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If a 73 year old can fast for us why cant we support him by observing one day
fast?
If one has won the election it doesn't mean that he has license to do anything
that people don't want.
We want you to take care of us but since you have not taken care of that is why
this anger (addressing all politicians through Renuka Chaudhary)
If we do not pay our taxes it will be doubled in one year (on delay of years of
Lokpal bill).
Renuka
We respect Anna but tomorrow someone from Andhra will stand up and ask
government to do something.
Aryama Sundaram - 3 important things (about entire movement)
1 How history repeats itself. Cesar was only afraid of Mob of Rome.
Abhay Aima
I know I am not a politician but let me speak (To Renuka on her interruption)
Pritish Nandy
I am not convinced that we are not the same side (on Renukka's
comment that we are on the same side). I have been in journalism for
forty years but have never seen something like this. I came to
journalism because I see emergency happen.
Shahshank, Bnaglore
India Belongs to youth. If youth doesn't come and join this movement who else
would
Aamir Khan
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/aamir-khans-letter-to-anna-hazare-96871
Tavleen Singh
Even NGOs are corrupt and NGO's do not represent civil society.
( Tavleen Singh and Abhishek Manu Singhvi have a view that The task of making
laws is of legislative assembly and not of people. Let us take an example of a
person who is seriously ill or wounded and no doctor is attending him for quite a
long time. Tired with neglect when he tries to treat himself all the doctors jump
on him and allege him for usurping rights of doctors. They brand him as
irresponsible because he is trying to treat himself which is not his assigned job or
area of specialization!)
A volunteer-
Wear the T-Shirt with slogan MERA NETA CHOR HAI until the bill is passed.
http://www.chetanbhagat.com/2011/04/mera-neta-chor-hai/
Chetan Bhagat
India is not a democracy. You were taught wrong thing in schools. India is an
elected monarchy.
Satyavrat Chaturvedi
Swami Agnivesh
Agreed, but the one who does not speak about a corrupt fellow politician is also
chor (thief).
Counter arguments-
• A corrupt official on same lines shall tell UPSC (or State PSC) has selected
me. If you want to change things go and get selected by PSC and only
then you get authority to question).
• An MP/MLA does not represent entire country neither s/he represents all
MP/MLA or all political parties. Moreover, even in he/his constituency s/he
does not represent each and every one. S/he gets only about 20%
votes(only about 40-60% voters come to vote).
• How can an MP/MLA claim that each word uttered by her/him bears
endorsement of all people s/he represents.
http://openthemagazine.com/article/voices/the-anna-hazare-show
Manu Joseph
"But there is much that is not evident on television. As this column goes to press
on the second day of the fast, the number of people at his protest in Delhi is
just around 300, including journalists. They are on a 50 metre stretch of
a roadside that is between a public urinal and a wall. ........................"
Counter arguments:
• How someone else can steal the show? Can one not take patent or copy
right of exposing corruption? This journalist had worked so hard to expose
corruption. How can someone do this to him!
• A person who has never seen death from close quarter cannot imagine
thought process of one who has experienced it. All lessons are not learned
in four walls of high ranked colleges.
• Read real story of Anna after the derogatory write-up about Anna
http://blogs.siliconindia.com/adventurecamping/Anna_Hazare_The_Indian_Army_
veteran_NKDvr_Anna_Hazare_of_65_Indo_Pak_War-bid-vxuYHOil67777345.html
http://www.annahazare.org/biography.html
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/who-is-anna-hazare-96883?from=NDTV
• I hope you are wise enough to read the lines and read between the lines in
write up of Manu Joseph. See the attempt to highlight "driver". Elitist mind
set cannot easily digest as to how a driver be so wise to lead an
intellectual sounding movement and how can elitist, urban people, literate
can follow this person with ordinary background and lineage to lead them!
After all Gandhi was a barrister but this man was just a driver!
• Journalists should ideally report and not judge the events through their
own narrow vision.
(People have given a historical slap on the face of custodians of corrupt who tried
to undermine the people's emotions by coming in large numbers on 8th April.
Thanks Mr. Joseph for your instigative write-up.)
जजजज ज जजजज जजजज जज जजज जजजजजज Padhi padhi ke pathr bhaye likhi
जजजजज। bhaye jun eent.
जजज जजज जजजजज जज जजजज जजजज जज Kabir antar prem kaye lagiye
जजजजज।। nek na cheent
Jati na poocho sadhu ki pooch lijiye
gyan जजज.जजज जज जजजजज जजजज जजजज जजज जज
Mol karo talwar ka pada rahne do
जजज
myan
Translation- जजजज जजजज जजजजज जजज जजजजज जजज ज
Let's not go into antecedents of a जजजज
austere, ask what he know,
value what is within,
do not get distracted by what is
external
"Sometimes a sense of unbridled virtue can also subvert democracy. The agitation by
civil society activists over the Jan Lokpal Bill is a reminder of this uncomfortable
truth. There is a great deal of justified consternation over corruption. The obduracy of
the political leadership is testing the patience of citizens. But the movement behind
the Jan Lokpal Bill is crossing the lines of reasonableness. It is premised on an institutional
imagination that is at best naïve; at worst subversive of representative democracy.
