Ukedchat Archive 16 December 2010

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Ideas_Factory 19:59 RT @Creativeedu: RT @colport: Join @janwebb21 for #ukedchat "Why do

so many new teachers leave within 5 years and how we can reduce drain?"
janwebb21 19:59 Welcome to #ukedchat!!! an hour long discussion coming up to discuss

why somany new teachers leave within 5 years - and how to reduce drain!
So what factors are discouraging new teachers from staying in the
janwebb21 20:00
profession? #ukedchat
RT @colport: @janwebb21 It's an interesting one! Is this more a problem
janwebb21 20:01
at secondary than primary? #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:01
@frogphilp what sort of staff development is needed then? #ukedchat
@janwebb21 It's an interesting one! Is this more a problem at secondary
colport 20:01
than primary? #ukedchat
frogphilp 20:01
@janwebb21 main factor: poor staff development from slt. #ukedchat
Has anyone seen colleagues leaving within 5 years? Where do they go?
colport 20:02
#ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:02 good evening. are the teachers leaving necessarily 'weak' teachers? What
if they have taught 5 ruddy great years? #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:02 I know at least two who have left purely as a result of extreme behaviour
issues they've felt uncomfortably dealing with #UKEdChat
RT @philallman1: @janwebb21 #ukedchat workload, going into profession
janwebb21 20:02
for wrong reasons.
@colport @frogphilp #ukedchat and does it depend on the teacher's
janwebb21 20:02
previous employment experience?
@janwebb21 #ukedchat workload, going into profession for wrong
philallman1 20:02
reasons.
Ideas_Factory 20:02 #ukedchat Lack of work/life balance, People come into prof thinking its an
easy job but they find in reality that their old life was better
@janwebb21 how about a 70 hour working week? No recognition from
ianaddison 20:02
SMT? Getting abuse from children/parents? #ukedchat
leeandrewdunn 20:03 #ukedchat are there any stats to show demographics - male / female /
geography etc of NQTs and those leaving the profession?
It would be worse for the profession if there was stability in retention. we
john_at_muuua 20:03
need new blood to enhance teaching. #ukedchat
@john_at_muuua Indeed....and where do you go if you do leave?
colport 20:03
#ukedchat
@john_at_muuua but if they've taught 5 great years, why leave something
janwebb21 20:03
that is working well? #ukedchat
philallman1 20:03 RT @colport: Has anyone seen colleagues leaving within 5 years? Where
do they go? #ukedchat< outside teaching I had the 5 yr itch too!
@frogphilp #ukedchat Leaving School maybe but surely not the entire
Ideas_Factory 20:03
profession
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Two people I graduated with have left teaching already because of the
misshbond 20:04
enormous after school workload... #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu @deerwood #UKEdChat is the type of training also part of
janwebb21 20:04
the problem?
mr_chadwick 20:04
@colport Two friends of mine ended up in police force! #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:04 I friends who have done 'teachfirst' and struggled to make it through, all
have hated it. Not heard one positive story! #UKEdChat
janwebb21 20:04 RT @leeandrewdunn: #ukedchat are there any stats to show demographics
- male / female / geography etc of NQTs and those leaving the profession?
deerwood 20:04 Why do teachers leave the profession, perhaps because they're no longer
treated like professionals http://bit.ly/i1huom #ukedchat
philallman1 20:04 RT @janwebb21: @colport @frogphilp #ukedchat and does it depend on

the teacher's prev empl exp.?< yes! got to go into it for rt reasons
@philallman1 Outside teaching, I had the 1/2/3/4/5 year itch, until
colport 20:04
decided after 12 years to 'go for it'! #ukedchat
@janwebb21 do you mean initial teacher training or the lack of
deerwood 20:05
subsequent training? #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu interesting as Gove seems to see teachfirst as the PGCE
john_at_muuua 20:05
replacement #ukedchat
Crosbiei 20:05 RT @misshbond: 2 ppl I graduated with have left teaching already cos of
enormous after school workload... -> Def a major issue! #ukedchat
tech question - have been recommended twitterfall to follow #UKEdChat
Creativeedu 20:05
can I write tweets on there too or just read?
philallman1 20:05 RT @janwebb21: #UKEdChat is the type of training also part of the
problem?< yes is current training relevant or lead them to false concl.
colport 20:05
@mr_chadwick Wow....from teaching to Police Force?!? #ukedchat
RT @Catriona_O: @janwebb21 #ukedchat!! good topic! do we need to
janwebb21 20:05
rethink teacher ed quotas and throughput?
janwebb21 20:05 @misshbond so what makes a workload balanced? #ukedchat
@janwebb21 #ukedchat!! good topic! do we need to rethink teacher ed
Catriona_O 20:05
quotas and throughput?
RT @colport: This begs the question that people come into the teaching
janwebb21 20:06
thinking it's an easy option? #ukedchat
cleverfiend 20:06 @Creativeedu you can tweet from Twitterfall too for #ukedchat
RT @deerwood: Perhaps because they're no longer treated like
mr_chadwick 20:06
professionals < think this could be a factor #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:06 @deerwood both!!!! #ukedchat
@Catriona_O i being a teacher isn't what you do, it's what you are - quotas
janwebb21 20:06
don't touch that! #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:06 #ukedchat The majority that do leave have no exp of other life just uni
then Teaching-having worked for 12 years b4 teaching I appreciate it
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This begs the question that people come into the teaching thinking it's an
colport 20:06
easy option? #ukedchat
@john_at_muuua I wonder if anyone has experience of teachfirst and how
janwebb21 20:07
it affects retention rates? #ukedchat
@colport #ukedchat Of course they do-look at the 'working hours and the
Ideas_Factory 20:07
holidays' easy life ;^)
philallman1 20:07 #ukedchat often say that I love my job but nowadays you HAVE to know its
what you want to do. You can't fall into this profession anymore!
@Ideas_Factory Some people in the profession do not appreciate the time
colport 20:07
outside teaching. #ukedchat
Everyone's saying workload causes teachers to quit. Why do we do it?
ianaddison 20:07
Didn't we discuss this few week's back? #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:07 @colport @mr_chadwick I know coppers who've become teachers, works
both ways. But what of experienced soldiers?#ukedchat
frogphilp 20:07 @Ideas_Factory some schools can be so stressful the teachers never
recover and leave not just the school but the profession. #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:07 @john_at_muuua having worked in a school with teachfirst teachers, i

would say NOT, they weren't good! #UKEdChat (they don't want to teach!)
colport 20:07 @Ideas_Factory Me & you are spookily similar #ukedchat
Crosbiei 20:08 RT @Smichael920: @janwebb21 Ofsted,sats, high level accountability, low

level freedom, high level prescription, little creativity. #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:08 I'm in my 3rd yr of teaching. Previous career in retail mgmt & HR. don't
think could cope with workload if this had been 1st job. #ukedchat
carolrainbow 20:08 RT @mr_chadwick: RT @deerwood: Perhaps because theyre no longer

treated like professionals < think this could be a factor - Agree #ukedchat
@janwebb21 Ofsted,sats, high level accountability, low level freedom, high
Smichael920 20:08
level prescription, little creativity. #ukedchat
ianaddison 20:08 My friend's done 6years, she's having a baby to have a year's break then
going to quit to do 'anything else' cos she's shattered #ukedchat
colport 20:08 @john_at_muuua You trouble maker you ;-) #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:08 @CreativeEdu so what DID they want to do?!?!!! #UKEdChat
if soldiers are fit for teaching are we fit for Iraq? transferable skills?!
john_at_muuua 20:08
#ukedchat
misshbond 20:08 @janwebb21 No idea! As NQT I'm trying to find balance between working
and spending time with my fella, let alone anything else! #ukedchat
@ianaddison Is it the workload or the lack of recognition for the work
deerwood 20:08
done? #ukedchat
@deerwood workload. I have 54 things on my to do list. Looking to work
ianaddison 20:09
for at least 5days of Xmas 'holidays' #ukedchat
#ukedchat teachfirst - the name itself implies you won't do it for the rest of
philallman1 20:09
your working life.
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Creativeedu 20:09 @janwebb21 they saw teachfirst as a stepping stone that would beef up
their CVs for when they went to work in the city. #UKEdChat
@john_at_muuua @colport True. I recently had ex-police student teacher
mr_chadwick 20:09
in my class (not the greatest!) #ukedchat
@colport #ukedchat Sorry should clarify I appreciate how lucky I am to be
Ideas_Factory 20:09
a teacher having worked in crappy jobs for 12 years
@misshbond balance is always a challenge - whether new at it or not!!!!
janwebb21 20:09
#ukedchat
Kattle9 20:09 RT @Creativeedu: tech question - have been recommended twitterfall to

follow #UKEdChat can I write tweets on there too or just read?
misshbond 20:10 @janwebb21 Good thing is I can think about them and know at least I'm
sticking with it! Amazing moments outweigh workload for me #ukedchat
deerwood 20:10 not convinced that working elsewhere before being a teacher is always a
good thing, we need young teachers with fresh ideas too #ukedchat
headteacher01 20:10 trying to support my wife with her workload as Y5 teacher certainly
opened my eyes - far too many tears and negative thoughts #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:10 @CreativeEdu what a shame? #UKEdChat
janwebb21 20:10
@colport @Ideas_Factory I made it out of industry in 2 years!!! #ukedchat
@frogphilp #ukedchat Completely agree-more to do with SMT ineptitude-
Ideas_Factory 20:10
but yes staff dev does come under this.
I do think that people often think working with small children may be an
carolrainbow 20:10
easy option - and fun! Fun yes - easy no... #ukedchat
@dailydenouement Teaching is my 1st 'proper' job, but its what ive
Crosbiei 20:10 always wanted 2 do so happy 2 put up with workload 4 vocation!
#ukedchat
@CreativeEdu Throw a 1:1 degree in front of a class and they can instantly
john_at_muuua 20:10
teach? seriously flawed theory behind that. #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:10 #ukedchat!! not talking about quitting - I know loads who've come back as
adult learners &feel like they're fightinging 4 every day.s work
RT @ianaddison: My friend's done 6years, she's having a baby to have a
philallman1 20:10
year's break #ukedchat < you sure about that?!
#ukedchat Ave age of an NQT now is over 30 so that says something about
philallman1 20:11
retraining rates.
RT @deerwood: not convinced that working elsewhere before being a
Laura_987 20:11 teacher is always a good thing, we need young teachers with fresh ideas
too #ukedchat
@dailydenouement #ukedchat I agree having worked in similiar-like I said
Ideas_Factory 20:11
earlier equiped me for stresses of teaching
@philallman1 Ha Ha! teachfirst... something else later :-) #ukedchat but
john_at_muuua 20:11
seriously, is retention really an issue?
Teachfirst makes little sense to me. by the time they are settled in they're
Creativeedu 20:11
buggering off to become bankers... #UKEdChat
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RT @misshbond: @janwebb21 Good thing is I can think about them and
janwebb21 20:11 know at least I'm sticking with it! Amazing moments outweigh workload
for me #ukedchat
CHAR0ULA 20:11 so much pressure because teachers have to answer to kids,parents,school

