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dughall 19:58
#tmne10 During the break, why not take a look at the #ukedchat hashtag...
#ukedchat Degrees for self motivated learners? Set out goals, offer brief
PatParslow 19:59
tuition in good ways to learn, assess when ready. Low cost.
RT @dughall: If you've never contributed to a #ukedchat discussion before,
islayian 19:59 why not break your duck this evening. Say what you think and add the
hashtag.
OhLottie 20:00 @dughall A broad topic! #ukedchat
dughall 20:00 So, do you do anything that you consider *different*? #ukedchat
Welcome to tonight's #ukedchat Our topic is 'Doing it differently' Don't forget
dughall 20:00
the hashtag!
@dughall anything from your norm of teaching e.g. i feel if you teach using the
VGoodyear 20:01
same pedagogy and then change #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:01
One special school I work with does ALL their assessment via video #UKEdChat
Withhold explicit learning aims and allow Ls to really experience the
esoldaveglasgow 20:01
activity...afterwards, they understand. #ukedchat
RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat Lets start with not having Lesson objectives or
dughall 20:01
WALT/WILF or sucess criteria
RT @CreativeEdu: My #UKEdChat Guide for any newbies (welcome!)
dughall 20:01
http://ow.ly/3mJ8U
#ukedchat Lets start with not having Lesson objectives or WALT/WILF or
Ideas_Factory 20:01
sucess criteria
dughall 20:01 @OhLottie Deliberately broad :-) #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:01
My #UKEdChat Guide for any newbies (welcome!) http://ow.ly/3mJ8U
I introduced philosophy for children in my class last year & found this to be
sellyeve 20:02
very effective #ukedchat
@dughall I have no problems with not using objectives as lesson starters.
kvnmcl 20:02
Never hurt kids I taught in the past, doesn't now #ukedchat

creativityassoc 20:02 RT @cybraryman1: Thursday Chats #onecom #innochat #SAchat #elemchat


#artsed #mathchat #lrnchat #ukedchat http://bit.ly/amR5R2
RT @CreativeEdu: One special school I work with does ALL their assessment
dughall 20:02
via video #UKEdChat

dughall 20:02 RT @esoldaveglasgow: Withhold explicit learning aims and allow Ls to really
experience the activity..afterwards, they understand. #ukedchat
dughall 20:02 @Ideas_Factory What? No objectives? Really? ;-) #ukedchat
RT @sellyeve: I introduced philosophy for children in my class last year &
dughall 20:03
found this to be very effective #ukedchat
So how easy is it to do it differently? Would you in an observation? OFSTED?
dughall 20:03
#ukedchat
@dughall @Ideas_Factory do you mean getting students to discover/ create
VGoodyear 20:03
the objectives #ukedchat

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That would be like the Montessori style of learning wouldn't it? more
Creativeedu 20:03
exploratory? #UKEdChat
Lots of teachers have said that when trying to be 'outstanding' they were
Creativeedu 20:04
reluctant to try new things (in obs etc) #UKEdChat
dughall 20:04 @islayian #ukedchat #edchatuk
@dughall this year I'm hoping to build on this enquiry based approach by using
sellyeve 20:04
pbl #ukedchat
@dughall yes but in honesty if I had practised something similar with another
VGoodyear 20:04
class #ukedchat
@colport Did the same with my own class, they enjoyed it. They took
kvnmcl 20:04
ownership of the learning, not me #ukedchat
I like @timrylands idea of 'LO and behold' Get kids to guess the objectives at
dughall 20:04
the end of lesson. #ukedchat
#ukedchat LOs same with success criteria - students should be able/ allowed to
sophielearns 20:04
work out for themselves
@Ideas_Factory I took @timrylands ideas of sharing objective at end of lesson,
colport 20:04
with pupils guessing what the objective was. #ukedchat
RT @kvnmcl: @dughall Doing things differently only requires confidence in
dughall 20:05
your ability as a teacher #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:05
#ukedchat No not 'timrylands idea-just no lesson obs at all-who are they for?
dughall 20:05 So, doing it differently requires risk. #ukedchat
@colport @Ideas_Factory @timrylands I've done that too. Or got chn to guess
OhLottie 20:05
the new topic/unit/project etc. Forgot #ukedchat tag!
@dughall Doing things differently only requires confidence in your ability as a
kvnmcl 20:05
teacher #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:05 I had a history teacher at school who made us all stand up, the WHOLE time.
Only way he could keep us awake! I got an A... #UKEdChat

VGoodyear 20:05 @dughall @timrylands or they create & compare to yours at the end then you
judge your aspirations of their learning during lesson #ukedchat

benosteen 20:05 QT @PatParslow: "#ukedchat Degrees for self motivated learners" given
access to Libraries though. unis could pimp lib membership as low cost
colport 20:05
@kvnmcl It does work, and the anticipation is great among pupils #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu I think best way to be outstanding is trying something new or
narthernlad 20:05
different #UKEdChat

dughall 20:05 RT @CreativeEdu: Lots of teachers have said tht when trying to be
'outstanding' they were reluctant to try new things (in obs etc) #UKEdChat
headteacher01 20:05 learning as a magical mystery tour? #ukedchat
5 mins in and already encouraged by innovation and creativity coming to light
theokk 20:06
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:06 RT @dughall: So, doing it differently requires risk. #ukedchat

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#UKEdChat re doing it differently - I want children to choose level of work
jackieschneider 20:06
rather than being shoved into top, middle & bottom groups!
@narthernlad I agree but that's tough when you're being observed and you
Creativeedu 20:06
have a bag full of well worn tricks! #UKEdChat
RT @dughall: RT @kvnmcl: @dughall Doing things differently only requires
DahlD 20:06
confidence in your ability as a teacher #ukedchat

sophielearns 20:06 #ukedchat Official observations: 'outstanding' teachers doing tick box lessons
that they know cover criteria - need risk taking for progress
RT @teachesict: Do senior management support teachers who try something
dughall 20:07
new or frown upon it? #ukedchat
Any interest in a #mrthornedoesphonics Scheme of Work? Please RT
Mr_Thorne 20:07
#ukedchat
RT @theokk: 5 mins in and already encouraged by innovation and creativity
dughall 20:07
coming to light #ukedchat
RT @dughall: RT @kvnmcl: @dughall Doing things differently only requires
musikmarc 20:07
confidence in your ability as a teacher #ukedchat

sophielearns 20:07 #ukedchat And risk taking requires a lot of work re teachers feeling safe to
experiment -mindsets for teachers as important as for students
@saraloisstanley we are! This year all staff will be trained in P4C techniques!
sellyeve 20:07
#ukedchat
RT @islayian: #edchatuk to see what have been doing differently have a look
islayian 20:07
at this prezi http://bit.ly/gpb7xC ..opps #ukedchat
I think 'doing things differently' is never getting too stuck in your ways +
OhLottie 20:07
always being open to new ideas. #ukedchat
@dughall I deliberately don't do anything differently for lesson obs than
mr_chadwick 20:07
normal, as I believe what I do is best for chld #ukedchat
VGoodyear 20:07 @dughall agreed would it be different without any risk #ukedchat
@Ideas_Factory do you mean the teacher has no learning objective? Really?
colport 20:07
#ukedchat

VGoodyear 20:08 I ?? how long you (as a teacher persist) with doing something differently even
if the +ve effects arent evident straight away #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:08 What is P4C please? #UKEdChat
RT @islayian: RT @islayian: to see what have been doing differently have a
dughall 20:08
look at this prezi http://bit.ly/gpb7xC ..opps #ukedchat
#ukedchat Me & SMT did 2 lessons obs by 5 tchrs-1 was by the nos & the other
Ideas_Factory 20:08
was creative,no LO just supplied provocation-Different?
Part of me thinks by being on Twitter + collaborating + sharing like we are now
OhLottie 20:08
is doing things differently! #ukedchat
@mr_chadwick I really don't like colleagues who put on a show for obs. It
colport 20:08
should be real #ukedchat
RT @VGoodyear: @dughall @timrylands or they create & compare to yours at
sophielearns 20:08 the end then you judge your aspirations of their learning during lesson
#ukedchat

