Ukedchat Archive 20 January 2011

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@colport is the host of #ukedchat starting in a moment. Please

ukedchat 19:57 remember to input #ukedchat into each tweet to be included in the
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Tea - ready, PJs - on, fire - blazing, seat - comfy. Must be time for
bevevans22 19:58
#ukedchat again :)
RT @colport: Good evening. Welcome to #ukedchat "Closing the
missbrownsword 19:59 Gap: Why is the achievement gap between rich and poor ch so wide
in UK?"
Natty08 19:59 RT @bevevans22: Tea - ready, PJs - on, fire - blazing, seat - comfy.
Must be time for #ukedchat again <-- and the cheese?
colport 19:59 Good evening. Welcome to #ukedchat "Closing the Gap: Why is the
achievement gap between rich and poor ch so wide in UK?"
missbrownsword 19:59 Ha, read it as PJs on fire! RT @bevevans22: Tea - ready, PJs - on, fire
- blazing, seat - comfy. Must be time for #ukedchat again :)
@colport a lot down to experience in home before school even
missbrownsword 20:00
starts #ukedchat
didactylos 20:00 #ukedchat ok I have my seat this week!
@filmclubuk Will be interesting for your contribution as you held
colport 20:00
conference about this topic #ukedchat
filmclubuk 20:00
It's #ukedchat time! @colport leading the debate on #closingthegap
Creativeedu 20:00
@kevinmulryne I'm a twitterfall convert personally #UKEdChat
colport 20:00 Is this an easy subject for #ukedchat ? Is it down to attitudes to

education between rich and poor? Or is it down to money?
@didactylos You are very welcome, once again. #ukedchat Do the
colport 20:01 middle/upper classes have a different attitude to education/life
expectancies
bevevans22 20:01 @colport Bit of both. But also low expectations from those in
poorer families plays a part - I see that all the time. #ukedchat
@colport isn't it just! have fun - will be with you when I can!
janwebb21 20:01
#ukedchat
#ukedchat restrictive curriculum not allowing easy use of creative
jodieworld 20:01
medium to encourage writing
landslidepurist 20:01 Gap: Why is the achievement gap between rich and poor ch so wide
in UK?"
hairysporran 20:01
on your marks get set goooo!!! #ukedchat evening everyone
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jodieworld 20:02 #ukedchat the curriculum needs to change and be flexible so that
schools can choose the right approach for them in all areas
@missbrownsword @bevevans22 Isn't this a historical problem
colport 20:02
within our society? #ukedchat
the gap is already there when the children start school #ukedchat
#ukedchat money, attitudes, poverty cycle, parental non
didactylos 20:02 involvement, inappropriate curriculum, class system, will they do as
starters?
jodieworld 20:02 #ukedchat not enough schools using games-based and handheld
consoles to enhance and enthuse children in today's society
@colport One of the main things that emerged was the need to
filmclubuk 20:03 provide a range of experiences that kids might not get elsewhere
#ukedchat
@colport One of the main things that emerged was the need to
filmclubuk 20:03 provide a range of experiences that kids might not get elsewhere
#ukedchat
jodieworld 20:03 #ukedchat and parental involvement needs to improve in deprived

areas. Often the parents do not have the skills to pass on.
jodieworld 20:03 #ukedchat and parental involvement needs to improve in deprived

areas. Often the parents do not have the skills to pass on.
RT @kevinmulryne: Whatever schools do the children go home...
ebd35 20:03
#ukedchat agree
kevinmulryne 20:03 Whatever schools do the children go home... #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:03 RT @missbrownsword: the gap is already there when the children
start school #ukedchat <- Not all the time but often I think...
#closingthegap highlights for anyone who missed it at the time.
Creativeedu 20:03
relevant to #ukedchat http://ow.ly/3HoVr
kevinmulryne 20:04 @colport Yes absolutely #ukedchat
I have noticed a huge difference in parental involvement in schools
Creativeedu 20:04
in poorer areas vs richer areas #ukedchat
@colport #ukedchat I come from a poor area. In my year at
bevevans22 20:04 secondary 30 pupils from town were in top stream - only 2 went to
uni...
@colport #ukedchat I come from a poor area. In my year at
bevevans22 20:04 secondary 30 pupils from town were in top stream - only 2 went to
uni...
Please RT. Look at @RGSDeutsch/rgs-4, one secondary schools
RGSHistory 20:04 attempt at social networking. Let us know your thoughts /
suggestions! #ukedchat
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Please RT. Look at @RGSDeutsch/rgs-4, one secondary schools
RGSHistory 20:04 attempt at social networking. Let us know your thoughts /
suggestions! #ukedchat
kevinmulryne 20:04 You can't 'fix' education in isolation #ukedchat
kevinmulryne 20:04 You can't 'fix' education in isolation #ukedchat
@kevinmulryne I think a lot has to do with attitudes to education.
colport 20:04 Look at the Indian culture. They have huge respect for edu
#ukedchat
@kevinmulryne I think a lot has to do with attitudes to education.
colport 20:04 Look at the Indian culture. They have huge respect for edu
#ukedchat
didactylos 20:04 #ukedchat while those with the money can buy their way out of
the system they remove their leverage on making the system work
didactylos 20:04 #ukedchat while those with the money can buy their way out of
the system they remove their leverage on making the system work
filmclubuk 20:04 RT @Creativeedu: #closingthegap highlights for anyone who missed

it at the time. relevant to #ukedchat http://ow.ly/3HoVr
filmclubuk 20:04 RT @Creativeedu: #closingthegap highlights for anyone who missed

it at the time. relevant to #ukedchat http://ow.ly/3HoVr
@colport #ukedchat My mother could not believe i wanted to go to
bevevans22 20:05 uni so I didn't until later. I was 'supposed' to stay home and raise
babies
RT @CreativeEdu: I have noticed a huge difference in parental
ebd35 20:05 involvement in schools in poorer areas vs richer areas #ukedchat
Absolutely
Many students who have experienced poverty have no faith in the
cleverfiend 20:05 system and low aspirations as a result #ukedchat Need horizons
broadening.
#ukedchat the more the press and government put us down the
jodieworld 20:05 more the parents believe them and the results go down and the
cycle begins again
I fear that our society does not appreciates the education system
colport 20:05
#ukedchat Is this a sociological problem?
ebd35 20:05 Also often parents 'failed' at school and may see themselves as
outside and therefore their children are also #ukedchat
hairysporran 20:05 having worked in a school at the bottom of the tables for 10 yrs its
stunning the lack of parental support you get. apathy ! #ukedchat
RT @Arakwai: #ukedchat Feel strongly a big part is lack of self belief
colport 20:06 & low expectations. Heart-breaking to see bright kids not believing
they are.
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@cleverfiend That was regularly expressed at our conference
filmclubuk 20:06
#ukedchat
hairysporran 20:06 gove of course does not help. why teach facts when the pupils need
life skills and experiences #ukedchat they dont get from parents
MissSMitch 20:06
Sorry missed the beginning of #ukedchat - what's the topic?
bevevans22 20:06 @cleverfiend Also, pupils in poverty don't always have the support
and attention those in 'better off 'families have #ukedchat
#ukedchat Feel strongly a big part is lack of self belief & low
Arakwai 20:06 expectations. Heart-breaking to see bright kids not believing they
are.
There can often be deep problems which get in the way of learning
Creativeedu 20:06
in deprived areas #ukedchat
colport 20:06 @bevevans22 I'm similar (apart from the babies bit) Do working
class families set the stall low for their own children? #ukedchat
MissSMitch 20:06 RT @colport: I agree - attitudes in other countries are quite

different but it begins at home and on the streets etc... #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:07 @Jokprice just what you need for #ukedchat
@colport @bevans22 I'm the opposite got an assisted place to a
Creativeedu 20:07 posh school & railroaded into uni & hated it for first 2 yrs!
#ukedchat
#ukedchat Scary how some parents undervalue education, accept
VMM40BUG 20:07 their 'place' in the world and pass these aspirations onto their
children
@colport #ukedchat If your parents have been unemployed and
bevevans22 20:07 struggling for a long time you can often feel like there no point
trying...
#ukedchat parents who had a bad experience of education remain
didactylos 20:07
alienated and isolated from its benefits for their kis
MissSMitch 20:07 RT @hairysporran: why teach facts when the pupils need life skills
and experiences #ukedchat they dont get from parents
#ukedchat there is evidence that the edsystm is set up against
Grevster73 20:07 working class ps e.g Bernstein's work, but more recent Dunne et al
in Maths
RT @cleverfiend: Many students who have experienced poverty
filmclubuk 20:07 have no faith in the system and low aspirations as a result
#ukedchat Need horizons broadening.
jodieworld 20:07 #ukedchat I dont think low expectations is the problem so much as
parents and children not realising what opportunities there are
It is a great shame that ema has been scrapped as it gave the
nkgsolutions 20:08
student the boost to continue #ukedchat
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jodieworld 20:08 @MissSMitch #ukedchat It's not so much EXPECTATION though its
lack of knowledge but it results in what WE see as low expectations.
Catriona_O 20:08 what is the issue tonight? #ukedchat
#ukedchat at my school it's about not fitting in - bright kids don't
dwsm 20:08
want to be seen as keeners
@creativeedu Agreed. One of my PGCE placements was in *very*
misshbond 20:08
deprived area. #ukedchat
Some schools don't even realise the opportunities out there
susanbanister 20:08
#ukedchat
@bevevans22 quite right. I experience myself parents that don't
cleverfiend 20:08 want to engage with school (perhaps because of their experiences)
#ukedchat
enders1 20:08
#ukedchat we know there's a problem so what's the solution?
@jodieworld but as a result low expectations are forced on them.
MissSMitch 20:08
#ukedchat
#ukedchat how can someone aim for a life they have no exp. of?
jodieworld 20:08 we need to show them whats out there and let them set their
expectations
Rural areas are just as poor as city centres yet funding is lacking to
Jokprice 20:09
support the gap #ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:09 are teachers 'middle class'? #ukedchat
#ukedchat so if we're teaching life skills rather than facts, are we
enders1 20:09
taking on the role of parents rather than teachers?
kevinmulryne 20:09 Yes that's a serious problem @dwsm #ukedchat
susanbanister 20:09 Gap: Why is the achievement gap between rich and poor ch so wide
in UK?"
@Catriona_O closing the gap between rich and poor students
Creativeedu 20:09
#ukedchat
@jodieworld #ukedchat I agree - we need to teach some children to
VMM40BUG 20:09
be aspirational
RT @cleverfiend: @bevevans22 quite right. I experience myself
ebd35 20:09 parents that don't want to engage with school (perhaps because of
their experiences) #ukedchat
didactylos 20:09 I fear the 'protestant work ethic' which doesn't work much in some
communities will work even less in austerity britain #ukedchat
RT @Arakwai: #ukedchat Feel strongly a big part is lack of self belief
filmclubuk 20:09 & low expectations. Heart-breaking to see bright kids not believing
they are.
Do schools (and 'middle class' teachers) teachers have a role in this
colport 20:09 'life expectations' of pupils? #ukedchat Are schools part of
problem?
Janshs 20:09 what's the #ukedchat topic please?
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@cleverfiend Yes - -if parents found school daunting or difficult
bevevans22 20:09
they can pass on that vibe to children. #ukedchat
NaziaKausar 20:09 RT @Creativeedu: There can often be deep problems which get in
the way of learning in deprived areas #ukedchat
susanbanister 20:09 @dwsm I agree, it is difficult for some kids #ukedchat
RT @jodieworld: #ukedchat how can someone aim for a life they
Creativeedu 20:09 have no exp. of? we need to show them whats out there and let
them set their expectations
@VMM40BUG Agreed - open up the world & kids will be excited
jodieworld 20:10 enough to achieve their full potential Close it in and they are lost
#ukedchat
susanbanister 20:10 RT @CreativeEdu: What methods have you tried to close the gap?
Did it work..... #ukedchat >> I would like to know this too
missbrownsword 20:10 it's often presumed poverty is an inner city problem but rural areas
suffer badly but don't get extra funding city schools get #ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: What methods have you tried to close the gap?
filmclubuk 20:10
Did it work..... #ukedchat
colport 20:10 @thewhiteant Seems like there are a few of us in that camp. Was
that down to societal shift in education and expectations #ukedchat
@jodieworld agreed :) #ukedchat - it is hard to compensate though
MissSMitch 20:10 as attitudes towards the system are refined by own experiences of
ed.
What methods have you tried to close the gap? Did it work.....
Creativeedu 20:10
#ukedchat
@colport I think richer schools need to help deprived schools by
jodieworld 20:10 linking and sharing experiences. Video confs are great for this
#ukedchat
@susanbanister it needs to be a culture change and engagement by
dwsm 20:10
stealth #ukedchat
Is it because the rich have better access to extra curricular
nkgsolutions 20:10
activities? #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:10 #ukedchat We are trying to do something about it with a number of

