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] '. S (?]LEMT'M'T SMUR TIEU THE E V J; ]?l E 'NC' E . YOU SIULL11 GIVE IN 7,111 .7

:: buinn~ HOW i ? ]pimD a; ti(3 H mP () R E THIS COURT SMUL 1319 '1 Tp:i TT]EI, THE

.r WHOLE MUTT'[,, AND 11+7 'TH ] : 11G BUT 'THE

: 'IC ,, so 131E'LP ' YOU GOD?

4 711117, 'W I INKS 8, 1 DO

7'f'El1'. C LF:F tl z : HAVE IL S EPA! IN THE W IT !!T'ES S BOX ) U!i ',D

S TIL'.C :E YOUR MUC E FOR T 'F[1". R E C C) M D .

TEE i W I Z'I 1] . 139 : ]!4 Y NAME IS TROY MARTIN PUME .

9 7' Fl0'.r Mut'L' IN ' FPL 4NT'F9

10 CALLED AS .A WITNESS ON' 8 11:Ei,AL E' OF THE G[)`MR N 1.a,?1q'r, 131 : I NG, FIRST

;L I DULY SW'CIM, '!'ENS' P I E+'] :E1D AS 701,14148 -

:l 2 ID ]:Ft]EIGT I m14M zi1avr ICFPt

:L 3 BY bat . rATUM

:l 4 S?• MR . PL AN'!' E , CAN YOU SPELL T D Mt LAST THE NAME, PLEALSIZ?

]L ;5

16 ~2 . MOVE JUST A :C,1 7V LE Et][`.r C 'I,t) .3 : EE2 TO ITEM 1 .14ICTLORIFIONE-143 .

3. 7 MR . FUM11:11 HOW OLD ME YOU?

3113 I 1 .. ON S X' EUl1tIS CII~I) .

1.9 C r ., ILND WORE WE-1 .12 YOU ECRU?

2' [I A. . . VOW BI t]yAC 'I FLORIDA, 'G]NDUL J RIVER COUITTY .

21. Q• YOU Mpg]! NEED TO S ]? lE'AR : JUST 2 IL 'LITTLE N()]2 E

', SLOWLY .3 + D THE,

22 COURT Ft lC? OP'.7' ER CAN ; HE M t 'YC iCC ..

23 'A' . TORO BUUM, PD DR,T I)iI, L ri]) I ABf 1 t'MR CO'i:lrn .

24 Q. AND WHAT PART OF THE C, C)u v' TR.l ' IDI D 7rly D GROW UP IFT

25 .A . , CHI 7: ( .-J A{GCI, ILLINOIS ; )MD `TE EtOR 1 31yAC 'F[,, ; FLCIFl :CbA . ; ]4i ND, SU'VA1iRUiH,

PIL'.["rI IM:G E NI, COURT REPORITS16

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:l L3 3+OR .C~3Cik . x , 11 ;B E7VE ;EN' M3 'E Z'Fi]1 ;E IR .

2 MD MU'r C : ]: '.C"Y PUt h-, YOU :L Z V' 7: t 4lx U f 13IG 1,I7" 1 K4l~r : '

~~ . S!P . &LK ;U87' ] : ]11E, F?LO RII)A .

(~ . 1 .9; , A M' E3 O DY ' 7:,'C 'V 'I ri(~ ' WI7 1 i YOU?

7 p L .. PlY 1; 2P :i~1±R 2 P;r T» " s MU N DPAIR EN rNS , MY c3 i 'Ri ,lP1t ,i E Nt) ,, MY ' ]C ,rr) , j ;lqD

I ' {;0' T ANOTHER 'KI D CYN 7'231E woC ' xua I8 DUE ANY ' D m,' ,.

Q , sirfavv YOU sA s ik NY' DAY brow, wim ns ! r u i»7E mvr r

A . TEE 2 9 7 'Fi O F' X JNE .

~. A RH YOU WORKING Ilt ANY WAY RD sHT' NOW

12 . A. . 'WC iMC,I : N G 1a A. maSFi ]:9nkr, AS ,A FLOOR 'H'C'HN]:C-;t ANf,

.13 ~Q . YOU 73, AY' A FLOOR T' k:(; IiI NI C . ] :A1R . IlI H,AIl' lC :[ w~ ()IF wC)l tlC A xtic 'roc!

,i 4 D Q1 IZ1( 7' Foit 'TH 'E. HO S P7 : ',MM?

:L 5 ;A . 7BU'F'~~:[~L~{G THE F'z,c7~~RS ~ , 1~J. A : K; 7:I 1{~ T ER PLOOR,g , STeIRL 2PE[]NG PEE

115 ]FLOORS .

.L 7 Q. RAW., if OU M T .ER s ]n N r maf "P ; P ;Ms ; :]q

7 A.7'UDLNUL?

7. ~3

]. 9 0• DO YOU KNOW YOUR WAY AROUND Y rr xr LALlFrA?

210 A. 110'T MZ' Y GO) 1D .

2' ]l 4 - NOW, MIME' WERE YOU L : [ '61 2 MG ]E' : Rair[ OcT 1011]C R, 6 7 M O' E ' 1 997 1 n 9T'lZ,

2 :. PUMCK 61M 011, 19516?

2 ~I A„ THE coma C'CIiT3!CTY ' mut,

2 Air C! .. 'Fall) wlix wux •fau !rIRBIR:Fr"?

25 P,6„ FOR POSSESS ION Of? STOLEN ~'Ti~ ()]? ;ER ,'I`7C C HP,A("w ;ES, 79 W01 ( .(?1UN '!' .1 ..

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], Q, AND WERE ' TRt):3 1R C;IL2Ut16"MR S ! RECENTLY TLESOTATq)?

Ql . D11) 'Four ]?;GEM) I Jp I I,7[''![ Z'C) T 'HHI [ i,

4 .A . . S I FL.
'YE'S,

5 IQ . W H AT !DID YOU PLEAD GUILTY TO, ;C F 1 ' C)17 RmanMB za '>

6 A. THREE 'MRS PROBATION A M , A THQ1CTSASn) DOLLIPM FINE .

7 1,2 . 14ND I WR AT' l?]Z{OS' F .(.̀1J'TOF." : i OFFICE MU S ]HANDLING T HAT CA IS a, ?

A. THE c :OB B , COUNTY :PROSECUTOR'S OPF zcT: ,~

Q• TO YOUR [i :pt()W LE Xxa ;E , If()lES THEP F 'E DI~ IEt AL ( 3,1aVETLIJ]KE1til7' EVE ANY

]', q Al 'J'TA :C?RI' T Y WHATSOEVER OVER ".C HO ETP i CHP.R{, 1E5 7

]. ]L ~~ . m), 5. l:li .

1 . :>. C? , NOW, WERE 17x}1J ALSO RECENTLY ARpJU3'PE D IN FIA)RIVIL ON' SOME
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15. Q. Affl) HOW RECENT? ti ff-EN, WER E YOU A RREI S T E M , zE , YOU IMEMOBaR ?

A. I VI]U PLFkl7 'ESZ' EM AA:L)1 ND THE MR) OF MARCH[, BUT THEY ITERE

17 CHARG E S ]FROM 1094 . I T WAS 117 OUT ;r'CA N'tw] :l1G WMUI ANf 7' FROM IFOCIL

.L 8 YEARS AGO ,

:! 9 .50, - L']HE HIM OF MARCH OF IM AT Y];AR, WEE1 EtE 3COIU

:. ID

21 S? AN D MEN YOU WERE I N 'r'H IT C I]; B B ('.OUN IT TAIL FROM IOCTOBER

Ei',N OF 1 9 9 '1 ' U INf7'7C]L MARCH 6TH OF 1998, WERE T O U VIEW JUNAREo' THAT

s . :3 THOSE {WaRARcULs WxMS OUT TE«. RE?

A, NO, SIR .

C? .. mar v 3 THE S 'PAI'[lS OF THOSE'. CHARGES?

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{~ . AND Z'C) YOGM ]K :N CFWL] EDG k, ,, WHAT :PRCI,i 2C' U'I'C)W S fl]?FI C:1: I3

S! A .. 7'Fi2f 0 ~~ (. ] , +DLA I . 0 Ur Wf P RG) :S ;EC U7'()l 1 ' S {71 ?'RI C : IC IN 2!] L OFi . ] : D;9, .

