June 2008 Threads

Been on this a site a long time and now I get UFO pics
June, 2008
The 75 most important topics as defined by member-flagging, that shaped the month on AboveTopSecret.com
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Table of Contents For June, 2008

1. Been on this a site a long time and now I get UFO pics .......................................................................................1 2. Sgt. Clifford E. Stone Answers Your Questions .................................................................................................. 1 3. Obama and the Bilderbergers -PROOF! ........................................................................................................... 1 4. Interesting character in my ER has me spooked ................................................................................................ 2 5. Need Analysis on this video of UFO's from Illinois (11-09-07) ............................................................................... 3 6. Blogger arrests hit record high ..........................................................................................................................3 7. Oklahoma Declares Sovereignty ..................................................................................................................... 4 8. Illegitimate Federal Government and the Rule of Martial Law in the United States ..................................................4 9. Don't Watch This Video...If You're Happy Living a Lie ..........................................................................................4 10. Global Economic Crash Late July! ................................................................................................................... 5 11. American 'Ultra Black' Reversed Engineered Projects ........................................................................................ 5 12. Hidden link at bottom of page. whatistheconspiracy.com ..................................................................................... 6 13. 2008 Barbury Castle crop circle: pi solved? ....................................................................................................... 7 14. UFO South East England 16/06/08 12pm ......................................................................................................... 7 15. Oklahoma Recalls Bill That Would Have Facilitated NAFTA Superhighway .......................................................... 7 16. Life in the U.S. is a joke ................................................................................................................................... 8 17. Terra Papers - I was there ............................................................................................................................... 8 18. Court rules in favor of Second Amendment gun right .......................................................................................... 9 19. Old World Secrets the Omega Project Codes ....................................................................................................9 20. WIN A FREE TRIP to Las Vegas With BTS MIX !! .............................................................................................. 9 21. Police chase UFO over Cardiff .........................................................................................................................9 22. USA Military Officers Challenge Official Account of September 11 ...................................................................... 10 23. Why I believe the Intergalactic Alien Council Exists!!! ........................................................................................ 10 24. The Metaphysics of Music .............................................................................................................................11 25. Former Senator Mike Gravel Calls For Independent 9/11 Investigation, Prosecution of Bush & Cheney ................. 12 26. What is the strangest thing you've ever experienced? .......................................................................................12 27. BREAKING! Kucinich Introduces 35 Articles of Impeachment Against George W. Bush! .......................................13 28. Alien Spaceships Around Stargate/Time Portal? Take Out Your Telescopes Now! ................................................ 13 29. Why they hate AMERICA ............................................................................................................................. 13 30. Did Mars Phoenix pop a spring, lose a screw or what? ..................................................................................... 15 31. Mars Exploration timeline .............................................................................................................................. 15 32. BREAKING: Prophet Yahweh TRIES TO TWIST Challenge to Summon UFOs For ATS and FAILS ..................... 20 33. Video: BANNED: How To Create an Angry American ....................................................................................... 21 34. Introduction to this Forum .............................................................................................................................. 22 35. JFK new video proof? .................................................................................................................................. 22 36. UFOs Invade Town In NT Australia ................................................................................................................ 22 37. Romania talks again: UFO caught by airport surveillance cameras. ................................................................... 23
38. UFOs over Liverpool UK - BBC news & several sightings ................................................................................. 23 39. A Very Scary, Very Disturbing Blog Post About The Coming 2008 Economic Crash ............................................. 23 40. Phoenix Digs on Mars .................................................................................................................................. 23 41. The United States of America is now a dictatorship! ..........................................................................................25 42. George Carlin Has Died ............................................................................................................................... 26 43. Aliens Eating Humans, Invasion DANGER... ................................................................................................... 26 44. Bush Declares National Emergency? why? .................................................................................................... 27 45. UFO over Southhampton 01.06.2008 .............................................................................................................27 46. Japanese invent car that runs on water ........................................................................................................... 27 47. The Underground Empire ............................................................................................................................. 27 48. CAPTION CONTEST #5 1ST "Knights" 2ND "sos37" 3RD "Rockpuck" MOD "Crakeur" ................................... 29 49. I've been taken three times, here's my story. ....................................................................................................30 50. Bush Plans On Attacking Iran Before Leaving Office!!! CNN Report!!! ................................................................. 31 51. Meltdown US banks within weeks says Fortis chairman ................................................................................... 31 52. The UFO-Alien Applied Linguistics Registry .................................................................................................... 31 53. BBC uncovers lost Iraq billions ...................................................................................................................... 32 54. Wikileaks Gets Hold of Special Forces Counterinsurgency Manual .................................................................... 32 55. US Government admits botched job of WTC investigation ................................................................................ 32 56. Rep. Dennis Kucinich motions to Impeach Bush .............................................................................................. 33 57. U.S. Food Reserves 'Tapped Out' .................................................................................................................. 33 58. Video: The Ugly Truth...The Ugly American (Highly Disturbing) .......................................................................... 33 59. I have awakened, and so can you. ................................................................................................................. 33 60. Doctors Cure Skin Cancer Patient!!!!!!! ............................................................................................................ 34 61. Mars Face Discovered Near Cuban Coast! ....................................................................................................34 62. NASA Forgot How To Go To The Moon!!! ........................................................................................................ 35 63. Even on Fathers' Day, Media Find a Way to Bash Men ..................................................................................... 35 64. U.K. to Begin Microchipping Prisoners ........................................................................................................... 35 65. Amazing Space Pictures .............................................................................................................................. 35 66. Canadian MP Libby Davies reads 9/11 petition in Parliament .............................................................................35 67. The Web Bot Project Predicts Apocalypse In 2012! .......................................................................................... 36 68. The True Story of the Bilderberg Group : Daniel Estulin ..................................................................................... 37 69. Why am I labeled racist for being proud of my white heritage ? .......................................................................... 37 70. UPI Reporting UFOs Struck Romanian Fighter Plane ...................................................................................... 37 71. Scientists have proved for the first time that nucleobases found in meteorite are extraterrestrial ............................. 38 72. The Blue Pill People ..................................................................................................................................... 38 73. Why has NASA never gone back to the moon? ............................................................................................... 38 74. Why Is Bush Helping Saudi Arabia Build Nukes?: Wall Street Journal .................................................................39 75. Believe I have found a crashed ufo and attendent ufos ..................................................................................... 39
Been on this a site a long time and now I get UFO pics
Created by: theukbloke on June 27, ags: 144, replies: 463
Obama and the Bilderbergers -PROOF!

Created by: jamie83 on June 5, ags: 123, replies: 386
Monday before last my ears started humming, and I just ignored it, but then my daughter (the biggest skeptic there is) said she could see an odd green light hovering over the river (River Thames in Hampton, UK) I took a look and at rst thought is was a helicopter, but the sound was way off, not the normal thudding but deep bass buzzing sound the lights were wrong as well. The lights were green with very bright white light that was much brighter than I could look at. I grabbed my camera and snapped the following sequence before it shot off towards the south (look at what the light did to my image sensor), the images are shaky as I had to put it on 1 second exposure (well the camera did that for me) as it was dark. I wanted to capture the image in context with the surrounding for you guys to look at. These images were shot in raw and the full exif data is attached to each image.
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this is the rst one cropped for better detail- look at those lights on the camera's sensor!
Now, am I saying this is an Alien Craft? Not sure, all I know is that is a UFO (to me). theukbloke
Link to thread: ...thread366944/pg1
Sgt. Clifford E. Stone Answers Your Questions

Created by: CLIFFORD STONE on June 2, ags: 129, replies: 1198
I wish to start this thread so ATS members and readers can pose questions to me in the proper forum. I shall endeavor to be as responsive as I can to any question asked. God Bless, Cliff Mod note: Yes, this is the real Clifford Stone as veried by an ATS site administrator. As always, skeptical inquiry and respectful disagreement are quite welcome, but let's please be on our best behavior and ensure that Sgt. Stone is afforded every courtesy in our community, because anyone brave enough to offer public, rsthand testimony and answer questions about these subjects deserves nothing less.
The main stream media is never going to tell you what you're about to read here. Please read this with an open mind and visit the link I've provided at the bottom of this post. James A. Johnson is the person selected by Obama to head his Vice-Presidential Search Committee. The main stream media hasn't told you much about Johnson other than the fact that he lead John Kerry's VP search committee. But why? Because James A. Johnson is a Vice-Chairman of a multi-billion dollar hedge fund and merchant bank, and a business partner of George Soros. Johnson also was the chairman of investment house Lehman Brothers. Johnson is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission. So if a powerful man like Johnson is Vice-Chairman of this investment fund, then who is the Chairman? Try Frank Pearl, who not surprisingly is also a member of the CFR. Even more astounding, Frank Pearl's biography on his own web site identies him as an active member of the Americans for Bilderberg group. There is now a proven, direct link between Obama and the Bilderbergers. What may be even more astounding is that nobody in the main stream media has reported on this. So now we know how an unknown African-American, a former street organizer made his way from Trinity Church in Chicago to being the Democrat candidate for President of the United States. He was backed by the Trilateralists and the Bildeberg group, following in the footsteps of Jimmy Carter. This is not speculation. This is not rumor. This is not some wild conspiracy theory. This is documented. And now we can understand why the main stream media has been obsessed with Obama's associations with Rev. Wrigth and William Ayers, and has been silent on Obama's association with James Johnson and Frank Pearl. Rev. Wright and William Ayers, and the "Michelle tape" that's been rumored are designed distractions to keep the public from focusing on Obama's associations with groups like the Trilateral Commission, the CFR, and the Bilderberg group. And by the way, the name of Johnson and Pearl's investment bank, which he founded in 1995? Perseus, LLC. And for those of you who might have forgotten your greek mythology, Perseus became a hero for cutting off the head of Medusa.
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Coincidence? There's no such thing as coincidence. On their web site they have images of Perseus holding the severed head of Medusa. Wait... did I mention that James Johnson is on the board of Goldman Sachs? Or that former Clinton cabinet member Richard Holbrooke is also a ViceChairman of Perseus? Or that that the Vice President of Finance at Perseus LLC held a similar position at the Carlyle Group? Or that the Managing Director of Perseus was formerly a Vice President at Enron? So for everybody who has fallen in love with Obama and who has bought into his speeches about changing the culture in Washington, know that you are supporting the candidate hand-picked by the most elite, powerful men in the world, who literally are members of the Bildeberg group. Are you sure you want these people in the White House? Do you think the masses who show up and cheer Obama have any idea of these connections? Go Here to Discover Who is Backing Obama "Frank H. Pearl (Washington, D.C.), Chairman and Chief Executive Ofcer of Perseus, founded the rm in 1995.... Mr. Pearl is also a member of the Board of Directors of the Institute for International Economics, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and is a participating member of the American Friends of Bilderberg. James A. Johnson (Washington, D.C.) is a Vice Chairman of Perseus. Mr. Johnson was a Managing Director in Corporate Finance at Lehman Brothers. Mr. Johnson was Executive Assistant to Vice President Walter F. Mondale, where he advised the Vice President on domestic and foreign policy and political matters. Mr. Johnson also serves on the Boards of Directors of The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc., KB Home, Target Corporation, Temple-Inland, Inc., and UnitedHealth Group. He is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, the National Museum of African American History and Culture, and the Trilateral Commission. " And one more thing. Obama also named AfricanAmerican Eric Holder to his VP search committee. You will hearing a lot about Holder because he was involved in pardoning Mark Rich and the two members of the Weather Underground when Clinton left ofce. Why did Obama pick Holder? So the media can focus on Holder's dubious past, and that fact that he's a black man, while failing to mention anything about James Johnson and Frank Pearl. I will promise you you're not going to hear one mention about Johnson being the Vice-Chairman of Perseus, but you'll hear about Holder and the Weather Underground for weeks. It's part of the plan. Edit: Fixed title.
[edit on 8-6-2008 by intrepid]

Interesting character in my ER has me spooked

Created by: BoulderMD on June 3, ags: 99, replies: 348
I'm new here and am questioning my wisdom on posting to a site such as this, but if I gain some insight from someone with similar experience then perhaps it will be worth my time. First, an introduction - I'm a doctor in an ER in Colorado (Boulder to be exact). The only verication I'll give is that our hospital uses a set of guidelines called Encore Values that are specic and unique to our small community hospital. We have several campuses including an original location and a new facility that has been open for a few years now. The following incident occurred at the former. If you need proof of my own validity you can easily gure out which hospital I'm referring to and simply call and ask them whether or not we use "Encore Values" as part of our mission statement. That should at least go some distance in giving me a smattering of credibility. As for the account that I am about to relate, I can offer no proof. I can only tell you what happened. Three nights ago I was in the middle of my shift and was having a relatively quiet evening, especially for a weekend. We were then given a heads up about a multiple victim accident that had occurred on The Diagonal (a highway that leads into town here). I took on one of the incoming and will describe the patient as "him" although I will say that it may have been a man or a woman. Because of HIPPA regulations I cannot reveal any information that may relate to his/her identity. I will refer to this patient simply as "scalp lac" due to their only visible injury. The patient came in and seemed to be altered and because a head injury was involved I had a nurse draw labs and immediately sent the patient down for a head CT. The results were negative (no bleeds or trauma to the brain noted). The patient had a particularly nasty scalp laceration that we addressed successfully and I felt we would probably send this patient on their way after our workup was complete. As I was reviewing another patient's chart that was also involved in the accident I was alerted by the nurse that "scalp lac" was requesting my attention. I went into the room and the patient seemed agitated although not altered as previously noted. As I entered he asked me if he could trust me. I smiled and assured him that he could. Patients from time to time need reassurance and I began to wonder again about the patient's mental well-being. I asked what was on his
mind and I pulled up an exam stool and sat beside him. As I reached out to pat his arm as I often do with patients he recoiled and knocked over a metal rolling table next to his bed and also dislodged his pulse ox monitor from his index nger as well as pulling the lead from his BP cuff. The nurse stepped into the doorway and motioned for security. I looked back at her and gave a nod to let her know that it was ok. The patient then stated, "Don't touch me. I'm hot right now." I assured him that no one would touch him and asked him where and how he felt hot. This is the conversation that followed: "I feel hot. I know things then. I know things about you now because I'm hot." "Where do you feel hot? Are you in pain? We need to get your monitors back in place. Is that ok?" "No. I'm hot right now. Don't touch me. I know things when I'm hot." At this point I was about to ask the nurse for a particular medication to help with the situation. She's a very good nurse and was likely well aware of what I was about to ask. And then he asked me, "Does your wife know about the green book?" At this point I turned and told the nurse to give us a moment. His statement had taken me off guard. As the nurse pulled the privacy curtain and stepped away, I asked him what he meant. "I'm hot right now. I know things. I know about the green book you got for her." -Continued in next post Admin Update: Many members have become highly skeptical of this story, and some have determined it to be a hoax. See this post for more information. [edit on 4-6-2008 by SkepticOverlord]
you wish to look them up. The difference in this sighting is that I could see small dots of light splitting off from the orbs as they lit up, and continuing on in the sky to repeat this again. The orbs lasted only seconds on this occasion, and there were about eight in all; most were caught on tape. The following has been recoded to wmv9, thus losing some quality; however the important aspects can still be seen. Any questions should be sent to *snip*" Video 35MB High quality Now this is what I know about the video so far: 1: The objects are not moving at incredible speeds, this is the camera moving on the tripod. 2: Someone FINALLY used a tripod!! 3: Objects are coming off of the bigger object in different directions. I personally think this is some great video! Hope to hear your input. -Kdial1 Correction to title: I originally said this was in Indiana, it is Illinois Edit: Changed date in the thread title to actual date of Incident. UPDATE: Improved Video You can download a QuickTime version of the video that's smaller in le size with improved contrast: UfoTapeShrink.mov12.16MB [edit on 19-6-2008 by SkepticOverlord]
Blogger arrests hit record high

Created by: Extralien on June 16, ags: 94, replies: 82
Need Analysis on this video of UFO's from Illinois (11-09-07)

Created by: kdial1 on June 19, ags: 97, replies: 108
I found this video on the MUFON website it was submitted yesterday. Here is the description: "I was coming home from work on IL-14, when I looked North above Grayville, Il and saw two or three of the amber orbs. First one appeared, then one came below and to the left of it. Possibly another, it's been six months ago since then. I continued to watch the sky until I got home. When I arrived I got out my camera and tripod. I believe it was about twenty minutes before I saw anything else. The description is exactly the same as my reports from 9/11/07 and 9/12/07 in Indiana, they are the only two on that date if
news.bbc.co.uk "More bloggers than ever face arrest for exposing human rights abuses or criticising governments, says a report. Since 2003, 64 people have been arrested for publishing their views on a blog, says the University of Washington annual report. In 2007 three times as many people were arrested for blogging about political issues than in 2006, it revealed. "(visit the link for the full news article)
Oklahoma Declares Sovereignty

