What's in the little red box on some jump-

start leads? (Guess first.)

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With the increasing popularity of the mini lithium jump starters
for cars, there seem to be some standard components
appearing. One of them is this set of plug-in leads with that
mysterious little box on one of them. So here's what's inside.
I've not taken a look at a jump starters yet as I don't have a
load high enough to test them to their often dubious
specifications. Note that there were two types of package in
the unit, one with a rating of 40V and one 45V. Jerry Korner
has done some tests though, so here's a link to one of his test
videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRyU5... It
appears that there has been a recall on some of these leads
due to the exact scenario I described of overcranking and
causing the diodes to fail short circuit, followed by rapid failure
of the lithium pack. http://www.cyntur.com/recall If you enjoy
these videos you can help support the channel with a dollar
for coffee, cookies and random gadgets for disassembly at:-
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Thumpert the Fascist Cotton-tailHace 2 años

Many years ago I tried to get into the local nightclub on a saturday
night, but the guy on the door wouldn't let me in because I wasn't
wearing a tie. So I went back to my car and wrapped my jumper
leads around my neck, and tried my luck again. The guy on the door
said "o.k, you can come in, but don't start anything"
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Chris G.Hace 1 año

Boooo
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ghoztmodeHace 1 año
Ok that's actually funny. thanks for sharing. :)
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Inductor87Hace 1 año
was it dead inside?
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Stefan F.Hace 1 año
Hehe
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Golf ManHace 1 año

Pint of electrolyte please.
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darren molloyHace 1 año

Was the atmosphere ... electrifying
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dfghjkuytrHace 1 año
Did you get to jump anyone?
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darren molloyHace 1 año

@dfghjkuytr no it was full of jumped up little shits
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Redfish IncorporatedHace 1 año

Lol :-)
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Tardeli costantiniHace 1 año

That's so old! Bet you "Jumped" with joy hearing that when the
model T Ford came out.
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Walt PHace 1 año

Humor from a Fascist? All right!
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mad assHace 1 año

Haha siick
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Pedro EsquiviasHace 1 año

9/10 would laugh again
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MOTORBIKE MADNESSHace 1 año

LOLOL x 10000 : D
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TheOtherWhiteBread0Hace 1 año
Lol wtf
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MasterYoshidinoHace 1 año
This reply thread is so shorted...
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TheOtherWhiteBread0Hace 1 año
@MasterYoshidino chyeah broo. So sHorT3d.
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General EsdeathHace 1 año

LMFAO
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racpa5Hace 11 meses
I find this comment revolting.
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Phil GHace 10 meses

Oh dear, soooo funny though.
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Jaime MartinezHace 6 meses

HAHAHAHAHAHA i'm a sucker for dumb jokes. i Like, OLE!
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Jaime MartinezHace 6 meses

@Inductor87 LOL
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ColaHace 2 días
Lovely!
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MasterBataHace 2 años
In case anyone was let down by jumper cables they sell at gas
stations and supermarkets (those that have far more insulation than
actual copper), here is a recipe for cheap yet indestructible jumper
cables: - buy 4 welder ground clamps. Those are very robust and are
usually rated for 300A+ - buy 4 lug connectors - buy 6 meters of
25mm^2 welder ground cable (or thicker). You will make two 3m
cables out of this, buy more if you need longer. This type of cable is
very soft even in low temperatures. - split cable in half, crimp or
solder lug connectors onto cable, connect to clamps -
congratulations, you have jumper cables that can start a diesel truck.
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Sebastian LHace 1 año

MasterBata in a pinch you can run smaller wires in parallel with any
type of clamp(even hose clamps) to hold the wire on the terminals
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Scooter GeorgeHace 1 año

@Sebastian L In the days of chrome plated bumpers, two cheap
cables in parallel to the positive terminals and the bumpers touching
for the ground connection.
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Oliver WatsonHace 1 año

My friends managed to jumpstart a car with a couple of the
aluminium foil trays you put under barbecues
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The GeneralissimoHace 1 año
I have what is basically a bug-out box. Rechargeable, comes with a
light, usb inputs, 12v car jack, standard us power socket, air
compressor (although a kinda weak one, works for when your tire
either just loses pressure over time, or if you've got a small hole) and
the thing weighs about 40 pounds, so it's got the oomph at least,
unlike these wimpy starter packs.
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Scooter GeorgeHace 1 año

@The Generalissimo - I have one of those too. Also includes a work
light. What's your point?
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the upscriberHace 11 meses

My buddy jump started my v8 mustang with two coat hanger wires
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RubenyoranpcHace 11 meses
Youtube, can we get a feature to save comments like these please?
Thanks
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btcsysHace 10 meses
I don't have a diesel truck
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Caterpillar CATHace 6 meses
Diesel v16 its work or not ( voltage 24v)
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90msg90Hace 2 años (editado)

Not only does this protect the li-po (or li-ion) in the power bank
against reverse polarity, this also has a significant use in "standard
operation". As soon as you fire up your car's engine, the alternator
kicks in, delivering around 14V towards battery terminals. Both the
alternator and the power bank might not like it (I would expect a
significant current going into the li-po), that's why they are so
consistent on reminding you in the manual to disconnect the device
as soon as the engine starts.
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trisymphonyHace 2 años
3:40 what a beautiful soldering job
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Spikey DaPikeyHace 2 años

Not a bad price for the clips alone either.
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MGYouTube AccountHace 2 años