initiatives but it takes time to gain peoples' confidence #ukedchat
#ukedchat ema was being abused, save the cash and spend in those
enders1 20:11
who really need it !
miss_mcinerney 20:11 #ukedchat Maybe it would help to discuss alternative aspirations to

university too though? What if a pupil wants an easy job+a family?
RT @missbrownsword: it's often presumed poverty is an inner city
kevinmulryne 20:11 problem but rural areas suffer badly but don't get extra funding city
schools get #ukedchat
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@enders1 #ukedchat Or is it our duty to show them the
VMM40BUG 20:11
opportunities that could be available to them?
#ukedchat we are taking part in achievement for all project- done
sarahjnl 20:11 wonders for parental support/ participation but.. No money post
april
RT @CreativeEdu: closing the gap between rich and poor students
Catriona_O 20:11 #ukedchat< thanks. We are now in the 3rd century of trying to do
this!>
Tonight's topic is: closing the gap between rich and poor students
ebd35 20:11
#ukedchat
colport 20:11 @colport Don't you remember what happened when Grange Hill
merged with that *posh* school in the 1980's ;-) #ukedchat
hairysporran 20:11 also among the pupils and families where i work there is a culture
of "take get get" there is no giving back (benifits?) #ukedchat
Devil's advocate: 7 mins in and #ukedchat has nailed cliched
Dunfordjames 20:11 reasons for the gap. Any solutions on way? How to change
esteem/apathy issues?
tonycassidy 20:11
No one has mentioned teacher expectations of students #ukedchat
kevinmulryne 20:11 You can't separate the two, can you? @enders1 #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu Not always that some parents lack aspiration
suerobinson2 20:12 sometimes their own lack of basic skills inhibits involvement in chn
wrk #ukedchat
RT @sarahjnl: #ukedchat we are taking part in achievement for all
Creativeedu 20:12 project- done wonders for parental support/ participation but.. No
money post april
didactylos 20:12 #ukedchat the culture of learning a child may experience in a

school is less than 25% of their day's overall experience... an issue
RT @enders1: #ukedchat I think we are when successful taking on
ebd35 20:12
the role of parents for those who have that gap!
RT @Catriona_O: RT @CreativeEdu: closing the gap between rich
Creativeedu 20:12 and poor students #ukedchat< thanks. We are now in the 3rd
century of trying to do this!>
RT @dwsm: @susanbanister it needs to be a culture change and
jimbo9848 20:12
engagement by stealth #ukedchat No, how mean!
Dunfordjames 20:12 RT @tonycassidy: are teachers 'middle class'? #ukedchat - too many
are. How to get w/c teachers when attainment is low is good q?
#ukedchat the way we motivate all pupils can have a negative
Grevster73 20:12 effect on aspirations - we praise performance over achievement -
Carol Dweck.
RT @colport: @colport Don't you remember what happened when
Creativeedu 20:12 Grange Hill merged with that *posh* school in the 1980's ;-)
#ukedchat
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@Dunfordjames Don't think it has been nailed....as problems are
colport 20:12 deep rooted in society #ukedchat Solution=tough challenge in many
areas
filmclubuk 20:12 Often mentioned at CTG: RT @jokprice Rural areas are just as poor
as city centres yet funding is lacking to support the gap #ukedchat
jodieworld 20:12 #ukedchat also most teachers come from middle class and above
and dont "get" the families they work with - alienates them more
RT @nkgsolutions: Is it because the rich have better access to extra
jimbo9848 20:12
curricular activities? #ukedchat No!
Janshs 20:12 @colport thanks #ukedchat
RT @suerobinson2: @CreativeEdu Not always that some parents
Creativeedu 20:13 lack aspiration sometimes their own lack of basic skills inhibits
involvement in chn wrk #ukedchat
headteacher01 20:13 attitudes? expectations? opportunities? Are these the drivers of the
gap. Is this what successful schools challenge? #ukedchat
RT @Grevster73: #ukedchat the way we motivate all pupils can
tonycassidy 20:13 have a negative effect on aspirations - we praise performance over
achievement - Carol Dweck.
BAFDiploma 20:14 #ukedchat some parents who had negative experiences at school as
pupils are naturally reluctant to engage as parents.
As a child I sadly experienced the low expectations of some of my
tonycassidy 20:14
teachers, not my parents #ukedchat
should we create a more links between schools of different
nkgsolutions 20:14 cultures, children are children, often we adults are the issue?
#ukedchat
@CreativeEdu we are currently trying to create a stronger
hairysporran 20:14 student/parent voice. bringing the wider community onboard.
#ukedchat
Has anyone had success with working with PARENTS in order to
Creativeedu 20:14
help close the gap? #ukedchat
RT @kevinmulryne: Not always so! @jodieworld #ukedchat <---
jodieworld 20:14 hence I said "MOST" - i am from extremely poor background
myself!
colport 20:15 RT @eyebeams: One of the keys is extended school days where
more informal skills are modelled and social skills honed #ukedchat
GiftedPhoenix 20:15 Here's a creative proposal to engage grammar schools more

directly in closing the gap - http://bit.ly/ed8BHf - #ukedchat
RT @jodieworld: @CreativeEdu #ukedchat we worked on a video
filmclubuk 20:15 project with hard to reach parents. one parent involved is now a
school governor & v. involved
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@hairysporran is your student/parent voice project working?
Creativeedu 20:15
#ukedchat
kevinmulryne 20:15 My apologies! @jodieworld #ukedchat
#ukedchat It is at best wrong to trick people into our cultural
jimbo9848 20:15 curriculum models and notions of schooling. There's a lot of blame
going on!
@Dunfordjames @tonycassidy but many w/c teachers become
VMM40BUG 20:15 middle- class by being part of the system. I speak from experience!
#ukedchat
colport 20:15 @CreativeEdu Yes, but courses and guidance offered are usually
accepted by the people you are not targeting :-s #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu #ukedchat we worked on a video project with hard
jodieworld 20:15 to reach parents. one parent involved is now a school governor & v.
involved
@CreativeEdu Sure I certainly can - there is also some info on my
jodieworld 20:16
website http://bit.ly/cUKzWY #ukedchat
headteacher01 20:16 Working with parents needs to be finely targetted. Much of what
has been provided embraced by middle class parents #ukedchat
@colport To try and overcome the negativity we run sessions
bevevans22 20:16 during and after school linked to wellbeing for the whole
community #ukedchat
I'm late again!! #ukedchat sane question from me! What it about
DeputyMitchell 20:16
this week?
VMM40BUG 20:16 @enders1 but surely schools are moving towards skills-based
curriculums rather than being driven by academic facts? #ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:16 Each student needs an external role model, someone who will fight
their corner and show them the opportunities #ukedchat
RT @cleverfiend: Our approach has been to create a safe, fun and
filmclubuk 20:16 lively atmosphere where staff connect with pupils who may have
poor home lives #ukedchat
@jodieworld that's brilliant! I'd love to hear more about that (fancy
Creativeedu 20:16
writing a guest blog post on it?) #ukedchat
didactylos 20:16 to what extent if we redesigned the way we worked with parents in
the early years would that have major impact? #ukedchat
Our approach has been to create a safe, fun and lively atmosphere
cleverfiend 20:16 where staff connect with pupils who may have poor home lives
#ukedchat
RT @eyebeams: @ebd35 @enders1 Some of us are parents as well
bevevans22 20:16 #ukedchat <- as a parent my hopes for my children were higher
than teachers!
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@jodieworld If teachers dont "get" families they work with then I
ebd35 20:17 really think they are in danger of failing children they teach
#ukedchat
Less well off: Perceived lack of ambition and motivation with lower
pete_mulvey 20:17
expectations of success. #ukedchat
#ukedchat we are finding that ICT use is the way for our children to
jodieworld 20:17 break away from their barriers. They feel more privileged straight
away
@bevevans22 I can understand why some parents don't want 2
colport 20:17 come into schl. Do we have low expectations/attitudes to *some'
parents #ukedchat
@didactylos I think the impact would be huge. are there any good
Creativeedu 20:17
examples? #ukedchat
Before discussing the strategies- what are we aiming for?
tonycassidy 20:17
#ukedchat
susanbanister 20:17 Do special schools have the same problem? Not in Bolton. All of the
schools are fantastic. Aspiration of students high #ukedchat
@DeputyMitchell Closing the Gap: Why is the achievement gap
bevevans22 20:17
between rich and poor children so wide?" #ukedchat
RT @didactylos: to what extent if we redesigned the way we
Creativeedu 20:17 worked with parents in the early years would that have major
impact? #ukedchat
jimbo9848 20:17 #ukedchat middle class teachers, curriculum, skills and we wonder
about alienation. Think Chinese kids in GCSE Eng Lit or History.
sarahjnl 20:17 #ukedchat we have a eisb where working with parents is as

important as working with kids but u have to have the capacity
Sorry for all the RTs but there are some excellent comments in
filmclubuk 20:17
tonight's #ukedchat
Janshs 20:17 will sound old fashioned but I think lending libraries might have a
lot to do w/ raising aspirations for less financially well off #ukedchat
#ukedchat How to close gap? Talk to pupils abt jobs you see them
miss_mcinerney 20:18 doing. I'm forever telling students about the futures I imagine for
them.
@DeputyMitchell Your contribution always welcome and valued
colport 20:18 within #ukedchat - Do you find different cultures have diff attitudes
2 educatn?
bevevans22 20:18 @colport I personally don't but I know some who do, especially if
they taught previous generations. I try not to judge #ukedchat
susanbanister 20:18 I agreet libraries are important #ukedchat@Janshs
So many of our primary schools provide the safe haven for students
headteacher01 20:18
who need it, yet still a gap exists #ukedchat
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AntHeald 20:18 Schools are a key cog in machine reproducing class inequality. No
escaping that. Only real option to subvert it. #ukedchat
#ukedchat how's surestart working.....not my area or experience at
didactylos 20:18
all
RT @eyebeams: One of the keys is extended school days where
jimbo9848 20:18 more informal skills are modelled and social skills honed #ukedchat
Yes
#ukedchat could engage parents by finding alternative venues to
BAFDiploma 20:19 school. Social clubs or others. Also more comms re good
behaviour.
Our school has tried by giving all poss. opportunities. Training
Mallrat_uk 20:19
courses, vocational, academic.. #ukedchat
my Dad took me to library literally every week #ukedchat
Janshs 20:19
(@susanbanister)
@colport That's possibly because I am local and one of them. Many
bevevans22 20:19 parents went to school with my children and they trust me
#ukedchat
colport 20:19 @bevevans22 Perhaps that says more about the background of
some colleagues, as hinted earlier on in #ukedchat
DKMead 20:19 #ukedchat will someone define high expectations?
#ukedchat Scotland gave birth 2 free schools. We R proud of this.
Catriona_O 20:19 Govt aspire 2 sending 50% of schl leavers 2 FE/HE .NOT the same
issue
Creativeedu 20:19 RT @filmclubuk: Sorry for all the RTs but there are some excellent
comments in tonight's #ukedchat <agreed keep retweeting!
#ukedchat 2/2 ...and tell me about comments from their new
Arakwai 20:19 teachers such as 'you're from ... , you won't have done this' !!! Yes,
seriously!
#ukedchat 1/2 Unfortunately it's not just parents and students' low
Arakwai 20:19 aspirations. My students regularly come back from their new 6th
forms...
@didactylos works great and provides great opportunities, but
headteacher01 20:20
more take up from 'middle classes' #ukedchat
didactylos 20:20 @creativeedu a win win if it worked, as the parents would be