Q , Pan) T ' CI YOUR FC l YOWI,IKaG E, ,. DOES THE PHE'1E7ERIQL G C1S11 3;1tNMB,lu'T IUVJE

ANY , AL'Tl3 i'JFt i 7' Y ' WHXT ; 3 OFV 1 ETx CIVIC-11 71103'E c, FCIM RcE: .i ?

A . NO,, S3F L . .

Q~ . N '01 , li;L4'Vz !ma' c t)i a 'Pu ;2vrEni w1m: THIS

89 z NR9 $ . $ T1(UVP 1 CRT'. ?

10 ,A . y Es" sm ..

.1 1 iQ . ANT) IS 7 1i]:K RE' .fl)]ME, 1 310iE ' E']:'C T E AT YOU ARE 1ila PIrTGS TAL C . lE'E EZ FL 4L

12 C74 ,PRCRtt :C DE 7'c) 'you rN C .C71vNE rn? ;wN' wrTH ' i, r TH'E;i t lop,

.C 3 lCf 3 L'IY/ r~ 7y ASS 1' i

1 -4 A. NOT TRY NICK . THE

E; CASE : 11:p HENCE Z S AL P.HJU D Y OVER wvm,

]L!3 &91) 7.']3' E CN&F 3; Z1 FL01 Z :C '.DA , IS 9AX :C l,^„A LI,Y -- 1 : I$H ;CUGD E'UME UiiU

1 .15 CASE: THROWN O EM,, ' NCB 1 mopamK, w] [ ; P:H0 4Lf7' ANY 1 CELP .

S? • JUZ E 1,'u J H :C mrlbm 7"]3:E C .'(?iTEWDO.- ; NT' WILL m T' r w ~A G ~ C1()]) TtiICmtl] Put

1. €3 3 7 q u w :EIi!Fu1Et Cll r ',rusz CAS lN ?

1 51

2 LI g .. bf(m, 7'1i738 E~ CAARCIPH :3 IN CIDUEl C+D []brIn C .ANfL) I ELCiFL :C DA Idt 1E BUT

21 . Y'C)t1Et C NA F '1y]11i3N7!' CaEiAP '.C.1zfg f IS THAT ccl~LIUECTII

22 A. . W) „ SIFE „ I ILI,'VE A PAST i RE;[ : Oa UD .

23 ~ . D1CI TiQq' I iiVVE ~ A : PR, I ; t)lt CClr11 lxC'3'] : O]N FOR THU !'i' I N THE :3 i gV'AS NA H

24

25 A. YE"s"r S I' F[ ..
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1 IQ . AND AD407 'Fi].lR C'C)1+T V IC ,7':[ i?; N FOR AUTO x'HEN ?' r 1' rT ,BA ArMI; NA,F [ :C iN

2 APIUL OF 1191?

3 A. YES, SIR .

4 42 • D ID YOU H'pL~~1~ A. c:c)1NV' I'C.~P :WK FOR P0;3 SUS C ST 'M 01E' A. F :r :R UJt]K 81' A
3ML Clr F AGA]:1J I Ef THE :iAV AI AREA Irf XULY OF '91?

15

r S~ . INURE : ARM KAG SOME' 7.']31 EFZ' ( :1L•IAR '.O F, S A5 SOC I A9C]E ;D W ] [' [''H PEAT
C c»wVz c.rv r aIV :'

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z cr As 113 DO YOU ffik:v l~ SOME AUDIO Vi1 E F11 C.1,11ARC.1E ;S Z lif : C Li , ] :IM 2 S ]P 3OMI

13, 1S! 9 3?

12 A . UP,13 , SIR .

13 Qi . AND B0N[19 1MCP:11' PurC) 'FHEIT M&1,: 6S 7C 1+1 II IN' :3 A'VAII7

19, A. Y'E:.i , S I '. Ft .

i5 ID . -AND 1310 YOU BAVEP A PRIOR CONVICTION FOR MUTPItY ON LAW

16 ; ENFoatC:ElO rl,aql r IN ,o HMMER OF 195?

:l 7 A . YES, SIR .
: L +B WAS TEAT 7C ly FLORIDA?
19

:~ 17 S~- i7O YOU RAVE S OrQS 1Mi SIM1E MEA1101K W1!TVrt:7CONS JkI 3

A. Ylcls, SIR .

e. .. g . rI()1iJ, but . F 'I ijufn , ]9 A in YOU S ] ?: EN'7' MUC 'ii[ '. CTMfP : :[ 1N E'Fi :CB aPf ; L :N'

YOUR LZIFIETIMEP?

A,, PRl)1B AEII'a',C VIA? ;M ' Y '

~ of C~„ DO YOU FMOTAr 7 P RE DFCIE"END10r , ROBERT : Em'F UM M fI M BR, , JR .?

PA!P"T3 1ULLE k rf,, ICOCI RT RMaO3Et TER

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I A. im".5, ;i x 1l .
2 Q„ HOW ID ] : I) 'X CiL'I FIRST apm ral mw W 7'Fi I E jci E :f rrq,,Nuim r r 7

A . . THE. G GiF313 C OU 1T P 'Y JAI L i .

44 o,. cm Y ou EXPLAIN MOW Y'C1[J AND H E GOT TO MOW ]M CE[ 1]'rm El t ?

A. ~~,AAxlsy, JUST TPUAKINCk,

Ql . WHAT KIND OF (,;NME. S WOULD YOU PLAT c,ARDS?

7' A,. 5 PADW . PARTNERS ] . ZZ S PA[»E s E M,a ICp L] :; Y . WE FArAX PlAYr NG

8 CARDS T' C1( . ] E'THEFt AGAINST, 7'1i;E PLi, wr cap 'r HE; 1? l E{ OP'I,1 . IN f ~r1 HE'

10 AND DID 3'(31 U M(l) THE D E P' E N]D,AN '7' BECOME, FF t 7: BINDSi!

:! 1

»1M) DID THERE C . o]KE' A TIME 1 ifuw 'C 'HI, Dm"ornrI mNT ' iun A.akar m Ey

7L : 3 YOU ABOUT DOING SO M E THINGS FCflt HIM XF I' (}17 EVER GOT lo []"]` OF

J. 4 JA I Z. 11

9 . :i A. nsu , c8 :C ]R .

Q W+WE
~ ;N DID HE ]FIRST .APPFtO;AC' EI YOU ABOUT DOINIG ANYTHING, FOR

F[7 : 1!S?

THE COURT : DR ? YOU 'WA1r7P TO TAKE A 7 SRE Mry MIS . HANNA

19 , HAS GONE 'T0i 'PHEW SOURCE Q Fl ` '.CIEIAZ' 1 10 I sE ..

20 :MA'. . W RA,7I' .. MA7C1 3' E WE' COULD PAUSE FOR J119'

.[' A. 1sl],MEM' .

27. THE Ci DU'F:7C ~ THEIRS HAS BEEN A DD'T' OF RETUYVATION WING

.z a ON 3:14 THE CatRrrHaUSE, AND sO NnETrME€y IT, TAKES A n~;~~ mimrres im

2 :3 ]' IGL'RE OM 'WH:F ~lut T`EI11 . NOISE I 5. 1 _OM;IM 3 FROM . ]:'.C I S PROBABLY

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25 2% . friFt; AY : .C E ]. T Z S GOING TO TIME A ]:.. I T'7' LlK M-11

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;P.AT '7` 3C ALUM, COURT RRIPORTHEIR

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IL GR T] 3 S S ]C WOULD 'WP X'.C TO TAKE A BP'.FNUK . ] : THINK MR. -, PL AtF C :E' SS

Z'1. .3T= r IcuRr I'll ; C:MTr'C)FZT .AIV "]' FOR 7E'1i E JURY T () ]HEP.LI! . I DON'T W ANT ' I' OC

N C C'f t:1 K Wa 11i I N 'C. „

4', THI; COURT : I ; 1S'T' 9. TAKE A SA[ C1FtT Ext I~'u .