In this case, the diodes are used to prevent the alternator from
shoving tons of current into the lithium battery when the vehicle
starts, nothing more. It does NOT provide reverse polarity
protection. If you hook the booster pack up backwards, things will
get quite exciting quite quickly, guaranteed, unless the jump pack
has some sort of protection internally. I've had bad luck with these
lithium jump start packs. For one thing, their performance drops
dramatically when cold, which ironically is also when you're most
likely to need it. I much prefer ultracapacitors for jump starting. You
get WAY more amps and they are not affected by low temperatures
nearly as much.
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Dru BradleyHace 2 años

Maybe the diode pack is there to protect the lithium battery pack
from the alternator's output voltage once the engine starts?
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Liam WiltshireHace 2 años

Is it a little elf on a hamster wheel to generate enough energy to
jumpstart the batter?
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Queaze ProductionsHace 1 año

Liam Wiltshire guessing after watching the video isn't fair
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The TyttuutfaceHace 1 año
Of course not, don't be ridiculous. It's obviously a gnome in there.
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Da veHace 1 año
Behave it's like a hamster turning the London eye lmfao
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BigBarry IslandsHace 1 año

The Tyttuutface if you connect it to a step up transformer connection
to a battery
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Scooter GeorgeHace 1 año

@BigBarry Islands Transformer, more that meets the eye.
Transformer, little elf on a hamster wheel...
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BigBarry IslandsHace 1 año

Scooter George you don’t understand what a power transformer is I
will call the police
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Scooter GeorgeHace 1 año

@BigBarry Islands - Not directly but with an inverter, for example,
12 volts DC (battery) is stepped up to 120 volt AC.
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Scooter GeorgeHace 1 año
@BigBarry Islands - Call "The Police?" I won't hold my breath
waiting for them to arrive. And are they still together?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs
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BigBarry IslandsHace 1 año

Scooter George What are you talking about?!! 120 volts is
America’s voltages 250 volts is our voltage.
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Scooter GeorgeHace 1 año

@BigBarry Islands - Doesn't matter. Same principal applies. Could
be stepped up to 250 as well with an inverter. Still waiting for "The
Police" to arrive. : D
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Garry GemmellHace 11 meses

In Scotland we use Haggi' (Plural of Haggis) they are used to
running round hills so perfect for the Hamster wheel!
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Andreas DillHace 2 años (editado)

Use your power supply and put a load of 5A over the diode-module.
Then measure the voltage-drop, this will give you a more useful
measurement.
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radry100Hace 2 años
No magic smoke? I'm disappointed
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bigclivedotcom
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There will be lots of unexpected smoke and flames in the next video.
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Samuel GausHace 2 años

Not unexpected anymore :(
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superhandsHace 2 años
Clive did you get a new microphone?
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MrKnowwunHace 2 años
I shall be very upset now if there isn't.
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dossodHace 2 años
connect the lead across a big battery 800+ cca and then there will be
magic smoke
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MagesticHace 1 año
We want smoke! We want smoke!
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MagesticHace 1 año
@bigclivedotcom it's not unexpected if you plan it & tell us about it!
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bami2Hace 2 años
small thermonuclear fusion reactor
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Robert GibbonsHace 2 años

Isn't 10 gauge wire rated for only 30 amps? A long time ago I picked
up a set of cheap jumper cables that wound up being 10 gauge. The
first time I used them there was a loud bang and one of the cables
blew in half.
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kuhrdHace 2 años
For continuous current with PVC insulation yes, 10 gauge is only
safe for around 30 Amps continuous. The big thing to consider here
is resistance and voltage drop. Since the leads are about 1 foot long
each you can actually push a few hundred amps through them for a
short time. High strand silicone insulated wire that is 10 gauge is
generally capable of 140Amps when leads are kept to a meter (about
3 ft) or less for 15 minutes duty cycle in 20C ambient air. In a
situation like starting a car where the leads are only connected for 60
seconds or so and the actual cranking time is likely less than a few
seconds, you could probably dump around 500Amps across the
cable without to much issue seeing a voltage drop of likely less than
1.5-3V.
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Tarn VedraHace 2 años

Cool, up to 3 volts drop is good enough assuming its 14 V without
load. Ignition usually stops working under 10.5 V
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superdauHace 2 años
Assigning a current rating to a wire without environmental
conditions is pointless. If you put that wire in ice water it will have
no problem conducting hundred amps continuously. If you run it at
50°C ambient without air flow it will melt the insulation at much
less than 30 amps. A few hundred amps are fine as well without ice
water if it's just a very short time/pulse.
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Jusb1066Hace 2 años
them being short means more than 30a, cable rated at hundred of
amps and is say 2 meteres long, such as my home made jump lead,
are very thick and heavy, made from industrial welding cable, rated
for 500a, and 5x heavier than cheap jump leads that say 500a
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SillyhatdayHace 2 años
Yep. Check with the manufacturer of whatever cable your using for
the proper rating. I've seen many current ratings for an ambient
temperature of 85c.
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Teardown DanHace 2 años