learning and influencing the children's learning #ukedchat
DKMead 20:20 #ukedchat will someone quantify high expectations?
@susanbanister #ukedchat aspirations very high at my special
ebd35 20:20
school
Well it's not getting more and more in to HE, that's for sure
kevinmulryne 20:20
@DKMead #ukedchat
#ukedchat the language we use in classrooms, in text books and in
Grevster73 20:20 exams excludes lower class pupils and parents. What can we do as
teachers?
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@susanbanister We're a special school in a deprived area. We share
cleverfiend 20:20 some problems with mainstream in terms of parental expectations
#ukedchat
@bevevans22 I went to school with some of the parents in my
colport 20:20 current school, and parents appreciate that, as they know *me*
#ukedchat
jodieworld 20:20 @Arakwai That's scary stuff! #ukedchat
@colport I just suggested as much. I was brought up to be nice to
bevevans22 20:20
everyone. It's a good rule to stick to #ukedchat
RT @susanbanister: Do special schools have the same problem?
ebd35 20:20 Not in Bolton. All of the schools are fantastic. Aspiration of students
high #ukedchat
we need to engage pupils with a more hobbies based learning
hairysporran 20:20 ciriculum anyone looked at the quest to learn school in new york?
#ukedchat
Arakwai 20:21 @jodieworld Makes me soooooooo angry! #ukedchat
@DKMead A problem question. My 'high expectations' will be
colport 20:21
different to yours....good point though #ukedchat
@DKMead 2/2 #ukedchat "reach for the moon" - great
jodieworld 20:21 motivational motto? Not a great slogan for NASA - it's still putting a
limit on!
RT @AntHeald: Schools are a key cog in machine reproducing class
Grevster73 20:21 inequality. No escaping that. Only real option to subvert it.
#ukedchat
@CreativeEdu a rolling programme of basic skills workshops and
suerobinson2 20:21 booklets for parents. Chn's presentations of trips work, website
#ukedchat
carrief7 20:21 Is the age of 3/4 already too late? Is the gap already too big to
completely close by the time chn get to prim sch? #ukedchat
@hairysporran Not hobbies based bt we have enrichment days &
bevevans22 20:21 weeks where pupils & staff share skills not linked to the classroom
#ukedchat
didactylos 20:21 @headteacher01 well that's a surprise isn't it? #ukedchat
Essentially you come back to a conflict about what school is for?
tonycassidy 20:21
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:21 @susanbanister the 'deprived' sp sch is mainly EBD, comm

difficulties, the mixed one is more physical / PMLD #ukedchat
jodieworld 20:21 RT @DKMead: #ukedchat will someone define high expectations? <-
-- High expectations still usually have a limit. 1/2
BAFDiploma 20:21 #ukedchat how many letters/phone calls home are made for
positive feedback vs negative. This colours parents views
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RT @hairysporran: we need to engage pupils with a more hobbies
filmclubuk 20:21 based learning ciriculum anyone looked at the quest to learn school
in new york? #ukedchat
@bevevans22 @eyebeams Helps break down teacher snobbery and
colport 20:22
distance #ukedchat
@bevevans22 @eyebeams Helps break down teacher snobbery and
colport 20:22
distance #ukedchat
@jimbo9848 @susanbanister why is it mean? I'm teaching my kids
dwsm 20:22 to program but they think they are creating games. Saves face
#ukedchat
#ukedchat - is there any danger in eroding the role of the parent
Catriona_O 20:22 through Schools doing more & more to appropriate formation of
yng people?
susanbanister 20:22 @ebd35 And at mine (governor not teacher) #ukedchat
#ukedchat but is it limited to poor backgrounds? What about the
enders1 20:22 pupil with everything they could ever need except love & support at
home?
Education is joint effort and if parents are not willing or able to
Jokprice 20:22
support then what we can do? #ukedchat
didactylos 20:22 @grevster73 language or means of delivery? A heavily text based

'reading' curriculum puts up great barriers. #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:22 @eyebeams @colport I've certainly found that being local is a great
advantage. Parent feel comfortable & so then do pupils #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu I would imagine EBD can be equally challenging
susanbanister 20:22
#ukedchat
RT @eyebeams: @ebd35 @enders1 Some of us are parents as well
ebd35 20:22 #ukedchat I meant need 2act in parental role offering guidance,
advice, morals
RT @tonycassidy: Essentially you come back to a conflict about
kevinmulryne 20:22
what school is for? #ukedchat Yes
Let schools take control of their curricula - don't argue to make
informed_edu 20:23 your subject compulsory: http://ow.ly/3Hnmq #edchat #ukedchat
#edreform
bevevans22 20:23 Does anyone else have community based learning in house? Parent
working with their children to gain social skills etc. #ukedchat
RT @susanbanister: @CreativeEdu I would imagine EBD can be
ebd35 20:23
equally challenging #ukedchat >I should say so :o)
ejf23 20:23 @jodieworld agree.. my school now speak 26 mother tongues and
over 90%eal. get parents in to paint, sew, cook with class #ukedchat
ejf23 20:23 @jodieworld agree.. my school now speak 26 mother tongues and
over 90%eal. get parents in to paint, sew, cook with class #ukedchat
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#ukedchat budget cuts + pupil premium = harder challenges.
Dunfordjames 20:23 Creative solutions are needed... New tech? Sport? Cooking?
Brainstorm...
#ukedchat budget cuts + pupil premium = harder challenges.
Dunfordjames 20:23 Creative solutions are needed... New tech? Sport? Cooking?
Brainstorm...
What are we aiming for with students? Material success, or
tonycassidy 20:23
personal contentment, or both? #ukedchat
What are we aiming for with students? Material success, or
tonycassidy 20:23
personal contentment, or both? #ukedchat
#ukedchat we need more/different ways of testing too. If a science
jodieworld 20:23 test is all reading and writing are we really testing science or
English?
#ukedchat we need more/different ways of testing too. If a science
jodieworld 20:23 test is all reading and writing are we really testing science or
English?
sounds fab @suerobinson2 I expect you've seen a real impact?
Creativeedu 20:23
#ukedchat
sounds fab @suerobinson2 I expect you've seen a real impact?
Creativeedu 20:23
#ukedchat
BAFDiploma 20:23 #ukedchat would you want to engage with an organisation that tells
you your son/daughter is not rowing the line? Emphasise positives
BAFDiploma 20:23 #ukedchat would you want to engage with an organisation that tells
you your son/daughter is not rowing the line? Emphasise positives
tonycassidy 20:24 @Catriona_O agreed, I'm a little concerned over wide sweeping
generalisations about groups of people #ukedchat
@didactylos good ideas, well meant, but not targetted at those
headteacher01 20:24
who need it most #ukedchat
@bevevans22 we are trying to build this into our timetable for 1
hairysporran 20:24 afternoon per week at least. cross cirric topic based as well
#ukedchat
@bevevans22 @eyebeams @colport Sometimes not been local is
TheNewHead 20:24 good to - parents like to think you're not going to be talking locally
#ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:24 @kevinmulryne tension between the liberal model of education

and one that is geared only to serving the economy #ukedchat
@ejf23 That's awesome!We do that too and offer Saturday school -
jodieworld 20:24 one EAL parent just wrote an amazing A4 page of writing. so cool!
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:24 @susanbanister with some SEN it is hard to work out what is cause
and what is consequence of deprivation sometimes. #ukedchat
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ejf23 20:25 We struggle to get staff too.. Especially for posts with responsibility.
staff turn over high..,kids need continuity. #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:25 @TheNewHead I get your point but I think it is an advantage where
I live. I speak their (the parents) language #ukedchat
amazing what high expectations can do.my parents were on
Creativeedu 20:25 benefits but I got to Oxford because one teacher believed in me as
a kid #ukedchat
@tonycassidy I know. But anchoring our practice to "what is
Catriona_O 20:25
education for " is a valuable thing to do #ukedchat
AndrewManson1 20:25 Any #ukedchat people familiar the dfe 'Achievement for all'
approach http://t.co/XceHrcY has strong evidence from large pilot
@enders1 #ukedchat Neglect in one of it's more cunning disguises!
VMM40BUG 20:25 I agree - these ch hear language being used properly. So is that the
key?
RT @dwsm: @jimbo9848 @susanbanister why is it mean? I'm
susanbanister 20:25 teaching my kids to program but they think they are creating
games. Saves face #ukedchat
#ukedchat Taling point: We should teach all classes as mixed ability
Grevster73 20:25
to close the achievement gap.
sarahjnl 20:25 #ukedchat parents most accessible as children begin, school

especially around performance times when they are so proud!
@dwsm @jimbo9848 @susanbanister allows space to learn
dwsm 20:25
#ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: amazing what high expectations can do.my
informed_edu 20:26 parents were on benefits but I got to Oxford because one teacher
believed in me as a kid #ukedchat
@colport high expectations have to be replicable not left to teacher
DKMead 20:26 personality. Marzano has a few ideas to explore around this.
#ukedchat
@miss_mcinerney are going to uni&having a family mutually
LeeDonaghy 20:26 exclusive? Kids of professionals will mostly go uni, so WC kids need
to #ukedchat
#ukedchat does anyone else find that some teachers also think
jodieworld 20:26 their job starts and ends in their classroom and not with the whole
community?
kevinmulryne 20:26 RT @Catriona_O: @tonycassidy I know. But anchoring our practice