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Creativeedu 20:08
More discussion re good vs outstanding here: http://ow.ly/3mJpS #UKEdChat
RT @OhLottie: I think 'doing things differently' is never getting too stuck in
dughall 20:08
your ways + always being open to new ideas. #ukedchat
@colport #ukedchat @timrylands has interesting ideas abt the necessity of
ejasprey 20:09
learning objectives/not @Ideas_Factory
Is #ukedchat about doing thingss different or lesson obs this evening? I'm on
daviderogers 20:09
the train back from a parents evening
VGoodyear 20:09
@OhLottie I agree I wonder if this will become the norm however #ukedchat
RT @CreativeEdu: Doing things differently. Get the PUPILS to do lessons obs...
dughall 20:09
#UKEdChat
Creativeedu 20:09
Doing things differently. Get the PUPILS to do lessons obs... #UKEdChat
dughall 20:09 @CreativeEdu Philosophy for children. #UKEdChat
RT @colport: @mr_chadwick I really don't like colleagues who put on a show
daviderogers 20:09
for obs. It should be real #ukedchat
RT @Mr_Thorne: Any interest in a #mrthornedoesphonics Scheme of Work?
PCampbell91 20:09
Please RT #ukedchat
RT @kvnmcl: Doing things differently only requires confidence in your ability
islayian 20:09
as a teacher #ukedchat .. Not think thats been removed?
RT @ohlottie: Part of me thinks by being on Twitter + collaborating + sharing
Creativeedu 20:09
like we are now is doing things differently! #ukedchat
headteacher01 20:10
#ukedchat having the time to reflect on the learning at the end of the day

daviderogers 20:10 @islayian @kvnmcl You also need to support of your line management, pupils
and parents. I don;t think that we are a 1 person band? #ukedchat
RT @daviderogers: RT @colport: @mr_chadwick I really don't like colleagues
ChrisFullerisms 20:10
who put on a show for obs. It should be real #ukedchat
@Creativeedu you need to explore p4c - it's very powerful. Will provide links if
colport 20:10
you need later #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:10 @colport #ukedchat Yes-Lesson was a step in a longer journey towards the
main goal-but no objectives-had broad aims to cover-that's it
sellyeve 20:11
@saraloisstanley it builds a community of enquiry in every sense #ukedchat
@dughall @CreativeEdu Ta! and you'll be pleased to know that I haven;t left
daviderogers 20:11
my laptop open and alone.... #ukedchat
Introducing a vertical tutoring system is a good way to shake things up, has
Creativeedu 20:11
worked very well in some schools #UKEdChat
RT @daviderogers: @islayian @kvnmcl You also need to support of your line
dughall 20:11
management, pupils and parents. #ukedchat <-
@Ideas_Factory I do question the need of sharing the objective at the start, as
colport 20:11
can turn off pupils. #ukedchat
@daviderogers @islayian @kvnmcl I agree a supportive environment and
VGoodyear 20:11
network is key to difference/ change #ukedchat

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fairsnape 20:11 #ukedchat doing it differently RT @classofyourown Schools/contractors
missing long term benefits for learning from school const projects
If you want your staff to do things differently, then encourage them just like
daviderogers 20:11
you would pupils? #ukedchat
dughall 20:11 @daviderogers The former #ukedchat
@colport @ideas_factory plus if you achieve the objective too soon they feel
Creativeedu 20:12
they're done? (my recollection of school!) #UKEdChat

philallman1 20:12 RT @CreativeEdu: Introducing a vertical tutoring system, has worked vry well
in sum schools #UKEdChat < totally dependent on qual of tutor

VGoodyear 20:12 @headteacher01 1 of the key challenges for teachers when trying 2 profess
develop see http://pedagogicalchangepe.blogspot.com/ #ukedchat
@Joga5 for sure - but if you go alone, esp in a large sch, you need
daviderogers 20:12
perseverance and a truck load of cohoonas #ukedchat
sellyeve 20:12 @saraloisstanley definitely timetabling issues I think! #ukedchat
@mr_chadwick There is justification for calls for non-notice observations, in
colport 20:12
my opinion! #ukedchat
#ukedchat How about at the start of a topic-don't ask the kids to write down
Ideas_Factory 20:12
from memory what they DON'T know about it.
Do things differently, stop thinking like a teacher, start thinking like a pupil
Creativeedu 20:12
#UKEdChat
@VGoodyear Many might, but I suspect most teachers don't know this
OhLottie 20:12
community of tweechers exists! #ukedchat
RT @daviderogers: @islayian @kvnmcl You also need to support of your line
kvnmcl 20:12 management, pupils and parents. I don;t think that we are a 1 person band?
#ukedchat
@Joga5 you also need to drive change by example - Guerrilla Innovation ;-)
daviderogers 20:13
#ukedchat
RT @colport: @mr_chadwick There is justification for calls for non-notice
mr_chadwick 20:13
observations, in my opinion! #ukedchat < agreed.
@kvnmcl Errr some of us are on Islands .... and covering 2 islands .... removed
islayian 20:13
from authority eyes allowed us to do differently #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:13 RT @Creativeedu: @colport @ideas_factory plus if you achieve the objective
too soon they feel they're done? (my recollection of school!) #UKEdChat
OhLottie 20:13 @CreativeEdu What's a vertical tutoring system? #ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: Do things differently, stop thinking like a teacher, start
fairsnape 20:13
thinking like a pupil #UKEdChat

Ideas_Factory 20:13 @colport #ukedchat Don't get me wrong there's a defo need to tell kids what
they will learn,why and next steps.But NO need for WALT/WILF
RT @dughall: RT @CreativeEdu: Doing things differently. Get the PUPILS to do
thedippyhippy 20:13
lessons obs... #UKEdChat
@OhLottie definitely or reluctant to use which is a shame they are missing out
VGoodyear 20:13
#ukedchat

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RT @CreativeEdu: Do things differently, stop thinking like a teacher, start
dughall 20:13
thinking like a pupil #UKEdChat
RT @colport: @mr_chadwick There is justification for calls for non-notice
daviderogers 20:13
observations, in my opinion! #ukedchat >> for sure
So we've had some examples. If we agree that different = good, how do we
dughall 20:13
move ourselves/others towards that? #ukedchat
#ukedchat - always share what you did differently and support others to
Cgeo28 20:13
develop their personal teaching styles
@dughall do you mean how do you manage the change? Or specifically how
Creativeedu 20:14
do you motivate dinosaurs.... #UKEdChat
OhLottie 20:14
@VGoodyear Yes no doubt there is both. It is a real shame. #ukedchat
@Joga5 Ha ha! We work as a department and attempt to work with the other
daviderogers 20:14
77 teachers ;-) #ukedchat
@saraloisstanley different times allotted for different subjects - cross
sellyeve 20:14
curricular less doable? #ukedchat
RT @daviderogers: @Joga5 you also need to drive change by example -
dughall 20:14
Guerrilla Innovation ;-) #ukedchat

leeandrewdunn 20:14 @Creativeedu Agreed this is becoming more popular everyday - I think most
schools in Scotland now have a vertical pastoral system #UKEdChat
RT @dughall: RT @CreativeEdu: Doing things differently. Get the PUPILS to do
Ideas_Factory 20:14
lessons obs... #UKEdChat
The main way to make change happen in a lrg org is figure out who you need
daviderogers 20:15
to convince (who are blocking) and lay seige :) #ukedchat

DahlD 20:15 RT @colport: @Creativeedu My teaching philosophy is thinking as a parent!


How would I want my own little treasures to be taught? #ukedchat
@Creativeedu My teaching philosophy is thinking as a parent! How would I
colport 20:15
want my own little treasures to be taught? #ukedchat
@islayian True :-D You are! Do you find being removed gives you the freedom
kvnmcl 20:15
to be creative, challenging, confident? #ukedchat
#ukedchat Kids Start Y7 in June-go up with Primary teachers & are mentored
Ideas_Factory 20:15
by Y10 pupils
@CreativeEdu #ukedchat we have vertical tutor, it's great. Y11/12/13 help and
Mallrat_uk 20:15
support Y7/8, great dynamics..
sellyeve 20:15 @dughall holistic is better though isn't it? #ukedchat
If you're going to do things differently, you have to be confident enough to
OhLottie 20:15
take a bit of a risk #ukedchat
leeandrewdunn 20:15 #UKEdChat Do you think teachers make the worst pupils?
a tutor has a mixture of students from a variety of year groups instead of just
Enriquetadifxw 20:16
e.g. year 9 #UKEdChat

dughall 20:16 RT @colport: @Creativeedu My teaching philosophy is thinking as a parent!


How would I want my own little treasures to be taught? #ukedchat
#UKEdChat does anyone know any schools that share staff and resources?
leeandrewdunn 20:16
Kinda like a mega campus sort of approach?

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@ohlottie a tutor has a mixture of students from a variety of year groups
Creativeedu 20:16
instead of just e.g. year 9 #UKEdChat
Bombard them with brilliance, and results / outcomes / something
daviderogers 20:16
measurable. PROVE it works rather than talk #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:16 @Joga5 #Ukedchat In a nutshell-you've won Bully's special prize.......
sellyeve 20:16 #ukedchat
sellyeve 20:16
@Creativeedu My teaching philosophy is thinking as a parent! #ukedchat
That IS different! RT @Ideas_Factory #ukedchat Kids Start Y7 in June-go up
OhLottie 20:16
with Primary teachers & are mentored by Y10 pupils
dughall 20:16
@CreativeEdu Either/both should be discussed tonight I think. #UKEdChat

daviderogers 20:17 @Joga5 Other deopts: 'how'd you get / do / have / that?' Answer - 'cos we
asked and we just did -learning is better because of it' #ukedchat
Doing what's best for your class might mean doing things differently to your
OhLottie 20:17
year group partner, if 2+ form entry #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:17 @leeandrewdunn really, that's interesting. I think it's a fab idea when well
implemented and peer mentoring is v.easily embedded #UKEdChat
RT @daviderogers: @Joga5 We are the mavericks, but like a black hole (or liz
dughall 20:17 from the apprentice) we are drawing them in, making ppl take notice
#ukedchat
What is risk in the classroom? Who is taking a risk- pupils as risk takers?
headteacher01 20:17
#ukedchat
Grade 4 girl helps homeless, visits alcoholic centre, makes video. Inspiring!
yhatweets 20:17
http://bit.ly/eUnYTY #edchat #sschat #sstech #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:17 #UKEdChat joining you late - what is the theme?
@colport Ok if you are a parent. I know my teaching changed when I became a
dughall 20:17
father. #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:17 @Joga5 We are the mavericks, but like a black hole (or liz from the apprentice)
we are drawing them in, making ppl take notice #ukedchat
The learned 'outcome' might be different for all 20 Ls but that is the joy of
esoldaveglasgow 20:17
these adventures. Deeper emotional experienced. #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:18 @headteacher01 #ukedchat How about Teachers as risk takers-we gave
teachers a mystery box & nothing else-they had to invent lesson on spot
@kvnmcl #ukedchat definitely Top down instruction tend to stop the creative
islayian 20:18
part of doing things differently

dughall 20:18 RT @Joga5: @daviderogers As a Deputy I tried to use teachers who might not
be seen as pioneers to come on board first #ukedchat <- YES!

