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02-17-2011, 10:54 PM
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Speedway DD just keeps getting worse WTF!
Thought mine (Black #003) was OK until a read another post about running the chrono 20 times and guess
what!
Started out OK but gradually stopped resetting at 12:00 moving forward 1 second, then 3 seconds off and
now it's at 4 seconds off center.
If this is one of Invicta's "flagship" models it should really be called "FLAGS**T"
I'm really getting tired of sending Invicta's back and I'm done with this brand!
They really need to set their priorities and get their QC together now!
It's the watch nuts like us that "try" to be loyal but how many chances do they get!
Over and over, issues and issues ... enough already INVICTA!
UPDATE:
It's just keeps getting worse ... seems everytime I run the chrono it resets later, now at 22
secs!
Also when I try to manually wind the watch I hear a clicking sound
UPDATE 2:
Just wanted to clear the "20 times" thing up.
I did not do it 20 times in a row over and over ... just over a period of approx 1 hour.
Would activate it, let it run for 15 - 45 secs and then reset. .. wait a little while then do it again.I did not
"torture" test the watch!
I own 28 Invicta watches and love their value and style however I expect a lot more when I invest my hard
earned money in what I consider an expensive watch. I went through the last DD debacle and would have
though Invicta would have been extra careful this time!
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02-17-2011, 10:59 PM
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The flood gates are starting to open.

Madman,
I'm sorry to hear about Speedway DD issue.
That sucks.
Did you happen to take pics before you packed it up for return?
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02-17-2011, 11:03 PM
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Really? Nice avatar...
02-17-2011, 11:03 PM
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Damn I really sorry to hear about the problems! ya know, I've been gone for a while and I hoped that
during my absence, Invicta would have gotten their **** together with regards to their quality and their
QC! It's starting to look like nothing has changed. I hope it's not wide spread or systemic because we'd be
back to where we wee a few years ago when they had more problems that anyone could count! Sorry to
hear this but i hope things work out for you!
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02-17-2011, 11:05 PM
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You would think after the problems with the original all the bugs would have been corrected.
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02-17-2011, 11:09 PM
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Sorry to hear about the issues. So far mine has passed all of the tests.
02-17-2011, 11:09 PM
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surprised to see quite the number of defective ones after the first debacle. Mine is so far perfect. sorry to
hear of your troubles. I completely understand that you're done with Invicta though. Not sure how this can
be justified over and over again.
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02-17-2011, 11:10 PM
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After having similar frustration with Invicta, I took a hiatus from purchasing
from them for what is about two years now. It was not a bad thing as I
discovered a few things during that time. One, I discovered brands like NFW,
Android and even Stuhrling and found that their CS was like no other (NFW
wins, hands down, in the QC and CS department).
Also, I found that I truly loved the Invictas that I already had - Reserve models
from 2003 - 2007. In fact, I'm hunting down Invicta Reserves from that era
right now.
Invicta is at its consistent best in the $200 - $400 price point (my opinion);
even today. But, I would not purchase from them ever again until they clean up
issues like this. When they market relatively small batches of a specific "high
end" Invicta watch (as in this case), the QC should be beyond reproach.
I don't bash the brand itself because I honestly have enjoyed some truly
awesome Invicta works-of-art, at a relatively low cost and tremendous value.
But, I do cringe at seeing reports of chrono hands not lining-up, or of bezels not
lining up, etc, when it's a highly touted Invicta watch such as this. Invicta has
an incredible impact in the watch industry; I just want them to live up to their
potential. When I wear one of their creations, I'm not just wearing something I
purchased at a great value, I'm also wearing a certain legacy and reputation
that can only truly be earned and established by Invicta itself, and I hate it
when they fall short.
I hope it gets better. In the end, you can send it back to Invicta for a warranty
repair and get to wear that awesome watch in the future.
02-17-2011, 11:11 PM
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Many wondered why these had stopped being presented when there were still hundreds left and maybe
we're starting to see why now. I know they were only presented once or twice after the bad reset on air
with the chrono. I was really hoping that was an isolated incident and it still seems like the good are
outweighing the bad but this is still very troubling.
02-17-2011, 11:12 PM
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First off let me say, sorry to hear of your Speedway problem. However, how often do you use the
stopwatch functions 20 times in a row like that ? Someone tells you to run your chrono 20 times in a row
to see if it breaks and then when it does your mad ? I recommend that you drop it 20 times on the counter
to test its shock resistance properties. If your using your stopwatch that often buy a cheap digital. Spare
us your profanity on this website.
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Bummer!
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02-17-2011, 11:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Leed24

stopwatch functions 20 times in a row like that ? Someone tells you to run your chrono 20 times in
a row to see if it breaks and then when it does your mad ? I recommend that you drop it 20 times
on the counter to test its shock resistance properties. If your using your stopwatch that often buy a
cheap digital. Spare us your profanity on this website.
Thank you, Leed24, for saying exactly what I was thinking...

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02-17-2011, 11:17 PM
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while I agree that nobody uses it in that way, I also have to say that for a $800 watch, I'd expect to run
the chrono 30 times in a row and reset to zero every time. Also agree with the profanity. I always have to
bite my tongue.
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02-17-2011, 11:20 PM
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I just hope whoever told these people to keep pushing buttons 20 times in a row knows what
they are doing ,I mean geez I did not do that to mine . It should be tested absolutely but I hope
they are not over doing it is all Im saying.
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02-17-2011, 11:20 PM
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Either send it back for a refund, or and exchange.. Sounds like you've got a defective one, and since the
module was put onto the movement by DD, I'm wondering about how they were shipped to Invicta from
their factory to be placed into the watches...Not sure where this went wrong, but I would not hesitate to
exchange...
Have had mine 24 hours and set to atomic clock and so far it's perfect, not even 1 second off.. Ran the
Chrono about an hour, reset perfectly..
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02-17-2011, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mdhorner

while I agree that nobody uses it in that way, I also have to say that for a $800 watch, I'd expect
to run the chrono 30 times in a row and reset to zero every time. Also agree with the profanity. I
always have to bite my tongue.
Although I agree with the expensive $800 comment, I really don't believe that we watch collectors buy
these watches to use as an industrial stop watch. Most buy because they might occasionally time
something. Most of us buy chronographs because we like the look of the watch. The people on this site
have become obsessed with purposefully trying to break this watch, and it is ridiculous.
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I admit 20 times is a bit excessive but it doesn't sound like it was ok for 20 and then went bad. Sounds like
it was gradually going off after just a few uses and if the movement can't be consistent after that then
there definitely is an issue somewhere. Also, who's to say that just because it's all done in a row that many
times means it going off was only due to that. It may just start going off center upon reset after some use
even if it is stretched over time so it is almost better to make sure it can handle it while it is still within the
looking over process. Would suck to have it go bad 32 days after you get it and the return policy is up and
then be out a new watch for months while it gets serviced.
02-17-2011, 11:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by madman146@gmail.com

Thought mine (Black #003) was OK until a read another post about running the chrono 20 times
and guess what!
Started out OK but gradually stopped resetting at 12:00 moving forward 1 second, then 3 seconds
off and now it's at 4 seconds off center.
If this is one of Invicta's "flagship" models it should really be called "FLAGSHIT"
I'm really getting tired of sending Invicta's back and I'm done with this brand!
They really need to set their priorities and get their QC together now!
It's the watch nuts like us that "try" to be loyal but how many chances do they get!
Over and over, issues and issues ... enough already INVICTA!
UPDATE:
It's just keeps getting worse ... seems everytime I run the chrono it resets later, now at
22 secs!
Also when I try to manually wind the watch I hear a clicking sound
Let's see the pics.

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02-17-2011, 11:28 PM
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Although I agree with the expensive $800 comment, I really don't believe that we watch collectors
buy these watches to use as an industrial stop watch. Most buy because they might occasionally
time something. Most of us buy chronographs because we like the look of the watch. The people
on this site have become obsessed with purposefully trying to break this watch, and it is
ridiculous.
I see what you're saying. I never use the chrono, but I want to know that if I ever decide to, it'll work like
it is supposed to. Also, it's garbage if one day I'll try to sell it and find out about the issue. I guess people
are very cautious now with these high end invictas and test/inspect every little aspect of it and I can't
blame them. So far my personal experience has been mostly pleasant (knock on wood).
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02-17-2011, 11:29 PM
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Are you actually serious ??!! An $800 watch, and if you use its functions a couple times in a row that
breaks it .... and you think this is just fine?? I'm an engineer and I often actually use my stopwatch
function repeatedly, and I fully expect a "quality" watch to be able to do that without breaking.
Did anyone else see the shop on-air presentation where (I forgot who the presenter was) but she was
saying that one of the unique features of this watch is the way it "snaps back when you reset the
chrono" ... and the camera was zoomed in when she pressed the reset, and the second hand snapped back
to the '1' position .... nobody said anything, but the sample was obviously not working properly.
Seems like there are being an awful lot of these being reported.
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You know what, if I am wrong I am wrong. I will take the heat. There just seems like something logically
wrong with purposefully trying to break something that in my opinion really was not designed for heavy
use like that.
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Are you actually serious ??!! An $800 watch, and if you use its functions a couple times in a row
that breaks it .... and you think this is just fine?? I'm an engineer and I often actually use my
stopwatch function repeatedly, and I fully expect a "quality" watch to be able to do that without
breaking.
Did anyone else see the shop on-air presentation where (I forgot who the presenter was) but she
was saying that one of the unique features of this watch is the way it "snaps back when you reset
the chrono" ... and the camera was zoomed in when she pressed the reset, and the second hand
snapped back to the '1' position .... nobody said anything, but the sample was obviously not
working properly.
You know what Larry, I really don't care what your profession is. What I am really surprised about is that it
took you so long to get your paddle out and stir the pot. It is always a small handful that we can count on
to be unappointed detectives for us all, and I know that I can always count on you to brighten my day.
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02-17-2011, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmyv

Many wondered why these had stopped being presented when there were still hundreds left and
maybe we're starting to see why now. I know they were only presented once or twice after the bad
reset on air with the chrono. I was really hoping that was an isolated incident and it still seems like
the good are outweighing the bad but this is still very troubling.
I inquired about that Jimmy because I did not see it and the girl who
brings the watches out dropped it on the floor so the watch was pulled
after that. These watches cannot take a big fall it will throw them off
and that was why I am on the shipping so much.
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A top notch movement and near flagship product should not fail under such conditions... I would pursue a
refund. Maybe an exchange for a different one will fare better. good Luck
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Wow, I love the look but have no confidence in what Invicta is selling currently.
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I am sure that some received problem watches. That stated, I can only speak for myself. I got
#52/250 today, and everything checks out; even checked the caseback screws- perfectly tight.
Chrono seems to work great, and the movement is smooth. IMO, the watch feels like quality.
Nicely substantial. I am testing the accuracy, and over 7 hours is running 2-3 sec fast. While
that's not the +- 1 sec, I'll take 10 sec in 24 hrs. I'll hope for some emprovement over time.
BTW, I find the CF very impressive looking.
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You know what Larry, I really don't care what your profession is. What I am really
surprised is that it took you so long to get your paddle out and stir the pot. It is always
a small handful that we can count on to be unappointed detectives for us all, and I
know that I can always count on you to brighten my day.
LMAO, that i definitely agree on!

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02-17-2011, 11:39 PM
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There are lots of occasions where a chronograph may be used repeatedly, at the race track, in
the lab ... many scenarios ..... that is not "purposefully trying to break it" .... that's just using
it. If a watch, especially a very expensive watch, is going to include a chronograph function
then it should be able to be used. If repeated use of the chrono function produces a high risk of
breaking the watch, then there should be a warning notice.
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I just hope whoever told these people to keep pushing buttons 20 times in a
row knows what they are doing ,I mean geez I did not do that to mine . It
should be tested absolutely but I hope they are not over doing it is all Im
saying.
Doesn't Invicta QC department run some kind of test like this .... especially if they are hand
assembled ....
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Are you actually serious ??!! An $800 watch, and if you use its functions a couple times
in a row that breaks it .... and you think this is just fine?? I'm an engineer and I often
actually use my stopwatch function repeatedly, and I fully expect a "quality" watch to
be able to do that without breaking.
Did anyone else see the shop on-air presentation where (I forgot who the presenter
was) but she was saying that one of the unique features of this watch is the way it
"snaps back when you reset the chrono" ... and the camera was zoomed in when she
pressed the reset, and the second hand snapped back to the '1' position .... nobody said
anything, but the sample was obviously not working properly.
Larry I am not saying that there is not a problem with these it is

too early yet but everyone keeps bringing up that night on TV and
the girl dropped the watch on the floor prior to airing that night.
The watch was operating fine before that and as for you saying a
couple of times 20 is borderline abuse and it is above normal

operation so I just hope whoever advised the members to do this
knows what they are talking about.
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LMAO, that i definitely agree on!
Hahahah .... yeah, I'm LMAO also .... it was so predictable.

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Thanks for that Nick .... I didn't know that watch had just been dropped on the floor.
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Doesn't Invicta QC department run some kind of test like this .... especially if they are
hand assembled ....
Jason I am sure it is checked and as I have said a million times Invicta would not
send out a broken product that I am sure of. I am not sure what is transpiring from
the time it leaves them until it gets to us their in lies the problem I would guess.
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I inquired about that Jimmy because I did not see it and
the girl who brings the watches out dropped it on the
floor so the watch was pulled after that. These watches
cannot take a big fall it will throw them off and that was
why I am on the shipping so much.
And that's why I didn't really bring it up when I first saw it because the other ones all looked
fine when I saw them on air and I hoped it was a one time thing but wanted to point it out
when others started reporting issues. I know we've seen a lot more good than bad but like I
said the bad ones are still troubling ya know.
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im really sorry to hear your having the problem with that watch and i can understand you being
upset I have had good luck myself with the brand I only have three and one is a pro diver
43mm sappire crystal sw200 engine and i love it
02-17-2011, 11:48 PM
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Thanks for that Nick .... I didn't know that watch had just been dropped on the floor.
No one did Larry until I asked because I did miss that show but after reading about
it here I asked and was told what had happened. If the girl would of told them
before the show they would of pulled the watch and checked it. After that happened
she told them, Too late by then however .
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Jason I am sure it is checked and as I have said a million times Invicta would
not send out a broken product that I am sure of. I am not sure what is
transpiring from the time it leaves them until it gets to us their in lies the
problem I would guess.
im sure they do test them...have about 30 invictas never had a problem with any of them
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Sorry to hear that..I was seriously considering acquiring this

model in the near future..I think I am gonna wait a little longer to
see the ratio of good to bad reviews on this model..I seriously
hope this isolated incident does not become contagious with
other geeks DD Speedway models..
I would send it back ASAP

I hope your exchange fairs better
Good Luck
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Well what can ya do i would send it back and forget about it..
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Interesting observation going on here am I lost here or did Invicta build these movements?
Hmmmmmm....I dont recall Invicta making the DD movement but maybe I am so lost in this
hobby that I have no clue as too what I am talking about.
Geez send the damn thing back, and move on!
Oh I am sorry that would be the responsible thing to do, my bad I forgot this is the I am the
poor victim section and I sure be more sympathetic to you situation.
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Well what can ya do i would send it back and forget about it..
+1, problem solved.
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Really?
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No one did Larry until I asked because I did miss that show but after reading
about it here I asked and was told what had happened. If the girl would of
told them before the show they would of pulled the watch and checked it.
After that happened she told them, Too late by then however .
Who gave out this information? And you believe this explanation?
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Being the man is pretty damn connected....bet your ass the explaination is credible!
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The person who told me would never lie to me , and if you knew me you would know
I do not lie either.
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It would seem to me if you constantly reset an automatic chronograph with that harsh snap
back feature over and over again, the possibility of the hands becoming loose on the shaft could
potentially happen.
I wouldn't do it more than 5 continuous times on any automatic chronograph.
20 or more times seems borderline reckless...
You might as well start your car in the morning and rev the engine 20 times back to back on a
cold day...IMO
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can't we all just get along? lol
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Wow....Still waiting for mine to ship....Its crazy do I keep the watch coming or switch into
something else..... Seems like its a crap shoot with this DD......
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RipitRon

Being the man is pretty damn connected....bet your ass the explaination is credible!
I asked Jim a couple of months ago why he was tapping an sw200 pro diver on the desk
because the rotor was frozen during the presentation. He said "because it was dropped twice on
a the concrete floor". Coincidence or the standard excuse? I have heard this twice now, makes
you wonder.
Then again, maybe they drop stuff all the time.
http://www.watchgeeks.net/showthread.php?t=129194
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Originally Posted by Wild Bill

I asked Jim a couple of months ago why he was tapping an sw200 pro diver on the desk
because the rotor was frozen during the presentation. He said "because it was dropped
twice on a the concrete floor". Coincidence or the standard excuse? I have heard this
twice now, makes you wonder.
Then again, maybe they drop stuff all the time.
Why would it make you wonder?
Have you never dropped anything? Unless I am there and seen it with my own two eye's why
would I second guess what happened?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Larrycod

Wow....Still waiting for mine to ship....Its crazy do I keep the watch coming or switch
into something else..... Seems like its a crap shoot with this DD......
I wonder if all these people doing the snap chrono reset over and over again are doing the
same thing at watch shops when they are checking out a potential purchase...
Or is this just an Invicta thing to see how quick someone can screw it up...
Just curious...
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Could all of the people that say that 20 times is abuse please give a number that you would
deem reasonable?
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madman... you sure had some rough luck, especially with alignment issues:
10/6: http://watchgeeks.net/showthread.php...60#post1983760
6/11: http://watchgeeks.net/showthread.php?t=111015
http://watchgeeks.net/showthread.php...79#post1834279
....wishing you more luck in the future.