to "what is education for " is a valuable thing to do #ukedchat
RT @Grevster73: #ukedchat Talking point: We should teach all
Creativeedu 20:26
classes as mixed ability to close the achievement gap.
Tension - yes of course needs to be the best blend of both,
kevinmulryne 20:26
obviously @tonycassidy #ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:26 @Catriona_O @kevinmulryne agreed #ukedchat
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@jodieworld I think that depends on the community which
Jokprice 20:27
surrounds the school rural/ city #ukedchat
didactylos 20:27 @creativeedu other side of coin, we should teach all children
according to their ability, not as clumps! #ukedchat
RT @GiftedPhoenix: Here's a creative proposal to engage grammar
nkgsolutions 20:27 schools more directly in closing the gap - http://bit.ly/ed8BHf -
#ukedchat
RT @dwsm: @dwsm @jimbo9848 @susanbanister allows space to
bevevans22 20:27 learn #ukedchat <-best not to work to the clock, better to let ideas
flow
@bevevans22 Also depends on what is being discussed of course! :)
TheNewHead 20:27
#ukedchat
#ukedchat personalised curriculum. Community links.
Dunfordjames 20:27 Representative staff. Integrated curriculum (show links & uses of
learning)
.@jodieworld & as we move towards BTEC to give students a diff
Arakwai 20:27 way of presenting their science k&u, suddenly won't count - EB :-(
#ukedchat
RT @hairysporran: have also found this yr that teaching pupils from
susanbanister 20:27 yrs 5,6,7,8 in same ability class has helped engage older pupils in
lessons. #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu @Grevster73 Being deafened by the daily mail
colport 20:27
readers at the thought of that!!! #ukedchat
hairysporran 20:27 have also found this yr that teaching pupils from yrs 5,6,7,8 in same
ability class has helped engage older pupils in lessons. #ukedchat
RT @GiftedPhoenix: Here's a creative proposal to engage grammar
Begabungs 20:27 schools more directly in closing the gap - http://bit.ly/ed8BHf -
#ukedchat
@didactylos not according to their age, but cognitive ability
tonycassidy 20:28
#ukedchat
colport 20:28 @tonycassidy Primaries are mainly mixed ability. Within secondary
it is mainly Maths & English streamed? #ukedchat
in EYFS we monitor the gap of lowest 20% and compare to their
headteacher01 20:28 deprivation so we target those children with that little bit more
#ukedchat
@CreativeEdu interesting point,but consequences/ potential
passthechablis 20:28 difficulties often same.Good SEN practise is good 4 all
@susanbanister
Happy with mixed ability classes, but would like them smaller
tonycassidy 20:28
#ukedchat
how do you decide which families are 'deprived' and which aren't, is
it just down to free school meals? #ukedchat
RT @tonycassidy: @didactylos not according to their age, but
kevinmulryne 20:29
cognitive ability #ukedchat
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RT @headteacher01: in EYFS we monitor the gap of lowest 20% and
sarahjnl 20:29 compare to their deprivation so we target those children with that
little bit more #ukedchat
@didactylos @creativeedu teach to ability - but teach to strengths
passthechablis 20:29
and potential too #ukedchat
Controversial here, but I would love parents that don't treat
chrisbest1980 20:29
teachers like a service they're paying for... #ukedchat
headteacher01 20:29
fully endorse mixed ability teaching - all pupils benefit #ukedchat
The UK is ranked =43 in int table of spending on education (% of
CliveBuckley 20:29
GDP) Guess #1? http://bit.ly/Va0jG #ukedchat
RT @passthechablis: @CreativeEdu interesting point,but
kevinmulryne 20:29 consequences/ potential difficulties often same.Good SEN practise
is good 4 all @susanbanister
@colport in my establishment, everyone accept the arts and
tonycassidy 20:29
humanities #ukedchat
How do you close the digital divide that is driven by rich / poor
Creativeedu 20:29
divide? #ukedchat
TheNewHead 20:29 @mbht1: #ukedchat educ not seen as valuable for their children as
it hasn't been valuable in their own lives. <- So true
Catriona_O 20:30
@cleverfiend @tonycassidy streaming is a cop - out #ukedchat
AntHeald 20:30 @Creativeedu great story: but much ed policy now seems based on
stories like yours that could only ever be for the few. #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:30 @colport Our school is streamed Year 3 -6 . We are very large tho &
have tried mixed ability - better in English than Maths #ukedchat
@tonycassidy @didactylos cognitive ability is not static, merely a
measure of performance on a given day. &
tonycassidy 20:30 @cleverfiend agreed with you #ukedchat
CliveBuckley 20:30
.. maybe if we invested more we might get better results #ukedchat
Mixed ability teaching can be highly successful, but it requires
tonycassidy 20:30 experienced practice and huge investment in preparation time
#ukedchat
and did not leave until it was complete regardless of age - would
MissSMitch 20:30
that change attitude? #ukedchat
@headteacher01 I was in a mixed ability class at school and HATED
Creativeedu 20:30
it it was very slow paced... #ukedchat
@tonycassidy Mixed ability classes require investment in CPD for
cleverfiend 20:30 some teachers who struggle. Streaming is the easy/cheap way out
#ukedchat
RT @eyebeams: This is my suggested model >
colport 20:30 http://www.l4l.co.uk/?p=1150 #ukedchat I am bringing people
together to make it happen.
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so how do we bridge the gaping divide? My kids R fine (so far) but I
Catriona_O 20:30 nevr imagined thr wld B such a chasm. Not wht was in the plan
#ukedchat
MissSMitch 20:30 If education system mimicked a more european style, where

students had a learning experience to recieve 1/2 #ukedchat
@tonycassidy agreed, the assembly line has to be a thing of the
didactylos 20:30
past with batch processing gone #ukedchat
@bevevans22 @Catriona_O Is streaming part of the problem? Do
colport 20:31 lower streamed kids set themselves low expectations overall?
#ukedchat
#ukedchat the borough is keen on setting at Primary school. in
jodieworld 20:31 Literacy the lower group have no good role model for languarg exc.
teacher.
@missbrownsword not all deprived families are on free school
Jokprice 20:31
meals pride is a big thing #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu limited by the teacher, not your fellow pupils :(
headteacher01 20:31
#ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:31 Old chestnut, mixed ability within the set #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu Reason for high results for school with below av
suerobinson2 20:31 baseline has to be parental partnership combined with skilful staff
#ukedchat
zany, off the wall idea, what would happen if all schools were
didactylos 20:31
boarding schools? #ukedchat
Yes indeed - define deprived - is financially the only/most important
kevinmulryne 20:31
measure? @missbrownsword #ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:32 @colport I think it depends on the individual, if sets are not fluid, it
can be frustrating - never taught in sets #ukedchat
wow my first #ukedchat for a while and I'm in Turkey...how great is
DrAshCasey 20:32
that!
bobharrisonset 20:32 RT @didactylos: zany, off the wall idea, what would happen if all
schools were boarding schools? #ukedchat Or bored in schools?
@susanbanister @didactylos I think they were called 'work houses'
colport 20:32
in the Victorian age! #ukedchat
To all teachers in the Manchester area. FREE showcase TOK/AQA
Tree_Of 20:32 event in February. Limited spaces available. Get in touch if keen
#ukedchat
@colport could be. Who knows. What do you feel like when you
Catriona_O 20:32
know your not one of the winners? #ukedchat
RT @Janshs: will sound old fashioned but I think lending libraries
christoclifford 20:32 might have a lot to do w/ raising aspirations for less financially well
off #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:32 @colport we stream because we get a huge influx of pupils with
specific needs due to school reputation in that area #ukedchat
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@chrisbest1980 very good point, can often feel like that! Other side
passthechablis 20:32 - I think parents would often like invovlement and honesty
#ukedchat
reading John Medina's brain rules & he says we need to have
DrAshCasey 20:32 smaller class sizes and stop assuming that learning is equal with age
#ukedchat
RT @suerobinson2: @CreativeEdu Reason for high results for
Creativeedu 20:32 school with below av baseline has to be parental partnership
combined with skilful staff #ukedchat
RT @didactylos: zany, off the wall idea, what would happen if all
susanbanister 20:32 schools were boarding schools? #ukedchat >> would work for some
& not all
colport 20:33 @tonycassidy I was just thinking of own experience of being a pupil
myself in a lower set class when I was in 2nd'ary school! #ukedchat
headteacher01 20:33
@CliveBuckley don't show gove thl of Hong Kong!! #ukedchat
it's hard to define, my own children have always had FSM until this
year #ukedchat
@passthechablis involvement/honesty fine! Come in volunteer and
chrisbest1980 20:33 be a part of our community. It's when they demand, demand,
demand #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:33 @colport Many parents travel to our school from outside the area
to access the specialist provision in lower sets #ukedchat
#ukedchat @AndrewManson1 yes it does - some excellent research
Grevster73 20:33
by Prof Jo Boaler in maths supports this no end
@passthechablis indeed, which makes it even harder to clump
didactylos 20:33
learners, more criteria to factor in #ukedchat
RT @kevinmulryne: RT @tonycassidy: Essentially you come back to
christoclifford 20:33
a conflict about what school is for? #ukedchat Yes
@didactylos Please - I can't even think what would happen!
TheNewHead 20:33
#ukedchat
RT @bobharrisonset: RT @didactylos: zany, off the wall idea, what
susanbanister 20:33 would happen if all schools were boarding schools? #ukedchat Or
bored in schools?
Creativeedu 20:33 @headteacher01 We always went at the pace of the slowest

learner and had lots of behaviour disruptions #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:33 @DrAshCasey jealous - #ukedchat!
@Creativeedu that'sof course NOT to decry high expectations.
AntHeald 20:33 Quite the opposite! But more than 1 way of defining high
achievement #ukedchat
colport 20:33 @Catriona_O I know what I felt like when I was in a lower streamed
maths class at secondary school! Why bother? #ukedchat
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#ukedchat Most of our yr11s just got their early entry Eng & Maths
Arakwai 20:33 results. They did great & u can see some of them starting to
believe...!
@colport @CreativeEdu there is gd evidence that mixed groups
Grevster73 20:33 work e.g. he work of Prof Jo Boaler - The Elephant in the Classroom
#ukedchat
passthechablis 20:33 @didactylos I'd get some sleep ;-) #ukedchat
@missbrownsword I was FSM and my Mum thought it would
Janshs 20:34
'bother' me - it dodn't! #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:34
@DrAshCasey oh ha ha ha !!! we miss you though! #ukedchat
@colport I experienced between grouped by ability in one
tonycassidy 20:34
classroom, whilst I was at primary- hated it #ukedchat
@Catriona_O There's another problem...summative testing
colport 20:34
#ukedchat
if your lookin for models there is some good practice and
hairysporran 20:34
interesting ideas here http://q2l.org/ #ukedchat
RT @dwsm: @bevevans22 @jimbo9848 @susanbanister agreed - if
bevevans22 20:34 students are engaged then explore and extend the learning <-
YES!!! #ukedchat
DrAshCasey 20:34 @Catriona_O sorry but someone had to do it... #ukedchat
@colport nah they were only for the underserving feckless poor.....
didactylos 20:34
#ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:34 @colport too right! what a message to give all learners who are'nt
getting the best marks in crappy wee tests! #ukedchat
@Jokprice @missbrownsword Pride stops a lot going on FSM - but
TheNewHead 20:34 causes problems in school when so much funding based on it
#ukedchat
RT @Tree_Of: To all teachers in the Manchester area. FREE
Kirsty_Henshaw 20:34 showcase TOK/AQA event in February. Limited spaces available. Get
in touch if keen #ukedchat
RT @DrAshCasey: wow my first #ukedchat for a while and I'm in
susanbanister 20:34 Turkey...how great is that! >>you are just mocking us - we have
freezing fog
@thenewhead sometimes its worth posing very silly questions.....
didactylos 20:35
#ukedchat
RT @bevevans22: RT @dwsm: @bevevans22 @jimbo9848
filmclubuk 20:35 @susanbanister agreed - if students are engaged then explore and
extend the learning <- YES!!! #ukedchat
#ukedchat @Grevster73 @eyebeams - I went to a TeachFirst
AndrewManson1 20:35 workshop from Sonia Blandford presenting ace evidence
http://bit.ly/gRU5Z6
@didactylos They are still in our society today though!?!?!?
colport 20:35
#ukedchat
@bobharrisonset nah, that's a given, how many teachers could
didactylos 20:35
stand a day as a child? #ukedchat
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@Dunfordjames @tonycassidy #ukedchat LOL - says something
VMM40BUG 20:35 about us. Is it that we have to assimilate or are we just social-
climbers?!!!!!
RT @ukedchat: Please join @colport at 8pm for this weeks
fullonlearning 20:35 #ukedchat - "Closing the Gap: Why is the achievement gap between
rich and poor children so wide?"
@CreativeEdu peer support does have an important part to play -
headteacher01 20:36
and maybe shaped your career??? :) #ukedchat
didactylos 20:36
@passthechablis well there's one vote in favour then..... #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:36 so has streaming/setting got a role to play in reinforcing the role of
the underachiever? #ukedchat? If so, can we ditch it please?!
I wrote once (reflecting on being 11 and in the bottom stream 4
DrAshCasey 20:36 everything) that I had not where to go and nothing to aspire to
#ukedchat
@VMM40BUG @Dunfordjames I don't consider myself middle
tonycassidy 20:36 class, I live and work in the same area I grew up in. I have no power
#ukedchat
@Janshs it never seemed to bother my kids either! they're more
missbrownsword 20:36 bothered by me making them have packed lunch now they're not
free! #ukedchat
RT @DrAshCasey: reading John Medina's brain rules & he says we
Grevster73 20:36 need to have smaller class sizes and stop assuming that learning is
equal with age #ukedchat
Any teachers who were in lower streamed set when they were at
colport 20:36
school? How did it make you feel? #ukedchat
I failed my 11+ and seriously believe it scarred me for life. Makes
ParsleyBill 20:37
you feel inferior. #ukedchat
@didactylos It's worth doing a pupil pursuit for a day again- I was
tonycassidy 20:37
left completely tired #ukedchat
@colport I was in the bottom set for maths (new school) and
cleverfiend 20:37 eventually moved to top and got A. Always first to finish/work 2
easy #ukedchat
@Catriona_O if streaming reinforces underachievement, does it
janwebb21 20:37 also reinforce pressure on higher ability pupils? for good or bad?
#ukedchat
@colport My son went thru lower sets due to learning problems
bevevans22 20:37 linked to disability. He said he would have been anxious elsewhere
#ukedchat
I'm currently teaching bottom Y11 and i think they do set
phillengthorn 20:37
themselves lower expectations #ukedchat
Janshs 20:37 @missbrownsword LOL (I used to sell my 'tickets' and buy sweets
#fail) #ukedchat = maybe I'd be entrepeneurial today
headteacher01 20:37 @ejf23 sounds good! #ukedchat
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@colport @Catriona_O can b true,e.g pupils wi/ dyslexia where
passthechablis 20:37 focus is what they can't do -rather than potential.Lack of fluidity
#ukedchat
RT @DrAshCasey: reading John Medina's brain rules & he says we
Dunfordjames 20:37 need to have smaller class sizes and stop assuming that learning is
equal with age #ukedchat
#ukedchat we have tried to ditch streaming in school to fit in with
jodieworld 20:37 our International Bacc curriculum. Borough will not accept this!
Booo
@colport @bevevans22 @Catriona_O #ukedchat I think streaming
Grevster73 20:37
is a big problem an keeping the gap open
#ukedchat The gap would be even wider if not for us like minded
JamiePortman 20:37 teachers. Let's celebrate successes, replicate them & spread the
word!
@jodieworld because they wrongly 'believed' that streaming was
DrAshCasey 20:38 effective? is that a "well in never did me any harm" response
#ukedchat
tatooinechick 20:38 showcase TOK/AQA event in February. Limited spaces available. Get
@bevevans22 @colport #ukedchat I was in lower set for maths
TheNewHead 20:38 initially, moved up and ended up doing my degree in maths -
worked for me.
@dawnhallybone don't worry it was going so fast I couldn't keep
paulhaigh 20:38
up- off the screen before i'd read them! #ukedchat
@colport #ukedchat Hated struggling in the top Maths set more
VMM40BUG 20:38 than if I'd been correctly streamed. Destroyed my confidence in
myself
NaziaKausar 20:38 @Tree_Of I am interested - what day and time? #ukedchat
colport 20:38 @cleverfiend Ok, so you had positive attitude to improve yourself.
Can the same be said for others in same class? #ukedchat
@dawnhallybone Still worth catching. Some good points being
susanbanister 20:38
made #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:38
@AndrewManson1 yep, So why do we like it so much? #ukedchat?
#ukedchat there was a study once where a teacher thought he was
jodieworld 20:38 teaching top set but was teaching bottoms. They did better than
the top set!
@colport summative testing has its place - as long as it's not THE
Catriona_O 20:38 DEFINING place for YP. There is so much more we need to look at
#ukedchat
The impact of streaming is similar to the impact of "sink" LA
richardanderson 20:39 housing; a lack of role models in the immediate family / network?
#ukedchat
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TotsCorner 20:39 showcase TOK/AQA event in February. Limited spaces available. Get
@Catriona_O streaming does the same thing postcode - categories
AndrewManson1 20:39 and segregate - schools operate on same principles as society
#ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:39 I'm actually quite proud of being called the worse student my
biology teacher had taught in 30 yrs -achievement #ukedchat
RT @ParsleyBill: I failed my 11+ and seriously believe it scarred me
for life. Makes you feel inferior. #ukedchat
kevinmulryne 20:39 RT @ParsleyBill: I failed my 11+ and seriously believe it scarred me