The morality of fasting unto death for a political cause in a constitutional democracy has always been
a tricky issue. There is something deeply coercive about fasting unto death. When it is tied to an
unparalleled moral eminence, as it is in the case of Anna Hazare, it amounts to blackmail. There may
be circumstances, where the tyranny of government is so oppressive, or the moral cause at stake so
vital that some such method of protest is called for. But in a functioning constitutional democracy, not
having one’s preferred institutional solution to a problem accepted, does not constitute a sufficient
reason for the exercise of such coercive moral power. This is not the place to debate when a fast-unto-
death is appropriate. But B.R. Ambedkar was surely right, in one of his greatest speeches, to warn that
recourse to such methods was opening up a democracy to the “grammar of anarchy”.
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(Where was this great man when all the money was being siphoned, when Jats
and Gujjars were sitting on rail track?)
General Argument: One may also say that the Lokpal will not come from Moon.
The bill will not have any impact of gross corruption in India but that is not the
reason for not doing anything. Is it not true that in spite of having meals we will
be hungry again after a few hours but does that stop us from having our meals?
We can keep fighting till our last breath.
Are people with Anna Hazare. What if he betrays our expectations? Is he doing
this for some of his political aspirations?
I don't think this is the issue right now. People are apparently with Hazare but
they are certainly with a fair India, they are for a corruption free India. If you
promise them a corruption free India the same people with you as well.
Politicians of all major parties have failed to capitalize on this sentiment of India.
They are not at all in synch with the people of India).
A placard at Delhi
25 Kodas = 1 Kalmadi
4 Kalmadis = 1 Raja
(Some believe that Anna's movement is anti politician tirade. Who said it? The
movement is against corruption. Are politicians and corruption sound
synonymous to some?)
(True corrupt people are allowed to run a parallel government and parallel offices
but people are not allowed to raise a demanded to politicians who have not
attended the issue for 64 years. They are raising issues related to procedure)
8th April 2011 around 10 PM: Anupam Kher on tone of government negotiator Mr
Kapil Sibbal announcing government's proposal - It appears that Mr Sibbal was
also amongst the persons who were sitting on fast.
Lehron se Darkar nauka par nahin hoti, लहरो से डर कर नौका पार नही होती,
koshish karne walon ki haar nahin hoti कोिशश करने वालो की कभी हार नही होती।
ननही चीटी जब दाना लेकर चलती है,
Nanhi cheenti jab daana lekar chalti hai, चढती दीवारो पर, सौ बार िफसलती है।
chadhti deewaron par, sau bar phisalti hai. मन का िवशास रगो मे साहस भरता है,
Man ka vishwas ragon mein saahas bharta hai, चढकर िगरना, िगरकर चढना न अखरता है।
chadhkar girna, girkar chadhna na akharta hai. आिखर उसकी मेहनत बेकार नही होती,
Akhir uski mehnat bekar nahin hoti, कोिशश करने वालो की कभी हार नही होती।
koshish karne walon ki haar nahin hoti.
The translation: हहहहहहहहह हहहहह
You cannot take your boat across the sea
If you are afraid of the waves,
The one who tries Never fails. Harivansh Rai Bacchan
The tiny ant carries a small grain in its mouth,
Climbs up on the wall, slips and falls a hundred
times,
The determination in the mind fills your body
with courage,
Then climbing up and falling down does not
hurt,
Ultimately, its efforts do not go waste,
The one who tries never fails.
Rishi Kapur
Agar inke man main chor nheen hai to dar kis baat ka hai?
"Jai Prakash Narayan has come and gone but the corruption is with us."
Shri Hartosh Singh Bal (Journalist) and Meenakshi Lekhi (Supreme Court
advocate) were not apparently very happy in a penal discussion. Meenakshi had
doubts on integrity of people around Anna Hazare. She said that for two days she
was with the movement. She adds- When people say Anna did it- I am not sure.
Rest of the panelists tried to convince them on the assumed victory. They had an
opinion that bill is not end of war against corruption.
True, it will not at all be. May be we have mistake persons on both the parties-
1. Those who think that it was first and final battle against corruption in the
country.
2. Those who believe that all those who are celebrating believe that the work
is all done.