leaders,governors the government....#ukedchat
Reteach10 20:11 RT @ianaddison: Looking to work for at least 5days of Xmas 'holidays'
#ukedchat <same but useful to have space and time to think & plan
@Smichael920 @CreativeEdu so what teachfirst successes do we know
janwebb21 20:11
about? #UKEdChat
@philallman1 yes that's right. strikes me as good for the individual maybe
Creativeedu 20:11
but not good for the kids. #UKEdChat
RT @john_at_muuua: Fact is everyone gets fed up with the job at some
janwebb21 20:12 point. Some leave, some don't The real question is do teachers leave more
often #ukedchat
Don't think teachers get professional credit/respect from general public in
mr_chadwick 20:12
same way doctors, nurses, etc do #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:12 @carolrainbow as someone who has spent the last X months being mother
to two chidlren under one I would agree with you there! #UKEdChat
deerwood 20:12 @ianaddison do you have anyone to delegate to? That may be a problem
for teachers as opposed to office work. No one to delegate to #ukedchat
misshbond 20:12 RT @creativeedu: Teachfirst makes little sense to me. by the time they are
settled in they're buggering off to become bankers... #UKEdChat
john_at_muuua 20:12 Fact is everyone gets fed up with the job at some point. Some leave, some
don't The real question is do teachers leave more often #ukedchat
RT @philallman1: #ukedchat often say that I love my job but nowadays
leeandrewdunn 20:12 you HAVE to know its what you want to do. You can't fall into this
profession anymore!
janwebb21 20:12
@misshbond fantastic! amazing moments so important! #ukedchat
@john_at_muuua has anyone got any info about the data on retention
janwebb21 20:12
rates? #ukedchat
Laura_987 20:12 Interesting #ukedchat for #PGCE people tonight.
carolrainbow 20:12 Also I think that the wages are not good at the start - lots of hours, the
hardest time and least money - not a motivating mix #ukedchat
@deerwood I think a mix of staff is a good thing. Life experience is
colport 20:12
essential though. #ukedchat
#ukedchat - everyone is a critic. All went to school so they know how one
philallman1 20:13
functions. Gets to me sometimes too!
@deerwood I'm going to be delegating a lot to the ch. They'll be
ianaddison 20:13
updating+managing website and ICT club #ukedchat
RT @colport: @deerwood I think a mix of staff is a good thing. Life
john_at_muuua 20:13
experience is essential though. #ukedchat
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janwebb21 20:13 RT @mr_chadwick: Don't think teachers get professional credit/respect
from general public in same way doctors, nurses, etc do #ukedchat
Crosbiei 20:13 RT @mr_chadwick: Don't think teachers get professional credit/respect

from general public in same way doctors, nurses, etc do #ukedchat
Reteach10 20:13 RT @carolrainbow: wages are not good at the start #ukedchat <completely
agree! why go into teaching when you could earn more elsewhere!
could it simply be pay that forces people out... you can earn much more
deerwood 20:14
and work less outside teaching #ukedchat (1/2)
colport 20:14 @mikemcsharry and the daily mail #ukedchat
RT @ianaddison: God anyone training to be a teacher will look at
Crosbiei 20:14 #ukedchat and wonder why they're doing it. Cos it's the best job in the
world of course
mr_chadwick 20:14 RT @philallman1: #ukedchat - everyone is a critic. All went to school so

they know how one functions. Gets to me sometimes too! <exactly!
ianaddison 20:14 God anyone training to be a teacher will look at #ukedchat and wonder
why they're doing it. Cos it's the best job in the world of course
RT @dailydenouement: @deerwood I think being a career changer has
janwebb21 20:14 given me resilience & an ability to cope with the extraneous pressure.
#ukedchat
@mr_chadwick professional credit / respect spot on - not helped by
mikemcsharry 20:14
jeremy vine type phone-ins #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:14 @deerwood I think being a career changer has given me resilience & an
ability to cope with the extraneous pressure. #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:14 RT @carolrainbow: I do think that people often think working with small
children may be an easy option - and fun! Fun yes - easy no... #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:15 #ukedchat and wonder why they're doing it. Cos it's the best job in the
world of course
@deerwood Yes you can, but teaching is *pretty* stable versus industry.
colport 20:15
#ukedchat
deerwood 20:15 @frogphilp in that order? #ukedchat
@deerwood But the pay for teaching is still a lot better than some other
Crosbiei 20:15
work. Esp at moment! #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:15 @janwebb21 retention rates. R we assuming that retention is a good

thing? Do I want a burned out 30 to lifer teaching my daughter?#ukedchat
@ianaddison so what are the high points that make people stay? why am I
janwebb21 20:15
still doing it after 21 years? #ukedchat
Laura_987 20:15 @mr_chadwick Agree! People don't realise the 'behind the scenes' jobs
because they've been to school, so 'know' what teachers do. #ukedchat
@ianaddison @deerwood I only have 3 things on my to-do list: Lead,
frogphilp 20:15
Manage, Teach. Easy! #ukedchat
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theteachinggame 20:15 @john_at_muuua #ukedchat I think that it easier to mistake teaching as a
"calling" than most professions.Many soon find out it is not theirs
but then if you joined teaching for the money you perhaps made the
deerwood 20:15
wrong choice! #ukedchat 2/2
janwebb21 20:15 #ukedchat and wonder why they're doing it. Cos it's the best job in the
world of course
@mr_chadwick why do we need respect? Do we become teachers to be
john_at_muuua 20:16
popular? :-) #ukedchat
deerwood 20:16 @colport absolutely agree with you there #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:16 RT @ianaddison: @carolrainbow I was enjoying teaching right from the
beginning, but maybe i'm a workaholic (ok, no maybe about it) #ukedchat
@carolrainbow I was enjoying teaching right from the beginning, but
ianaddison 20:16
maybe i'm a workaholic (ok, no maybe about it) #ukedchat
sellyeve 20:16 RT@deerwood I think being a career changer has given me resilience & an
ability to cope with the extraneous pressure #ukedchat
@Crosbiei not sure pay is always better but job security certainly is!
deerwood 20:16
#ukedchat
carolinebreyley 20:16 @philallman1 #ukedchat Asking from Scotland - isn't it expectation that
teach first will move on to something else after couple of years?
@Crosbiei completely agree - vocation is the key thing and in fact for me
Reteach10 20:16
makes up for any lack of cash #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:16 RT @twfall: Log in on the left and then you can tweet from the 'New
Tweet' link at the top.re twitterfall - recommended for #UKEdChat
@john_at_muuua does longevity mean burnout necessarily!?!! or
janwebb21 20:16
experience, bigger skills base, etc #ukedchat
@ianaddison for those of us that survive the first five years it is - maybe
carolrainbow 20:16
not so at the beginning? Is that the problem? #ukedchat
RT @Reteach10: @Crosbiei completely agree - vocation is the key thing
sellyeve 20:17
and in fact for me makes up for any lack of cash #ukedchat
#ukedchat. don't know many teachers who joined only for money. Money
Catriona_O 20:17
+ hols, different story.......
@carolrainbow that could be a useful plan especially if schools have to
deerwood 20:17
start recruiting and training staff #ukedchat
RT @john_at_muuua: @mr_chadwick why do we need respect? Do we
philallman1 20:17 become teachers to be popular? :-) #ukedchat < because we're human
beings
@dailydenouement might make the job slightly easier if people
Reteach10 20:17 understood more about the job - with respect comes understanding?
#ukedchat
RT @misterel: ..... Great job, no day is the same, challenging, constantly
janwebb21 20:17
learning, fun, good holidays & pretty secure #ukedchat
theteachinggame 20:17 @john_at_muuua @ianaddison I think it's good not to paint teaching as
rosy. Prospectives should know all the facts #ukedchat
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It strikes me from these tweets that teaching is a vocation & people only
Creativeedu 20:17
stay if it's in their heart to do so? #UKEdChat
RT @Reteach10: @Crosbiei vocation is key thing & in fact 4 me makes up 4
Crosbiei 20:17
any lack of cash #ukedchat -> couldnt agree more!
Ideas_Factory 20:17 @deerwood #ukedchat I say differently-once you've been teaching for a
few years & willing to take on responsiblity-pay is much better
carolrainbow 20:17 I wonder if there would be a better retention rate if new teachers
partnered teachers for a year, then 1/2 time on own for a year? #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:17 Do you think teaching is 'sold' properly? Are we unrealistic about the
realities of it? Do we give a true picture to trainees? #ukedchat
anyone who can make it through the crazy #PGCE year should find real
Creativeedu 20:18
teaching a doddle ;-) #UKEdChat
Is there a problem with people being pushed into the profession because
Crosbiei 20:18
there's a view that 'anyone can do it'? #ukedchat
My ex-Head called a colleague 'Maverick', Ofsted gave him a
alxr1 20:18 commendation. Do some SMT's encourage 'maverick' innovators 2 leave?
#ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:18 @Smichael920 #ukedchat Agreed-boils down to crappy teacher training-I

learnt more from my 4 teaching placements than I ever did from uni
misshbond 20:18 RT @creativeedu: It strikes me from these tweets that teaching is a

vocation & people only stay if it's in their heart to do so? #UKEdChat
theteachinggame 20:18 @john_at_muuua @mr_chadwick I think respect is just a general need in

people's lives. It doesn't have to do with popularity #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:18 @janwebb21 never said necessarily (I'm in that crowd), but still, if that's
the choice what would you want? old timer burntout?#ukedchat
mr_chadwick 20:18 @Ideas_Factory I'm sure that's part of it #ukedchat
@ianaddison Yes I did too - some people are born to it - but I think others
carolrainbow 20:18
could learn if supported #ukedchat
@mikemcsharry What do you meant by 'detailed clutter'? #PGCE
Laura_987 20:18
#ukedchat
janwebb21 20:18
@john_at_muuua does populairity = respect? I don't think so! #ukedchat
I do think trainees should be put into schools early and made to work,
ianaddison 20:18
would help separate those that can't manage #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:19
@philallman1 depends on the head, depends on the maverick! #ukedchat
deerwood 20:19 @Ideas_Factory fair point but pay improves wiv responsibility in industry
too. In teaching you may get responsibility without rise #ukedchat
@mr_chadwick #ukedchat Defo different now-pupils valued and play a
Ideas_Factory 20:19
much more involved part in their edu-parents too
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RT @philallman1: RT @alxr1: My ex-Head called a coll 'Maverick',. Do sum
janwebb21 20:19 SMT's encourage 'maverick' innovators 2 leave? #ukedchat < yes they're
threatened
mbrayford 20:19 It makes me smile when they say thank you for teaching me & have
learned something new.Their happy faces make the difference.#ukedchat
@CreativeEdu I don't think it eased off that much after my PGCE year
Crosbiei 20:19
#ukedchat
philallman1 20:19 RT @alxr1: My ex-Head called a coll 'Maverick',. Do sum SMT's encourage
'maverick' innovators 2 leave? #ukedchat < yes they're threatened
cleverfiend 20:19 I suspect a lot of people enter the profession expecting to share their
subject and educate, not to have to manage poor behaviour #ukedchat
RT @Catriona_O: #ukedchat. don't know many teachers who joined only
janwebb21 20:19
for money. Money + hols, different story.......
theotheralig 20:19 I did all sorts jobs before 'returning to teaching'. I wonder how long I would
be able to do it if had more than 13 years to go! #ukedchat
Reteach10 20:20 @cleverfiend so job of the PGCE courses to provide more realistic exp,
help people see whether teaching is for them earlier on? #ukedchat
@Ideas_Factory so is the way forward actually more peer mentoring
janwebb21 20:20
schemes for new teachers? #ukedchat
philallman1 20:20 @colport I'd say no but as a BEd I'm biased ;) #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:20 @janwebb21 do we become teachers for respect then?! both approaches
are in need of psychotherapy. my point is they're irrelevant. #ukedchat
RT @janwebb21: @philallman1 depends on the head, depends on the
philallman1 20:20
maverick! #ukedchat< true - I like it!
colport 20:20 @Crosbiei One of the hardest teaching years was my PGCE - opened my
eyes. Is the PG harder than the B,Ed in that respect? #ukedchat
@Ideas_Factory I learned more in sandwich course placement than uni (a
mikemcsharry 20:20
few yrs ago) - same but different #ukedchat
RT @Ideas_Factory: @Smichael920 #ukedchat Agreed-boils down to
janwebb21 20:20 crappy teacher training-I learnt more from my 4 teaching placements than
I ever did from uni
Clearly the challenge for leaders is to ensure that our staff have the right
headteacher01 20:20
balance of challenge and support #ukedchat
philallman1 20:20 RT @carolinebreyley #ukedchat Asking from Scotland - isn't it exp that
teach 1st will move on 2 something else after couple of years? < yes!
sellyeve 20:20 RT @Creativeedu: anyone who can make it through the crazy #PGCE year
should find real teaching a doddle ;-) #UKEdChat #ukedchat
mr_chadwick 20:20 @john_at_muuua Agree with others, I don't want/need to be popular, but
I deserve credit for the difficult and skilled job I do? #ukedchat
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RT @Missif: ths article suggests that it's dn 2 the (variable) quality of skool
philallman1 20:21
leadership http://j.mp/e6ufHc #ukedchat< all 2 oftn is
@Laura_987 The amount of 'homework' new teachers have to submit
mikemcsharry 20:21 appears amazing. I'd have never got through that AFTER 4yrs uni
#ukedchat
A couple of ch thanked me for working with them today, They didn't need
ianaddison 20:21
to, but it made me smile #ukedchat
deerwood 20:21 @frogphilp I feel your pain #ukedchat
RT @Smichael920: @Ideas_Factory same! Teaching profession has to be
janwebb21 20:21 seen as a creative profession. That's part of teaching college role
#ukedchat
This article suggests that it's down to the (variable) quality of school
MissiF 20:21
leadership http://j.mp/e6ufHc #ukedchat
@Ideas_Factory same! Teaching profession has to be seen as a creative
Smichael920 20:21
profession. That's part of teaching college role #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:21 @john_at_muuua we don't become teachers FOR respect but in order to
do our jobs a certain amount of respect is essential! #ukedchat
Crosbiei 20:21 @colport I did PGCE, which was a crazy year, but just dont feel like ive
stopped since then.Think BEd is slightly less stressful. #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu but can anyone really be fully trained after only 1 year?
deerwood 20:21
better to train everyone for 3 or 4 years? #ukedchat
@deerwood no. At the moment it's Manage (as in 'cope' - just about get
frogphilp 20:21
by) Lead, Teach. #ukedchat
carolrainbow 20:21 @alxr1 My HT, many years ago did, I introduced the internet to the school
in 1995 - she and gave me freedom to experiment #ukedchat
My friends from uni were all on their second job within 5 years, why
Creativeedu 20:21
should teaching be different? #UKEdChat
RT @Creativeedu: @deerwood I think teaching is like driving. Just because
Reteach10 20:22 you've got your license doesn't mean you've stopped learning...
#UKEdChat
esoldaveglasgow 20:22 @john_at_muuua #ukedchat Rtention per se is not good. In fact one bbc
HR chief aimed to increase "churn" to envigorate. Scary, but real.
deerwood 20:22 @ianaddison YES, children and (some) parents can give the best rewards
perhaps new teachers don't stay long enough to see that #ukedchat
Reteach10 20:22 @deerwood 3 or 4 years could be NQT and RQT but that training isn't
necessarily focused enough in day to day of school life #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:22 @deerwood I think teaching is like driving. Just because you've got your
license doesn't mean you've stopped learning... #UKEdChat
RT @misshbond: RT @creativeedu: It strikes me from these tweets that
janwebb21 20:22 teaching is a vocation & people only stay if it's in their heart to do so?
#UKEdChat
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colport 20:22 @philallman1 I thought it may spark reactions like that! LOL! My B'Ed
students don't realise the pace, IMHO #ukedchat (@Crosbiei )
philallman1 20:22 @mikemcsharry @Laura_987 #ukedchat 'meaningless paperwork'
theteachinggame 20:22 @john_at_muuua I just wrote a post on new teacher retention.Think it