A fully charged LiPo booster battery will be 12.6V open-circuit.
When I had to jumpstart my car this winter, I measured the battery
terminal voltage during cranking and it dropped as low as 5.5V.
After the first compression stroke though, voltage bounced back to
8V and the engine started with less than three seconds of cranking. I
was surprised that a power bank with 3x 3.3Ah cells (Silverstone
PB06) was enough to start my car at -12C. Not so impressed with
losing over 2V from the diode, wiring and contact resistance
between the LiPo terminals and car battery's. Using #8 wiring would
save 0.3V and give another 50A or so. Every amp counts for
breaking static friction.
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Ethan PooleHace 2 años

kuhrd Actually, 10 gauge copper wire can safely deliver much more
than 30A continuously provided the insulation is sufficiently rated
for the temperature rise and the wire is sufficiently exposed to
sufficiently cool air to allow for adequate cooling (as opposed to
being part of a tight bundle or in an environment with especially
elevated air temperatures). You will find that one can easily deliver
a sustained 50A+ using #10 copper wire with a perfectly acceptable
and safe amount of temperature rise to allow for plenty of safe
margin for wiring with the typical 90C to 105C PVC insulation
when operated in an environment at all practical for human
habitation. However, you can not continually deliver hundreds of
amps through #10 copper (especially if copper clad aluminum) wire
without both an excessive rise in temperature (power dissipated, and
thus temperature rise, to a degree, increase fourfold for every
doubling of amperage, which places some very practical upper limits
on the current that can be delivered by a given wire gauge without
self incineration) and a considerable degree of voltage drop for a
given length of such wire. The usual ampacity tables that most of us
are familiar with are influenced far more by a desire to limit the
degree of voltage drop in extended runs (typically to 5% or less) and
ensuring a highly conservative figure to account for lack of adequate
free air cooling when multiple power conductors are contained
within an enclosed raceway, such as PVC conduit, where cooling is
greatly impaired and accounting for the possibility that such
raceways may also pass through areas with very high ambient
temperatures, such as a poorly ventilated attic, that can further
impair cooling leading to a greater rise in temperature. The typical
figure of 30A for #10 copper is primarily derived from sources like
the U.S. Electrical Code, but these tables do not represent the actual
safe maximums for a given conductor size in open air (you will get
much closer to maximum acceptable limits if you instead look at the
chassis wiring tables provided in Code, which would specify 55A
for #10 copper wiring with 90C+ insulation in open air).
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Teardown DanHace 2 años

In the case of cranking an engine though, those 100-500A are only
for 3-5 seconds at a time. The copper's specific heat should be
sufficient to prevent the cables from significantly heating up and
insulation temperature rating becomes a non-issue: one meter of #10
copper and 500A for 5 seconds is 5.75kJ, which is only enough to
heat up the cable's ~500 grams of copper by about 20C. Still wish
they used #8 cables on these jumper leads though. 40% lower cable
losses and 40% more specific heat to help maintain wiring at a sane
temperature when cranking for more than 5s at a time or multiple
times. (Though you really shouldn't need either on a reasonably well
maintained car or small truck.)
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Stinky CheeseHace 2 años

+Ethan - Quit using "actually" where it isn't needed. Thank you!
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Stinky CheeseHace 2 años

+Teardown Dan - No, a more common value for a LiPo booster
pack is 16.8V using parallel series of 4 cells. The key to getting one
to jump start a car is that the primary SLA battery isn't completely
dead, that in a few seconds it gets some charge back into the primary
battery so they are working in parallel to provide more current.
Additionally 3 x 3.3Ah cells is in inferior design for this purpose,
doesn't make much sense that they would do that instead of 4 x
2.5Ah cells which due to a different internal construction have
higher current capacity, so are you certain that is how it is designed?
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Dad_a_MonkHace 2 años
Stinky Cheese Actually, he used the word actually properly. He
explained that the 10 gauge wire, in question, is capable of more
than 30 amps. So how was he wrong to use it, in your opinion?
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Teardown DanHace 2 años
Pretty sure. There is no need to put multiple cells in parallel, LiPo
batteries can output over 200A on their own - radio-control hobby
batteries have discharges rates as high as 250C, which means over
750A for a stack of 3Ah cells. Here's my tear-down and poking
around of that PB06:
http://www.tomshardware.com/picturestory/751-silverstone-pb06-
usb-power-bank-tear-down.html
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toysareforboysHace 2 años
My ignition stops working at 9 volts. I know it's exactly that because
my stereo system draws so much current it drops down to there
before the car stalls :( 2007 Chevy Cobalt SS/SC
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Matthew MillerHace 2 años

Stinky Cheese it must depend on the booster, mine are around 12.5V
when fully charged (schumacher red fuel)...did a video taking apart
the battery on my channel but I didn't want to break the jumper cable
part so I couldn't tear that apart.
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Krankie VHace 2 años

That's all the computers in your car starving for voltage, not just the
ignition system. very bad for it. You need a hefty capacitor on that
stereo system.
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Andrei HHace 2 años

He needs a bigger battery, preferably deep cycle, and heavier gauge
wires to the bass amps. A capacitor will not be enough in this kind
of situation where you have a large continuous power draw. It barely
does anything with a small subwoofer, people just buy them because
they look cool and have the large LED voltmeters on them.
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KYŌDɅI KΞNHace 2 años

Doesn't matter because it's alumin(i)um and it could be rated at 10
amps at BEST...
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toysareforboysHace 2 años
I have a big cap on it currently (500 farads safe for up to 16.2v). I
have another 1000 farads to install for 1500 farads total and also got
an aftermarket alternator for more power :) I haven't run a new front
to back power cable (the factory battery is in the trunk) but I'll do
that when I install the new alternator.
http://ecuflashking.com/07cobaltSS_SC/2015-10-08-
New_battery_terminals_and_wiring.jpg
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Stacy SmithHace 2 años

Robert Gibbons I've wondered the same thing, oddly enough these
things DO WORK. My only guess is that the battery is charged
using pulsating DC and that's why you should wait until the charger
quits beeping, green light goes on, etc.
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Teardown DanHace 2 años
The small power banks that use those cheap leads connect straight to
the 3S LiPo pack, no other fancy electronics or protection in-
between aside from the in-line diodes and (for the better ones) fuse.
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RenttaHace 2 años
Distance also matters.
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Krankie VHace 2 años

