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The fact that you think Barbar is a good medicine for the likes of me...here is the Recent Comments
proof that you are out of your league. Obviously you have not understood what I am
Armentel 46 .70. 150.12 Yerevan ,
writing about ..You could only understand if you knew Turkish and the use a certain
Armenia commented:
word in the Turkish lexicon. sounds like macreau is the joke of the
century considering he attacks
armenians too
Having said that , why don't you post something , express an opinion about an
statement rather than harping on somebody without knowing what is going on? Anonymous commented:
I would appreciate more visual
From : Macreau@aol.com ..serj.bulanikian materials, to make your blog more
attractive, but your writing style ...
Anamadigim tek sey su : Turkler arasinda bu kadar okumus, zeki sahislar oldugu
halde arada bir ortaya boye sacma kisiler sokuyorsunuz . Bundan bir ara evvel de
Arlansas barosundan def edilmis, musterilerin parasini yemis bir kadi , sonra da
avukat Samel Weems birden ortaya cikti...baktik ki ...sizlerin parasi ile gene sizlerin
borazanini otturuyor....Vaz gecin...ama ata sozu.....denize dusen yilana
sarilir .....sizler de Tashji , Weems gibilerinden umit bekliyorsunuz ..
In order to justify the genocide of some 1,5 million Armenians during 1915-1918 ,
Turkish authorities and historians have repeatedly insisted over the last 96 years
that, if a few thousand Armenians died due to deportations from strategic military
zones in Turkey , the number of Turks who lost their lives due to тАЬ Armenian
AtrocitiesтАЭ during the same period was between 1,5 million ( Djemal Pash, War
Memories ) to 3 million ( East Uras,Tarihte Ermeniler ve Ermeni meselesi)
Thus, for each Turkish soldier killed in action, four others died of illness, mostly in
epidemics of typhus, typhoid, dysentery, malnutrition and frost- bite and gangrene
due to inadequate clothing and poor military leadership.
Now then , what about the number of Turkish civilians who died during the same
time ? No figures on this matter have been issued by the Turkish authorities and
probably no such figures are available. There is little doubt that many Turkish or
Moslem civilians died during the war due to epidemic and malnutrition, mentioned
above. Considering the condition of the average Turkish soldier , who was supposed
to have preference over the civilian in the matter of the availability of the sinews of
life during the period of warfare, there is a good possibility that the loss of life among
Turkish civilians was at least one-and one-half million. Thus , for each soldier killed
in combat, four other soldiers and about 15 civilians died of illness. However, as
shown above, and crucially, it is absolutely unfounded that these civilians were killed
mainly by Armenians.
The Western, or тАЬTurkishтАЭ Armenians were deported and largely killed between
1915- 1916, and Russian Armenian soldiers in the Russian Tsarist armies were largely
sent to other fronts elsewhere in the Russian Empire, until the Russian Revolution of
1917
The actual and direct cause of the terrible Turkish loss of life from ilness , among
soldiers and civilians alike , was the Union and Progress Party, the Ittihad, under the
autocratic rule of the Talaat- , Djemal.- Enver triumvirate .
The German General Liman von Sanders, who became the Inspector- General of the
Ottoman ariems in January 1914 found Turkish troops in wretched state. Officers had
not received salaeries for 6- 8 months , while their soldiers had not been paid for
years, were undernourished, their uniforms and personal equipment in rags,
Alarming conditions existed in military installations and hospitals ; there were vermin,
filth, overcrowding; often two soldiers occupied one bed; a large number soldiers
died daily; sometimes, the wards holding ill Turkish soldiers were locked, and
Turkish physicians would swear that keys to these chambers were lost...When von
Sanders refused to accept this excuse and insisted on having wards open to him , he
found that these locked rooms were filled with seriously ill or dying soldiers .
It was under these conditions that Turkey entered the war . Professor Ahmet Emin
states in his work :
- - The Turkish soldier ....His neverchanging diet consisted of food both uneatable and
not even suitable for bodily upkeep. He was not protected from heat or cold, nor
from sickness....The Turkish soldier could never be without the thought that his
family had no means of livelihood ....At the beginning of 1917, desertions had
reached the number of 300,000. By the summer of 1918 the figure had reached to
more than 500 ,000.. Deserters could not go back to their villages....Capital
punishment awaited them the moment they were caught ..--
This means of course that to be a Turkish soldier was worse than dying under
military court edict. If this then were the condition of the Turkish soldier, one needs
not strech oneтАЩs imagination to perceive what was the condition of the average
civilian population.