VGoodyear 20:18 diffusion of innovation Rogers 2003: teachers only change if compatible with
their own beliefs the schools & students beliefs #ukedchat

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Creativeedu 20:18 RT @colport: @Creativeedu My teaching philosophy is thinking as a parent!
How would I want my own little treasures to be taught? #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:18 @daviderogers cheers!#UKEdChat
colport 20:18
@dughall Agree. I personally think there can be a major difference #ukedchat
RT @dughall: @colport Ok if you are a parent. I know my teaching changed
daviderogers 20:18
when I became a father. #ukedchat >> for sure!
RT @Joga5: It is that teachers need to make informed decisions not b told
mr_chadwick 20:18
what EVERY lesson should have as template #ukedchat <Exactly!
daviderogers 20:18 @Catriona_O Making change #UKEdChat
RT @teachesict: In my school, SMT are definitely scared to let teachers try and
thedippyhippy 20:18
break new ground. A real shame. #ukedchat
colport 20:19 @CreativeEdu Which is what I try to do. #ukedchat
@thedippyhippy #ukedchat Shame to be a creative innovative school you have
Ideas_Factory 20:19
to foster that in others.
@Joga5 But, that is as a HoD with a great team - may have a diff outlook if I
daviderogers 20:19
were elsewhere - need HUGE energy though #ukedchat
RT @islayian: @kvnmcl #ukedchat definitely Top down instruction tend to stop
4goggas 20:19
the creative part of doing things differently
@Joga5 It's a good method - but if they are soooo resistant to change (and
daviderogers 20:19
ARE the DH / HT ) #ukedchat
making change? #ukedchat? I was really challenged by this
Catriona_O 20:20
http://bit.ly/hOtDTs this week - changing role of educator....
To do things differently does the whole school need to do things differently in
Creativeedu 20:20
the same way? #UKEdChat
Ideas_Factory 20:20 @daviderogers #ukedchat You read my book....
RT @daviderogers: If we want to do things differently - scrap inset days, get off
dughall 20:20
site and be creative #ukedchat <-
If we want to do things differently - scrap inset days, get off site and be
daviderogers 20:20
creative #ukedchat
RT @CreativeEdu: To do things diff does the whole school need to do things
philallman1 20:21
diff ? #UKEdChat <risk taking needs to be encouraged by SLT
kvnmcl 20:21
@dughall Look at us now! Can't get CPD more different than this! #ukedchat

VGoodyear 20:21 teachers need better forms of professional development to learn about new
things to be able to do more innovative teaching #ukedchat
RT @dughall: RT @daviderogers: If we want to do things differently - scrap
flyingstartmag 20:21
inset days, get off site and be creative #ukedchat <-
Do things different - we hold one dept meeting a half term in the pub, one in a
daviderogers 20:21
coffee shop and another doing stuff #ukedchat
RT @jackieschneider: #UKEdChat re doing it differently - I want children to
Hazico_Jo 20:21 choose level of work rather than being shoved into top, middle & bottom
groups!
RT @daviderogers: If we want to do things differently - scrap inset days, get off
colport 20:21
site and be creative #ukedchat <Like it. Will mention

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Taking the lead from @daviderogers last tweet, what about CPD/INSET How
dughall 20:21
do we do that differently? #ukedchat
@Joga5 Just keep swimming, it's the learning that counts, and we are not
daviderogers 20:21
accepting lower standards - mantra (and wine ;-) #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:22 #ukedchat Its called the 3rd space-not work or home-doing work elsewhere.
Our SMT have half termly away days-helps you think better
RT @kvnmcl: @dughall Look at us now! Can't get CPD more different than
Creativeedu 20:22
this! #ukedchat
@Creativeedu #UKEdChat yeh my school even has mixed year groups in form
leeandrewdunn 20:22
class - it builds a good buddy system - a platform to build on!
RT @Joga5: @daviderogers More seriously we turned children into the drivers
daviderogers 20:22
and advocates #ukedchat >> so true
dughall 20:22 RT @daviderogers: @dughall let children lead it :-) #ukedchat
RT @colport: @dughall Share INSET/practice between other local schools &
dughall 20:22
teachers? #ukedchat
#ukedchat and don't forget that others can follow your changes
islayian 20:22
http://youtu.be/fW8amMCVAJQ
dughall 20:22 @kvnmcl Any other ideas for different CPD? #ukedchat
@joga5 so what happens if not everyone wants to move forwards?
Creativeedu 20:22
#UKEdChat
daviderogers 20:22 @dughall let children lead it :-) #ukedchat
@dughall Share INSET/practice between other local schools & teachers?
colport 20:22
#ukedchat
What is the risk of trying new things? what are we judging ourselves against?
headteacher01 20:22
Surely only risk is children get turned off learning #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:22 joining late but here now #ukedchat

dughall 20:22 RT @daviderogers: Do things different - we hold one dept meeting a half term
in pub, one in coffee shop and another doing stuff #ukedchat
@Catriona_O but it's people that make change happen, and if you invest in
daviderogers 20:23
them, trust them then they will want to tranform #ukedchat
islayian 20:23 #ukedchat the biggest restriction is FUD - Fear Uncertainty and Doubt
@dughall I've done lunchtime sit ins for Technology - 15mins demo over
kvnmcl 20:23
sandwiches #ukedchat
#UKEdChat - having micro managed teaching, forced "strategies" & QCAs not
jackieschneider 20:23
surprising some lessons are dull
@leeandrewdunn when we're not bombarded by #UKEdChat would love to
Creativeedu 20:23
discuss more on this!
...and what about ITT (teacher training)? Are we getting it right there?
dughall 20:23
#ukedchat
daviderogers 20:23 @Ideas_Factory ha ha , nope #ukedchat
RT @islayian: #ukedchat the biggest restriction is FUD - Fear Uncertainty and
dughall 20:24
Doubt
@leeandrewdunn #ukedchat We have mixed age classes from S3 up They
islayian 20:24
chose a class not set by age

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Stepping into the shoes of the kids helps you move forwards. Did 3 days 'as a
Creativeedu 20:24
student' when a chair of govs. LOVED IT! #UKEdChat

Ideas_Factory 20:24 RT @daviderogers: but it's people that make change happen, and if you invest
in them, trust them then they will want to tranform #ukedchat
@dughall ITE - #ukedchat - don't think so , otherwise, why would there be big
Catriona_O 20:24
reviews going on?
@dughall I'm also exploring getting some Y5/6 children to provide CPD on use
kvnmcl 20:24
of tech to some staff #ukedchat
dughall 20:24 RT @teachesict: this is better than corrie! #ukedchat
#ukedchat We have series of twilights where teachers opt in 2 range of
sophielearns 20:24
sessions - personalised training:wellbeing; tech; thinking skills etc
#ukedchat Different=Good? How far away from 'standard' can one deviate,
petejbell 20:24
before deviating pupils aways from 'standards'?
daviderogers 20:24
@Catriona_O plus we still have a full agenda, just change the venue #ukedchat
VGoodyear 20:24
@colport @dughall great idea im sure barriers would be time #ukedchat
RT @islayian: #ukedchat and don't forget that others can follow your changes
dughall 20:24
http://youtu.be/fW8amMCVAJQ
Does #UKEdChat make anyone else's head hurt? IT'S SO FAST! cannot
Creativeedu 20:25
compute (but I love it!)
Barrier to change: the leave at 3pm culture of teachers and feeling hard done
daviderogers 20:25
by #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:25 RT @petejbell: #ukedchat Different=Good? How far away from 'standard' can
one deviate, before deviating pupils aways from 'standards'?
dughall 20:25
@Catriona_O So, school based ITT in 'different' schools/settings? #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:25 @sophielearns I like that idea #ukedchat
islayian 20:25
RT @dughall: RT @teachesict: this is better than corrie! #ukedchat .. I so agree
@leeandrewdunn Mixed year groups, or mixed Tutor groups? I like that idea
colport 20:25
for 2nd'ary schools #ukedchat
If we want to do things differently - how about pondering what the point of
daviderogers 20:25
education is? #ukedchat
RT @dughall: ...and what about ITT (teacher training)? Are we getting it right
4goggas 20:26
there? #ukedchat
Change by osmosis - Guerilla Innovation - staff walk past your room and glance
daviderogers 20:26
in 'What's going on there?..... #ukedchat