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Why would it make you wonder?
Have you never dropped anything? Unless I am there and seen it with my own two
eye's why would I second guess what happened?
A good point. Like dogs really do not eat homework. Then again, maybe they do. Have not had
a dog for 20 years.
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Okay, this is just a theoretical question ..... would there be a difference between resetting the
chrono five times in a short span vs. resetting the chrono once a day for five days? If a problem
is going to occur after X number of resets, does it matter if they are close together or spread
out over days? It seems like in either case the amount of stress induced is going to be the
same?
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Okay, this is just a theoretical question ..... would there be a difference between
resetting the chrono five times in a short span vs. resetting the chrono once a day for
five days? If a problem is going to occur after X number of resets, does it matter if they
are close together or spread out over days? It seems like in either case the amount of
stress induced is going to be the same?
Being an engineer you know that isnt the case at all. Continual movement and stress back to
back is more stressful then a spanned out scenario. Come on now that was engineering 101,
and you know that!
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A Ferrari going from 0 to 100mph to 0 in 10 seconds can be done easily but do it 20 times in a
row and it will break.
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A good point. Like dogs really do not eat homework. Then again, maybe they do. Have
not had a dog for 20 years.
Funny you say that because less then a year ago my Bullmastiff Khan ate $80.00 and my
drawing that I had laid out for a presentation I had to do.
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EXCELLENT POST RIP!!!
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Larry, Don't pre-judge yours based on a few posts hear.. When I first got mine, I wasn't sure
how I liked it, but the more I look at it that black carbon fiber dial and the white and silver
markers and chapter rings are amazing, and it's the most accurate watch I've ever owned so
far... Over 24 hours it's perfect against the atomic clock, not one second off..
I'm starting to love this watch!!!

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Being an engineer you know that isnt the case at all. Continual movement and stress
back to back is more stressful then a spanned out scenario. Come on now that was
engineering 101, and you know that!
My field is electronics, not this mechanical stuff. But it seems like if you're letting the chrono
run for at least like 15 to 20 seconds, and then resetting ... it's not "continual" .... if you do that
5 times it would seem like the cummulative stress would be the same (or at least very similar
to) if the five resets were more spread out in time?
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My field is electronics, not this mechanical stuff. But it seems like if you're letting the
chrono run for at least like 15 to 20 seconds, and then resetting ... it's not
"continual" .... if you do that 5 times it would seem like the cummulative stress would
be the same (or at least very similar to) if the five resets were more spread out in time?
Think of like hitting the motor starter on a 25 hp motor run it for 5 seconds and shutting it
down and doing it again, and again, and again. The thermal overloads are going to get hot and
trip the breaker. Same principle applies here.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nismo

madman... you sure had some rough luck, especially with alignment issues:
10/6: http://watchgeeks.net/showthread.php...60#post1983760
http://watchgeeks.net/showthread.php...79#post1834279
....wishing you more luck in the future.
Isnt that interesting, if anything should be question it would be this particular Person. I mean
what are the odds?
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Okay, this is just a theoretical question ..... would there be a difference between
resetting the chrono five times in a short span vs. resetting the chrono once a day for
five days? If a problem is going to occur after X number of resets, does it matter if they
are close together or spread out over days? It seems like in either case the amount of
stress induced is going to be the same?
I understand your point.
But do you by a new sports car and run out and drive it 175 mph without giving it a chance to
get broken in first?
We are not talking about a digital watch here BTW...
We are talking about a fine movement.
Who said it was okay to reset this type of movement 20 consecutive times.
It just sounds really odd to me...
Did it reset the first 10 times okay and someone wanted to keep going to 20.
I would think continued resetting would have to generate heat or some unnecessary stress
somewhere in that movement or the hands...IMO...
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Stress will kill just about anything granted..but what kind of

Tests does Invicta put these timepieces through to insure
accuracy and longevity of the movement within..Drop
tests...pressure tests..movement functionality tests to simulate
the normal everyday abuse that a chrono will go through over its
lifetime..How much testing does a 1K watch buy these days vs.
say a 10K Rolex Daytona...granted apples to oranges comparison
since Rolex builds all their movements in house..
Jon
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Originally Posted by ky
But do you by a new sports car and run out and drive it 175 mph without giving it a
chance to get broken in first?
I would think continued resetting would have to generate heat or some unnecessary
stress somewhere in that movement or the hands...IMO...
That was my point as well and who suggested they do this ???
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Maybe Ron, but still seems like the principles are a little bit different though. It just seems like
the watch "should" be designed to stand up to this. I think it would be nice to see a statement
from DD about "acceptable chronograph use guidlines".
Now I'm shutting off the computer to go watch Avi .... um, I mean watch Xoskeleton show.
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Maybe Ron, but still seems like the principles are a little bit different though. It just
seems like the watch "should" be designed to stand up to this. I think it would be nice
to see a statement from DD about "acceptable chronograph use guidlines".
You very well could be right, and maybe this particular situation is like winding the watch
backwards, or adjusting the time during the off limit hours? I personally dont by Automatic
chrono's a little too much trouble IMO, but if I did I sure as hell wouldnt run the thing 10,15 or
20 times in a row. Anything Mechanical right out of the box should never be abused, and in my
expert opinion this practice should never be done without consulting the MFG!
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Would one of the mods please do your job and lock this down! I can't be the only one who is
tired of reading these posts by fellow enthusiasts who constantly beat up on the OP when the
OP has something less than complimentary to post. I thought this for was designed to freely
communicate about watches and our watch related experiences? I guess that only applies to
the "moral majority". Yeah, you know who you are..........
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I guess you can break anything if ya screw with it long

enough..I'm just curious as to how much testing these DD
Speedways go through before they are put out on the
market..Invicta's assembly team at the factory doesn't just case
up the movement and send it on it's mary way..How many days of
testing do these movements undergo before they leave the
factory in Switzerland.. Granted these movements are very
complex with alot of parts to them...
Jon
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Originally Posted by azwatchgeek

Would one of the mods please do your job and lock this down! I can't be the only one
who is tired of reading these posts by fellow enthusiasts who constantly beat up on the
OP when the OP has something less than complimentary to post. I thought this for was
designed to freely communicate about watches and our watch related experiences? I
guess that only applies to the "moral majority". Yeah, you know who you are..........
DONT READ!
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Easy Joe , no reason to lock it down and I am doing my job . If

I close it you then have people that say I am protecting
Invicta.
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Quote:

I hope the OP is not taking it personal...
I'm just questioning the tactic used to test a seemingly functional watch...IMHO
I'm not trying to be disrespectful to anyone today at least...

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That really suks, maybe the folks at invicta will see these posts and fixe the problems ?? seems
to be a real problem.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jwin66

I guess you can break anything if ya screw with it long
enough..I'm just curious as to how much testing these DD
Speedways go through before they are put out on the
market..Invicta's assembly team at the factory doesn't just
case up the movement and send it on it's mary way..How
many days of testing do these movements undergo before
they leave the factory in Switzerland.. Granted these
movements are very complex with alot of parts to them...
Jon
I am sure they are tested to ensure that the movement functions properly after casing. I would
imagine that DD was in charge to ensure that the movement was functioning properly and
tested. I highly doubt that the movement was tested 20 times back to back like some have
found to be the testing method.
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Point taken..Like I said if ya beat anything to death even a

Rolex..eventually its gonna break..
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DONT READ!
Don't hate.
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Originally Posted by harlan.mcDonald@gmail.com

Could all of the people that say that 20 times is abuse please give a number that you
would deem reasonable?
Anyone?
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I aint hating I am exploiting the obvious!

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Anyone?
Call Invicta!!!
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Easy Joe , no reason to lock it down and I am doing my
job . If I close it you then have people that say I am
protecting Invicta.
Then maybe we should try and respect what the OP is saying. As I read through these posts I
cannot help but wonder why anyone that isn't "towing the line" would want to post anything at
all? I'm just saying to cut these guys some slack sometimes.
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Anyone?
Harlan when I buy a watch no matter what brand , I first check

the whole watch and look for any scratches or dents . Next I will
advance the time and check that the date changes correctly and
if there is a day and so on. I then if it has a chrono start it let it
run for 30 seconds stop and reset. I will then start the chrono
again run it for a minute stop and reset it. If there are no issues it
has passed my inspection and it is a keeper. I am well over 400
watches in total and no problems with any after my test.
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Quote:

Could all of the people that say that 20 times is abuse please give a number that you
would deem reasonable?
Quote:

Anyone?
A better question should be if the chrono reset works up to five times continuously, why keep
going to 20?
Stress is stress...
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I have no way of knowing what the actual mean-time-to-failure would

be in an automatic chronograph movement, but sheer logic tells me
that operating one a mere 20 times in succession should have no
impact on it. These are precision instruments, not Veg-A-Matics. I
don't own a watch with the Dubois Depraz 2021 chronograph module,
but nonetheless wanted to run a test of my own. I chose my Philip

Watch Sunray chronograph powered by the venerable Valjoux 7750 as
it is one of the older ones I own, which should make it more
susceptible to slippage. I operated the chronograph function in
continuous succession from 0 to 15 seconds followed by an immediate
reset for 120 cycles with no adverse effect. The only reason I stopped
was out of boredom and tired fingers. IMHO based on the unavoidable
logic that these things have to be engineered to operate more than
occasionally, there is something amiss with those that are slipping.
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Harlan when I buy a watch no matter what brand , I first
check the whole watch and look for any scratches or
dents . Next I will advance the time and check that the
date changes correctly and if there is a day and so on. I
then if it has a chrono start it let it run for 30 seconds stop
and reset. I will then start the chrono again run it for a
minute stop and reset it. If there are no issues it has
passed my inspection and it is a keeper. I am well over 400

watches in total and no problems with any after my test.
Your answer is TWO Times?

Thank you.
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Stop watch?
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First off let me say, sorry to hear of your Speedway problem. However, how often do
you use the stopwatch functions 20 times in a row like that ? Someone tells you to run
your chrono 20 times in a row to see if it breaks and then when it does your mad ? I
recommend that you drop it 20 times on the counter to test its shock resistance
properties. If your using your stopwatch that often buy a cheap digital. Spare us your
profanity on this website.
Im sorry but I have to disagree,,, I use my 7750 every night to see how much sleep I actually
got I've never had a problem with it,you can defend all you want, it should work and it does
not, I love Invicta and own many, but they used this movement not because its rare but
because they could do it less expensive,Im still going with the reserve pro diver meteorite. Its
on the way.Eal is a very good business man its all about dollars.They make some very nice
watches I just don't think this is one of them
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read post 84 ...Brad ...I think nailed it

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Thanks Jason.
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I use my Chrono's on my lesser priced Invictas and they always work perfectly. Every Invicta I
have is a "work of art" in it's price range. So do my Renatos and other brands. They work when
I push the pusher and I don't give it much thought. When they get out of line I readjust them
and off I go.
I expect these brands to work and they do and that's why I buy Them.
If I purchased a much higher priced version of movement for higher price I'd expect it to work
at least as good as the lesser ones do. Maybe I'm wrong. And if I heard there were some issues
with the model, I'd "TEST" it too before I decided to keep it.
I wouldn't consider it "trying to break it" on purpose, I'd just want to be sure, thats all.
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My Invicta Leviathan 7750 just did 20 cycles in a row with no problems. That's why Horologists
agree that the Invicta Leviathan is the greatest time telling instrument ever devised as well as
the finest watch...in the world.
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Im sorry but I have to disagree,,, I use my 7750 every night to see how much sleep I
actually got I've never had a problem with it,you can defend all you want, it should
work and it does not, I love Invicta and own many, but they used this movement not
because its rare but because they could do it less expensive,Im still going with the
reserve pro diver meteorite. Its on the way.Eal is a very good business man its all about
dollars.They make some very nice watches I just don't think this is one of them
Good for you, I am glad it works out for you. Now on a nightly basis do you start it and stop it
2O times in a row or just the one time ? Do you have some sort of insider info we need to know
about. How do you know that Invicta uses the DD movement "because they could do it less
expensive" ? We agree to disagree. I still do not see the logic in starting and stopping this
movement 20 times in a row to see if it breaks.
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Originally Posted by steiner

Maybe I'm wrong. And if I heard there were some issues with the model, I'd "TEST" it
too before I decided to keep it.
I wouldn't consider it "trying to break it" on purpose, I'd just want to be sure, thats all.
I have to agree, I would also TEST it vigorously if there were known problems in the past.
And since so many are using Automobile Analogies, just like buying a Toyota, I would definitely
TEST those brakes!
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Sounds like brad nailed it to me and w/a old model VJ7750.
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Originally Posted by DenverBuff

REMOVED BY MODERATOR .
So the movement having issues with the reset is actually Invicta? I think Charles Barkley said it
once " I maybe wrong, but I doubt it"
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Originally Posted by flyback

i have no way of knowing what the actual mean-time-to-failure
would be in an automatic chronograph movement, but sheer
logic tells me that operating one a mere 20 times in succession
should have no impact on it. These are precision instruments,
not veg-a-matics. I don't own a watch with the dubois depraz
2021 chronograph module, but nonetheless wanted to run a test
of my own. I chose my philip watch sunray chronograph
powered by the venerable valjoux 7750 as it is one of the older
ones i own, which should make it more susceptible to slippage. i
operated the chronograph function in continuous succession
from 0 to 15 seconds followed by an immediate reset for 120
cycles with no adverse effect. the only reason i stopped was out
of boredom and tired fingers. Imho based on the unavoidable
logic that these things have to be engineered to operate more
than occasionally, there is something amiss with those that are
slipping.
what brad said
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So the movement having issues with the reset is actually Invicta? I think Charles
Barkley said it once " I maybe wrong, but I doubt it"
Without question. D-D is used by several high-end watchmakers. Omega included. They don't
fail en masse like they do here. As Brad said above, they are precision instruments. If you
throw a Maserati engine in a Prius . . . you can't blame the engine if it doesn't run.
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Without question. D-D is used by several high-end watchmakers. Omega included. They
don't fail en masse like they do here. As Brad said above, they are precision
instruments. If you throw a Maserati engine in a Prius . . . you can't blame the engine if
it doesn't run.
Stupid Analogy!
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Ripit, I'd be interested to see your comments if this were a Renato being discussed. It seems to
me that testing the chrono function on a very expensive watch a mere 20 times is not abuse,
simply a function test. This is another Invicta rushed through production without being fully
tested....if it were mine it would be sent back for a full refund. I feel for those of you who
purchased one. Good Luck
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Stupid Analogy!
Wow, as usual you resort to insults which usually gets threads you're involved in closed. You're
so predictable man. I remember that Renato thread which was about peoples' first Renato and
you were in there multiple times just trashing Renato because you had one bad watch from
them but god forbid someone say something bad about an Invicta.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by madman146@gmail.com

Thought mine (Black #003) was OK until a read another post about running the chrono
20 times and guess what!
Started out OK but gradually stopped resetting at 12:00 moving forward 1 second, then
3 seconds off and now it's at 4 seconds off center.
So, you're saying this watch was working perfectly until you decided to start and reset the
chronograph 20 times in quick succession. Why on earth would you do that? You read
someone else broke their watch by doing this very thing and decided it sounded like a good
idea? I agree that a watch of this caliber should function flawlessly but how can that hand
snapping back to zero over and over be considered anything but abuse? This should be
common sense! There is no way I would ever subject one of my watches to that!
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Ripit, I'd be interested to see your comments if this were a Renato being discussed. It
seems to me that testing the chrono function on a very expensive watch a mere 20
times is not abuse, simply a function test. This is another Invicta rushed through
production without being fully tested....if it were mine it would be sent back for a full
refund. I feel for those of you who purchased one. Good Luck
And that is what should happen, return it and move on. But dont make 4 different post about 4
different watches that all have the same problem and expect anyone to truly believe you. Come
on really do you think this particular individual has gotten 4 watches in a row that have all done
the exact same thing?
As far as Renato goes......I would say the same damn thing, but then again I cant remember
the last time they used a high end movement.
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Wow, as usual you resort to insults which usually gets threads you're involved in closed.
You're so predictable man. I remember that Renato thread which was about peoples'
first Renato and you were in there multiple times just trashing Renato because you had
one bad watch from them but god forbid someone say something bad about an Invicta.
Well let me clarify, I was not calling him Stupid I was actually referencing his Analogy.
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And that is what should happen, return it and move on. But dont make 4 different post
about 4 different watches that all have the same problem and expect anyone to truly
believe you. Come on really do you think this particular individual has gotten 4 watches
in a row that have all done the exact same thing?
As far as Renato goes......I would say the same damn thing, but then again I cant
remember the last time they used a high end movement.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Hopefully it'll all work out and Invicta will do the right
thing. Good luck to you all.....
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Originally Posted by bosco7558

Ripit, I'd be interested to see your comments if this were a Renato being discussed. It
seems to me that testing the chrono function on a very expensive watch a mere 20
times is not abuse, simply a function test. This is another Invicta rushed through
production without being fully tested....if it were mine it would be sent back for a full
refund. I feel for those of you who purchased one. Good Luck
There is only 3 defective that we know of that does not add up to Invicta rushing
them through production. Facts Ed please .

