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.1 We won the state championship game today and finished the season at 11-0. Our football team has not lost a game since '08. The wins have always been rewarding. The difference this year is that there were many people-even within our own district, who thought we would not be a very good football team this year because of some players who played "down" in leagues during previous years. That, combined with the necessity of developing a brand new-1st year QB was a Herculean task for us. I will have a lot to add over the next few weeks about how/what we did. I think others may be interested in what we have been able to do. In short, our offense this year averaged 33 points per game. Our offense has developed into a very wideopen type of offense where you can choose to either stop the pass or the run, but not both. My attempt will be to mention how it all started with what defenses were doing to us and the inability to pass the ball because of poor pass blocking up front. I will post more in a bit....Jim 859.6 in reply to 859.5 When we started running the full fledged WB, we rolled over teams. By the end of the year people started to stack the edges and bring more people into the box. We always had a pretty good passing game, but we had trouble blocking it because-and you all know this one-the young blockers are really bad. So, to buy some time for our QB and to let our passing game develop, we started to put in the shotgun. There was one main problem with this-we only passed out of the shotgun. This past year, when we came out under center for the WB run game, the defenses would jam the box like crazy-usually with 8. They would go man up and jam at the line, and then blitz us like crazy. They could certainly bring more than we could block. We then started to think-well if they want to do that, lets cut the field in half and do a half roll to the QB's right and that should buy us some time. It worked. We came up with a simple blocking scheme that allowed us to do just that. The very basics of the WB passing game usually have you throwing to the right anyway, so, it was all pretty good. By the next year, teams knew we could block them-so, they did something a little different-they started to blitz more guys from the edges, and this did cause us some blocking problems, but none we couldnt fix....we still had a major problem though, and that was we only threw it out of the shotgun. I will mention the WB passing game we used for many years so you can get a feel for what we did. I will also have to find a way to attach the other side of the passing game that is not included in the WB. This used 4 WR which really spread the field...much like the so called "spread" formation that can be seen on any given Saturday right now...will be back later...Jim 859.8 in reply to 859.7 Over the past 2 years, we decided to put in a full screen package, which really helped us a lot. Our passing game consisted of 20 pass packages. We have always worded the offense differently than Ted, and made some adjustments to fit our team. We also had 4 or 5 special pass packages that I will include at some point in addition to these 20. Though that might sound like a lot, and it was-this was done over the course of basically 3 years so that by the time these guys were 14 and 15, it was a lot easier to install than you might think. This will take some time as I am going to be piece-mealing this whole thread. I also found it a necessity to find a way to get the ball into one of our 2 play-makers (WR's) while at the same time provide the maximum protection for our QB so that we could do this. These were 1 man routes-but you couldnt give it away by any kind of formation. I put in what I refer to as reverse audibles-but there was nothing audible about it. By the end of this year, we had 10 different patterns for a specified WR to communicate his route back to the QB. We had 7 in last year, so this was a building process. Whenever I had a 3rd and 4 or greater (how often do you find yourself in that situation?) I knew we could get the ball into the air and into our best receivers hands for a first down-with great certainty. It took some time, but coaching it correctly and taking the time necessary gave us a whole lot of flexibility and a new dimension. Page | 1 of 32 Rev00