Catriona_O 20:26 @daviderogers agree ! #ukedchat @dughall we call it teacher education- diff
between initial TE and ongoing TE need's to b established
@VGoodyear Perhaps local schools should collaborate to share the SAME Inset
colport 20:26
dates #ukedchat
@joga5 how do you go about finding is someone is scared or resistant to
Creativeedu 20:26
change... sounds tricky! #UKEdChat

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Ideas_Factory 20:26 @petejbell #ukedchat Standards....you can achieve these by having a creative
curriculum,trusting pupils and teachers in their own learning
Trustr staff, invest in them, nurture them and make them want change
daviderogers 20:26
#ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: Does #UKEdChat make anyone else's head hurt? IT'S SO
richardsw16 20:26
FAST! cannot compute (but I love it!)
@Creativeedu if you're doing the right thing for children as learners then the
sellyeve 20:26
results will follow #ukedchat
leeandrewdunn 20:26 @Creativeedu #UKEdChat lol I know DM me sometime :)
daviderogers 20:27
@dughall ha ha - well if you will leave your laptop open ;-) #ukedchat
RT @colport: @VGoodyear Perhaps local schools should collaborate to share
dughall 20:27
the SAME Inset dates #ukedchat
leeandrewdunn 20:27
@islayian #UKEdChat they choose? that's interesting! I like that idea...
CliveBuckley 20:27 Should ITT be in schools or universities? #ukedchat
petejbell 20:27
@Ideas_Factory Absolutely. But what's different about that? #ukedchat
CliveBuckley 20:27 Should ITT be in schools or universities? ~ukedchat

dughall 20:27 I'm thinking that @daviderogers has been looking at my pre-chat notes! What
about the barriers folks? What's stopping us/others? #ukedchat

Jeff_shoemaker 20:27 RT @yhatweets: Grade 4 girl helps homeless, visits alcoholic centre, makes
video. Inspiring! http://bit.ly/eUnYTY #edchat #sschat #sstech #ukedchat
@4goggas Thing is about ITT is that it seems to stop in July - I'm qualified, now
daviderogers 20:28
what? #ukedchat
sellyeve 20:28 @richardsw16 we do this sometimes #ukedchat

dughall 20:28 RT @CliveBuckley: Should ITT be in schools or universities? #ukedchat <- Good
question! Is it either/or though? Is the balance right?
How many times should you try something new and different without seeing
Creativeedu 20:28
an impact on results before you revert? #UKEdChat
@dughall Thinking that we can't change and that we are political pawns -
daviderogers 20:28
makes my blood boil #ukedchat
RT @dughall: RT @colport: @VGoodyear Perhaps local schools should
richardsw16 20:28
collaborate to share the SAME Inset dates #ukedchat
@dughall @daviderogers this is a really WIDE RANGING topic! wow -
Catriona_O 20:28
ambitious! #ukedchat
@colport @Creativeedu #ukedchat. I think like the CHILD - the parent might
surreallyno 20:28
have no clue what is best for them :)!
@surreallyno often the child talks more sense (my 9MO and 1YO definitely
Creativeedu 20:29
make more sense than me ;-) #UKEdChat
RT @theokk: @dughall you read it yesterday, straight from the horses mouth
4goggas 20:29
"this is the age of the text book" #gove #ukedchat

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RT @OhLottie: @petejbell Great point. Are some being 'different' for being
dughall 20:29 different's sake? Do you need a good reason to do things differently?
#ukedchat
@dughall #ukedchat not liking where this is going south of the border
Catriona_O 20:29
http://bit.ly/e5HDMI
@CreativeEdu @daviderogers #ukedchat Here's my Teachmeet prez about 3rd
Ideas_Factory 20:29
space (basically what book is) http://bit.ly/i7nd1G
daviderogers 20:29 Barriers: being closed minded #ukedchat
RT @Ideas_Factory: @petejbell #ukedchat Standards....you can achieve these
petejbell 20:29 by having a creative curriculum,trusting pupils and teachers in their own
learning
@dughall you read it yesterday, straight from the horses mouth "this is the age
theokk 20:29
of the text book" #gove #ukedchat
RT @richardsw16: RT @dughall: RT @colport: @VGoodyear we do that once a
daviderogers 20:29
year, but needs forethought to be effective #ukedchat
@colport mixed tutor groups but also across courses e.g various year groups
leeandrewdunn 20:29
all on one English class studying the same course #UKEdChat
#ukedchat standards driven training vs education what is it that we value? But
headteacher01 20:29
certainly easier to explore risk if standards are high!

OhLottie 20:29 @petejbell Great point. Are some being 'different' for being different's sake?
Do you need a good reason to do things differently? #ukedchat
Needing to achieve set standards & being unsure if new techniques will be as
Creativeedu 20:29
effective is a definite barrier to change #UKEdChat
Creativeedu 20:30 @petejbell I got hootsuite just for #UKEdChat !!

lisacov19 20:30 @Ideas_Factory #ukedchat whole school moves up on July 1st - parents
evening with old & new teachers - both teachers assess - done ;-)
Ideas_Factory 20:30
@petejbell #ukedchat Nothing different agreed but certainly risky to most
RT @4goggas: RT @theokk: @dughall but a textbook is just a tool, it's what
daviderogers 20:31
you do with it that's creative #gove #ukedchat
@saraloisstanley You done a #ukedchat before? Or is this one particularly
dughall 20:31
difficult?

colport 20:31 @Joga5 Perhaps the area nets need to be widened, and schools share their
SDP? Perhaps the SIP partners should organise! #ukedchat
RT @daviderogers: If we want to do things differently - scrap inset days, get off
andywallis 20:31
site and be creative #ukedchat (well said David)
Is it either/or though? Is the balance right? My view - should be both
CliveBuckley 20:31
#ukedchat

Arakwai 20:31 Cld give excellent different PoV :-) -> RT @colport: @VGoodyear Perhaps local
schools should collaborate to share SAME Inset dates #ukedchat
RT @daviderogers: Barriers: being closed minded #ukedchat <- Surely
dughall 20:31
educators don't have closed minds!... Do they?
saraloisstanley 20:31 @dughall this is a very difficult stream to follow.. sorry #ukedchat

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@clivebuckley what was that in ref too? lost the stream but sounded like a
Creativeedu 20:32
good point! #UKEdChat
@dughall 'textbooks are bad' 'ms is evil' 'torries hate edu' 'it's not directed
daviderogers 20:32
time' ;-P #ukedchat

Kenny73 20:32 Doing things differently: what if way someone does it & always has really
works? Have been guilty of rush to new because its new #ukedchat
sellyeve 20:32 @Catriona_O drive change or lead it? #ukedchat
@saraloisstanley You don't always have to watch the whole thing. You could
dughall 20:32
reply to an individual's point. #ukedchat
colport 20:32
@leeandrewdunn How would that work for differentiation? #ukedchat
are we still looking at driving change? #ukedchat? How far do you really want
Catriona_O 20:32
to go?
@saraloisstanley #ukedchat Try using www.twitterfall.com makes it much
Ideas_Factory 20:33
easier as just follow #
if we really want to change, we must always remember that we'll never get to
daviderogers 20:33
where we are going #ukedchat

dughall 20:33 RT @Kenny73: Doing things differently: what if way someone does it & always
has really works? Have been guilty of rush to new because its new #ukedchat
CliveBuckley 20:33 Should ITT be in schools or universities? - Both #ukedchat
@saraloisstanley do you have a column just to follow #UKEdChat it's the only
Creativeedu 20:33
way I can even try and keep up!
RT @Ideas_Factory: @dughall #ukedchat It's the old dinosaurs in charge of
largerama 20:33 education-be them Ofsted Insp, HT, Ministers, Freelances or advisors that r
barriers
4goggas 20:33
@daviderogers I can carry several at a time. Is that creative? ;0) #ukedchat
RT @Joga5: @colport And where will the SIPs be in 12 months' time?
philallman1 20:33
#ukedchat <signing on, or working for the National College :)
Catriona_O 20:33 @sellyeve #ukedchat let's drive!

Ideas_Factory 20:33 @dughall #ukedchat It's the old dinosaurs in charge of education-be them
Ofsted Insp, HT, Ministers, Freelances or advisors that r barriers
maybe the upside of constant political dumbness and upheaval is that it forces
daviderogers 20:34
us to change, adapt, be different? #ukedchat
RT @theokk: @dughall you read it yesterday, straight from the horses mouth
timsgreenhalgh 20:34
"this is the age of the text book" #gove #ukedchat
@philallman1 LOL - Perhaps SIPs should be HTs from neighbouring schools, all
colport 20:34
trying to improve the local community? #ukedchat
@clivebuckley now I'm back on the same page. I completely agree. ITT needs
Creativeedu 20:34
theory and practice in spades #UKEdChat
Differently? What shall we start with? The lesson? The school day? The school
ianinsheffield 20:34
year? The building? The players? #ukedchat
RT @CliveBuckley: Should ITT be in schools or universities? - Both #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:34
<most def both- how could schools cope?>

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dughall 20:34
@Kenny73 Good point. If it has always worked, why change? #ukedchat
Our 6 schools in our 'family' collaborate with shared english and maths leader
headteacher01 20:34
meetings and 3 shared INSET days each year #ukedchat

EduVulture 20:34 Looking at the conflict between leadership and management in education for
MA. Can anyone recommend articles? Please RT #ukedchat #edchat

ejasprey 20:35 #ukedchat what works for one may not work for someone else. personality &
strengths are influential to teaching style.... & should be?
RT @Catriona_O: #ukedchat - can we have a diff discussion on initial teacher
daviderogers 20:35
education sometime please?