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Originally Posted by Flyback

I have no way of knowing what the actual mean-time-to-failure
not Veg-A-Matics. I don't own a watch with the Dubois Depraz
of my own. I chose my Philip Watch Sunray chronograph
powered by the venerable Valjoux 7750 as it is one of the older
ones I own, which should make it more susceptible to slippage. I
operated the chronograph function in continuous succession from
0 to 15 seconds followed by an immediate reset for 120 cycles
with no adverse effect. The only reason I stopped was out of
boredom and tired fingers. IMHO based on the unavoidable logic
that these things have to be engineered to operate more than
occasionally, there is something amiss with those that are

slipping.
Supposedly the 7750 is a heavy duty movement and is apperently built like a tank.
What you've done is probably fine for any 7750.
I don't necessarily think this applies to the DD.
I don't have a another brand with a DD movement to compare to.
Several geeks here do.
I wonder if they have tried up to 20 continuous resets with their other brand's DD movements
without any issues.
Just curious...
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Originally Posted by watchyourtimeco

So, you're saying this watch was working perfectly until you decided to start and
reset the chronograph 20 times in quick succession. Why on earth would you do
that? You read someone else broke their watch by doing this very thing and decided it
sounded like a good idea? I agree that a watch of this caliber should function flawlessly
but how can that hand snapping back to zero over and over be considered anything
but abuse? This should be common sense! There is no way I would ever subject one of
my watches to that!
I have to disagree, in my just completed test of one of my V7750 movements described in my

post #84, I cycled it through this same function 120 times with no adverse effect and I feel
confident that I could have repeated it several hundred more times with the same result.
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I totally agree
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I use my chronographs, albeit quartz chronographs, repeatedly at work. I supply chemicals to

industrial customers and often have to verify flow rates of the chemicals to the customer's
process. This is done by measuring the volume of material pumped from a cylinder for a given
period of time, usually 1 min. I usually measure the flow of each pump several times before
completing the needed adjustments. Many of the chemical applications that I service have
several pumps, each of which requires the calibrations that I perform. It is not unusual for me
to perform 30 cycles in one hour. I do expect that, over time there may be some wear and
certainly some dead batteries but there is no way that I would expect/accept a failure like we're
talking about here. I have one coworker that uses a Breitling to do the same work I do
(freaking nuts if you ask me...but hey, to each his own) and his watch IS an automatic
chronograph. The movement in his watch is based of the 7750 (I think) and it is super reliable.
I guess that I don't believe that 20 cycles performed in succession is excessive. I also don't
believe that the comparisons between cycling a mechanical chronograph movement and drag
racing a Ferrari or flushing a toilet 20 time in a row are accurate either.
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I wonder if they have tried up to 20 continuous resets with their other brand's DD
movements without any issues.
Just curious...
There's a video in another thread that shows the production of a Dubois Depraz module and
how each and every part is electronically checked for tolerances. If anything, they should be
more reliable/durable as the parts are better engineered and better fitted.
One more thing, when Invicta introduced this movement last year, I scoured the web for any
and all bits of information to get myself up to speed on the DD module. There was/is absolutely
no reference anywhere to any susceptibility to slippage or any other defect for the matter.
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I wonder if they have tried up to 20 continuous resets with their other brand's DD
movements without any issues.
Just curious...
Just for the hell of it tried my Tag Heuer Aquagraph w/DD module 20 times
without a problem... it re-set perfectly everytime as it should.
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cycles with no adverse effect. The only reason I stopped was out
of boredom and tired fingers. IMHO based on the unavoidable
slipping.
This isn't the same thing, though. I don't own one of the DD watches but, correct me if I'm
wrong, doesn't the chronograph hand snap back to zero? The 7750 smoothly resets. This is
the difference. Since it snaps back to zero, there is much more stress on the hand. Doing this
20 times in rapid succession is certainly much more stress than doing it spread out over time.
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This isn't the same thing, though. I don't own one of the DD watches but, correct me if
I'm wrong, doesn't the chronograph hand snap back to zero? The 7750 smoothly
resets. This is the difference. Since it snaps back to zero, there is much more stress on
the hand. Doing this 20 times in rapid succession is certainly much more stress than
doing it spread out over time.
The V7750 "snaps back instantly" as do all automatic chronographs movements.

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Snappity Snap
The 7750 snaps back.
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....They don't fail en masse like they do here. As Brad said above, they are precision
instruments. If you throw a Maserati engine in a Prius . . . you can't blame the engine if
it doesn't run.
So far, I don't recall this round of DD "failing en mass".
The Maserati Quattroporte and GranTurismo engines are not actually made by Maserati.
Ferrari casts them, machines them, hand assembles them, delivers them to Maserati and then
the engines are fitted by Maserati. (hey.... that sounds familiar).
BTW, You could blame the engine... because the Prius uses a motor. But I digress, just thought
I'd lighten the conversation. Is 2:30 in the morning too late for a coffee break?
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I've never read such hypersensitive and accusatory reactions as I've just read.
Is there a history of bad blood here?
Being a loyal fan is one thing but trouncing someone with out of left field statements like
'purposefully trying to break the watch' and 'stop using profanity' is beyond the pale. There's
barely a day that goes by when someone, here, doesn't use '***' to make a strong point and
keep it polite.
We're adults here.
We get it.
Now as for trying the stopwatch feature in a $800 watch, it had better work 20 times in a row.
At least that.
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I want everyone to get in their cars.

Now get on a major highway with no traffic and pickup speed to 60 miles per
hour.
Once you reach 60, hit your brakes hard!
Now do this 19 more X.
How your brakes working now? Oh, must be defective brakes, right?
What you are not realizing is this is the same type of punishment you are
putting your watch through.
Now enjoy your day.
AJ
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All this debating is not going to sway anyone. People either think it's abuse to work the chrono
20 times in a row, others think it is simply testing the functions.
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Quote:

There's a video in another thread that shows the production of a Dubois Depraz module
and how each and every part is electronically checked for tolerances. If anything, they
should be more reliable/durable as the parts are better engineered and better fitted.
One more thing, when Invicta introduced this movement last year, I scoured the web
for any and all bits of information to get myself up to speed on the DD module. There
was/is absolutely no reference anywhere to any susceptibility to slippage or any other
defect for the matter.
I'm wondering, if Invicta is using the same movement everyone else is using then what could
be the problem?
Washer again??? hand size and weight??? dial used???
There has to be a spec on these requirements from DD.
I find it difficult for any company to subject themselves to yet another fiasco like the last time
without dotting their i's and crossing their t's.
But, then again, we shall see...
I still would not reset this particular movement in a manner I consider to be

questionable/excessive...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nycruza

Now get on a major highway with no traffic and pickup speed to 60 miles
per hour.
Now enjoy your day.
AJ
Sorry, comparing the heat and energy created and then dissipated in the example you've given
is in no way comparable to resetting a chronograph movement.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dvp55

I've never read such hypersensitive and accusatory reactions as I've just read.
Is there a history of bad blood here?
Being a loyal fan is one thing but trouncing someone with out of left field statements
like 'purposefully trying to break the watch' and 'stop using profanity' is beyond the
pale. There's barely a day that goes by when someone, here, doesn't use '***' to make
a strong point and keep it polite.
We're adults here.
We get it.
Now as for trying the stopwatch feature in a $800 watch, it had better work 20 times in
a row. At least that.
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Quote:

Sorry, comparing the heat and energy created and then dissipated in the example
you've given is in no way comparable to resetting a chronograph movement.
I was thinking the exact same thing but didn't want to get started in an argument...?
Yesterday, 02:34 AM
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I'm fairly confident I could activate the chrono feature on any Subaqua or say, Vulcan. brand
new or 5 years old 20 times and they would have no problem.
Is the issue because these DD are too delicate for that much use at a time? (Or Too New) I
thought that's what DD specialized in.
Then why put them in, in the first place? I doubt those original Swiss movements would have
had any problems in those Speedways just by themselves.
I'm just sayimg..
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Quote:

I'm fairly confident I could activate the chrono feature on any Subaqua or say, Vulcan.
brand new or 5 years old 20 times and they would have no problem.
Is the issue because these DD are too delicate for that much use at a time? (Or Too
New) I thought that's what DD specialized in.
Then why put them in, in the first place? I doubt those original Swiss movements would
have had any problems in those Speedways just by themselves.
I'm just sayimg..
The Dubois Depraz 2021 module is neither new, nor delicate. And yes, this is their specialty.
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+1 BRAD YOUR ON A ROLL TONIGHT and the hits just keep coming.
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+1 BRAD YOUR ON A ROLL TONIGHT and the hits just keep coming.
I'm not sure if it's a roll or not, but I try to analyze things factually and on their merits, which is
what I've been attempting to do here since I decided to chime in.
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I refer to the watch being new to the owner not the movement. I'm sure I know they've been
making them for sometime.
Some have said useing the Chrono 20 times was too much to expect and I was curious if it was
because it was a new watch or if the issue was it is too delicate of an instrument to expect that
much stress at one time.?
Or both?
I'm just saying I never read about any other Chrono issues except when a DD movement is
involved.
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I've be wearing my black IP since wednesday.
I have run the chrono and reset it in the neiborhood of 7 times during this period and all hands
snap back to 12 exactly.
It is running spot on with 0sec time variance too.
I feel very comfortable with it.
I'm just sayin...

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cycles with no adverse effect. The only reason I stopped was out
of boredom and tired fingers. IMHO based on the unavoidable
slipping.
I just completed the same test that Brad just did on two different
watches and movements although I did not do as many cycles. Here
are the watch models movements and number of cycles:
Movado Series 800 37 Jewel Swiss ETA 2894.2 (35-cycles)
Victorinox Swiss Air Force Air Boss Mach 6 Valjoux 7753 (25-cycles)
With no adverse effect!
BTW I do feel that this in anyway constitutes any abuse of my

timepieces. Although like others here do not use my chrono function
that often I do expect that if I need to use it, it should work without
issue or limitation. After all these are not dime store watches these are
professional timepieces.
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Thank you Brad for being the voice of reason.

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I refer to the watch being new to the owner not the movement. I'm sure I know they've
been making them for sometime.
Some have said useing the Chrono 20 times was too much to expect and I was curious
if it was because it was a new watch or if the issue was it is too delicate of an
instrument to expect that much stress at one time.?
Or both?
I'm just saying I never read about any other Chrono issues except when a DD
movement is involved.
No one here is a watchmaker or engineer for Dubois Depraz, so everything we postulate is open
to question. That said, it's my considered opinion, that cycling this or any chronograph
movement isn't abuse and would likely fall within the norms of expected use for someone who
times industrial or other cycles. Several comments above from those who use chronographs in
a work environment support that.
Going back to what I remember of my physics classes, F = m * a, or force equals mass times
acceleration. The mass of the chronograph hand is minuscule and the short distance it travels
over part of the circumference of the dial doesn't allow for much acceleration either. To provide
damping for the return of the hand to it's starting point given the tiny amount of energy
involved I'm sure is quite simple. It just doesn't follow that even rapid cycling of the movement
would be detrimental. In my example in post #84 using a V7750 I ran it trough 120 repeated
cycles without issue.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WATCHJAC

I just completed the same test that Brad just did on two
different watches and movements although I did not do as many
cycles. Here are the watch models movements and number of
cycles:

Victorinox Swiss Air Force Air Boss Mach 6 Valjoux 7753 (25-
cycles)
BTW I do feel that this in anyway constitutes any abuse of my

timepieces. Although like others here do not use my chrono
function that often I do expect that if I need to use it, it should
work without issue or limitation. After all these are not dime
store watches these are professional timepieces.
Good to see some aligned thinking here Joe.

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I have used my chronos a lot and things are just fine, but I can see how easy it would be for
something to go wrong would be with all the complications inside. I don't think that anyone
company's policy is to monitor their product for that long,OH wait a second, I do remember one
that does a running test for one year and they are really nice watches and really expensive too
and your avatar looks like the one I'm thinking of. Stay with what works for you and you should
be fine. Sorry your new Invicta was a defect , that's unfortunate.
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No one here is a watchmaker or engineer for Dubois Depraz, so everything we postulate

is open to question. That said, it's my considered opinion, that cycling this or any
chronograph movement isn't abuse and would likely fall within the norms of expected
use for someone who times industrial or other cycles. Several comments above from
those who use chronographs in a work environment support that.
Going back to what I remember of my physics classes, F = m * a, or force equals mass

times acceleration. The mass of the chronograph hand is minuscule and the short
distance it travels over part of the circumference of the dial doesn't allow for much
acceleration either. To provide damping for the return of the hand to it's starting point
given the tiny amount of energy involved I'm sure is quite simple. It just doesn't follow
that even rapid cycling of the movement would be detrimental. In my example in post
#84 using a V7750 I ran it trough 120 repeated cycles without issue.
I stand corrected on the hand snapping back on the Valjoux and, as such, I accept the test on
the 7750 being the same as the test on the DD. That said, I still would not subject any of my
watches, automatic or quartz, to the repetitive starting, stopping, and resetting the OP did and
call it anything less than abuse. Since I have no facts to back this up, I admit it is merely my
opinion and, as I am not a watch maker, an uneducated opinion as well. I can't see the starting,
stopping, resetting, and pushing of the pushers with such frequent rapidity as testing. As Nick
said, when I get a watch in and after I inspect it thoroughly, I will test the chronograph feature
by starting it and letting run for 30 seconds. After the first 30 second cycle I will reset it and
start it again, letting it run for 2 minutes, pushing the bottom button to make sure the lap
timing is working, before stopping it and resetting it again. I go one step farther than Nick,
especially with the 5050E movements with the 12 hour timer, and I will then let it run for just
over an hour before stopping it again and resetting it. If the chronograph hand returns to zero
in each case, I deem the watch is functioning properly and stick it in the collection.
My question now is:

Why would anyone want to do any further testing on a chronograph watch than what I just
described? If it works correctly in each of the 3 tests, why would anyone want to continue to
"test" it? To me, after such a test shows the watch to be performing as designed, any further
testing is not to see if it is functioning but, rather, it is to see if it can be broken.
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My question now is:
Why would anyone want to do any further testing on a chronograph watch than what I
just described? If it works correctly in each of the 3 tests, why would anyone want to
continue to "test" it? To me, after such a test shows the watch to be performing as
designed, any further testing is not to see if it is functioning but, rather, it is to see if it
can be broken.
In regards to this watch and movement, the first run last year had a "slippage" problem that
wasn't necessarily evident on first use. So if I were to pick one up from the new release, I
would want to make "very sure" that mine was not so affected, which would necessarily
mandate more aggressive testing. As to seeing if the watch can be broken, as I've commented
above in some detail, utilizing a properly engineered device for it's intended purpose should not
cause any damage.
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Quote:

In regards to this watch and movement, the first run last year had a "slippage"
problem. So if I were to pick one up from the new release, I would want to make "very
sure" that mine was not so affected, which would necessarily mandate more aggressive
testing. As to seeing if the watch can be broken, as I've commented above in some
detail, utilizing a properly engineered device for it's intended purpose should not cause
any damage.
In all due respect to everyone on the fence.

I bought all 3 models in the original run last year.
It was much more obvious as to the chrono reset slippage on all 3 versions I had.
They went back to shop as they should have.
And I was not interested in getting them back.
I did the exact same checks on the 3 versions I picked up this time around.
They passed my personal checks with flying colors.
I did not need to do 20 consecutive resets at all.
If the slippage problem was still prevalent, I believe it would have taken no more than 5 resets
to see it.
Anything well beyond that continuously is over-the-top to me…IMO...
Basically, I agree to disagree with many on this one.