goes well with ur comments on the current Ukedchat http://tiny.cc/nujy8
I just don't think either popularity or respect is a reason for us to do this
john_at_muuua 20:22
job. perhaps that's what makes people leave. #ukedchat
RT @carolrainbow: @ianaddison Yes I did too - some people are born to it -
janwebb21 20:22
but I think others could learn if supported #ukedchat
Just poppingin. Moving to a new sch within 3 years can help keep the
TheHeadsOffice 20:22
enthusiasm. #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:22 @deerwood #ukedchat My pay is on a par with my bro who works for a
bank.Only difference is he gets huge 10-20k performance related bonus
theteachinggame 20:23 @john_at_muuua What we need to do is teach teachers how to fill the
needs for respect and popularity outside of the profession. #ukedchat
@Crosbiei are there too many variables for performance related pay? i.e.
Reteach10 20:23
the students themselves! #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu True .. very true ... but I'm sure many drivers got their
deerwood 20:23
licence free with cornflakes! #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:23 @janwebb21 respect from whom? The original thought behind this was
'public/media'. Not children. Not parents. Not management. #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:23
@Ideas_Factory @deerwood but I bet he gets less holiday? #UKEdChat
Catriona_O 20:23 @cleverfiend is there any connection between these? #ukedchat
cleverfiend 20:23 @Reteach10 I try to give my PGCE students a realistic experience in my

school - and point out similarities/differences with others #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:23 @deerwood #ukedchat I'd like us to get paid hourly & keep a 'clock' on
hours we actually work (like solicitors) we'd get a true pay/work
@misshbond @creativeedu isn't that the same for any job/profession!
janwebb21 20:23
#UKEdChat
sellyeve 20:23 RT @janwebb21: we don't become teachers FOR respect but in order to do
our jobs a certain amount of respect is essential! #ukedchat
Is it to do with society now? What was the time for teachers leaving 10
years ago? #ukedchat
@Ideas_Factory With all the emphasis on our performance, should we get
Crosbiei 20:23
performance-related bonuses as well? #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:24 @esoldaveglasgow interesting concept. but the problem is that school
managers create the churn by bad management not planning #ukedchat
deerwood 20:24 @Ideas_Factory I'd like teachers to get Council Tax reduction if live in same
LA as, in effect, they're paying their own wages #ukedchat
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RT @asober: like to tnk I went into teaching 'cause that was my vocation
janwebb21 20:24 and I wanted to make a positive difference in the lives of my pupils!
#ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:24 RT @mr_chadwick: What's different about us then? Why do we stay and
love it? (and share ideas at 8pm on Thurs night!!) #ukedchat
@cleverfiend really good to hear - i am a mentor too. not sure the
Reteach10 20:24
experience is consistent across the board for PGCErs #ukedchat
@Reteach10 But its usually seen as us not doing our job properly, rather
Crosbiei 20:24
than variance in pupils. #ukedchat
philallman1 20:24 #ukedchat Past 20 yrs has seen shift in expectation. We R seen far more as
social workers, counsellors, panacea 4 societal ills than evr
asober 20:24 like to tnk I went into teaching 'cause that was my vocation and I wanted
to make a positive difference in the lives of my pupils! #ukedchat
@janwebb21 #ukedchat Way forward is for practising Teachers to teach
Ideas_Factory 20:24
graduates not has beens that having taught for years
RT @misshbond: I teach because I can inspire and watch children learn and
mr_chadwick 20:24 achieve every day. I know sometimes it's hard work. But I'm staying :0)
#ukedchat
janwebb21 20:24 RT @mr_chadwick: What's different about us then? Why do we stay and
love it? (and share ideas at 8pm on Thurs night!!) #ukedchat
@Crosbiei How can you judge performance when it is all about the
TheHeadsOffice 20:24 performance of children who do not fit a mould!
#ukedchat@Ideas_Factory
RT @theotheralig: I did all sorts jobs before 'returning to teaching'. I
janwebb21 20:24 wonder how long I would be able to do it if had more than 13 years to go!
#ukedchat
misshbond 20:24 I teach because I can inspire and watch children learn and achieve every
day. I know sometimes it's hard work. But I'm staying :0) #ukedchat
What's different about us then? Why do we stay and love it? (and share
mr_chadwick 20:24
ideas at 8pm on Thurs night!!) #ukedchat
RT @ianaddison: yesterday 90 KS1 ch had a skype chat with santa. Seeing
asober 20:25 the look on their faces made it all worthwhile. THAT is why we do it
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:25
Maybe churn is a good thing, only the strong survive??? #UKEdChat
@Crosbiei completely agree - FFT rules rather than a real understanding of
Reteach10 20:25
the students themselves! #ukedchat
#ukedchat would be interesting to know if schools lose more teachers who
JaneWoods3 20:25
trained via 1yr PGCE or 4yr BA/ B.Ed. Anyone know?
@Ideas_Factory isn't that the new model for ITT that is being proposed by
janwebb21 20:25
gov? #ukedchat
ianaddison 20:25 yesterday 90 KS1 ch had a skype chat with santa. Seeing the look on their
faces made it all worthwhile. THAT is why we do it #ukedchat
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Employment security is mostly very good in public sector, but this can
esoldaveglasgow 20:25
allow a lack of rigour in appraising effectiveness. #ukedchat
@TheHeadsOffice You cant. But so rarely is that individuality taken into
Crosbiei 20:25
consideration anyway! #ukedchat
colport 20:25 Performance Related Pay? How do we measure one teachers

performance? SATs? Formative Assessment? Poisoned chalice #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:25 achieve every day. I know sometimes it's hard work. But I'm staying :0)
#ukedchat
carolrainbow 20:25 RT @Ideas_Factory: @deerwood Id like us to get paid hourly & keep a
clock on hours we actually work then wed get a true pay/work #ukedchat
@philallman1 @mikemcsharry Oh yes, the paperwork is mental!
Laura_987 20:25
#ukedchat
@janwebb21 No I don't think so, some jobs you might do just for money or
Creativeedu 20:25
just for worklife balance etc #UKEdChat
@Catriona_O I think there is a link - good teachers don't plan explicitly for
cleverfiend 20:26
behaviour - they plan for the students #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:26 RT @JaneWoods3: #ukedchat would be interesting to know if schools lose

more teachers who trained via 1yr PGCE or 4yr BA/ B.Ed. Anyone know?
colport 20:26
@Crosbiei It then begs the question of the quality of that work! #ukedchat
@deerwood #ukedchat That is genius idea-discounts for council services
Ideas_Factory 20:26
etc
I did 2yrs at the LA, they wanted 9-5. I work 7:30tilwhenever, my
ianaddison 20:26
timesheet looked a mess.... #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:26 achieve every day. I know sometimes it's hard work. But I'm staying :0)
#ukedchat
mr_chadwick 20:26 the look on their faces made it all worthwhile. THAT is why we do it
#ukedchat
mikemcsharry 20:26 @JaneWoods3 what about SCITT to compare? #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:26 RT @deerwood: @CreativeEdu but can anyone really be fully trained after
only 1 year? better to train everyone for 3 or 4 years? #ukedchat
carolrainbow 20:26 RT @deerwood Id like teachers to get Council Tax reduction if live in same
LA as, in effect, - paying their own wages - Great idea #ukedchat
RT @deerwood: @Ideas_Factory I'd like teachers to get Council Tax
Ideas_Factory 20:26 reduction if live in same LA as, in effect, they're paying their own wages
#ukedchat
RT @Reteach10: @cleverfiend so job of the PGCE courses to provide more
janwebb21 20:26 realistic exp, help people see whether teaching is for them earlier on?
#ukedchat
misshbond 20:26 @janwebb21 Definitely. But we're a bit biased ;0) #ukedchat
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TheHeadsOffice 20:26 the look on their faces made it all worthwhile. THAT is why we do it
#ukedchat
Crosbiei 20:26 @colport Number of hours worked? #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:26 @theteachinggame please explain that idea #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:27 #ukedchat are people more likely to stay in the profession if there is a
culture of shared practice in a school? peer mentoring etc?
@politicsteacher #ukedchat I try to do this - call it 'the bubble' - sometimes
philallman1 20:27
'reallife' bursts it!
Crosbiei 20:27 @colport vry tru. But then just b/c a class doesnt get gd overall SATs
results, does that mean the teacher is doin a gd job? #ukedchat
Is there some connection between length of staying & type of training? Do
lecturuers know what happens in sch? #ukedchat
RT @philallman1: #ukedchat luv my job b/c I do something that rlly
mr_chadwick 20:27 matters. Kids deserve the best & I try 2 make my skool a place whr they R
1st
#ukedchat luv my job b/c I do something that rlly matters. Kids deserve the
philallman1 20:27
best & I try 2 make my skool a place whr they R 1st
politicsteacher 20:27 don't think teaching has embraced flexible working (it is difficult to
adminster) but that is why some parents leave teaching #ukedchat
So could renegotiating terms and conditions of service help retain
deerwood 20:27
teachers? #ukedchat
Reteach10 20:27 @misshbond: possibly the only reason to teach! #ukedchat
RT @deerwood: RT @philallman1: #ukedchat luv my job b/c I do
janwebb21 20:28 something that rlly matters. < that's something we should all remember..
teachers or not
@CreativeEdu Maybe churn is a good thing, only the committed, talented,
john_at_muuua 20:28
inspired survive??? #ukedchat
deerwood 20:28 RT @philallman1: #ukedchat luv my job b/c I do something that rlly
matters. < that's something we should all remember.. teachers or not
colport 20:28 @Crosbiei Precisely...no! There are too many variables #ukedchat
its got something to do with the mindset and dedicattion of the teacher
CHAR0ULA 20:28
#ukedchat
bw_clark 20:28 #ukedchat after 11 years teaching I was seconded to #LTS #consolarium.
Great experience & gives fresh perspective on my own teaching.
Reteach10 20:28 @politicsteacher technology certainly offers education that flexibility -