500 Farads is way more than enough unless you're running
something like 15 subwoofers which wouldn't even fit in a cobalt. If
you're having voltage issues with that much in capacitors, you have
a wiring problem.
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lilsammywasapunkrockHace 2 años
even a 20c 2000mah 3 cell lipo could easily start a car. that would
be a 60 amp continuous rating and roughly 90 amp peak (10
seconds). i have a model airplane i pull 50 amps out of a 12 guage
wire, never really more then 5-10 seconds though. what really makes
these things interesting though, they can carry more then 80% rated
amprage when they are dead, meaning even at 11.1v, the voltage
really isnt gonna drop much.
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Griffon 327Hace 2 años

The key word here being "cheap" you can pick up any set of jumper
cables and if you are a veteran mechanic you can pretty much guage
whether or not they are cheap shit or high quality. with that said and
stranded on side of road you use what you got. cheap or high quality
comes into play when you are purchasing a set , with todays modern
all computer driven cars dont skimp on the jumper cables . why fry a
12oo dollar ECU because your bought the $8.99 junper cables from
harbor freight instead of the $29.99 ones from napa
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Ryan ToomeyHace 2 años

The leads are VERY short, that is what allows them to carry more
than 30 amps momentarily.
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HomefrontHace 1 año
Stinky Cheese actually, no
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Stepside1986Hace 1 año
@Teardown DanI am fairly sure that these cables are "CCA /
Copper Coated Aluminum". They will heat up more than copper
wire cables.
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Walt PHace 1 año

A 10 ga. wire will handle a lot more than 30 amps before it melts. 10
ga. house wiring requires a 30 amp breaker which means the breaker
will pop long before the wire even gets hot.  I have an Anker jump
starter and it says it is rated at 400 amps peak current. Of course the
peak current could be for only several milliseconds. The instructions
say to attach it to the battery for 5 seconds before starting the car.
This could give the battery a small boost before starting and then the
battery would assist in starting. I drained my car battery by leaving
my dome light on all night. When I tried to start the car with this
Anker unit, it drained the Anker batteries right away. I brought my
car battery back to life with a conventional charger by charging it for
over 24 hours. I can't trust the Anker jump starter on a dead battery.
I think they are more hype than practical. Any similar stories?
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LorisHace 2 meses
@Dad_a_Monk you know thos C numbers are fake and that mac C
for a lipo is 50C right?
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Dad_a_MonkHace 2 meses
@Loris Well, it has been over 2 years, so kind of a late point...The
question was not addressed to you, but glad you decided to
comment, all be it late. I was commenting on someone's use of the
word "actually". That had nothing to do with the "max C" of a LiPo
cell. The word "actually" applied to that one sentence, not his entire
post, which expanded beyond the rating on a cable. So glad you read
an article, on line, and decided to try to use the info. Good on you!
Perhaps you should have responded to @Ethan Poole and not me.
Obviously you feel a need to correct someone on the ratings of LiPo
cells, so good luck with that. So...nice comment, have a good day.
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Et Malleo Semper VicitHace 2 años

Electronically triggered plastique explosive courtesy of the Ministry
of State Security. That's what you get for revealing Shenzhen's finest
secrets.
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Bostish2Hace 2 años
damn, I always thought it was just one of those massive car fuses.
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mikeselectricstuffHace 2 años
That's a fairly typical drop for a big schottky at low currents, it
doesn't stay that low under load though.
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bigclivedotcom
Hace 2 años
I'd guess it might go quite high at the real life starting currents. Oh,
remember your little pyrophoric incident? I've just had one that I
also caught on video.
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Aroop RoelofsHace 2 años

There's a hot girl in there :D can't think about something else :D
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rochr4Hace 2 años
„What"s in the box miss fox” - love Ya! ;)
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xfuwHace 2 años
3:28 oowww
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LiqtorHace 2 años
Want a high current test? Contact "Photonic Induction" here on
YouTube. He has some nice equipment. =P
youtube.com/user/Photonvids
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Paul FrederickHace 2 años

Those looked like the cheapest counterfeit diodes I've ever seen.
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Cereal ExperimentsHace 2 años

Gotta love the random datecodes on those parts -- whatever the
recycler dragged in today!
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bigclivedotcom
Hace 2 años
And two types from the same series. 40 and 45V PIV.
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Simon CrabbHace 2 años

I guessed diode! What's the prize?
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William TomkinsonHace 2 años (editado)

As a seller of lithium jump packs, I can tell you so many are crap.
there are some good quality units such as the NOCO, but anything
that uses this cable are rubbish, the clamps break at the hinges, the
cables melt in the connector and at the teeth as all the current travels
in through 1 side, also most of the cables are aluminium. the diodes
serve 2 purposes, firstly they stop reverse connection, for about 5
seconds until they explode. they also stop the pack from being
reversed charged from the alternator, as there are only 3 Li-Po
pouches inside the 14v from the alternator is to high. the other
problem is after cranking for a few seconds the diodes fail. now all
these failures are assuming the li-po pouches dont explode first.
most of the packs that use these leads wont start more than a 4
cylinder. or charge a phone. i should do a teardown, i have several
different types of packs sitting around.
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ThanatosXRSHace 1 año
Good i have a 4cyl
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Fred LastHace 1 mes
I have a 3 cylinder.
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mattmacd2009Hace 11 meses
I love watching your videos, almost as much as do pretending to
understand what in hell you're saying!!
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The Real BubblesHace 2 años