Creativeedu 20:35 My psych b'ground tell me sometimes scores will improve just BECAUSE
something is different but the improvement may be shortlived #UKEdChat

dughall 20:35 RT @IaninSheffield: Differently? What shall we start with? The lesson? The
school day? The school year? The building? The players? #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:35
@4goggas ha ha! my son uses them to reach the cookies ;-) #ukedchat

leeandrewdunn 20:35 @colport #UKEdChat would be done on an individual basis - was really difficult
to introduce but seems to work now! Personalisation & choice!
#ukedchat - can we have a diff discussion on initial teacher education
Catriona_O 20:35
sometime please?

Ideas_Factory 20:35 #ukedchat By doing things differently & being succesful-That's how we break
down the barriers-by collaborating on twitter is how we connect
largerama 20:35 @IaninSheffield dont forget the govt #ukedchat
@Catriona_O isn't real change about hearts and minds? Leading = real change
sellyeve 20:35
#ukedchat

dughall 20:36 RT @CliveBuckley: What change do we want? Pre-car if you asked people how
they want to travel they'd have said 'faster horses' #ukedchat
@petejbell Ahh I guess that's far too broad a question, all SMT are different
OhLottie 20:36
surely? #ukedchat
@daviderogers agree, but wasn't meant in that context, message was about a
theokk 20:36
closed learning model, ingest & regurgitate #ukedchat
@catriona_o I agree ITT discussion sounds good for future. #UKEdChat
Creativeedu 20:36
@UKEdChat

JenWomble 20:36 RT @VGoodyear: teachers need better forms of professional development to


learn about new things to be able to do more innovative teaching #ukedchat
@Catriona_O It's usually down to the vote. Perhaps @janwebb21 will put a
colport 20:36
question about it for #ukedchat next week!

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Catriona_O 20:36 RT @CliveBuckley: What change do we want? Pre-car if you asked people how
they want to travel they'd have said 'faster horses' #ukedchat
ianinsheffield 20:36
@largerama I haven't ... unfortunately no matter how hard I try! ;-) #ukedchat
What change do we want? Pre-car if you asked people how they want to travel
CliveBuckley 20:36
they'd have said 'faster horses' #ukedchat
@cdibble @lisacov19 #ukedchat Brilliant-Bet they don't have the Sept
Ideas_Factory 20:36
backwards step!
Doing things differently: school is not a building but a collection of people who
Creativeedu 20:37
work together, sometimes remotely #UKEdChat
We need a paradigm shift in education - trouble is we don't know what that is
CliveBuckley 20:37
yet! #ukedchat ITT/ITE a good place to start

islayian 20:37 RT @CliveBuckley: What change do we want? Pre-car if you asked people how
they want to travel they'd have said 'faster horses' #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:37
@colport I know - thanks! I'm just totally lost in this week's #ukedchat!
RT @dughall: RT @CliveBuckley: What change do we want? Pre-car if you
richardsw16 20:37 asked people how they want to travel they'd have said 'faster horses'
#ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:37 RT @ejasprey: #ukedchat what works for one may not work for someone else.
personality & strengths are influential to teaching style.... & should be?

ZoeRoss19 20:37 RT @daviderogers: Change by osmosis - Guerilla Innovation - staff walk past
your room and glance in 'What's going on there?..... #ukedchat
OhLottie 20:37 @CreativeEdu Aha, ok we do that! #ukedchat
how many ppl have a strong opinion on the white paper, but haven't read it?
daviderogers 20:37
btw b4 accusations start I'm welsh mining stock ;-) #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:38 RT @clivebuckley: What change do we want? Pre-car if you asked people how
they want to travel they'd have said 'faster horses' #ukedchat

CliveBuckley 20:38 RT @Catriona_O: RT @CliveBuckley: Should ITT be in schools or universities? -


Both #ukedchat <most def both- how could schools cope?> Dunno

lisacov19 20:38 @Ideas_Factory @cdibble #ukedchat nope & teachers plan from day1 of sept
knowing exactly who they've got & early years FT immediately

dughall 20:38 RT @misslpitkethly: @kenny73 I agree you don't always have to do things
differently. You should do what's best for the children. #ukedchat
@kenny73 I agree you don't always have to do things differently. You should
misslpitkethly 20:38
do what's best for the children. #ukedchat

dughall 20:38 RT @CliveBuckley: We need a paradigm shift in education - trouble is we don't


know what that is yet! #ukedchat ITT/ITE :good place to start

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Catriona_O 20:39 RT @CliveBuckley: We needa paradigm shift in education #ukedchat ITT/ITE a
good place 2start-is this a gd place 2starthttp://bit.ly/dGIwnR
daviderogers 20:39 @dughall lots and lots #ukedchat
RT @sellyeve: @dughall but should next year always look like last year?
4goggas 20:39
#ukedchat

daviderogers 20:39 RT @misslpitkethly: @kenny73 I agree you don't always have to do things
differently. You should do what's best for the children. #ukedchat
RT @dughall: Anyone doing anything with learning spaces? Buildings? Layouts?
JenWomble 20:39
Classrooms? Why? #ukedchat

Arakwai 20:39 #ukedchat Also need periods of consolidation, and confidence/support to stick
with new ideas long enough to fully trial/develop them.
sellyeve 20:39 @dughall but should next year always look like last year? #ukedchat
Anyone doing anything with learning spaces? Buildings? Layouts? Classrooms?
dughall 20:39
Why? #ukedchat
#ukedchat Trying to 'Do it differently' should equip teachers with fab range of
Arakwai 20:39
tools that work well with different classes/pupils.

daviderogers 20:39 @theokk for sure, but the msg that comes to sch with trainees textbooks are
bad when it's the teaching that needs to change #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:40 @saraloisstanley depends what you're using, If you can add columns like in
hootsuite or tweetdeck just create a column for search #UKEdChat

CliveBuckley 20:40 RT @dughall: Anyone doing anything with learning spaces? Buildings? Layouts?
Classrooms?#ukedchat Great q! Something we need to look at
RT @daviderogers: RT @dughall: Anyone doing anything with learning spaces?
Catriona_O 20:40
Buildings? Layouts? Classrooms? Why? #ukedchat
RT @dughall: Anyone doing anything with learning spaces? Buildings? Layouts?
daviderogers 20:40
Classrooms? Why? #ukedchat
I did remote classes last week during the snow using Adobe Connect. Hadn't
camaxwell 20:40
been done before in my college. #ukedchat
@Arakwai #ukedchat Agree - need time to fully embed and not keep adding
sophielearns 20:40
plates to spin
dughall 20:40 @daviderogers Do tell :-) #ukedchat
#ukedchat It's not about change-it's about doing things differently
Ideas_Factory 20:40
@clivebuckley Can still stay within model and make it better..
I think I agree! RT @narthernlad @CreativeEdu I think best way to be
OhLottie 20:40
outstanding is trying something new or different #UKEdChat
OhLottie 20:41 @CliveBuckley Define 'working'! #ukedchat
#ukedchat Do we need a full pedagogical shift in modern day teaching? I fear a
colport 20:41
lack of attention to this is UK education!
@saraloisstanley you might find this useful, or maybe you're already clued up!
Creativeedu 20:41
my guide to http://ow.ly/3mKxE #UKEdChat

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@dughall #ukedchat Have training room with hidden cameras for trainees/
sophielearns 20:41
teachers to use and then watch back and reflect
dughall 20:41 @camaxwell How did it go down? Your colleagues try it? #ukedchat
CliveBuckley 20:41 If it aint broke don't fix it but is education working? #ukedchat
@dughall it's what @GeoDebs projecrt is based on - pupils as space creators
daviderogers 20:41
#ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:41 @CliveBuckley #ukedchat- don't thinkk they ever will

dughall 20:41 RT @camaxwell: I did remote classes last week during the snow using Adobe
Connect. Hadn't been done before in my college. #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:42 @dughall #ukedchat Too expensive Not enough money-Architects never ask
educators about school design-look at this http://bit.ly/gAPuDE

Creativeedu 20:42 Re learning spaces before we lost our BSF funding one special school I work
with was going to move to a hub system, v open plan #UKEdChat
Going on a #p4c course opened my eyes up to doing things differently.
OhLottie 20:42
#ukedchat
RT @CliveBuckley: If it aint broke don't fix it but is education working?
daviderogers 20:42
#ukedchat
RT @colport: #ukedchat Do we need a full pedagogical shift in modern day
philallman1 20:42
teaching? < have you read the white paper?!
daviderogers 20:42 @dughall http://bit.ly/aMmKfk #ukedchat

iDais 20:42 #ukedchat Playing with linking QR code to editable single doc in Dropbox =
'smartphone classroom'. Anyone similar? Worth effort? Different?

