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3 2008, 8:28 pm

I am in the process of modelling natural gas being expelled into the atmosphere and then ignited however i have a few questions: Has anyone used FDS for this before and did it give reliable outputs? How do you specify a wind consisting of air blowing into the domain to simulate a wind and have natural gas being expelled from a simulated leak? When i attempted it the wind either consisted of natural gas or when i specified it as air it gave a numerical instability error after 1.5s How do you ignite the gas? I have isosurfaces dictating the flammability limits however when the gas ignites it does not engulf the rest of the gas but burns in an isolated area without spreading. Any advice would be much appreciated.

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3 2008, 8:45 pm

I have done this, but I have to warn you that it is a difficult calculation to set up, and we have no validation data other than Heskestad's flame height correlations. I suggest you first just create the wind blowing through your domain. Make sure everything makes sense. Then create a small VENT at the ground that ejects the gas. Set HRRPUA so that HRRPUA*(VENT area) = your desired HRR. This will be the default mixture fraction model. There is no ignition. The fuel and oxygen will burn on contact.
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Jul 10 2008, 5:01 pm

Thanks for the information, ive now got a sub model running. However the gas is not burning very well unless the vent with the HRRPUA is accross the whole floor of the domain and the gas is expelled at the floor. Therefore how do i define a vent/obst that will set fire to the gas realisticly? The gas is being expelled from an vent attached to an obstacle in the middle of a domain to represent a structure. If i put the obst with a HRRPUA in the same place as the vent emitting the gas nothing happens. If i extend it so that it is a larger area the gas ignites but does disperse properly as the obst is obstructing it. Is there a way to define HRRPUA on the same line as the vent which is expelling the gas? (instead of having two lines an obst and a vent, one with the gas and another igniting it) I have tried but cant get it to work. Thanks for your help On Jul 3, 5:45 pm, Kevin <mcgra...@gmail.com> wrote: - Show quoted text -

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Jul 10 2008, 7:21 pm

Please read the FDS User's Guide. From your description of the problem, it seems to me that you do not understand the different modes of operation of FDS in regard to combustion. When you specify HRRPUA anywhere in the domain, FDS automatically assumes the mixture fraction combustion approach. In this mode, additional gases will not ignite. I cannot explain all the details here. Tech Guide and User's Guide. On Jul 10, 9:01 am, Andrew <ajbasf...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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Jul 11 2008, 7:34 pm

Ive fixed the problem, it was not igniting on entering the domain as the MASS_FRACTION(1) was set wrongly causing the gas not to ignite. I was using this to ensure that the wind consisted of air. I now have two working models set up, one showing gas dispersion and the other showing gas combustion both with a wind blowing into the domain. Thanks for your assistance On Jul 10, 4:21 pm, Kevin <mcgra...@gmail.com> wrote: - Show quoted text -

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