A fuse or a capacitor or a resistor
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Shannock9Hace 1 año (editado)

I guessed a small flux capacitor - about enough to blow you into
next week :)
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DavidgHace 2 años
try using a salt water load, tub of salt water and one of the electrodes
v, (arrow) shaped move up and down to allow adjustment of load,
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Andrew WhiteHace 2 años

spodula the Vampire Yes I saw that method used to control the
speed of a Big Wheel at a fun fair years ago.
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CerberousHace 2 años
Notification squad where you at?
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Amy WalkerHace 2 años

Woo, I guessed right! :D
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BeniHace 2 años
I saw these things sometimes, when my dad welded something onto
a car, and he didn't want to take the battery out. That would be my
first guess!
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373RN17YHace 1 año
3:45 that soldering job
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Rogue PatriotHace 1 año

Big Clive is the man! Great videos and excellent explanations of
how things work.
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Zzyzx WolfeHace 2 años

I always assumed it was a diode or some method of preventing a big
bang if someone hooks up reversed polarity. I suppose we'll see if I
was right.
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Zzyzx WolfeHace 2 años
Oh, backfeed prevention, derp. I've seen some that have a red/green
LED to indicate whether or not the leads are properly connected, but
that would need to be across both wires, now that I think about it.
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Khron's CaveHace 2 años

Before the "big reveal", my last guess was "NOTHING" :D But as it
turns out, i was wrong...
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Kentucky RangerHace 2 años

@ 3:40 WOW! They really over protected! I was expecting maybe 2
high current diodes, but 8? WOW! Cudos to this company!!!
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MandolinicHace 2 años
I'm so disappointed that the spudger worked. I wanted to see you
wielding the hammer of knowledge!
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César SánchezHace 2 años

You know, i've seen some of those cables include a more advanced
circuit inside, some even have blinking lights according to charge
level and a buzzer to remind you to unplug the thing,
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karebu2Hace 2 años
I've used 3 different jumpstarters successfully before. They are all
brandless and from china. I'm really interested in how they work.
Thanks in advance
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girlsdrinkfeckHace 2 años
" photonicinductions " he will test it
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DarkLinkADHace 2 años
Clive, link Amazon, make money, come on man. :)
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Jurik RistjouwHace 2 años (editado)

a fuse! maybe even a diode update: YES!
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KYŌDɅI KΞNHace 2 años

Hah, I was right with "diode array".
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Paul GascoigneHace 2 años

I think it's a great idea to avoid party invites at Clives house. There's
too many sordid possibilities from high voltage alligator clamps to
butt plugs..
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gorillaauHace 2 años
Paul Gascoigne Oh, I don't know. Throwing a charged electrolytic
capacitor to someone, asking them to catch it, could be entertaining.
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DeltaDanHace 1 año
those jump starters are awesome!
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Ash CarrollHace 2 años

Two rabbits going at it?
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Juan CarmonaHace 1 año

That was my second guess.
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Andrew van LeeuwenHace 2 años

fuse,,cant,think about something else
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Andrew van LeeuwenHace 2 años

dammit. I saw one with capacitors ...want to buy....but the price
..damn 380 euros
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Erik BruijnHace 2 años

they indeed act as quasi fuses, however the main reason for these
diodes is so after the car starts, the car's alternator doesn't cram 40-
50A into the liPO pack.
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Ed JonesHace 2 años
Erik Bruijn and ui
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Andrew van LeeuwenHace 2 años

mondayfool Yeahhh ...if I didn't answer so quick I could have
known however tose with caps don't have them you can charge them
via the leads in seconds
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erg0centricHace 2 años
start booster? wouldn't it be easier to service your car battery once
every five years?
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Matthew MillerHace 2 años

The last several batteries we've had are non-serviceable, if it fails
within the 5 year warranty the shop just drops a new one in and
RMA's the defective one. I wouldn't trust a 5 year old battery
anyway - especially when winter comes and the engine has to try
and crank in single-digit temperatures (Fahrenheit - so negative
temperature Celsius). They also like to put in puny little batteries on
cars these days, my new car with a 3.6 liter 250HP 6-cyl engine has
a smaller battery (390CCA OEM) than my roomate's 2.3L 160HP 4-
cyl car from 14 years ago (600CCA). Heck, my car's battery is even
smaller than the little 18HP V-twin lawnmower battery (500CCA).
When it took a dump the second winter I had the car I discovered I
could fit a battery twice as large in the same space without any
modifications so the new one is 850CCA with 5 year warranty (it
lasted 3 years but I got a new one free).
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Gav CHace 2 años

Matthew Miller How strange you are getting such short periods of
time out of a battery, my Megane has just had its 1st change of
battery and is now 11 years old, had car since new, and live in
Scotland so many a cold morning to be had ❄️☃️Was labelled as a
renault battery but not entirely sure who actually made it.
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Matthew MillerHace 2 años (editado)

Strange? I'd say your 11 years is highly unusual, the oldest one I can
think of is my Grandparents had a car that was in storage for an
extended time with the battery disconnected and it went 7 years
before giving up. Most people seem to get about 4-5 years out of a
battery. My first battery was the puny OEM one that forums seem to
suggest many people only have it last about a year before giving up.
Mine went until the 2nd winter. While it still "worked" on warm
days it was hopeless if the temperatures were below about 20F and it
was parked for >12 hours it wouldn't start without a jump. In both
cases the failure was preceded by a drop in voltage as if one cell had
gone bad -- as soon as I shut off the key it would drop from 14.5V to
12.2V and then settle out around 11.5V after sitting a while. The
11.5 sounds about 2V off from the 13.8 I'd expect with each cell
being 2.1V in a lead-acid chemistry.
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Andrew van LeeuwenHace 2 años