- - There are no bonds left between the Government and the people. What we call the
people are composed now of women, disabled men and children. For all alike the
Government is the power which insistently drives them to hunger and death . The
administrative machinery is devoid of authority. Public life is in full anrachy. Every
new step taken by the Government increases the general hatered the people feel for
it ....The best orginized divisions lose half their numbers by desertion or sickness
before they reach the front.--
KemalтАЩs report leaves no doubt who were the real murderers of the Turkish
civilian population.
From : Macreau@aol.com ..serj.bulanikian
Re : [ TURKISHARMENIANFRIENDSHIP] The Armenian Revolt: 1894- 1920
( Documentary)
Ilkinbalta
Asagida uzman tarihci olarak gosterdigi tarihcilerin hepsi bilaiistisna Turk tezini
tutanlardir. Bu sahislar dunya soykirim uzmanlari tarafindan kritik edilmis ve gecmisi
tahrif ettiklerinden ciddiye alinmamistir. Bu tarihciler Turk hukumeti ile olan
bagliliklari dolayisiile acaba ne kadar ciddiye alinabilir/
Sanford Shaw-- - -karisi Turk, acaba onun etkisi altinda olabilir mi ?
Justin Mc Carthy ...Turkyede calismis, Turk hukumetinden bir cok oduller almis
vs.vs...acaba ne kadar objektif?
Norman Stone ...aynisi
Oburleri ise gene Turk hukumetinden ekmek yiyorlar....
There is nothing new under the Turkish sun . Not only Mr . Kirlikovali fabricates story
he also denies what 126 genocide scholars have found the blood on Turkish hands.
These world renowned scholars have succinctly exposed Turkish
malfeasance ..and ...yet here we have Ergun Bey spinning the same denialist yarn.
What is amazing is that despite all facts, proofs etc.etc....he and his likes refuse to
see the truth ....This is what a Devekusu ( ostrich) does....stick its head in sand....
From : Macreau@aol.com ..serj.bulanikian
Re : [TURKISHARMENIANFRIENDSHIP]
In all probability , the material which Wikileaks has on Ataturk pertain to the secret
side of his private life. That there is much documented in this regard is a fact. I have
myself read many reports by diplomats about Ataturk dating from the 1920s and '30 s
which would be worthy of publication in Playboy or Instinct. I must emphasise the
fact that the details of the private lives of public figures are, for that reason, not
private at all in their essence. What is private sensibly conditions human thought,
which, in turn , is the basis for making decisions, decisions upon which thousands of
human lives and historical eras depend. The factor of the private for politicians is
always a matter of import for societies in general and ends up having wide- ranging
influence .
As a result, a political figure does not and cannot have a private life. The lifestyle of
a politician is a voluntary choice, which each individual consciously carries out. One's
sexuality is one of the most important aspects of one's private life, and so, one's
sexual practices can reveal a great deal and provide significant information on a
person's internal state and thinking.
The first bit of information by Armstrong on Mustafa' s initial sexual life and
orientation takes place in his second year, in 1894, at the Military Cadet School at
Salonika (Thessaloniki ). It is here that Mustafa' s mathematics teacher who shared his
name, one Captain Mustafa, took the 13 -14 year old adolescent "under his wing" :
" In his second year one of the masters , a Capitan Mustafa, took a fancy to him". The
use of the phrase "to take a fancy " is an interesting move by Armstrong . That
expression may have a number of meanings - to like, to be taken by, to be attracted
to, to feel attached to, especially in sexual way. Also, it is this very Captain Mustafa
who bestowed the title " Kemal" - " perfect" , " beautiful" - to the young, blue -eyed
Mustafa.
In order to continue his education, Mustafa Kemal transferred from Salonika at first to
Monastir in 1895, and then to Constantinople in 1899. The young Mustafa Kemal dove
headlong into the nightlife of the big city:
" At once he plunged wildly into the unclean life of the great metropolis of
Constantinople. Night after night he gambled and drank in the cafes and restaurants.
With women he was not fastidious . A figure, a face in profile, a laugh, could set him
on fire and reaching out to get the woman, whatever she was. Sometimes it would be
with the Greek and Armenian harlots in the bawdy- houses in the garbage -stinking
streets by Galata Bridge , where came the pimps and the homosexuals to cater for all
the vices ; then for a week or two a Levantine lady in her house in Pangaldi; or some
Turkish girl who came veiled and by back- ways in fear of the police to some maison
de rendez -vous in Pera or Stambul.
He fell in love with none of them. He was never sentimental or romantic. Without a
pang of conscience he passed rapidly from one to next. He satisfied his appetite and
was gone . He was completely Oriental in his mentality: women had no place in his
life except to satisfy his sex. He plunged deep down into the lecherous life of the
city."