I would be curious to here Jim and Mike's take on this subject.
Jim said on his show that you should not continuously run your chronographs, even on
automatics.
I still don't get this one because I think if you are wearing it, why should it matter?
It's an automatic...
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Since I started readig this thread I have cycled my 2 new DD s at least 20 times ,
and cycled my 2 DD s from the last run at least 20 times.All 4 still look and run as perfectly as
the day I got them...Ken
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Quote:

In regards to this watch and movement, the first run last year had a "slippage" problem
that wasn't necessarily evident on first use. So if I were to pick one up from the new
release, I would want to make "very sure" that mine was not so affected, which would
necessarily mandate more aggressive testing. As to seeing if the watch can be broken,
as I've commented above in some detail, utilizing a properly engineered device for it's
intended purpose should not cause any damage.
So, was that determined to be a design flaw or production flaw? I'm still fuzzy here as to where
the blame lay. Granted, Invicta will ultimately be the one to make the defective pieces right
but, is it a problem from DD or a problem from Invicta?
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So, was that determined to be a design flaw or production flaw? I'm still fuzzy here as
to where the blame lay. Granted, Invicta will ultimately be the one to make the
defective pieces right but, is it a problem from DD or a problem from Invicta?
Here's the official explanation given to us on the previous models...
http://watchgeeks.net/showthread.php?t=113701
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Eyal, TeamInvicta, DD or all parties need to comment on this and explain what's the reason for
this, and what steps are being taken to correct the alleged malfunctions.
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FWIW...I'm as big a skeptic as they come, and I wasn't overly impressed w/ my out of the box
experience on this one. I think I was the first to comment on the loose screws in the case back.
I didn't buy the first run last time, and watched in disgust as all those the watches started
failing. However, once that mess was ironed out, I was pretty confident Invicta and Eyal
wouldn't let that happen again. So with this release, I felt pretty good about jumping in.
Over the past 2 days, I have put mine through the paces. It has been dead on accurate for
over 36 hours, in many positions and being worn. Amazing to me. I have run the chrono
probably 30 to 40 times, for different lengths of time and reset from both sides of 30
seconds...zeros every time.
Thus far it seems like every bit the quality Swiss piece I expected this time around. That said, I
do not doubt some are having issues, and my gut tells me the rough shipping didn't help. But if
there is a systemic problem, it will be revealed and handled. If not, the 5 year warranty gives
me some piece of mind, (even tho' it may take 6 months to get it back... )
I am not an Invicta groupie, and do think it's not the same Invicta of a few years ago when IMO
overall quality was better. But still, where can you find a Swiss DD movement for the money we
spent on these? It was worth a shot IMO. And at least for me, so far, so good. Hope I didn't jinx
myself...
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Yesterday, 06:05 AM
#141
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BG
Either send it back for a refund, or and exchange.. Sounds like you've got a defective
one, and since the module was put onto the movement by DD, I'm wondering
about how they were shipped to Invicta from their factory to be placed into the
watches...Not sure where this went wrong, but I would not hesitate to exchange...
Have had mine 24 hours and set to atomic clock and so far it's perfect, not even 1
second off.. Ran the Chrono about an hour, reset perfectly..
Guys I know a couple of people have mentioned this, but DD does not affix the module to the
movement. Contact DD (as I did) and you will learn more. Neither bad or good just accurate
information.
Yesterday, 06:10 AM
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Does it really matter what model failed after 20 resets ?
If I purchased a inexpensive watch that had an automatic movement and ran the chrono and
then hit the stop and reset I would expect it to work.
Isn't that why the pushers are there ?
Being that the DD movement had various issues surrounding it last year I would expect Invicta
to go the extra mile to ensure this years offering was without issues.
I truly do not understand why people at this site jump on someone for their posting. I guess we
could just have a website for watch geeks that had unicorns and rainbows and we all felt really
good about our purchases.
As long as someone expresses their issue without using bad language why don't you all work on
not flaming someone for their opinions ?
If I had purchased this watch and had these issues I would be expressing my frustration as
well.
The ETA movement with the DD add on is suppose to be a very high end combination. I
remember one post comparing this combination to a rolex and how the invicta offering was over
$10k cheaper.
So in my opinion this watch offering was one of the higher end offerings and should perform
better than the average watch.
The amount of money that this watch costs should equal it's performance !
Yesterday, 06:15 AM
#143
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FrankV Location: New York
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Boy that is a bunch of bull if I ever heard some. Dropping your watch and using it as it was
designed to do is two totally different things.The watch has a chrono and it should work
properly. If I want to use it once or fifty times that is my choice.
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Yesterday, 06:35 AM
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Got to disagree with you on this one.
I have used my S.W.I. LE 7750 Chronograph at least 20 times, in the last 2 months. If not 20
times, it could be twice that. I time things I probably shouldn't even be timing (like using the
bathroom )
Never had an issue, and I feel that if a watch includes a chronograph then it should be able to
handle thousands upon thousands of resets.
I work in the Nuclear Engineering industry and I am aware that even well made products have a
typically a limited number of uses to it; but in this case 20 uses is in no way should be a
problem.
As for doing it 20 times in a ROW, it doesn't matter if they were right after each other or spread
days apart....The hands should not be loose enough to cause movement here.
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Yesterday, 06:59 AM
#145
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curiousgeorge Location: Mpls
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per hour.
Now enjoy your day.
AJ
Didn't you start a thread last year on how to constantly run your auto chrono as a second time
zone. How many people actually do that and wouldn't it be outside the norm for use or does it
in fact function the way it should properly. My guess is it functioned properly. I don't own one of
these dd yet, but if I did I would expect it to work as advertised. If not I would send it back.
Pretty simple. I tried running and stopping a 3 year old android mechanical chrono(Seagull)
with a snapback. 20 times, resets every time. I think Chief is onto to something with the
shipping. These plasticases do not hold the watch in place. I suggested to invicta before to pre-
cut the top half of the foam casing to pre-fit the watch to reduce shipping punishment. plus use
a stronger foam. Being a postal worker 23 years I know what kind of abuse your packages get.
When invicta was having a problem with the hands falling off the Oceanquest they were being
shipped in this manner. Might not be the problem, but it would eliminate quite a few others.
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per hour.
Now enjoy your day.
AJ
Actually that is pretty close to how you are supposed to bed brakes in. I think Zeckenhausen
has a good article on this.
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Yesterday, 07:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timeman

Eyal, TeamInvicta, DD or all parties need to comment on this and explain what's the
reason for this, and what steps are being taken to correct the alleged malfunctions.
No, they really don't. And just because people on this forum whine does not mean they are
entitled to manufacturers responding to them. Stop buying watch brands that fail if this is a
problem for you. I'm starting to think that the some of the credibility gap between this forum
and some other watch forums is partly the number of uninformed comments that pervade these
threads versus the perception of lower quality time pieces. For what it's worth, the Omega
Coaxial movement which costs a bit more than this DD movement had a terrible chrono flaw in
it where by operating the reset pusher before stopping the chrono would result in a broken
chrono - either constantly running or not working at all. Not only did the CEO not come out with
a personal statement, but most of the repairs were done at the owners' expense as watches
were out of warranty - $650 bucks at your local authorized Omega repair shop if you're curious.
Was I pissed, yes. Did I expect a statement...no. Should a chrono break by pushing the reset
pusher before it is stopped, no. Should it break after twenty repeated uses....no. The good
news here is if you have a broken watch or are worried, send the damn thing back, and select a
different brand. We need to start elevating these discussions.....they are getting old.
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I JUST DON'T GET WHATS GOING ON IN THIS FORUM. I RECEIVED THE FIRST D/D
SPEEDWAY LAST YEAR . I TRIED THE CHRONO 2-3 TIMES AND IT WORKED PERFECT. I
CHECKED THE WATCH OUT LIKE I ALWAYS DID FOR YEARS,FOR DEFECTS AND THAT IT ALL
WORKED OK. IT STILL WORKS PERFECT TODAY. I JUST RECEIVED THE NEW D/D IN SILVER.
DID MY SAME CHRONO CHECK 2-3 TIMES, EVERYTHING RUNS GOOD. I THINK SOME PEOPLE
ARE LOOKING FOR PROBLEMS,AND OVER ANALISE THE WATCH. IF YOU LOOK AT ANYTHING
LONG AND HARD ENOUGH YOU ARE BOUND TO FIND SOMETHING WRONG.(EVEN ROLEX,
OMEGA ETC HAS PROBLEMS,THEY ARE NOT TALKED ABOUT,AT LEAST ON THIS FORUM.) IF
THE WATCH LOOKS GOOD FEELS GOOD AND KEEPS GOOD TIME,WEAR IT ENJOY IT AND MOVE
ON.THIS FORUM IS SUPPOSE TO BE FOR WATCH LOVERS. SURE THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS
WITH SOME WATCHES. NOTHING MECHANICAL IS PERFECT. AND YES SOME PROBLEMS ARE
VALID,BUT DON'T OVERKILL THE SITUATION WHERE A POTENTIAL WATCH BUYER WILL BE SO
DISCOURAGED FROM WHAT HE OR SHE HEARS ON THIS FORUM,THAT THEY WILL BE AFRAID
TO BUY ANY WATCH!
Yesterday, 07:21 AM
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still waiting for mine to arrive. after reading these comments i am wondering how many have
failed, out of how many recd. i would guess that around 400 were sold. if we are talking about
1 or 2 failing after abusive test being run i am not overly concerned. however after reading this
thread i would think the watch is a disaster. it makes you almost think that some of our fellow
geeks go after invicta for their joy of it. how many complain of the watch without ever owning
it.
Yesterday, 07:24 AM
#150
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Quote:

per hour.
Now enjoy your day.
AJ
I don't think that is a fair comparison at all. Brakes are not designed to perform those 60mph-
>0mph hard stops 20 times over and over, they are designed for a few though. Plus they are
wearable items to begin with. Plus they are designed for quick easy cheap replacement; and
they are not covered under warranty because of the wear they receive.
These automatic chronographs are not a 'use 20 times then replace' item, and should never be
considered as such. No one EVER would buy a $700 watch if it only worked 20 times before
needing big $$$ service. Using your logic, it is acceptable for a watch to cost ($700/20) $35
PER CHRONOGRAPH RUN plus repair costs. Doesn't make sense. Don't pee on my leg and tell
me its raining.
Maybe a better comparison would be, to get in your car, and turn on the windshield wipers ON
and OFF 20 times in a row...see if they still are aligned correctly and work! I am sure they will,
and if not i would fully expect that you would be at the dealer to get a free replacement.
I have used many chronographs all the time and never yet experienced this issue. It is not
normal, and even if the culprit is a loose hand, it is a design flaw and not part of 'normal use'
Enjoy your day.

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My black ip is running with spot on time and I operate the chrono a couple of times each night after work
and everything reseta to zero as it should. Having said that I have not sized it yet and will probably send it
back soon...it just is not blowing my mind. It is a nice movement and the best in my collection but since I
reserved a meg 3 yesterday the speedway will be going back because the meg DOES blow my mind every
time I put one of them on.
The speedway is a nice watch but there is something telling me to send it back.
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Yesterday, 07:28 AM
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+1
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Yesterday, 07:29 AM
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What many have missed is this...

The movement is not defective, as it can be started and stopped.
What appears to be happening here is the chronograph hand is slipping on its pinion shaft.
This same problem was exhibited on the first Speedway DD Reserves and it was noted that the
hands and dails used on that first Speedway DD run of watches were not manufactured to the
production specs by the SUBCONTRACTER.
These were the findings of Dubois Depraz after their inspections.
So what I guess we're begining (maybe) to see here is a similar problem with an easy I would
think fix.
Cut loose the current supplier of hands and find a better vendor for these parts.
I truly hope it turns out to be this simple.
Yesterday, 07:31 AM
#154
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Quote:
Originally Posted by unclefixit

What many have missed is this...
The movement is not defective, as it can be started and stopped.
What appears to be happening here is the chronograph hand is slipping on its pinion
shaft.
This same problem was exhibited on the first Speedway DD Reserves and it was noted
that the hands and dails used on that first Speedway DD run of watches were not
manufactured to the production specs by the SUBCONTRACTER.
These were the findings of Dubois Depraz after their inspections.
So what I guess we're begining (maybe) to see here is a similar problem with an easy I
would think fix.
Cut loose the current supplier of hands and find a better vendor for these parts.
I truly hope it turns out to be this simple.
If something needs to be fixed in a new time piece, how is that not a "defect?"
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Yesterday, 07:32 AM
#155
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NCEngineer

When they market relatively small batches of a specific "high end" Invicta
watch (as in this case), the QC should be beyond reproach.
I just can't imagine a company that doesn't treat its customers any better than this would stay in business
long. How can improving CS not be on their corporate development plan?
It would be a really nice thing if these forums would provide a "direct line" to expedite repairs and correct
issues such as this since most people may own or gift one Invicta for a special occasion, but we all own
dozens. Actually, we probably sell hundreds too when others see and inquire about our watches.
But who knows. I'm sorry the OP had such a terrible time with a fairly expensive purchase. I would be
upset too.
All the best,
RD
Yesterday, 07:41 AM
#156
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NCEngineer

After having similar frustration with Invicta, I took a hiatus from
purchasing from them for what is about two years now. It was not a bad
thing as I discovered a few things during that time. One, I discovered
brands like NFW, Android and even Stuhrling and found that their CS was
like no other (NFW wins, hands down, in the QC and CS department).
Also, I found that I truly loved the Invictas that I already had - Reserve
models from 2003 - 2007. In fact, I'm hunting down Invicta Reserves
from that era right now.
Invicta is at its consistent best in the $200 - $400 price point (my
opinion); even today. But, I would not purchase from them ever again
until they clean up issues like this. When they market relatively small
batches of a specific "high end" Invicta watch (as in this case), the QC
should be beyond reproach.
I don't bash the brand itself because I honestly have enjoyed some truly
awesome Invicta works-of-art, at a relatively low cost and tremendous
value. But, I do cringe at seeing reports of chrono hands not lining-up, or
of bezels not lining up, etc, when it's a highly touted Invicta watch such
as this. Invicta has an incredible impact in the watch industry; I just want
them to live up to their potential. When I wear one of their creations, I'm
not just wearing something I purchased at a great value, I'm also
wearing a certain legacy and reputation that can only truly be earned and
established by Invicta itself, and I hate it when they fall short.
I hope it gets better. In the end, you can send it back to Invicta for a
warranty repair and get to wear that awesome watch in the future.
why the big print?,don't see how you can say which has the best qc and has nothing to do with this
thread,i guess you just really,really want to get your point across,jmo
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Yesterday, 07:43 AM
#157
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rgmb2

I should have been clearier.

The OP's watch is yes defective...what he is experiencing should not be happening.
But the blame is being placed improperly on the movement.

As it was on the first Speedway DD's and later found to a production/assymblly issue...out of
spec vendor supplied parts.
Yesterday, 07:44 AM
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Quote:

I think he was saying that specifically the movement itself is not defective, but the way the hands/pinions
were applied by Invicta. Could be the hand wasn't designed tight enough.
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these threads just get funnier & funnier.LOL.i myself would not run it 20 times.that being said,it
should reset perfectly everytime.
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Yesterday, 07:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rangerdavid

I just can't imagine a company that doesn't treat its customers any better than this would stay in
business long. How can improving CS not be on their corporate development plan?
It would be a really nice thing if these forums would provide a "direct line" to expedite repairs and
correct issues such as this since most people may own or gift one Invicta for a special occasion,
but we all own dozens. Actually, we probably sell hundreds too when others see and inquire about
our watches.
But who knows. I'm sorry the OP had such a terrible time with a fairly expensive purchase. I would
be upset too.
All the best,
RD
Hey Ranger (actually reminds me of how my instructors would call to me in

Ranger School),
This forum does, on occassion, provide a direct line to the CEO of Invicta, the
owner of Android, NFW and Stuhrling.
Whatever the reason for the specific failure of the OP's time piece, I hope it
gets resolved appropriately to a reasonable level of satisfaction.
There is certainly a lot of chest thumping around here - especially on topics

such as this - but, it's usually just "white noise/background noise" and should
just be tuned out.
Yesterday, 07:51 AM
#161
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Super Geek
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_NavyNuke

I think he was saying that specifically the movement itself is not defective, but the way the
hands/pinions were applied by Invicta. Could be the hand wasn't designed tight enough.
Bingo
Yesterday, 07:53 AM
#162
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I'm getting a sense that it is shipping by 'snbc' that is creating the problem. As well,
and I really do not know, but my sense is ...
Somewhere between the module and the connection to the 2892 is a serious issue. I could be wrong, but
this is the sense that I'm getting. I doubt it's anything DD did, and, I agree w/Chief that these had to be
tested and approved before shipping from Invicta.
Something is causing these to fail between the time it leaves snbc and gets to the
customer.
There has to be a 'weakly' engineered component part somewhere in this equation and
would not discount "WatchYouThink's" being an engineer.
Whatever it is, I also think it may be nonrelated to the prior issue on the first released DD's.
I'm retiscent to accept my package today and may refuse it. The last thing I need is
to be worrying moment to moment about a functioning element of a watch like this.
I'd like a DD in the stable, but may wait until one is made which has a better track record of reports from
owners.
To those who received a good one, they are probably going to be fine. I also don't think that starting and
stopping a chrono should break the watch, unless, as stated above, something is 'weak' in the connection
between the movement and module which needs
to be fixed. I am sure Invicta will respond soon to this issue w/a post from them.
I also think they are probably analysing this. I don't believe they would ship them knowing that it would
start this all over again.
I'll be listening for their report.
MB
Yesterday, 07:57 AM
#163
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jlovesseconds

why the big print?,don't see how you can say which has the best qc and has nothing to do with this
thread,i guess you just really,really want to get your point across,jmo
You are certainly welcome to your opinion; thanks for sharing it with us.
It's ironic, however, how your post attempts to point out how it has nothing to
do with this thread. Did you read your own post? Does IT have anything to do
with this thread?
Anyway, back to the original subject of the thread: a defective watch...