perhaps introduced in 6th form before ks4/3 #ukedchat
@reteach10 Apart from all the idiots who think they want to because of
misshbond 20:28
the holidays! #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:28 @janwebb21 #ukedchat Not sure about new ITT Jan-all I know is they need
a complete overhall-Why teach Lit classics but no SEN procedures-mad
#ukedchat same job in different LA's - does it have an effect - LA
philallman1 20:29
pressures?
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@misshbond can't help feeling that they don't understand the job or
Reteach10 20:29
teacher's intentions #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu That can be true but I think a teacher needs to stay around
deerwood 20:29
for a while to see that, it's not an instant effect #ukedchat
Crosbiei 20:29 @CHAR0ULA Shoudl we not aim to just get dedicated teachers into the
profession. Isnt that pretty much vital to being a gd teacher? #ukedchat
colport 20:29 RT @john_at_muuua: Maybe churn is a good thing, only the committed,
talented, inspired survive??? #ukedchat <~Nicely put :-)
#ukedchat Maybe with constant new initiatives 5 yrs is the point where
Arakwai 20:29
new teachers figure it doesn't get any easier.
cleverfiend 20:29 @TheHeadsOffice my experience is that the lecturers of my PGCE students

only left teaching recently - but in a few years... ?? #ukedchat
misshbond 20:29 @janewoods3 Good question... #ukedchat
RT @bw_clark: #ukedchat after 11 years teaching I was seconded to #LTS
janwebb21 20:29 #consolarium. Great experience & gives fresh perspective on my own
teaching.
Think before you post online http://bit.ly/hIGPLM #edchat #edtech
briankotts 20:29
#eduswe #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:30 RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat Variety is spice of life-more teachers would

stay if limited time of 4 years per school was put into place
Creativeedu 20:30 @clivebuckley loving your cynicism! #UKEdChat
carolrainbow 20:30 RT @Arakwai: Maybe with constant new initiatives 5 yrs on new teachers
figure it doesnt get any easier. Very good point! #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:30 RT @clivebuckley:RT @CreativeEdu: Maybe churn is a good thing, only the
strong survive??? #UKEdChat Or those that cannot get work elsewhere!
#ukedchat left teaching twice but keep coming back. Miss the joy of
GaryH2UK 20:30
working with the kids - but don't tell them I said that!
RT @philallman1: #ukedchat same job in different LA's - does it have an
Crosbiei 20:30
effect - LA pressures? -> Or LA restrictions!
#ukedchat Variety is spice of life-more teachers would stay if limited time
Ideas_Factory 20:30
of 4 years per school was put into place
RT @john_at_muuua: why do we need teacher retention? #ukedchat<
philallman1 20:30
have you not seen the statistics?
janwebb21 20:30
RT @john_at_muuua: why do we need teacher retention? #ukedchat
Tree_Of 20:30 #ukedchat i know a few teachers who joined for wrong reason. They felt it
was last option cos no jobs available in original choice of career
kbrechin 20:30 The year for Nqt's is an inverted bell where they start well, have a long dip
then pull up again. Does it level out with years? #ukedchat
@Reteach10 but some schools have that physically - we have that through
janwebb21 20:30
this pln and #ukedchat!!!
john_at_muuua 20:30 why do we need teacher retention? #ukedchat
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#ukedchat surely every teacher chooses teaching to make a difference,
Tree_Of 20:31
inspire, motivate and educate?!... #notsosure
TheHeadsOffice 20:31 @Reteach10 Why don't they use staffroom? #ukedchat
retention and time limiting - most have seen cons and pros of that- really
mikemcsharry 20:31
KNOW your area etc vs. retired on job #ukedchat
#ukedchat secondment and paid sabbaticals were commonplace 30 years
philallman1 20:31
ago - did this keep people in the profession
@janwebb21 ah i work in a school where discussions are happening to
Reteach10 20:31 question whether we need a staffroom anymore as no1 goes there
#ukedchat
@Tree_Of I know ppl who have been told to go into teaching becos they
Crosbiei 20:31
didnt know what else to do! #ukedchat
colport 20:31
@Ideas_Factory Wow, that would mix it up....like the idea #ukedchat
I've been a teacher for 13 yrs & I'm still learning how to do the job. That's
MissiF 20:31
why it's hard & that's why I love it! #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:31 RT @mr_chadwick: What's different about us then? Why do we stay & love
it? (& share ideas) #ukedchat to some it's a job, others a vocation
janwebb21 20:31 RT @GaryH2UK: #ukedchat left teaching twice but keep coming back. Miss
the joy of working with the kids - but don't tell them I said that!
@CreativeEdu #ukedchat I still get more holidays than him but even taking
Ideas_Factory 20:32
that into account he still earns more with Bonus
@colport @ideas_factory #ukedchat I have a similar unspoken agreement
Crosbiei 20:32
with myself!
@Reteach10 #ukedchat @guyshearer uses that sort of model witin his
janwebb21 20:32
school
Creativeedu 20:32 @colport it works a bit like that in Japan.You just get moved by the powers
that be when they need you elsewhere, you have no say! #UKEdChat
@Ideas_Factory There's a lot to be said for that ... changing schools
deerwood 20:32
exposes you to new ideas and approaches #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:32
@ianaddison #ukedchat Wouldn't work as too easily open to fraud etc
@Crosbiei And then there are others (like me) who fall into it by accident!
bevevans22 20:32
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:33
@ideas_factory but I bet you have a better sense of well being! #UKEdChat
Ideas_Factory 20:33 #ukedchat Taking Variety a stage further-How about making teachers work
at least once in an inner-city school before they've finished 10 yrs
carolrainbow 20:33 @philallman1 I think it helped - people could go and do something

different for a year - recharge batteries etc - ready to return #ukedchat
#ukedchat Do some survive because they work in schools that suit their
alxr1 20:33
own education/social background? @colport
@reteach10 Reckon they must make up a large majority of those who fall
misshbond 20:33
by the wayside within 5 years! #ukedchat
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@TheHeadsOffice @Reteach10 I sat down in the staffroom for 2minutes
ianaddison 20:33
today, first time in over a week #ukedchat
@Crosbiei @CreativeEdu It doesn't seem that easy here. Tough comp for
colport 20:33
jobs, and jobs set aside for known applicants #ukedchat
mr_chadwick 20:33 @Ideas_Factory Interesting idea about variety. Not sure I totally agree
with max term; what about secondment opps more available? #ukedchat
@Missif I like that! We are learners too! We mustn't forget it, or we will
asober 20:33
stop striving for greater learning #ukedchat
Reteach10 20:33 @TheHeadsOffice size of the site (nrly 0.25 miles between my rm & stfrm)
& each dept has own office/stfrm. people just stay there #ukedchat
@bevevans22 And has it turned out to be the right place for you?
Crosbiei 20:33
#ukedchat
#ukedchat Life is very hard for new teachers, suoervision, inspection.
jimbo9848 20:33
Drudgery and the notion of working very long hours
asober 20:34 RT @janwebb21: @Missif I'm still learning after 21 years!!! it's attitude to
new ideas etc that revives, refreshes, revitalises #ukedchat
@Crosbiei My point is, there are many hidden agendas with job adverts
colport 20:34
#ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:34
@CreativeEdu #ukedchat and I have the higher moral ground of course :^)
GaryAveryICT 20:34 @Ideas_Factory I took a year out to help consult with ICT for private
schools.Missed having my own class and single place of work. #ukedchat
@Missif I'm still learning after 21 years!!! it's attitude to new ideas etc that
janwebb21 20:34
revives, refreshes, revitalises #ukedchat
alxr1 20:34 RT @Tree_Of: #ukedchat surely every teacher chooses teaching to make a
difference, inspire, motivate and educate?!... #notsosure
TheHeadsOffice 20:34 @mr_chadwick Like the idea of secondment. Often if the 'other side of the
fence' is seen it makes things a little more objective #ukedchat
@carolrainbow that's my point carol. Do we get ground down and need
philallman1 20:34
time to remember why we're doing it? #ukedchat
@alxr1 Oh yes...I have a few colleagues who have stayed and lives around
colport 20:34
the school for 10-15 years. Will not go! #ukedchat
@colport #ukedchat Then u need to find a way to set urself apart from the
Crosbiei 20:34
rest of the 'rabble'!
@Crosbiei Yes - but I am aware that I'm seen as 'not like the others'. Not
bevevans22 20:34
that it's ever bothered me :) #ukedchat
#ukedchat we need flexibility for teachers, 7 period days so you can earn
jimbo9848 20:35
days off, much less planning required as norm as well
@ianaddison @TheHeadsOffice good man -i am a big fan of 1 central
Reteach10 20:35 staffroom. you share so many more ideas not just subject based!
#ukedchat
Think if i'd have carried on much longer at that point I'd have got
RealLara 20:35
disillusioned and left for good #ukedchat
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@GaryAveryICT #ukedchat But the change obviously made you realise that
Ideas_Factory 20:35
you enjoyed being at the chalkface-bingo!
Do people leave more now than they used to. A bit like how it's 'okay' to
Creativeedu 20:35
get divorced nowadays? #UKEdChat
RT @bevevans22: @ianaddison I don't go in the staffroom unless there's a
john_at_muuua 20:35
meeting there at the end of the day...#ukedchat ditto
philallman1 20:35 @reallara consultancy - #darkside #ukedchat :)
Crosbiei 20:35 @colport Very true. #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu I thought it would happen within an agreed radius
colport 20:35
#ukedchat
esoldaveglasgow 20:35 @john_at_muuua Agree. I don't advocate churning, but it does take
creative leadership to prevent complacency in staffrooms.#ukedchat
@janwebb21 totally agree. Years in the job and I'm as fresh as yesterday
john_at_muuua 20:35
but better experienced. #ukedchat
RT @philallman1: #ukedchat I learn new things everyday. Someone will
janwebb21 20:35 find out one day I don't have all the answers!!! #goingtogetfoundout
#ukedchat
@ianaddison I don't go in the staffroom unless there's a meeting there at
bevevans22 20:35
the end of the day...#ukedchat
philallman1 20:35 #ukedchat I learn new things everyday. Someone will find out one day I
don't have all the answers!!! #goingtogetfoundout #ukedchat
RealLara 20:35 I think it helps to have a career break quite early on. I did 5 years then dud
consultancy work for 3 years before returning #ukedchat
@bevevans22 Thats good. Teachers who never planned to be teachers
Crosbiei 20:35
add a different dimension to the team! #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:35 @colport not necessarily a good thing, you can get sent hundreds of miles
away to a new school and just have to start a new life! #UKEdChat
Reteach10 20:36 @jimbo9848 the google model of working is a brilliant one if it could be
applied to teachers and teaching (impractical?) #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:36 @philallman1 consultancy=#darkside?! #ukedchat
@mr_chadwick #ukedchat Love secondment idea-I did my NPQH
Ideas_Factory 20:36 placement in secondary-just to widen my exp & see if they did things
differently
@CreativeEdu that's ironic, did you know at one time (not too long ago)
deerwood 20:36
teachers were not allowed to get married? #ukedchat
@Ideas_Factory yep, got fed up suggesting things to do, wanted to try
GaryAveryICT 20:36
them myself.. #ukedchat
@bevevans22 i go to get tea, but never have chance to sit down - i find
ianaddison 20:36
break/lunch a great time to work #ukedchat
@bevevans22 Some staffroom can just create negativity that does not
help! #ukedchat
@john_at_muuua it's about being comfortable with being out of our
janwebb21 20:36
comfort zone that helps us grow as professionals! #ukedchat
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carolrainbow 20:36 @philallman1 Yes I think you have hit on a very important point there - I
had forgotten all about them -remember people enthused #ukedchat
RT @RealLara: Really important to change schools or have chance to
TheHeadsOffice 20:37 observe in other schools. Need to see there are different approaches
#ukedchat
#ukedchat -more than half way through and some tremendous points
janwebb21 20:37
being made
asober 20:37 I am on secondment now and I have learnt a lot already 'cause I have time
to reflect on my practice and Philosophy of learning #ukedchat
colport 20:37 @deerwood Is there? Where? #ukedchat ;-)
RT @deerwood: Perhaps teachers leave the profession because they
philallman1 20:37
discover there is life beyond school #ukedchat< there is?! :)
#ukedchat I began teaching degree at 18 yrs of age. First piece of advice i
Tree_Of 20:37
was given from a headteacher "dont smile till xmas"....
Creativeedu 20:37 I don't teach but I moved out of education and back in again quite early on.
The career break made me more motivated+fresh ideas #UKEdChat
RealLara 20:37 Really important to change schools or have chance to observe in other
schools. Need to see there are different approaches #ukedchat
jowinchester 20:37 @ianaddison I love the idea that nonparents have that ayear with a baby is
a break - some thongs we all have to learn the hard way #ukedchat
Perhaps teachers leave the profession because they discover there is life
deerwood 20:37
beyond school #ukedchat
Govt assume loss of 25% of BEd trainees compared with 11% PGCE. (Not
sellyeve 20:37
very recent data) #ukedchat
@Joga5 Would that lose the personal approach that primary schools can
colport 20:37
offer? #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:38
@GaryAveryICT #ukedchat There is a certain freedom being a teacher!
Creativeedu 20:38 @jimbo9848 the google model of working is a brilliant one if it could be
applied to teachers and teaching (impractical?) #ukedchat <agree
@asober Maybe 'secondments' should be made a requirement within
colport 20:38
teaching to help broaden pedagogy? #ukedchat
deerwood 20:38 @Ideas_Factory I know ... oops! #ukedchat
@Ideas_Factory Brilliant, that's the sort of thing I mean. Some may need
mr_chadwick 20:38
more of a nudge though!! #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu I've retired but still have to have at least a daily education
fix! #ukedchat
jodieworld 20:38 #ukedchat the only redeeming feature of over-inspection is weeding out
teachers who have no true desire to inspire and actually educate!
RT @john_at_muuua: @janwebb21 teacher training is continuous. Not just
janwebb21 20:38 PGCE year. surely everyone therefore has the right to say 'no' and leave.
#ukedchat
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@ianaddison @TheHeadsOffice Our's is too busy. I eat lunch in a quieter
bevevans22 20:38
room . I can discuss/meet with no distractions #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:38 @deerwood really? why? #UKEdChat
Easy xmas baubles for all ages.. http://bit.ly/fN0NpH #crafts #ukedchat
redtedart 20:38
#teachpreschool #artchat
philallman1 20:38 RT @Tree_Of: #ukedchat < tempted to use a rude word here!>First piece
of advice i was given from a headteacher "dont smile till xmas"....
Reteach10 20:38 RT @carolrainbow: staffrooms can really support teachers who are
struggling though - keep them upbeat and offer help, ideas etc #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:38 @deerwood #ukedchat Even now relationships between colleagues is