Matthew Miller really depends ..if you care for your battery it could
be possible....however ....mostly that's the issue
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Michael BamberHace 2 años

car battery life depends on how much you cycle it. my mum has a 14
year-old Nissan Micra with same battery on. it's always 13 volts
when I check it for her. my motorbike battery on my new r1200rt
lasted 10 years but is always on maintenance charger. never let your
battery go flat as thats kills it quickly.
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Matthew MillerHace 2 años (editado)

Most of them are maintenance free these days - no more caps to
check the water levels. There isn't a whole lot to do other than wipe
the dust off it now and then. Same thing how they don't really seem
to corrode anymore these days where cleaning corrosion off the
clamps used to be a fairly regular task to perform. As for keeping it
charged...if driving 30 miles on the interstate each way isn't enough
to recharge it then I don't think anything will. Certainly the
alternator works keeping the voltage up around 14-14.5V while the
engine is running.
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hellshade2Hace 1 año
@matthew miller there are many factors involved when it comes to
new battery for your car. who makes it,how many year battery it
is ,how long that battery has been sitting on a shelf waiting for you
to buy it. if you have the fortune of buying that new battery within a
month of it's manufacture then chances are it will last as long as
advertised. within a batteries first year it must be used to do what is
called cycling if this does not occur then the battery will fail early. if
the battery is serviceable and you can open it to check water level in
the cells then you can easily check for a bad cell with a volt meter as
each cell should have a minimum of 1.5 volts. if any cell checks less
than 1.5 volts than that cell is bad.
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hellshade2Hace 1 año
@matthew miller just so you know it is not voltage that charges a
battery but amperage.yes voltage must be between 13.5-14.5 volts
but there must be at leasty 30 amps output from the alternator and
that is without anything else in the vehicle on,headlights,radio,etc
these days a cars headlights alone will use between 15-20 amps just
on low beams.most cars today you should be seeing anywhere from
65-120 amps output from an alternator depending on what
accessories a vehicle has that draw power from the alternator. just
thought you might be interested :)
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SKYGuyHace 2 años
damn...it's too early for BG vids!
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Dave RogersHace 2 años

Prevents the alternator from charging the lithium pack when the
engine starts
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fhhsvnggbhHace 2 años
thankyou for pulling that apart so I don't have to irreparably damage
more of my stuff hahaha!
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achuymanHace 2 años
bigclive favorite word: spudger
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José Luís LopesHace 2 años

Will you test one of the powerbank jump starters they usually come
with?
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TheSizzlingIcetrayHace 2 años
Guess: Capacitor to take starting load..?
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fhhsvnggbhHace 9 meses
Clive did i miss the other video, id love to know how those
jumpstart packs work.
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bigclivedotcom
Hace 9 meses
There are a few booster videos on my channel. They basically work
by using a stack of three high current lithium cells in series to
deliver enough current to jump start the car.
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stxHace 1 año (editado)

I had one of those and it worked well until it broke open. I'm
guessing the chocolate bar was a bunch of capacitors or diodes.
Made my Focus survive the winter.
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MitgardxxlHace 2 años
My spear twitches. Thanks
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BSK GarageHace 2 años

Thanks for the shoutout much appreciated
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bigclivedotcom
Hace 2 años
You're welcome.
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101rotarypowerHace 2 años
+bigclivedotcom can you please do a series on these, there are so
many, most being completely deceitful on ratings and capacity.
People would be helped to understand the difference between a
power bank and a engine boost unit. As well as understand the
different modes/benefits of charging between a USB or 12vdc barrel
plug. I added a balance plug, and it seems to help, as the cells are
generally low quality and poorly managed.
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MushiousHace 2 años
Guessing before watching: some kind of surge protection.
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TheCrakkleHace 2 años
Don't think I would like to crank and engine with one of these !
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LeonHace 2 años
I'm guessing it's some kind of surge protection to prevent damage to
the control circuits of modern cars.
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Evan ParkerHace 2 años

great video clive!
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Lake NipissingHace 2 años (editado)

My guess before you open it: fusible link - BZZZZT !!!!
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Noet GamesHace 1 año

Some kind of fuse?? Or something for reverse voltage
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Mexie MexHace 2 años

I guessed correctly, perhaps I am learning something from watching
all these electronics videos after all LOL
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Gwen PattonHace 2 años

Is it bad that I saw "Get REKTified" in my mind's eye?
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David Reade - EvansHace 2 años

I've had one of these exact leads EXPLODE blowing the cover to
bits, and spitting out fire and smoke. One of the clamps was
unwittedly on grease not bare contactor. =/ It arced and blew the
lead to bits :(
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AnonymaxHace 2 años
Seems like such a lot of solder on the diode connections, and so
messy!
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erik61801Hace 2 años
so you dont get feedback from the alternator when the car starts ;)
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SkräckenHace 2 años
I'm guessing there's a couple of magnets in it to improve fuel
efficiency.
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James GrimwoodHace 2 años

A really thin piece of wire that sets on fire, wrapped in magnesium.
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insylemHace 2 años
I guessed a diode! Yay I was right!
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playdav485Hace 2 años
i believe the block in the wire is a lossless diode made of mosfets to
prevent the car from charging the jump starter
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Kevin NormanHace 2 años