Created by: jhill76 on June 14, ags: 81, replies: 306
" STATE OF OKLAHOMA 2nd Session of the 51st Legislature (2008) HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION 1089 By: Key AS INTRODUCED A Joint Resolution claiming sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over certain powers; serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain mandates; and directing distribution. WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads as follows: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."; and WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment denes the total scope of federal power as being that specically granted by the Constitution of the United States and no more; and WHEREAS, the scope of power dened by the Tenth Amendment means that the federal government was created by the states specically to be an agent of the states; and WHEREAS, today, in 2008, the states are demonstrably treated as agents of the federal government; and WHEREAS, many federal mandates are directly in violation of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and WHEREAS, the United States Supreme Court has ruled in New York v. United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408 (1992), that Congress may not simply commandeer the legislative and regulatory processes of the states; and WHEREAS, a number of proposals from previous administrations and some now pending from the present administration and from Congress may further violate the Constitution of the United States. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE SENATE OF THE 2ND SESSION OF THE 51ST OKLAHOMA LEGISLATURE: THAT the State of Oklahoma hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States.
THAT this serve as Notice and Demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers. THAT a copy of this resolution be distributed to the President of the United States, the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, the Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate of each state's legislature of the United States of America, and each member of the Oklahoma Congressional Delegation." PDF Document The last time this was done, civil war broke out. Do the members here think that the Feds will actually cease and desist? This is good, I hope more people who know more about politics can weigh in. [edit on 14-6-2008 by jhill76]
Illegitimate Federal Government and the Rule of Martial Law in the United States
Created by: jackinthebox on June 17, ags: 80, replies: 259
In this piece I will be providing documentation which shows that the United States of Americas Constitution, as prescribed by the nations founders, no longer has direct authority, and that the nation operates under a declared state of martial law. While it is true that the Constitution is referenced, and still alive in spirit to some extent, it is also true that it no longer binds effective governance in legitimacy. Sovereignty has been stripped from the people. Let us begin with looking at what it means to be a free and self-determined people. [edit on 6/17/0808 by jackinthebox]
Don't Watch This Video...If You're Happy Living a Lie

Created by: DimensionalDetective on June 30, ags: 71, replies: 135
Non-Conspiracy Theorists might want to skip past this one. But if you, like myself, question much of what is being fed to you by your gov and their Elitist stringpullers, and their propaganda mouthpiece, the Mainstream Media--Then you will denitely want to see this short doc. The global Elitists (Bilderbergers)
are pulling too many strings around the world right now, and more often than not, it is for nothing more then their own benets at the suffering of millions of their "inferiors"...They hand the rulings down to the gov and media of how to treat us "peons", and dictate world policy, wars, and nancial situations. How far are they willing to go to keep their "sheep" and "cattle" in conformity and obedience? Watch the video and be the judge...
(isit the thread to view linked videos) Link to thread: ...thread367528/pg1
Global Economic Crash Late July!

Created by: behindthescenes on June 18, ags: 68, replies: 242
When mainstream economists begin to sound like an average Above Top Secret contributor, then you know we're headed for hell. The word is out and it's dire. Think the worst is over for the credit crunch? Think we're in as deep a recession as we're gonna get? Haha! This was just a preamble. The chief economist at the Royal Bank of Scotland says the global economy is headed for a crash unseen in over 100 years, beginning sometime this July. Translated another way -- by the end of the summer, we'll be in full-blown Great Depression II. "Cash is the key safe haven. This is about not losing your money, and not losing your job," said Mr Janjuah, who became a City star after his grim warnings last year about the credit crisis proved all too accurate. RBS expects Wall Street to rally a little further into early July before short-lived momentum from America's scal boost begins to zzle out, and the delayed effects of the oil spike inict their damage. What makes this prediction chilling is the mode by which this will come about -- oil. The oil price surge will nally work its venom fully into the world economies by the mid-summer; ination will spike to headline-making levels; and then the mass layoffs come. Suddenly the Fed and other central banks are in a real Damocles Sword scenario: Ordinarily, the Fed would cut rates to spur growth. This time, with rapid ination, they will have to raise rates. That will not only choke growth, but will steepen the economic decline. Remember, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke is a "student" of the rst Great Depression, having wrote many studies, such as this noted 2004 speech, on the subject. His main contention was that monetary policy makers in the lead-up to the depression caused it by bowing to outside forces to increase the interest rate.
The market crash of October 1929 showed, if anyone doubted it, that a concerted effort by the Fed can bring down stock prices. But the cost of this "victory" was very high. According to Friedman and Schwartz, the Fed's tight-money policies led to the onset of a recession in August 1929, according to the ofcial dating by the National Bureau of Economic Research. The slowdown in economic activity, together with high interest rates, was in all likelihood the most important source of the stock market crash that followed in October. In other words, the market crash, rather than being the cause of the Depression, as popular legend has it, was in fact largely the result of an economic slowdown and the inappropriate monetary policies that preceded it. Of course, the stock market crash only worsened the economic situation, hurting consumer and business condence and contributing to a still deeper downturn in 1930." Translation: When the Fed increased the interest rate, it shrank the money supply, which shrank world output and GDP, which fueled depression. Today, he's in a real pickle: Does he stick by his guns, keep rates low, maybe even cut them more and risk an inationary spiral not seen since the 1970's, or perhaps even as bad a Germany in the run-up to WWII? Or does he bow to world banking pressure, spike rates as a way to strengthen the dollar and deate the price of oil, but risk spiraling our economy even further into the abyss? Ladies and gentlemen, this is the worst economic plight we may ever see in our entire lives. It has the wholesale potential to change the very fabric of our country, its institutions, its government and its role as a world leader.
American 'Ultra Black' Reversed Engineered Projects

Created by: jkrog08 on June 6, ags: 64, replies: 148
I have decided to start this thread speculating on what I call 'Ultra Black' projects.Projects that are well beyond the secrecy of even the most classied 'Black' projects.These 'Ultra Black' projects are almost entirely made up of extremely advanced reversed engineered alien technology.As the 'White' and 'Grey' projects provide cover for the 'Black' worlds projects,the 'Black' projects provide cover for the most secret of research and developement projects,the 'Ultra Black'world.These are the 'Cream of the Crop' so to say,the real deal,the things that even the majority of the 'Black'project engineers have no knowledge
about.The things that have no 'ofcial budget',the things that are known mainly as a 'need to know'for even the highest ranking military ofcers,the things that full knowledge of is reserved for the proverbial 'Elite' or 'Shadow Government'. Yes,these are the things that are what people see 'defying physics' outside of 'Area 51',these are the majority of the 'Black Triangles',some 'saucers',and some other 'UFOs' are,and what some government 'whistle-blowers' only refer to as "Things that would make 'Star Wars' and George Lucas jealous."These are projects that possibly the President of the United States has no knowledge of. I can offer no 'proof' of the following claim(s)only that mine came from a supposed 'Deep Black Insider'and things I saw seemed to verify who I will call 'X'. The following information was told to me outside of my former house in Tennessee around 1999,as were the following eye-witness accounts.The informant was talking to my step-dad and me(I was 13-14 at the time) outside the back patio.Yes there was Alchohol that Mr.X was drinking,but that only as they say 'Oiled his mouth more".I disregard the fact that maybe he was lying cause he was 'drunk' do to the fact that he started talking before drinking and only provided the more 'reluctant'information after ingesting some Alchohol.Also I veried some claims.Here is a brief summary of one interesting conversation we had: You have all heard of 'Pulse Detonation' aircraft before (ie;The Aurora).Like I said some call it the Aurora,I don't know if that is the actual term for it(the craft) but about 9 years ago I was talking to someone who claimed to be 'privy'to 'ultra'top secret technologies and programs.What he told me was that this craft that everyone calls the 'Aurora' and alot of the 'triangular UFOs'are actually one craft(a eet of them actually).Apparently it utilizes two kinds of propulsion (atmospheric and 'warp'(I say warp because it is the best way to describe the drive system)and is largely a hybrid of reversed engineered alien technology and ours.The craft, as was described to me is essentially 'driven' from the front(as in the alien drive system exerts force to in front of the craft to propel it by 'constricting space in front and expanding space behind it'.The inside of the craft has a total life support system and is able(obviously)to enter and exit the vacuum of space at will.For the 'conventional'propulsion for inside atmospheres it utilizes said {Pulse Detonation}technology(PDWE)I've also heard rumors(from another source)that the fuel used(for atmospheric ight) is some type of 'Hydrogen slush'.The source never mentioned to my knowledge what fuel was used.Apparently this craft was own to about a dozen military bases throughout the world per year on a undened cycle.I happened to live by one of
the bases it came to and every morning(right at sunup)for about 2-3 months you would be awoken by the mysterious roar of something sounding like a odd jet engine warming up(like no jet engine I've ever heard before) and then taking off.What was weird was you never saw it,just heard it(except one morning I did get a glimpse of something 'shining'in the sky,moving rapidly just after I heard the 'takeoff').Lets keep in mind this was a Air National Guard base that DID NOT house ghter jets regularly and has many 'odd'buildings,unusually heavy security for a National Guard base and rumors of underground facilities.I asked why at a national guard base and he said"Because people don't look there"which was/is a good point.As far as how fast it can go in space,I don't know.........I have heard 4 times lightspeed from another source.Again I'm not saying this is true,but putting it out here for all to read,what is the hurt if it is not true? Also on the topic of alien technology,my source said that all of the actual alien craft he had seen did not have a "denite shape".He said that they "constantly change shape to the best form for their 'environment."So that now makes me think that maybe why 'saucers'take that shape is the downward pull of gravity vs. the 'repulsion'from the crafts drive system.It apparently to me seems like it has some type of exotic (adaptive)alloy that makes up its hull. Also he hinted at an apparent type of 'mass manipulation' or 'mass compaction'where in the craft can look much smaller on the outside than how big it actually is on the inside.Maybe making use of some kind of 'dimensional differential'?I don't know if any of this is true but feel I should 'put it out there' for everyones interpretation.
Hidden link at bottom of page. whatistheconspiracy.com

Created by: Kellter on June 13, ags: 64, replies: 1008
I stumbled upon a new link at the bottom of the ats page. Where it says: ( The Above Top Secret Conspiracy Community Web site is a wholly owned social content community of The Above Network, LLC. ) The parenthesis are links to whatistheconspiracy.com. I hope I'm not spoiling anything, is this going to be a new game or a spin-ff website or something? If it is a new game, I'd be happy to make a post in the games forum or you could move this. Interesting,,,,
2008 Barbury Castle crop circle: pi solved?

Created by: godismath on June 14, ags: 59, replies: 158
Recently a crop circle appeared at Barbury Castle which astrophysicist Mike Reed noticed was a depiction of pi. larger image "On looking at the Barbary Castle pattern the ratio of the angles of the radial jumps is apparently the rst ten (10) digits of the mathematical constant Pi ( the ratio of the of circumference of a circle to the diameter) source" I found this absolutely fascinating, and wondered if someone was trying to tell us something. And even if it was a hoax, it's brilliant. As I sat there staring at this crop circle trying to nd different ways of interpreting it, I decided to open up Photoshop and recreate the diagram myself. Except instead of drawing lines, I lled in the spaces. larger image Notice that where the 3 starts, it's on the same line as where the number ends (4) on the outside of the pattern. I wondered if there was a way mathematically to connect the circle back to itself. After all, if the universe can do it effortlessly, then surely there's an answer in mathematics. Then I noticed something... I had only counted the area that I lled in. What if I were to count it's opposite, the light spaces? So I added the two numbers up... gured maybe 3.14 is just an innite curve, so it's needs it's "other half" to connect the full circle. 3.141592654 + 7.969518456 = 11.11111111 / 10 = 1.111111111 So if 1.111111111 = 1, then 9 skips 10 and goes straight to 11. Could it be so simple? A dual nature in numbers seems to appear when the 0s are gone. 1 2 even 34 56 78 9 11 odd 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 21 22 even 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 31 odd 32 33
34 35 36 37 38 39 A pattern emerges... Add 0s and the pattern starts narrowing after the rst 10 rather than continuing as above. Could this be it? A simple aw in our number system? Maybe I'm on to something, maybe not. If anything, I hope this can act as an inspiration for someone else to ll in the gaps.
UFO South East England 16/06/08 12pm

Created by: 123space on June 16, ags: 57, replies: 98 (isit the thread to view linked videos)
Guys ufo get recorded every day now days ... check this one out from Britain [edit on 16-6-2008 by 123space]
Oklahoma Recalls Bill That Would Have Facilitated NAFTA Superhighway

Created by: SystemiK on June 16, ags: 51, replies: 35
www.lincolnnewsmessenger.com "The Oklahoma State Senate voted to recall a bill that would have further facilitated plans for the NAFTA Superhighway to run through the state. There were fears that parts of Bill 1507, which dealt with Foreign Trade Zones, were tied to the superhighway which is to extend from Mexico to Canada. There were also concerns that this would lead to private property seizures through eminent domain. This is already taking place in parts of rural Texas with the construction of the Trans Texas Corridor (TTC), which is to be the rst leg of this superhighway infrastructure. "(visit the link for the full news article)
Life in the U.S. is a joke

Created by: slackerwire on June 25, ags: 51, replies: 354
Terra Papers - I was there

Created by: kshaundell on June 23, ags: 49, replies: 405
I'm only 30 years old, and in the short time between me being a fun loving kid and my current status of pissed off adult, I have noticed exactly how ridiculous America is/has become. We live in a country where.... We are shown basically real time bombing campaigns on TV, but people go nuts if a nipple makes an appearance. Where they bleep out words like "drugs" and "heroin" on radio stations. Freedom is nothing more than an illusion. Think you're free? Think again. People are arrested and sent to prison for a very long time for committing victimless crimes. People are arrested for possession of a certain substance that government agencies have been caught transporting Lots of feeble minded twist like to carry on about how "free" they are. These people must not pay attention to what happens if they forget to pay their property taxes. In a truly free nation, the government couldn't come take your house. We live in a nation where elected rst time politicians go to DC and are worth maybe a few hundred grand, but when they leave ofce, they are worth millions. Lets be honest here, most people in the U.S. are just plain stupid. They naively believe their "freedoms" and "rights" trump everyone elses. If they see/hear/read something they disagree with, they don't just ignore it, they cry out for it to be banned. They allow more of our liberty to be taken away, usually in the name of "protecting the children". They allow more of our money to be stolen from us by government in the name of "being compassionate". They allow the government to infringe on more and more of our rights in the name of "ghting terror", yet they continue to allow the jackasses in DC to leave our borders wide open. Yea, very effective "war" strategy there, leave your front door wide open. I could go on and on, but I think this might give the gist of the sad state this nation is in. Nuclear obliteration couldn't really damage us any more, who knows, it might be just the thing we need to start over. I wouldn't be opposed to it.
I have looked at some of the Terra Paper comments and speculations and would like to offer that I studied with Robert Morning Sky from 1997 to 1999 in Arizona and can explain many questions, like the style of book. Robert did all his own art work and printing and made those himself to sell to people who may be keen to learn the hidden history. He has workshop videos that will answer many questions, however at this time I am the only person I know of in possession of them. What I can offer is that Robert wrote the Terra Papers long before he had heard of Sitchen or became familiar with his work. He is a genuine Hopi and Apache Native who grew up in the desert who also professionaly does native dance and is a master carver of Kat'sina Dolls and takes great lengths to validate and document all his work. The Terra Papers is a story based on teachings. Robert's other works are history with references so people can make their own decisions. He has said many times, don't believe a word he says - go and nd out for yourself. I have done forty years of research and his work is one of the worthiest I have come across because it explains the real source of our existance and creator gods in ways we can understand. I did eld research with Robert and others into the canyonlands and looked at things not created by wind and rain and saw things and experienced things in regions where apaches today still keep watch in the skies. Has anyone checked statistics on missing children in the USA alone? What's that got to do with anything? Everything. I have read the Terra Papers a dozen times and still nd new clues because it carries a lot of ramications in its implications. Why did they create beasts to do labor when they had technology? Perhaps because Earth was a tattered Tiamat with unwieldy energy grid lines that needed grounding.... pyramids.... Perhaps because they were terra forming the entire planet and beasts were only one of many. There are answers for all questions which I usually nd only lead to more questions. Enki/Ea is the one to whom we should be grateful for our existance and freedom, albeit tenuous. For true seekers, Robert's work is worthy of a second and even third look. Regards - Karyn.
Court rules in favor of Second Amendment gun right

Created by: GradyPhilpott on June 26, ags: 47, replies: 288
ap.google.com "The court's 5-4 ruling strikes down the District of Columbia's 32-year-old ban on handguns as incompatible with gun rights under the Second Amendment. The decision goes further than even the Bush administration wanted, but probably leaves most rearms laws intact. The basic issue for the justices was whether the amendment protects an individual's right to own guns no matter what, or whether that right is somehow tied to service in a state militia. "(visit the link for the full news article) [edit on 2008/6/26 by GradyPhilpott]
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Old World Secrets the Omega Project Codes

Created by: 12.21.12 on June 10, ags: 46, replies: 869
Has anybody here read this book? What's it all about? I would like to hear from you if you have? What is all the hype about? These are a couple of the things I have heard about it so far. Somebody supposedly killed themself after reading this book. It has undisputable evidence that the US Dollar Bill is a map of some sort. It disputes the account of Jesus Christ or describes that many people who worship Jesus Christ are actually worshipping Satan.
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Police chase UFO over Cardiff

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www.telegraph.co.uk "A police helicopter crew gave chase to a UFO after it almost collided with their aircraft near a military base. The pilot was forced to bank sharply to avoid being hit by the mystery aircraft as the helicopter was returning to the Ministry of Defence base of St Athan, near Cardiff. The three crew, who described the UFO as 'ying saucer-shaped', then gave chase, getting as far as the North Devon coast before they ran low on fuel, it was reported. The police aircraft was hovering at 500ft and waiting clearance to land on June 7, when those onboard spotted the other craft hurtling towards them from below."(visit the link for the full news article)
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USA Military Officers Challenge Official Account of September 11

Created by: zorgon on June 1, ags: 44, replies: 140
USA Military Ofcers Challenge Ofcial Account of September 11 22 May 2008 "Twenty-ve former U.S. military ofcers have severely criticized the ofcial account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. They include former commander of U.S. Army Intelligence, Major General Albert Stubblebine, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Col. Ronald D. Ray, two former staff members of the Director of the National Security Agency; Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, and Major John M. Newman, PhD, and many others. "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the ofcial story, the ofcial conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It's impossible," said Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret). With doctoral degrees in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Col. Bowman served as Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter." SOURCE Not much to add to this one except that one name pops out at me in relation to UFO research.. Major General Albert Stubblebine, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
Why I believe the Intergalactic Alien Council Exists!!!