I have no grudges against the two panelists. They were cautious. I know many who believe
that if they celebrate the happiness will vanish (I refuse to believe that they were simply
jealous and were not against corruption. How can one who wrote this - Lies, Damn Lies
and Kapil Sibal be unhappy). It is true that mere passing of the bill will not put an end to
corruption. The corruption is going to stay. Lokpals and the ones who select Lokpals will
not come from moon. Even if they do, they will find too may irons in the fire .Then what
are new finds?
• We have got an opportunity to vent our feelings. This is very useful for
stress management.
• Those who believed that the fight against corruption was a mammoth task
and were not able to put the first piece of jigsaw puzzle in place have
learned that it does not take great wisdom or Herculean effort, but just a
sincere one.
• It had happened with Indian Cricket team. Up to a certain time the team
did not have confidence in itself. It did not believe that it can win. But
once it won the confidence grew like anything and victories started
coming more frequently. Arjun Rajtunga said on a TV channel that
watching Indian team win gave Sri Lankans a new confidence that they
can also win. The new generation has got a new confidence that they can
do something. Dear pessimists, think about the confidence of the young
lads who have participated in this event. They will return to their homes
with a great sense of achievement and also with the confidence that they
can turn the table. The generation of Devdas may be about to go. I have
closely watched college students. When their cooperation is taken in
tough and challenging tasks and when they succeeded, that movement of
success changes their life. You may be jealous of Hazare, Kejriwal etc but
just, just for a moment think about the moment of joy that these young
lads have got.
• May be nothing of that sort will ever happen. But dot you take a mourning
family to some function just for a change though you know that ground
realities will not change. If it achieves nothing even than a momentary and
false joy is better than frustrating feeling of helplessness. If promised
things do not come true we can always rage another battle with previous
success back in mind. Anupam Kher quoting his wife Kiran, told the
panelists' that some people do not know how to feel happy. A very good
analogy of World Cup victory was given by him. May be we have won the
cup but what about next time after four years. We have not won it
permanently. It will not ensure that the standards of cricket will go higher
since now. A rest a little fanfare in the night does not mean that the gang
will not get up for the next day's work. So Mr Bal and Lekhi throw away
your caution for a while.
• The nation has learned a true socialist lesson. People are not concerned
about the lineage, designation and education of a person who leads a
movement. People have become more objective. They are not worried
about who has given the idea, they are concerned about what is the idea,
what is the merit of the idea.
Joint Committee to Draft Lokpal Bill (announced on 9th April 2011)
Text of notification
“The Joint Drafting Committee shall consist of five nominee ministers of the Government of
India and five nominees of Shri Anna Hazare (including himself).
Anna Hazare, Justice N Santosh Hegde, Shanti Bhushan, Senior Advocate, Prashan Bhushan,
Advocate and Arvind Kejriwal.
The Joint Drafting Committee shall commence its work forthwith and evolve its own
procedure to prepare the proposed legislation.
The Joint Drafting Committee shall complete its work latest by 30th June, 2011.”
Events after formation of Lokpal Bill drafting commitee
Here are certain statements that have been given either instantaneously or
purposely to sabotage the Lokpal Bill. If spontaneous said these may be
reflection of mind set of our politicians.
1. Kapil Sibal – Agar dilli main bacche ke pas school jane ki koi vyavastha
naheen hai to lokpal bill us vyavastha ko kaise door karega? Lokpal Bill
will not solve problem of a poor person to get a bed in a hospital unless he
manages recommendation of a politician. (Anna: If Kapil has no faith in
Lokpal Bill he should resign from the draft committee). (is it an attempt to
alienate people from the movement? Does he not know that if pilferage is
stopped, there will be more money available to open schools and also if
there is no corruption a child will get admission in school without the
recommendation of a politician?) (N. Vittal in his book on corruption
writes- Corruption is anti-national, anti-economic development and anti-
poor. so it will certainly help poor.) Later Kapil says- Hazare ke saath baith
ke ek badhiya bill tayyar karenge. ( I remember a dialogue by Asrani in
hindi movie Parichay about such 180 degree turns in statement- Bhagwan
ne haddi bhi to nahin di zaban main)
3. Baba Ramdev (and also some others): Why Father and Son (Shanti
Bhushan and Prashant Bhushan) are in drafting committee as civil
representative. Now even civil movement is struck with nepotism. (Anna-
Ye prashna uthega, ye committee panch das sal ke liye nahein hai, agar
draft banane ke liye ek hi ghar ke do admi hain to kya bura hai? donon
pahale se study main lage hue hain. Kejriwal- By raising this question you
are demeaning their contributing, Are they getting salary or red light car?
This (father –Son issue) debate has been very successfully planted by
government media. They want pliable members in the committee. These
two (father and Son) are hard negotiators who are not likely to yield. I
seek support of media and people not to get in to this trap. We needed
persons who have studied the matter thoroughly. Kiran Bedi- What they
(father-Son) have got. This is not a cabinet position. The committee is just
for 2 months.