I can't prove it obviously but colour me surprised when I guessed
correctly!
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ZMBPHace 2 años
Fascinating video, very well explained. If only I knew what the hell
it all meant!
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HeisenbergdlHace 1 año
Fusable link?
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TheCrakkleHace 2 años (editado)

Got some of these last week. Quite surprised by the Red box's
contents Voltage drop is rely impressive.
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Scott BeardsworthHace 2 años

Love the videos, I have a Britpart Powerpack XS and I'd really like
to see it torn down if you can get hold of one, it' fits in my pocket
and can jump start about 8 cars in a row, it charges my phone in
about an hour and it's insane, whatever's going on inside it needs to
be seen !
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DAN RADIATION9988Hace 2 años

like the new channel image
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Dru BradleyHace 2 años

I suppose, I could have waited 30 more seconds for you to finish
talking, to hear you say basically the same thing...
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Jerney BehrHace 2 años

A capacitor?
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Moua XiongHace 1 año

Generic tracking device?
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End Times ASMRHace 2 años

Huh, I initially guessed diodes at the start, but the felt quite silly
when I heard your suggestion.
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Black turbineHace 2 años

diode to prevent damage in case of reverse connection
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Maverick WoodcockHace 1 año
Capacitors?
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hpux735Hace 2 años
Yay! I guessed right ;p
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Mrflash222006Hace 2 años
Seen these cheap packs it use - before they blow they tend to melt
the solder in the joints, They then fall apart, Cheap thermal
protection maybe ?
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minnsminnsHace 1 año
Used a lithium jump starter (from Halfords) twice a day at least for
about two weeks, started my car flawlessly every time.
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jason criggerHace 3 semanas

It's pronounced " uh loo min um "
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BIll GeoHace 2 años

Those jump starters are simply 3S lipos batteries (and b-grade
noname ones at that). I made one just using a battery I already had
for my quadcopter (4000mah 40C), some heavy gauge wire and
some good quality clamps. The only problem with them is that when
the car turns over and starts you must I immediately disconnect the
LiPo from the car as the voltage from the alternator (>14V
sometimes) can damage the LiPo. And that's why they now put
diodes in series with them.
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12799MaDeuceHace 2 años
new channel logo?
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classicshit2Hace 2 años
I would love to see one of these jump start packs explained. how the
hell do they get enough power to jump start a car? I went out to a
totally flat petrol engines fiat doblo... no lights on the dash flat as a
pancake. customer comes out with one connects it up and boom off
she goes couldn't believe it had enough power to start it and didn't
even seem to struggle!!!! I bet a normal small car battery would
have taken a while to get it going. I usually use leads off my twin
battery Toyota Hilux. keep up the great work Clive your videos are
superb and make me more interested in electronics every time I
watch!! :-)
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bigclivedotcom
Hace 2 años
The secret is in the very high current capability of the lithium cells
optimised for sport applications. That's also what makes them quite
scary, as they tend to fail violently if damaged or overloaded.
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Andrew DelashawHace 2 años

Li-po-ion cells can have crazy high current limits, and since it only
needs that current for <1 second (usually), it can draw much more
current than its rated for. So if a Lipo pack is rated at 120 A, it could
provide a burst current of a lot more, now imagine some in parallel...
How safely... well that remains to be determined.
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SigEpBlueHace 2 años
It's that "fail violently" part, why I don't use them in automotive
applications, even for jump-starting. Bound starters or dead shorts
can draw as much current as you can feed them, and I don't feel like
putting out another car fire, thanks. ;)
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classicshit2Hace 2 años
Yeah to be honest I like jump leads because if the discharged battery
will take a charge you can give it a charge for a while to lower the
massive draw and not melt something. I've used quite a few of the
classic style jump packs but they can be hit and miss. that and I'm
too tight to buy one... It makes me laugh when you get people
jumping of a 12v battery (not on a vehicle) and wondering why it
still won't start. The fully charged battery and 14.5 volts and 100amp
from the alternator don't half make a difference lol and you can
leave the leads on to give the alternator chance to start charging. I'm
preaching to the choir now. :-)
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pillsburiedHace 2 años
There is usually so much resistance in the clamp and leads that the
load is not as massive as one may think. In addition, by giving it
time, you are allowing things to heat up. And then consider that
there will be losses in the vehicle battery itself, both charging and
discharging. I believe it's best to turn on the jump starter and
immediately crank the engine (making sure all possible accessories
are turned off first). It can be helpful to have someone tightly
squeeze the clamps for better contact. For some reason I've had a lot
of experience jump-starting vehicles. I'm just too nice. The old lead-
acid jump starters are such a pain in the ass, with the need to lug
them around and recharge monthly. I just love these lithium jump
starters. They can go in your pocket and only need charging once or
twice a year if not used.
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Robert SzaszHace 2 años

For very short bursts you can have discharge currents up up to 100C
(that's peak current that would discharge the battery completely in
1/200 of an hour) A 1000 mAh battery can give peak output of a
hundred amps or so.
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Matthew MillerHace 2 años

Depends on a lot of factors. If it's a small engine it doesn't need as
much power to move less "stuff" plus it only needs to provide power
for a couple seconds. Also depending on if the battery is bad and not
accepting a charge vs drained and trying to suck in a ton of power
that will make a difference. With traditional jumper cables the size
and length matter significantly, I had a friend melt some cheap thin
WalMart jumper cables trying to charge his battery enough to start
his little Escort - I came home with my 4AWG cables and hooked
them onto his battery it started immediately. Another time I had a
friend's mini-van that took a half a minute of revving my engine to
charge their drained (but good, they just left something running)
battery enough to jump start.
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Andrew HuntHace 1 año