Created by: jasonjnelson on June 9, ags: 44, replies: 146
I believe that we can say with full certainty that there is a galactic counsel in existence, and that our fears of what lies out there are unfounded. I am writing this thread as a witness to multiple UFO sightings, and as a person who sees the idea of aliens that could communicate with us as a foregone conclusion. That said, I also believe that there are species and creatures that exist in parallel dimensions, as well as some Alien species that may have such a different chemistry or make up that they are separate from all other "races" in the Galaxy. That it is possible that not all species fall in this council.
So how can I say this with absolute certainty? Read on and I will present my case... I don't know how many of you are familiar with the term "prime directive"? This term comes from the ctional universe that exists within Star Trek. I am not a trekkie, but did read one of the books and have seen some of the movies. The term refers to the galactic rule of not interfering with, or presenting ourselves to, planetary species that do not yet have the "warp drive" technology. I believe that this was decided for multiple reasons, but the main one being the events that lead to such an invention would have to be the product of a mature and scientic society that had reached conclusions regarding the overall promotion of peace and advancement.. The point is, and I will lay it out, is that I believe that there has to be a plan for us that comes from the other beings in this Galaxy. That although some of these civilizations may not even register who or what we are, there are others who do. So here are the four points, as I see them... 1) Multiple Alien species exist. What does this prove? Well, we all know of Drakes equation, and using that, we can assume that there are thousands of planets where life evolved to advanced societies. Assuming all sorts of issues, from sudden ELE's to war, are overcome, there would be dozens, if not hundreds of alien species that conquered interstellar travel. This would have resulted in multiple species exploring the universe at once. And this would require a governing body, for trade and conict, etc. We have multiple witnesses here on earth that relate events that have different aliens, and different types of ships. From the Greys to the Reptilians, and then the shadow people and the others. If multiple aliens are combing through the universe, then it would mean.... 2) We do not have a plan for contact, but they will. Although there are probably a few government agencies that have preliminary contact protocol, I doubt that any major institution has a ground up plan for dealing with initiation to Alien life. I don't think that there is the ability to prepare for such a varying possibility. I will say this however, it is possible that we have already begun this process. But that only proves my point. If multiple species are roaming the galaxy, then they have already established protocol for this very contingency. They have decided the best ways to integrate said civilizations, as well as deciding the requirements for this contact. Other than the possibility of rogue species, and other dimensional beings, then it makes no sense that there are many species, and they have not contacted each other. And that through that
contact, they have adopted a ruling body that regulates such things. 3) We may be a pawn in an intergalactic political battle. A Missouri compromise of sorts. I will accept that some witnesses have seen what is believed to be conict between varying races. Although I highly doubt this planet has anything unique to it other than Man himself, I can see, based on our own society, that there may still be cause to interfere or abuse the greater abilities of the advanced alien race. There are cons in every society, as well as murderers and such. And just as we have separate parties in our own government, it is only natural to believe that there may be two sides to an issue involving our adoption into the federation. Not to mention that there may be warring sides in the outer worlds. 4) They are not here to harvest us or our resources. I think that it is safe to say that if all of our resources are around the universe, they don't need to strip mine us here on Earth. That is not to say that our volcanos or thunderstorms may not be intergalactic gas stations, but not in the conquering sort of way. And I won't put it past some members of the council, or other outside beings, to experiment on us. But lets face it. If we can almost do cloning, then don't you think that a superior races could grab a dozen or so people and be done with us? Why go to all this trouble of enslaving us? Anyway, that is it. I think that using this theory, one could go to bed at night knowing that "War of the Worlds" is just a movie. I know the thread title is slightly misleading, but can you argue with it? admin edit: Corrected title to more accurately reect the content. [edit on 10-6-2008 by jasonjnelson] [edit on 6-10-2008 by Springer]
The Metaphysics of Music

Created by: TechnoFan21 on June 15, ags: 44, replies: 121
Well, as you can tell by my name, I am a big fan of music. I love music, and music has been my passage into other realities, art, and inner creativity. In fact, I am listening to music right now, Justice's Phantom Part 1 to be exact; but what is music? Is it a bunch of random notes that when put in a pattern makes someone's soul soar? Or is it something much more? I tend to believe the latter, but let's look at the oddities of music. A musical note can be measured in hertz. Let's pretend that A is at 300 hertz. If you double the hertz, you get the same note, but an octave up. If you reduce the hertz by half, you get the same note, just an octave
down. Also, when you put the musical notes into a scale, if you have the right notes with the scale, almost ANYTHING will sound good, only if you get the scale right though: otherwise it sounds like s***. So, this is one way to look at music. The other way is much more mysterious, though. If you have ever heard a piece of music that you like, you have gotten emotion from it. You don't understand why, but you just do. There is a part of the brain that transmits musical notes into emotion, but if music can be transmitted into emotion, that means the brain releases certain hormones by listening to music. If that is true, then music could, in theory, be used to sculpt certain aspects of the body. Maybe you can use music to lose weight, or to become smarter. If that is true, then is music just a combination of different hertz frequencies, it is a key to the body. Yet, it does not stop there. If one's ability to use music as a body tool is very good, then maybe it could be used to open up certain metaphysical passages that would never be before reached without the music. I know that this is so because I use music every time that I meditate, and every time it seems to improve my experience. So, is music another passage into worlds that we do not know? Can it open the door into the subconscious, and tap into the information that the Illuminati has hidden from our use? Even more awaits in the oddities of music. How do we compose? How do we choose the right amount of hertz to put into certain combinations? How did Beethoven compose, while deaf? Well, that could only be explained as the part of the brain that transforms music into emotion, can turn emotion into music. Have you noticed that musicians are moody people? Or that their personality ts their music? Personality is controlled by one's normal emotion...If this is so, then it can be assumed that not only can music be the gateway into the astral realm, and many more realms, but that realms can manifest themselves in the form of music, like the way that emotion forms itself in music. So, music is the astral world, emotion, soul, body, math, everything. Music is everything. TechnoFan21
Former Senator Mike Gravel Calls For Independent 9/11 Investigation, Prosecution of Bush & Cheney
www.democracynow.org "Former Alaska senator and 2008 presidential candidate Mike Gravel is holding a news conference in New York City today to call for a new independent investigation into 9/11. Gravel will be speaking on behalf of the NYC 9/11 Ballot Initiative Campaign, a grassroots group seeking to place an initiative on the ballot of the November 6th general election allowing registered New York City voters to create a new commission to investigate 9/11.The group is looking to appoint between nine and fteen commissioners on the panel to conduct the investigation. "(visit the link for the full news article) [edit on 18-6-2008 by DimensionalDetective]
What is the strangest thing you've ever experienced?

Created by: Static Sky on June 18, ags: 44, replies: 497
I wanted to start this thread to hear about other users strange experiences. I've experienced a few very wierd things in my life, that still escape explanation. For example, when I was 7 years old I was less than 10 feet away from a lightning strike. I remember the blinding ash of white but don't recall any noise at all. Then there was the time just a few years ago, when I saw a UFO. Perfectly round, silver and silent. I rst thought it was maybe a weather balloon and watched it for a couple minutes, until it slowly moved straight up into a cloud. It was then I realised it was actually MUCH further away than I rst thought. No way it was a weather balloon. It would have had to have been huge. But this is mild compared to a couple other strange things I (and/or my parents), remember. When I was 3, we lived in a tiny community in Saskatchewan. One road passed through it, atop a pretty steep hill. You couldn't even see the 'town' until you crested the hill and were suddenly in it. Maybe 10-15 people lived there, all in trailers. There wasn't even a store. We were there for my fathers work in the oil industry. The road was paved and I liked to ride this
little 4 wheeled plastic elephant on it, right in front of the trailer we were living in. One day, my parents heard the loud screaming sound of a gravel truck locking up its brakes right in front of the trailer. Right away, they knew it had to do with me. They came running out of the house and saw my elephant destroyed by the truck. They were both relieved to see me standing at the side of the road looking on, stunned. My mom sais my face was completely blank and I was standing perfectly still, oblivious to her calling to me. The trucker climbed out of his truck and came running over. He asked me if I was okay and where my friend went. My parents were confused by this, as there were no other little kids around in the town, at all. I told the trucker that he went home. My mom asked me, "Who went home?" I told her my friend did. She doubted this but the trucker insisted that he saw me and another little boy running off the road just as he crested the hill and destroyed my elephant. When the trucker left, my mom asked me about my friend. I didn't know his name, I said I'd never seen him before (and never since). I told my mom he was just there and asked me if I wanted to play. I told him okay and he said, "Then lets play tag", and he tagged me and said, "You're it!". Then I chased him off the road, just as the truck crested the hill and then he was gone. One more quick one I'd like to mention. (Quick because I don't remember it at all. My mom tells it on rare occasion) The next year we were living in Medicine Hat, Alberta. My mom and I were traveling back from seeing my dad, just a little ways out of town. We stopped by this lake to stretch our legs. As we looked over the water, she sais I started to cry. Not out loud but silently, as tears rolled down my cheeks. She asked me why I was crying and I told her, "This is where I died." She asked me what I meant and I told her "The reman tried to save me but he couldn't". She said she was overcome by an extreme feeling of sadness and then an eerie feeling of fear. She buckled me back into the car and we left and never went back. I don't know if these things are anything of interest to anyone but hopefully they provide an enertaining read if nothing else and provoke other members to write any strange stories they may have.
BREAKING! Kucinich Introduces 35 Articles of Impeachment Against George W. Bush!

Created by: cashlink on June 9, ags: 43, replies: 59
www.democrats.com "Democrats.com Applauds Dennis Kucinich for Introducing Articles of Impeachment Congressman Dennis Kucinich is on the oor of the House of Representatives right now introducing 35 articles of impeachment against President George W. Bush. "(visit the link for the full news article)
RA: 14h 08m 28.5s Dec: +1333'42" Azm: 28140'53" Alt: +0709'47" Rise: 06:46. Transit: 13:34 Set: 20:22 From Muphrid: Angular separation: 0551'44" Position angle: +14505' Before we dub him as a hoaxer, lets get your telescopes and related equipment out of the closet and target the area to see if its for real. I dont have a telescope. So itll be great if you guys can help out! Truth or bust! Thanks and happy hunting! :D
Why they hate AMERICA

Created by: Agit8dChop on June 30, ags: 43, replies: 178
Alien Spaceships Around Stargate/Time Portal? Take Out Your Telescopes Now!
Created by: mikesingh on June 20, ags: 43, replies: 282
Why do people, get so defensive when we blame America for the problems facing Iraq and the middle east. Why? Its like its completely unknown to them, how we actually got to this position, and the lengths we go to, to DENY the truth. Lets look at a timeline of Quotes, that GOT us to this point..
I received an email today from Ted Anderson CEO of My Shield Corporation who claims there are numerous alien spaceships around a Star gate/Time portal which one can see near the Big Dipper constellation. These have been moving in and out of that portal since the spring of 2007. They glow bright RED, but are small and hard to see which means one has to be in a dark area away from city lights to see them. He claims that the number of these alien ships has multiplied of late and apprehensive that something big may be in the ofng. No idea how far out they may be. He didn't say. Some of the drawings which can aid in locating them are reproduced below:
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Breaking News: 4 hijacked Boeing airliners have crashed on the Eastern seaboard today, 2 striking the Twin Trade Towers, 1 striking the Pentagon and another crashing in a eld outside Pennsylvania
George Bush 2001 The focus right now is on Osama bin Laden, no question about it. He's the prime suspect and his organization.
For AUTO Tracking Telescopes: Arcturus SAO 100944 GSC 1472:1436, HIP 69673, PPM 130442, HD 124897, B+19 2777 Flamsteed-Bayer: 16-Alpha Bootis Muphrid SAO 100766 GSC 1470:1157, HIP 67927, PPM 130166, HD 121370, B+19 2725 Flamsteed-Bayer: 8-Eta Bootis RA: 14h 08m 37.5s Dec: +1332'47"
Osama Bin Laden Khilafah.com, 10 Oct 2001 I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed. According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what the U.S. Government has stated. But the Bush Administration does not want the panic to spread. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conict between Islam and Christianity FBI Director Robert Mueller In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper - either here in the United States, or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in
Afghanistan and elsewhere - that mentioned any aspect of the September 11 plot." - The evidence against Bin Laden, promised by Secretary of State Colin Powell on September 23, 2001, has yet to be made available to the public. Rex Tomb, FBI spokesman The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11." But George DIDNT CARE
documentary intelligence from Naji Sabri, Saddam's foreign minister, that Saddam did not have WMD. "We continued to validate him the whole way through," said Drumheller. "The policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming, and they were looking for intelligence to t into the policy, to justify the policy."
George Bush Oct. 14, 2002 "After September the 11th, we've entered into a new era and a new war. This is a man [Hussein] that we know has had connections with Al Qaeda. This is a man who, in my judgment, would like to use Al Qaeda as a forward army." Saddam even tried to discuss the accusations
"NEW YORK (CNN) -- CBS News reported Monday that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has challenged President Bush to a live international television and radio debate via satellite, saying, "As leaders, why don't we use this opportunity?" "I am ready ... to conduct a direct dialogue, a debate, with your president," Saddam was quoted as telling news anchor Dan Rather in a three-hour interview. "I will say what I want, and he will say what he wants." If Bush is "committed to war," Saddam said, this would be his chance to "convince the world." Asked if he was joking, the Iraqi president said, "This is something proposed in earnest, out of my respect for the people of the United States and my respect for the people of Iraq and the people of the world. I call for this because war is not a joke." The White House said it was not taking Saddam's debate suggestion seriously. " CIA director George Tenet Sept. 6, 2007 | Briefed President Bush in the Oval Ofce on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior CIA ofcers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam's inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail.
George Bush February 8, 2003 We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi eld commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have. George Tenet Sept. 18 Tenet briefed Bush on Sabri. "Tenet told me he briefed the president personally," said one of the former CIA ofcers. According to Tenet, Bush's response was to call the information "the same old thing." Bush insisted it was simply what Saddam wanted him to think. "The president had no interest in the intelligence," said the CIA ofcer. The other ofcer said, "Bush didn't give a # about the intelligence. He had his mind made up." But we started bombing anyway.
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George W. Bush, May 29, 2003 [22] We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll nd more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them. And after the public nally started seeing the truth, well he nally admitted what he knew ALL ALONG
George W. Bush January 28, 2003 Our intelligence ofcials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent. Tyler Drumheller, the former CIA chief of clandestine operations On April 23, 2006 CBS's "60 Minutes" interviewed Tyler Drumheller, the former CIA chief of clandestine operations for Europe, who disclosed that the agency had received
President Bush 2007 Bush admitted that the Iraq war is straining the psyche of our country. But he vowed to stay the course. A reporter questioned him about why he opposed withdrawing US troops from Iraq. In his answer, Bush admitted that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and had nothing to do with 9/11. And when we wanted the intelligence/papers/ documents/phone calls/emails behind Iraq? " WASHINGTON - The White House refused Wednesday to release in full a previously secret intelligence assessment that depicts a growing terrorist threat and has fuelled the election-season ght over the Iraq war. " " By DOUGLAS JEHL
Published: July 14, 2004 The White House and the Central Intelligence Agency have refused to give the Senate Intelligence Committee a one-page summary of pre-war intelligence in Iraq prepared for President Bush that contains few of the qualiers and none of the dissents spelled out in longer intelligence reviews, according to Congressional ofcials. "
Did Mars Phoenix pop a spring, lose a screw or what?

