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alcuemar Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 3:22 pm Post subject: ISOLATING 4-20mA INPUT SIGNAL USING IL300 Linear Optoc
Guest

Dear Friends,

I have read today that there is one possibility to isolate the 4-20mA
input signal using the IL300 octocoupler, I have read the application
note 54 from siemes but i have not too much clear the functioning of
the design.

http://crio.mib.infn.it/wig/electronics/Componenti/Siemens%20e%20Infinenon/Accoppiatori%20
20industria.pdf

My design require 8 analog inputs from 4-20mA, with the possibility of

to detect the broken sensor or short-circuit sensor, and out of range
sensor, so the option to do that without isolation is to put simple
shunt resistor for 220 ohm, 4mA = 0.88V, and 20mA=4.4V, so we can
detect the out of range easitly, the short-circuit will be 0V, ... and
the broken sensor will be 0 too.

How to do the same using the IL300 linear octocoupler, in the

application note 54 page 11, they equation to join the input and
output is Vo/IL=(R3/R4)*R5*K3, what is the value for K3??.

I have some doubt about how to use this design.

If someone has make something similar I will appreciate the help.

Thanks in advance.

Alberto

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Dan Hollands Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: ISOLATING 4 -20mA INPUT SIGNAL USING IL300 Linear O
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I think the circuit of figure 19 is what you want. It is self powered on

the input meaning that up to 4 ma of current is used to power the input. The
ma from 4 to 20 creates a 1 to 5v signal isolated from the input.

If the input is shorted, open or out of range the output will be outside the
normal 1 to 5 volts.

Dan

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"alcuemar" <alcuemar@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Quote:

Dear Friends,

I have read today that there is one possibility to isolate the 4 -20mA
input signal using the IL300 octocoupler, I have read the application
note 54 from siemes but i have not too much clear the functioning of
the design.

http://crio.mib.infn.it/wig/electronics/Componenti/Siemens%20e%20Infinenon/Accoppiatori%20O
20per%20industria.pdf

My design require 8 analog inputs from 4-20mA, with the possibility of

to detect the broken sensor or short-circuit sensor, and out of range
sensor, so the option to do that without isolation is to put simple
shunt resistor for 220 ohm, 4mA = 0.88V, and 20mA=4.4V, so we can
detect the out of range easitly, the short-circuit will be 0V, ... and
the broken sensor will be 0 too.

How to do the same using the IL300 linear octocoupler, in the

application note 54 page 11, they equation to join the input and
output is Vo/IL=(R3/R4)*R5*K3, what is the value for K3??.

I have some doubt about how to use this design.

If someone has make something similar I will appreciate the help.

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Thanks in advance.

Alberto

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alcuemar Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: ISOLATING 4 -20mA INPUT SIGNAL USING IL300 Linear O
Guest

Thanks Dan for your feedback.

I will test this figure 19 schematic in a new prototype, just i have

the doubt of how to calculate the Vo voltage depending the I input. I
have see the equation:

Vo/IL=(R3/R4)*R5*K3

But I have not clear the value of K3.

Thanks in advance.

Alberto

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Rich Grise Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 11:15 pm Post subject: Re: ISOLATING 4 -20mA INPUT SIGNAL USING IL300 Linear
Guest

On Mon, 30 May 2005 08:22:51 -0700, alcuemar wrote:

Quote:

Thanks Dan for your feedback.

I will test this figure 19 schematic in a new prototype, just i have the
doubt of how to calculate the Vo voltage depending the I input. I have see
the equation:

Vo/IL=(R3/R4)*R5*K3

But I have not clear the value of K3.

Thanks in advance.

From:
http://crio.mib.infn.it/wig/electronics/Componenti/Siemens%20e%20Infinenon/Accoppiatori%20
20industria.pdf
From the paragraph fragment at the top of page 11 -202, between equations (15) and (16), it
says:

Where: IP1 = feedback photocurrent

K1 = feedback gain

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IP2 = output photocurrent

K2 = output gain
K3 = transfer gain.

The value of K3 will be determined by the implementation of your circuit.

In other words, let the math mumbo-jumbo go to the bit bucket, where
all mumbo-jumbo belongs, and lash up the circuit in figure 19, page
11-204, and calibrate it by putting a known 4 mA through "line", and
measure the voltage at "output", and put a known 20 mA through "line",
and measure the voltage at "output".

In short, K3 = K2/K1.

Hope This Helps!

Rich

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Spehro Pefhany Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 11:43 pm Post subject: Re: ISOLATING 4 -20mA INPUT SIGNAL USING IL300 Linear
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On Mon, 30 May 2005 18:15:50 GMT, the renowned Rich Grise

<richgrise@example.net> wrote:

Quote:

On Mon, 30 May 2005 08:22:51 -0700, alcuemar wrote:

Thanks Dan for your feedback.

I will test this figure 19 schematic in a new prototype, just i have the
doubt of how to calculate the Vo voltage depending the I input. I have see
the equation:

Vo/IL=(R3/R4)*R5*K3

But I have not clear the value of K3.

Thanks in advance.

From:
http://crio.mib.infn.it/wig/electronics/Componenti/Siemens%20e%20Infinenon/Accoppiatori%20O
20per%20industria.pdf
From the paragraph fragment at the top of page 11-202, between equations (15) and (16), it
says:

Where: IP1 = feedback photocurrent

K1 = feedback gain
IP2 = output photocurrent
K2 = output gain
K3 = transfer gain.

The value of K3 will be determined by the implementation of your circuit.

In other words, let the math mumbo-jumbo go to the bit bucket, where
all mumbo-jumbo belongs, and lash up the circuit in figure 19, page
11 -204, and calibrate it by putting a known 4 mA through "line", and
measure the voltage at "output", and put a known 20 mA through "line",
and measure the voltage at "output".

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In short, K3 = K2/K1.

Hope This Helps!

Rich

"The remaining variable is the IL300’s transfer gain, K3. The part to
part variation of the transfer gain offers (sic) a range of 0.56 to
1.53"

K3 is a datasheet parameter. Nominally it's 1.0 (the ratio of the

small currents you get out of the two photodiodes) but it could be
anywhere between 0.56 and 1.65, according to the data sheet (0.56 and
1.53 sez the AN, but that's suspect).

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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