(RECESS TAKIRT)

s ousmi EVva v TEE mn.ir i wA, s ap- a luc.rv r i1F. r 0 IWEP ccUkTR OcrrR . )
7 . I^ iD u: 7" . lv.m . P 'I junE , ( :17;M 'E : {)1l EA ('. 1t [1l' ..
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8 1 KR . WRA Y : LEV ] ME , :[ lE' t 1 RI GE ;T ,, JUST ASP : TIRE : LAST 9 .10)

9 O R 7'li 1EtE E : Q1X E 5I 7' : [ ON S THAT ][ , A SPAPO BEF I?RB VJI~ E R ()IC: E .

.l 0 THE : COURT : : SURE" .

:E 1

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1 :3 BEING ]P :REV]CI)US I , 7C D i]'IAC 'SW'Cl11 t]3 , 'PH 'A; w IT'rIE .3 S STAND AND

]'. it 7P]RST ] :F :[ ED P71RT'f lER .A .S: 1?'OLLC)WS

~ .!a I) ;I :LR E,C:7C E2Al S;r :NA7' ]L 17N (( ,/31NV D )

:MR, WRA1%

~ 3 ; ]3' EL1 f~1J'E I AS It E'D YOU mm; YOU s ]mm' MUCK 7C ;I;Mz ]GV F 'Ft]CS{ONI
1 FI

19~ ~~ .. Asf1) DO YOU KNOW 1 ' 11]9 A :(N3 :ERR' om P1T IMI uz Et, zr1Z,?

zap A, . ;8,,
n SI'F t ,

21 Q. ,ANfI) ROW DID YOU C'CfZCR TO )KNOW 11IM?

zz A. P L A7C:r INC c8 ]? ,ADss rQ G. F.TPiER- ,, AND C-;P.RDS AND S-TUFF ;LI XIC THAT IN'

.z 3 T191; CIaBEi CO vzSTY JAIL .

.a a Q . AND D:t :D Y ()1J ASC1 ) HE: START TO EIRCOM E l?;RIE ;Z n];S7

;t 5 A . YES, : 3IR. .

PA .T74 :[ ALLIES, COURT 1UPORTER

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i 0. A ND n :[ :D THEME COME It TIME IW H1 :rf THE a) ;E SF Ni?A N T A1P PIRC)AIMEi1

2 ',iCiOu' ]wo[]'Z` 1)iDZrfG3 ,Sam THINGS FOR Him ;rE' YOU Evim a?7[' ouT Or

3 ;JA I II :'

A . YES I -BI :R

{~ . DO YOU RECALL RM17i6"T H xA! WHAT MONTH AM ) WHAT 'fCEA ft :I'T mw `

I
G 7'l -MT file F'H tl g'r P Lm? 1EtQA,C,'13 ; ED y''Ou ?
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FI . . mi., FIRST A PP]11OACM]E' D ME? ,A5 M[l037 Pal,' A BCIM DOING SDICKITEING,

cm ' TAS srW; 7N? Mm IN G REM ;ERp L

~! III T17: 1) HE" BEGIN 'P,AILK :C]Y+G TO YOU IN GOTMAJ., ABOUT THINGS

1 C~ YOU MIGHT B z waIz]v+G 9 '() DO FOR. E[]% CY THE OUTSIDE?

i i. A . THE' ;B EC'r7[ ] !T.NI M`s OF 7'.! i '98 .

~~ I Q . AN A WHAT WAS T r13 F-Dt,sIT Tl 3.i ,NG ~ mqm, 7 C1i'E tiEu?;mmun piFZ olUGHl7? up

13 : E'CiTL YOU TO P Of::x IB1.7C DO F0,'k 11714?

14 A. W EIX, IT WASN'T PCM :il3 'TBIX i a0, ]3 1D' T f[] 'r 'Wx%s ',CEI a,7Cm b i l E A BICRT' r

:L 5 ]3 U Gff ;Z 'Et 1,F?X IEN rD,, 'WHICH I~ ~ ]-KAT 'FI IM I N E C 1KxL IXlt, HIM PA AHENT S: .
HU'E' A

:L 6 LOT OF MONEY, MONEY A ND BARKS AND W f'1'IFF ' , , OWN It LOT OF E17 k]kTKS,

2 1]15D, FI I, 9A 6 7: ]? H E WOULD :LIKE : TO ONE DAY ; HANT "REF. : C 1 Nmm: [ 'F POM CIE'

] . 19 7']U' :3 TUE'E ", . H A INF F. 'HEI$t 1?A R ,EN.V 5 MID AS ,1; THEM COME UP bZ :Ci SSI ' t KiT* O p:

V1]1AT 'ERtOR SA C) 8 H E WOULD ;IN FEM ;I 'T' 7'13 ; E WHOLE 7m ; I :NG .

2. () Q,, MS]L; L, DID F[E- ' DES[_] 7TH S T 0 1'I) 1 7 IN ANY MORE I) ]WT A.3,L HOW XT

23. BFC]~:Z EN'ECD TEES C'Oin1i ;D SE AC'CU41R L I;M'i;B 1011

2i A. .. L ML M ;I ;N G THE C'li]l I8 '7'iti43 FI()]LI Dl17( ,3 WrF'fl -IM TIME WHOLE FAMILY` :Cl 3

Z3 O NT1 t, HAVE ErtF]ER X'kl (N)'Y' T, ()1)1Lt EV C:P1R Z 0 F AT ONE TEAT W AY

24 NOBODY E1 ;,98 ]: .3 L FT'T , A1+ 1]) NOBODY ELSE ] :8 IN THE WC]G ;G .

25, Ia . WHEN YOU SAY TO pR,Er1 +CA.F :f OF -- • -

k'F17M )LIZ :EN' , 0OtJ x tT TtKoC)]t'm,

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A . EFULL21Y.

a , t) :[ 1D m : SAY TO YOU,' T F[&C IS, DID THE L31 .]E'EN D2Uff SAT TC ) T0 U

3 MURTR ;ll HEM WANTED ;MS, ]K2E1 F IM' s FA K2 LY ]~iLr.2,~a Yr~~ ;L ;NE~f7A]~Y, C?l.t A ,Z~

e4 SORE INZER, POINT?

A,~ ES oHE iA7 E R POINT . THAT W 'AISP l1 " T MULLL Y 1t1 E UMIUlT R x G H T

ER Z' H 1I1 I . THAT :[ .5 S OME 'T EL 7 : NG THAT WOULD hA]? ;PEY WHEN 1 11 E WAS ON THE

57'Ftl' 'ET' , AND ALL OF 'n5 man our or n I' I '~ :LIR :FC ;I ;N 7'f imq F'LT°PU Et R «

T 'PLIC WAS' 1J' T SW1 METH : [ :NG 7C RU' WA S G ~ O :[IVl G 7'() HAPP ]SM A:]: GI EiT' 7 :`REN .

9 Q. DID HE C :C'V B YOU Par't I lIY) :[ C AT ] : ()]!1 OF WHY F[l, WAS 1B Ri' rTt3 :iN G

10 THIS SUBJECT UP TO YOU :[]v PARTz C"LrLUO

1Z A NO, NOT WRALLY .

12 + DID YOU ] u q.D E «, DISCUSS THE P crS .s IElLrn l7 a iNT YOU rta: cxHT EsiI
13 'PHEW PIERSON WHO COULD HELP HIM WITH

:L 4 A . POS .I 7C]3 LY' ,.

Q. W ELL,, ;P OES .3 : [ : 8L71' HELP HIM?

7L i5 A . POSS113LY 111IMP 1111q .

17 Q • ticks THERE JUM'F[[]v{G FCI;:SE I, 7C lC'E THIS 'NUT THE D R EFF:7!~DA If7C

]. ~3 ]U3;IC EIf YOU TO DO FOR Fi;LiM3

A . LATER ON, PRO BIlML Y P LFtO lLJN D ,, ;1 WCII13L :p SIXT , N[]:]) FE;Ef]tl UASi I)7 ID F '

1 .99 8 .