for life. Makes you feel inferior. #ukedchat >yes
I was at a low achieving primary school. It was very uncool to try
Creativeedu 20:40
hard.... #ukedchat
#ukedchat Scottish funding council introduce a Needs-led model
esoldaveglasgow 20:40 instead of "Medical" model for extra learning support. Really +ve
change
@jodieworld and that is the truth of it. Decisions made by those
DrAshCasey 20:40 who are not fit to make the decisions they are expected to make
#ukedchat
RT @ParsleyBill:I failed my 11+ and seriously believe it scarred me
Jokprice 20:40 for life. Makes you feel inferior. #ukedchat >yesâ€•me too agree
100%
tonycassidy 20:40 There was also a study (can't quote- in Galdwell) where students
did better when their teaching just told them they would #ukedchat
@Grevster73 I know what you're saying & we are mixed
bevevans22 20:40
ability/class based for 2/3 of the week #ukedchat
Kirsty_Henshaw 20:40 @NaziaKausar @Tree_Of they are fab Nazia xx #ukedchat
didactylos 20:40 #ukedchat from conception onwards it could be argued that some
people have a starting advantage which just continues to develop
@TheNewHead @bevevans22 @colport so what is the value of
malcolmbellamy 20:40
setting? #ukedchat
@richardanderson -#ukedchat exactly - this underpins my work of
AndrewManson1 20:40
the last four years..
Catriona_O 20:40 @tonycassidy hey - I got 7 As and a D!!!!! #ukedchat! I'm well proud
of that -says more about my teacher than me I reckon!
@susanbanister no it's freezing here too ... had to fly in freezing fog
DrAshCasey 20:40
and snow to get here today. #ukedchat
RT @tonycassidy: I'm actually quite proud of being called the worse
Creativeedu 20:40 student my biology teacher had taught in 30 yrs -achievement
#ukedchat
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@malcolmbellamy @bevevans22 @colport It was setting that
TheNewHead 20:41 helped me move on. Had missed a lot having been abroad.
#ukedchat
i read something that said more important than streaming or not
missbrownsword 20:41 was whether teacher BELIEVED in the the model they're teaching in
#ukedchat
@colport #ukedchat for us ICT is closing the gap. Getting kids
jodieworld 20:41 interested, seeing whats out in the world and aiming for what they
want
caroljallen 20:41 @didactylos #ukedchat I feel this is indeed the case
#ukedchat just joined,trying to catch up.We're trying streaming this
iamclairei 20:41 yr+going really well so far.Much smaller classes+ more focused
teaching
tonycassidy 20:41
@Catriona_O well done- I'd be proud of those grades #ukedchat
Last 20 minutes or so of #ukedchat - What can be done to close the
colport 20:41
gap?
richardanderson 20:41
@didactylos #ukedchat I don't think there's any doubt about that
RT @kevinmulryne: Anyone seen vertical tutor groups for learning
janwebb21 20:41
not just social? #ukedchat
@Dunfordjames Tad worried some may 'settle' for C & not try 2
Arakwai 20:41 improve in June, but overall fab 2 see the disbelief on their faces!
#ukedchat
@colport No - setting doesn't really raise aspirations. Some
cleverfiend 20:41 students like the safety that comes with hiding in a similar crowd
#ukedchat
Anyone seen vertical tutor groups for learning not just social?
kevinmulryne 20:41
#ukedchat
#ukedchat i think setting benefits one person and one person
jodieworld 20:41 only...a lazy teacher. one who cannot differentiate within a class as
needed
@Grevster73 @malcolmbellamy @TheNewHead @bevevans22 On
colport 20:42
many levels, I agree #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu @Catriona_O quality- why do teachers do that?
tonycassidy 20:42
Detentions for underachieving- fail #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:42 Are academies / free schools closing the gap? #ukedchat
@colport They put me in set 6/8 in Eng due to behaviour. I reacted
JamiePortman 20:42 to my Teacher's encouragement to prove everyone wrong. Got my
C #ukedchat
@chrisbest1980 I wonder if sometimes anxious parents are
mistaken for demanding parents? #ukedchat
jodieworld 20:42 @DrAshCasey I have sent 3 letters to the coalition since september
so far! still waiting for a reasonable response ;-) #ukedchat
RT @kevinmulryne: Anyone seen vertical tutor groups for learning
Creativeedu 20:42
not just social? #ukedchat <interesting idea
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going to RT this from earlier
Janshs 20:42 http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=4146
67 #ukedchat (re 11 plus etc)
RT @malcolmbellamy: it is about self belief and you don't get that if
janwebb21 20:42
you're labelled low ability #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu thoroughly enjoyed teaching mixed ability Y4 class
headteacher01 20:42
maths today! #ukedchat
RT @tonycassidy: I'm actually quite proud of being called the worse
VMM40BUG 20:42 student my biology teacher had taught in 30 yrs -achievement
#ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:42 @didactylos bit defeatist, no? #ukedchat
@malcolmbellamy @TheNewHead @bevevans22 @colport setting
Grevster73 20:42
is believed to be easier for Ts, not for Ps #ukedchat
it is about self belief and you don't get that if you're labelled low
ability #ukedchat
Interesting background information coming from the #ukedchat
colport 20:42
community!
@jodieworld we have to keep knocking on the door and shouting
DrAshCasey 20:42
"noooooooooooooooooo" #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:42 @colport well, my initial thought was vertical streaming/streaming

but after some of the previous comments........ #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:42 @Catriona_O @tonycassidy - ditto... 3 As and a fail in my mock A

