела, на Сербе и
Сармате. Некадашњи Серби су рано запосели Пољску, Шлезију, Лужицу и
Мајсен, а други, Сармати били су некада у Дакији, где су сами себе назвали
Јазиги или Седловати (тј. Метанасти, дошљаци) или су то („име“ – прим.
превод.) преузели од својих суседа. Од („имена“ – прим. превод.) Седловати се
накнадно („развија име“ – прим. превод.) Словати, Словани (по Нестору
Словјени) и настају Словени, те на крају искварено Славени.«

Оригинални текст (нем.): (страна 16) »Als sich die Slaven zuerst zu einem besondern Volke
absonderten, hießen sie wahrscheinlich Sawromaten (vielleicht so viel als Nord-Meder), woraus im Lauf
der Zeit Serwomaten, oder Serbomaten, und daraus wieder Serben und Sarmaten geworden ist. Der
älteste Name, mit dem die Nation in der Geschichte auftritt, ist der der Serben. Früh theilte sie sich in zwei
Theile, in Serben und Sarmaten. Die erstern, die Serben, nahmen früh Besitz von Polen, Schlesien, der
Lausitz und Meissen; die zweiten, die Sarmaten, fielen einst in Dacien ein, wo sie den Namen der Jazygen
oder Sedlowaten (d.i. der Metanasten, der Angekommenen, sich Ansiedelnden) entweder sich selbst gaben
oder von ihren Nachbaren erhielten. Aus Sedlowaten ist nachher Slowaten, Slowanien (beim Nestor
Slowjenen) und Slowen geworden; der letzte Name wurde endlich in Slaven verdorben.«

Name of work (book): „Weltgeschichte - Geschichte der neuen Welt“ (Erste Theil) Page: 16
Author: German, Johann Gottfried Eichhorn (1752-1827), orientalist and historian
Publisher: German, Johann Friedrich Römer (17??-18??)

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Place of printing: Göttingen (Königreich Hannover: 1814-1866 / Deutscher Bund: 1815-1866)

Year of edition: 1817
Language: German
Alphabet: Latin script (Gothic alphabet)

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Јакоб Грим - СРБ најславније име за све "јужнословене"

Jakob Grimm – The SRB, most glorious name for South Slavs
Познати немачки филолог, оснивалац модерне германистике, Јакоб Грим, писао у
првој четврти прошлог века (у својој књизи ,, Мала сербска граматика Вука
Стефановића Караџића “ (Jakob Grimm, Wuk’s Stefanowitsch Kleine Grammatik,
verdeutscht und mit einer Vorrede von J. G. 1824. тране XXIII ,XXV ) , текст у фокусу :

(срб.)
«У ствари Србин изгледа најбољи назив којим се могу граматички обухватити сви
ови народи (мисли на Јужне Словене) истог порекла и језика. Срб је сам за себе
тамног порекла (као и највећи део старих назива народа), али је чисто словенска
реч, коју је Добровски држао погодном да постане општа ознака свих словенских
племена. Њу срећемо и у западној грани (словенских народа) као и у јужној
(Словени који живе у Лужици зову се такође Сорби).
...Према томе, мени изгледа да нема славнијег имена које би се могло употребити
за све Југословене. Ниједно друго југословенско племе нема такву историју која би
се могла упоредити са сербском ...».

(гер.)
« In der That aber scheint Serbe die beste Benennung , mit der man alle diese Völker
einer Abfunft und Sprache grammatisch umfassen fönnte.Serbe , Srb *) , an sich dunfler
Bedeurung ( gleich den meisten alten Volfsnamen ) ist ein echtslavisches Vort , welches
Dobrowski sogar für geeignet bielt ,die allgemeine Bezeichnung aller slavischen Stämme
zu werden **) Auch trifft es eben sowohl unter dem westlichen Zweige , als unter den
sudlichen . Die in der Lausisz wohnenden Slaven beizen gleichfalls Sorben , man darf nur
nicht darum diese aus den Serben , geschweige die Serben aus den Sorben herleiten.*)
...».

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Наслов : Wuk's Stephanowitsch Kleine serbische Grammatik, Томови 2-4

Wuk's Stephanowitsch kleine serbische Grammatik, Vuk Stefanović Karadžić
Аутори : Vuk Stefanović Karadžić, Johann Severin Vater
Превео/ла : Jacob Grimm
Издавач : G. Reimer, 1824
Оригинал из : Универзитет Оксфорд
Дужина : 104 страница

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