2 '. 7. Q „ OKAY . 1 T HA 7` ])m file ASK 'Yo[ r ',CAD LOT

2i A" El,' STARTED 7'O 'U'I.L Mli : ABOUT 3 41 8 C G[3N TFCNI; E'E1 7C CASES RE: 1 '01I]

2 3 '. :7C]H THE E' E ; I)]CR AL GR 17vE RNM ENf7' ,, .AND T ;H RA.H WA S O1~E W : C T NE MS , A GFOE lwS T
%I]

24 H1; P1 , WHICH WIV3 HI;S S X '. - 411M, MID ] : S E M: 1 EVE HIM NAIR TO ]3 :E

25 , JP~I'T11 'IF' E~~ ,~ ,AN SI) AR S~A :L ,D ' 7.']i+' Pl'T' 11? SEX WAS 7 C1]~DH ', ELr~ +CAF+,~ ~,~~ ~' "r lit

PATTI ALLEY ,, COURT RETORTER

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S 4 .,

]L W()l'J:L DDT ;" r EVE ANY WITNESS ES AGAINST' HIM a! HIS 1! '.EL]FTA;L

v;rF 111cH' XS A. t.wYUMMUR T T CASE .

S~ C3 ~ H E WOULD 'P G HAVE HIM T 'CO C : EN' ("a4 1ft E ()7? , PIT])

4 WHIM I SAY TOOK EN .

Y -RE OF, I ;M UlIr ME SAME 7M IC: A S IAfST'

W Eq: 1 ~'; H ] :S ;KI LLIED S () HE V10l9 '7' 13 .AV 'E : 30 OVE TO 7C ]ES U: 1 ?Y , M)

W 'G I[FL, DN' ' 7l BE 1' O UND ( xU I LVC IN THE FEDERAL CAS IE, W TI7NM WA S A,

7 CC iCRM PYEErl { .'aL3E .

Q. A N fT1 DID 13 1E G7:lnE YOU IN f 7P13i9' C0;NV 'E R .3 A TYC1l !T AitiY ;LN 'TI]: c :.M Dtd

9 O F WHY HE WAS T'UR bf]: ]!Tis v> 'You FOR 7n] 'iIS F[1 m p?

.L 0 A . I LOOKED LIKE : 'C]H 3 TYPE C)] F PERSON THAT WOULD IN) TIM2 K1111)

:l 1 OF WORK .

Si . ;[ s 7'F w WHAT H1 . SAID 'ro iCo U7

'.l .3 A. YES

14 Q. I) 'E'D HE ' TALIX ABOUT ASI'. C r;Hll+ fc3 INS M vRT 'Z ; (,1'JLAR. ABOUT YOU THAT

] . ."i CUME HIM THAT ]SD IC 'A ODD N' i'

FI .. HIM ALM ) Ma]tYON M ELSE

. KNEW IN 7'1i l 9 JAIL W 'E: W ERE :rim THAT j'

P I F,13;N ]: ZZ + GAI f( y ;5 A ll : MY M .FE 7C W C, FCXIY,AGCI ., x C~(7'P ol`jo !I' QCIs ALL OVER

z ~r N DF BODY, SO : [ POSSIBLY IWO M; ]3 H E 71 HE 7 .'7C 1PE X31 ? PF RM]:N ULU WOULD

19 Li C) i3 lOM u:'.PJ;iINfC; LIEi : ~ ; 'PHAL7.' ..

20 Q, D O YOU RAVE !i?Al700 .8 CH YOUR ARM!?

21 A. I G(YP 3'KMOCI93 ON' rr.i C AMIS , EMNYMACH, BACK, CHEST .

22 i~ . T Z K)]v' Z' WANT Yin 7'0 ' TA6111 s GET YOU716 IS ;HIF .7L' , SIR, BUT IF ' YOU
.z 3 ccLuz ov . n - ,. xF YOU w 10 xn0 , iiinui :vr v ll . ARI? ]DO luf Y O E F IrH OSE

214 T.AZ`7'(7135 MWE ANY wu t'PIC'[Fl A R S :CI,N'I;F [ C ANfC'1: WS1'11 ft E.t]? 1 BCT' TO T'FEF.

25 G .A M4 A c 777MY ! cRR7' YOU rIMIrT ic>MR:ol?

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.F,i 4 li

~~ .I' '' 34 S MMY , !'ti D U' MOVED AWAY' f aRIDM ; 7']iiB N[] : (-11. OF "F[(71NE .

pLt TWO ONf mlC A sm , Am) THERE I 5! ONE FS ~C c; ONE' 1ONr rsY WNoLE

4r S'7't}1 IRC' FI THAT I:+L1V1 ;Ft:3 MY W1fiOLFE iS' TCIDMIZH P LFtl.,p, va P F m?IEC E' Snclq'r$ C TIkm

5 '. A,C:7" : C'VI 'I 'YI

5 Q, AND WHE N YOU SMIRE: yM GR;I;t1(r A .A .I)1719D THE C'C1I313 C'OZA fTl' ~Lkl Zq

7 WERE THOSE T'F oni Ocl:t ]AR,canL'Y v]:.3:TB1,11?

s .A . i WOULD SAY CIO :PEROEWT '01? T H[ ~ 2 TIME, YES: .

IUD DID YOU AND 'THE DEFENDANT :3 iPEC ;]:]?;ICAa,rC rascuss YOUR

:L 0 ]ViC'K(,ROUM? M )ri 9.'R .F 08 'HAVING E IF:Lo'1N IN 1 P:RZ .~t)W 1 ALN77 I F G,ANGRI.i r AND

.~ i WF[A .mmra

12 1k. irES, :3 TR ,

13 Q. JUT D EI ]C731CU r S{ .3 :[ : N G THESE T '.FIIIr'fC:,y WITH ' X aiCr, DID `I I)13 'E'E,r' n)iUT

]. ~4 EVER M L L HIMSELF BY JU!TY C T13BA . NAME OTHER r C'1EiAV 111S M N?

IL „ ;,r( ;,J i E; THE :[ lvnvuG . S Fm,, wnf 7" :BY,

X Ei c1 . LI]:l) HE: TW ER. TELL YOU fr11M J(„7 57'Of] ;D FOR?

17'

p! . WT[() DO YOU [rIM'ERSTAND JOHN' C ;cxr'Ti 7C0 IBI x.?

19 .A . . J 0F[11 GG7"'.Px I; 1719DE R ;3 :L'.ANfIB TO BE .A NEW XCIEgC CRIME PI(MIS .

20 MR. . 1EiAA B ][]v : ()13 -J E t, 7R ;[ O N' .

.Z I !ntE~ 000'A :7' : C/SI] VtEta lLLPJD .

;z z BY MR . tMUN

23 (2 . :r' M : .s OR R,yA ,. 701111 A NSK.&R v U s ?

2 41 lk . NEW YOU, (IRIME BOSS .

w 7 (2• DID F[]-,, MFE?]ZB THIS TfMfE oI ClI cm WAS I" x m 1 ;MiJfI,'.rIP uC

1P.AT'7' 3L ,ALIJI ;]J ,, C:f)137EtT' Ftls-1R0A'.7'HER

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'101' . 4 - J1114 23, 1 -) 918

54 7

:1

2 A . l2ITLT'] .P]u,M CI(:C.ASZ' OR5 . ff E H IL ) 111' MOTZ alN SOlKE r[I,rCER,1,JU18 .

:3 3: f 1K SORRY - WHAM?

4 fiHl~ HAD 'E'HE : 7[1IZ7'] :1ULS IF !31]:ME: r M'TE R :C AL SI Ff;E H 10] M '

THE J'IL :nL t13: 1113 CURS AND ,STUF11 Li'FCEE TH RC, DF6][30Ir'tG Ci] I} S .

Q. DID T'F.M, ;DBE'EC]!IDAM OF'F'INt TO YOU 7[1!T A M 'WALY FOR .

tl PL .1 Ell; WOULD :MAT~I, MY BOND, mD~ THEN mr"PE'Fi : :['r ms DiCItTIz, Y :

51 WOULD SHOW HIM PROOF UiiMT 19? 1WAS 17 ID Ng! , i UD :1 WOULD Em? rociiags

cILICE CIE, ;WTEIL TOM 3:vxW MOR2 .