I have one from Boltpower I got from Newegg. I keep it in the
house. I've used it a few times and they do work pretty well for my
car. But I wouldn't try to jump a SUV or anything big. Also makes a
nice 10800mAh battery bank for phones or laptops.
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Michael ScottHace 2 años

I'm going to guess some sort of diode capacitor setup
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Chris LeechHace 2 años

more than one kind of dual pack schottke I was looking at: LT6223
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penguins forallHace 2 años (editado)

It's a inductor!! DUH! (I guessing at 10 seconds into the video)
EDIT: CLOSE.. not really XD
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233kostaHace 2 años
Fuse?
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Mr B moneyHace 1 año
I'll split it open using violence. 😂😂 don't forget fowl language too
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RBTechHace 2 años
Stupid question...The numbers on each of the diodes is different.
Does that mean they are differently rated? I dont suspect its just a
different manufacturers number as they dont tend to do
this...confused mechanical brain here.
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Khron's CaveHace 2 años

The top rows are some datecodes or fab-codes or something; the part
numbers are on the bottom row. I see two SBL2040CT and two
SBL2045CT - the only difference between those is the reverse
voltage rating (40v vs 45v), but that shouldn't affect anything in
practice, in this usage scenario.
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Mix BagHace 2 años

cant find those diodes on ebay for cheap. is there an alternative
diode that could be used ? was thinking in making a board of 5 of
these to add to my car charger for reverse polarity protection ?
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superdauHace 2 años
The changing number quite likely are datecodes when they were
produced. With the numbers all over the place it tells you they used
"leftovers" and not new stock from a reel (the dates also look like
the parts are from 2001/2002). In a proper design you would never
do that, because you must not put diodes in parallel without
precautions (this is true for LEDs as well). Diodes from different
batches will have slightly different characteristics even if it's the
same part number. And mixing different part numbers like they did
(2040CT and 2045CT) is a big nono as well. The problem is, if the
diode aren't almost exactly the same (not just the type, but in
measured electrical characteristics) and thermally coupled to each
other (at least they are on the same piece of board, so that's a bonus),
there's always one that conducts slightly more current than the others
at the same voltage. More current means more heat for that diode
and diodes conduct better when they are hotter! So the diode takes
even more current, heating up more and more. Depending on how
much you overload it, it might die immediately or after repeated use.
Now that that diode is dead, it's time for the second best conducting
to take it's turn, except now the current will be devided between on
less diode, so more current for all of them and die even faster. That's
also a good way to kill LEDs if you skimp on limiting the current of
each strand of LEDs individually.
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Khron's CaveHace 2 años

+Mix Bag, here's a link to options available from Mouser (Schottky
diodes, 20A and above, 40v and above, sorted by price).
http://www.mouser.co.uk/Semiconductors/Discrete-
Semiconductors/Diodes-Rectifiers/Schottky-Diodes-Rectifiers/_/N-
ax1mj?
Rl=ax1mjZgjdhqdZ1yuoc7iZ1ypakakSGTax1mjZgjdhq5Z1yuoc6sZ
1ypakalS1ya6ncwZ1yuo4zqGT&Ns=Pricing%7C0
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superdauHace 2 años
+Mix Bag Check how the diodes are oriented. These diodes are not
reverse polarity protection (no point in having that with power
sources on both ends anyway). They are back feed protection.
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mman454Hace 2 años
Mix Bag is it a charger you made yourself? Every charger I've seen
has reverse polarity protection built in.
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Mix BagHace 2 años

No its a very old car battery charger that can also be used to jump
start a car. one of my friends connected the polarity the wrong way
round on the battery and now its completely dead. luckily i have
another one so was wondering if i could use this diode design to
protect this one. i have dismantled both and non have any type of
protection on the output of the transformer
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Mix BagHace 2 años
thank you i understand know :)
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Stinky CheeseHace 2 años

back feed protection IS reverse polarity protection when using
diodes in this config. Can't see the forest for the trees...
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TroniqueHace 2 años
I think he just didn't notice that they were different. Yes, the ratings
would be different, but probably fairly similar in this case.
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SkyWizardlessHace 2 años
It's not for polarity protection, it's to prevent the Li-Ion cells being
charged by the alternator after the engine has been started. You can't
use MOSFETs as a low Vf diode with only two terminals.
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JasonMastersHace 1 año
If you use the charger as just a charger and don't try to crank the
engine with the charger connected, you can probably get away with
using a single high-current rated Schottky diode. But bear in mind
that if you do try to crank the engine with the charger still
connected, you'll likely blow the diode because the charger will be
trying to feed into what it sees as a short circuit. To prevent this, you
could try adding a fuse with a rating slightly higher than the rated
current of the charger. For example, if the charger is rated at 5A, you
could probably use an 8A fuse.
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rstmg60Hace 1 mes
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josh greenHace 2 años

Reverse curerent protection from the alternator, possibly just a
simple fuse, or possibly just a pretty box
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MobiusHorizonsHace 2 años
does the diode voltage drop when you put them in parallel? if so,
~0.12v * 4 = 0.60v which is about right for a silicon diode.
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Dorf SchmidtHace 2 años

Clive, could you make some experiments with your neon sign
transformer for corona threatment ?
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RalphHace 2 años
Hey Clive, i just wanted to say thank you for making these excellent
videos. I've learned a lot i wouldn't have otherwise, and been
entertained the whole way. I recently got an electronics kit for my
birthday and i'm having s great time experimenting with it, as well
as trying some soldering tricks i've learned from you. Thank you