richardsw16 20:42 RT @Arakwai: #ukedchat Also need periods of consolidation, and


confidence/support to stick with new ideas long enough to fully trial/develop

dughall 20:42 RT @sophielearns: @dughall #ukedchat Have training room with hidden
cameras for trainees/ teachers to use and then watch back and reflect
Arakwai 20:42
@sophielearns Hear hear! :-) *sound of crashing plates* ;-) #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:43
@sophielearns Sounds just like the reading recover room...#ukedchat

dughall 20:43 RT @iDais: #ukedchat Playing with linking QR code to editable single doc in
Dropbox = 'smartphone classroom'. Anyone similar? Worth effort? Different?
islayian 20:43 #ukedchat #tmne10 is back online
RT @richardsw16: RT @Arakwai: #ukedchat Also need periods of
dughall 20:43 consolidation, and confidence/support to stick with new ideas long enough to
fully trial/develop
@philallman1 but the white paper leaves it up to teachers - #gove aint in my
daviderogers 20:43
classroom! http://bit.ly/fmdBto #ukedchat
@philallman1 OMG - You probably think I'm Gove's personal adviser!!! :-(
colport 20:43
#ukedchat

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all working off a central space. great for wheelchair users & for lots of cross
Creativeedu 20:43
curricular work #UKEdChat
Do *we* need to do things differently, or colleagues who aren't participating
ianinsheffield 20:43
in #ukedchat and similar?
@OhLottie: Define 'working'! #ukedchat... I need an hour! Helping children
CliveBuckley 20:43
achieve their potential? (
RT @OhLottie: Going on a #p4c course opened my eyes up to doing things
sellyeve 20:43
differently. #ukedchat
@colport How strong are your arms to swim against the tide re pedagogical
dughall 20:43
change!? #ukedchat
@sophielearns there is a comm company trying to sell CCTV for ed obsv
Catriona_O 20:43
purposes. is this the way ahead?? #ukedchat

philallman1 20:44 RT @daviderogers: but the white paper leaves it up to teachers - #gove aint in
my classroom! #ukedchat < white paper = centralised autonomy

OhLottie 20:44 That works for me! RT @CliveBuckley @OhLottie: Define 'working'!
#ukedchat... I need an hour! Helping children achieve their potential? (
#ukedchat 2 things 1 if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it? 2 connect with other
superrobbo 20:44
schools I.e. HOD/CTL meet, same dept but different schools
iPad unpacked. What apps do I need?? (did I say i came home from school
MrGPG 20:44
early to play with it?) #ukedchat
dughall 20:44 RT @daviderogers: @dughall http://bit.ly/aMmKfk #ukedchat
colport 20:44 @dughall Slowly sinking! #ukedchat :-(
richardsw16 20:44 @IaninSheffield Everyone - #ukedchat not only source of ideas
dughall 20:44
@iDais Yep, different. Like the sound of that! You blogging it? #ukedchat
RT @colport: @philallman1 OMG - You probably think I'm Gove's personal
philallman1 20:45
adviser!!! :-( #ukedchat <lol! No, you tell the truth!

sophielearns 20:45 @Catriona_O #ukedchat We designed and built own but had problems with
microphones/ sound so not perfect - again, teachers need to feel safe

Kenny73 20:45 Rather than different, get sharing.Found out today one of experienced
teachers doing acrostic poems as learning summary for yrs #ukedchat
How do you know that when you've done it differently that it is *better*?
dughall 20:46
#ukedchat
@dughall and that's just the tip of the iceberg with what we are trying to do :-)
daviderogers 20:46
#ukedchat
Can I suggest people take a look at what Stephen heppell's work
CliveBuckley 20:46
http://bit.ly/5C6OIj #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:46 #ukedchat How about looking over the parapits for a while and taking
kids/teachers to visit other schools-see how they do it and collabor8
@richardsw16 Indeed it isn't ... but it is 'different.' Now whether that's
ianinsheffield 20:46
different-good or different-bad ...? #ukedchat

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daviderogers 20:47 @philallman1 But it makes it clear that decisions can be made by schools- no
change as Lab was the ultimate centralised auth #gove #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:47 @janwebb21 something about initial teacher education ? #ukedchat

dughall 20:47 RT @petejbell: #ukedchat Sir Ken's paradigm shift is worth considering, is
anyone here working in a #freeschool? Does your model fit?
@iDais: #ukedchat Playing with linking QR code to editable single doc in
Ideas_Factory 20:47
Dropbox = 'smartphone classroom' DEfo worth effort-Bravo!
#ukedchat Sir Ken's paradigm shift is worth considering, is anyone here
petejbell 20:47
working in a #freeschool? Does your model fit?
@IaninSheffield Need to share each other's 'differences' with colleagues
richardsw16 20:47
#ukedchat
A fascinating #ukedchat this evening, hosted by @dughall, up against stiff
ukedchat 20:47
competition. Just 10 minutes remain!
RT @headteacher01: Loves our £70 visualisers in each classroom - seeing
dughall 20:48
different new and exciting uses each day #ukedchat
different is not necessarily better. We must always know what we are trying to
Creativeedu 20:48
achieve so we can see if we succeed #UKEdChat
@philallman1 did years of national strats etc encourage individ teachers'
daviderogers 20:48
creativity? #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:48
#ukedchat 'Doing it differently' 'up against stiff opposition' Oh-er! Missus....
@dughall Yes, colleagues joined in and also teachers from 2 schools and
camaxwell 20:48
another college! It was a learning experience for all. #ukedchat
@headteacher01 They work great as qr code readers too with quickmark
narthernlad 20:48
#ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:48 Sounds good! RT @headteacher01: Loves our £70 visualisers in each
classroom - seeing different new and exciting uses each day #ukedchat
RT @richardsw16: @IaninSheffield Need to share each other's 'differences'
dughall 20:48
with colleagues #ukedchat
Really important to set aims and objectives when trying something new then
Creativeedu 20:48
monitor, review & decide between old & new #UKEdChat

sophielearns 20:48 @Kenny73 #ukedchat 1st ukedchat - now adding 'new ideas from twitter' to
monthly sharing of best practice from learning walks to staff
dughall 20:48 @petejbell #ukedchat Good question about #freeschool Anyone?
Loves our £70 visualisers in each classroom - seeing different new and
headteacher01 20:48
exciting uses each day #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:49 @philallman1 but technology wasn't mentioned to ban it - made it clear that
it's up to teachers to teach in the best way #gove #ukedchat
#ukedchat by doing things different does it make our lives easier? All for
superrobbo 20:49
change if it is instead of not as well as!

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petejbell 20:49 RT @CreativeEdu: different is not necessarily better.We must always know
what we are trying to achieve so we can see if we succeed #UKEdChat
RT @daviderogers: @philallman1 did years of national strats etc encourage
dughall 20:49
individ teachers' creativity? #ukedchat <- Mmmmmmm

Ideas_Factory 20:49 RT @dughall: RT @headteacher01: Loves our £70 visualisers in each


classroom - seeing different new and exciting uses each day #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:49 RT @Creativeedu: Really important to set aims and objectives when trying
something new then monitor, review & decide between old & new #UKEdChat
@dughall Many ways, feedback from chn, improved
OhLottie 20:49 levels/behaviour/standards, happier atmosphere + hey, your good ol'
intuition! #ukedchat
As NQT, amazing to see how other staff do things 'differently'. Nick best ideas,
richardsw16 20:50
remember things which don't work. #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:50 RT @CreativeEdu: Really important to set aims and objs when trying
something new then monitor, review & decide between old & new #UKEdChat
sellyeve 20:50 @petejbell need to define 'success' too! #ukedchat

Catriona_O 20:50 RT @dughall: RT @petejbell: #ukedchat Sir Ken's paradigm shift is worth
considering, < yes 0it demonstrates why we need to change!>#ukedchat
RT @superrobbo: #ukedchat by doing things different does it make our lives
Creativeedu 20:50
easier? All for change if it is instead of not as well as!
@philallman1 I'm not a fan of #gove, but we need to be positive here instead
daviderogers 20:50
of getting dragged down in the neg #ukedchat
#ukedchat I reckon sharing good practice / useful resources / 'my best lesson
Arakwai 20:50
this week' should be a priority on dept meeting agendas.

dughall 20:50 RT @CreativeEdu: Really important to set aims and objs when trying
something new then monitor, review & decide between old & new #UKEdChat

daviderogers 20:51 RT @richardsw16: As NQT, amaz to see how other staff do things 'differently'.
Nick best ideas, remember things which don't work. #ukedchat
@daviderogers #ukedchat Didn't mention Teaching Fasicm either-but Gove
Ideas_Factory 20:51
wouldn't want us teaching that-hmmm
@daviderogers agree but we can't ignore 'outside forces' esp if they dismantle
philallman1 20:51
support structures around us #ukedchat
@philallman1 but where is all of that mentioned or is that just a construction
daviderogers 20:51
created by us? #ukedchat

dughall 20:51 RT @richardsw16: As NQT, amazing 2C how other staff do things 'differently'.
Nick best ideas, remember things which don't work. #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:51 @arakwai I love that idea! #UKEdChat
@Ideas_Factory which kind of makes my point. It's up to us - the professionals,
daviderogers 20:52
to do the right thing #ukedchat