Q. SO, 'm, ZdoNEX THAT H E WAS G C)] :lvGj TC) PUT 17 ;P FOR YOUR HOW),

12 'TWO :M :CfDCIyf YOU W E R1I," 1 GCi]:rTl 3 TO 19 ;E E;NT ;T'TLFW TO Ff1EEF' :`

13 .A . US,, ;BM',, S E Z ,, IT' MII5 PL (1'4SH! BOND, MOT A 10 PIE:RUIrr Bnit1),

14 'rHmt13 W'A~:i 150, BONDING C O rZ]?ANY 7flTMI.'iT1 ;:p, 200 -Pd?"[';ER, ALL THE C'CliTlt'T

:C 5 DATES 'WER13 OWIR, I WOULD GO' 7C1i ;6 FULL CASH ALAZ()1LTN3' RAC E 1k ;F TPR

:1+5

17 0 • 7W DI WAS Z 1[MIZ JUq AZII? ;['P :CClrt7 uL D ~ ] : ~i1~1 USS~]C I~1N, I) :C 13C 'uS ;3I oT r ap

IL S 2UDDI' 7' :CO NAIA HONEY FULMI Eli ', DOWN ' THE I ,] : 21 iE?

A. F ix ltm'FMM 101 C IMW T'b[H LINE I W}U LD, SO CALL I ED EIIz 'TC MUR N CARE

~, () OF, WOULUP T H AFRE' p Nceint:rM , !ro virmuzz

~~ . . P LIM J UST BIL:r :[ C A 1, ] 1'iC D 7 ; 1) 'THE

: 3] : E FEMI4N '3 ' 17 E SC:Ft : [ ;B B 77 1) YOU , AN'A '

2 .! Fojuv PI ci n;;n R PLAN JUS TO ]11D WI 7'1iS NRTIt1DLA, ()IF 14 :E,,,. A8118 FO F-D WAS TO

z Z TAKE F ' I ak~ M'

24 A. . THERE WAS SF11T]E;RA L ]]IF'P'! 111ROT O;P T' I;(')R5 us1vP um TALKED )LB1)Um',

25r

i,1vr TI Ji] L;LE 3 C,. CIOUrEff REPORTER

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5 '. X419

]. I.7 ' AND ];' VEA.YV7KIiVK ; OF F[()1 4 III, WOULD 1B E I)c)INE .

.' LI . D 7: 1) THE ]D EE'E MM AN "T ] 3.FlVW ANY 801 Z'T OF cODf: :NAM]a OP '. 11 ;IcRx'[ma

G . P zJUq A .?
A. , -us,, s m .

7 . AND roMBFIX DID THE t » 3FEVrz)2UqT ILc .TUALLY ASPIC YOU 70 TX) VEE

8 aK I LL : [ ;NG 2 '

9 JA . IN A 1PL AX: 1 47, CALLED 71i 1Z RUM SHOP WH EFM :E SIM' SLrp 1 ?i:) S Ej) ];'T

:L 0 W OP', PC HOD A61 ' ..

11 J~ , MM MA T' 7' :E79E' C)1? DAX DID THE DB1a'ENTIM1T EIITG3E'EI7~ YOU C1o M1o,[7:',C
12 7RE rMIRLDE.'IL?

3.3 2 k. 1ultiourrri) iz :o0 CJc .LOcK ak .M', movErri3 WHEN Tr FIRST opur;r rNG

]. At 7N3;E r. [OJtNI rIC. WHEN IT IS NOT 'MAZ BUSY .,

] . ;a 51 , . DID H Lri, 'r E L I j YOU' 7 H,A,7` IS , DID 4'1 [l 1 DEF 3,0l KDPIl ' r T'2L]G YOU 1 WH3 '

1 . f 'e HE ' W'ASt"r] E:E7 1'01J x' CI C"1DMN[ ]:',[' THIS WIF tI) lE'R XC 'TH f F : SHOP iU C)1 ]1P OS E.I) TO

18 A, .. PlECUSE IRE Z) ;[] ];N•7' IaA N71' HIS KID -•-• YOU ]C]N OTriI,, S HE. l ?LpS [ Or PL

19I SC }27, MR) B UPPO5E 'TI];,I C HE : D ;I ENf'' ~r ' WA1+Trr HI S ]1 Z D 7L`I] W 7:",L9 vE S :i 'rMit

20 MVFl1);ER, ()]? HIS 1Nia 1`F[]MR , ILIM 11! WOULD BE ' IM IRL7C :EMSY A T' THE FEH-11B

21 ,SF3,[?]? . ASR) 17' COMD Ii GSCI LOOK LIKE ]k ROBBERY '.VOOIi : P :GA, C :IP1 .

122 1~ . 1NOW,, 'k' H l: f> ; HE'A 'M SHOP ' PHA i7 ! YOU HIE N7' ] ; O]vE Ei ,. jH[hV1 ; your

:z 3 ]3$Ext ' P0' 7 ' ]UT Si]iO P7'

:t 4 jk . H1 o1' EPTER. M) 71[1 :, 3 DP ,Y .

42 5 0. ]i,AV'k : YOU HV ER BEEN 7'() 'THE :[ :NT'EMl3' EC'7']C 17;N H IH1KU 7MAT' ;>1TO P ][ ;3

PA .7'7':[ .AIIEW , COURT MKIPORMICIZ

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I A) C A7! E I]?

A. rl0, s ]:lt .

I):C 1D TFf]9 a~;E 'I~]!~;DArf7P . 5T'p~t'.P TO 1)lEtAW JUTY ;10 R T [)1? DIPL(, R AML TO

ULU57 'I tikrE HIS FUN Z'{) Y O ui`

k, h[F . S T P' ,LE!'.P ;ECID TO DIU ITi+T A D7 [i IVIT A .P M , AVf) 'I'HP i PZ :HE '. Fr : C+~Up tF ?M BE

LI] : 1]lq "I' % AN'I ' F1 :IS FUMMU,7C '.CIN 'G~ !)]9 P Lfff PA I)ER, . ' () 'HE : 1M L L E :D IT UP

AM) 1371HR111.19 IT TO TIM SIDE' .

Qt TEE COURT ; IX) YOU RECALL A zt)17'i' WHEN 7'Fi1u wk ;'s 7

T 'H[Fr wI i't 11g,35 : ,mm! WAS AROUND THE ]rm D, u? FEBRUARY

920 'TC i irT& 4D S ?V9:R CF[ 'L'as ]l S'F . :C WOO SILY AROUND 11313 'R UIlRY 2 i '7P1COF.

2 8 TH .

.12 ]BY M . Mt7Vr ;

:! 3 12 . WELL, L i;7 ! ids ;am Y'tytr KPH Z : ,~ ,, MR ., ]PLAS'r7N E, JIMP i r' tG, ARMU a A ,

:L 4 LITTLE R] ,77,, DIM YOU ;y U B SE tZ U EN T]ff AXTER E UM NICi r L'' H ESH

15 CO NVEH t, 5A,'!'] : () !NS WITH 7'l3lE Eif'JIF] ~a NDIRC T 'FAT YOU S T 'ARrCED TALKING

7L 15 X1 0 tI 7' ,. DID TO U M. CTEDW'.C T ` CI t:O N'I7 1( :'r TIM . A[]I .']i17;RI7' ][ ]E67

] .'7

1 . SI 7'IL ' COURT : JUST TELL US WF UC YOU '.DID . .

2 CI 711113 WITNESS MAIIN47

21 . nE z comer : JUST 9'HS' :LL , US W210 YC ILJ ]DID,

22 TIME, W I TNEM S : A S E"NI A ,:i 1iVH EV? .

23 TUR +^OUL :P : C :c)u TA, C;7 a1NG 7 nte ALtrriRm:rCL mi .,

24 THE WIT'rl E ;s S : :[ W I ri'. P TO J+Sg UN rEP'. MD TOLD 1[ 41]K 71119

25 I S MU'FIO I1 . I. IM) F[ :L ] K C: {)Z CE V ']: ;i ;C 'r b[ IC . I . GAVE ]3iM [ ALL THE

F'IL7!', CI MLE N, (; 13UA.7' R: EPCIFt'. ['ER

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V OID ~~ - JUN 2 :I, 199E 3

!s !5 Q

PiW ERtiVQRR; AND TIN DIJUIEtAM '.I';EIA3` WAS tiq' WE'LI 17:P Clt? EVIFtTxH'I;NG' ,

AND TOLD HIM T' CI {µ1;3N'!'AC'P THE 1 G 0VIMNMIENT, AND TEUVE!"S WHAT 1119

3 DID .
7'H]R C, C)jJRT : 14,90 IS Y '[ I[TR LARTIKR?

VIT' WITNESS JIM ANDERSON .