Created by: scorpio9gm on June 1, ags: 41, replies: 116
" WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Millions of White House emails may be missing, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino acknowledged Friday. "I wouldn't rule out that there were a potential 5 million e-mails lost," Perino told reporters. The administration was already facing sharp questions about whether top presidential advisers including Karl Rove improperly used Republican National Committee e-mail that the White House said later disappeared. "
" A one page summary of the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate, which concluded that Iraq possessed chemical and biological weapons, apparently failed to note the dissenting views contained in the full report. Notes taken by Senate staffers who reviewed the report indicate that the summary presented only one point of view, but the White House refuses to release the summary. According to Richard Durbin, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee: "We have requested, through the Senate Intelligence Committee, that the White House produce this document and they have refused. I think that's wrong." " So let me get this Straight We accuse Osama of 911, yet he denies it and says a secret government in the US did it. ]We Say Osama is linked to Iraq, but we dont prove it We then accuse Iraq of having WMDs, ignoring our own intelligence agents. We refuse to talk to them. We launch a war on Iraq We nd out that he DIDNT actually have WMDs, like we were told. We admit there wasnt a link, even though we said there was Then we refuse to release any intelligence memos, phone calls, emails on the subject.. because they are either LOST, DELETED or simply secret.
Did Mars Phoenix pop a spring, lose a screw or almost land on a shell or fossil by the landing pad. Ok I'm gonna stoke the res a little bit here before NASA does something stupid like smash, bury or grind this thing into the dirt just to get to there precious ice, if you will check out the pictures i have posted that have been coming in from the Mars Phoenix you will see something that looks like a screw or bolt coming out of the sand. NASA has failed to give us a good hires picture of it like they have another landing pad. They only seem to be interested in ice. Some one please wake these guys up and NASA or the University of Arizona and get us a better picture of this or at least a good cover up story that it fell off something when it landed or is a piece of the mars polar lander crash. See more pictures [edit on 1-6-2008 by scorpio9gm]
Mars Exploration timeline

Created by: internos on June 22, ags: 41, replies: 35
Launch: 10 October 1960 Name: Korabl 4 / Marsnik 1 /Mars 1960A

Country: USSR (yby) Result: Failure Reason: Didn't reach Earth orbit After launch, the third stage pumps on both Marsnik launchers were unable to develop enough thrust to commence ignition, so Earth parking orbit was not achieved. The spacecraft reached an altitude of 120 km before reentry. ___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 14 October 1960 Name: Korabl 5 / Marsnik 2 / Mars 1960B
Country: USSR (yby) Result: Failure Reason: Didn't reach Earth orbit After launch, the third stage pumps on both Marsnik launchers were unable to develop enough thrust to commence ignition, so Earth parking orbit was not achieved. ___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 24 October 1962 Name: Korabl 11 / Sputnik 22 / Mars 1962A
Name: Mariner 4
Country: USSR (yby) Result: Failure Reason: Earth orbit only; spacecraft broke apart The spacecraft and the upper stage were launched by an SL-6 into a 180 485 km Earth parking orbit and either broke up as they were going into Earth orbit or had the upper stage explode in orbit during the burn to put the spacecraft into Mars trajectory. ___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 1 November 1962 Name: Mars 1
Country: USSR (yby) Result: Failure Reason: Radio Failed On 21 March 1963, when the spacecraft was at a distance of 106,760,000 km from Earth on its way to Mars, communications ceased, probably due to failure of the spacecraft's antenna orientation system. Mars 1 closest approach to Mars occurred on June 19, 1963 at a distance of approximately 193,000 km, after which the spacecraft entered a heliocentric orbit. ___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 4 November 1962 Name: Korabl 13 / Sputnik 24 / Mars 1962B Country: USSR (yby) Result: Failure Reason: Earth orbit only; spacecraft broke apart The complex broke up during the burn to transfer to Mars trajectory. Five large pieces were tracked by the U.S. Ballistic Missile Early Warning System. The geocentric orbit of the presumed booster decayed on 25 December 1962 and the Mars spacecraft orbit decayed and it re-entered Earth's atmosphere on January 19, 1963. ___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 5 November 1964 Name: Mariner 3
Country: US (yby) Result: Failure Reason: Shroud failed to jettison The shroud encasing the spacecraft atop its rocket failed to open properly, and Mariner 3 did not get to Mars. Unable to collect the Sun's energy for power from its solar panels, the probe soon died when its batteries ran out and is now in solar orbit. ___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 28 November 1964 Arrival at Mars: 14 July 1965
Country: US (yby) Result: Success Reason: Returned 21 images " After 7 months of ight involving one midcourse maneuver on 5 December 1964, the spacecraft ew by Mars on July 14 and July 15, 1965. Planetary science mode was turned on at 15:41:49 UT on 14 July. The camera sequence started at 00:18:36 UT on July 15 (7:18:49 p.m. EST on July 14) and 21 pictures using alternate red and green lters, plus 21 lines of a 22nd picture were taken. The images covered a discontinuous swath of Mars starting near 40 N, 170 E, down to about 35 S, 200 E, and then across to the terminator at 50 S, 255 E, representing about 1% of the planet's surface. The closest approach was 9,846 km from the Martian surface at 01:00:57 UT 15 July 1965 (8:00:57 p.m. EST 14 July). The images taken during the yby were stored in the onboard tape recorder. At 02:19:11 UT Mariner 4 passed behind Mars as seen from Earth and the radio signal ceased. The signal was reacquired at 03:13:04 UT when the spacecraft reappeared. Cruise mode was then reestablished. Transmission of the taped images to Earth began about 8.5 hours after signal reacquisition and continued until 3 August. All images were transmitted twice to ensure no data was missing or corrupt. The spacecraft performed all programmed activities successfully and returned useful data from launch until 22:05:07 UT on 1 October 1965, when the distance from Earth (309.2 million km) and the antenna orientation temporarily halted signal acquisition. " On December 7 the gas supply in the attitude control system was exhausted, and on December 10 and 11 a total of 83 micrometeoroid hits were recorded which caused perturbation of the attitude and degradation of the signal strength. On 21 December 1967 communications with Mariner 4 were terminated. First close-up image of Mars, from the Mariner 4 spacecraft
Mariner 4 image, the rst close-up image ever taken of Mars. This shows an area about 330 km across by 1200 km from limb to bottom of frame, centered at 37 N, 187 W. The area is near the boundary of Elysium Planitia to the west and Arcadia Planitia to the east. The hazy area barely visible above the limb on the left side of the image may be clouds. This portion of the feature has been enhanced in image m04_01h to bring
out more of the haze-like features. The resolution of this image is roughly 5 km and north is up. (Mariner 4, frame 01D) Mariner 4 Mission Page - NSSDC Image Catalog ___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 30 November 1964 Name: Zond 2
actually returned more pictures than Mariner 6, despite the explosion.

mar_7n12 Full size: MARINER 7 IMAGES ___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 27 March 1969 Name: Mars 1969A
Country: USSR (yby) Result: Failure Reason: Radio failed During some maneuvering in early May, 1965, communications were lost. Running on half power due to the loss of one of its solar panels, the spacecraft ew by Mars on August 6, 1965 at 5.62 km/s, 1,500 km away from the planet. ___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 25 February 1969 Name: Mariner 6
Country: USSR Result: Failure Reason: Launch vehicle failure The rst two stages of the rocket operated nominally, but a bearing failure in the third stage 438.66 seconds after launch led to a turbopump shutdown and re, resulting in the rocket and payload exploding. Debris was strewn over the Altai mountains. ___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 2 April 1969 Name: Mars 1969B
Country: US (yby) Result: Success Reason: Returned 75 images

Mariner 6 took near-encounter photos of Mars on 31 July 1969. Frame 19, 3613 kilometers from the surface, shows at-bottomed craters a few kilometers to a few hundred wide. High-resolution frames 20 and 22 show smaller, bowl-shaped craters, resembling primary impact craters found on the moon.
mar_6n02 Full size: MARINER 6 IMAGES ___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 27 March 1969 Name: Mariner 7
Country: USSR Result: Failure Reason: Launch vehicle failure Problems began almost immediately, when one of the six rst-stage rocket motors exploded. The control systems attempted to automatically compensate and the rocket continued to lift from the pad on ve engines. At 25 seconds into the launch, however, proper vehicle attitude could not be maintained, with the rocket reaching the horizontal attitude. The remaining engines shut down, and the launch vehicle and payload impacted the ground 41 seconds after launch, approximately 3 km away. ___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 8 May 1971 Name: Mariner 8
Country: US (yby) Result: Success Reason: Returned 126 images On July 29, 1969, less than a week before closest approach, JPL lost contact with Mariner 7. They regained the signal via the backup low-gain antenna and were able to start using the high gain antenna again shortly after Mariner 6's close encounter. It was later determined a battery onboard Mariner 7 had exploded. Based on the observations made by Mariner 6, Mariner 7 was reprogrammed in ight to take further observations of areas of interest and
Country: US Result: Failure Reason: Launch failure The main Centaur engine was ignited 265 seconds after launch, but the upper stage began to oscillate in pitch and tumbled out of control. The Centaur stage shut down 365 seconds after launch due to starvation caused by the tumbling. The Centaur and spacecraft payload separated and re-entered the Earth's atmosphere approximately 1500 km downrange and fell into the Atlantic Ocean about 560 km north of Puerto Rico.
___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 10 May 1971 Name: Cosmos 419

Country: USSR Result: Failure Reason: Achieved Earth orbit only The SL-12/D-1-e Proton booster successfully put the spacecraft into low earth parking orbit (174 km x 159 km) with an inclination of 51.4 degrees. However, the Block D stage 4 then failed due to a bad ignition timer setting: the timer, intended to start ignition 1.5 hours after orbit was reached, had been erroneously set for 1.5 years. The orbit subsequently decayed and the spacecraft re-entered Earth's atmosphere 2 days later on 12 May 1971. ___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 19 May 1971 Name: Mars 2 Orbiter/Lander
with the lander or the communications relay on the orbiter. Note: in according to other versions of the facts, the phototelevision cameras on Mars-3 were functional after the dust storm which caused the black-out. At least four photographic surveys have been reported (Dec 12, 14, Feb 28, Mar 12). Images were returned by pulse-code modulation over the decimeter-band telemetry channel, after the centimeter-band pulseposition modulation system failed. Source:
Atmospheric Edge
Mountains in Equatorial Region

Country: USSR Result: Failure Reason: Orbiter arrived, but no useful data and Lander destroyed After entering the atmosphere at approximately 6 km/ s, the descent system on the module malfunctioned, possibly because the angle of entry was too steep. The descent sequence did not operate as planned and the parachute did not deploy. The lander crashed at 4 N, 47 W. Mars 2 was the rst manmade object to reach the surface of Mars. ___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 28 May 1971 Name: Mars 3 Orbiter/Lander
Signal from mars-3 Lander MARS 3 IMAGES MORE MARS 3 IMAGES ___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 30 May 1971 Name: Mariner 9
Country: US Result: Success Reason: Returned 7,329 images Mariner 9 was launched toward Mars on May 30, 1971 from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station and reached the planet on November 13 of the same year, becoming the rst spacecraft to orbit another planet only narrowly beating Soviet Mars 2 and Mars 3, which both arrived within a month. After months of duststorms it managed to send back surprisingly clear pictures of the surface.
Country: USSR Result: Success Reason: Orbiter obtained approximately 8 months of data and lander landed safely, but only 20 seconds of data Mars 3 descent module was released at 09:14 UT on December 2, 1971, 4 hours 35 minutes before reaching Mars. The descent module entered the Martian atmosphere at roughly 5.7 km/s. Through aerodynamic braking, parachutes, and retrorockets, the lander achieved a soft landing at 45 S, 158 W and began operations. After 14.5 seconds, at 13:52:25, transmission on both data channels stopped for unknown reasons and no further signals were received at Earth from the martian surface. It is not known whether the fault originated
The labyrinth area of western Valles Marineris on Mars Mariner 9 view of the labyrinth at the western end of Vallis Marineris on Mars. Linear graben, grooves, and crater chains dominate this region, along with a number of at-topped mesas. The image is roughly 400 km across, centered at 6 S, 105 W, at the edge of the Tharsis bulge. North is up. (Mariner 9, MTVS 4187-45) Original image: MARINER 9 IMAGES ___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 21 July 1973 Name: Mars 4
Country: USSR Result: Failure Reason: Flew past Mars
The Mars 4 orbiter reached Mars on 10 February 1974. Due to a aw in the computer chip which resulted in degradation of the chip during the voyage to Mars, the retro-rockets designed to slow the craft into Mars orbit did not re , and Mars 4 ew by the planet at a range of 2200 km. It returned one sath of pictures and some radio occultation data which constituted the rst detection of the nightside ionosphere on Mars. It continued to return interplanetary data from solar orbit after the yby.
Frame 10.V (red) Frame 11.V (blue)

Optical-Mechanical Panorama - (optical-mechanical linear cameras) Full res: MARS 5IMAGES ___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 5 August 1973 Name: Mars 6 Orbiter/Lander
Frame 1.V (52mm "Vega" phototelevision camera) Full res:

Panorama 1 (orange lter, optical-mechanical linear cameras) Full res: MARS 4 IMAGES ___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 25 July 1973 Name: Mars 5
Country: USSR Result: Success Reason: Returned 60 images; only lasted 9 days [size=1] Nearly synchronized with the rotation of the planet, its two phototelevision cameras could be commanded to take 12 pictures during each close approach. The Vega camera used a wide area 52mm lens with color lters, the Zulfar camera used a telescopic 350mm lens and long-pass orange lter. Images were transmitted in a rapid 220-line mode, and then selected pictures were retransmitted at 880 or 1760 line resolution[2]. Mars 5 collected data for 22 orbits until a loss of pressurization in the transmitter housing ended the mission. About 60 images were returned over a nine day period showing swaths of the area south of Valles Marineris, from 5 N, 330 W to 20 S, 130 w. [/size]
Frame 6.Z (phototelevision cameras, February 17, Program 1) Full res:

Frame 8.V (phototelevision cameras, February 21, Program 2) Full res:

Composite 9,10,11 Full res: Composed by: Frame 9.V (green)
Country: USSR Result: Success/Failure Reason: Occultation experiment produced data and Lander failure on descent Contact with the descent module was lost at 09:11:05 UT in "direct proximity to the surface", probably either when the retrorockets red or when it hit the surface at an estimated 61 m/s. Mars 6 landed at 23.90 S, 19.42 W in the Margaritifer Terra region of Mars. The landed mass was 635 kg. The descent module transmitted 224 seconds of data before transmissions ceased, the rst data returned from the atmosphere of Mars. Unfortunately, much of the data were unreadable due to a aw in a computer chip which led to degradation of the system during its journey to Mars. " Data returned by the Mars 6 descent module allowed a prole of tropospheric structure from the base of the stratosphere at 25 km altitude at 150 K to the surface at 230 K and atmospheric density from 82 km to 12 km. A surface pressure of 6 mb and temperature of (230 K) -43 C were measured. Instruments also indicated "several times" more atmospheric water vapor than previously reported. The mass spectrometer data were stored on-board during the descent and scheduled to be transmitted after landing and were therefore lost. The current to the vacuum pump was transmitted as an engineering parameter, however, and a steep increase in current was found. It was hypothesized to indicate an inert gas which could not be removed by the pump, leading to an estimate of argon abundance in the atmosphere of 25% to 45%. (The actual value is now known to be about 1.6%.) The Mars 6 yby bus performed a radio occultation experiment and the results, in concert with results from Mars 4 and 5 occultation measurements, showed the existence of a nightside ionosphere with a maximum electron density of 4600 per cubic cm at an altitude of 110 km and a near surface atmospheric pressure of 6.7 mbar. "
Launch: 9 August 1973 Name: Mars 7 Lander