Wild Bunch Evolution (http://forums.delphiforums.com/TedSeay/messages?msg=859.1) As an example-this year we had seen some things that nobody did to us before. One team decided to drop 8 and rush 3. You may be thinking that this would be great for the run game, but dont forget, we only went out of shotgun to pass. And at this point, we pretty much only came out running the shotgun. We had games were we did not run it-not once. It was a good thing that I had 2 simple runs out of shotgun before that game arrrived, as that was what really hurt this team. But, in this opponents words, they were going to "slow down that fast break passing game of yours" a little bit. And, he did an excellent job of doing just that. The middle was not open for the pass, the long game was out of the question-both things that we were doing all year long at that point. Not having seen this before, we finally took the run(sadly!), won the game and never looked back. They came up and jammed our WR to each side, and also had each one of those WR covered with a deep man behind the jam. It disrupted the timing of our passing game. We snuck by with a 34-0 win, but it was a whole lot closer than that score would ever indicate. The next time we played that team, we beat them 54-14. We were much better prepared and we had a much improved run game out of the shotgun which included several plays that are very simple to put in and the WB Fly offense-out of the gun. But, we decided that if they wanted to cover us on the wideouts with double coverage, we would just go to our reverse-audible system and make our receivers go 1-on-1 with their corners and realized that we would probably not be able to go deep with posts and streak patterns. This was something that we practiced every day so it was not that big of a deal. Now we basically had 1-on-1 coverage with the WR able to call about 5 or 6 patterns to isolate him and to keep the safeties out of the play. I will diagram these out later with our terminology. Suffice it to say that these were all patterns that were run anywhere from 6 yards to 10-12 yards-perfect for those type of situations....In this way we were able to get some teams out of this kind of coverage and allow us to go back to our regular passing game and the WB run game...more to follow When our reverse audibles were used, our WR's (usually X and Z, but could also be done with Y and TB out of our Cheetah formation)they had signs to tell the QB what they thought they could run for a successful pass completion. We had to spend some time so that they knew which route to call given certain defenders covering them or in the vicinity. Here was our list-there was 10 of them. 1. F acemask: F lag(corner) 2. S houlder pads: S treak 3. H ips: H itch 4. G loves: Hitch and G o 5. W einer: W hip 6. S hoes: S peedout 7. R ibs: R aptor 8. P ads(thigh): P ost 9. S traps(on helmet): S quirrel 10. H amstrings(as in stripes going up and down the pants): Z ebra With the exception of Zebra, it all works quite well. We just had everyone thinking of a zebra's stripes up the back of their leg and that was the signal. You obviously had to have your QB looking both ways to not give anything away. We have never been caught on this. It is all done so casually that nobody is going to see it. Our receivers are doing things all the time out there anyway, so it never really mattered. This also makes practice great in that you can have two WR's running routes at the same time-one on each side of the field. We would use this on our defensive days for our CB's and LBers and at the same time work on our passing game. Two QB's get up to the LOS, each one looking to the WR they are throwing to. Defender has his back turned while WR's send the signal back to the QB. We then run the play. We would usually run this segment for 20 minutes. Nobody ran routes like our WR's so our pass defenders were actually very, very good these last two years. We were able to work the passing game/timing/audibles/defense all at one time. If you can run two patterns in one minute-which you should be able to do-you get 80 balls in the air in 20 minutes....that Page | 2 of 32 Rev00

Wild Bunch Evolution (http://forums.delphiforums.com/TedSeay/messages?msg=859.1) is great repetition on things the players love to do and it really tightens your passing game up very well....more to come...Jim Some of these might be hard to visualize on this thread. For the Speedout, our WR would simply get to the line and then start tapping his back foot to the ground like he was getting ready to just blast off the line. He may have tapped the ground 2 or 3 times times-almost like he was just quick kicking the ground. On the raptor, he just acted like he was adjusting his rib cage protector. For the whip, he would act like he was adjusting his cup. For post, he would act like he was adjusting his thigh pads. For streak he would take both hands and adjust his shoulder pads on his collar bone. For squirrel, he would act like he was making sure his chin strap was attatched on upper lock. For the hitch and go, he would adjust his gloves-which all our receivers wore. He would just act like he was pulling his gloves on his wrists to make them more snug....you can make whatever signs fit your team...this is just what we did for the past 2 years....more coming...Jim

Here is a little something to use for coaching some of the routes we ran. By the way, the guys love the names of these.....

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859.16 in reply to 859.15 Keep in mind that these particular routes can be run very well against a cover 2 man defense, which is what we saw a lot of. I think you will see why we saw a lot of cover 2 when I post our routes, many of which were solid WB passing game. When the defense has your WR's covered deep (FS to his side) and short (CBusually squatting and forcing you to the inside or head up), these routes take the safety factor out of the equation because all these routes are run underneath the FS. You still have the ability to pass effectively and get the ball to your best WR's if they are doubled-up. When in shotgun, everybody knew the pass was coming. Our FB was always placed to the side we were throwing. His responsibility in the passing game was easy. First, his man to block in the passing game was the EMLOS. Second, his aiming point was the outside shoulder of the EMLOS. Often times in little league football, your FB's are pretty good hitters. If you are half-rolling with your QB (which is what we did almost exclusively) if your FB hits the EMLOS with number on number, he may get a great hit, but the EMLOS will bounce right off of his block and be in the QB's face. We tell him if the EMLOS is going to get to the QB, he has to come underneath the FB. Third-FB always blocks unless released into the route, which was called in from the sideline. The rest of the blocking consisted of two schemes. #1: Our interior line always protecting the gap to their right. This would be true even if we were rolling left. By design, we had nobody blocking the back man on the LOS. We have been doing this for years with excellent success. We had just one other rule. If you step to your right and nobody was there to block, that lineman now turned to the backside to pick-up the backside EMLOS or anyone else that showed. The line could almost tell if they were hinge blocking to the backside by defensive alignment. You just had to teach your lineman that they couldnt block air. As an example, against a 5 man front-which we saw our fair share of-the BG had nobody over him. He knew that he was likely the lineman who would end up hinge blocking. At the snap, he would step right, check for a blitz, and if nobody showed, go backside. We referred to this scheme as a sliding zone. The other blocking scheme we termed "storm" and it could be either storm right or storm left. In essence, this was a whole interior line that would all "pull" to the right or to the left, with no backside hinge blocking. We did this when teams were blitzing from the edges, which we began to see. Our FB was able to pick up one of them, but there may have been another LBer that was also coming at us. We emphasized and practice that they were not to get a lot of depth. Done correctly, its basically a pulling wall with all 5 lineman in sync together effectively walling people out. I will diagram this out in a PDF to explain. A couple of other things... first, our splits. When we were younger, it was all 1 foot splits to cut down on blitzing lanes. As they got bigger, they got faster and that unblocked backside DE was getting in on some of our plays. So this year, we changed it a bit. Our bunch side was still 1 foot splits, but our spread side was 3 foot splits. This put the weak side DE out another 3 yards or so and worked like a charm to keep him out of the rush. If, for some reason, we needed extra help on that backside, we would simply add "help" in the play call. "Help" for us only means one thing: our X receiver was now coming down from his normal 12 yard split to a tight end and was now pass blocking. We didnt use it a lot, but we did use it when they had a stud that occasionally caused us some trouble.