4. Mallika Sarabhai (and few others): Why did Anna praise Modi and Nitish?
Modi is communal.
5. ??: The banner behind Anna showed Bharat Mata that is worshipped by
RSS.
6. Tariq Anwar: Bill pass ed in haste will not serve the purpose ( I feel this
was the biggest joke-42 years is' haste')
9. One of my colleague on all this: Gandhi ji acche time par Mahatma ban
ke nikal liye, agar aj wo hote to unhe bhi controversy main ghaseet liya
jata. ( It is good that all this did not happen at the time of Mahatma
Gandhi and he was able to enjoy great respect and came to known as
Mahatma. If he were active now he would have been dragged in to one or
another controversy.)
11.If you have any other pretext on which the bill can be opposed in public,
media or Loksabha please chip in your contribution for this noble cause.
This bill is an attempt to destabilize the country. Corruption forms
backbone or the system.
http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/PUBLICATIONS/HT/HD/2011/04/15/ArticleHtmls
/Protest-takes-several-voices-at-Jantar-Mantar-15042011004008.shtml?Mode=1
a. FAST AGAINST JAN LOKPAL BILL Metres away from where Hazare and
his supporters fought for the Jan Lokpal Bill, Keshav Dev Mourya, national
president of the Mahan Dal, and his supporters are on a fastunto-death against
the bill.
b. Mourya called Hazare a `pet of Manuwadis' (followers of Manu, believed to
be a proponent of hierarchical caste system) and his supporters as
representative of a feudal mindset.
c. “There is an attempt to bring in rajtantra (feudal/royal rule) in the garb of
loktantra (democracy). The Jan Lokpal Bill is an eyewash, as after 63 years of
democracy, India would see a dictator in the form of Jan Lokpal with infinite
powers,“ Mourya said.
d. Taking a break from shouting the slogan `Anna Hazare murdabad', another
activist, Naresh Kumar said, “Why should the elite dominate everything? On
Babasaheb Ambedkar's birth anniversary, we find there is no representation of
the oppressed even in the Jan Lokpal Bill.“
13.April, 16 2011 -
http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/PUBLICATIONS/HT/HD/2011/04/16/Articl
eHtmls/Shanti-Bhushan-lands-in-CD-mess-16042011001008.shtml?
Mode=1
http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/PUBLICATIONS/HT/HD/2011/04/18/Articl
eHtmls/CD-DOCTORED-TO-MALIGN-US-SAYS-BHUSHAN-
18042011001026.shtml?Mode=1
“In the CD, Amar Singh has named a Supreme Court judge who happens
to be the presiding judge of the bench which has to deliver judgments in
two important cases, and this amounts to contempt of court,“ he said.
http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/PUBLICATIONS/HT/HD/2011/04/18/Articl
eHtmls/HT-relied-on-govt-lab-report-18042011012003.shtml?Mode=1
The agency relied upon by HT was set up with huge investments to fight
cyber crime. It based its conclusions on “waveform analysis“ done on
“sonic software“ that isn't available with any private entity in the country.
The equipment and software cost around R2 crore.
In response, an expert in the agency that gave HT the report said: “the
chunk of the conversation on the CD furnished to us isn't tampered with
though it could be a sub-set of some other CD. This does not in any way
alter our original conclusions.“
http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/PUBLICATIONS/HT/HD/2011/04/18/Articl
eHtmls/Bhushans-must-quit-Lokpal-panel-till-CD-probe-
18042011008021.shtml?Mode=1
http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/PUBLICATIONS/HT/HD/2011/04/18/ArticleHtmls/FIGH
T-AGAINST-CORRUPTION-Forgive-me-if-I-have-18042011008010.shtml
“Forgive me if I have been bitter in my letter to you. I am too old (97) and critical
of parties CPM and Congress for governmental delinquencies,“ wrote the veteran
jurist.
Gandhi had responded by telling justice Iyer that “like most right thinking Indian
people, I feel exactly the same way as you do. I spend a lot of my waking hours
thinking and working to improve what I see as a rotten system.“
16.http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/anna-hazare-movement-against-
corruption-lauded/1/135548.html Mahesh Rangarajan
Translation-
“Bright future awaits the honest. Shady past haunts the corrupt.”
Greedy eaters dig their graves with their teeth. A French Proverb
What Next o Anna's Agenda
2. Electoral reforms
3. Judicial reforms
http://www.scribd.com/doc/52311281/Corruption-in-Indian-context (presentation)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/52341429/How-a-Common-Citizen-Can-Fight-
Corruption
http://www.scribd.com/doc/52339831/Why-Be-Afraid-of-Lokpal-Bill