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Observe lessons from completely different departments and learn. What can
Creativeedu 20:52
maths learn from art etc. #UKEdChat
@CreativeEdu Sometimes (frequently?!) the best instances of doing it
OhLottie 20:52
differently are unplanned though. Might be a one-off #ukedchat
RT @CliveBuckley: Biggest problem? Sharing good practice - this forum might
dughall 20:52
help! #ukedchat <- and teachmeets!
CliveBuckley 20:52
Biggest problem? Sharing good practice - this forum might help! #ukedchat

dughall 20:52 RT @Arakwai: #ukedchat I reckon sharing gd practice /useful resources/ 'my
best lesson this week' shld b priority on dept meeting agendas.

stuartswann 20:52 RT @Creativeedu: Really important to set aims and objectives when trying
something new then monitor, review & decide between old & new #UKEdChat
@dailydenouement @headteacher01 I think we need an "interesting ways
KnikiDavies 20:52
with a visualiser" #ukedchat @tombarrett
RT @joga5: @CreativeEdu I sometimes thinnk that Primary teachers are
Creativeedu 20:52
'scared' of being action researchers #ukedchat <controversial!
RT @jamesclay: #ukedchat Well I think differently
dughall 20:53
http://elearningstuff.net/2010/09/22/well-i-think-differently/
Catriona_O 20:53 @CliveBuckley I am sceptical about sharing good practice #ukedchat
Right folks, last 5 mins or so. What are *you* going to do differently
dughall 20:53
tomorrow/next week/next term? #ukedchat
headteacher01 20:53 We use TLA asevaluation to review our innovations #ukedchat
If you need some stimulus of one possible 'different,' try
ianinsheffield 20:53
http://dreamsofeducation.wordpress.com/ by @ktenkely #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:53 @Creativeedu @joga5 I think action research is more a time issue at Primary
#ukedchat Did it for NPQH but only cos I made time & had goal

richardsw16 20:53 RT @CreativeEdu: Observe lessons from cmpletly difft departments & learn.
wht cn maths learn from art etc. #UKEdChat < everyone learning
Collaborate with different depts on exciting cross curric projects. PE +
Creativeedu 20:53
Japanese best e.g. I heard! #UKEdChat
#ukedchat Well I think differently http://elearningstuff.net/2010/09/22/well-i-
jamesclay 20:53
think-differently/
OhLottie 20:54
@richardsw16 Not just as an NQT. It's vital to constantly do this! #ukedchat
RT @daviderogers which kind of makes my point. It's up to us - the
Ideas_Factory 20:54
professionals, to do the right thing #ukedchat Amen to that Brother!
@Ideas_Factory @philallman1 Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan but get
daviderogers 20:54
annoyed at the negative - let's be positive! :-) #ukedchat

OhLottie 20:54 Agree! RT @KnikiDavies @dailydenouement @headteacher01 I think we need


an "interesting ways with a visualiser" #ukedchat @tombarrett
RT @Catriona_O: @CliveBuckley I am sceptical about sharing good practice
CliveBuckley 20:54
#ukedchat Why?

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RT @petejbell: #ukedchat Do we need to stop being fearful of lesson
daviderogers 20:55
observations and open our doors to colleagues? >> for sure
RT @petejbell: #ukedchat Do we need to stop being fearful of lesson
Creativeedu 20:55
observations and open our doors to colleagues? <YES!
daviderogers 20:55 @Ideas_Factory Indeed - Virtual HIGH FIVE! ;-) #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:55 @daviderogers #ukedchat I think the annoying thing is that we all know it will
play such an important part in future & 2 not mention is crap

Creativeedu 20:55 RT @superdooperal: @CreativeEdu with abolition of QCDA how will best
practice be promulgated? DfE won't be doing it, I am sure #UKEdChat
RT @petejbell: #ukedchat Do we need to stop being fearful of lesson
dughall 20:55
observations and open our doors to colleagues?
#ukedchat Do we need to stop being fearful of lesson observations and open
petejbell 20:55
our doors to colleagues?
daviderogers 20:55 @bonitadee That sounds great - flexible space! #ukedchat

OhLottie 20:56 @Joga5 @Ideas_Factory I think tweechers are almost by default unbelievably
reflective. It's what collaboration is based on? #ukedchat

dughall 20:56 RT @Joga5: @dughall Observations or working alongside colleagues in the


same classroom. Get them observing learning not teaching #ukedchat
dughall 20:56
Why not invite a colleague in or do a friendly observation swap? #ukedchat
petejbell 20:56
#ukedchat And maybe leave our clipboards behind if we are observing!

Arakwai 20:56 @richardsw16 Absolutely, worth trying to figure whether things that 'don't
work' can be developed/used in a diff situation though #ukedchat
RT @OhLottie: @richardsw16 Not just as an NQT. It's vital to constantly do
daviderogers 20:56
this! #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:56 RT @petejbell: #ukedchat Do we need to stop being fearful of lesson


observations and open our doors to colleagues? Agreed & that goes 4 SMT
#ukedchat Stop worrying about lesson obs and keep doing something
richardsw16 20:56
'different'. Don't worry if printer paper might run out :)
RT @philallman1: @daviderogers @Ideas_Factory we will be vreative and take
daviderogers 20:56
risks in my school regardless. >> us too! #ukedchat
Tomorrow - I will be leading CPD - so I will ask people what their LOs are not
CliveBuckley 20:56
tell them mine #ukedchat
RT @sophielearns: #ukedchat We had INSET where teachers taught mini
dughall 20:57
lessons to rest of staff on different themes <- Brill
if I can't find a way to keep tweeting while all these tweets come in I might just
Catriona_O 20:57
give up. #ukedchat says < big thanks!!>

MoodleMcKean 20:57 Sharing Good Practice ask @tombarrett to do more interesting ways ;-)
Learner created content (tutors as learners) is way forward #ukedchat

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RT @petejbell: #ukedchat Do we need to stop being fearful of lesson
missnoor28 20:57
observations and open our doors to colleagues?
RT @OhLottie: I think tweechers are almost by default unbelievably reflective.
Ideas_Factory 20:57
It's what collaboration is based on? #ukedchat I love that!

Kenny73 20:57 Is it close enough to Christmas to show 'Scrooged' yet?;-) RT @dughall What
are *you* going to do differently tomorrow/next week? #ukedchat
RT @Joga5: @dughall The bradford model of quickfire lesson study is brilliant
lordlangley73 20:57
for that #ukedchat
If you want to Do I(C)T Differently, I need to hear from you! Crowdsourcing the
petejbell 20:57
Curriculum for A Level ICT #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:57 @Ideas_Factory I agree with that! It is absolute pants and very contradictory!
It's going to impact on our dept + faculty massive #ukedchat
#ukedchat We had INSET where teachers taught mini lessons to rest of staff on
sophielearns 20:57
different themes

richardsw16 20:57 RT @dughall: Why not invite a colleague in or do a friendly observation swap?
#ukedchat < no paperwork, just informal comments
dughall 20:57 @Joga5 Any more info on that? #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:57 RT @CliveBuckley: Tomorrow - I will be leading CPD-so I will ask people what
their LOs are not tell them mine #ukedchat Excellent-good luck
RT @clivebuckley: Tomorrow - I will be leading CPD - so I will ask people what
Creativeedu 20:57
their LOs are not tell them mine #ukedchat
@petejbell drop ICT as a discrete subject and focus on embedding it effectively
daviderogers 20:58
through the school so skills are transferred? #ukedchat

Kenny73 20:58 Us tooRT @dughall RT @sophielearns: #ukedchat We had INSET where


teachers taught mini lessons to rest of staff on different themes <- Brill

Ideas_Factory 20:58 RT @daviderogers: RT @petejbell: If you want to Do I(C)T Differently, I need to


hear from you! Crowdsourcing the Curriculum for A Level ICT #ukedchat
Ts must become more comfortable with notion of constant change. If we
esoldaveglasgow 20:58
believe learning is possible, then change is inherent. #ukedchat

richardsw16 20:58 RT @dughall: RT @sophielearns: #ukedchat We had INSET where teachers


taught mini lessons to rest of staff on different themes <- Brill
@PeteJbell is writing new ICT A Level via crowdsourcing. DOING THINGS
Creativeedu 20:58
DIFFERENTLY! help him! #UKEdChat
Great message do something new in schools, collaborate and share not hide
headteacher01 20:58
and compete #ukedchat
Thanks everyone... I now need tummy food as opposed to brain food :-)
CliveBuckley 20:58
#ukedchat
RT @petejbell: If you want to Do I(C)T Differently, I need to hear from you!
daviderogers 20:58
Crowdsourcing the Curriculum for A Level ICT #ukedchat

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Creativeedu 20:58
@moodlemckean Learner created content definitely way forward #UKEdChat

ianinsheffield 20:59 RT @sophielearns: #ukedchat We had INSET where teachers taught mini
lessons to rest of staff on different themes <- What a great idea!
richardsw16 20:59
#ukedchat 'Different' - get student to take the lesson (well, maybe part of it)

dughall 20:59 RT @mrgpg: @daviderogers @petejbell #ukedchat observations - totally - we


are observed everyday by 30 pairs of eyes. Let's ask them as well.
@Joga5 This is my first proper #ukedchat participation, but yes am fighting the
OhLottie 20:59
tiredness + sacking off The #Apprentice for it :)
RT @esoldaveglasgow: Ts must become more comfortable with notion of
Ideas_Factory 20:59 constant change. If we believe learning is possible, then change is inherent.
#ukedchat
@daviderogers @petejbell #ukedchat observations - totally - we are observed
MrGPG 20:59
everyday by 30 pairs of eyes. Let's ask them as well.
Did you know?: #ukedchat is up for an Edublog Award. Please vote at
ukedchat 21:00
http://bit.ly/gCl4Wg