frowned upon and is still a sacking offence in some church schools
john_at_muuua 20:38 @janwebb21 teacher training is continuous. Not just PGCE year. surely
everyone therefore has the right to say 'no' and leave. #ukedchat
@Tree_Of And did u manage it. I never have been able to get passed the
Crosbiei 20:38
1st week. Love working with kids! #ukedchat
Reteach10 20:38 @reallara there is a movement to go on 'learning journeys' between

schools. not sure if that is up and running in our lea yer #ukedchat
staffrooms can really support teachers who are struggling though - keep
carolrainbow 20:38
them upbeat and offer help, ideas etc #ukedchat
Reteach10 20:39 @bevevans22: @ianaddison @TheHeadsOffice Ours was like the grave!
pros & cons for each i suppose! the tas use it as an office now #ukedchat
cleverfiend 20:39 Are there any careers that compliment teaching - perhaps where we could
see two way movement to aid recruitment & relieve pressure #ukedchat
#ukedchat Hard Question? Why aren't yr lessons for the term all on the
jimbo9848 20:39
VLE and yr wiki on Jan 1st? Then you manage the learning.
@deerwood I think they leave because they cannot balance life beyond
john_at_muuua 20:39
school with life in school. #ukedchat work/life balance
RT @bevevans22: RT @carolrainbow: staffrooms can support teachers
janwebb21 20:39 who are struggling though - keep them upbeat & offer help, ideas etc
#ukedchat <-true
@CreativeEdu If they married they would not be able to give time to the
deerwood 20:39
job #ukedchat
@john_at_muuua ALL have quality cpd experiences and support
janwebb21 20:39
#ukedchat
alxr1 20:39 RT @sellyeve: loss of 25% of BEd trainees compared with 11% PGCE.
#ukedchat > Are 18yr olds not as good at career decisions as 22yr olds?
bevevans22 20:39 RT @carolrainbow: staffrooms can support teachers who are struggling
though - keep them upbeat & offer help, ideas etc #ukedchat <-true
If I started in my current school no way I would have stuck it out as an NQT
Natty08 20:39
#UKedchat
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jowinchester 20:39 #ukedchat many teachers have a break do something else & return with
more experience - it's a good thing & not a new idea :Baudelaire
RT @deerwood: So could renegotiating terms and conditions of service
scholasticuk 20:39
help retain teachers? #ukedchat
jodieworld 20:39 #ukedchat Sir Tim Brighouse Keynote speech at LGFL conference 2009 -
never stay in same role more than 5 years. Some red faces in THAT room!
janwebb21 20:39 @john_at_muuua absolutely agree about ongoing cpd - but if we don't
want to lose highly skillful professionals we need to ensure.. #ukedchat
Top Three Must Reads For Graduate Students Â« Virtual School
MoodleMcKean 20:39 Meanderings http://bit.ly/ibMCno #pgce #ntchat #edtech #elearning
#ukedchat
bevevans22 20:40 @McDroll @ianaddison In a big school like mine there are up to 20/30 in
there. People tend to sit in little groups anyway #ukedchat
factors affecting teachers' decisions to leave teaching http://bit.ly/g0NIHc
sellyeve 20:40
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:40 but are you 'normal' ;-) @TheHeadsOffice #UKEdChat
mikemcsharry 20:40
@TheHeadsOffice should teachers 'second' elsewhere? #ukedchat
@Reteach10 We've had 'learning walks' but out of school hours so not as
RealLara 20:40
useful #ukedchat
RT @TheHeadsOffice: Would schools welcome secondments? Is it
philallman1 20:40
'manageable'? #ukedchat< yes if it was universal
RT @TheHeadsOffice: Would schools welcome secondments? Is it
scholasticuk 20:40
'manageable'? #ukedchat
asober 20:40 @colport that might be a good, but it needs to be linked to Learning and
Teaching!?! Could it be on something not related to Ed? #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:40 RT @alxr1: #ukedchat Do some survive because they work in schools that
suit their own education/social background? @colport
Ideas_Factory 20:40 @mr_chadwick #ukedchat There's the rub-if a statutory thing teachers
would have to do it-most dont like change and happy to stay & stagnate
Creativeedu 20:40 @Ideas_Factory @deerwood good job it doesn't apply at our office, we're
all married to each other! (I married in to be fair...) #UKEdChat
Would schools welcome secondments? Is it 'manageable'? #ukedchat
I am still where I started as a GTP 8 Years ago (minus the year out)
GaryAveryICT 20:40
#ukedchat
deerwood 20:40 @mikemcsharry yes, I agree like a closed loop #ukedchat
Reteach10 20:41 @reallara should be in school time to give msg of whole school
development not just those who want to in their own time! #ukedchat
Crosbiei 20:41 @Tree_Of I completely agree! #ukedchat
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john_at_muuua 20:41 @janwebb21 but at the same time everyone, no matter how highly skilled,
has a right to leave. Forcing people to stay is worse #ukedchat
@mikemcsharry I bet we will have to if outstanding schools take over
GaryAveryICT 20:41
struggling ones. #ukedchat
@Crosbiei i refused to take the advice on board!! Its the worst advice i've
Tree_Of 20:41
ever heard #ukedchat
If staffrooms can support or deter it must be down to school ethos /
environment #ukedchat
@reallara learning walks OUTSDIE SCHOOL HOURS - oxymoron surely?
philallman1 20:41
#ukedchat
@john_at_muuua excellent point! #ukedchat work/life balance is
deerwood 20:41
important and difficult for many teachers
RT @GaryAveryICT: I am still where I started as a GTP 8 Years ago (minus
jimbo9848 20:41
the year out) #ukedchat try Tomorrow's Heads!
RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat Taking Variety a stage further-How about
janwebb21 20:41 making teachers work at least once in an inner-city school before they've
finished 10 yrs
CPD - however it comes - with or without secondment is crucial though -
carolrainbow 20:41
lack of only leads to frustration #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:42 Maybe the problem goes back further, maybe #PGCE screening isn't good
enough and unsuitable candidates are being trained? #UKEdChat
RT @TheHeadsOffice: If staffrooms can support or deter it must be down
Reteach10 20:42
to school ethos / environment #ukedchat <SO TRUE!
RT @colport: @Joga5 I think having 1 teacher is important in primaries to
janwebb21 20:42 develop relationship...for parents and pupils. I take your point tho
#ukedchat
Crosbiei 20:42 RT @janwebb21: RT @CliveBuckley: The day you start thinking you are a
really good teacher you start being a poor one #ukedchat
colport 20:42 @Joga5 I think having 1 teacher is important in primaries to develop

relationship...for parents and pupils. I take your point tho #ukedchat
RT @CliveBuckley: The day you start thinking you are a really good teacher
janwebb21 20:42
you start being a poor one #ukedchat
sellyeve 20:42
to school ethos / environment #ukedchat
mooshtang 20:42 #ukedchat I don't think it's fair when people criticise the PGCE. I did a
psychology degree and have a good grounding in theories of ....
RT @TeacherTalks: @schoolduggery New blog-post: Is Michael Gove a
MrColleyStMarys 20:42 control freak? http://bit.ly/eEBuRD #ukedchat Please read and RT if of
interest
Reteach10 20:42 RT @mooshtang: #ukedchat theories of learning etc. Having studied

another degree subject can bring lots of skills and useful qualities
Ideas_Factory 20:42
to school ethos / environment #ukedchat
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RT @Reteach10: @ianaddison @TheHeadsOffice good man -i am a big fan
janwebb21 20:42 of 1 central staffroom. you share so many more ideas not just subject
based! #ukedchat
RT @philallman1: @reallara learning walks OUTSDIE SCHOOL HOURS -
Ideas_Factory 20:42
oxymoron surely? #ukedchat
philallman1 20:43 RT @carolrainbow: & skool ethos etc is mostly dn 2 the head & SMT - so
much is on the shuolders of the leaders #ukedchat <agreed
Reteach10 20:43 @CreativeEdu is this because some (not all) PGCE courses are too subject
focused and don't take account of teaching as well? #ukedchat
#ukedchat learning etc. Doing a diff undergrad deg can bring useful skills
mooshtang 20:43
and qualities to teaching. BEd is not the only way!
RealLara 20:43
@NickiA10 I think PGCE and GTP give better idea of workload #ukedchat
It seems CPD is one of the issues here. As a CPD provider, how can I help?
Creativeedu 20:43
Very keen to.... #UKEdChat
carolrainbow 20:43 @TheHeadsOffice and school ethos etc is mostly down to the head and
SMT - so much is on the shuolders of the leaders #ukedchat
JamiePortman 20:43 New Blog Post:
A nursery child smiles on average 374 times per day. An adult.... 11
Tree_Of 20:43
#ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:43 RT @CreativeEdu: but are you 'normal' ;-) @TheHeadsOffice #UKEdChat >I
thought you were my friend & promised not to tell! ;)
jimbo9848 20:43 RT @carolrainbow: NHS has stautory annual training in handling, finance,
reporting and maintaining skills. Time that teachers did? #ukedchat
jowinchester 20:44 #ukedchat srcondments should not be in schools we rusk an overly insular
& naval-gazing outlook if we've never seen anything outside school
john_at_muuua 20:44 RT @philallman1: RT @reallara: @NickiA10 I think PGCE and GTP give
better idea of workload #ukedchat< totally agree and I'm a BEd!
@CreativeEdu I'd like CPD for my SLT that I cannot implement quickly
GaryAveryICT 20:44
every new idea they set their heart on #ukedchat :o)
Crosbiei 20:44 @CreativeEdu #ukedchat Isnt it a bit ridiculous 2 choose PGCE cands on
degree level when own ability 2 study does not relate 2 teach others?
bevevans22 20:44 @Joga5 @colport We tend to have classes but also teachers working to
their strengths (e.g. music specialist covers all KS2 music) #ukedchat
RT @CliveBuckley: The day you start thinking you are a really good teacher
Creativeedu 20:44
you start being a poor one #ukedchat
misshbond 20:44 RT @theheadsoffice: If staffrooms can support or deter it must be down 2