THE CCURT : JUITD MIZIN DIN) YOU C a MAC T 1[:[ 114 ?

T THE W I7'Zd]ESS : I C :OI!T MC:7 ']37D JIM . ANDERscIr r ROUGHLY

AROUND TIM 2 #3 '[';EI CIA! F E,EiFtU ARY,, CM THE LEST OF' I'MRCE .

TIES COURT : JLN7 p WHEN YOU 1 CQ1M 'RIC T E 1) ;fiZrl, , WHIM !DID 7 M'CI

10 SAX TO 1[114?

THE W ITIVE ;33 : :1 TOLD HIM L, O 0p;,, X C : 2 U!T f T ' 7P]UZ To YOU
1:) I,.It
:r 2 v i x1 , Ez r~ i toO 7'0 com iDMlki IKERX AN D VISIT YOU .

;l 3 . t E1011E S' 7't7]?F ] : NEED TO ,CHI?'W YOU AND :rm,F: 'L'i Q YOU Am (S uT, ME) F[S:

:C 4 DID COME MCD VISIT H13 LATER Cim 'rna' iuT'E mlVi D uf .

]L!5 BY NER . 'WFA'.C

3 .15 a . A ;r .!rmTIME + RNf ti ?]YAT ' EM.;,;Et DAY 17' WAS y"()u C' C1 wnAC'7'm) YOUR

1'7 I'.jk+W Y'E3t I N THIS F'l~' ~ H T (?1!~ , EULl) 'THE 17IRG Ft7N Y{)1'7 R .FT ]3]ftR E'II 'r0 il

1. E3 ri()]KENf7' A&G0 :C]v P 'E;31PIONSor. To rrr Qtmon 3'rICa :rum THE D]RP E'N3l i 4;NT

1 SI FULL;[.ED Up, I iiPi:D THAT ALREADY C IIIMED's'

2 CM AL . TIM EAI) ,AISIIUDT pCCMUCED , 7C]11 6 , SIR .

21 . THE CoCI tFr : rIIY w, x.aET P.M.' M g; YGo TRI s IV r THIS PCON'r,

22 HOW DID '.e ]J E ' rfN r T'E:Ft 0 F ' MS . &CS11710A 1) C10 MLF: a7P? TELL 34E WILia

,23 .14C, 7'ZM L L y" 1WAS MUD . HCtW DI D 7INKAT COME UP? T+ nio SAID nuvP mt) 1J'T
.24 .L T ?

125 THE ` ri'i 'TIVfESS : H]B BROUGHT IT Z'C} MR . I Iif EM ER, KNEW FCI.I1

P'PX .C I JALM;E N , ( .17'U R ,7' 1t E PClR'.C ;ER ,

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V 'CI L 4 -• : 7 1CTN A231 1998

55 ~,

BER Ft S TRUV rs O FMMR ,

2 !r Hk: COMM
.
: wrf[JV. r WAS SAID AROT rrr I z' ,r J crIK :'r T IP Iff IM

REMEMBER . WHAT WAS SAID .

4 . I +T IMM ,~ 13 :
7H& ]C 11 Rk,F?]~]ftE 'r1 (',l . TO VIM' WAS SA :r M, MO UT

5 DOING IT , OR W F Lv P r2o SAID A.EI() uI' 11? 3A N ' U1ViNf Ct ,t

'.['IEEE' V1: C 'I'N 'E M ;3 : REALLY W HAN WAS SAID WAS P[F . "WA YC1 E; D I 7'

s3 IT l] iORM31 CARE OF, AND, YOU MOW , HE WOULD BOND M OW ' T O 7Piv LCE

CARE, ()]E' I T ]FOR Firm, iu vD ]: WAS 130, N ]D E3) O C1 71 ,, AND ; C DID c a lIrr7mciT

713 E ILZre:H OR ]C ' N ES, INSTEAD OF :pGi :Nc3 W EWT , Y 'Cf[J 'KNrtftiJ, Ell : I'rTANMI'M Kk .
]. :l 7't) 17ICi . .

]. ~r 7']3:E C :017 1RT : ] k TG F[^C ,, E M7C TRY 'C AD F,~~r~~M fEl~s]t, IK7 YCi j T

F t 2 MENEBlMR, FOR M C7UKPiX,, WEMIRIF. Y '0td ALL WERE.' W EiEIf THAT :S 1CTH,]'v.c .-!r

3.41 N OU'VE 'Ft CAM: 17P 3

711113 W']
; 7P1.T ES5~ :L 39 T Ft IP, DORMITORY IF THE (: f)]~ ;6
1 Ei C'{)17 7RTY JAIL ]TEAR: MIR, F!1']3KK S . YCi iI ]iCNCV,, IT' ][S SEM? 'UP' WHERE . :CT' S;
17 A,P r o Pm 1a0Pi Z: C'1'0 '!7 x .r BUT mum ]alE KII C Z BE M ;3, IM] T' h TRE ' S. LIKE : FOUR.

Z El A1MIX BEMIS ON EACH S T DF: . .

1 9, TEE iC OMt'. l' : MIST 7y ]:: GL, rll3 H OW ' um E: C q'NV MU3 . AZ' ]:0]K W VT:C .

20, 'MY 'M F012 KEVIE llM EXACTLY WH AN WAS SAID .

21 'THIS: W I TNAN 5 : UM AX KAS SAID WA S 01 J!5T , Yf)'U R311)+W, Gr c]

22 ,u1miar 7HR rsa RK a:Nss w EENDv SHE a1FIRMs VIC' s E:o1? . ikc.,r LIKS
.123 :1110.1 AR ESC ,E' CC17"]3.A LI, ]?LA,Y 'Ia]t . TILL HER.L I'' rs IN~'la1~ES '7'1~1D lbr I~;l2C $17?1 j
.Z 4 AND 1)lE'VEM()IEYMF .'Wr A'EkFM5, Y()IJ R;rf()lN , C IUMY ()3!T A , R2,iV UxJuk

25 LIKE YOU HfA`T7g W 7:7 M A bf ZWERX DAY ]?'LR SI C)N IN THE

PA7Ti ALL RN, C 70 UA '.7' ] MIC1FiTLA .

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vo z. j ~ - :rtnu 2`3,, 19 518
552

1 :3'riOp . F'. ,, ANv 'PEiE ,M w 7' () THE 13 ,A M ., AS EL ]KEA . CAN ] : U SE , THE

2 1 t ] EST 'F .(I Ia] M, AND IN THE &Arx 1fam, THE, l tIE n' EL (~J1 MS JUI E I , (?I^ ;A~' ~~Y)

:3 7CKERI : IS ALL-130 LIKE A 3-M 39A(, ;E TABLE Cfl t SOMETHING 'WH 'P M ]1 T'HE"r DC 1

MU 5 AIC # 13 T H f kNW1' : C l!+I 7'1 Ils HERB H :CH? . 7' WAS TO, YOU KNOW, pL .i K H'E:F t

V11-MI! AW E THESE NOU SA,GE. T A B ]a1E'S B ACK HERE ' C)R, G E'7P ' HETL IN THE

6 BACK OF :
THE :3H OE' ,, . ANTI WHEY I G E 7` HER BACK THEM :, I THAS

SU ? :P C S 1.F:D TO 13 1PURALK HER ]1, ECK,, A N D THEY PUT A 1 5 M11TUTIE: SIGN ON

THE Dcatr pun) Pull? ]REP . :C1i Air 14R N E7i' lE'IEU ) .BAG',,, AND CARRY HER,, Y O1tr

Iuf(?wr OUT 'C) ;ru 7C1imfP : ICE n is uu[ ,, Am ) 'TAE :i . HM CAR W.[ :r H b[3 c