Country: USSR Result: Failure Reason: Missed planet; now in solar orbit. Due to a problem in the operation of one of the onboard systems (attitude control or retro-rockets) the landing probe separated prematurely (4 hours before encounter) and missed the planet by 1300 km. The early separation was probably due to a computer chip error which resulted from degradation of the systems during the trip to Mars. The intended landing site was 50 S, 28 W. The lander and bus continued on into heliocentric orbits. Launch: 20 August 1975 Name: Viking 1 Orbiter/Lander
BREAKING: Prophet Yahweh TRIES TO TWIST Challenge to Summon UFOs For ATS and FAILS
Created by: MrdDstrbr on June 16, ags: 40, replies: 422
Country: US Result: Success Reason: Located landing site for Lander and rst successful landing on Mars The Viking 1 Lander touched down in western Chryse Planitia ("Golden Plain") at 22.697 N latitude and 48.222 W longitude at a reference altitude of 2.69 km relative to a reference ellipsoid with an equatorial radius of 3397.2 km and a atness of 0.0105 (22.480 N, 47.967 W planetographic) at 11:53:06 UT (16:13 local Mars time). Approximately 22 kg of propellants were left at landing. Transmission of the rst surface image began 25 seconds after landing and took about 4 minutes. During these minutes the lander activated itself. It erected a high-gain antenna pointed toward Earth for direct communication and deployed a meteorology boom mounted with sensors. In the next 7 minutes the second picture of the 300 panoramic scene was taken. On the day after the landing the rst color picture of the surface of Mars was taken. The seismometer failed to uncage, and a sampler arm locking pin was stuck and took 5 days to shake out. Otherwise, all experiments functioned nominally. The lander had two means of returning data to earth: a relay link up to the orbiter and back, and by using a direct link to earth. The data capacity of the relay link was about 10 times higher than the direct link. First panoramic view by Viking 1 from the surface of Mars
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Viking 1 images
Hi everyone, I have just received the following from Prophet Yahweh in my Youtube inbox, after sending him an email via Youtube to ask if he will take the "ATS Test": ----from the desk of: PROPHET YAHWEH Seer of Yahweh Master UFO Caller Dear Sir, We gladly accept your challenge! Holy YAHWEH revealed to me how the next worldwide explosion would occur concerning Him sending His UFOs on my signal and the circumstances leading up to that moment. All aspects of the vision were cloaked in symbolisms, and we watched each one prove itself as the fulllment of that particular aspect of the vision. Let it sufce to say that all aspects, I was shown, and those the people close to me have had, about this same moment, have stunned us as we watch them all come to past. We hold meetings on each aspect of the vision: what each step meant, how it was to come to past in the fulllment of each segment of the overall vision, and how to manage the next explosion based on what we have seen. We were trying to see if we could gure out the symbolisms before they came to past. We got close, but all of the fulllments happened at a complete surprise to us. We have been waiting for several months for your challenge. Let me give you an idea of what the latest segment of the vision was that we have been trying to gure out and have been waiting for it to come to past. In the vision, right before the great UFO explosion throughout the earth, I saw myself talking to a black man about summoning UFOs for him. Suddenly, I turned my head to the top left corner of the vision and I saw a white man, with a business suit on, who had a hateful look on his face as if disgusted at the very thought of me. His name started with the letter S as in Scott or some other S name.
He was at a desk and got up and picked up an electrical instrument similar to a hand held metal or coin detector with a shaft down to a part that he stuck into the ground. On the shaft was a device that felt like it sent video through a wire. He stabbed the video device into the ground three times. Then, I looked back toward the black man and he was not there anymore. And, I looked back toward the white man, and he was not there. Then, I heard a signal that caused me to turn completely around behind me. At that time, I saw a view of the desert, and two major eruptions occurred out of the ground and a magnicent bright light came out of the ground and went up into heaven with great force and fury. I will not explain the various aspects of the explosion that will come to past and lead to holy YAHWEHs next UFO explosion through out the earth concerning me. But, I will say that today, I was to have started productions of a major UFO production with a black man who did not show up. Shortly after that, I received your email challenge. And, after going to the link to the thread, I saw where a white man, who seems to utterly despise the very thought of me, called me a poor dog, complete charlatan, and other things just as bad or worse in other threads. Then, I read where his name starts and S, and he is one of three owners of ATS. This stunned us when we realized that your group appears to be the one that will play some role, maybe, if we can come to an agreement, in the next UFO explosion of me throughout the earth. In closing, I say, once again, that we accept your challenge to call down a UFO for your organization. The reason why is because of the fulllment of the following elements of the vision we had that came to past: 1.) of a hateful white man 2.) his name had an S in it 3.) the number 3 was associated with him 4.) the desert was seen in the vision of him 5.) me talking to a black man right before the white man appeared 6.) the black man not being there as expected We did not know that your particular group was the one who was going to contact us. But, I knew that we were preparing to be contacted by someone like you, and we were waiting on you. Now, just like in all the other aspect segments of the vision that came to past, who it is that was going to
contact us appears to be fullled, possibly with your group. I gladly accept your challenge. I have been trying to post directly to your forum, but something seems to be wrong with it, in that, it does not allow my post. Lets start our negotiations on this wonderful opportunity as soon as possible. Until I can post to your forum, I will send my thoughts to you, on how best to conduct this UFO summons event, and you can post it to the group for me. Sincerely Yours In holy YAHWEHs Sightings To Come, PROPHET YAHWEH Seer of Yahweh Master UFO Caller ----It seems that Prophet saw all of this happening in a vision months ago and has simply been waiting for us to contact him!! :P I leave it to Springer and the staff to decide what to do next with this..... :up: [edit on 6-17-2008 by Springer]
Video: BANNED: How To Create an Angry American

Created by: DimensionalDetective on June 21, ags: 39, replies: 139 (isit the thread to view linked videos)
And there are STILL people here defending these PATHOLOGICAL LIARS!!! It does not get any clearer than this! The lies are RIGHT IN OUR FACES, RIGHT HERE!!!:mad::mad::mad: What the hell is it going to take to wake some of these people up?!? They are doing it all over again, as we speak, with IRAN!! [edit on 21-6-2008 by DimensionalDetective]
Introduction to this Forum

Created by: Skyoating on June 12, ags: 38, replies: 66
This Forum deals with a broad range of subjects many of them complementary under the headline "Mind" and will attract both scientic and un-scientic viewpoints to incite a wide array of discussion. Examples of some of the topics this Forum includes: * Consciousness * Epistemology or "The Study of Knowledge" * The "soft-science" of Psychology in its many variations * Philosophy old and new, east and west * Fringe subjects such as Mind-Control and Psychotronic Manipulation * The Study of Social Organisms * Well-being, Self-Empowerment, Metaphysics, Meditation Other Purposes: * To deal with the nature of truth/knowledge itself and how we arrive at those truths * To explore how we think, communicate, process data and information. * To discuss nightdreams and the nature of dreaming * To look at the nature of beliefs and the mind itself. * To discuss various methods of lifestyle & attitude * To provide a more positive and maybe intellectual balance to the overall controversial tone of conspiracytheory at ATS. * To discuss "the biggest conspiracy of all", the manipulation and distortion of perception and awareness as a protection from propaganda. * To explore: What is reality? Some Encyclopedic Denitions from Wikipedia: "Epistemology or theory of knowledge is a branch of philosophy concerned with the nature and scope of knowledge. Much of the debate in this eld has focused on analyzing the nature of knowledge and how it relates to similar notions such as truth, belief, and justication. It also deals with the means of production of knowledge. In other words, epistemology primarily addresses the following questions: "What is knowledge?", "How is knowledge acquired?", and "What do people know?" " "Consciousness is a state that dees denition, but which may involve thoughts, sensations, perceptions, moods, emotions, dreams, and an awareness of self, although not necessarily all of these" "The issue of what consciousness is, and to what extent and in what sense it exists, is the subject of much research in philosophy of mind, psychology, neuroscience, cognitive science, and articial intelligence."
"Psychology is an academic and applied discipline involving the study of mental processes and behavior " "Metaphysics is the branch of philosophy investigating principles of reality transcending those of any particular science. Cosmology and ontology are traditional branches of metaphysics. It is concerned with explaining the ultimate nature of being and the world.[1]" The atmosphere of this Forum is a relaxed "Philosophers Cafe" in which concepts and ideas are exchanged. Even in cases of strong disagreement with other participants, an attitude of respect and decorum is expected. [edit on 12-6-2008 by Skyoating]
JFK new video proof?

Created by: bknapple32 on June 23, ags: 38, replies: 200
I found a new cap of a video from the JFK assassination. Im not sure if this has been talked about or seen or not. BUt I saw this and was wondering if anyone had any info on it. I am not a pro at posting pics. So if this is posted with a bunch of edits and no pics, someone please email me [SNIP] and I will email them the pic and they can post it here. The cap shows Oswald's window shut literally a couple seconds before the shotw rang out.
[edit on 23-6-2008 by bknapple32] Mod edit: Removed personal information [edit on 23-6-2008 by Gemwolf]
UFOs Invade Town In NT Australia

Created by: Omega85 on June 26, ags: 38, replies: 268
This is amazing i think. Four UFOs apparently descended on a town in the Northern Territory of Australia last Sunday. Witnesses say the object was extremely bright and emitted loud noises they also state the ground shook when these craft came. We can add this to the bunch of recent UFO activity that seems to be taking place. This is intriguing . News source here Omega
Romania talks again: UFO caught by airport surveillance cameras.

Created by: sty on June 9, ags: 37, replies: 46
www.ziua.ro "Romania talks again: UFO caught by airport surveilance cameras. On Friday the story of a MIG21 hit by unknown objects made the news. Now we talk about videos recorded on the main International Airport of Romania. Images recorded in 2004.. "(visit the link for the full news article)
Every day I get this sinking feeling that we are all headed for a horrible fate here in the US, one in which there is no escape. I am doing my best to try to protect myself and my family, the very little I can, which involves saving as much money as I can, buying gold and diversifying my money in different currencies, but it all seems futile. This blog post that I found makes me think we are headed for something even worse than I have ever imagined.
Phoenix Digs on Mars

Created by: internos on June 5, ags: 36, replies: 67
UFOs over Liverpool UK - BBC news & several sightings

Created by: 281011 on June 24, ags: 37, replies: 87
news.bbc.co.uk "A Liverpool man claims to have seen several UFOs hovering in the sky around the city and lmed them on his phone. Vince Pybis said he saw a light above the bushes in Sefton Park and got his phone to lm it, by which time six more had appeared. Callers into BBC Radio Merseyside's also said they saw the lights in the Knotty Ash and Prescot areas. Merseyside Police said they were not worried and noone called the control room about the sightings. But Mr Pybis said: "I'm a sceptic, I didn't believe in UFOs. But until you've actually seen one - well I saw seven - then I thought, they are out there." "(visit the link for the full news article)
Mission Overview " Mars is a cold desert planet with no liquid water on its surface. But in the Martian arctic, water ice lurks just below ground level. Discoveries made by the Mars Odyssey Orbiter in 2002 show large amounts of subsurface water ice in the northern arctic plain. The Phoenix lander targets this circumpolar region using a robotic arm to dig through the protective top soil layer to the water ice below and ultimately, to bring both soil and water ice to the lander platform for sophisticated scientic analysis."
A Very Scary, Very Disturbing Blog Post About The Coming 2008 Economic Crash
Created by: windwaker on June 27, ags: 37, replies: 269
I just did a Google search regarding the possibility of a global economic collapse this year, and I found the most disturbing and believable post I've ever read about what could or will happen: Please Read Now !!! September 2008 Economic Crash Has anyone ever read this blog post before? It's very scary, and I believe every word of it.
This map centered on the north pole of Mars is based on gamma rays from the element hydrogen -- mainly in the form of water ice. Regions of high ice content are shown in violet and blue and those low in ice content are shown in red. The very ice-rich region at the north pole is due to a permanent polar cap of water ice on the surface. Elsewhere in this region, the ice is buried under several to a few tens of centimeters of dry soil. Image Credit: NASA/JPL/UA The complement of the Phoenix spacecraft and its scientic instruments are ideally suited to uncover clues to the geologic history and biological potential of the Martian arctic. Phoenix will be the rst mission to return data from either polar region providing an important contribution to the overall Mars science strategy "Follow the Water" and will be instrumental in achieving the four science goals of NASA's long-term Mars Exploration Program. Determine whether Life ever arose on Mars Characterize the Climate of Mars Characterize the Geology of Mars Prepare for Human Exploration The Phoenix Mission has two bold objectives to support these goals, which are to (1) study the history of water in the Martian arctic and (2) search for evidence of a habitable zone and assess the biological potential of the ice-soil boundary.
Phoenix Digs Its First Scoop Camera spots possible ice in the sample
Image credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/University of Arizona/ Texas A&M University This color image, acquired by NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander's Surface Stereo Imager on Sol 7, the seventh day of the mission (June 1, 2008), shows the so-called "Knave of Hearts" rst-dig test area to the north of the lander. The Robotic Arm's scraping blade left a small horizontal depression above where the sample was taken. " Phoenix Mars Lander, designed to carry NASA's 420 million US dollar three month mission to the Red Planet, which touched down on the surface just a little over a week ago, made its rst dig test in the Martian soil on Sunday with the 2.4 meter long robotic arm, revealing bright white bits of material that could be either water ice or salt. "We see this nice streak of white material. We don't know what this material is yet", said Pat Woida, senior engineer at the University of Arizona at Tucson. The chemical composition analysis of the material will reveal in the future weeks if it is indeed water ice, but until then the lander needs to nish preparations. Similar bright white material has been spotted by the camera on board the robotic arm while viewing the soil under the spacecraft, which was probably uncovered by Phoenix's thrusters during the landing sequence. The mission of the newly landed robotic spacecraft is to establish whether or not water is present in the respective region, and if the clime of Mars was ever able to support life. The problem experienced with the heating element of the gas analyzer in the outcome of the short circuit last week has been solved during the weekend, while mission controllers continued the experiments regarding the digging techniques they would use during the mission. The next step is to identify a good digging site in the vicinity of the lander, by executing three side by side digs. Material scooped up the Phoenix's robotic arm will be delivered to the gas analyzers which will heat it up hoping to identify possible organic compounds. Later in the mission, Phoenix is scheduled to examine some of the samples under a microscope and inside a wet chemistry laboratory. "We're ready to go. We're pretty excited to get on with business here", said Ray Arvidson from the Washington University " Second Dig and Dump Test
Image Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/University of Arizona Full res image: " The Robotic Arm took a second scoop full of soil and revealed whitish material at the bottom of the dig area informally called the "Knave of Hearts". The Science Team is debating whether this is a salt layer or the top of an ice table. Image was taken by the Surface Stereo Imager on the ninth day of the Mars mission, or Sol 9, (June 3, 2008) aboard the NASA Phoenix Mars Lander. " Scientic Measurements "Phoenix's Robotic Arm (RA) is the single most crucial element to making scientic measurements. The robotic arm combines strength and nesse to dig trenches, scrape water ice, and precisely deliver samples to other instruments on the science deck. Also, the robotic arm carries a camera and thermalelectric probe to make measurements directly in the trench. " The following table shows the relationships between Phoenix's science objectives, the scientic measurements to be made, and the instruments that will make these measurements:
Key: SSI = Surface Stereo Imager RAC = Robotic Arm Camera MARDI = Mars Descent Imager TEGA = Thermal and Evolved Gas Analyzer MECA = Microscopy, Electrochemistry, and Conductivity Analyzer WC = Wet Chemistry Experiment M = Microscopy, including the Optical Microscope and the Atomic Force Microscope TECP = Thermal and Electrical Conductivity Probe MET = Meteorological Station
The Phoenix Robotic Arm, during testing at JPL. Engineers Bob Bonitz and Matt Robinson are shown in the background, in protective suits.
Image credit: NASA/JPL/UA/Lockheed Martin Trench Visualization

Image Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/University of Arizona/Texas A&M University/NASA Ames Full res image: " This image shows oblique views of NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander's trench visualized using the NASA Ames Viz software package that allows interactive movement
around terrain and measurement of features. The Surface Stereo Imager images are used to create a digital elevation model of the terrain. The trench is 1.5 inches deep. The top image was taken on the seventh Martian day of the mission, or Sol 7 (June 1, 2008). The bottom image was taken on the ninth Martian day of the mission, or Sol 9 (June 3, 2008). " Phoenix Lander Work Area
Image Credit: NASA Ames Full res image: " This image shows NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander Robotic Arm work area with an overlay. The pink area is available for digging, the green area is reserved for placing the Thermal and Electrical Conductivity Probe (TECP) instrument. Soil can be dumped in the violet area.Images were displayed using NASA Ames "Viz" visualization software. " Map of Phoenix Digging Area
Image Credit: NASA Ames Full res image: This image shows where NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander's Robotic Arm scoop has started digging, and the next areas planned for digging. The majority of the area to the right of the current trench is being preserved for future digging.
The United States of America is now a dictatorship!