levels and my teacher put me in detention for a week! #ukedchat
RT @colport: Last 20 minutes or so of #ukedchat - What can be
filmclubuk 20:42
done to close the gap?
RT @eyebeams: RAISE SELF-ESTEEM and watch what happens -
bevevans22 20:43 closing gap #ukedchat <- This is why we have well being session
every week
@richardanderson OK, but it could be construed as defeatist. Why
Catriona_O 20:43
bother if ur path is mapped? #ukedchat?
tonycassidy 20:43 @CreativeEdu I'll let you know- next year #ukedchat
RT @Grevster73: @malcolmbellamy @TheNewHead @bevevans22
malcolmbellamy 20:43 @colport #ukedchat - you must read Jo Boaler's Elephant in the
Classroom - maths teaching
RT @frogphilp: Teachers, educators, anyone - pls look at this from
passthechablis 20:43 the DfE and contribute http://bit.ly/fplSMT (or we're going back to
the 1950s) #ukedchat
@bevevans22 it's why personalisation is SOOO important - one size
janwebb21 20:43
doe NOT fit all #ukedchat
jodieworld 20:43 #ukedchat i think it's vital that children stay in classes so they see
that the child who is bottom in english is top in sports etc etc
passthechablis 20:43 @didactylos ever changing criteria too! #ukedchat
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@malcolmbellamy @TheNewHead @bevevans22 @colport
Grevster73 20:43 #ukedchat - you must read Jo Boaler's Elephant in the Classroom -
maths teaching
@kevinmulryne the NC really hinders vertical groups in some
cleverfiend 20:43 subjects. Needs more spiral curriculum models to aid mobility
#ukedchat
RT @bevevans22: @malcolmbellamy My son benefited from being
janwebb21 20:43 in an environment where his learning was supported. Doesn't work
for all though #ukedchat
@Catriona_O #ukedchat Not defeatist. He's simply laying out the
richardanderson 20:43
challenge
@malcolmbellamy My son benefited from being in an environment
bevevans22 20:43 where his learning was supported. Doesn't work for all though
#ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:43 RT @malcolmbellamy: it is about self belief and you don't get that if
you're labelled low ability #ukedchat < self belief, not self esteem>>
RT @missbrownsword: i read something that said more important
tonycassidy 20:43 than streaming or not was whether teacher BELIEVED in the the
model they're teaching in #ukedchat
@colport agree that learning occurs at a personal and not a year
DrAshCasey 20:43
group pace? #ukedchat
@malcolmbellamy though I don't necessarily think that is also a
janwebb21 20:43 function of ability - self-belief often low for high achievers
#ukedchat
RT @jodieworld: #ukedchat i think it's vital that children stay in
Creativeedu 20:44 classes so they see that the child who is bottom in english is top in
sports etc etc
DrAshCasey 20:44 @jodieworld good for you! #ukedchat
malcolmbellamy 20:44 we need to close the belief gap #ukedchat
@bevevans22 self esteem or self belief? #ukedchat. There is a
Catriona_O 20:44
HUGE difference3
@miss_mcinerney yes primary, so kids happy to have family join in
ejf23 20:44 class. Also do school trips on local buses & invite parents.
#ukedchat
@Catriona_O #ukedchat? - we have a need to categorize and rank
AndrewManson1 20:44 so we can map our worlds and make sense - but the labels we
create stick
@colport #ukedchat for people to take teaching and learning
caroljallen 20:44 seriously; to abandon the 'one size fits all' lesson with no
differentiation
Creativeedu 20:44 @tonycassidy if she hadn't bullied me so hard I was scared to ask
questions I might not have failed. #evilteacher #ukedchat
#ukedchat grouping abilities together does not reflect life. We
jodieworld 20:44 already have the rich and poor in seperate schools mostly. dont
segregate!
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So engrossed in #ukedchat I didn't realise I was listening to Pet
colport 20:44
Shop Boys :-s
headteacher01 20:44 Surely the key is grounded in our expectations of pupils? If our
expectations are limited... then achievement will be too #ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: RT @kevinmulryne: Any1 seen vertical tutor
kevinmulryne 20:44 groups for learn not just social? #ukedchat <interesting idea > &
mixed ability?
janwebb21 20:45
@jodieworld but they see that whatever the groupings #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:45 @thewhiteant thanks #ukedchat
ianpocock 20:45 Just managed to join the conversation - what has been the
discussion around parental engagement in learning? #ukedchat
jodieworld 20:45 @janwebb21 but they also learn that the less able in ONE area
could be the MOST able in another area. that is vital #ukedchat
RT @KnikiDavies: RT #ukedchat - you must read Jo Boaler's
Janshs 20:45 Elephant in the Classroom - maths teaching absolutely - has
changed my beliefs & practice
@tonycassidy can lead a horse to water and all that....... I agree
janwebb21 20:45
#ukedchat
#Ukedchat I teach in one of the most deprived schools in my
WolvesTeach 20:45 LA...our community is great, children have aspirations. I hope we
support this!
Catriona_O 20:45 I an very wary of the concept of self esteem #ukedchat
RT @eyebeams: RAISE SELF-ESTEEM and watch what happens -
JaneWoods3 20:45 closing gap #ukedchat> absolutely..my personal philosphy & proved
right every time!
RT @CreativeEdu: I was at a low achieving primary school. It was
bryanharrison31 20:45
very uncool to try hard.... #ukedchat
RT #ukedchat - you must read Jo Boaler's Elephant in the
KnikiDavies 20:45 Classroom - maths teaching absolutely - has changed my beliefs &
practice
Can you really raise an individual's self-esteem? This is highly
tonycassidy 20:45 personal, you can show them the reality, but not lead them to it
#ukedchat
janwebb21 20:45 @jodieworld I'm not srue that it matters if in a mixed ability class or
streamed class, kids KNOW who is more/less able #ukedchat
@eyebeams We celebrate pupils achievements by posting them on
bevevans22 20:45 a shared area in school & praise children when we see them
#ukedchat
kevinmulryne 20:45
@cleverfiend Yes competency based would be best #ukedchat
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jodieworld 20:46 @janwebb21 well yes if done across the curriculum they would see
that. but its usually just maths and english #ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:46
Nice chat- off to wind down, thanks for the reflection #ukedchat
missbrownsword 20:46 didn't know that RT @ParsleyBill: Can differentiation do more harm
than good? #ukedchat Diff'n by task not allowed in Spain!
bevevans22 20:46 @Catriona_O Self esteem is a big issue in our school. Parents have
no confidence in system and pass it onto children #ukedchat
RT @Kerileef: @colport - remember that 'closing the gap' in exam
colport 20:46 results etc isn't really the purpose of education, just a proxy?
#ukedchat
@jodieworld or should I say if streaming is done ACROSS curriculum
janwebb21 20:46
#ukedchat
#ukedchat - how would you feel being "streamed" in staff meetings.
jackieschneider 20:46
Anyone else think they'd be resentful?
@ianpocock Some parents do not engage in childrens learning,
colport 20:46
therefore set low expectations #ukedchat
If you find the area a child excels at and encourage them you can
Creativeedu 20:46
often raise their aspirations all round #ukedchat
@missbrownsword agree + the motivation@enthusisam of
suerobinson2 20:46 teachers to stimulate a love of learning in chn and if poss parents
essential #ukedchat
JamiePortman 20:46 #ukedchat In my experience brilliant teachers reduce the gap. 100%
of teachers in the UK aren't brilliant. Until that happens...
Kerileef 20:46 @colport - remember that 'closing the gap' in exam results etc isn't
really the purpose of education, just a proxy? #ukedchat
caroljallen 20:46 @WolvesTeach #ukedchat Excellent!
Catriona_O 20:46 @didactylos but we need to nmake them believe they have choices
to make which will influence their future, no??#ukedchat
RT @jackieschneider: @missbrownsword - totally agree. Research
missbrownsword 20:46 on phonics v real books showed teachers beliefs most important
#ukedchat
Can differentiation do more harm than good? #ukedchat Diff'n by
ParsleyBill 20:46
task not allowed in Spain!
RT @janwebb21: @bevevans22 it's why personalisation is SO
bevevans22 20:46 important - one size doe NOT fit all #ukedchat - Yes -personalised
learning is key
RT @CreativeEdu: RT @kevinmulryne: Anyone seen vertical tutor
headteacher01 20:47 groups for learning not just social? #ukedchat < See FTC in
Scunthorpe Brill!
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Creativeedu 20:47 a special school I worked with was sinking-introd street dance- the
kids flourished.They were the BEST at something #ukedchat
@jackieschneider some subjects are - are Maths, Science and
DrAshCasey 20:47
English given the best seats? #ukedchat
@jodieworld not just develop strengths, we need to bring up the
janwebb21 20:47
skills in those areas that aren't a strength #ukedchat
jackieschneider 20:47 #ukedchat I would let kids choose own stream
@JamiePortman #ukedchat Question is, how do you make sure
miss_mcinerney 20:47
children at bottom of the 'gap' get the best teachers?
@Catriona_O Self belief is a different kettle of fish. That kicks in
bevevans22 20:47 later I think. Self esteem can be an issue from much younger
#ukedchat
@colport what the experience of trying to get parents involved?
ianpocock 20:47
#ukedchat
To RT a RT of mine earlier today: "The most powerful element in
CliveBuckley 20:47 #education is the teacher. Nothing will ever compete with that."
#UKEDCHAT
@CreativeEdu and that opens the old can of worms - how do you
cleverfiend 20:47 make learning/achieving something to aspire to rather than
embarrass #ukedchat
@Kerileef Exam results need to be taken into consideration with
colport 20:47
the everyday learning IMHO #ukedchat
RT @jodieworld: #ukedchat grouping abilities together does not
Grevster73 20:47 reflect life. We already have the rich and poor in seperate schools
mostly. dont segregate!
janwebb21 20:47 @jodieworld that's the stuff that Coverdale espoused a long time
ago - and is still so relevant! #ukedchat - but role as teachers is to...
RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat - how would you feel being
kevinmulryne 20:47 "streamed" in staff meetings. Anyone else think they'd be
resentful? >yup
How can we encourage parents to help? How do parents help?
DrAshCasey 20:47
#ukedchat
theotheralig 20:47 #ukedchat I differentiate for 5 gps in Maths and Lit - have to to
cover levels P7 to L4 in both. Mixed ability gps for all other subjects
@JamiePortman We all know the types you are referring to!
colport 20:48
#ukedchat
@bevevans22 @Catriona_O But is that really a self esteem issue?
albanystreet 20:48 No confidence in the system doesn't mean no self confidence
#ukedchat
RT @colport: @ianpocock The parents who you target do not
ianpocock 20:48 engage :-( #ukedchat <~ Do schools needs to be more pro-active in
engaging parents?
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RT @Creativeedu: If you find the area a child excels at and
thosethatcan 20:48 encourage them you can often raise their aspirations all round
#ukedchat
Does anyone else here use the PASS assessment scheme to monitor
bevevans22 20:48
well being? http://bit.ly/dTEflR #ukedchat
@jodieworld so true but so unrealistic - streaming needs to be in
janwebb21 20:48
context #ukedchat
@ianpocock The parents who you target do not engage :-(
colport 20:48 #ukedchat <~ Do schools needs to be more pro-active in engaging
parents?
JamiePortman 20:48 #ukedchat Might sound controversial here but some schools settle
with mediocre teachers. How does that close the gap?
RT @DrAshCasey: How can we encourage parents to help? How do
susanbanister 20:48
parents help? #ukedchat >> needs to be done
RT @CliveBuckley: "The most powerfl elemnt in eduction is the
susanbanister 20:49 teacher. Nothing will evr compete with that." #UKEDCHAT >what
abt the learner?
@ianpocock @colport #ukedchat in my field, education children
caroljallen 20:49 with additional needs, working with parents essential - no real good
without
Cool! THat sounds like my kind of place! @headteacher01
kevinmulryne 20:49
#ukedchat
RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat - how would you feel being
ZoeAndrewsAST 20:49 "streamed" in staff meetings. Anyone else think they'd be
resentful?
â€œ@jackieschneider: #ukedchat I would let kids choose own
VMM40BUG 20:49 streamâ€• We let children in mixed ability lessons choose their
level of work
jodieworld 20:49 RT @malcolmbellamy: teachers can aid or destroy confidence..

sometimes with one statement #ukedchat <--- truedat
thosethatcan 20:49 @CreativeEdu yes! nurture works! #ukedchat
teachers can aid or destroy confidence.. sometimes with one
statement #ukedchat
RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat I would let kids choose own
kevinmulryne 20:49
stream > but risks 'hiding'?
@Kerileef That is just the current economic climate at the moment,
colport 20:50
surely #ukedchat
Grevster73 20:50 #ukedchat 1/2 even the best teachers are inadvertently classifying
pupils based on their name, ability, social group and expectaions...
RT @CliveBuckley: To RT a RT of mine earlier today: "The most
juandoming 20:50 powerful element in #education is the teacher. Nothing will ever
compete with that." #UKEDCHAT
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#ukedchat Becoming a Performing Arts School has slowly
Arakwai 20:50 developed our kids self-belief, confidence & ability to present their
learning :-)
@colport Is it about the mechanism for engaging as much as being
ianpocock 20:50 proactive, epsecially those who had bad experiences themselves
#ukedchat
janwebb21 20:50
@carrief7 #ukedchat so improtant to maintain that individualism!
miss_mcinerney 20:50 @albanystree #ukedchat Good point on self-esteem
@JamiePortman Can they fire old and then hire new teachers? Will
DrAshCasey 20:50 new teachers go to a school with low standards? vicious circle?
#ukedchat
@albanystreet It can do. If you have no money & have had bad
bevevans22 20:50
experiences in school it all adds up. #ukedchat
didactylos 20:50 @creativeedu street dance, where does that fit in the EngBacc
please asks the Blessed Michael of Gove #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:50 @jodieworld lol! #ukedchat!!!!!
tough one @cleverfiend ...any ideas? street dance was 'cool' so that
Creativeedu 20:50
was easier... #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu Absolutely.That always isn't in 'traditional' academia,
filmclubuk 20:50 but the skills learned there can be taken back into classroom
#ukedchat
@ianpocock @colport #ukedchat - with the greatest respect some
jackieschneider 20:51 schools send out nagging letters blaming all parents for failings of a
few
@jodieworld streamed classess - with streaming being done not
janwebb21 20:51
just in maths/lit but in EVERY subject #ukedchat
RT @eyebeams: I think we need to reinvent the role of learning
JamiePortman 20:51
communities and take charge
@CreativeEdu streetdance is not easy!! have you evwer tried
Catriona_O 20:51 karaoke to rap music?? Similar for singing entsthusiasts & v hard!
#ukedchat
RT @malcolmbellamy teachers can aid or destroy confidence..
Janshs 20:51 sometimes with one statement #ukedchat >> yes 'gr8 trumpet
playing' 'good diag'
@Catriona_O low self esteem has been identified as a huge issue in
bevevans22 20:51 our area. Many reasons why - need to try and break the cycle
#ukedchat
Totallywired77 20:51 @CliveBuckley "The most powerful element in #education is the

teacher." Surely the learner is the most powerful??? #ukedchat
didactylos 20:51 @creativeedu the 'Kes' moment. #ukedchat
#ukedchat 2/2 parents, society and teachers all have a role to play
Grevster73 20:51
in closing the gap. It is a big ask.
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@jodieworld I think our difference is that I think kids see those
janwebb21 20:51 differences whether in same class across curriculum or in
#ukedchat
#ukedchat the International Baccalaureate is making a big
jodieworld 20:51 difference at our school. Now just need the borough to leave us to
it!
missbrownsword 20:51 some chn in Y6 at my school go on a 'playing for success' course