Yesterday, 07:58 AM
#164
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HeavyChevy Location: Michiana
Super Geek Real Name: Bruce
I'm kinda amazed at all the folks who so readily jumped down the OP's throat at the start of
this "discussion," but have been so quiet following Brad's well-reasoned, well-thought-out —
and well-documented — posts...
Yesterday, 08:04 AM
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Sorry to hear about your hands not aligning properly for you.
I have the 1st version & I also had the problem with the hand situation, however I am not a stupid person
or let my anger cloud my judgement, as for the price my thought was I'll send it back & try again.
Well the replacement No. 640/800 has been working like a champ & as some know is spot on with the
accuracy, then including the fact of it's classy, elegent look & fit for my wrists, I would consider trying
again & get a replacement or repair.
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Yesterday, 08:19 AM
#166
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Krazy Location: Pa
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I have no way of knowing what the actual mean-time-to-failure would be
in an automatic chronograph movement, but sheer logic tells me that
operating one a mere 20 times in succession should have no impact on
it. These are precision instruments, not Veg-A-Matics. I don't own a
watch with the Dubois Depraz 2021 chronograph module, but
nonetheless wanted to run a test of my own. I chose my Philip Watch
Sunray chronograph powered by the venerable Valjoux 7750 as it is one
of the older ones I own, which should make it more susceptible to
slippage. I operated the chronograph function in continuous succession
from 0 to 15 seconds followed by an immediate reset for 120 cycles with
no adverse effect. The only reason I stopped was out of boredom and
tired fingers. IMHO based on the unavoidable logic that these things
have to be engineered to operate more than occasionally, there is
something amiss with those that are slipping.
Finally the voice of reason!!!
Yesterday, 08:26 AM
#167
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Krazy Location: Pa
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Another thing that my play in this is the 40 assembled by "other" as I think Eyal said. My take on this
hands deal that Invicta is having such a fiasco with many of their watches is the material their made of is
either too hard or soft to stay locked on shaft so back to the supplier Eyal uses is my guess!
Yesterday, 08:26 AM
#168
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Quote:
But do you by a new sports car and run out and drive it 175 mph without giving it a
chance to get broken in first?
I would think continued resetting would have to generate heat or some unnecessary stress
somewhere in that movement or the hands...IMO...
ABSOLUTELY , its called the motoman theory.
As far as the watch goes , send it back.
Yesterday, 08:29 AM
#169
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Krazy Location: Pa
Seems the black version is having most of the issues?
Yesterday, 08:32 AM
#170
Join Date: Dec 2009

Krazy Location: Pa
By the way the Originals had problems with lack of space between dial face & hands! Hence the spacer that
was added to fix issue.
Yesterday, 08:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavyChevy

I'm kinda amazed at all the folks who so readily jumped down the OP's throat at the
start of this "discussion," but have been so quiet following Brad's well-reasoned, well-
thought-out — and well-documented — posts...
No one jumped down his throat that I saw , they questioned his language but most members were very
sympathetic . Their was one post who put the links up of all his complaints, still that was not jumping
down his throat. The discussion was over the 20 times testing the chrono and who advised to do that.
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Sorry to hear this.
I bought the first DD in silvertone and one of the pins fell out. I caught it before it fell to the floor,
otherwise it runs well. I read the post comparing Invicta to Rolex before the deliveries and I said to myself,
I hope they arrive better than the first experience. As of late I have had screws come out and waited eight
weeks for replacements.
I hope you can resolve your problems with the watch and get to enjoy it. There is nothing worse than
waiting for UPS and get a problem watch. Lately it is hit or miss I'm sorry to say with Invicta.
Trigger
Yesterday, 08:42 AM
#173
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I do not see this as a major problem as of yet , 3 watches with an issue does not
constitute an epidemic.
In as far as the chrono of cycling it 20 times and the members who went and tried
it on there other watches right , wrong or indifferent I will not try and break mine I
have been testing my watches the same way for years and I have no problems. I
would also like to hear from a watch expert on this .
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Yesterday, 08:45 AM
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Painterguy39 Location: St.Bonifacius,Minnesota
Super Geek Real Name: Jeff
Mine is perfect!!I had to snug up a few of the screws on the case back but i love the watch....i really think
this is an isolated incident as can happen when producing any more than one of anything...send it back for
an exchange and move on!
Yesterday, 08:46 AM
#175
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Highlander Location: Bethany, CT
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huh?
Quote:

Although I agree with the expensive $800 comment, I really don't believe that we watch collectors
buy these watches to use as an industrial stop watch. Most buy because they might occasionally
time something. Most of us buy chronographs because we like the look of the watch. The people
on this site have become obsessed with purposefully trying to break this watch, and it is
ridiculous.
So if you only occasionally time something 20 times over the period of 6 mo. or a year and then the defect
shows up, that's ok?
Give me a break! Your line of reasoning is silly and flawed.
Go buy a real watch.
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I agree 100 %.....And if you check out my thread , Black DD speedway 37/600 defective ...I
have the same problem and What I said was that you need to check your chrono as much as
possible. I dint mean that you had to check 20 times without giving it a break. I just played it
with 3-4 times and the chrono hand wouldn;t reset back to 12 O clock position......some of the
comments here are just not making any sense.
Good luck guys !
Quote:
Originally Posted by Highlander

So if you only occasionally time something 20 times over the period of 6 mo. or a year
and then the defect shows up, that's ok?
Yesterday, 08:55 AM
#177
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A real watch ??? -What is that supposed to mean ?

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Yesterday, 08:58 AM
#178
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Quote:

A real watch ??? -What is that supposed to mean ?
One that works the way it was intended to 100% of the time.
Yesterday, 09:02 AM
#179
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Chief68 Real Name: Nick
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One that works the way it was intended to 100% of the time.
Nothing and no company is perfect 100 % of the time and I think you know that, such is life.
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Yesterday, 09:02 AM
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I like the font they used on the date wheel!
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Yesterday, 09:06 AM
#181
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Knifemaker

I like the font they used on the date wheel!
Ha.. me too!
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Yesterday, 09:09 AM
#182
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chasntime Real Name: George
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There are lots of occasions where a chronograph may be used repeatedly, at the race
track, in the lab ... many scenarios ..... that is not "purposefully trying to break it" ....
that's just using it. If a watch, especially a very expensive watch, is going to include a
chronograph function then it should be able to be used. If repeated use of the chrono
function produces a high risk of breaking the watch, then there should be a warning
notice.
I concur Larry....
I do not "KNOW" anyone here but I agree....I also am an engineer, not that it has a thing to do
with watches, just general equipment uses. Continually testing is a part of ALL production
equipment installations....you will and must test equipment from max speed to emergency stop
to verify safety numerous times BEFORE commissioning. Over and over to make sure, if
something breaks, it is a weak link and must be corrected. In my business, people's lives are at
stake. And if it breaks, then no production for periods not acceptable to the business.
While not a safety issue, I propose two correlations;
1) IF there is an issue, it should have been caught in testing and corrected. That after doing
complete cycles including parts manufacture, assembly, shipping, etc.
2) While normal wear and tear is expected, I do NOT consider using the chrono 20 times in a
row a torture test. I expect mine to function and reset correctly all the time. At least in the
foreseeable future.
Yeah yeah....some complaints correlate the price to the fit and finish. That I can see. But
function is function, if it is there it should work regardless the cost.
I bought htis watch, 205 of 250, so far so good. I have tested the chrono about 8 times in two
days. It's all good. I will keep testing, more in the lines of MY use. Once or twice a day....just
because I like to play with my watches mostly. I have 30 days. If it malfunctions, it goes back.
If not It's a keeper. Assuming the accuracy stays good. (@ +3 yesterday).
Off my soap box....
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Yesterday, 09:17 AM
#183
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Master WatchGeek
Quote:
Originally Posted by chasntime

I concur Larry....
I do not "KNOW" anyone here but I agree....I also am an engineer, not that it has a
thing to do with watches, just general equipment uses. Continually testing is a part of
ALL production equipment installations....you will and must test equipment from max
speed to emergency stop to verify safety numerous times BEFORE commissioning. Over
and over to make sure, if something breaks, it is a weak link and must be corrected. In
my business, people's lives are at stake. And if it breaks, then no production for periods
not acceptable to the business.
While not a safety issue, I propose two correlations;
1) IF there is an issue, it should have been caught in testing and corrected. That after
doing complete cycles including parts manufacture, assembly, shipping, etc.
2) While normal wear and tear is expected, I do NOT consider using the chrono 20
times in a row a torture test. I expect mine to function and reset correctly all the time.
At least in the foreseeable future.
Yeah yeah....some complaints correlate the price to the fit and finish. That I can see.
But function is function, if it is there it should work regardless the cost.
I bought htis watch, 205 of 250, so far so good. I have tested the chrono about 8 times
in two days. It's all good. I will keep testing, more in the lines of MY use. Once or twice
a day....just because I like to play with my watches mostly. I have 30 days. If it
malfunctions, it goes back. If not It's a keeper. Assuming the accuracy stays good. (@
+3 yesterday).
Off my soap box....
George I want to point out that almost every product that is under development goes through
strenuous testing, to ensure consumer confidence. However after that product has been
developed the product will NOT go through the same testing in the Manufacturing stage.
I have said this from the start, I think that this should work no matter how many times you use
it. But testing does not always show a defect until one puts it through every day use. What ever
the cause of this issue it appears to be Isolated to a few, but the MOB loves to blow it out of
proportion.
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Yesterday, 09:22 AM
#184
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With all due respect, this thread has become vindictive and downright nasty. First of all guys,
were're only talking about waches and not life and death issues. Getting so emotional serves no
purpose other than to antaganize and cause hard feeling. What it comes down to is that if you
feel you have a questionable or defective watch, contact CS and ship it back for a full refund
including shipping. Furthermore, if that sours you on Invictas (or at least higher end Invictas),
then don't buy the brand. You can report your experience with the timepeice, but why be
emotive? That stated, I am returning my stainless DD, but not due to any malfunction. In fact,
it works perfectly. I'm returning it because I secured the original silvertone with the blue hands
which I just find more attractive. I I also bought the Invicta PD 7751 in silvertone. Both of
these watches are being purchased from one of the most rock solid trusted geek on the forum,
so I have no worries. Look for my feedback soon in the sales section. If I didn't get these other
2 watches, the new DD would definitely have been kept. My # is 52/250. If anyone wants a
perfect example, PM me before I return. I am sorry for those folks who feel they got a
malfunctioning DD and wish you all good luck, but be gracious in your disappointment. It keeps
this site a cut above the others.
With respect,
Larry
Yesterday, 09:29 AM
#185
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Quote:

Nothing and no company is perfect 100 % of the time and I think you know that, such
is life.
I've been collecting watches for a long time and frequent two other watch forums, neither of
which feature Invicta, but most all of the other high end brands and yes while there is an
occasional defect that pops up it by no means comes anywhere close to the problems
associated with the Invicta brand and I myself have never received a non Invicta watch that
had a problem.
So yes, I agree with you that no company is perfect, there is a vast gap between the quality of
Invicta and other brands as shown right here in this forum, you almost can't go 1 day here
without reading about a problem.
I've never owned an Invicta and after visiting here for a while I would never be inclined to, it's
just too risky.
It seems to me that Invicta's business model is to produce an inferior product in order to

maximize profit and to heck with the consumer.
I understand that their price points make some nice looking watches affordable to a lot of
people that normally wouldn't to be able to afford a more expensive watch, but to all the
collectors out there who own multiples of $200 Invictas, I say why not save up $1,000 or so
and just buy one higher quality watch that chances are will work as intended when you receive
it.
Yesterday, 09:32 AM
#186
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Master WatchGeek
Quote:

I've been collecting watches for a long time and frequent two other watch forums,
neither of which feature Invicta, but most all of the other high end brands and yes while
there is an occasional defect that pops up it by no means comes anywhere close to the
problems associated with the Invicta brand and I myself have never received a non
Invicta watch that had a problem.
So yes, I agree with you that no company is perfect, there is a vast gap between the
quality of Invicta and other brands as shown right here in this forum, you almost can't
go 1 day here without reading about a problem.
I've never owned an Invicta and after visiting here for a while I would never be inclined
to, it's just too risky.
It seems to me that Invicta's business model is to produce an inferior product in order

to maximize profit and to heck with the consumer.
I understand that their price points make some nice looking watches affordable to a lot
of people that normally wouldn't to be able to afford a more expensive watch, but to all
the collectors out there who own multiples of $200 Invictas, I say why not save up
$1,000 or so and just buy one higher quality watch that chances are will work as
intended when you receive it.
There you go folks, their is your answer! Factual.....not really but an answer never the less!
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Yesterday, 09:39 AM
#187
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Please keep in mind how many models and brands invicta produces and we mostly only hear
about the problems
I am not defending invicta but if other brands sold the volume that invicta does they may have
some of the same issues
I would think the latest version of the dd speedway should of had extra qa to make up for last
years issues
Yesterday, 09:44 AM
#188
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TomRaz

Please keep in mind how many models and brands invicta produces and we mostly only
hear about the problems
I am not defending invicta but if other brands sold the volume that invicta does they
may have some of the same issues
I would think the latest version of the dd speedway should of had extra qa to make up
for last years issues
I'm sure that all the other brands out there combined have equal to or greater production
numbers than Invicta and just going by the other forums for these watches there is no way
close to the number of problems reported.
Quantity of production should not be an excuse for high numbers of defects.
I think it's telling when someone feels compelled to making a separate post about receiving a
watch that works properly out of the box!
Yesterday, 09:46 AM
#189
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Painterguy39 Location: St.Bonifacius,Minnesota
Super Geek Real Name: Jeff
this thread is trouble
Yesterday, 09:46 AM
#190
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No, they really don't. And just because people on this forum whine does not mean they
are entitled to manufacturers responding to them. Stop buying watch brands that fail if
this is a problem for you. I'm starting to think that the some of the credibility gap
between this forum and some other watch forums is partly the number of uninformed
comments that pervade these threads versus the perception of lower quality time
pieces. For what it's worth, the Omega Coaxial movement which costs a bit more than
this DD movement had a terrible chrono flaw in it where by operating the reset pusher
before stopping the chrono would result in a broken chrono - either constantly running
or not working at all. Not only did the CEO not come out with a personal statement, but
most of the repairs were done at the owners' expense as watches were out of warranty
- $650 bucks at your local authorized Omega repair shop if you're curious. Was I
pissed, yes. Did I expect a statement...no. Should a chrono break by pushing the reset
pusher before it is stopped, no. Should it break after twenty repeated uses....no. The
good news here is if you have a broken watch or are worried, send the damn thing
back, and select a different brand. We need to start elevating these discussions.....they
are getting old.
Back to my original post - the stupidity of rehashing this continues........