Created by: thefreepatriot on June 12, ags: 36, replies: 62
Just after the completion and signing of the Constitution, in reply to a woman's inquiry as to the type of government the Founders had created, Benjamin Franklin said, "A Republic, if you can keep it." While Americans are struggling to pay for basic necessities such as food and gas, the Corporations are swimming in prot.. As an example just look Exxon Mobil(I wont even post cumulative gains for the industry in the last quarter because it will make you cry) Exxon Mobil posted a 36 Billion dollar net prot for the year. The most of any U.S company in history (probably the world).. This was when gas prices were in the high 3s imagine how much prot they have made up to now? Is this the will of the people for them to be pillaged and raped nancially? It is very clear ladies and gentlemen that something is very wrong with this
republic When the Federal reserve Bank bailed out Bear Sterns for an unprecedented 3.2 billion that should have been given instead to the American people who are suffering right now due to companies like Bear Sterns greediness in the mortgage market. Was this also the will of the people? How about the ongoing Iraq war where over 4,000 soldiers have been killed and where less then 34% of Americans dont want this war anymore if this was in fact a republic they should have already came home..? Where is the will of the people being reected there? Here is the Webster denition of a republic 1 a (1): a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2): a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1): a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected ofcers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.. In that denition the republic has failed us.. Responsible to US and governing according to LAW.. It is clear that they are no longer responsible to US but to major corporations.. it is clear that they are no longer governing according to LAW as this regime has called the constitution as piece of paper a piece of PAPER? You mean the one that our forefathers fought and died for? You mean that piece of paper? And has broken several constitutional laws, and international law So we now know that this country is not a republic how about a democracy? Perhaps this will t the bill considering it is always used as the reason to go invade other countries without provocation.. it must be true right? denition a democracy according to Websters 1 a: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections Notice by denition rule of the MAJORITY and where SUPREME POWER is vested in THE PEOPLE.. now lets see .. are major corporations the majority today based on the number of dollars owned? Do they have the supreme power now as they have the ability to inuence by lobbying Congress to do what they wish? Also are they the people? Not us? Is there really representation involving free elections considering that both past elections are seriously questionable? 1: the ofce of dictator2: autocratic rule, control, or leadership3 a: a form of government in which absolute power is concentrated in a dictator or a small clique b: a government organization or group in which absolute power is so concentrated c: a despotic state1 a: rule by a despot b: despotic exercise of power2 a: a system of government in which the ruler has unlimited power : ABSOLUTISM b: a despotic state
We are left with a dictatorship type of government.. if the government does not represent the people nor can the people choose proper representation freely then what is this state? The Administration, and the Senate are right now not listening to the people about any issue whatsoever, they are only creating laws and funneling money where they can only directly benet not the people. The war has greatly beneted the Senate and the administration, case in point According to the most recent reports of their personal nances, 151 current members of Congress had between $78.7 million and $195.5 million invested in companies that received defense contracts of at least $5 million in 2006. In all, these companies received more than $275.6 billion from the government in 2006, or $755 million per day, according to FedSpending.org, a website of the budget watchdog group OMB Watch. If members of Congress have a personal vested interest in continuing the war., and not listen to the people then isnt this dictatorship? The Patriot Act has given great powers to this regime(similar to the enabling act that enabled the 3rd Reich to rise) coupled with corporations getting there way all the time.. And the people rarely if ever getting there way in any major issue, I have come to the gruesome conclusion That this country is under autocratic rule, control, and leadership, and is now a government where absolute power is concentrated in the President, the elite, the Senate, where absolute power is so concentrated that it is now a despotic state and now has unlimited power where the people no longer control the government as the founding fathers meant them to. Citizens.The United States of America is now ofcially a dictatorship.
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Aliens Eating Humans, Invasion DANGER...

Created by: Alien_Question on June 28, ags: 35, replies: 656
George Carlin Has Died

Created by: Majal on June 23, ags: 35, replies: 139
www.koin.com "ET breaks the news that comedian George Carlin has died from heart failure. The man who made famous the "seven words you can never say on television" passed away at 5:55 p.m. Sunday at Saint John's Hospital in Santa Monica, his longtime publicist said. He was 71."(visit the link for the full news article)
Thomas Edwin Castello who worked at Base Dulce, someone who sacriced his own family and died to get this information out the best way he knew how. I think its time for people to start listening to what is really going on with the alien agenda. Its time for people to wake up and realize that a planned invasion could be just around the corner. IMPORTANT THREAD,,, READ IT Questions and Answers from the last interview before he was found and killed: "A -- Where do the little gray Aliens t in? Q -- They work for, and are controlled by the Draco. There are other gray skinned beings that are not in league with the Draco. The Dracos have absolute and complete control of the Dulce base. Q -- Can greys read your intentions if you came up behind one? A -- Yes. They read your INTENT, because they use your body's frequency. The human race broadcasts a frequency, that they recognize as an electromagnetic impulse. Each person has a slightly different frequency, that difference is what we call 'personality'. When a human thinks, they broadcast strong impulses, in the case of 'fear' the frequency is 'loud' and easy to recognize (by the same right, a calm and composed mind-set should be far more difcult to 'recognize) -Q What do the greys do with humans and cows and other parts from mutilations? Do they need these uids for research or survival? A -- The aliens use the blood and body parts for formula to keep them alive [their food and for use in the growing vats, and for the articial wombs. Plasma and amniotic uid are the two most vital ingredients for their lives. The grays make the attempt not to 'eat' around the humans, because the odor of it is VERY unpleasant to ANY human. They can spend days or even weeks between feedings. They need amniotic water, plasma and several other body parts raw from humans and cows through secretions. The Reptillians and Dracos at Dulce eat much differently and will never eat in front of us, they will proceed to lower levels and must eat something that is still alive, I prefer not to give further details than I already have on this subject. Q -- You say this all takes place in Nightmare Hall, but surely there was a 'regular' name, what was it called in the manuals?
A -- In the manuals it was called "The Vivarium". It describes Dulce Base as a "secured facility for tending bio-forms of all types." In their report it is retold as "a private subterranean bio-terminal park, with accommodations for animals, sh, fowl, reptile, and mankind." After SEEING this 'park' the name Nightmare Hall is far more accurate than the manual. The 'accommodations' for the humans at Nightmare Hall fall short of the pretty picture the manual describes. Q -- Are there other sites tied-in to the 'shuttle network' other than those which you mentioned, and if so, where are the entrances? A -- WHERE!?! EVERYWHERE! THEY CRISS CROSS THE WORLD AS AN ENDLESS SUBTERRANEAN HIGHWAY. LIKE A FREEWAY, EXCEPT THIS ONE IS UNDERGROUND... The subterranean highway in America is like a freeway except it's underground. That highway depends on electric motors [for trucks, cars and buses] for the paved roads, and it is for limited travel. There is another style of transit for freight and for passengers that is for rapid travel. That world wide network is called the "Sub-Global System." It has "check points" at each country entry. There ARE shuttle tubes that 'shoot' the trains at incredible speeds using a mag-lev and vacuum method. They travel at a speed that excels the speed of sound. Part of your question involves the location of entrances to that base. The easiest way to answer is to say every state in the U.S.A. has them." Source Mod Note: Ex Tags Needed [edit on 28-6-2008 by Alien_Question] [edit on 29-6-2008 by NGC2736]
authorities under the Trading With the Enemy Act (50 U.S.C. App. 1 et seq.) (TWEA) with respect to North Korea. I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat. what does this mean?
UFO over Southhampton 01.06.2008

Created by: Camilo1 on June 8, ags: 34, replies: 162
I found this video on youtube, it looks interesting, uploaded June 4th, 2008 Poster says it was taken at 1430hrs, denetly not a plane. What could it be?
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This is not the footage presented by Acidtastic, but could be the same object. [edit on 8-6-2008 by Camilo1]
Japanese invent car that runs on water

Created by: sty on June 13, ags: 34, replies: 278
Bush Declares National Emergency? why?

Created by: bamaoutlaw on June 27, ags: 35, replies: 137
www.nancialexpress.com "Tired of petrol prices rising daily at the pump? A Japanese company has invented an electric-powered, and environmentally friendly, car that it says runs solely on water. Genepax unveiled the car in the western city of Osaka on Thursday, saying that a litre of any kind of water -rain, river or sea -- was all you needed to get the engine going for about an hour at a speed of 80 km. "(visit the link for the full news article)
The Underground Empire

Created by: jkrog08 on June 27, ags: 34, replies: 38
I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, nd that the current existence and risk of the proliferation of weapons-usable ssile material on the Korean Peninsula constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States, and I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat. I further nd that, as we deal with that threat through multilateral diplomacy, it is necessary to continue certain restrictions with respect to North Korea that would otherwise be lifted pursuant to a forthcoming proclamation that will terminate the exercise of
"In March of 1980, John J. Williams, a New Mexico "Patriot" who published the anti-Communist oriented "REBEL MAGAZINE" (at the time available from: Consumertronics Co., c/o John J. Williams. Pres., 2011 Crescent Dr., P.O. Drawer 537., Alamogardo, NM 88310) revealed some incredible details on an alleged subterranean system which the Navy had been exploring below the western United States. The report appeared in issue No. 6 of his magazine, and was later reproduced in the Fall, 1985 (#164) issue of SEARCH Magazine, at the time edited by Marjorie
Palmer, widow of the late Ray Palmer. The article, titled 'CALIFORNIA FLOATS ON OCEAN?', revealed the following: "Some time ago, I heard a man on a TV interview-show briey mention that parts of California and neighboring states are oating on the Pacic Ocean! He was a high ranking Naval ofcer on a topsecret nuclear submarine that has been (and is) exploring and mapping these enormous caverns and passage-ways underneath the West for over 10 years now. "A friend of mine nally tracked the man down. He is now living quietly in retirement and asked that no details pointing to him be revealed as he does not want publicity and government attention. After writing this article, I destroyed my les on him. " Another interesting Branton report as I'm sure a lot of you are aware of his Dulce Enigma book(Dulce papers are in it) ,Omega Files ,and other works.I have had the pleasure of speaking with him personally via instant messenger some years ago and truly believe him to be credible.I am currently working on a thread about the 'Alternate History of Earth',but rst I thought I would present you with this to 'set the stage' so to say.Another source,other than Branton has conrmed his statements.I have spoken of this source before,rst bringing him up in this thread.I will still refer to him as 'X' here. Basically this report talks about a vast underground network of caverns under the Earths surface that are home to a race of aliens(possibly true 'Earthlings') that have been here on Earth for milinia.This is also known as the Hollow Earth Theory,but this theory does not state that the entire Earth is hollow,only large areas in between the mantle and the crust.Many openings are reported to be in the western United States,with this article stating that large portions of the western United States is actually oating on large,water lled cavern systems!My source told me this as well.The following is another excerpt from the report: "1. The passageways are labyrinthine with widths from a few to thousands of feet (caverns), averaging roughly about a 100 feet. "2. Much like dry caverns do, heights and depths vary a great deal and in some cases, two or more caverns or passageways pass over or under each other at different depths. "3. Most of the entrances lie just off the Continental Shelf (ie. in the Continental Slope - Branton). "4. Most of the entrances are too small for submarine investigation; and many that are large enough lie in waters that are too deep. "5. Some of the caverns (in S. California) are topped with oil while some others are lled with gases believed to approximate our atmosphere (in very ancient times). "6. The San Joaquin Valley is essentially a portion of the original cavernous area that collapsed eons ago due to it's sheer weight. "7. What is being passed off as the 'San Andreas Fault' are
large, unsupported chambers that are in the process of collapsing. When the BIG ONE nally hits, many scientists in the know believe that most of California will break off like a cold Hershey bar and slide into the ocean! (it is postulated by some that an ancient landmass which some believe may have been connected to what is now California, broke off and sunk into the ocean during an ancient cataclysm - Branton) " I think it goes without saying that the southwestern United States is an enigma in and of itself.With a super v o l c a n o ( Ye l l o w s t o n e ) , m u l t i t u d e s of caves,geisers,mountains,a major fault line(San Andreas) it is no stretch to think that there is a massive underground cave system that covers a wide area of the western US.We have found numerous underground caves,lakes,etc throughout the world that go on for miles,some,if not most mostly undiscovered.There is also many reports of researchers nding 'openings in the Earth that lead to depths never before seen by humans,of course these people are ignored and ridiculed,if they even come back alive at all.This is facts that you will not nd on the USGS site,facts not acknowledged by 'ofcial agencies',but I believe are the truth.I have read to many reports of explorers nding 'entrances to unknown,deep caves that have ancient ruins in them along with beings there even now'.Now another excerpt for you: " At one point two of the men, Jack and Bill, described their experience with an 'underground city' which they claimed to have discovered after one of them had fallen through the bottom of an old mine shaft near Wingate Pass. They found themselves in a natural underground cavern which they claimed to have followed about 20 miles north into the heart of the Panamint Mountains. To their amazement, they allegedly found themselves in an huge, ancient, underground cavern city. They claimed that they discovered within the city several perfectly preserved 'mummies', which wore thick arm bands, wielded gold spears, etc. The city had apparently been abandoned for ages, except for the mummies, and the entire underground system looked very ancient. It was formerly lit, they found out by accident, by an ingenious system of lights fed by subterranean gases. They claimed to have seen a large, polished "round table" which looked as if it may have been part of an ancient council chamber, giant statues of solid gold, stone vaults and "drawers" full of gold bars and gemstones of all kinds, heavy stone "wheelbarrows" which were perfectly balanced and scienticallyconstructed so that a child could use them, huge stone doors which were almost perfectly balanced by counter-weights, and other incredible sights. "
The mystery deepens,now lets take a read at what I believe is the most amazing stories I have heard of underground civilization,also conrmed by my source,'X'.: "There are many bizarre accounts connected with this mountain, which apparently got it's name in part from the many old mines which can be found there, along with numerous natural cavities which open out to the surface in many different areas. The area has allegedly been the site of certain activity concerning native American Indian occult practices, as well as the site of alleged secret government activity, some of which reportedly involves the observation and monitoring of strange creatures and/or automatons which are said to emerge from the area on certain occasions. Just exactly what these 'creatures' are is uncertain, but some accounts indicate that they are dangerous! Could it also be a 'magnetic' zone due to the high iron content? Following the Sierra Nevada range from here into the northern territories, one arrives at the Cascade Range, consisting mostly of dormant or extinct volcanic mountains which rise at intervals through northern California, Oregon and Washington and into southwestern Canada. The Cascade Range is not without it's own peculiar accounts of subterranean recesses occupied by unknown beings, both human and non- human, who apparently re-discovered what apparently are parts of ancient antediluvian subsurface networks, which were at one time inhabited by a race of highly technological (through extremely violent and warlike) beings, perhaps both human AND reptilian!?" Okay............(wow)Keep in mind I am skipping massive parts of the report as this thread is only a summary of my reading of the report! More:""INSIGHTS: Are you referring to the government's interaction with other 'extraterrestrial' (and/or 'innerterrestrials' - Branton) that are not of the silver eet?" (Note: The interviewer is no doubt referring to the 'pact' which the secret government was manipulated and deceived into making with the reptilian 'Grays', and subsequently with other branches of the 'serpent race' - Branton) "SHARULA: Yes. That is only one." "INSIGHTS: When was the government rst introduced to Telos?" "SHARULA: They have been aware of the subterranean cities and they have been aware of Telos since the country's conception. It is only near the turn of the century that they started taking action. This action did not get really aggressive until the 1950's." Note: There are indications that some members of certain Masonic- type 'secret government' societies, such as the Rosicrucian Order, have attempted to establish contact with the subterranean residents of Mt. Shasta, although it is uncertain just what might
have come of this. Several encounters with the 'Blondes' (both subterran and exterran?) have revealed 'their' own concern about what is taking place with the abductions and mutilations of human beings by the sauroid Grays, although many of these groups claim that they cannot 'interfere' with the problem due to some 'cosmic law' of non- intervention. This may be true with those 'Nordic' or 'Blonde' societies who hail from other planetary bodies, such as the Taurians, Lyrans, Eridanians, and Cetusians (the latter of whom seem to be taking the most action to help their brothers here on earth, in essence interfering with the saurian 'interferers' from the Draconis, Bootes, Reticuli, Canis, etc. constellations), and the 'Solar Tribunal' groups of Mars, Luna, Saturn, etc, and so on." [edit on 6/27/2008 by jkrog08] [edit on 6/27/2008 by jkrog08]
CAPTION CONTEST #5 1ST "Knights" 2ND "sos37" 3RD "Rockpuck" MOD "Crakeur"
Created by: Dave Rabbit on June 19, ags: 33, replies: 516
AND THE WINNERS ARE..... Knights - 1st Place - 25,000 POINTS

"Reservoir Dog" sos37 2nd Place - 10,000 POINTS

"Another clogged toilet? You guys really gotta lay off the enchiladas!" Rockpuck - 3rd Place - 5,000 POINTS
Black Ops Program: 35.5 Billion Dollars Years in Training: 7 Dog Years Puppies lost: 4 Puppies Finding Out a Dogs Sense of Smell Doesn't Work Under Water: Priceless. Crakeur - WINNING MOD - BRAGGING RIGHTS ONLY!
"This Fall on Telemundo, Donde Esta Scuba Doo?" Translation: This Fall On Telemundo, Where Is Scuba Doo? This is the FIFTH in a series of membership caption contests by the ATS MIX Team. This time, it is about this funny photo I received from a Navy Seal friend of mine about the Mexican Navy announcement recently that they were going to develop a similar force to the United States Navy Seal program for Mexico.
You may submit ONE CAPTION PER REPLY PLEASE. The TOP 10 STARRED individual captions by the AboveTopSecret.Com membership will be submitted to The Three Amigos for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place honors. DEADLINE for submissions HERE is the rst week of July approximately, depending on my schedule and whether I am in or out of town. If You Like A CAPTION, Click On The STAR On The Submission. The TOP 10 Of ALL SUBMISSIONS That Have The MOST STARS, As Selected By The Membership, Will Be Submitted To The AMIGOS For FINAL SELECTION. The TOP THREE Will Receive Points As Follows: 1st Place - 25,000 ATS Points 2nd Place - 10,000 ATS Points 3rd Place - 5,000 ATS Points The Top MOD SQUAD MEMBER Will Also Be Recognized! PLEASE REMEMBER THAT SUBMISSIONS MUST BE T & C COMPLIANT! NOTICE - THIS WILL BE MOD SQUAD MODERATED - NOTICE Please FLAG & STAR The MUTHA! [edit on 6/25/2008 by Dave Rabbit]
I've been taken three times, here's my story.