schl ethos/environment #ukedchat <-- I've found this to be true.
RT @reallara: @NickiA10 I think PGCE and GTP give better idea of
philallman1 20:44
workload #ukedchat< totally agree and I'm a BEd!
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RT @colport: @Joga5 Would that lose the personal approach that primary
janwebb21 20:44
schools can offer? #ukedchat
deerwood 20:44 RT @CliveBuckley: The day you start thinking you are a really good teacher
you start being a poor one #ukedchat < or time to prove it!
TheHeadsOffice 20:44 RT @janwebb21: RT @CliveBuckley: The day you start thinking you are a
really good teacher you start being a poor one #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:44 @Tree_Of but adults know the punchline. :-) #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:44 @Ideas_Factory secondment 0 whatever type - gives much deeper insight!
have found that from visiting diff schools! #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:45 RT @philallman1: RT @deerwood: Perhaps teachers leave the profession

because they discover there is life beyond school #ukedchat< there is?! :)
RT @carolrainbow: @jimbo9848 Schools have inset days - but often they
Crosbiei 20:45 seem to be schoolwide when maybe teachers need very specific personal
training #ukedchat
stevebunce 20:45 RT @JamiePortman: New Blog Post:
jimbo9848 20:45
#ukedchat Why worry? Free schools can emply anyone with zero training.
RT @bevevans22: We tend 2 have classes but also teachers wrkn 2 their
philallman1 20:45
strengths #ukedchat< my plan for next year!
@jimbo9848 Schools have inset days - but often they seem to be
carolrainbow 20:45 schoolwide when maybe teachers need very specific personal training
#ukedchat
@deerwood #ukedchat but it's often having a life beyond school that
janwebb21 20:45
makes us a better teacher!!!
#ukedchat Plus I want to go and do my Ed Psych doctorate at some point
mooshtang 20:45
and couldn't have done that with BEd.
siavogel 20:45 RT @deerwood Why do teachers leave the profession, perhaps because
they're no longer treated like profs http://bit.ly/i1huom #ukedchat #yam
Creativeedu 20:45 RT @carolrainbow: NHS has stautory annual training in handling, finance,
reporting and maintaining skills. Time that teachers did? #ukedchat
@Tree_Of #ukedchat I may smile 11 times but I laugh 374 times (especially
Ideas_Factory 20:45
at that made up stat)
I blogged about why I love teaching only this week! http://bit.ly/6j8ml3
thedippyhippy 20:46
#ukedchat
ToddAHoffman 20:46 RT @Creativeedu: RT @colport: Join @janwebb21 for #ukedchat "Why do

so many new teachers leave within 5 years and how we can reduce drain?"
RT @Creativeedu: Maybe the problem goes back further, maybe #PGCE
jowinchester 20:46 screening isn't good enough and unsuitable candidates are being trained?
#UKEdChat
@carolrainbow #ukedchat NHS also has supervision which makes
jimbo9848 20:46
performance management look so ill-conceived!!
Do colleges lose money if students leave before the end of the course?
They seem reluctant to fail unsuitable types. #ukedchat
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janwebb21 20:46 @asober me too! #ukedchat
RealLara 20:46 @philallman1 Teachers can learn too!! Just a flavour of how things
worked, chance to discuss, learning environment. Whole cluster #ukedchat
RT @Smichael920: Important 4 teachers 2 get out of the classroom &c
Reteach10 20:46 what others r doing in theirs. We can make more of this 2 support new
staff#ukedchat
RT @Smichael920: Important 4 teachers 2 get out of the classroom &c
janwebb21 20:46 what others r doing in theirs. We can make more of this 2 support new
staff#ukedchat
RT @Tree_Of: A nursery child smiles on average 374 times per day. An
Creativeedu 20:46
adult.... 11 #ukedchat <and a teacher?!??!
Smichael920 20:46 Important 4 teachers 2 get out of the classroom &c what others r doing in
theirs. We can make more of this 2 support new staff#ukedchat
Reteach10 20:46 seem to be schoolwide when maybe teachers need very specific personal
training #ukedchat
RT @asober: I am on secondment now and I have learnt a lot already
janwebb21 20:46 'cause I have time to reflect on my practice and Philosophy of learning
#ukedchat
deerwood 20:46 @janwebb21 I couldn't agree more #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:46
@TheHeadsOffice sorry about that... the secret is out ;-) #UKEdChat
@carolrainbow but skimming the surface doesn't professionally develop
philallman1 20:47
either! #jackofalltrades #ukedchat
@jowinchester no excuse for this given the ratio of applicants to places
sellyeve 20:47
surely!? #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:47 RT @janwebb21: @deerwood #ukedchat often having a life beyond school
that makes us a better teacher! <does being a wannabe rockstar count?
@philallman1 I think sabbaticals & secondments would make a real
RealLara 20:47
difference both to individuals and school #ukedchat
#ukedchat BEd training quotas will be funny with no 2.2 teachers. How will
jimbo9848 20:47
that work?
RT @philallman1: @reallara if we ever lose the ability to learn then we
really have lost the plot and should go! #ukedchat
@Reteach10 do you mean the skills needed for PGCE are different to skills
Creativeedu 20:47
needed for the classroom? maybe... #UKEdChat
Reteach10 20:47 @Smichael920 getting teachers out and looking at what is going on makes
for effective personal CPD rather than general CPD #ukedchat
carolrainbow 20:47 @philallman1 @bevevans22 my worry then is that it leaves teachers

vulnerable, they do not keep up with all changes in all subjects #ukedchat
@reallara if we ever lose the ability to learn then we really have lost the
philallman1 20:47
plot and should go! #ukedchat
RT @thedippyhippy: I blogged about why I love teaching only this week!
Ideas_Factory 20:48
http://bit.ly/6j8ml3 #ukedchat
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esoldaveglasgow 20:48 @philallman1 #ukedchat Shift is appropriate in line with good pedagogy.
Teaching to think/live effectively, not facts and formulae
Creativeedu 20:48 @GaryAveryICT ha! I'll work on that... #UKEdChat
@CreativeEdu #ukedchat Of course, becos why will a great teacher
Crosbiei 20:48
necessarily be a good head? Not the same skills needed!
janwebb21 20:48 @CreativeEdu @TheHeadsOffice what IS normal? #UKEdChat
#ukedchat Teachers leave because of the constant changing of ethos
Ideas_Factory 20:48 everytime a new government comes in.NOT OUR FAULT! [My Dummy's
out now]
amweston 20:48 @carolrainbow they can sometimes have the opposite effect - can be
isolating depending on situation/politics of school #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:48 PGCE is just the start of life-long CPD.#ukedchat
misshbond 20:48 RT @philallman1: @reallara if we ever lose the ability to learn then we
really have lost the plot and should go! #ukedchat <-- AGREED!
Creativeedu 20:48 @Crosbiei I agree. Equally isn't it ridiculous to take a fantastic teacher out
of the classroom and make them a non-teaching head? #UKEdChat
agree with @Smichael920 that collaborative cpd gives a supportive,
headteacher01 20:49
creative experience #ukedchat
@Ideas_Factory Frightening number of teachers dislike/fear change. Surely
RealLara 20:49
essential part of learning process? #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:49 @bevevans22 but of course!!! #ukedchat
@Ideas_Factory change is the part of the job PGCE cannot prepare us for.
john_at_muuua 20:49
Change scares people. #ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: @Crosbiei I agree. Equally isn't it ridiculous to take a
Reteach10 20:49 fantastic teacher out of the classroom and make them a non-teaching
head? #UKEdChat
RT @bevevans22: RT @janwebb21: @deerwood #ukedchat often having a
janwebb21 20:49 life beyond school that makes us a better teacher! <does being a wannabe
rockstar count?
@bevevans22 Are you looking for a secondment to try your hand in the
deerwood 20:49
music business, then? #ukedchat
Reteach10 20:49 @CreativeEdu yes not to say 1 is mr importt. both classroom & pedaogical
skills needed. Providers to focus on balance in course? #ukedchat
thedippyhippy 20:49 RT @janwebb21 I'm still learning after 21 years!!! it's attitude to new ideas
etc that revives, refreshes, revitalises #ukedchat < so agree
deerwood 20:50 @Ideas_Factory nah, teachers leave once they see the same old policy
come round for a third time ... it get boring after that! #ukedchat
@john_at_muuua #ukedchat Agreed-Have done staff training on
Ideas_Factory 20:50
Psychology of change-it's in our DNA-we hate change
Reteach10 20:50 @headteacher01 and collaborative cpd needn't be bound by location -

possibility of planned cpd between schools on twitter? #ukedchat
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RT @Crosbiei: @reallara #ukedchat Change it an essential part of the job.
john_at_muuua 20:50
Knowledge and skills needed are constantly changing
RT @reallara: @Ideas_Factory Frightening number of teachers dislike/fear
jimbo9848 20:50
change. Yes, worrying #ukedchat
@reallara #ukedchat Change it an essential part of the job. Knowledge and
Crosbiei 20:50
skills needed are constantly changing
philallman1 20:50 RT @esoldaveglasgow: #ukedchat Shift is appropriate in line with good