10 BACK TO !i AV AI'1N AH r GE:RQT .C : :L A, AND LIFt() iP HEM B0I17[ OFF 4, ANV l? 'LE T FINER

11 CA A 'I N 7'1 ;1 E ' ATLANTA ; AIFiY{}],1'T, AND MUM I.7^ LOOK ;LI KE.,, IF

]. 2 .AN~I'7P3H TN ~t. ,' WIMZJ THEY I rfI) OUT SHE WAS N [ ]: ;3 ;5T NC. ANXI (.1q: N'7' FIAT)

13 : HE'Rp THEY ' E'l rFI) 'H SR. CAR, IN THE,- AIRPORT >]UI K Ir'f(r LOT :[ ;N A7L' aCA AN'T'A ,

;14 A NT~ THEN TIM THINK S H E' r1, [ I G H7 ' HAVE ; TUSZ' TOOK OFF 6 1 : [ '1'H ' ALL THE

:L 5 MONEY IN ~L'1:iE CASH FLl .I". IS T F;11 N EMER T (} ; B E EMO N ' AGLU Nf .. 'T HAT ' S A

7L ' ) THE COURT : WHEW THIS '.DISCUSSION CAME" I] 1',. W HAT 'WAS :

1.13 SAIL, ABOUT WHAT YOU VERB GOING, TO CUC '. C OUT OF T1113 MUU?

1 Si THE WITNESS : I WAS GOING TO GET 'Till : T 'HCOLMAN D i

r . () DOLLARS B A ,M FROM 'TH IS. BOND,, AND i gE'T' EIM r YOU KNOW, Y mxiD um ' Po

27 . MA THAT SFfIC :HAxI BEEN TOO'KEW CARE Q iF' o, WHICH I VMS S L1] ? :PO 5 TU) TO

2 .2 EKING Ft1 -:22 Mt :CV ER:''S L I ' { .̀ l3,lY3 E TO THE VISITATION B CK) 'C :H m P THE c D E«I

23 C 'Cl[JlM' JA I L AND :MOW E[ 3C 14 HER ARIVEIR' 51 I:, IC' Pav 3 :ES I ;ZT 'TH'EM W INTIC)1{4,

24 THAT I WOULD ]3 'E C : ()1IMfSATM WI T F MORE MO N ET ; .AIVP I) :C W()Cr', GDNf"T

25 HAMP, TO `TQ RPX, I WOULD HAVE A F'F.]CI ND, INYlt I,]C]T E . IN OTHER
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WORDS , .[ WOULD Elf--~' PM- :C1v pLIAL C7,1[1M SORTS C ar mu:ZJi n mu)

'<!

~ I' E[I's CCIM t'C : DI D y' (? 1 :1 BINS AI+I Ir UNL oma 'TpMDING L O iE' ELOS+1

4, NI EC.aY MO i CRY y- 0iJ Watra 70 GIVr ?

711l C 1Wi Mt MSS : JU' 5 11! I WOULD SH R EMULDED„ I 1)1014,17

HAVE Abfl! I DEA :EXAC.~C:LY OF 'THIS. Ah!'o [R m , r«) 7KN'OVI I:,;EDGR? OF ~M AT' .

7 TEE COMIr : GO AMU) .

8 BY' k4R . MtiA' Y

9 Q. IN (',E7:NN 'E i.! V I ON WITH ]KK P'IA : E NIF(; ' r, 0 YOU THE 'rR LNCT S THAT I'm

10 ]EtA TU'l, Ji]'S 7' 1E2 KA'.MD 7't) J-CTx, ] E EVANS, DURING 'M E : CO v 'F. fi l s OAF '.C :HO S FP.

.L 1 ]] z SC: Us SIC)us , I)[A um.G 'ru' {.G CTR, :il !; OF 7MO SP: CGRMRSA111:011TS DID 71112

DEFENDANT l ]'RA N A D I;ACTEtAN OR S 7"A]EtT 9'() DRAW A DIAGRAM'?

1 :3 A.
. ;rES , ; 3 TR

1.4 IM 1: .3 THIS ' WH,a 1,17. COWER .,suvrr ar 01^ c irFUt ,TNG 13:EFORI's' YOU

IS f:t)7RTA(:7ED YOUR UV WY 3Ft ?

Z !i

~1 .. MUE 1,017 PCiIR]L 'rIV'E t 13F 1113 EIZAC'r DIC E ON WHICH Al-ii OF VISSEP

~ El 'JIMt rCCUS I TH,].2rG. S fM1?;P EFI ,DY

15 1 A" I''' M NOT ;PL7 S 7:='V'E : ()lE' UM E7UL( 17r D LZOP 1 D $, 1 31'J 'P 117, I S N t+DU N I) VIE.
20 n AIME s 114 SAI c:z,N G , NO MORE zWAN A DAY OR TWO 11PASU F ROM THZ
21 DATES 1:11C s AI r:r;rr G .
22 Q. i sma W ' YOU YiIF[2vi' Hums,, BEEN :MARfC]R;D E'[)lt I m;1 nn ']C lM7' 7:()1!T AIS

.23 2r,:KHTEI]['.C 48, AND ASK ]L ]? You m C'Cx xIRI zF. 'Twm°'?

.24 A. 'PHp L 7, r 19 7'llla BP LLEa , LT]? P'IA F r 14" R. I ' 1? :I MUM '[1 P AND EMUCK UNDER MY

4215 l07' 71 t1 ES S '.C 1EIM' ICE DF Cl -M .

P'P,N7 I A L l,]E N, COURT RGPCIWe1ER,

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!55 9

1 ~~ . QKAy'„ YOU ;HAVIC SE S11 THIS IDEFOXV

2 i4. .r : ES , ;y 1R. .

3 ~ ~ . `THO, I?R; EW' C ,()'V EASiICK NT'S E ANZ] 3 1T 43 ?

4 A . F tl'JB EFff 'M', Y'1AACR .

Q . JUD WfLV I1 3C D HE 1310 WITH IT AFTER :FEE, DRE W IT?

A. BALLE D Im' III? AND 'PHP'.E.ti +T IT ON THE FLI

Q . I!] ~T~D mu LI ]: D You ]a0 ?

!3 A . PICKED IT IT]? .

st,, D :N) YOU SUNUDDUE71TLY GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY?

~, cr A .. z. GAVE IT TO THE l n l i T F. D s TI s, F,CR E T SE R VICT9 .

i ~. C! ,; Paw DID ' ro u ] ao vuve ca Frl .raq YOU SPOKE. WITH YOUR CANUISR, 01 .1
i. ULIII

A. . LATER ;IXT : E1Z. ]: WA Z OUT .

14 :MR . 1nT RAX : Y 'C 1 ZTl3 HONOR, WE, WOULD TIND ER . GrO V E FU 41KE NfT'' .5

15 6111 [ ][]3 I 1 ' Al 1 3 .

16 MR- UR B ]:N : Df0 +DB zra,lY' TICu , YOUR H'C11 i() a .

,L 7 TH E COURT : IT'S A.Llrs:f viZ) .,

.L IS

~L !'3 Sa . NOW, ()N GIOVI ERN I qMST T ' ,. 1l;KH;n 3 ;[ 'P 4 , #3 - - urP N,[j; PUT II up .

kL +3H"]' 17 P HERE pjtlr THE +C H IJt]V'~' TP R .3 P F 65 . DID 711101.98 OURACTERS

HAVE N !T T E~J !l :VrlcrU3:AR S :Cr3'N 'I F7CC AN C: ] ; WITH RESPECT TO THIS P'Idu .q?

. .. A. 7']3 3 PHILLIPS 66 ( ;its S inq'T i C)jT, TEAT WOULD BE ;GIR: F. ,, I WOULD

,;IlVr , la? OPTION OF :PA ZZ :ClNG ini :xLE IOM WING `V]EiATE1nKR 1,111.4 DOING .

2, Al Tim T F I()17:L ol BE A. ISlaU"1ON fI) OPTION ibr JP,AR,P;][lv~;~ .