Armstrong 's next bit of information on the private life of Mustafa Kemal refers to that
time period when he was the military attache of the Ottoman Empire in Sofia ( 27
October, 1913 to 2 February , 1915): " He learnt ball- room dancing, methodically
with a teacher , and then danced whenever possible, but always as if he was on
parade . He frequented the drawing-rooms and tried to become the society gallant,
making love to the ladies of Sofia, but they found him excessively gauche."
Mustafa Kemal fell in love in Sofia with Dimitrina, the daughter of General Stiliyan
Kovachev , the former defence minister of Bulgaria .
However, he was rejected by her , " And Mustafa Kemal, touchy and sensitive, became
more lofty and aloof than ever. He began to hate society".
Avoiding high society, Mustafa Kemal was drawn more and more towards other
circles.
" With men - and especially men who were deferential - and with the loose women of
the capital , Mustafa Kemal was far more at ease. With these, in the cafes and the
brothels , he drank and reveled night after night far into the dawn . He gambled and
diced for hours against any one who would sit against him. He heaped up all the
indulgences and glutted himself with them. He tried all the vices. He paid the
penalty in sex disease and damaged health. In the reaction he lost all belief in
women and for the time being became enamored of his own sex."
The First World War began in 1914. On the 28 th of October, 1914, Turkish
battleships perfidiously bombed the Russian ports of the Black Sea, due to which war
was declared on Turkey by Russia on the 3rd of November, followed by France and
Britain on the 5th of November.
Little is known in general about the private life of Mustafa Kemal in the war years,
and Armstrong does not convey much either , for his part. One thing is evident , that
alcohol deteriorated his health to such a degree that he was forced to leave for
Carlsbad (Karlovy Vary, in the Czech Republic today) for treatment from April to
August , 1918, during the most heated time of the war. As Armstrong relates , he was
seen by the celebrated Austrian physician, Otto Zuckerkandl, who warned him, that
" If he did not stop drinking he would die in a year" .
It must be emphasised that the Austrian doctor was wrong ; although Mustafa Kemal
continued to drink no less than what he used to, he lived for twenty more years
nonetheless, until 1938.
After the defeat of the Ottoman Empire and the signing of the Treaty of Moudros (on
the 30th of October, 1918) , Mustafa Kemal returned to Constantinople from the
Syrian front. Despite his many efforts , Kemal did not receive any offices in the new
government . What is more , in staying unemployed , he rented a small house in the ?
i ?li district of Constantinople and gave himself to the pleasures of life. His only friend
in that period was one Colonel Arif:
" He had few friends and only one intimate, a Colonel Arif. Arif was a capable staff
officer trained in Germany. He was a younger man than Mustafa Kemal. They had
known each other since the days in Salonika and Monastir; they had served together
in Syria, the Balkans and Gallipoli . After the Armistice they struck up a close
friendship . They had common tastes; both were absorbed in all military matters;
both enjoyed the same loose talk, the heavy drinking and the wild nights with
women. Mustafa Kemal' s enemies said they were lovers, for Arif was the only person
for whom Mustafa showed open affection, putting his arm round his shoulders and
calling him endearing names."
Mustafa Kemal kept his daring and indiscriminate sexual life in future years.
Armstrong writes the following on Ataturk' s private life during the years 1921-1922:
" As long as there was work, it absorbed Mustafa Kemal' s every minute: nothing
could divert him. When work slackened, he grew irritable and restless and began to
interfere with his subordinates. It was then that with Arif and one or two other men
he would disappear on heavy drinking bouts which, with gambling, would last whole
nights ; or he went a whoring with the painted women of the poor brothels of the
town ."
Naturally , such a lifestyle had its negative effects on Mustafa Kemal's health. A
doctor advised him to "work and drink less, and lead a regular life with someone to
look after him". It was at that time that Fikriye Hanum came into his life: " From a
break - down he was saved by Fikriye Hanum. She was a distant relative of his from
Stambul who had volunteered as an army nurse and come to Angora. As soon as he
saw her , Mustafa Kemal took her to his house."
" She watched over all his needs. When he was ill, she nursed him . She was his
mistress and his absolute slave, for she was Turkish and oriental.(...) For a while
Mustafa Kemal was absorbed in her . But very soon he tired. He went back more and
more to his painted women, his drinking companions and his cards."
The life of Mustafa Kemal during the period 1922- 1924 is reminiscent of a classic
love triangle. In September, 1922, Mustafa Kemal met Latife U?akl? gil ( 1898-1975).