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Yesterday, 09:48 AM
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Quote:

Back to my original post - the stupidity of rehashing this continues........
Agree.
Yesterday, 09:50 AM
#192
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Master WatchGeek
Quote:

I'm sure that all the other brands out there combined have equal to or greater
production numbers than Invicta and just going by the other forums for these watches
there is no way close to the number of problems reported.
Quantity of production should not be an excuse for high numbers of defects.
I think it's telling when someone feels compelled to making a separate post about
receiving a watch that works properly out of the box!
Stick around here long enough and you will see that 1/3 or more reported problems have NO
factual proof of an issue. There are so many who love to bash Invicta it is unreal. The fact of
the matter is you nor I nor anyone else knows the true numbers of defective watches from
Invicta or any other brand. So one must read through the BS that takes place here. stick
around do some reading and ask some questions and it wont take long for you to read between
the lines.
Have we seen one single video of proof from the OP or any other there is a actual problem?
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Yesterday, 09:51 AM
#193
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Real Name: Nick
Chief68
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I've been collecting watches for a long time and frequent two other watch forums,
neither of which feature Invicta, but most all of the other high end brands and yes while
there is an occasional defect that pops up it by no means comes anywhere close to the
problems associated with the Invicta brand and I myself have never received a non
Invicta watch that had a problem.
So yes, I agree with you that no company is perfect, there is a vast gap between the
quality of Invicta and other brands as shown right here in this forum, you almost can't
go 1 day here without reading about a problem.
I've never owned an Invicta and after visiting here for a while I would never be inclined
to, it's just too risky.
It seems to me that Invicta's business model is to produce an inferior product in order

to maximize profit and to heck with the consumer.
I understand that their price points make some nice looking watches affordable to a lot
of people that normally wouldn't to be able to afford a more expensive watch, but to all
the collectors out there who own multiples of $200 Invictas, I say why not save up
$1,000 or so and just buy one higher quality watch that chances are will work as
intended when you receive it.
I own over 420 watches and 300 of them or more are Invicta mostly
Reserves , and I have never had an issue with one so that sure seems like
good odds to me. Here is my point you never owned one and never will
but you are opinionated on them and quite frankly you have no right to be
but that is the problem here - you spread HERESAY. You never owned one
but you comment as you have and that is what should stop. I have no
problem with people that have an issue if they bought a watch from a
company and something went wrong and they speak of experience . Food
For Thought.
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Yesterday, 09:56 AM
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Who ARE you ? Never heard of you before, 38 whole posts and your calling me silly and flawed
and calling out people. You don't even have the courtesy to give us your name. On top of that
your telling me to buy a real watch ? I am not saying you can't have an opinion, but how about
sharing some forum time before you start calling out people you don't know or certainly have
never heard of you.
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Yesterday, 10:02 AM
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I own over 420 watches and 300 of them or more are Invicta mostly
Reserves , and I have never had an issue with one so that sure
seems like good odds to me. Here is my point you never owned one
and never will but you are opinionated on them and quite frankly
you have no right to be but that is the problem here - you spread
HERESAY. You never owned one but you comment as you have and
that is what should stop. I have no problem with people that have
an issue if they bought a watch from a company and something
went wrong and they speak of experience . Food For Thought.
Ok, if you're telling me that most of the people reporting problems here are liars then I'll abide
by that and agree that Invicta has no higher rate of defects than other brands.
Yesterday, 10:03 AM
#196
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Real Name: Mike
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Quote:

Who ARE you ? Never heard of you before, 38 whole posts and your calling me silly and
flawed and calling out people. You don't even have the courtesy to give us your name.
On top of that your telling me to buy a real watch ? I am not saying you can't have an
opinion, but how about sharing some forum time before you start calling out people you
don't know or certainly have never heard of you.
With all do respect, I've read your posts and know you are an excellent contributor in substance
and quantity, but the "whose is larger argument" has no place in replying. The guy's substance
was so weak it spoke for itself.
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Yesterday, 10:05 AM
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Who ARE you ? Never heard of you before, 38 whole posts and your calling me silly and
flawed and calling out people. You don't even have the courtesy to give us your name.
On top of that your telling me to buy a real watch ? I am not saying you can't have an
opinion, but how about sharing some forum time before you start calling out people you
don't know or certainly have never heard of you.
I didn't cally you silly personally, I said you're line of reasoning was silly as pertains to the op's
problem.
My name is Rich, if that makes a difference.
Yesterday, 10:05 AM
#198
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Chief68
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Ok, if you're telling me that most of the people reporting problems here are liars then
I'll abide by that and agree that Invicta has no higher rate of defects than other brands.
Liars is a strong word , some people not all just want to start trouble that
has been proven many times, but you should not be the one spreading
anything because you do not own any - THAT I am sure of.
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Yesterday, 10:09 AM
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I didn't cally you silly personally, I said you're line of reasoning was silly as pertains to
the op's problem.
My name is Rich, if that makes a difference.
Yes it does make a difference. We are kind of a family here, and when someone we don't
know who says he does not even own an Invicta (the primary sponser here on this
site), says he belongs to other forums, tells people to buy "a real watch", and stirs up
crap, we tend to get a little suspicious.
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Yesterday, 10:12 AM
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With all do respect, I've read your posts and know you are an excellent contributor in
substance and quantity, but the "whose is larger argument" has no place in replying.
The guy's substance was so weak it spoke for itself.
Mike I am not using the "whose is larger argument" that is why I stated I don't mind someone
having an opinion. I just get tired of the "Hit and Run" posts by people who clearly
don't spend any time here.
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Yes it does make a difference. We are kind of a family here, and when someone we don't know
who says he does not even own an Invicta (the primary sponser here on this site), says he
belongs to other forums, tells people to buy "a real watch", and stirs up crap, we tend to get a
little suspicious.
Easy Lee, Easy Brother.. rub your pressure points my man Wooosawwwwww! LOL
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Yesterday, 10:14 AM
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Mike I am not using the "whose is larger argument" that is why I stated I don't mind someone having an
opinion. I just get tired of the "Hit and Run" posts by people who clearly don't spend any time here.
Agree with that 100%. I also think there should be a waiting period for 10 days before anyone can post for
anythread related to the launch of any reserve automatic time piece. People get worked up about them in both
directions. I was a complainer back in the lupah sandstone/meteroite days when mine arrived missing hour
markers. Cooling off period might help.......Begin the "Freedom of Speech" posts now.......
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Yesterday, 10:14 AM
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Liars is a strong word , some people not all just want to start trouble that has
been proven many times, but you should not be the one spreading anything
because you do not own any - THAT I am sure of.
If someone says they have a problem with a watch but don't really have the problem then that's lying in my
book.
And yes I don't own Invicta but I can read what's posted here and I guess I was gullible to believe all of it, I'll
take that into account from now on.
What percentage of the "I have a problem with my watch" posts would you estimate are valid?
Yesterday, 10:20 AM
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Weve all been here before,I hope My freinds that ordered this watch got a good one.good luck to all
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Yesterday, 10:21 AM
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silvertone is back on the shop

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Yesterday, 10:21 AM
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Chief68
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If someone says they have a problem with a watch but don't really have the problem then that's lying in
my book.
And yes I don't own Invicta but I can read what's posted here and I guess I was gullible to believe all of
it, I'll take that into account from now on.
What percentage of the "I have a problem with my watch" posts would you estimate are valid?
Very hard to say Rich some members thought they had an issue and it gets corrected
right here on the forum , some come here just to troll and cause trouble and then some
really have a defect. The truth is that Invicta is not as bad as portrayed that is a fact -
They make a ton of watches with fantastic designs at a lower cost than most
companies and that is the major reason for the hatred.
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Yesterday, 10:21 AM
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forehire Location: RANCHO MIRAGE CA
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The frist run watchs had a problem with the hands. I belive all the watchs with the blue hand will have that
problem. I sent mine back to Invicta, and it seams they did a good job on the repair. Crono's are al;ways a
prollem, just another thing to go wrong. But still for the money, once fixed, you will have a great watch.
Yesterday, 10:22 AM
#208
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Chief68
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I just ordered the Two Tone Speedway last night and I hope it gets here by
Monday.
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Yesterday, 10:23 AM
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Mike I am not using the "whose is larger argument" that is why I stated I don't mind someone having an
opinion. I just get tired of the "Hit and Run" posts by people who clearly don't spend any time
here.
I spend quite a bit of time here, I visit every day, I just don't post alot and believe it or not I really am of the
opinion that if you don't have anything good to say then don't say anything, which is why I don't have a lot of
posts.
But every once in a while when I read something that to me makes so little sense then I feel I need to speak up
about it.
When someone implies that starting & stopping a chronograph 20 times over a short period is not a good thing,
something that it was built to do (start & stop) and that if it becomes defective because of that
treatment.....well, that just falls into the no sense category for me.
Yesterday, 10:24 AM
#210
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Master WatchGeek
Quote:

I just ordered the Two Tone Speedway last night and I hope it gets here
by Monday.
Man you are on a roll! Very niiiiiiice!
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Yesterday, 10:26 AM
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I have no way of knowing what the actual mean-time-to-failure would be in
an automatic chronograph movement, but sheer logic tells me that operating
one a mere 20 times in succession should have no impact on it. These are
precision instruments, not Veg-A-Matics. I don't own a watch with the Dubois
Depraz 2021 chronograph module, but nonetheless wanted to run a test of
my own. I chose my Philip Watch Sunray chronograph powered by the
venerable Valjoux 7750 as it is one of the older ones I own, which should
make it more susceptible to slippage. I operated the chronograph function in
continuous succession from 0 to 15 seconds followed by an immediate reset
for 120 cycles with no adverse effect. The only reason I stopped was out of
boredom and tired fingers. IMHO based on the unavoidable logic that these
things have to be engineered to operate more than occasionally, there is
+1 Brad
Yesterday, 10:27 AM
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Clarification
Quote:
Originally Posted by forehire

The frist run watchs had a problem with the hands. I belive all the watchs with the blue hand will have
that problem. I sent mine back to Invicta, and it seams they did a good job on the repair. Crono's are
al;ways a prollem, just another thing to go wrong. But still for the money, once fixed, you will have a
great watch.
If you are referring to the first offering (silvertone dial with blued hands), then your statement is not totally true.
While noone can argue the point that many of these watches had problems, like yours, and had to be sent in for
repair, I know many geeks who own this same model with no issues whatsoever. Please, this post is not ment to
be confrontational in any way, just to clarify.
Larry
Yesterday, 10:31 AM
#213
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Very hard to say Rich some members thought they had an issue and it gets
corrected right here on the forum , some come here just to troll and cause
trouble and then some really have a defect. The truth is that Invicta is not as
bad as portrayed that is a fact - They make a ton of watches with fantastic
designs at a lower cost than most companies and that is the major reason for
the hatred.
I've seen the posts about supposed defects that really weren't and got corrected here on the forum, calibrating
the chrono hand on the quartz movements and such and I'm not taking those into consideration, but come on,
all the posts about mold, hands falling off, the first batch of DD Speedways and not the problems beginning to
surface about this batch. It just seems to go on and on with this brand and aside from an isolated incident here
and there about other brands like the problem with the Omegas posted earlier there really is very little to
compare in this regard.
Yesterday, 10:32 AM
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Stick around here long enough and you will see that 1/3 or more reported problems have NO factual
proof of an issue. There are so many who love to bash Invicta it is unreal.
and there are so many here that think invicta does no wrong at all! they say they are tired of all the invicta
"bashing"and then in the same breath point the finger and "bash" at someone else(shipper or shopnbc). no one
is perfect believe it or not. not even invicta.i will continue to buy then as will everyone else since they make
great and innovative timepieces at very great prices. but at the same time i will not be blinded ny then into
thinking they have no problems and the problem is always with the shipper or shopnbc.with the volume of
watches invicta make yes there will be some problems that is understandable but when you only have 250 of a
piece in my opinion there should be NO problems at all! we are not talking about a massed produced WATCH
here we are talking about a very special limited edition TIMEPIECE. hopefully this will open some eyes and let
some people who think invicta is perfect (and all the problems people have had to have happened elsewhere)
see that they are not perfect and maybe they will stop swinging like a monkey on a banana tree!
Yesterday, 10:33 AM
#215
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Chief68
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I've seen the posts about supposed defects that really weren't and got corrected here on the forum,
calibrating the chrono hand on the quartz movements and such and I'm not taking those into
consideration, but come on, all the posts about mold, hands falling off, the first batch of DD Speedways
and not the problems beginning to surface about this batch. It just seems to go on and on with this
brand and aside from an isolated incident here and there about other brands like the problem with the
Omegas posted earlier there really is very little to compare in this regard.
Once again you go right back to talking about things you did not experience . Give it
a rest Rich it is getting OLD.
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Easy Lee, Easy Brother.. rub your pressure points my man Wooosawwwwww! LOL
thats funny ! calm down Lee you got family!
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I have no way of knowing what the actual mean-time-to-failure would be in
an automatic chronograph movement, but sheer logic tells me that operating
one a mere 20 times in succession should have no impact on it. These are
precision instruments, not Veg-A-Matics. I don't own a watch with the Dubois
Depraz 2021 chronograph module, but nonetheless wanted to run a test of
my own. I chose my Philip Watch Sunray chronograph powered by the
venerable Valjoux 7750 as it is one of the older ones I own, which should
make it more susceptible to slippage. I operated the chronograph function in
continuous succession from 0 to 15 seconds followed by an immediate reset
for 120 cycles with no adverse effect. The only reason I stopped was out of
boredom and tired fingers. IMHO based on the unavoidable logic that these
things have to be engineered to operate more than occasionally, there is
Very well said as usual Brad,I have to agree with your opinion on this subject.
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Yesterday, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bfalba1

and there are so many here that think invicta does no wrong at all! they say they are tired of all the
invicta "bashing"and then in the same breath point the finger and "bash" at someone else(shipper or
shopnbc). no one is perfect believe it or not. not even invicta.i will continue to buy then as will everyone
else since they make great and innovative timepieces at very great prices. but at the same time i will not
be blinded ny then into thinking they have no problems and the problem is always with the shipper or
shopnbc.with the volume of watches invicta make yes there will be some problems that is
understandable but when you only have 250 of a piece in my opinion there should be NO problems at all!
we are not talking about a massed produced WATCH here we are talking about a very special limited
edition TIMEPIECE. hopefully this will open some eyes and let some people who think invicta is perfect
(and all the problems people have had to have happened elsewhere) see that they are not perfect and
maybe they will stop swinging like a monkey on a banana tree!
No one ever said they are Perfect Brian but they are a far cry from the way they are
portrayed.
Lets get back on Topic here Please , I think we have just about covered this.
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Highlander .. as a new member who has 'never' owned an Invicta your comments are
so far out of line that it saddens me.
To say that Invicta's purpose is to make 'inferior' watches so that they

can make the most profit !!
.... when their Mantra is to make the highest possible quality for the
least/or affordable price to the consumer ......... is ruthless, and, further
shows a great deal of disregard for all of us who love our SAS's, SAN4's,
and so many other watches which have an incredible record of accuracy
and quality of build and design.
Why are you doing this .. generalizing so much about a fine company that tries so hard
to please and 98 percent of the time SUCCEEDS .....
Based upon simple objective deduction, you must have some personal agenda, especially since you have never
owned one single Invicta watch ......
PLSE FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO W/YOUR TIME .. or maybe just wish us all joy and happiness with our large
collections of Invictas which have never failed.
MR BLUE
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Quote:
Originally Posted by soberdave09
Damn you beat me too it! LOL

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Quote:

Once again you go right back to talking about things you did not experience .
Give it a rest Rich it is getting OLD.
I've seen several pictures posted here showing the mold and the hands floating around loose, so unless they
were photoshopped I'd call that experience.
Agree about this getting old so this will be the last thing I say in this thread.
You or anyone else are welcome to have the last word, I'll keep my mouth shut.
Yesterday, 10:47 AM
#223
Join Date: Jan 2009

Master WatchGeek
Quote:

I've seen several pictures posted here showing the mold and the hands floating around loose, so unless
they were photoshopped I'd call that experience.
Agree about this getting old so this will be the last thing I say in this thread.
You or anyone else are welcome to have the last word, I'll keep my mouth shut.
Enjoy your stay and have a nice day!