25 Q ., NOW, YOU :METEPDDN'E Iy nua, 'TH'E : Ia ;EFP2naAN'r INTERRUPTED THIS

P1VT'TT &ZEF,, COCIFt'.C REP()RT'111t

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11JUtT it.tT] CAR , I)1UM i Nc: EXPRES SING' CONCERN MOLT HIS 1lF iN'DVl zt Tj rr(x .

A ., YES, S111 .

: C . WAS THIS TIRE ONLY D r A®rmvM n rjur ump 0 mnimompr e Apt 'P : C CI PATED

4 IDf 1J:R AWC 1v+ G 7 ; Zi C OI+RTl3 { CT' 1: ON WITH T'E a , :3 PLAN ' T o MURDER MS, 14SHP'()R D ?

A, . TEM'P'S THE ONLY Clr1 l -3 , 7! ' x, :3, SIR, MC I ]EAR, AS T` f u,'.C GC?1„ -3 ,

Q . WELL, I13:1) HE ALSO DRAW SOME LINES O]N Millyr H'EFt :P LOIC?

A. ." SI'Xt .
YS ,

8 IQ . IOM GOING 'xC~ X313+DW~ y~13, AT' YOU F1E~~l3 BEEN ;MAF~~IED FOR

9 I D I E "Wr I F ]. t,AU I Off , A9 C R ]'VEMPTEN 'Z"' ;3 EXH 7C J3I Z' J19-A, AN D ASK ] . 2! 'Y clLf

10 ;HA .VIC' SEEN 'TH m' 1 BE FORE 7

.11 A. "YES' ,, , SIP '., .I woT36 SEEN TEAT mar(]lpu' .

:L 2 !~, AND WHEN IRUE: YOU SEEN muv P Ezo!aREr:' WHEN n 77]3B rC ]tST '
:l 3

A, ME Mil) ROBER T MILLER DREW IT 7'(Ma ;ET' FIE'R AND ;DI S[`1ISSE;I) 'I 'T

15 TOGETHER .

] . I5 S2• ]UTb WAS T'Fl2 VE H ET ARE YOU C't)tT'T, A .C,TEM YOUR LPLtiCi C; ER,"t'

] ,'T ~l . 11 ] tFuz T c:o1rr.ACT],]D )Off LAW YER . ~,

i
2. 8 I.'()la SAY You ikNzi ROBERT l MTI,L]ut rIFt],.-l4 'rm u?{-2lE' THIN t . '
1. «

20 w1o DREW THLx

F unp l ; o NI :t°r ?

21. A . li ,C?wma' ts : [ ;Lm ;Ft .

22 G , A1tiri) WHO ]] iEtn r MOST ()p Z'FE1r ' W 'CqU) ; g Gw 'r' T ?

23 . A. . I DID .

24 {Q . .AIV fI) WHAT DID YOU Tf0 WITH THIS ]DOCTIMENT AFTER YOU RECEIVED

,25 T T' i'

PA7P'.L`I PaM ; EN' , COURT asFarrEIR .

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]L PI .. ] : 7P'U T IT UNDER N ff I K AININI tIE SS AT T F[I . COE I F3 COUNTY f JAIL .

~~ .. DID YOU S UEISEINE rMNLy GIVE ]. 7P ro s c]m E orna 7

p ~ .. TA'fFi] .lN I WA S Fl1s : LEA S F,la .

4'1 WHO?

A. . THE' ' LTN'I;7h]EW s 7']vr E'Sl ;3:BCF ', F.9[' S mC`r:ICri : .

MR, , . 1R R ;L7~ : I' C)InI H fC)Z~Q; R, 1119 WOULD TENDER (~ i ~ 'V~; ~tl !~NIEN I7' '' ;5

49 --A .

8 ;MR , HWEk 7C f!T : ZTO C E tZ f EiWTx' C)N ,

9 'TH ;E: cl D[]x 47~ ; I '. 7'' .S ,F,I)rR ;I 'T7 'M? .

.L 4 'BY' DOZ . ~rJUVf

II i2 . "'Do' NOW SHOWING ' YO U W H AT ] 1A5 1S13, BN' MUKED ~E~Ea ~DA.
12 1kl S C~OjfERr I)QKK V ft EXH ; 7 :13 :C 'T 46S i • - '.B . IS THIS A 1?,l4IF:

]l . 3 1kNt]l ACC [] FUVT;E E ri]ARG11M6'NT OF 4 9--A ?

I's

1 .1) if E 4ilOtrL o I 9121000 c OV mmaM um' .5 4,!)--:B .

rllt . H[;U tlBIlif : : NCi (?]3JEC:7e :[ ON )U 3 DI E DS0N SZ'FUV CIU 'l : . I Z+ToU'LI)

C)a JE'C:7' ' T0l 7']iiE AS1rT; LSB ' ];()]!T AS ] 3'VIL I~~I~T ~CE' .

1 E{ 7'HlE C 'C1ZM'r : :[' LI, DEFER RULING otr rr, BUT Y'()1J M fP Ly

x 5~ PROCEED .

20 141E ~ .. ~wP.~~Ir : ~rI ~iIi~rR; Jrc~~~ . ~~,~~' DIES 1 ~-~r~~ ~r GET THIS JERSEL .
21 TISH CO i lR ,̀C : II 13F OP '.E YOU 3ET €CI Rum, JUST TURN rZ!

22 M1.01119D SO 1 CAR SHE 171 .

.z 3

'.Z 4 'AIL 'RI C CfiT, GO AlIE CAD .

. 25 ]BY' 1+9t . TifFtKY

P'1?N".P ;I AaZIEN, COURT REPORTER

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:L t? . ]:I? YOL'Ilt HCUM TWOULD 1 .1213, 1 CGIF1,]] ALSO PUT TEE S IMAS,i ANt

.t C)mE Crrr !ms : i]IJCi1mmiT C :2uiEPA, ,ANTI T ;EiEV YOU WOULD ]3 ;B ABLE 7 'C) S E E „

7'11Z C'C>ZTI IT : THAT 14iDU'IJ? BE E[ LIE:LPE'LTL .

eG bat . w rUvT : oICI,Y .
BY MR, ICRAYt

C /„ lout . PIil1rPE', cj qN' YOU 9`l"1R ' THIS MOM IWH;EMlj YOU ARZ SITTING?

A . NftYP REAL GCK)D . A LITTLE BIT .

Ep

A, . I CAN ISIC13 11,11 .

1 Q~ Q! . n[7C ;> Is iii YOU CAN SQ UE, E, 2P fE I 7'„ ,ANfI1 ;[T MUZES A

11 .

;MP'. .. I W EtAY : M A7[lI L ]T 'WOMA) MUM, --•- KPOC 'PH'EW S+ILTNFM,S

13 STEP DOWN, AM) 'WE. CAN L'rS 1E THE 1NlTCFtc) ;PHCtrqC?

]. 4 THE COURT : X P HE S]?]EA-FIS IDIFi'.E ;( .'.PLY :{]V'TO 7(']3:E

:15 ]MI t.FRf]:pH'CItt1E , IT WILL ;f q 9',PC ,. YOU ;MAT 1 3 D TIM .

;L 6 ]KR . SMAY ; 'THANK Y'C IT J, YOUR H

:C 7 . W TuL'C :CIrTA]3'Ybut

18 1 ) • 1 q.HY' 1HJ1N''I! Too, .i'.[';EP' FLIGHT UP CLOSE TO X$' . Cm `roL]' zruSiT'

19 SAY SOMETHING FOR AL .31ECOM?'?

:~ I)

e~ :L O1UAY, ALL ]3 ][ G 1[77 . rt[) I?t NUt .. PUME, i4H O E1ltEN AGAIN THE

LINES «1N THIS DIAGRAM,, TEE LO NG ]Y1QA'.] ;'e .l];NU1]', .ANSI) VE'R,7!3CI2AZ . L ;[iNE'Sl :i

23 A ., Ft()]gER7' ]KI M .l:14 .

2:46 Q . AND lArfEAT MMS THIS DIAGRAM PURPORT 7,C) in i1 11AAE, u?

2, 5 A i. THIS I: :3 SUPPOSED TO EIE . THE: ~iV]HOIE : ICAAY't1[I!r CIE? TEE : HERB i]i+0P'