The meeting changed his life for a while. Fikriye was suddenly rendered superfluous,
a burden. Kemal had her sent to Munich " for treatment" in 1922. On the 14th of
January, 1923, the only close person to Mustafa Kemal, his mother Zubeyde, died.
Barely fifteen days after her death, Kemal married Latife, with whom he lived for two
and a half years. In 1924, Fikriye returned from Munich, met with Mustafa Kemal and
tried to discuss what was to become of her. The next day, Fikriye was found dead in
a ditch behind Mustafa Kemal' s house. The theory that she committed suicide is
heavily questioned to this day.
In a message dated 12 /3/2010 10: 33 :50 P.M . Pacific Standard Time, Kayaalp
Buyukataman@... writes :
SALOM
KBN
This question reminds me Turkish reasoning...Well... they were not 1,5 million , only
800 ,000. As if quantity changes the perception.....
In a message dated 11 /28 /2010 1: 09 :31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, newsrush@...
writes :
3) That is right the Armenian Ottoman population was not subjected to a campaign of
extermination (i.e . genocide) , but several certified Armenian traitors were sentenced
to death and hanged by Ottoman authorities, a decision perfectly understandable in
World War IтАЩs time.
You are so wrong . When talking about Americanization or Ottomanization you should
consider the premis. America being Christian ( whatevet that means), with all the
freedoms and without any pressure it is easy to become Americanized.
What about Ottomans ...OK if the genocide is small fraction of total damage what are
other damages? Now .if you answer it should cover ONLY but ONLY " loss of national
identity " nothing else.
In a message dated 11 /18 / 2010 9:38 :14 A.M . Pacific Standard Time , arabaliozian@
... writes :
You are so wrong . When talking about Americanization or Ottomanization you should
consider the premis. America being Christian ( whatevet that means), with all the
freedoms and without any pressure it is easy to become Americanized.
What about Ottomans ...OK if the genocide is small fraction of total damage what are
other damages? Now .if you answer it should cover ONLY but ONLY " loss of national
identity " nothing else.
In a message dated 11 /18 / 2010 9:38 :14 A.M . Pacific Standard Time , arabaliozian@
... writes :
Spending pleasurable nights in the Turkish army is more to your liking my friend.
Your disgusting innuendos neither diminishes nor can deny facts of history.
In a message dated 10/ 9/ 2010 8:34 : 47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time , Kayaalp
Buyukataman@... writes :
An expected answer
But in reality his pain is resurfaces when he thinks the pleasurable nights he spend
while serving in the turkish army J
In a message dated 10/ 5/ 2010 6:50 : 45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time , Kayaalp
Buyukataman@... writes :
AyasliтАЩs spending largely has escaped notice. Even some of the beneficiaries of
his money, such as an Ohio congresswoman, say they donтАЩt know who he is.
What is the purpose of this article? Is it to knock down ARF.? I am not a Tashnak but
there is no doubt that ARF has done many good deeds.
The only thing I agree that individual Turks are very friendly and hospitable. Forget
the masses , Turkish government has washed their .
Vahe does not know the meaning of "ABI "..it is not a title..It is the abbreviation of
Aga Bey which young boys call their elder brothers. It means big brother and most
youngsters call elders " aga bey " OR " ABI" ....It is not honorary title like Vahe
claims....thus , he does not know what he is talking about.
Vahe Avetian: I am honored by the title "abi" daily by the Turkish kids and
youngsters of the neighborhood, and believe me, it is not a word with which they
honor many. I can definitely tell today that my personal experience with Turks is very
different from the "official line" and the brainwashing about Turks by the Armenian
state, academicians, Diaspora, parents, grandparents , all kinds of authorities and
priesthood....
One who sees always worst in us and the other one is ashamed of being Armenian. A
Turkish proverb is very appropriate in this case . Those who know Turkish would
understand .
" TENCERE YUVARLANMIS KAPAGINI BULMUS "
In a message dated 7/ 31/ 2010 10 : 35: 27 A .M. Pacific Daylight Time , arabaliozian@
... writes :
" Productive human beings like Ara Baliozian who contribute to Armenian culture,
work for less than minimum wage for scumbag Armenians (Armenian government,
mafia, church , and business " leaders") who send our women to prostitute themselves
in the brothels of Turkey -- when not tying to assassinate heroes like Monte
Melkonian because they wanted to sell for profit the fuel that he needed to put in his
tanks in order to defend Armenians.... That's what Armenians amount to, today. I'm
ashamed to be an Armenian TODAY."
26.5.11
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