Created by: 330BC on June 20, ags: 33, replies: 129
Some of the things I'm about to tell you might sound far fetched but this is just what I've learned from the aliens. I don't care if you believe me or not, all I can do is share my experiences with you and then it's up to you to decide what to believe in. The rst time I was taken I was 13 years old and they took me in the middle of the night. The next two times happened during the day at home, when I was 22 and 23 (I'm 26 now). The aliens that I was in contact with were the same individuals every time, two males and a female. I do not know their names or if they even have any. They told me that they chose me for a reason but didn't say what that reason was. In each of the three occasions I was taken, the aliens were what some people might call "Pleaidians", aliens that look almost identical to humans in appearance. Later, I met beings from two other species, they were both humanoid but very different looking. They had bigger heads, bigger eyes, smaller legs and arms and their skin was completely white. They all communicate with each other telepathically and they also did that with me. At rst it felt really strange and sort of frightening to hear their thoughts, because they just
sort of pop up in your head and you don't know where those thoughts are coming from. I got used to it after a while and found it really amazing to share things with them that way. I've been in three different ying saucers and they all looked pretty much the same from the inside. They don't really have a lot of equipment in their saucers (they have nano-technology), but one thing I found kind of funny was that they actually had toilets in the saucers, nothing like our toilets but yeah, I guess even they have to take a piss sometime. I didn't get to spend a lot of time in the saucers because we arrived to our destinations pretty quickly. On the rst and third time they took me to a base in Mars and on the second time we went to a base on the back side of the moon. They live in underground bases that are completely self-supporting systems, meaning that they can produce their own energy, food, etc.. The rst two times I was gone for a couple of hours but on the third time I must've spent something close 15 hours with them. The weirdest thing about it is that when they returned me on the third time, I hadn't actually been gone at all because it was the same time that it was when I had left. I'm guessing they somehow manipulated time and returned me to the same point in time (I'll talk about time travel later). The third time was different in many ways. I spent more time with them and learned a whole lot more about their ways of life. On the third time they also asked me if they could do some tests to me and I agreed. I don't know if they injected me with something or if they took some samples from me, they just told me that it was for my own good and for the good of Earth. I never asked them about it because I knew they didn't do it to harm me. I was to learn that they are able to manipulate different laws of physics, like time, gravity and matter. They don't manipulate them telepathically, they have technology that does that. Their technology is very different from ours. They don't have big machines, big computers, wires, bolts or anything we have, all of it is what we call "nano-technology", these tiny machines you can't even see with your bare eyes. They don't need keyboards or monitors for their computers because it's all in their head. They communicate with the machines telepathically and they see everything in their mind. The guiding systems in their spacecraft work basically just like that. They just think where they want to travel and at what speed, and the craft obeys them. TO BE CONTINUED
Bush Plans On Attacking Iran Before Leaving Office!!! CNN Report!!!

Created by: Odessy on June 29, ags: 33, replies: 122
Meltdown US banks within weeks says Fortis chairman

Created by: Pjotr on June 29, ags: 33, replies: 118
I could hardly believe this as I was reading it... I was nally starting to feel that our fears about marshal law and bush not leaving ofce on time were all just silly speculation... Not according to CNN Here's the article: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/06/29/ us.iran/index.html?ere f=rss_topstories Now let me show you the scary parts: " The Bush administration has launched a "signicant escalation" of covert operations in Iran, sending U.S. commandos to spy on the country's nuclear facilities and undermine the Islamic republic's government, journalist Seymour Hersh said Sunday. President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have rejected ndings from U.S. intelligence agencies that Iran has halted a clandestine effort to build a nuclear bomb and "do not want to leave Iran in place with a nuclear program," Hersh said. "They believe that their mission is to make sure that before they get out of ofce next year, either Iran is attacked or it stops its weapons program," Hersh said. " I rst thought Bush was going to go to war with Iran shortly after he labeled their Revolutionary Guard Corps as terrorists... the rst time national military branch has been labeled terrorists... Article The Scary thing is that the reports say that Iran has halted their nuclear campaign... yet Bush and Cheney have rejected these claims!!! Sounds a lot like Iraq and the WMDs they claimed they had even though out investigators couldnt nd anything... Here's another source that supports this: h t t p : / / h u b p a g e s . c o m / h u b / Wa r - Wi t h - I r a n - I s Inevitable Well, I was hoping we were wrong... Now I dont think so... [edit on 29-6-2008 by Odessy]
www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com "I was shocked when I read the following, which was brought out 4hours ago: American 'meltdown' reason for money injection Fortis. 28th of June, 9:10 BRUSSELS/AMSTERDAM - Fortis expects a complete collapse of the US nancial markets within a few days to weeks. That explains, according to Fortis, the series of interventions of last Thursday to retrieve 8 billion. "We have been saved just in time. The situation in the US is much worse than we thought", says Fortis chairman Maurice Lippe"(visit the link for the full news article) Related News Links: www.politics.ie Related AboveTopSecret.com Discussion Threads:
The UFO-Alien Applied Linguistics Registry

Created by: Scramjet76 on June 26, ags: 32, replies: 109
Hello ATS, It is my belief, that we may be missing out on valuable details and information released by foreign media outlets. I became aware of the need for "ATS translators" after reading this thead, and more specically, this article. Some UFO cases are difcult to follow when much of the literature is in another language. The list would serve as a point of reference for when translation support is sought. All members with foreign language abilities are encouraged to register. Priority would be to Russian, Chinese and Japanese because in those languages there are more cases. If the ATS admin jump in, I would even suggest an "ATS Linguist" badge to really encourage participation and quality. Anyways, if you would like to put your name on the list, maybe we can put this internet thing to (continued) good use! Please list the language(s) you can translate and how you became procient in it/them.
BBC uncovers lost Iraq billions

Created by: budski on June 10, ags: 31, replies: 79
news.bbc.co.uk "A BBC investigation estimates that around $23bn (11.75bn) may have been lost, stolen or just not properly accounted for in Iraq. For the rst time, the extent to which some private contractors have proted from the conict and rebuilding has been researched by the BBC's Panorama using US and Iraqi government sources. A US gagging order is preventing discussion of the allegations. The order applies to 70 court cases against some of the top US companies. War proteering While George Bush remains in the White House, it is unlikely the gagging orders will be lifted. To date, no major US contractor faces trial for fraud or mismanagement in Iraq. The president's Democrat opponents are keeping up the pressure over war proteering in Iraq. "(visit the link for the full news article)
US Government admits botched job of WTC investigation

Created by: Griff on June 21, ags: 31, replies: 101
Wikileaks Gets Hold of Special Forces Counterinsurgency Manual

Created by: danx on June 18, ags: 31, replies: 35
tech.slashdot.org "Wikileaks has published a US Special Forces counterinsurgency manual, titled Foreign Internal Defense Tactics Techniques and Procedures for Special Forces (1994, 2004) The document, which has been veried, is ofcial US Special Forces doctrine. It directly advocates training paramilitaries, pervasive surveillance, censorship, press control and restrictions on labor unions & political parties."(visit the link for the full news article)
I'm just going to post pertenant parts but please read this document in it's entirety. Look at what they admit. It's in plane site yet we who question all this are the "crazies". "Washington, D.C. - President Bush has signed into law legislation sponsored by Rep. Anthony Weiner (DQueens & Brooklyn) and Science Committee Chair Sherwood Boehlert (R - NY), and New York Senators Clinton and Schumer, to overhaul building collapse investigations. The National Construction Safety Team Act will ensure that the mishandled evidence and inghting that hobbled FEMAs World Trade Center investigation never happens again. Rep. Weiner issued the following statement:" ""Thousands of tons of steel were carted away from ground zero and recycled before any expert could examine what could have been tell-tale clues. Support trusses, reproong fragments and even burnt out electrical switches that might have given scientists and engineers insight were lost forever - even before an investigation was underway." ""These failures mean that we are short--even to this day--on conclusions about design decisions that may have contributed to the deaths of so many reghters and workers on the top oors. " ""First, just as the NTSB immediately sequesters evidence involved in a plane crash, our bill creates immediate on-site authority for investigators of collapses to have access to and preservation of important materials. Andif necessarythe new panel may subpoena materials." ""Never again will we see the destruction of materials and the legal jousting that marked the scene of the 9/11 attack, where even the blueprints of the buildings took weeks to secure." Straight from the horses mouth folks. The "truthers' didn't make this stuff up. [edit on 6/21/2008 by Griff] [edit on 6/21/2008 by Griff]
Rep. Dennis Kucinich motions to Impeach Bush

Created by: TheRepublic on June 9, ags: 30, replies: 168
weblogs.baltimoresun.com "On the House oor this evening, the Ohio Democrat proposed impeaching President Bush. In language similar to that in the articles of impeachment he raised against Cheney, Kucinich sought support for a 35count indictment charging Bush with misleading Congress and the American people into war with tales of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq."(visit the link for the full news article)
atrocities have got to end SOME TIME. We can not keep going on like this and expect to survive. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. It is time for everyone to wake up on all sides and change this. No more wars and occupations---PERIOD. Defend our borders and infrastructure from any foreign inltration or threat, but stop this foreign invasions, occupations, and atrocities. I was in absolute tears after watching this. When will we ever stop hurting each other and causing this endless suffering? Sigh.:(
U.S. Food Reserves 'Tapped Out'

I have awakened, and so can you.

Created by: awakened sleeper on June 16, ags: 30, replies: 167
cryptogon.com "According to the May 1, 2008 CCC inventory report there are only 24.1 million bushels of wheat in inventory, so after this sale there will be only 2.7 million bushels of wheat left the entire CCC inventory, warned Matlack. Our concern is not that we are using the remainder of our strategic grain reserves for humanitarian relief. AAM fully supports the action and all humanitarian food relief. Our concern is that the U.S. has nothing else in our emergency food pantry. There is no cheese, no butter, no dry milk powder, no grains or anything else left in reserve. The only thing left in the entire CCC inventory will be 2.7 million bushels of wheat which is about enough wheat to make of a loaf of bread for each of the 300 million people in America. "(visit the link for the full news article)
Video: The Ugly Truth...The Ugly American (Highly Disturbing)

Look man, I'm not going to get into the troop bashing thing--War is an absolutely disgusting and sickening enterprise altogether that brings out the very worst in us as a human species. But the POLICIES that lay the groundwork for this type of barbaric and inhumane
This thread is for you to talk about how you believe you have awakened. It is about what you are doing to stay awakened, and what you have experienced as you are doing so. This is a positive thread. I would appreciate it staying this way. Thank you. "I awake to nd, no peace of mind. I said, how do you live as a fugitive? Down here, where I cannot see so clear. I said what do I know? Show me the right way to go." -Coldplay, Spies When you search for truth, eventually you will nd it, or it will nd you. I have been searching for truth for a very long time. I believe I have found it, and I can tell you one thing, it hurts. When you realize that everything you thought once was is not, you have to re-nd yourself. I have dealt with this from a very early age, and I am still dealing with it, however I am not here to tell you what is really going on in the world. I am here to tell you what is really going on in YOU. These are some steps that I took to reach the level of awareness I am at currently. Step one: Observe yourself from a moment to moment basis. Observe yourself breathing, and smiling, and blinking, and chewing, and brushing your teeth. Observe yourself at any point during any day. This will unlock your consciousness. Now, this does not mean look in the mirror, or just do it and think your are observing. It means to feel you in the moment. This moment. Try not to think about your to-do list, or what you regret in the past, no daydreaming. Just live within the moment. Step two: Write your dreams down. Keep a notebook beside your bed and jot down your dreams as soon as you wake up. Some people have problems remembering
their dreams. If this is you just think[I want to remember my dreams], and eventually you will. You have heard the phrase If you set your mind to it, anything is possible, well this is truer than most people could ever imagine. Step three: Meditate. Now, meditation is unique for everyone. There are many different ways to meditate. I personally sit Indian style(crossing your legs underneath your body), with my back straight (sometimes it is best to sit up against a wall for proper support), and my arms interlocked and resting on my legs. I close my eyes and clear my mind. To do this I just sit there and I am in the moment as I explained earlier. I clear all thoughts. I start down at my toes and mentally make them loose, and then work my way up to my eyes and then my forehead. I make my entire body loose as a goose and comfortable. I breathe slowly and observe myself breathing. Eventually I get to the point where I feel as if I am not breathing. While my eyes are closed I start to see static or speckles, and then it forms into an abyss. I only see blackness. Then it fades away and starts forming colors and shapes and beautiful designs. *NOTE: For some it may take many tries to experience this, and much different durations.* Then I start getting images in my mind, some of which seem schizophrenic but I assure you, they are nothing of the sort. I pay attention to these images as they ash and spark into reality. Since I have been doing this, I can now see a lmy membrane or grey haze around everything. If I concentrate I can manipulate it. I get a ringing sensation in my ears. I hear peoples thoughts, sometimes before they even think them. I feel a great Oneness of everything. Love, love is the ultimate answer to everything. *NOTE: I can write for days and days on how my life has changed and on what supernatural things have happened to me and around me, however I will save this for another day.* I hope all of this helps you and I will post more on this and my life experience later. Thank you for your time.
In just two months, scans showed that the 52-year-old man's tumours, which had spread to his lungs, were gone."(visit the link for the full news article)
Mars Face Discovered Near Cuban Coast!

Well, this seems to be a far out claim! But have a look at the face discovered under the sea near Cuba and compare it with the face on Mars. But before you have a look at this take a peek at some strange underwater formations off the general area that seem to be the remnants of a long gone civilization. Is there a connection with Cydonia on Mars?
A linear, gridded area can be seen in Google Earth images of the Cayo Santa Maria off the coast of Caibarien, Cuba. The gridded anomaly area is approximately 2.8 miles long by 3 miles wide. The exact same grid has been photographed by NASA too.
Huge curved, underwater tubular feature, Florida Keys.

Gridded area, Eastern side of the Cay Sal Bank. Image color enhanced to bring out detail.
Parallel, mound like features. The image data is located online at: NGDC 3 Arc-Second Coastal Relief Model.
Doctors Cure Skin Cancer Patient!!!!!!!

Created by: Quantum_Squirrel on June 19, ags: 30, replies: 54
The linear anomalies below are underwater, approximately 80-110 feet below the surface off the Southern tip of Florida. Latitude: 25 6' 20.52"N Longitude 82 33' 20.91"W All images above, courtesy Satellite Discoveries The 'Faces' And now for the face found off the Cuban coast on Google Earth. I have included the Mars face' for comparison.
news.sky.com "Doctors have successfully rid a patient of advanced skin cancer by treating him with clones of his own immune cells
The face South of the Cuban coast Enlarged.

The face On Mars and Off Cuba: A Comparison

(visit the thread to view linked images)(visit the thread to view linked images)
The face on Mars (Left), taken by Viking, and the one off the Cuban coast, colorized and noise compensated. This is either a natural geological formation or a long gone civilization that sculpted both the face on Mars as well as the one here eons ago. Atlantis? Lemuria? Whatever it is, its fascinating all the same! Cheers! Will the discoverer of this 'face' please stand up and be counted? I've lost the web page where I got it from!
Why Men Ignore Their Wives Family Guy: Today's Father Can't Win Men More Forgetful Than Women "(visit the link for the full news article) [edit on 2008/6/15 by GradyPhilpott]
U.K. to Begin Microchipping Prisoners

Created by: Max_TO on June 24, ags: 29, replies: 84
NASA Forgot How To Go To The Moon!!!