pedagogy. Teaching to think/live effectively, not facts and formulae
bevevans22 20:50 @carolrainbow @philallman1 specialists work in PE, Welsh, Art, Music &
Forest Schools - they still teach a range of other subjects #ukedchat
@philallman1 absolutely true - 1 day's training with no follow-up, feedback
carolrainbow 20:50
etc not the ideal though often the case #ukedchat
RT @jimbo9848: RT @Crosbiei: @reallara #ukedchat Change is progress <
deerwood 20:51
nope change is ... well just change!
carolrainbow 20:51 @bevevans22 @philallman1 but if someone else always teaches my music -
I do not move forward and gradually fall behind colleagues #ukedchat
#ukedchat is it the teachers who stop learning themselves and become
alxr1 20:51
stale that leave? Does that happen within first 5 years?
@Crosbiei I agree but yet you see it again and again and again and again
Creativeedu 20:51
#UKEdChat
JamiePortman 20:51 #ukedchat Some teachers leave the profession because they know they're
not good enough. I'm pleased with that. No room for bad teachers
RealLara 20:51 @philallman1 Worrying that some teachers appear reluctant to learn. How
can the job be done well - if at all if not learning? #ukedchat
@RealLara #ukedchat Definitely-it's our reaction to change that defines us-
Ideas_Factory 20:51
we can either embrace it or run away
@deerwood not really. not much call for a 40+ female who sings like a
bevevans22 20:51
bloke but looks like Victoria Wood #ukedchat
RT @janwebb21: what IS normal? #UKEdChat <we just strayed into
Creativeedu 20:51
philosophy chat... (answer... not @theheadsoffice ;-)
jimbo9848 20:51 RT @Crosbiei: @reallara #ukedchat Change is progress
Reteach10 20:52 RT @alxr1: #ukedchat Does that happen within first 5 years?<is it when
people get comfortable and used to systems? hence emphasis on change
carolrainbow 20:52 RT @bevevans22 @deerwood not really. not much call for a 40+ female
who sings like a bloke but looks like Victoria Wood :-D lovely #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:52 RT @deerwood: nah, teachers leave once they see the same old policy
come round for a third time ..#ukedchat aint that the truth-amen to that
RT @kiarakiara: Maybe there should be an age minimum for teacher
john_at_muuua 20:52 training? So teachers get to experience the other side first + improve
retention #ukedchat
RT @CreativeEdu: RT @janwebb21: what IS normal? #UKEdChat Schools
jimbo9848 20:52
define the abnormal - boundary theory in practice
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RT @thedippyhippy: I blogged about why I love teaching only this week!
JamiePortman 20:52
http://bit.ly/6j8ml3 #ukedchat
kiarakiara 20:52 Maybe there should be an age minimum for teacher training? So teachers
get to experience the other side first + improve retention #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:52 @Ideas_Factory in the end change is the only inevitable. We should
embrace it. Those who don't are miserable or leave. #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu I think it's too easy to get on Pgce(not that I am
Mallrat_uk 20:52
complainingî –) but it was easy! #ukedchat #Pgce
john_at_muuua 20:53
@CreativeEdu one smile... but it's a really good one! :-) #ukedchat
thedippyhippy 20:53 RT @CliveBuckley: The day you start thinking you are a really good teacher
you start being a poor one #ukedchat < This is so true!
@deerwood @mr_chadwick You haven't heard me sing. Definitely not like
bevevans22 20:53
Victoria Wood. #ukedchat
headteacher01 20:53 @Reteach10 certainly a great way to meet like minded people, but also
great to travel and meet up too. School visits are powerful #ukedchat
RT @jimbo9848: #ukedchat Maternity leave might be an issue!< not for
philallman1 20:53
me :)
#ukedchat Would schools be more conducive to learning if head teacher
Crosbiei 20:53
were managers rather than promoted teachers?
RT @JaneWoods3: #ukedchat Maybe teachers should all spend a year
Reteach10 20:53
working in ITT every five years or so. <great idea!!
jimbo9848 20:53 #ukedchat Maternity leave might be an issue!
Creativeedu 20:53 RT @Mallrat_uk: I think it's too easy to get on Pgce(not that I am
complainingî –) but it was easy! #ukedchat #Pgce <thoughts on this?
RT @JaneWoods3: #ukedchat Maybe teachers should all spend a year
janwebb21 20:53 working in ITT every five years or so. working with student teachers is
great!
janwebb21 20:53 @CliveBuckley of course, the more cynical among us would be on the
lower number of smiles and the more optimistic of us do lots! #ukedchat
@carolrainbow but so many prim teachers teach music so badly anyway.
philallman1 20:53
Some subjects need specialisation IMO. #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:53 RT @Crosbiei: @reallara #ukedchat Change is ess. part of the job.
Knowledge/skills needed are constantly changing<- can be diff to keep up
#ukedchat Maybe teachers should all spend a year working in ITT every
JaneWoods3 20:53
five years or so. working with student teachers is great!
john_at_muuua 20:54
@Crosbiei so did they eventually see the light and leave? #ukedchat
RT @colport: Having to pop out of #ukedchat to pick up daughter from
janwebb21 20:54 school disco. Thanks to all, and @janwebb21 for hosting. Archive up soon :-
)
deerwood 20:54 @GaryH2UK Love it! I must remember that! #ukedchat
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philallman1 20:54 RT @Crosbiei: #ukedchat wld schools B more conducive 2 learning if HT'sr
wr managers rather than promoted teachers?< NO! Need to u/s educ.
colport 20:54 Having to pop out of #ukedchat to pick up daughter from school disco.
Thanks to all, and @janwebb21 for hosting. Archive up soon :-)
@CreativeEdu @Mallrat_uk #ukedchat There were several ppl on my PGCE
Crosbiei 20:54
who shouldnt have been there!
#ukedchat pgce courses massively oversubscribed and some are full by Feb
jimbo9848 20:54
each year
@deerwood #ukedchat one of my old heads used to say 'if you stand still
GaryH2UK 20:54
long enough everyone else will catch you up'
JamiePortman 20:54 RT @Smichael920 getting teachers out & looking at whats going on makes
effective personal CPD rather than general CPD >>>> Agreed! #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:55 RT @Crosbiei: #ukedchat Would schools be more conducive to learning if

head teacher were managers rather than promoted teachers? I agree
Reteach10 20:55 @headteacher01 other advantage: provides change of scene where you
are not talking about specific students but specific cpd needs #ukedchat
RT @jowinchester: #ukedchat srcondments should not be in schools we
janwebb21 20:55 rusk an overly insular & naval-gazing outlook if we've never seen anything
outside school
philallman1 20:55 RT @mr_chadwick: Will recession attract more into the profession? Will
they all be here in 5yrs? #ukedchat < yes to 1st No to 2nd
thanks for a great evening playing devil's advocate. best wishes to you all.
john_at_muuua 20:55
#ukedchat
@john_at_muuua #ukedchat No. Some were however kicked out when
Crosbiei 20:55
they couldnt actually teach!
I'm still not sure ITT prepares well enough for the interpersonal and
ColinGoffin 20:55
relationship skills that are key to teaching today #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:55 RT @GaryH2UK: @deerwood #ukedchat 1 of my old heads used to say 'if
you stand still long enough everyone else will catch you up' -love that
Will recession attract more into the profession? Will they all be here in
mr_chadwick 20:55
5yrs? #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:55 #ukedchat Change is only good if the change is for the right reasons-Not
good if changing the whole curric cos it wasn't a tory idea
Is it a problem to be taught until 21, then instantly go into teaching - may
Creativeedu 20:55
leave as just fed up of the classroom? #UKEdChat
@creativeedu #ukedchat also NQT year is too easy to pass! fellow teacher
Mallrat_uk 20:55
failed 2 out of 3 obs in final term and still passed!
jimbo9848 20:55 RT @GaryH2UK: @deerwood #ukedchat one of my old heads used to say
'if you stand still long enough everyone else will catch you up' Dreadful!
ukedchat teachers are better qualified now than ever. Wait until the
jimbo9848 20:56
squaddies with PTS disorder arrive in staffrooms!!
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Ideas_Factory 20:56 @Crosbiei #ukedchat Good q-many of the academies have managers from
outside edu-some work others fail. Not conclusive
Re Heads discussion. I for one would LOVE to be a head but would HATE to
Creativeedu 20:56
be a teacher... #UKEdChat
@philallman1 #ukedchat But isnt a head's job to manage the staff and
Crosbiei 20:56
utilise their expertise in educating?
@Crosbiei @creativeedu #ukedchat yep several quit ours, but a few
Mallrat_uk 20:56
passed even though not great teachers!
john_at_muuua 20:56
@Crosbiei damn. there goes my theory of retention. :-( #ukedchat
RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat Change is only good if the change is for the
Reteach10 20:56 right reasons-Not good if changing the whole curric cos it wasn't a tory
idea
janwebb21 20:56 @CliveBuckley a very cynical reply, Clive!!!!! #ukedchat
RT @john_at_muuua: thanks for a great evening playing devil's advocate.
philallman1 20:56
best wishes to you all. #ukedchat< surely not ;)
janwebb21 20:57 seem to be schoolwide when maybe teachers need very specific personal
training #ukedchat
RT @Mallrat_uk: @Crosbiei @creativeedu #ukedchat yep several quit
Crosbiei 20:57
ours, but a few passed even though not great teachers!
@Ideas_Factory #ukedchat But is that down to the person or their
Crosbiei 20:57
background?
RT @mr_chadwick: Will recession attract more into the profession? Will
Ideas_Factory 20:57
they all be here in 5yrs? #ukedchat
mr_chadwick 20:57 RT @CreativeEdu: I for one would LOVE to be a head but would HATE to
be a teacher... #UKEdChat < Would that make you a good Head?
RealLara 20:57 RT @JaneWoods3: #ukedchat Maybe teachers should all spend a year
working in ITT every 5 years or so. <- great idea. I'd love to do that
deerwood 20:57
@siavogel So Netherlands has problems keeping teachers too? #ukedchat
@john_at_muuua :-) that made me smile. Damnit. may have gone
Creativeedu 20:57
beyond my daily quota #UKEdChat
@mikemcsharry @philallman1 I do a pretty mean lesson on composing
RealLara 20:58
using just a piece of A4 scrap paper! #ukedchat
@reallara lecturer in my HE coll did this with local Head of Hums - worked
philallman1 20:58
really well. #ukedchat
Smichael920 20:58 @Ideas_Factory brings us back 2 original question. Maybe government

meddling in Ed is the route of the exodus! 4got #ukedchat!
JamiePortman 20:58 RT @CliveBuckley The day u start thinking u are a really good teacher u
start being a poor one #ukedchat >> good point http://bit.ly/hwKwQ3
deerwood 20:58 @CreativeEdu @Crosbiei hmm, isn't part of the problem that heads and
teachers are no longer seen as part of the same profession #ukedchat
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headteacher01 20:58 @CreativeEdu @Crosbiei disagree, heads need to understand how children
learn in order to ensure that this is what is happening #ukedchat
#ukedchat 80%of HTs love the job, 80% of SLTs don't want it. Funny
jimbo9848 20:58
messages there.
@carolrainbow teachers need personalised learning just like the children
janwebb21 20:58
do! #ukedchat
Crosbiei 20:59 #ukedchat Cant heads just be people who maximise teachers' potential to
develop their pupils? Cant this be done just by talking to teachers?
RT @Smichael920: @Ideas_Factory brings us back 2 original question.
Ideas_Factory 20:59 Maybe government meddling in Ed is the route of the exodus! 4got
#ukedchat!
jimbo9848 20:59 #ukedchat I see a lot of teachers here engaging in excellent cpd
@janwebb21 Absolutely - with support and followup to move them
carolrainbow 20:59
forward #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:59 @Crosbiei #ukedchat Prob a bit of both-an academic did a study of
successful HT-to see if common denominators-none were found!
philallman1 20:59 RT @reallara: @mikemcsharry @philallman1 I do a pretty mean lesson on

composing using just a piece of A4 scrap paper! #ukedchat< can't wait!
philallman1 20:59 RT @headteacher01: disagree, heads need to understand how children

learn in order to ensure that this is what is happening #ukedchat < yep!
@mr_chadwick I manage and lead well, I am good with children, I just
Creativeedu 21:00
wouldn't like to teach. I think I'd be a good head #UKEdChat
Ideas_Factory 21:00 @Crosbiei #ukedchat Yep that's the Coaching model
RT @Crosbiei: #ukedchat Heads are not a separate race, some are better
jimbo9848 21:00
than others at talk
carolrainbow 21:00 @Ideas_Factory @Smichael920 I am sure it does not help!!
@Crosbiei no - I go to the butchers each week but I don't suggest how he
philallman1 21:00
should cut my meat for me! #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 21:00 RT @philallman1: RT @headteacher01: HTs need 2 understand how chn