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Wild Bunch Evolution (http://forums.delphiforums.com/TedSeay/messages?msg=859.1) Trouble spots: if the weak side DE gets to the QB: your lineman are taking the wrong angle on the hinge block. I will diagram this out. Play side DE gets the QB: your FB hit the wrong shoulder. It must be his outside shoulder. While we went out of the shotgun a lot, these same rules applied to under center as well. The only reason we even tried the shotgun was to give our QB more time to let the passing game develop. ....pdf to follow with explanations....

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859.20 in reply to 859.19 I may have to start a new thread to put all our passing game in. Ted, it looks like there is a limit to how much I can put up-is there another way to do it or do I just start another thread? At this point I have outlined our protection which stayed constant for many years. We started the Storm scheme this year when the guys were 14 and 15. I think you can get away with the other scheme while the players are still younger and not so fast. But, at this age, speed caught up to us a few times so we made the Storm adjustment and it worked fine, as long as the QB path was correct-which I drew up on a pdf diagram earlier. To continue, we would go out of multiple sets, but, it really was only 2 formations when you look at it(Regular WB formation and Cheetah). We would use the normal WB formation, with the split of 1 1/2 yards betweeen the BT and Y. This was put in to get us to the edge quicker on sweeps, but it also shortened upconsiderably, the pass to the flat with the younger players. As we hit 13-15, we started to use the split of 5-7 yards, which we would simply call "Right Flex." We would normally just start out in the bunch formation, but would use a crazy/idiot motion with either Z or H-they chose who would go in motion. There was always someone moving. We also would call "Right Spread" which would put the bunch out about 10-12 yards. I promise you, defenders really felt like they were on islands out there. So we had the ability to use 3 different formations out of the WB playbook that looked quite different, but really were not. We found out this year that when you flex the Y out to 5+ yards, that DE does some funny things, mostly play between the BT and Y, setting him up for an easy crack block on Fly/Rocket sweeps-something you will want to look at. What we would very early on is call "Right Flex Z Fly Left." That way we could run our Fly to the Left and get a look at what we could expect from that bunch side when we came back with Fly/Rocket with H. I will probably forget a lot of things that we did, but we did have a couple of other things. First, whenever X had a defender off or backpeddling during the roll-out of the QB, he would literally stop right there and wait for the ball. It is harder for the younger guys to do this if you are rolling right and then come backside, but it can be done. It definitely can be done as the QBs get stronger. This amounted to an outlet pass-an easy one, in case our flat route was covered, and many teams would plant a CB right there to wait for our flat. As a side not that I will explain later, whenever certain receivers saw things out there on the run, like a CB wainting in the flat for him, his route would automatically change to a wheel route. This is very fun stuff to run that shows you that players are learning football. A lot of high school teams that I have seen dont adjust patterns on the run-we have been doing it to a smaller degree since they were 9, so I know it can be done. You just have to practice it. I am also going to be showing our practice installation and practice sessions-how long we did certain things during the practice that might give you an idea of what worked for us. Do you guys want me to just mention the WB pass we did to save some space, or, do you want me to find a way to get them on here with our different tags/variations? Example: Teds Mesh route-we had 9 or 10 Tags we could do out of it. I will do whatever people want to see, but I will certainly be showing our passing game out of our "Cheetah" formation which I will attach to this... 859.26 in reply to 859.25 It looks like our man Ted will try to post the Cheetah routes when he can. When you look its really nothing more than an expanded formation of the WB "Right." We took our TB(H)and moved him out. Because I wanted our speedster on the LOS in the passing game instead of our Y, I put Z on the line and backed off Y, unless we switched it for some reason, which we could for screen plays. If you didnt do this, your Z receiver would be off the LOS by a yard to a yard and a half and I saw that as a disadvantage. When Ted is able to post these patterns, the coaching points are all listed. What is not listed is Page | 11 of 32 Rev00