Created by: zorgon on June 2, ags: 29, replies: 130
Found this today and broke out laughing... With all the renewed talk about "Did they go to the Moon" this is quite timely Seems they forgot how they got to the moon... You would think they had the notes somewhere but Nope... they don't.. Just like they lost the Moon tapes... The Saga Of the Lost Space Tapes NASA Is Stumped in Search For Videos of 1969 Moonwalk ...it seems they don't have the plans on how they built the moon ships... and no one is left working for NASA that remembers how they did it... so they are REVERSE ENGINEERING Saturn V parts and scrounging in space junk yards to relearn how to do it... With all the Shuttle delays and accidents... now they tell us they have to gure out how to get back to the Moon You have just GOT to see this... NASA scientists going to junkyards to nd parts to gure out how to do it This is the best lm I have seen for a long time... its got to be a classic Wired TV PBS Release SPACE JUNKYARD Here is a youtube portion but go to PBS link to see the full story
www.naturalnews.com "The British government is developing a plan to track current and former prisoners by means of microchips implanted under the skin, drawing intense criticism from probation ofcers and civil rights groups."(visit the link for the full news article)
Amazing Space Pictures

Created by: Jeff Riff on June 25, ags: 29, replies: 136
I ran across these pictures from the last Endeavour mission. They are possibly the best pictures I have ever seen taken from a mission. Great resolution and absolutely awe inspiring.
Canadian MP Libby Davies reads 9/11 petition in Parliament

Created by: GoldenFleece on June 13, ags: 28, replies: 46
Even on Fathers' Day, Media Find a Way to Bash Men

Created by: GradyPhilpott on June 15, ags: 29, replies: 142
news.yahoo.com " Some discoveries to ponder on Father's Day:
www.truthalliance.net "New Democratic Party Deputy House Leader Libby Davies delivers a Parliamentary Petition signed by over 500 Canadians demanding a new 9/11 investigation, in Canada's House of Commons during Routine Proceedings at 1:10 pm on June 10, 2008. PETITION TO THE HOUSE OF COMMONS IN PARLIAMENT ASSEMBLED We, the undersigned citizens of Canada draw the attention of the House to the following:"(visit the link for the full news article) [edit on 13-6-2008 by GoldenFleece] Mod Edit: Breaking News Forum Submission Guidelines Please Review This Link. Mod Edit: ATS And Activism Please Review This Link. [edit on 13/6/2008 by Mirthful Me]
The Web Bot Project Predicts Apocalypse In 2012!

A giant computer had been fed all the knowledge known to human kind, and then asked the question: Is there a God? The lights ashed, and the circuits hummed, and then came the answer: "THERE IS NOW!" From a popular comic story. Science ction? May be not anymore! Computing power and the Web is growing exponentially and who knows what the situation is half a decade from now? And there is so much data coursing through the Web, that we can now use it to even predict the future! Enter the The Web Bot. OK, this aint breaking news by a long shot, but then not many have heard of it. I saw this on The History Channel the other day and so for those who dont know what its all about, here goes The Web Bot Project
Web Bot Project: Video grab from The History Channel program Originally, designed to search the web and then make predictions about the stock market, users claim they soon noticed the program making accurate predictions concerning things such as natural disasters and even the 9/11 tragedy. So how does it work? A system of spiders, agents, and wanderers travel the Internet, much like a search engine robot, and look for particular kinds of words. It targets discussion groups, translation sites, and places were regular people post a lot of text. " When a "target word" is found, or something that is lexically similar, the web bots take a small 2048 byte snip of surrounding text and send it to a central collection point. The collected data at times approached 100 GB sample sizes. The collected data is then ltered, using at least 7-layers of linguistic processing in Prolog, which is then reduced to numbers and then a resultant series of scatter chart plots on multiple layers of Intellicad. Viewed over a period of time, the scatter chart points tend to coalesce into highly concentrated areas. Each dot on the scatter chart might represent one word or several hundred. The core of the technology therefore is to look at how the scatter chart points cluster - condensing into high "dot density" areas called "entities" and then dissolving or diffusing over time as the entities change. Do a drill down into a dot and you get a series of phrases... " The web bot project is probably the only scientic method we have of predicting the future and has had some surprisingly accurate past predictions. And in
2001, the bot operators began to notice coincidence with occurrences and paid close attention. The rst accurate prediction from the bot came in June of 2001 claiming a catastrophic event would take place within the next 60-90 days. Regrettably it did - and the Twin Towers fell of September 11, 2001. Since then there have been a slew of predictions, some of which follow: The Space Shuttle Columbia tragedy when the bot predicted a maritime disaster. It accurately predicted the New York blackout in 2003. It forecast a major event in relation to Las Vegas 65 days prior to 9/11 - when the terrorists were actually in Las Vegas. The bot stated there would be an attack related to a commemorative event prior to an American 587 crash on Veteran's Day. It read that there would be an attack on the house or assembly prior to the anthrax scare. The bot stated gun shot wounding referenced to Vice President Dick Cheney. Anthrax attack in Washington DC in 2001. Massive east-cost power outage in 2003. Earthquake in August 2004. Water-rising which lead to the Tsunami in December 2004. Hurricane Kathrina in 2005. Crash of the US dollar beginning late 2007. A summary of the 2008 predictions: Catastrophic collapse of the dollar is possible as the language is active around that concept. Some kind of winter/spring natural disaster which caused people to become angry about government response. Possibly early elections, or at least calls for that because of anger. Global economic collapse possible in fall 2008. Bot pick-ups regarding Ufos in 2008: "ufo event" - SOMETHING over major cities - leads to government disclosure? And Now To 2012 Heres where it starts to become very interesting. "The bot program also predicts a worldwide calamity taking place in the year 2012. For those of you who study astrology, prophecies, and the like, you may already be familiar with this date." Pointers to an apocalypse in 2012 is foretold in: > I Ching. > The Mayan Calendar. > The Upanishads. > Nostradamus. > Merlins predictions that the planets will run riot, completely off their normal paths of rotation. > The Bible.
> The Hopi tribe prediction of the end of the 4th world. > Scientic evidence that points to a very rare astrological occurrence taking place the year of 2012. In the year 2012, it is suggested that the sun and the earth will be in direct alignment with a black hole at the centre of the Galaxy. Scientists speculate that magnetic shifts could take place as a result. In essence, it is theorized that the poles could reverse. The poles have shifted before and Einstein, himself, had suggested this pole shifting theory in 1955. > And nally, the Web Bot deductions about the end of the cycle in 2012!
prominent American's attended this secret meeting of the Bilderberg Group. It's odd how a law like the Logan Act has never had a single conviction in over 200 years, isn't it? Bilderberg 2008 Pictures of the Chantilly Virginia meeting. You'll see a picture or two of Alex Jones in there as well : Bilderberg Meet In 2008 History Channel : Bilderberg on YouTube
Courtesy: Peoplenomics Heres something interesting about the Web Bot predictions as shown on The History Channel
or click here if the YouTube link doesnt work directly.. All said and done, will the Web Bot Project's End-OfTimes prediction of 2012 come to pass? I guess we'll just have to wait and see. After all, 2012 isn't a long way off! Whats in store in 2008-09
Why am I labeled racist for being proud of my white heritage ?

Created by: The Soldier Of Darkness on June 5, ags: 27, replies: 206
The True Story of the Bilderberg Group : Daniel Estulin

Created by: SpartanKingLeonidas on June 21, ags: 28, replies: 98
I found this interesting link while reading a book. http://www.bilderberg.org/ The book I was reading is The True Story of the Bilderberg Group written by Daniel Estulin who is a Russian born author. Daniel Estulin : YouTube
This thread will probably be deleted, but I think I am making a valid point of discussion here. Why if I am "proud to be white" am I labeled a racist ? Why are whites not allowed to form "white only groups" only to be labeled neo nazis, skinheads and white supremacist's ? Why are blacks, asians, hispanics, allowed to have "pride" marches, form latino / black pride groups etc Even gays / lesbians are allowed to do this.... If whites were to march down the street screaming "white power" as the blacks do currently, or screaming "white pride" it would turn into a national controversy and everyone would be labeled racist...or neo nazi etc.. Am I as a white man now supposed to be "ashamed" of my heritage ? Am I not allowed to be proud of who I am ethnically ? But every other race is ... ? :puz:
His book talks about the Bilderberg Group that just met June 6th through June 8th in Chantilly, Virginia at the Westelds Marriot Hotel, and no one knew about it, as they withold the meeting place location until a week before the actual event. He talks about the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission as well as how American politicians meet with foreign powers and power brokers, breaking the Logan Act which is an American law forbidding these politicians of ours from meeting in secret with with foreign Governments for negotiation purposes. It's odd, how if you look around ATS and you can nd the list of this year's attendees, you will nd Henry Kissinger and David Rockefeller as well as Condoleeza Rice, three very well known and
UPI Reporting UFOs Struck Romanian Fighter Plane

Created by: LateApexer313 on June 6, ags: 27, replies: 64
Just saw this article that just came out an hour ago while I was googling.... UFOs hit Romanian plane BUCHAREST, Romania, June 6 (UPI) -- The Romanian Defense Ministry has conrmed that a ghter plane was struck by four unidentied ying objects and released a video of the incident. The ministry said the MIG 21 Lancer ghter plane was struck by the objects during an Oct. 31, 2007, check
ight but was able to land safely, Hotnews.ro reported Friday. Lt. Col. Nicolae Grigorie said a video recorded by cameras onboard the plane depicts "two solid bodies, which are not translucid." I did a search on ATS and the search came up with no results...anyone hear about this??? Let's try to nd the video! I hope it's not another lame hoax!
Scientists have proved for the first time that nucleobases found in meteorite are extraterrestrial
Created by: Parabol on June 13, ags: 27, replies: 62
exposes...Something is very wrong with the reality we've been conditioned to accept IMO... To those who take the red pill, not only should you be awakened, but you should be alarmed and furious as well... "There are none so blind as those who will not look. If you are one of those who will look, take a look around. You are surrounded -- surrounded by millions who will not look. These are the blue pill people. Who are these blue pill people and why won't they look? The Matrix may be only a movie, but it presents some scenarios with much relevance to our current situation. In the movie, Neo meets Morpheus and is offered an opportunity and a choice. Neo can take the red pill and see the truth for himself, or he can take the blue pill and return, comfortably unaware, to the illusion of the Matrix. There he can live out his life undisturbed by the truth." Full Article
news.yahoo.com " PARIS (AFP) - Genetic material from outer space found in a meteorite in Australia may well have played a key role in the origin of life on Earth, according to a study to be published Sunday. European and US scientists have proved for the rst time that two bits of genetic coding, called nucleobases, contained in the meteor fragment, are truly extraterrestrial. "(visit the link for the full news article) [edit on 13-6-2008 by Parabol]
Why has NASA never gone back to the moon?

Created by: xweaponx on June 25, ags: 27, replies: 316
Did something they aren't telling us actually go down on the moon? Where we warned to never return to the moon again? These are very interesting questions to ask our self. Tell me what you think.
The Blue Pill People

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This is a fantastic, but short read. It sums up EXACTLY what I see all around me, even on this site---People have been so conditioned and brainwashed to blindly follow and accept the system they have been born and indoctrinated into, that they are not aware that their "freedoms" are nothing more than illusions, that TPTB "allow" them to believe they have. Try going against the system, not paying your taxes to these elitists to keep funding their agendas, and see just how "free" you remain... I encourage everyone to read this and share it with as many people that they know and care for, as most of the population are not even aware that they are living in the blue pill dream world, with all of the illusions their masters are spinning around them keeping them blissfully ignorant, in slavery, and servitude... Sit back, and really THINK about what this article says. Pay attention to the systemary rules and guidelines it
2mins 10 seconds. Otto Binder former NASA employee says they went to a secret channel to communicate. Used code words regarding certain things and entities. " Otto Binder, a former NASA employee, claimed it was overheard by amateur radio enthusiasts who could access a condential channel. Neil Armstrong - the rst man to set foot on the Moon - denies it. At approximately 6-30 a.m. on 17th March 1990, a radio ham from Baltimore, Donald Ratsch, was listening to transmissions from Discovery when he heard the following:"Houston, this is Discovery, we have a problem. We have a re". Shortly after Ratsch claims he heard "Houston this is Discovery, we still have the Alien spacecraft under observance".A former mission specialist with NASA , Bob Oeschler conducted an intense investigation into these events and concluded that the message had in fact been broadcast from the vicinity of Fort Meade in Maryland, an area where the
US National Security Agency had it's base. The NSA has long been interested in UFOs and Oeschler was of the opinion that the transmission was a deliberately set-up hoax for some intelligence purpose. " And if you really do think about it. NASA hasn't been back to the moon since. They always send people to the space station but to The Moon again. They've never been back. I'm not saying there are aliens or being on The Moon but I'm just exposing the fact that NASA isn't telling us the true story of what really happening on the moon and why NASA hasn't been back since. I know someone asked NASA why haven't they been back. And to this day NASA has NEVER answered our question..... [edit on 25-6-2008 by xweaponx]
Believe I have found a crashed ufo and attendent ufos

Created by: tha holygrail on June 29, ags: 26, replies: 222
[img]http://abovetopsecret.com]Thats right and if I can gure how you put a photo in here. Moderator send me a email adress so I can send you a photo with description. Note IP Blocker operating, what you see is not mine. You will not believe your eyes with what Ive got so I'll check back in about ten hours.
Why Is Bush Helping Saudi Arabia Build Nukes?: Wall Street Journal
online.wsj.com "Here's a quick geopolitical quiz: What country is three times the size of Texas and has more than 300 days of blazing sun a year? What country has the world's largest oil reserves resting below miles upon miles of sand? And what country is being given nuclear power, not solar, by President George W. Bush, even when the mere assumption of nuclear possession in its region has been known to provoke pre-emptive air strikes, even wars? If you answered Saudi Arabia to all of these questions, you're right. Last month, while the American people were becoming the personal ATMs of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was in Saudi Arabia signing away an even more valuable gift: nuclear technology. "(visit the link for the full news article)
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Been on this a site a long time and now I get UFO pics

The AboveTopSecret.com Book Of Threads

PUBLICATION DATE: DECEMBER, 2008

Table of Contents For June, 2008

Obama and the Bilderbergers -PROOF!

Sgt. Clifford E. Stone Answers Your Questions

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for June, 2008 page 1 of 39

[edit on 8-6-2008 by intrepid]

Interesting character in my ER has me spooked

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for June, 2008 page 2 of 39

Blogger arrests hit record high

Need Analysis on this video of UFO's from Illinois (11-09-07)

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for June, 2008 page 3 of 39

Oklahoma Declares Sovereignty

Don't Watch This Video...If You're Happy Living a Lie

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for June, 2008 page 4 of 39

Global Economic Crash Late July!

American 'Ultra Black' Reversed Engineered Projects

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for June, 2008 page 5 of 39

Hidden link at bottom of page. whatistheconspiracy.com

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for June, 2008 page 6 of 39

2008 Barbury Castle crop circle: pi solved?

UFO South East England 16/06/08 12pm

Oklahoma Recalls Bill That Would Have Facilitated NAFTA Superhighway

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for June, 2008 page 7 of 39

Life in the U.S. is a joke

Terra Papers - I was there

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for June, 2008 page 8 of 39

Court rules in favor of Second Amendment gun right

Old World Secrets the Omega Project Codes

Police chase UFO over Cardiff

WIN A FREE TRIP to Las Vegas With BTS MIX !!

Win A Trip To Las Vegas With Spencer & Doc!

USA Military Officers Challenge Official Account of September 11

Why I believe the Intergalactic Alien Council Exists!!!

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for June, 2008 page 10 of 39

The Metaphysics of Music

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for June, 2008 page 11 of 39

What is the strangest thing you've ever experienced?

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for June, 2008 page 12 of 39

BREAKING! Kucinich Introduces 35 Articles of Impeachment Against George W. Bush!

Why they hate AMERICA

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for June, 2008 page 13 of 39

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for June, 2008 page 14 of 39

Did Mars Phoenix pop a spring, lose a screw or what?

Mars Exploration timeline

Launch: 10 October 1960 Name: Korabl 4 / Marsnik 1 /Mars 1960A

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for June, 2008 page 15 of 39

(visit the thread to view linked images)

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for June, 2008 page 16 of 39

actually returned more pictures than Mariner 6, despite the explosion.

Country: US (yby) Result: Success Reason: Returned 75 images

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for June, 2008 page 17 of 39

___________________________________________ ______________________________________ Launch: 10 May 1971 Name: Cosmos 419

Mountains in Equatorial Region

Country: USSR Result: Failure Reason: Flew past Mars

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for June, 2008 page 18 of 39

Frame 10.V (red) Frame 11.V (blue)

Frame 1.V (52mm "Vega" phototelevision camera) Full res:

Frame 6.Z (phototelevision cameras, February 17, Program 1) Full res:

Frame 8.V (phototelevision cameras, February 21, Program 2) Full res:

Composite 9,10,11 Full res: Composed by: Frame 9.V (green)

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for June, 2008 page 19 of 39

_____ Launch: 10 May 1971 Name: Cosmos 419