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Robert Fisk: Obama Administration Has Been Gutless and

Cowardly in Dealing with the Mubarak Regime

The renowned Middle East journalist speaks from Cairo on the historic uprising and how President
Obama has lost an opportunity to back a democratic movement in the Middle East. "One of the blights
of history will now involve a U.S. president who held out his hand to the Islamic world and then
clenched his fist when it fought a dictatorship and demanded democracy," Fisk said.

AMY GOODMAN: By the way, you can follow Sharif’s tweets at democracynow.org, our
senior producer on the ground at Tahrir Square in Cairo, and as well as the blogs and the latest

I want to turn now first, though, to Robert Fisk. The longtime Middle East correspondent of The
Independent newspaper in London has been voted best correspondent by reporters and editors in
Britain for years. He’s the author of a number of books, including The Great War for
Civilisation: The Conquest of the Middle East. Writing from the streets of Cairo, he wrote, "One
of the blights of history will now involve a U.S. president who held out his hand to the Islamic
world and then clenched his fist when it fought a dictatorship and demanded democracy."

We reached Robert Fisk just hours before the broadcast and asked him his reaction to the
unfolding events in Egypt, as well as the U.S. response.

ROBERT FISK: Well, immense courage displayed by those who are demanding the overthrow,
effectively, of Mubarak, oddly matched by the complete gutlessness of the U.S. administration.
In fact, the cowardice of the language coming from Mrs. Clinton in the State Department, the
endless calls for restraint and the endless calls of Mubarak being a friend of America, etc.—
Mubarak himself being a dictator, runs a secret police state, in effect—against these lone
Egyptians who are being filmed by state security, who are being filmed on television around the
world, who are giving their names, identifying themselves as being against the regime, it’s been
an extraordinary example of lost American opportunities, in fact. You know, I’m on the street
with these people. They’re not anti-American. There are no anti—nobody is burning American
flags, though I probably would if I was among them and I was an Egyptian in these
circumstances. They’ve been immensely understanding of the international situation, but of
course immensely betrayed.

What they’re buoyed up with is basically a simple fact. When you throw constant humiliation
and fear and repression and increased education, when you throw off your shackles, as the old
cliché goes, when you say, "I’m not afraid anymore," you can never re-inject a people with fear.
They’re on their feet. They may get defeated temporarily, but they’re still going to be standing
up. And that’s why more and more people are coming to join the protesters.
And now what we’re seeing is that having shown their defiance of the state security police on
Friday of last week in those big battles in Cairo, having now had to fight literally against the
Mubarak people with stones—I mean, literally fight and be wounded—they’re showing that their
courage is real. It’s not just voices on a screen that are going fade back to middle-class homes
later or go back to farming or something. It’s the real thing. And this is something that Mubarak
clearly doesn’t understand. I think the army is beginning to.

The key that I’ve seen over the last few days has been the way in which the army on Friday was
told by Mubarak to clear the square, and the individual tank officers refused. I actually saw them
tearing off their tank helmets, where they were receiving orders on their own military net, and
using their mobile phones. And in many cases, they were phoning home, because they come
from military families. They wanted to know from their fathers what they should do. And, of
course, they were told, "You must not shoot on your fellow citizens." And that, I think, was the
actual moment when the Mubarak regime broke. Or if we look back historically, that’s what
we’ll believe. So I think it is broken, it’s finished, whatever Mr. Mubarak may dream about in his
pantomime world. And I think that was a very critical moment.

Now, of course, the great drama is this. The Americans want the military to control the situation
and get rid of Mubarak, but then are we going to have Mubarak’s vice president? Are we going
to have an Egypt led by the former intelligence officer for Mubarak, a chief negotiator with
Israel, Israel’s favorite Egyptian, running this country, and running the army to run this country?
We’re going to have just another benevolent military dictator running another army which runs
another country in the Arab world, which is basically what we’ve had all along. So, the
protesters, who tend to be about 24 hours behind in working this sort of thing out—they’re awful
tired, and they’re trying to stay alive and so on—they’re going to have to struggle hard to make
sure that the political future belongs in their hands and not in another bunch of generals who
grew up under Mubarak and got tired of his rule. Because the army is against Mubarak, which I
think it pretty much is now, does not mean that the army is going to support wonderful, free,
open elections in Egypt. It will be nice to think so, but I can’t think of an army that’s ever
actually done that in history, certainly not in Egypt. So I think that these are the questions that are
going to come up.

And it’s been interesting watching the behavior. I mean, I’m right up right next to the tanks and,
you know, where stones are falling and so on. Yesterday, for example, a young soldier was
standing in tears as the stones went in both directions past him. And he was obviously torn apart
by what he should do between his duty as a soldier and his duty as an Egyptian. And in the end,
he jumped down from the tank, right in front of me, crying and throwing his arms around one of
the protesters. And that—you know, that was a very significant moment, I thought, in this. You
know, if big history is made on the streets, this was a little tiny microcosm of what was actually
going over. The army are against Mubarak. I think that’s what’s going to come across in the next
24 hours.
AMY GOODMAN: That was Robert Fisk, the longtime Middle East correspondent of The
Independent newspaper in London. He’s based in Beirut, but of course speaking to us from the
streets of Cairo.