learn 2 ensure that this is what is happening #ukedchat >Is that teaching?
ukedchat 21:00 Many thanks to @janwebb21 for hosting this #ukedchat session.
#ukedchat returns after Christmas break on 6th January. Happy Christmas
RT @jimbo9848: #ukedchat I see a lot of teachers here engaging in
janwebb21 21:00
excellent cpd
RT @jimbo9848: #ukedchat I see a lot of teachers here engaging in
bevevans22 21:00
excellent cpd <- you're not wrong
bevevans22 21:01 @janwebb21 well done you! Another fast and furious #ukedchat
jimbo9848 21:01 #ukedchat
RT @ukedchat: Many thanks to @janwebb21 for hosting this #ukedchat
Creativeedu 21:01 session. #ukedchat returns after Christmas break on 6th January. Happy
Christmas
@ukedchat What no #ukedchat till after xmas Boo!Might have to an
Ideas_Factory 21:01
unofficial one next thursday ;^)
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TheHeadsOffice 21:01 RT @Crosbiei: #ukedchat Cant HT be ppl who max teachers' potential to
develop their pupils? Cant this be done by talking to teachers?>YES!
@philallman1 #ukedchat But does he ask u how u would like your meat
Crosbiei 21:01
cut? Its all about collaboration.
Wow - that was the fastest hour of my life! So many good points raised.
misshbond 21:01
Thanks all :0) #ukedchat
Maybe government meddling in Ed is the route of the exodus! #ukedchat!
alxr1 21:01
>hard to walk on shifting sand
Arakwai 21:01 #ukedchat In my LEA there have been regular redundancies over the last 5
years :-( Newish teachers are vulnerable and may find other careers
janwebb21 21:01 #ukedchat hard to keep up with everyone!
philallman1 21:01 RT @TheHeadsOffice: HTs need 2 understand how chn learn 2 ensure that
this is what is happening #ukedchat >Is that teaching?< no its leading
#ukedchat impending changes to curriculum mean nothing - doing what
mdpkeenan 21:01
you can to engage children, this changes every day!
More formal mentoring/buddy system across schools throughout careers
RealLara 21:01
as wanted/needed might help. Virtually?#ukedchat
janwebb21 21:01 I can't believe it's 9pm already!!! thanks to everyone for a most interesting
#ukedchat this week! so many interesting points it's been ...
@korlingsord Half of boys, age five, 'struggling in basics'
briankotts 21:01
http://bbc.in/hfj1vd /via @bbcnews #edchat #ukedchat
Crosbiei 21:01 #ukedchat Is it just me, or does the hour from 8-9 go very quickly?
@jimbo9848 #ukedchat Isnt the ability to communicate and work with
Crosbiei 21:02
teachers necessary to be a head?
Thankyou @janwebb21 and one and all for a most brilliant #ukedchat I
Ideas_Factory 21:02
swear they're getting better...
jimbo9848 21:02 #ukedchat thanks all and a happy christmas
sellyeve 21:02 many thanks & especially to @janwebb21. #ukedchat
Creativeedu 21:02 @janwebb21 thanks for a great #UKEdchat. Fantastic as ever!
carolrainbow 21:02 Happy Christmas everyone - thanks for all 2010 #ukedchats Thanks to
@janwebb21 for hosting this session - see you 6th Jan :-) #ukedchat
@janwebb21 Many thanks. Apologies for being late & only dipping in!
#ukedchat
philallman1 21:03 RT @Joga5: Hey I just seen it is me doing the first #ukedchat of 2011. What
do you want to talk about then?< Hogmanay or Hootenay? :)
RT @alxr1: "Maybe government meddling in Ed is the route of the
Ideas_Factory 21:03
exodus!" #ukedchat! >hard to walk on shifting sand
janwebb21 21:03 #ukedchat you're all very welcome!! have a fantastic Christmas everyone
and look forward to joining @Joga5 at the first new year #ukedchat!
Creativeedu 21:03 @Ideas_Factory I'm up for that #becauseI'malosertoo #UKEdChat
RT @CreativeEdu: @mr_chadwick I manage/lead well, Im good with
JfB57 21:03 children, wouldn't like 2 teach. Think I'd be a good head #UKEdChat>Thats
me!
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Ideas_Factory 21:03
Ideas_Factory 21:03
@McDroll schools, government, LAs, Daily Mail care about policies ... who
deerwood 21:03
cares about children? #ukedchat
philallman1 21:03 #ukedchat thanks all - as ever - really great!
#ukedchat teacher training lessons 1,2 and 3 ( to misquote clint Eastwood) -
mdpkeenan 21:04
improvise, adapt, overcome.
TheHeadsOffice 21:04 RT @Crosbiei: @jimbo9848 #ukedchat Isnt the ability to communicate and
work with teachers necessary to be a head? >No its essential!
Tree_Of 21:04 @LiamConway there is more than one flaw! #ukedchat
RT @CreativeEdu: @Ideas_Factory I'm up for that #becauseImalosertoo
Crosbiei 21:04
#UKEdChat
#ukedchat Actually I think it's ridic to say only ppl trained in 'education'
mooshtang 21:04
should teach. Think of the value of musicians, artists,
Reteach10 21:05 #ukedchat thanks to everyone for a really good discussion - first and
definitely not the last time. mind stewing with ideas. merry xmas
@CreativeEdu I'm sure YOU would. Think opening up Headship in that way
mr_chadwick 21:05
could be slippery slope. #ukedchat
mooshtang 21:05 #ukedchat scientists, mathematicians, film makers, linguists, psychologists,

mathematicians, english grads etc could bring to the table
TheHeadsOffice 21:05 RT @CreativeEdu: @Ideas_Factory I'm up for that #becauseI'malosertoo

#UKEdChat >I'm not busy next Thurs either! ;)
Crosbiei 21:05
@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat Thanks. That was the word I was looking for!
mooshtang 21:06 A PGCE frm a good institution IS enough training to teach. You learn more
on the job once you are there after any training course #ukedchat
Best #ukedchat yet. (Although I've only done a few) Really great
mr_chadwick 21:06
discussion. Thanks @janwebb21 et al
@Reteach10 @misshbond #ukedchat and many thanks to all those new to
janwebb21 21:06
#ukedchat for joining us!
forgot how enjoyable #ukedchat is.I havent attended for ages.Thank you
CHAR0ULA 21:07
all.Thank you @janwebb21
janwebb21 21:07 RT @Ideas_Factory: @mikemcsharry unofficial official non-ukchat next

Thursday then (isn't that just like 'normal' twitter..) #ukedchat
@mr_chadwick I agree - def one of the best #ukedchat! and there was me
janwebb21 21:07
thinking everyone would be out at Christmas parties!!!
janwebb21 21:08
@CHAR0ULA I forgot how fast it goes when moderating!!!! #ukedchat
philallman1 21:08 @janwebb21 I agree - def one of the best #ukedchat! and there was me
thinking everyone would be out at Christmas parties!!!< #sadpeople
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@NickiA10 LOL! considering we had ours last night, I think I did well to stay
janwebb21 21:09
awake for #ukedchat!!!!
JaneWoods3 21:10
@janwebb21 Thanks Jan...really interesting debate tonight! #ukedchat
ZoeAndrewsAST 21:11 @mooshtang #ukedchat Training is def not enough, know many people
who trained in a top uk uni last 5 yrs and not made it past 2 years in sch
ukedchat 21:11
@Ideas_Factory If you want to host a 'Christmas Special', then go for it :-)
RT @deerwood: @janwebb21 well done Jan, great #ukedchat tonight ..
deerwood 21:12
over far too soon darn Mac forgot where #key was
Creativeedu 21:12 Top ten blog posts (and the rest..) http://ow.ly/3qsVA <some light reading
for those of you at a lose end next thursday with no #UKEdChat
dmchugh675 21:12 @mooshtang totally agree. I'm beginning 2 think that schools are not the
best place for children to learn about the real world. #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 21:13 @ukedchat Topics for nxt Thurs #ukxmaschat Should Secret Santa in
schools be banned?Should kids be allowed to bring toys on the last Friday?
CHAR0ULA 21:13 @janwebb21 its all so brilliant.Sometimes hard to keep up.People so

dedicated,its amazing.That is why they carry on being teachers#ukedchat
janwebb21 21:13
@deerwood I loved the thought of it being Â£ukedchat! #ukedchat #key
Thoroughly enjoyed my first ever #ukedchat tonight. It's nearly chill time
misshbond 21:14
people :0) One more day...
deerwood 21:15 must dash now, thanks all for #ukedchat
briankotts 21:15 â€œYouâ€™re Well Hot Miss!â€•Managing Sexual Comments in the

Classroom http://bit.ly/efGWXx /via @creativeedu #edchat #ukedchat
Creativeedu 21:15 Great #UKEdChat ting with you all. I'm off, Tweet you tomorrow!
RT @Joga5: @ukedchat Think tonight has stimulated a debate on
janwebb21 21:16
collaborative based CPD versus courses for the next #ukedchat
RT @misshbond: Thoroughly enjoyed my first ever #ukedchat tonight. It's
janwebb21 21:16
nearly chill time people :0) One more day...
Whorwe 21:17 RT @JamiePortman: New Blog Post:
@Joga5 that's along the lines of what I ended up talking about to a group
janwebb21 21:18
last week! new models for cpd #ukedchat
RT @McDroll: @Ideas_Factory #ukedchat plenty of this..and elephant
Ideas_Factory 21:18 traps..but if you have plenty fairy dust..you'll make it...teaching is magic
after all
RT @Tree_Of: A nursery child smiles on average 374 times per day. An
takeaminute2 21:18
adult.... 11 #ukedchat < cool, I'm above average!
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Ideas_Factory 19:59 RT @Creativeedu: RT @colport: Join @janwebb21 for #ukedchat "Why do

janwebb21 19:59 Welcome to #ukedchat!!! an hour long discussion coming up to discuss

philallman1 20:04 RT @janwebb21: @colport @frogphilp #ukedchat and does it depend on

Creativeedu 20:07 @john_at_muuua having worked in a school with teachfirst teachers, i

Crosbiei 20:08 RT @Smichael920: @janwebb21 Ofsted,sats, high level accountability, low

carolrainbow 20:08 RT @mr_chadwick: RT @deerwood: Perhaps because theyre no longer

Kattle9 20:09 RT @Creativeedu: tech question - have been recommended twitterfall to

CHAR0ULA 20:11 so much pressure because teachers have to answer to kids,parents,school

Crosbiei 20:13 RT @mr_chadwick: Don't think teachers get professional credit/respect

mr_chadwick 20:14 RT @philallman1: #ukedchat - everyone is a critic. All went to school so

john_at_muuua 20:15 @janwebb21 retention rates. R we assuming that retention is a good

Ideas_Factory 20:18 @Smichael920 #ukedchat Agreed-boils down to crappy teacher training-I

misshbond 20:18 RT @creativeedu: It strikes me from these tweets that teaching is a

theteachinggame 20:18 @john_at_muuua @mr_chadwick I think respect is just a general need in

theteachinggame 20:22 @john_at_muuua I just wrote a post on new teacher retention.Think it

cleverfiend 20:23 @Reteach10 I try to give my PGCE students a realistic experience in my

colport 20:25 Performance Related Pay? How do we measure one teachers

Creativeedu 20:26 RT @JaneWoods3: #ukedchat would be interesting to know if schools lose

Reteach10 20:28 @politicsteacher technology certainly offers education that flexibility -

cleverfiend 20:29 @TheHeadsOffice my experience is that the lecturers of my PGCE students

TheHeadsOffice 20:30 RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat Variety is spice of life-more teachers would

carolrainbow 20:33 @philallman1 I think it helped - people could go and do something

Ideas_Factory 20:38 @deerwood #ukedchat Even now relationships between colleagues is

Reteach10 20:38 @reallara there is a movement to go on 'learning journeys' between

colport 20:42 @Joga5 I think having 1 teacher is important in primaries to develop

Reteach10 20:42 RT @mooshtang: #ukedchat theories of learning etc. Having studied

misshbond 20:44 RT @theheadsoffice: If staffrooms can support or deter it must be down 2

janwebb21 20:45 RT @philallman1: RT @deerwood: Perhaps teachers leave the profession

ToddAHoffman 20:46 RT @Creativeedu: RT @colport: Join @janwebb21 for #ukedchat "Why do

carolrainbow 20:47 @philallman1 @bevevans22 my worry then is that it leaves teachers

Reteach10 20:50 @headteacher01 and collaborative cpd needn't be bound by location -

philallman1 20:50 RT @esoldaveglasgow: #ukedchat Shift is appropriate in line with good

Creativeedu 20:55 RT @Crosbiei: #ukedchat Would schools be more conducive to learning if

Smichael920 20:58 @Ideas_Factory brings us back 2 original question. Maybe government

philallman1 20:59 RT @reallara: @mikemcsharry @philallman1 I do a pretty mean lesson on

philallman1 20:59 RT @headteacher01: disagree, heads need to understand how children

TheHeadsOffice 21:00 RT @philallman1: RT @headteacher01: HTs need 2 understand how chn

mooshtang 21:05 #ukedchat scientists, mathematicians, film makers, linguists, psychologists,

TheHeadsOffice 21:05 RT @CreativeEdu: @Ideas_Factory I'm up for that #becauseI'malosertoo

janwebb21 21:07 RT @Ideas_Factory: @mikemcsharry unofficial official non-ukchat next

CHAR0ULA 21:13 @janwebb21 its all so brilliant.Sometimes hard to keep up.People so

briankotts 21:15 â€œYouâ€™re Well Hot Miss!â€•Managing Sexual Comments in the

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