which I've seen transform chn with low self esteem #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu I think like most things that are wrong with society
cleverfiend 20:51 we spend more time treating the symptoms than underlying cause
#ukedchat
hairysporran 20:52 @JamiePortman agreed the use interactive board to show

powerpoint presentation generation need to move on #ukedchat
@bevevans22 I'm wary of getting caught up in pepole's ideas of
Catriona_O 20:52
what they thin k of themselves tho' #ukedchat
colport 20:52 @jackieschneider Mmm, sad but true #ukedchat
@jodieworld thoughI'm going to contradict myself and say I'm a
janwebb21 20:52 real advocate of mixed ability, cross curricular teaching!!!
#ukedchat
RT @Arakwai #ukedchat Becoming a Perf Arts Sch has slowly dev
kevinmulryne 20:52 kids self-belief, confidence & ability to present their learning :-)
FANTASTIC
@JamiePortman good point. Interesting when schools deal with
Dunfordjames 20:52 that. Upgrading staff as important as upgrading tech and building
#ukedchat
RT @cleverfiend: @CreativeEdu I think like most things that are
AntHeald 20:52 wrong with society we spend more time treating the symptoms
than underlying cause #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:52 good point @didactylos though actually they did write posters
(english) and sell tickets (enterprise, maths).... #ukedchat
ianpocock 20:52
@jodieworld How much difference does IB make? #ukedchat
i like the idea of getting worked marked with made up names.. the
results can surprise you #ukedchat
@albanystreet yes. Also spending time with your kids means you
DrAshCasey 20:52 don't have time to spend on yourself.TV is a convinient babysitter
#ukedchat
headteacher01 20:52
@kevinmulryne it is an inspiring visit - give them a call #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:53 @jodieworld LOL!!!! #ukedchat
Grevster73 20:53 @ianpocock @jodieworld #ukedchat IB = BIGGER GAP!!!
@Kerileef What is the solution? Is it all doom and gloom?
colport 20:53
#ukedchat
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@Catriona_O I know - me too. But it's not something you can
bevevans22 20:53
brush aside either unfortunately. #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:53 @carrief7 #ukedchat ABOSUTELY - actually, that was the beauty of
discovering twitter and finding others that thought same!!!
Any final suggestions within #ukedchat on "What can be done to
colport 20:53
close the gap?"
@cleverfiend so true. prevention is nearly always better than cure.
Creativeedu 20:53
#ukedchat
@janwebb21 Sorry, I was referring to wider social and economic
colport 20:54
future for pupils #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:54 @colportt only that we've bn trying 4 3 centuries now and still
haven't cracked it. In fact, R we nearer, or further away? #ukedchat
Look at @RGSDeutsch/rgs-4, our secondary school's attempt at
RGSDeutsch 20:54 social learning. Let us know your thoughts / suggestions! Please RT.
#ukedchat
@DrAshCasey Sadly all too often. Hate to say but when I was briefly
albanystreet 20:54 teaching in private ed, parent involvement clearly the diff
#ukedchat
RT @kevinmulryne: 5mins left - where has that hour gone?
susanbanister 20:54
#ukedchat >>beats me
@jackieschneider @colport @caroljallen - if a parent's school days
ianpocock 20:54 were negative it can be hard to persuade them of the value
#ukedchat
@colport #ukedchat don't lose faith, keep going despite all the
caroljallen 20:54
barriers that are placed in our way!
RT @kevinmulryne: 5mins left - where has that hour gone?
janwebb21 20:54
#ukedchat
kevinmulryne 20:54 5mins left - where has that hour gone? #ukedchat
I also work to put as many opportunities/experiences to them
WolvesTeach 20:54 Opening a radio station this year- maybe budding radio producers?
#Ukedchat
@colport not doom and gloom - personalisation, collaboration,
janwebb21 20:54
peer feedback, co-construction #ukedchat
@jackieschneider @ianpocock @colport #ukedchat important to
Totallywired77 20:54 remember that some parents have a schoolphobia due to their own
-ve experiences
@creativeedu doubt if the Blessed Michael ever did such stuff so
didactylos 20:54
can't have been any good! #ukedchat
RT @Dunfordjames Upgrading staff as important as upgrading tech
JamiePortman 20:54 and building #ukedchat >>> AGREED! This for me is one starting
point
@ianpocock #ukedchat for us its huge - very deprived and
jodieworld 20:54 multicultural school. Inquiry based learning means children
progress at own level
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Creativeedu 20:54 I broke a sweat just watching! @Catriona_O was fab to see the kids
flourish. the next year the Y11s taught the younger kids. #ukedchat
RT @Kerileef: likely to intensify if you look at long term trends. See
colport 20:54 Lauder & Brown. We're moving into high skills low wage econ
#ukedchat
@colport #ukedchat - mixed ability classes, embedded careers ed,
AndrewManson1 20:55 targeted interactions with some families and aim to only raise self
esteem
colport 20:55 @caroljallen I just have to look into the energy and enthusiasm in
my students eyes to keep the faith #ukedchat
ianpocock 20:55 Could be that solving that hurdle is the first step are there any
innovators in that space? @colport @jackieschneider #ukedchat
@didactylos that's true. Maybe we should introduce country
Creativeedu 20:55 dancing or something similarly archaic and middle classed next
year? #ukedchat
informed_edu 20:55 Only just arrived in #ukedchat but closing the gap needs kids free to
follow inspirational teachers without 1-size-fits-all curricula/tests
susanbanister 20:55 @Catriona_O @colport we should be closer!! #ukedchat
Kerileef 20:55 @colport - absolutely not, it's an opportunity to start a real

conversation about what we think ed is really for #ukedchat
RT @JamiePortman: RT @eyebeams: I think we need to reinvent
Grevster73 20:55
the role of learning communities and take charge
#ukedchat Differentiation cud be describd as streaming within
esoldaveglasgow 20:55 group. Put another way, isn't streamng tailoring the teaching to
learner need?
jodieworld 20:55 RT @Grevster73: @ianpocock @jodieworld #ukedchat IB = BIGGER

GAP!!! <--- not in our INNER CITY LONDON DEPRIVED SCHOOL!!!
Grevster73 20:55 RT @malcolmbellamy: i like the idea of getting worked marked with
made up names.. the results can surprise you #ukedchat
RT @caroljallen: @colport #ukedchat don't lose faith, keep going
Grevster73 20:56
despite all the barriers that are placed in our way!
RT @CreativeEdu: I love to end on a positive. What is everyone's
colport 20:56 action point from tonight. How will YOU start close the gap?
#ukedchat
@colport my answer would still be the same!!! in the context of
janwebb21 20:56 social and economic future, only way to reduce gap is to those
#ukedchat
RT @jodieworld: RT @Grevster73: #ukedchat IB = BIGGER GAP!!! <--
ianpocock 20:56 - not in our INNER CITY LONDON DEPRIVED SCHOOL!!! < why not
bigger gap?
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susanbanister 20:56 RT @VMM40BUG: Fab #ukedchat tonight!
I love to end on a positive. What is everyone's action point from
Creativeedu 20:56
tonight. How will YOU start close the gap? #ukedchat
@hairysporran @jamieportman couldn't agree more. Does the use
Totallywired77 20:56
of IWB's deepen learning? #ukedchat
@Kerileef Precisely....welcome to #ukedchat It's a shame we're not
colport 20:56
the decision makers!
@colport - see www.beyondcurrenthorizons.org - challenge 4 on
Kerileef 20:56
future of work and employment #ukedchat
VMM40BUG 20:56 Fab #ukedchat tonight!
@missbrownsword We do that with our Y5s. Definitely makes sime
RealLara 20:56 difference and chn are selected by school not by external critieria
#ukedchat
bevevans22 20:56 @colport Build a community, be supportive, have high expectation

for all and make children ready for their future!! #ukedchat
@phillengthorn do we want learners who are so very well versed in
Catriona_O 20:57
self-esteem? #ukedchat
am all about the nurture approach - their successes. They need to
thosethatcan 20:57
know you know them. #ukedchat
ianaddison 20:57 quick question, i'm hosting #ukedchat next week, what do YOU
want to discuss? you have 10mins to send me suggestions
bevevans22 20:57 RT @didactylos: @creativeedu you trendy, next you'll be wanting to

