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Control valve have Hunting Issue ?
 Sarfraz Hassan ·  Jul 28, 2020

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S Sarfraz Hassan
Jul 28, 2020

what should i need to check in the Masonielan and fisher valves , if Copntrol valve have hunting problem ?
please share your valuable thoughts.

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D Jul 29, 2020

Assuming a pneumatic actuator and positioner, the cause can be either a malfunctioning
positioner/valve/actuator or a mistuned loop is providing a control signal that is 'hunting'.

If the valve tracks the input signal with precision and the loop hunts, then the tuning is too agressive.
If the valve stutters or fails to respond with the input signal, then look at the positioner, linkage, valve and the
actuator

- dirty/wet air can cause stiction in those positioners with a spool valve so that the spool valve jerks instead of
moving smoothly. Or piezo valves will stick in the pfft-pfft-pfft type Siemens positioners.
- check the positioner linkage to the valve stem. Loose, sloppy, disconnected or missing linkage is a prime cause
of hunting.
- check the movement of the stem through the packing gland. If the packing gland is too tight, the stiction will
cause the stem movement jump in steps, rather than move smoothly. A positioner helps over come stiction, but
there are limits.
- smart positioners can be misconfigured or configured for a different valve response than the one its installed
on. Re-initializing/re-tuning the positioner can eliminate that as cause.
- oversized valve (typical valve is line size with a high Cv) where the slightest valve movement overshoots the
error and it's a constant hunt for the sweet spot.
- positioner overshoot combined with agressive loop tuning can drive the loop in oscillation, a form of hunting.
- I've heard that leaky diaphragm can cause hunting, but I haven't seen it.
- insufficient actuator resolution
I once ran into an electric actuated gas valve on an oven where the electric actuator could only resolve about
about 25 discrete steps over its 90 degree travel - about every 0.7mA the actuator would move a step. That was
nowhere near enough resolution to position the valve where it needed to be for straightline control and the
valve constantly hunted up and down trying to hit the sweet spot, which it couldn't find. Horrible little actuator.
Not a likely scenario on a Fisher or Masoneilon valve, but it happened.

 ControlsGuy25 and CSA

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Hilton #3

H Sunday at 12:44 PM

Sarfraz Hassan said: 

what should i need to check in the Masonielan and fisher valves , if Copntrol valve have hunting problem ? please share
your valuable thoughts.

The trick is to determine whether the problem is with the valve or is a tuning problem. Step one is to put the
controller in the manual mode, then you start making small changes in the output (1/2%) in either direction.
Document each change and continue in the same direction until you see a clear process response, continue to
make 1/2% steps in the same direction until you see the second process response. Then start to make 1/2%
steps in the opposite direction until you see a clear process response, you will have a good picture of how the
valve tracks the controller output. If there was more than 1/2% output change between the first process
response and the second process response (same direction) the valve exhibits high friction that is influencing
your process control. If there is more than 1/2% output change between the second process response and the
third process response (change in direction) the valve has hysteresis, slack. Either will cause process control
issues and cannot be corrected by retuning the controller. The only option is to repair or replace the valve.
There are valve testers that will analyze your valves for performance issues but the process must be down to use
them. Benchmark by Black Diamond Engineering is one, Flowscan by Fisher Valve Co. is another.

 CSA and David_2

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