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Yesterday, 10:50 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrblue

Highlander .. as a new member who has 'never' owned an Invicta your comments are
so far out of line that it saddens me.
To say that Invicta's purpose is to make 'inferior' watches so that they

can make the most profit !!
.... when their Mantra is to make the highest possible quality for the
least/or affordable price to the consumer ......... is ruthless, and, further
shows a great deal of disregard for all of us who love our SAS's, SAN4's,
and so many other watches which have an incredible record of accuracy
and quality of build and design.
Why are you doing this .. generalizing so much about a fine company that tries so hard
to please and 98 percent of the time SUCCEEDS .....
Based upon simple objective deduction, you must have some personal agenda, especially since you have
never owned one single Invicta watch ......
PLSE FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO W/YOUR TIME .. or maybe just wish us all joy and happiness with
our large collections of Invictas which have never failed.
MR BLUE
Enjoy your watches, I wish you and all others here nothing but the best of luck with them and I really mean
that.
I have no agenda other than to speak up about something that to me makes no sense as I've stated before.
Yesterday, 10:53 AM
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In your last post, you said " this is my last comment " ..... guess you didn't mean it Highlander ......... I'm glad
you wish us all well w/our Invictas. That took some heart and
is appreciated.
CHIEF, HAS THIS ONE RUN IT'S COURSE YET ......... PLSE CLOSE ...... mercy !!
BEST TO EYAL AND INVICTA .. THANKS FOR ALL THE GREAT WATCHES I OWN .. BLUE
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Larry I am not saying that there is not a problem with these it is too early yet but everyone keeps
bringing up that night on TV and the girl dropped the watch on the floor prior to airing that night.
The watch was operating fine before that and as for you saying a couple of times 20 is borderline
abuse and it is above normal operation so I just hope whoever advised the members to do this
knows what they are talking about.
I really have no dog in this discussion but mentioning borderline abuse makes me wonder something.
This is a Speedway model watch and designed to check speeds and such at lets say a race like the Daytona 500 this weekend. Lets just say a person
who purchased this watch goes to the race and decides to use his new Speedway to check lap times throughout the race. He may do that 5, 10, 20 or
30, 40 or even 50 times over the course of the couple of hours.
Is it borderline abuse for him to do that? Would he be wrong in hoping that his watch would work perfectly each and every time? I'm sorry Nick but I
don't understand the borderline abuse part of it. The watch in question is a stopwatch. What is normal operation of a stopwatch?
Like I said I have no dog in this but its a stopwatch that should be able to used like a stopwatch.
Yesterday, 10:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrblue

In your last post, you said " this is my last comment " ..... guess you didn't mean it Highlander ......... I'm glad you wish us all well w/our
Invictas. That took some heart and
is appreciated.
CHIEF, HAS THIS ONE RUN IT'S COURSE YET ......... PLSE CLOSE ...... mercy !!
BEST TO EYAL AND INVICTA .. THANKS FOR ALL THE GREAT WATCHES I OWN .. BLUE
Yes, positive comments and this one excepted.
Yesterday, 11:03 AM
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Did someone say earlier to send it back and get on with life??
Personally I thought the watch was boring anyway (now that two tone version is VERY nice)
but use one of your beater Chinese chronos I bet it will work perfectly
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Yesterday, 11:04 AM
#229
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WATCHJAC

I just completed the same test that Brad just did on two different watches and movements although I did
not do as many cycles. Here are the watch models movements and number of cycles:

Victorinox Swiss Air Force Air Boss Mach 6 Valjoux 7753 (25-cycles)
BTW I do feel that this in anyway constitutes any abuse of my timepieces. Although like others here do not
use my chrono function that often I do expect that if I need to use it, it should work without issue or
limitation. After all these are not dime store watches these are professional timepieces.
Well stated. Abuse? I think not. Followed the example of Brad and Joe and have just finished cycling the chronograph of my 30
year old Rolex Daytona 30 times (I've said before that I don't baby my watches) in the course of 15 minutes at different
points on the dial with no failures to reset to zero, skips, jumps or stutters whatsoever. That's a clear indication of "build
quality" and performance that I simply expect in a high quality watch.
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Yesterday, 11:16 AM
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In the earlier models, there was a stated flaw with hand tolerances. Perhaps that hasn't been addressed fully?
Yesterday, 11:24 AM
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I guess we will see later on how this new batch of DD are going to perform to early to tell if is a massive problem.I can understand people reacting this
way over a watch with a movement that before had a history of issues.Invicta has a great value and you will be very happy if your watch perform like it
should,for the money if you get one working good you as a consumer won.No agendas here i hope whoever bought one or already has one wish you the
best and yes you should be able to run the chronos 30 times with no problems but please dont drop the watch before you do it.
Yesterday, 11:32 AM
#232
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I have been reading every thing I could about this issue. I got pulled into the gravity-field of unsatisfied people to the point where I was more than
hesitant about buying a DD.
I looked at all the Invictas I had and thought of all the good feelings I got from each one. It was then that I picked up a SAS that I got with a damaged
case back screw and remembered what I thought at the time. I never sent it back. The watch was perfect in every other respect so I kept it.
Here I would like to say that nearly one hundred percent of the watches I got from the shop was flawless.
I do not think these negative things are the intent of Invicta or the people who entertain us and make our collecting a lot more than watching grass grow
or listening to crickets chirp on a dark night.
However, I do think, though, that if some one is rubbing you the wrong way and you let them know it they will CORRECT the situation.ß
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You know what, if I am wrong I am wrong. I will take the heat. There just seems like something logically wrong with purposefully trying to break
something that in my opinion really was not designed for heavy use like that.
What difference does it make if you run the chronograph 20 times in one day, or 20 times over a period of 20 days? If after the 20th time it
malfunctions, something is wrong with the movement
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Yesterday, 11:40 AM
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To the Op I hope things work out for you. I got the silver and had it two days and everything seems ok. I didn't taken the plastic off because I knew
these post were going to start and now im reconsidering my own purchase. I personally look at the some threads to see if I should be checking for any
problems but I may have read to many this time. Kinda sucks because im not excited about this watch anymore.
Yesterday, 11:41 AM
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I just got my SAN4 from the Thursaday run and it seems to be working fine. Does anyone know how many times I should run it over with my truck to
see if I should send it back or not?
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Yesterday, 11:45 AM
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WOW its starting to sound like the watchlords around here and the issue with one watch.
.
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Yesterday, 11:47 AM
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I was told by Tourneau and other AD that I should be careful with my Breitling Navitimer using the the 7750 Chrono movement. I wondered WTF as
seeing it's a $5,000 timepiece, it should take some abuse and should reset to 0 all the time.
However, after reading across all the forums here and other sites, common conclusion was there is NO chrono movement out there that will last forever.
Some people are tough on the chrono pushers and the torque you apply to the pusher may break something inside. NO chrono watch is free from this
type of behavior (Breitling, Omega, etc). Go and speak to an honest Tourneau or AD tech person.
You have other issues like people going back and forth on whether you should run your chronos for long periods of time...and I say why not?!!, it's got a
12 or 24 hour totalizer right? But I've learned to understand, these movements are complex with small sensitive parts inside, so I'm not expecting it to
take excessive abuse...if you want to abuse pushers, drop watches, etc., then go buy the quartz version and worry less. You buy hand built mechanical
movements, expect something to eventually go if you use constantly or excessively...as with cars and homes, that's part of the ownership experience.
To the OP, I'm bummed you got a bad movement from Invicta, but it happens to ALL manufacturers. It just gets magnified here by some trolls and
member reactions. Send it back and get a new one and call it a day.
I wouldn't mention that you cycled it 20-30times though as I'm sure you will definitely be refused a repair or return based on that.
Good luck.
Yesterday, 11:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Subaquasteve

I just got my SAN4 from the Thursaday run and it seems to be working fine. Does anyone know how many times I should run it over with my
truck to see if I should send it back or not?
LOL! At least 20!
Yesterday, 11:51 AM
#239
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I ran my chrono though the paces,ran it 10 times in a row,stopping it from10 seconds to 3 minutes resetting each time,no problems.This watch is a
precsion instrument as posted,it should be able to take what ever you give it just shy of abuse.20 times in a row is not even close to abuse and definitly
not trying to purposely breaking it.It is a defective timepiece,send it back.
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#240
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Subaquasteve

I just got my SAN4 from the Thursaday run and it seems to be working fine. Does anyone know how many times I should run it over with my
truck to see if I should send it back or not?
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Guys, I have reset my Zenith in rapid secession many times with no issues but, I had a Gevril Seacloud that had a DD module for its chrono movement
and I did have an issue with the hands resetting. I took it to my local watch guy and he realigned the chrono hands. Maybe the movement is a little more
susceptible to this issue. Just an observation.
Yesterday, 11:59 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Krazy

Finally the voice of reason!!!
Brad is usually spot on, this case being a fine example...

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Yesterday, 12:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timeman

Eyal, TeamInvicta, DD or all parties need to comment on this and explain what's the reason for this, and what steps are being taken to correct
the alleged malfunctions.
Quote:

No, they really don't. And just because people on this forum whine does not mean they are entitled to manufacturers responding to them. Stop
buying watch brands that fail if this is a problem for you.
A simple explanation from one or all of the parties concerned could bring all this speculation to an end. What's wrong with that?
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Yesterday, 12:08 PM
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Perhaps the hole in the chrono second hand is a bit big, allowing a little slippage with each reset.
Does this movement have a "snap" reset to zero, like the V7750?
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Yesterday, 12:15 PM
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Tandi Posts: 415
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HondaLover

Perhaps the hole in the chrono second hand is a bit big, allowing a little slippage with each reset.
Does this movement have a "snap" reset to zero, like the V7750?
Yes, the DD has a flyback function or "snap"
Yesterday, 12:18 PM
#246
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No problems with mine just on the fence if I will keep it or not. Lume and bracelet could be much better but I dont have anything like this in my
collection now. The small dial opening is a plus and its really not any bigger than my 45mm Victorinox Valgrange. Chronos can be touchy and I dont try
to break them by testing them over and over. When we used to break in brand new boats we took them on sea trials for weeks until we could create a
problem then try to correct it then try to break it again.Maybe this step isnt taken in the watch industry by certain brands so the consumer does the
testing.I hope the OP gets the resolution he is looking for.
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Yesterday, 12:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by X-James

This is a Speedway model watch and designed to check speeds and such at lets say a race like the Daytona 500 this weekend. Lets just say a
person who purchased this watch goes to the race and decides to use his new Speedway to check lap times throughout the race. He may do that
5, 10, 20 or 30, 40 or even 50 times over the course of the couple of hours.
Is it borderline abuse for him to do that? Would he be wrong in hoping that his watch would work perfectly each and every time? I'm sorry Nick
but I don't understand the borderline abuse part of it. The watch in question is a stopwatch. What is normal operation of a stopwatch?
Well I have a few dogs in this race and what you are describing would be normal use . I picture someone sitting their
push stop, push stop, push stop 20 times in a row no reason for that. Test it of course but to sit and try it like the way
it has been described seems like overkill.
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Yesterday, 12:30 PM
#248
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pam29188

I was told by Tourneau and other AD that I should be careful with my Breitling Navitimer using the the 7750 Chrono movement. I wondered WTF
as seeing it's a $5,000 timepiece, it should take some abuse and should reset to 0 all the time.
However, after reading across all the forums here and other sites, common conclusion was there is NO chrono movement out there that will last
forever. Some people are tough on the chrono pushers and the torque you apply to the pusher may break something inside. NO chrono watch is
free from this type of behavior (Breitling, Omega, etc). Go and speak to an honest Tourneau or AD tech person.
You have other issues like people going back and forth on whether you should run your chronos for long periods of time...and I say why not?!!,
it's got a 12 or 24 hour totalizer right? But I've learned to understand, these movements are complex with small sensitive parts inside, so I'm not
expecting it to take excessive abuse...if you want to abuse pushers, drop watches, etc., then go buy the quartz version and worry less. You buy
hand built mechanical movements, expect something to eventually go if you use constantly or excessively...as with cars and homes, that's part
of the ownership experience.
To the OP, I'm bummed you got a bad movement from Invicta, but it happens to ALL manufacturers. It just gets magnified here by some trolls
and member reactions. Send it back and get a new one and call it a day.
I wouldn't mention that you cycled it 20-30times though as I'm sure you will definitely be refused a repair or return based on that.
Good luck.
WOW someone spoke to a real expert and was told good information for a change , not just an opinion .
I thank you for this post it is very credible and helpful.
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Yesterday, 12:57 PM
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DiveMaster Real Name: Juice
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Valid point
Quote:

This is a Speedway model watch and designed to check speeds and such at lets say a race like the Daytona 500 this weekend. Lets just say a
person who purchased this watch goes to the race and decides to use his new Speedway to check lap times throughout the race. He may do that
5, 10, 20 or 30, 40 or even 50 times over the course of the couple of hours.
Is it borderline abuse for him to do that? Would he be wrong in hoping that his watch would work perfectly each and every time? I'm sorry Nick
but I don't understand the borderline abuse part of it. The watch in question is a stopwatch. What is normal operation of a stopwatch?
Most people just want the watch for the look. What if you want to use the functions daily? I have not heard of a duty cycle for a watch or stopwatch. It
should perform its functions properly for years.
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#250
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Well I have a few dogs in this race and what you are describing would be normal use . I picture someone sitting
their push stop, push stop, push stop 20 times in a row no reason for that. Test it of course but to sit and try it
like the way it has been described seems like overkill.
To operate and reset the chrono 40 or 50 times at a race would be doing it on an average of once every 4 to 5 minutes and the original OP stated he did
it about 20 times in 1 hour which averages to once every 3 minutes.
Nick, I just don't understand the abuse vs. normal use part of it. Like I said I have no dogs in this race but I would think that an $800 stopwatch should
function flawlessly each and every time you operate it, especially a watch design to be used as a timing device and stopwatch like the Speedway model.
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I have never heard from any movement manufacturer of a recommended rest period between
chronograph activations. If the chronograph is started, stopped and reset, it shouldn't matter
what time interval is between activations. If you did 20 activations in an hour, is not abusive
use in my opinion.
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#252
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Quote:
To the OP, I'm bummed you got a bad movement from Invicta, but it happens to ALL
manufacturers. It just gets magnified here by some trolls and member reactions. Send
it back and get a new one and call it a day.
I wouldn't mention that you cycled it 20-30times though as I'm sure you will definitely
be refused a repair or return based on that.
Really?? Is it actually your opinion that simply cycling the chrono 20 times would void the
warranty?
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Yesterday, 01:25 PM
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HeavyChevy Location: Michiana
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Quote:

Well I have a few dogs in this race and what you are describing
would be normal use . I picture someone sitting their push stop,
push stop, push stop 20 times in a row no reason for that. Test it of
course but to sit and try it like the way it has been described
seems like overkill.
From the OP:

"UPDATE 2:
Would activate it, let it run for 15 - 45 secs and then reset. .. wait a little while then do it
again.I did not "torture" test the watch!"
Yesterday, 01:30 PM
#254
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To operate and reset the chrono 40 or 50 times at a race would be doing it on an

average of once every 4 to 5 minutes and the original OP stated he did it about 20
times in 1 hour which averages to once every 3 minutes.
Nick, I just don't understand the abuse vs. normal use part of it. Like I said I have no
dogs in this race but I would think that an $800 stopwatch should function flawlessly
each and every time you operate it, especially a watch design to be used as a timing
device and stopwatch like the Speedway model.
Well that is why people are entitled to an opinion and that was mine. It
also seems like some watch experts agreed with me as well.
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Yesterday, 01:31 PM
#255
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Quote:

From the OP:
"UPDATE 2:
Would activate it, let it run for 15 - 45 secs and then reset. .. wait a little while then do
it again.I did not "torture" test the watch!"
Why are you just copying other posts Bruce -

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Yesterday, 01:33 PM
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Quote:

From the OP:
"UPDATE 2:
Would activate it, let it run for 15 - 45 secs and then reset. .. wait a little while then do
it again.I did not "torture" test the watch!"
I tried to point out as well earlier in the thread that he also said it gradually started resetting to
a different spot which didn't mean it was fine for 20 and then BAM it went bad. Just sounds like
it slowly got worse and worse over 20 uses and for me I would rather know that while it's still in
the looking over process and not after 32 days when the return policy is up and you need to
deal with Invicta to get it fixed.
Yesterday, 01:36 PM
#257
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Quote:

I tried to point out as well earlier in the thread that he also said it gradually started
resetting to a different spot which didn't mean it was fine for 20 and then BAM it went
bad. Just sounds like it slowly got worse and worse over 20 uses and for me I would
rather know that while it's still in the looking over process and not after 32 days when
the return policy is up and you need to deal with Invicta to get it fixed.
I would believe he is sending it back to Shop as well as it should be.