teach 'ologies'. #ukedchat <- you say the coolest things :)
colport 20:57 Last few minutes for #ukedchat - Can you close the gap?
@colport - if we're really interested in building equity we need to
Kerileef 20:57 build new economic models with kids. See co-op schools network
#ukedchat
high expectations, all the time, from all staff in school would be a
good start I think #ukedchat
RT @bevevans22: @colport Build a community, be supportive, have
filmclubuk 20:57 high expectation for all and make children ready for their future!!
#ukedchat
RT @colport: RT @CreativeEdu: I love to end on a positive. What is
janwebb21 20:57 everyone's action point from tonight. How will YOU start close the
gap? #ukedchat
phillengthorn 20:57
it is as much about self-esteem as it is about ability #ukedchat
RT @missbrownsword: some chn in Y6 at my school go on a
idletim 20:57 'playing for success' course which I've seen transform chn with low
self esteem #ukedchat
@creativeedu you trendy, next you'll be wanting to teach 'ologies'.
didactylos 20:57
#ukedchat
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Catriona_O 20:57 @stephenheppell talks about supersize classes - a MINIMUM of 90
in a class - what a radical departure that would be #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:57 @colport or even to do all those!!! #ukedchat
caroljallen 20:57 @colport #ukedchat absolutely - we have the BEST job in the world -
good to discuss the problems but don't lose sight of the brilliance!
DrAshCasey 20:57 @albanystreet the difference or a difference? #ukedchat
@colport certainly seems that way - only seems like 5 mins since I
janwebb21 20:58
joined in!!! #ukedchat
jodieworld 20:58 RT @informed_edu: Also to close the gap we need teachers to keep
on learning, and focus on independent love of learning #ukedchat
@jodieworld is it the range/breadth of subjects of the metho of
ianpocock 20:58
learning? #ukedchat
phillengthorn 20:58 RT @missbrownsword: high expectations, all the time, from all staff
in school would be a good start I think #ukedchat <<<agree
colport 20:58
@janwebb21 @CreativeEdu A speedy, fast #ukedchat this evening.
informed_edu 20:58 Also to close the gap we need teachers to keep on learning, and
focus on independent love of learning #ukedchat
keep my staff having the highest expectations for all, despite the
headteacher01 20:58
attitude of some parents #ukedchat
@bevevans22 @colport Here here! I now work in Community
albanystreet 20:58 Learning & Development - community is key, learning does not just
= school #ukedchat
â€œ@colport: Any final suggestions within #ukedchat on "What
Totallywired77 20:58 can be done to close the gap?"â€• Engagement, challenge,
relevant, personal and fun
@colport or perhas I was answering @CreativeEdu's question!
janwebb21 20:58
#ukedchat
RT @ParsleyBill: #ukedchat be the pushy parent for all the children
in your class
@hairysporran #ukedchat Made me laugh. I'd love to see some of
esoldaveglasgow 20:59 my dinosaur College colleagues START using whiteboard to show
ppt
bevevans22 20:59 Other ideas to close the gap: work closely with parents and make
learning relevant and child centered - it has to be #ukedchat
RealLara 20:59 @CreativeEdu Make even more sure my enthusiasm for learning
and belief in all our children as learners ia clear to all. #ukedchat
@kevinmulryne MAYPOLES are definitely not part of Mr Gove's
didactylos 20:59
modern curriculum, puhleeese! #ukedchat
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caroljallen 20:59 @colport #ukedchat Never deliver a lesson that was 'good enough' -
if not what you would want for your own children then its a fail!
Grevster73 20:59 RT @informed_edu: Also to close the gap we need teachers to keep
on learning, and focus on independent love of learning #ukedchat
colport 20:59 My final though, "In order to express yourself fully, you have to
master technique. And it takes as long as it takes" #ukedchat
@ianpocock It's not subject based at all. It's based on the principles
jodieworld 20:59 of becoming a world wide confident independent learner.
#ukedchat
ParsleyBill 20:59
#ukedchat be the pushy parent for all the children in your class
Sezzey44 20:59 #ukedchat tell the kids they are great
BobToms100 20:59 Panel discussion from a sec schl re. Schools Sports Partnership
programme (cuts & benefits, etc) on Radio 5live now #ukedchat
RT @ianaddison: quick question, i'm hosting #ukedchat next week,
Creativeedu 20:59 what do YOU want to discuss? you have 10mins to send me
suggestions
informed_edu 21:00 Can't wait to see the #ukedchat summary!
Trying to find great examples of innovation in parental engagement
ianpocock 21:00
in learning #ukedchat
Well it was my favourite lesson ever. Great fun for all! @didactylos
kevinmulryne 21:00
#ukedchat
@Totallywired77 @hairysporran Agreed. A supportive challenge to
JamiePortman 21:00 that culture is required. Let's crack on with it! Who is with me?
#ukedchat
Catriona_O 21:00 @colport OK - but it's not just "technique!!" Its so much more than
a techinicist approach.... please agree!! #ukedchat
We set (60) for Eng and maths in two/three sets + TAs.They are
suerobinson2 21:00 fluid and frequently change according to need. Easier to man diff'n
#ukedchat
WWWOOOWWW, Where did that hour go? Thanks for your
colport 21:00
contributions for #ukedchat this evening.
It's 9.00pm. Thank you for contributing to #ukedchat this week.
ukedchat 21:00 Next weeks session is hosted by @ianaddison and the poll will
appear soon
RT @RealLara: @CreativeEdu Make even more sure my enthusiasm
Creativeedu 21:00 for learning and belief in all our children as learners ia clear to all.
#ukedchat
@ianpocock #ukedchat we focus on learner attributes rather than
jodieworld 21:00
knowledge and subject based skills
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passthechablis 21:00 @chrisbest1980 absolutely agree - think I still have some scars from
parent pressure! ;-) just being devils advocate :) #ukedchat
jodieworld 21:01 Thanks all at #ukedchat - good chat!
missbrownsword 21:01 oh good idea, think I'll pop kettle on too! RT @susanbanister: Wow
great #ukedchat tonight. Enjoyed it. Need a cup of tea now.
passthechablis 21:01 @reallara Well said! #ukedchat
@DrAshCasey Difficult to say. When I was in East London, there
albanystreet 21:01 were involved parents but they didn't make a positive difference...
#ukedchat
Grevster73 21:01 @jodieworld it will in the long run favour only the academic kids
unfortunately. Schools will play the new rules. #ukedchat
The archive will be taken at 9.20, and added to http://bit.ly/dAczkX
colport 21:01 shortly after. Doing the summary should be fun for #ukedchat this
week
susanbanister 21:01
Wow great #ukedchat tonight. Enjoyed it. Need a cup of tea now.
Thanks #ukedchat - off to practice keynote address for tmrw -
DrAshCasey 21:01 message = " change outdated practice or be changed by the
demands of others"
RT @colport: Last few minutes for #ukedchat - Can you close the
Dunfordjames 21:01 gap? - yes. Energy, commitment, trust, respect, enthusiasm & know
kids well
Great #ukedchat tonight. Nothing better than trying to put the
bevevans22 21:02 world to rights...Well done @colport (and others) for keeping it
ticking over
Looking for any recent examples of interview questions at Scottish
fraserboyd 21:02 primary schools to help prepare for tomorrow (infants) #edchat
#ukedchat
missbrownsword 21:02 thanks to @colport for hosting tonight :) #ukedchat
RT @NickiA10: RT @ianaddison: quick question, i'm hosting
richardsw16 21:02 #ukedchat nxt week, ? < homework, waste of time or useful
learning opportinities
#ukedchat - so sorry I missed most of tonight. Was at reception
jackieschneider 21:03
expecting to see Gove but he was no show
@bevevans22 @colport agree! great experience, as always.
Catriona_O 21:03
#ukedchat. I look forward to it more & more each week!
@suerobinson2 I want to do something similar - 3 sets targetted,
LeeDonaghy 21:03 kids go to class depending on their weakness in exam practice
#ukedchat
@eyebeams @Dunfordjames @Catriona_O @janwebb21 @Kerileef
colport 21:03 @caroljallen @albanystreet Thanks for great engagement in
#ukedchat and all others
caroljallen 21:04 @susanbanister #ukedchat gin for me!
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@colport Great debate; many of same themes have emerged
filmclubuk 21:04 tonight as at CTG conference (parental support, finding what
engages kids) #ukedchat
@Grevster73 It's precisely the "non academics" who are benefitting
jodieworld 21:04
#ukedchat
nkgsolutions 21:05 Enjoyed reading my first #ukedchat thank you
@jodieworld It sounds like your school is the exception to the
Grevster73 21:06
national pic! What makes it diff do u think? #ukedchat
I'm looking to transform a schools use of ICT, from the bottom up.
alexfinVLE 21:06
Any suggestions? Please RT #ukedchat
RT @caroljallen: @susanbanister #ukedchat gin for me! >> that's
susanbanister 21:06
tomorrow night :)
Thanks @Colport for a great #ukedchat looking forward to
Creativeedu 21:06
@ianaddison as host next week
Kids I teach love new tech and variety. Crazy talk 6, prezi, green
JOHNSAYERS 21:07 screen (pinnacle complicated or iMovie easy) totem pole lessons
#ukedchat
Grevster73 21:07 @jodieworld ah! I'm talking secondary!!!! #ukedchat
esoldaveglasgow 21:07 #ukedchat "child advocates" a person who would speak up for the
interests of the child whose parents do not. But who and who pays?
#ukedchat sorry late with that tweet just found this hashtag 2 mins
JOHNSAYERS 21:08
ago. Passionate teacher!
RT @colport: Whilst you are in the #ukedchat mode/mood,
ukedchat 21:09 @ianaddison is hosting next week, and his poll in now open at
http://bit.ly/cA0cBZ
colport 21:09 Whilst you are in the #ukedchat mode/mood, @ianaddison is

hosting next week, and his poll in now open at http://bit.ly/cA0cBZ
@albanystreet Member of staff must contact likely non-attenders
BobToms100 21:09 of Parents Eves, child may lose sheet/chuck it/forget to tell
#ukedchat
RT @colport: Whilst you are in the #ukedchat mode/mood,
ianaddison 21:10 @ianaddison is hosting next week, and his poll in now open at
http://bit.ly/cA0cBZ
damiendeakes 21:10 RT @alexfinVLE: I'm looking to transform a schools use of ICT, from
the bottom up. Any suggestions? Please RT #ukedchat
@Grevster73 I think the big difference in our school is our
jodieworld 21:11 headteacher to be honest. And primary base so not subject specific!
#ukedchat
Many thanks to lovely folks at @filmclubuk for suggesting the
colport 21:11
#ukedchat topic this evening.
Only just caught #ukedchat been looking at new curric review
dan_bowen 21:11
blogged it here http://danbowen.wordpress.com/
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@LeeDonaghy We are primary sch @ assess and target teach
suerobinson2 21:12 groups according to need in maths Eng Sci but don't set other. Good
luck #ukedchat
@ianpocock @colport - I ran a parent project to build a memorial
jackieschneider 21:12 garden . It brought many dads into school for 1st time ever
#ukedchat
Make sure you know what's in #ResourceCentre this week!
TheHeadsOffice 21:13
http://bit.ly/h5toI6 #ukedchat
@Totallywired77 The learner is the most important - not the most
CliveBuckley 21:14
powerful #ukedchat
RT @jackieschneider: @ianpocock @colport - I ran a parent project
ianpocock 21:14 to build a memorial garden . It brought many dads into school for
1st time ever #ukedchat
My school is getting rid of Frog and going to core:( #ukedchat not
JOHNSAYERS 21:16
enough techie creative staff:( lame reason
@jodieworld I'll have to look into the primary ones...u have raised
Grevster73 21:16
an area I hadn't thought about! #ukedchat
@Grevster73 it's a VERY different ball game to the secondary ones.
jodieworld 21:17 and we are one of only a very few state primaries running it
#ukedchat
JOHNSAYERS 21:18 I sent a poll home and lots of parents were for a twitter feed and a
school hashtag advice, learning aid area #ukedchat
Has anyone run a twitter chat for parents of their students? Did it
ianpocock 21:20
work? #ukedchat
JOHNSAYERS 21:20 #ukedchat parents using it as forum to express their expertise in

areas of learning in the school and to give research triggers.
I take it everyone has seen this? RSA Animate â€“ Changing
CliveBuckley 21:25 Education Paradigms http://bit.ly/9b80ox #ukedchat - if not watch
it!
Grevster73 21:27 #ukedchat if u r interested - i have started a bog - science education

focus - http://andychandler-grevatt.blogspot.com/
#ukedchat go to a carpet shop get the centre roll and pupils say in
JOHNSAYERS 21:28 English read a chapter each and construct a knowledge timeline up
it
#ukedchat and they can do a quick fire story check. A whole book
JOHNSAYERS 21:29 covered in a homework and a lesson! They can make a song out of
it...
JOHNSAYERS 21:29 #ukedchat they can use pictures, decoration and text and can be
used as a revision tool. Great peer learning. Then evaluate it
JOHNSAYERS 21:30 #ukedchat and make a summary figure or object at the top to sum
up story and quick fire questions off it for competition
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Hope #ukedchat was good. Personally I'm only just home from Y11
chris_1974 21:30 to Y12 night. Good showing, which was nice.Strong groups next
year.
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@colport is the host of #ukedchat starting in a moment. Please

colport 20:00 Is this an easy subject for #ukedchat ? Is it down to attitudes to

jodieworld 20:03 #ukedchat and parental involvement needs to improve in deprived

jodieworld 20:03 #ukedchat and parental involvement needs to improve in deprived

filmclubuk 20:04 RT @Creativeedu: #closingthegap highlights for anyone who missed

filmclubuk 20:04 RT @Creativeedu: #closingthegap highlights for anyone who missed

MissSMitch 20:06 RT @colport: I agree - attitudes in other countries are quite

bevevans22 20:10 #ukedchat We are trying to do something about it with a number of

miss_mcinerney 20:11 #ukedchat Maybe it would help to discuss alternative aspirations to

didactylos 20:12 #ukedchat the culture of learning a child may experience in a

GiftedPhoenix 20:15 Here's a creative proposal to engage grammar schools more

sarahjnl 20:17 #ukedchat we have a eisb where working with parents is as

didactylos 20:20 @creativeedu a win win if it worked, as the parents would be

Creativeedu 20:21 @susanbanister the 'deprived' sp sch is mainly EBD, comm

didactylos 20:22 @grevster73 language or means of delivery? A heavily text based

tonycassidy 20:24 @kevinmulryne tension between the liberal model of education

sarahjnl 20:25 #ukedchat parents most accessible as children begin, school

kevinmulryne 20:26 RT @Catriona_O: @tonycassidy I know. But anchoring our practice

MissSMitch 20:30 If education system mimicked a more european style, where

Creativeedu 20:33 @headteacher01 We always went at the pace of the slowest

kevinmulryne 20:39 RT @ParsleyBill: I failed my 11+ and seriously believe it scarred me

janwebb21 20:42 @colport well, my initial thought was vertical streaming/streaming

Creativeedu 20:42 @Catriona_O @tonycassidy - ditto... 3 As and a fail in my mock A

jodieworld 20:49 RT @malcolmbellamy: teachers can aid or destroy confidence..

Totallywired77 20:51 @CliveBuckley "The most powerful element in #education is the

missbrownsword 20:51 some chn in Y6 at my school go on a 'playing for success' course

hairysporran 20:52 @JamiePortman agreed the use interactive board to show

Kerileef 20:55 @colport - absolutely not, it's an opportunity to start a real

jodieworld 20:55 RT @Grevster73: @ianpocock @jodieworld #ukedchat IB = BIGGER

bevevans22 20:56 @colport Build a community, be supportive, have high expectation

bevevans22 20:57 RT @didactylos: @creativeedu you trendy, next you'll be wanting to

colport 21:09 Whilst you are in the #ukedchat mode/mood, @ianaddison is

JOHNSAYERS 21:20 #ukedchat parents using it as forum to express their expertise in

Grevster73 21:27 #ukedchat if u r interested - i have started a bog - science education

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