Ideas_Factory 21:00 #ukedchat LIVE The best Hour spent-Who needs Coronation St-Thankyou all
thoroughly enjoyed Thanks to @dughall for an inspiring topic-great!
RT @sophielearns: @richardsw16 #ukedchat Get students to go to another
richardsw16 21:00
class and lead the plenary < Yay!
daviderogers 21:00 @dughall bingo bango! plus the TA's, parents #ukedchat
It's 9pm. Many thanks to @dughall for hosting this fascinating #ukedchat
ukedchat 21:00
Archive will appear later this evening.
BONG! 9'oclock folks. I'm off home in a pumpkin. Cheers. That was brilliant.
dughall 21:00
Especially in the face of all the competition! #ukedchat
RT @richardsw16: #ukedchat 'Different' - get student to take the lesson (well,
sellyeve 21:00
maybe part of it)& often!
Thanks for a fantastic #UKEdChat everyone. It's always the fastest hour of the
Creativeedu 21:00
week!
daviderogers 21:00
Let's get rid of classrooms, walls and desks, in some places #ukedchat
@richardsw16 #ukedchat Get students to go to another class and lead the
sophielearns 21:00
plenary
RT @dughall: I like @timrylands idea of 'LO and behold' Get kids to guess the
literacyadviser 21:00
objectives at the end of lesson. #ukedchat
Creativeedu 21:01 @dughall thanks for a great #UKEdChat tonight
chris_1974 21:01
Abou to eat, missed #ukedchat again, another parents eve! Will catch up later

Ideas_Factory 21:01 RT @ianinsheffield: @richardsw16 Recently had a student leading part of an


INSET session to colleagues about learning platform #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu for sure! It's just annoying that as a geog spec a lot of time
daviderogers 21:01
teaching basic ICT skills, but cld just me my sch #ukedchat

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richardsw16 21:01
#ukedchat My first ukedchat - and definitely not my last. Thanks everyone.
@ukedchat @dughall My first proper participation. Enjoyed it, thanks!
OhLottie 21:01
#ukedchat
@richardsw16 Recently had a student leading part of an INSET session to
ianinsheffield 21:01
colleagues about learning platform #ukedchat
Thanks to all the wonderful partcipants in tonight's #ukedchat You are all
dughall 21:02
different in your own special ways ;-)
@OhLottie Well Done for 1st #ukedchat-now stop changing your avatar-I keep
Ideas_Factory 21:02
thinking you're the Twitter Dr Who and re-generating...
@mikemcsharry It's so frustrating! I know of 2 sch's where staff have to stay
daviderogers 21:02
till 5 - great buzz and enrichment #ukedchat
sellyeve 21:02 many thanks @dughall! #ukedchat
Catriona_O 21:02
@daviderogers you've been listening to @stephenheppell? #ukedchat
dughall 21:02
Final thought: If there was no change, there'd be no butterflies. #ukedchat
@OhLottie For sure - KS3 in Year 7 is like going back to the dark ages for yng
daviderogers 21:02
ppl at our place! #ukedchat
@richardsw16 glad u enjoyed it. I envy u. I wish twitter and ukedchat had been
esoldaveglasgow 21:03
around ten yrs ago when I first stumbled into a classroom.

Arakwai 21:03 @sophielearns @richardsw16 Or swap classes w next door teacher 4 plenary
so their class tells u what they've learnt & vice versa #ukedchat
petejbell 21:03
Thx everyone, that was full of Awsomeness! Thx esp to @dughall! #ukedchat
dughall 21:03
@CreativeEdu Live #corrie #tmne10 live riots/demos etc etc #ukedchat
RT @dughall: Final thought: If there was no change, there's be no butterflies.
Ideas_Factory 21:03
#ukedchat

DeputyMitchell 21:04 @dughall Want to apologise for tweeting randomly throughout #ukedchat! A
combination of not looking at the stream and being busy -Sorry!
RT @Ideas_Factory: @OhLottie Well Done for 1st #ukedchat-now stop
OhLottie 21:04 changing your avatar-I keep thinking you're the Twitter Dr Who and re-
generating...
Join @janwebb21 next Thursday evening at 8pm for #ukedchat Poll online
colport 21:04
soon.
Twournal book of 500 Tweets which contain 400+ links to e-resources & e-
MoodleMcKean 21:04
articles. What can you share? #ukedchat http://bit.ly/dQRi9u
dughall 21:04 @OhLottie Great to have you joining in like that :-) #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 21:04 @Arakwai: Or swap classes w next door teacher 4 plenary so their class tells u
what they've learnt & vice versa #ukedchat WOW! What an idea
RT @Arakwai: @sophielearns @richardsw16 Or swap classes w next door
richardsw16 21:04 teacher 4 plenary so their class tells u what they've learnt & vice versa
#ukedchat

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daviderogers 21:04 @Catriona_O not at all - who is he? #ukedchat

dughall 21:04 RT @kvnmcl: @dughall We do friendly observation drop ins which focus on
children learning not just teaching. Not stressful at all #ukedchat
@dughall We do friendly observation drop ins which focus on children learning
kvnmcl 21:04
not just teaching. Not stressful at all #ukedchat

esoldaveglasgow 21:05 Thank-you everyone for sharing your ideas about diversity in learning and
teaching. Did we all learn the same things tonight? #ukedchat
5 reasons kids hate your lessons - and some simple solutions!
Creativeedu 21:05
http://ow.ly/3mLnc #UKEdChat #EdChat
@CreativeEdu but is it about people staying in jobs, or making learning better?
daviderogers 21:05
;-) #ukedchat
flyingstartmag 21:05
@dughall has #ukedchat been quiet tonight with the corrie live stuff?!
RT @colport: Join @janwebb21 next Thursday evening at 8pm for #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 21:05
Poll online soon.
@petejbell Kind of - what is the point of ICT as a qual? Just like what is the
daviderogers 21:05
point of Geog? Hist? English. ;-) #ukedchat
RT @dughall: RT @kvnmcl: @dughall We do friendly observation drop ins
richardsw16 21:05 which focus on children learning not just teaching. Not stressful at all
#ukedchat
OhLottie 21:06 @dughall Thanks, was fun + kept me on my Twitter toes! #ukedchat
@OhLottie We do our best - just had Yr 7 parents evening - they all love geog
daviderogers 21:06
because we are in at least the victorian times ;-) #ukedchat
janwebb21 21:07 @colport what question did I miss tonight!!!!! #ukedchat

daviderogers 21:07 Right after a train,walking down street with lap top open and ignoring mny
better half I'm turning off. Thanks all for an engaging #ukedchat
colport 21:08
@Creativeedu P4C link as promised within #ukedchat http://p4c.com/
@CreativeEdu ha ha! I think ICT as a subject is vital - just needs to skyrocket
daviderogers 21:08
forward and reach out to others #ukedchat
@dughall Can you tell I don't do TV?! well #UKEdChat infinitely better than all
Creativeedu 21:08
of the above!
petejbell 21:08 @daviderogers errrrrrr Really? ;) #ukedchat
RT @CreativeEdu 5 reasons kids hate your lessons - and some simple
AnnaMusielak 21:09
solutions! http://ow.ly/3mLnc #UKEdChat #EdChat
#ukedchat I managed to watch corrie and follow the whole thread and knit a
petejbell 21:09
scarf and.... ;)
RT @Creativeedu: 5 reasons kids hate your lessons - and some simple
ianchia 21:09
solutions! http://ow.ly/3mLnc #UKEdChat #EdChat
@janwebb21 Ideas for "Doing it differently". A very vague question, but really
colport 21:10
engaging #ukedchat

richardsw16 21:10 RT @ianinsheffield: @richardsw16 Recently had a student leading part of an


INSET session to colleagues about learning platform #ukedchat

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@petejbell Good to know that people like you are thinking about changing it
daviderogers 21:10
though :-) #ukedchat
ICTtower 21:10 Missed #ukedchat tonight, sounded good, too busy with burst pipe

janwebb21 21:11 @colport sounds like it had lots of scope! look forward to reading the archive!
Just recovering from music button duty at play #ukedchat
dughall 21:12
@flyingstartmag Didn't feel quiet from where I was sitting :-) #ukedchat
@scholaforis I think the kids will too check this out http://bit.ly/3PdHt1
daviderogers 21:15
#ukedchat
@dughall glad you liked it ;) sorry to miss #ukedchat just walked in the door!
ForesterJo 21:15
Did you speak to Dora about vc with Santa?
@dughall I know I've let you down, I've let #ukedchat down but most of
DeputyMitchell 21:17
all...I've let myself down!! ;-)

daviderogers 21:18 RT @DeputyMitchell: @dughall I know I've let you down, I've let #ukedchat
down but most of all...I've let myself down!! >> in the cooler ;-)
flyingstartmag 21:19 @dughall Ah good!!! I'll check it out tomorrow! :) #ukedchat
One of my favorite #ukedchat discussions tonight :-) Many thanks to everyone
Arakwai 21:19
for some great ideas.

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