This thread went too far off the original statement that the comments
are not directed at him anymore.
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Yesterday, 01:40 PM
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Watchyathink:
It is my opinion that Invicta or ShopNBC could take the stance and say that 20-30 cycles over a
short time could be abuse, so the OP would be wise to play it safe and say the movement went
bad while in the warranty period and I would like a replacement.
Makes sense don't you think? or would some detail in how the movement went bad along with
some flaming words toward customer service help the OP's cause in this instance?
Yesterday, 01:51 PM
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I would bet the OP's watch has a chrono second hand that is not firmly attached, slipping during
resets. (Nothing wrong with the base movement)
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Quote:

It is my opinion that Invicta or ShopNBC could take the stance and say that 20-30
cycles over a short time could be abuse
.... or would some detail in how the movement went bad along with some flaming
words toward customer service help the OP's cause in this instance?
First, I don't think that 20 cycles is anywhere even close to "abuse".
Second, I think that detail about how the movement went bad would be useful information to
pass along .... I don't know why you felt you had to add the "flaming words" part???
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Quote:

Although I agree with the expensive $800 comment, I really don't believe that we
watch collectors buy these watches to use as an industrial stop watch. Most buy
because they might occasionally time something. Most of us buy chronographs because
we like the look of the watch. The people on this site have become obsessed with
purposefully trying to break this watch, and it is ridiculous.
The thing I find ridiculous are the numerous issues experienced with Invicta's higher-end
timepieces. For timepieces with this price tag and above, they should be flawless, imo. The
chrono issue is not the only issue reported with this model, and we don't even need to go into
the prior model. Pretty sad if you ask me. I own a significant number of Invicta timepieces and
have had my share of issues as well, but I still continue to purchase the brand.
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Quote:
I really have no dog in this discussion but mentioning borderline abuse makes me
wonder something.
This is a Speedway model watch and designed to check speeds and such at lets say a
race like the Daytona 500 this weekend. Lets just say a person who purchased this
watch goes to the race and decides to use his new Speedway to check lap times
throughout the race. He may do that 5, 10, 20 or 30, 40 or even 50 times over the
course of the couple of hours.
Is it borderline abuse for him to do that? Would he be wrong in hoping that his watch
would work perfectly each and every time? I'm sorry Nick but I don't understand the
borderline abuse part of it. The watch in question is a stopwatch. What is normal
operation of a stopwatch?
Like I said I have no dog in this but its a stopwatch that should be able to used like a
stopwatch.
I agree 100%. It is in no way abusive. It should work perfectly. If the watch isn't intended to be
used for that function or is prone to failure after repeated use, they should provide a
disclaimer... obviously I'm being facetious, but my point is that it should not fail.
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Yesterday, 02:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blade

I agree 100%. It is in no way abusive. It should work perfectly. If the watch isn't
intended to be used for that function or is prone to failure after repeated use, they
should provide a disclaimer... obviously I'm being facetious, but my point is that it
should not fail.
Do you own any of the Speedway's with the DD module?

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Yesterday, 02:21 PM
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Quote:

First, I don't think that 20 cycles is anywhere even close to "abuse".
Second, I think that detail about how the movement went bad would be useful
information to pass along .... I don't know why you felt you had to add the "flaming
words" part???
The first part of your response is exactly why the OP should not mention how the movement
went bad. YOU don't think so, but try arguing that with EYAL and Co or Shop NBC if they were
to take the stance I mentioned.
You're right I would like to strike the flaming words part from my earlier response...however no
need to add flaming words like in the OP's title for this thread either...right?
Yesterday, 02:23 PM
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Quote:

I agree 100%. It is in no way abusive. It should work perfectly. If the watch isn't
intended to be used for that function or is prone to failure after repeated use, they
should provide a disclaimer... obviously I'm being facetious, but my point is that it
should not fail.
+1. It's a chrono and should be used as such if one wants. There is no way to justify it breaking
even if used 20 times in an hour. This is not a watch from a gumball machine where one might
not expect much, but big bucks are on the line here (at least from my perspective).
I'm just glad mine works as it needs to.

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You know, I've often wondered when i hear Michael talking on Shop about how
Invicta always has around 1400 timepieces in development, how it would be possible
to maintain dood QC while producing that kind of volume? I love my Invitas and even
crusade for them with people unfamiliar with the brand, I'm a little more careful
these days, which is why I didn't pull the trigger for almost $800 for the DD.. as much
as I wanted to!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by battleshipduke

My Invicta Leviathan 7750 just did 20 cycles in a row with no problems. That's why
Horologists agree that the Invicta Leviathan is the greatest time telling instrument ever
devised as well as the finest watch...in the world.
Just did my SANiv 30x in a row no sweat man I love that watch
Yesterday, 02:58 PM
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took me along time to read thriugh 267 posts. One thing is clear, there are alot of very die hard
Invictas fans weighing in on this one. Best not to bad mouth the big I. Personally I thought
Brad (flyback's) posts were the most reasonable. I own a boatload of Invictas but I am in no
hurry to own the DD speedways. On a lighter note; give me the eta G10, if the movement fails
I'll replace it with another plastic one... LOL
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if you keep doing it, eventually itll be back to zero

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Quote:
Originally Posted by battleshipduke

My Invicta Leviathan 7750 just did 20 cycles in a row with no problems. That's why
Horologists agree that the Invicta Leviathan is the greatest time telling instrument ever
devised as well as the finest watch...in the world.
Quote:
Originally Posted by iuoe406

Just did my SANiv 30x in a row no sweat man I love that watch
We are all adults here and able to make our own decisions but I really do
not see the need to take any watch and keep pressing buttons to prove a
point. If your watch is working fine leave it be.
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Mine just got dropped off and seems like a winner so far. I snapped a couple IPhone pics of the
packaging and did a little video of two chrono resets from :15 and :45 seconds so we could see
from both sides and both went well. It's uploading now but will throw the pics up for the time
being in a separate thread.
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Some people will never admit that any of invicta's problems are real. That being said, after
reading all of the posts I decided to do my own test. So I pulled out my cheap chinese auto
chrono that I bought off of ebay a couple of years ago.
it has never kept really good time so I just never wear it. But I got it going and started the
crono let it run for about five seconds, stopped it and reset it. I did this as fast as I could for 35
times in a row. Not only did it not break, but it did reset to zero EVERY time.
please keep in mind this is a very cheap chinese automatic chrono, but it does perform the way
it is designed to even after my "unreal torture " test.
please don't start piling on me, I'm. Just telling you my results with a cheap watch.
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LOOK, I reported this problem before in another thread. But believe me, there is a problem with
at least a few of these movements. My Black DD Speedway arrived with the chrono hand
correctly positioned at 12 oclock. BUT, the very first time I ran the watch, it didn't reset
correctly. I didn't run it 20 times to see that it was messed up. I only ran it once. However, the
more often I DID run the chrono, just like the OP here reported, the reset became more off the
mark. AND if I let the chrono run, the entire watch came to a stop after a few minutes, only to
start up again when I stopped the chrono.
I have since received my silvertone DD Speedway (199/250). The chrono runs perfectly and
resets perfectly, repeatedly. I don't think I have done this 20 times but at least a half dozen
times. I am very happy with how it functions. (HOWEVER, it remains to be seen whether I am
going to be keeping this version (199/250), BECAUSE so far, it doesn't keep time very well. It
has gained 15 seconds overnight in just 6 hours, bezel up, off my wrist. I am hoping it will
settle down.) I really otherwise love the watch.
BTW, I saw that demonstration on TV when the watch didn't reset to zero. I ordered the watch
anyway, not believing my eyes.
One other comment. I have many Invictas. I have never had an issue with any of them. The
fact that there is a problem now with at least 2 of these samples of the new DD Speedway
(perhaps 3, if we include the TV watch that was reported as dropped), doesn't mean much. I'll
be the first one to say that, even though, I am dissappointed with my particular sample. Still it
important for people with similar issues, to report these issues, should a pattern emerge that
needs to be addressed. I personally, don't think the OP screwed up his watch by running it 20
times in a row. (I could be wrong, but I base my opinion on having done this with other 7750
chrono's I own.) Sure, the ETA 2892/DD movement may be more delicate than a 7750, but if it
was, I am not sure I would want to own one. The only way I believe anyone could possibly
damage ANY automatic chrono movement would be to forcefully push the reset button while the
chrono was running, and that's really difficult to do.
Now many people here seem to feel that only happy owners should report their new watch
experiences. They feel that the rest of us with problems, being the exceptions, should just keep
our mouths shut. We should just get our watches repaired, exchanged, or ask for a refund. I
hope that's not what the majority wants. Is so, we should make it a forum rule to report just
happy experiences. I don't think we should do that, but rather be careful HOW we report
negative experiences, so that it becomes just a case report and not a degradation of a company
or a watch model. While there may be a tendency to exaggerate the significance of any single
report, (I haven't), let others decide what they want to believe or not, or what to do with the
reports. I didn't believe what I saw on TV when the watch didn't reset, and bought the watch
anyway. I took a chance and lost. Most people have won buying this watch. I am not crying
about it. I am a big boy. Other than disappointment and some trouble of returning the watches,
I haven't lost anything.
Yesterday, 04:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BabyDoc

LOOK, I reported this problem before in another thread. But believe me, there is a
problem with at least a few of these movements. My Black DD Speedway arrived with
the chrono hand correctly positioned at 12 oclock. BUT, the very first time I ran the
watch, it didn't reset correctly. I didn't run it 20 times to see that it was messed up. I
only ran it once. However, the more often I DID run the chrono, just like the OP here
reported, the reset became more off the mark. AND if I let the chrono run, the entire
watch came to a stop after a few minutes, only to start up again when I stopped the
chrono.
I have since received my silvertone DD Speedway (199/250). The chrono runs perfectly
and resets perfectly, repeatedly. I don't think I have done this 20 times but at least a
half dozen times. I am very happy with how it functions. (HOWEVER, it remains to be
seen whether I am going to be keeping this version (199/250), BECAUSE so far, it
doesn't keep time very well. It has gained 15 seconds overnight in just 6 hours, bezel
up, off my wrist. I am hoping it will settle down.) I really otherwise love the watch.
BTW, I saw that demonstration on TV when the watch didn't reset to zero. I ordered the
watch anyway, not believing my eyes.
One other comment. I have many Invictas. I have never had an issue with any of them.
The fact that there is a problem now with at least 2 of these samples of the new DD
Speedway(perhaps 3, if we include the TV watch that was reported as dropped), doesn't
mean much. I'll be the first one to say that, even though, I am dissappointed with my
particular sample. Still it important for people with similar issues, to report these
issues, should a pattern emerge that needs to be addressed. I personally, don't think
the OP screwed up his watch by running it 20 times in a row. (I could be wrong, but I
base my opinion on having done this with other 7750 chrono's I own.) Sure, the ETA
2892/DD movement may be more delicate than a 7750, but if it was, I am not sure I
would want to own one. The only way I believe anyone could possibly damage ANY
automatic chrono movement would be to forcefully push the reset button while the
chrono was running, and that's really difficult to do.
Now many people here seem to feel that only happy owners should report their new
watch experiences. They feel that the rest of us with problems, being the exceptions,
should just keep our mouths shut. We should just get our watches repaired, exchanged,
or ask for a refund. I hope that's not what the majority wants. Is so, we should make it
a forum rule to report just happy experiences. I don't think we should do that, but
rather be careful HOW we report negative experiences, so that it becomes just a case
report and not a degradation of a company or a watch model. While there may be a
tendency to exaggerate the significance of any single report, (I haven't), let others
decide what they want to believe or not, or what to do with the reports. I didn't believe
what I saw on TV when the watch didn't reset, and bought the watch anyway. I took a
chance and lost. Most people have won buying this watch. I am not crying about it. I
am a big boy. Other than disappointment and some trouble of returning the watches, I
haven't lost anything.
Agreed along with video proving that it actually is faulty, if no video no Thread! If you cant
afford a camera then sorry NO Thread!
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I just hope this is a very small problem. I have the two tone comming next week. Invicta should
be able not to repeat a problem.
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rofl
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DONT READ!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kissfan

Some people will never admit that any of invicta's problems are real. That being said,
after reading all of the posts I decided to do my own test. So I pulled out my cheap
chinese auto chrono that I bought off of ebay a couple of years ago.
it has never kept really good time so I just never wear it. But I got it going and started
the crono let it run for about five seconds, stopped it and reset it. I did this as fast as I
could for 35 times in a row. Not only did it not break, but it did reset to zero EVERY
time.
please keep in mind this is a very cheap chinese automatic chrono, but it does perform
the way it is designed to even after my "unreal torture " test.
please don't start piling on me, I'm. Just telling you my results with a cheap watch.
That sounded like a pretty good test, similar (and even more stressful on the watch) to the OPs
experience. I don't have a dog in this race either so I decided to do your test with a Renato
Wilde-Beast, too. What the heck, right?
Well, you know what happened, Kissfan? Absolutely nothing. No problems of any kind, no
concerns, perfect. The chrono hand is sitting nicely in the middle of the 12 still...just like its
supposed to.
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it seems like the movemnts modified with the DD seem to often have issues when Invicta puts
them into one fo their watches... didnt problems arise last time also...?
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Agreed along with video proving that it actually is faulty, if no video no Thread! If you
cant afford a camera then sorry NO Thread!
Ron I think I missed the coronation. Did someone crown you King?
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Quote:

Ron I think I missed the coronation. Did someone crown you King?
Nothing more then a suggestion Brad, nothing more then a suggestion.
However I have been king in my mind as long as I can remember, and to be honest if you or
anyone else doesnt like it......well my man IDGAS!
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. . . and to be honest if you or anyone else doesnt like it......well my man IDGAS!
Had to consult the Urban Dictionary to decipher that one and now I clearly understand your
viewpoint.
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Had to consult the Urban Dictionary to decipher that one and know I clearly understand
your viewpoint.
Good deal!
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Some people are focusing on the repetition and rate of repetition of utilizing the chrono function
and say (or imply) that this is the reason for the failure -- reason being stress (or abuse) of the
mechanism. I would like to know how such a small number of cycles at the rate of repetition
stated in this thread could cause the mechanism to fail, versus the same number of cycles over
a longer period of time with "rest" periods between the cycles. Is there some type of "rest"
period that should be adhered to when using the function, and if so, what occurs (some type of
"stress recovery") during this "rest" period that would prevent the mechanism from failing
during future executions?
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Quote:

Agreed along with video proving that it actually is faulty, if no video no Thread! If you
cant afford a camera then sorry NO Thread!
Does the same apply to those who claim theirs works perfectly?
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Quote:

Does the same apply to those who claim theirs works perfectly?
At this time does a "Mine works perfectly" thread does not create a $*it storm, so the answer is
no!
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Quote:
LOL!
Perfect timing!
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Quote:

At this time does a "Mine works perfectly" thread does not create a $*it storm, so the
answer is no!
Why is posting one's issue with their timepiece considered a "$*it storm"? I don't believe I read
anything in this thread bashing Invicta.
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Quote:

Why is posting one's issue with their timepiece considered a "$*it storm"? I don't
believe I read anything in this thread bashing Invicta.
You are right and not the norm though, however Bashing isnt the only issue here speculation is
90% of the problem in fighting is also a problem. Having facts to back up a claim is always a
better method.
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Ron, you are tied for "Top Poster" in this thread

Do you even own this watch?
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Do you don't even own this watch?
Not now I am #1!

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LMAO
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This is getting pretty stupid, but like a car crash....

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You are right and not the norm though, however Bashing isnt the only issue here
speculation is 90% of the problem in fighting is also a problem. Having facts to back up
a claim is always a better method.
This is shared interest forum not a scientific symposium where theorems are set forth and
substantiated for peer review. Every shared interest forum I've belonged to, and not just
regarding watches is largely based on preference/opinion and those with varying viewpoints
should be able to state and debate their position freely so long as it is done within the TOS of
the forum - without someone trying to shout them or the topic down. Of course if you belong to
the school of IDGAS, perhaps this doesn't apply.
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Quote:

This is shared interest forum not a scientific symposium where theorems are set forth
and substantiated for peer review. Every shared interest forum I've belonged to, and
not just regarding watches is largely based on preference/opinion and those with
varying viewpoints should be able to state and debate their position freely so long as it
is done within the TOS of the forum - without someone trying to shout them or the
topic down. Of course if you belong to the school of IDGAS, perhaps this doesn't apply.
Thanx for the heads up!

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Quote:

Do you even own this watch?
surprise,surprise!!
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Yesterday, 05:28 PM
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Ok... Let's take all your personal comments to our PM system,& get
back on topic! Or this one is going to bed...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mdhorner

This is getting pretty stupid, but like a car crash....
with you there...this has run it's course...

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To GeorgeTheWatchGuy !!
Please George, put this thread to sleep already !!

It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay past it's bedtime !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol ........ Blue
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fourth evening in a row my DD #289/600 is running smooth as silk and the chrono hand resets
to zero as it should.
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Actually Ron, it's usually posts like your witty one liners that get threads like this closed. Also, if
you follow the IDGAS method of thinking then why should anyone care what you have to say.
Just sayin...
Quote:

At this time does a "Mine works perfectly" thread does not create a $*it storm, so the
answer is no!
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Quote:

Actually Ron, it's usually posts like your witty one liners that get threads like this
closed. Also, if you follow the IDGAS method of thinking then why should anyone care
what you have to say. Just sayin...
... and boom goes the dynamite.

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Quote:

Actually Ron, it's usually posts like your witty one liners that get threads like this
closed. Also, if you follow the IDGAS method of thinking then why should anyone care
what you have to say. Just sayin...
This one is history!!

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