Wild Bunch Evolution (http://forums.delphiforums.com/TedSeay/messages?msg=859.1) the receiver responsible for altering his route based on coverage which I will mention for all routes. I will then post the WB passing game that we used with its modification based on coverage. Keep in mind, we have been doing this to one degree or another since these guys were 9 or 10. I think I still have which routes we ran at what age around here somewhere. But, by adding things every year, by the time the guys are 12, 13, 14, and 15, it all starts to become second nature to them...this reading on the run stuff is where the real fun begins in the passing game. I wouldnt let anyone tell you that you cant do this in little league football. I have heard it for years. I will then talk about what we did with the WB run out of shotgun. That really added a lot to what teams had to get ready for to play us....more to come. Jim 859.29 in reply to 859.26 Cheetah routes attached.

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Wild Bunch Evolution (http://forums.delphiforums.com/TedSeay/messages?msg=859.1) 859.32 in reply to 859.31 For these Cheetah routes-an expanded formation of the WB-we usually had 1 receiver who could alter their routes based on coverage. We have been very successful over the years with all of these, but really hurt defenses with our quick post/post routes. Defenses would then come out and play our wide outs by taking away our quick slants and posts, which left them open for other things. So, for these routes, here are the players(usually only one WR) that had flexibility of changing their route "on the run" and what routes they would then change to: Cheetah Rt. 1: X-if defenders took away the post, he would decide very early on in the pattern and then run a whip read route. Always worked. When they got burned on that and came back to head up-we then ran our regular quick slant. Cheetah Rt. 2: No adjustments Cheetah Rt.3: TB-on cover 2 he would not run to the flat, instead he would cut his route short-so that he wouldnt run into the CB waiting in the flat Cheetah Rt.4: No adjustments Cheetah Rt.5: X and Z-if we called the play to them. These guys could run a streak/read where if they could not get behind their defenders, the QB will throw a shot a the defenders head and our WR's will then turn to make a play-the read portion of the route. It worked pretty well for us when we needed to have it. Took some time in practice though to get the read down between QB and WR Cheetah Rt.6: Y-if there was a flat defender, his route would run into a wheel route -worked extremely well for us Cheetah Rt.7:X-though we wanted him to get to the opposite sideline and up the hash, he could stop anywhere he thought he could throttle down in a window for an easy QB pass-worked very well for us Cheetah Rt.8:Z-same rules as X above Cheetah 9: X and Z. If the quick slant was taken away and we were going to X, he would run his whip read. For Z, if there was a flat defender, he would then change to a wheel route. Cheetah Rt. 10: No adjustments With all of these, we had the flexibility of still varying routes, such as this call for example: "Cheetah Rt. 5 X Squirrel." This game us tremendous flexibility in what we liked to do. "Cheetah Rt. 6 TB Raptor" was another one that worked well for us. I think you get the idea of all the things we could do with our reverse calls referenced above. The one thing we did not do a good job of this year were the "oly" calls-receivers calling for the ball if they were uncovered. This might have been due to the fact that I had a lot of new receivers, or maybe due to the fact that we simply had too much they had on their minds. Not the guys I have had on my team from previous years but the first year guys. I have been asked how many of these passing packages we did. At 14/15, we did all of these, and more, which I will mention later. Last year with the 13/14 year olds, we had Cheetah routes 1-6, and our WB passing game of 10 pass packages. When they were 12/13, we ran 3 Cheetah Routes, and 6 WB pass packages. When they were 11/12, we ran no Cheetah pass, and 6 WB pass packages. As I think back to their 8/9 year old league, we ran no Cheetah and 5 WB packages. Though seemingly small, we would vary our WB splits, start out in Bunch, motion to bunch, etc., and create some different looks for the defense. We had a lot more oly calls when they were younger. That should give you an idea of how many passing packages we had in at certain age groups.

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Wild Bunch Evolution (http://forums.delphiforums.com/TedSeay/messages?msg=859.1) The last item on Cheetah-or any passing package-was the flexibility to release the FB into the passing game. We only had 2 calls for him which we have used for many years. It was simply "FB Right" or "FB Slip." We didnt get too carried away with the FB's in the passing game. FB right was nothing more than a swing pass out of the backfield-usually at the end of the season when we have never used it in a game for huge yardage. FB Slip was our FB-at the snap-heading right up the seam-usually inside the DE rush and the DT and looking for the ball if he saw blitzing LBers. This was also not used much, but when we did it, it was again for huge yardage or TD's...next up...the run game out of Cheetah... 859.33 in reply to 859.20 As time went on and when we came out in shotgun-cheetah-teams would do funny things, like rush 3 or 4 and drop 7 or 8. It took them a while to do that-almost 2 years because its such an unusual risk to take. But you can understand why-we would have games where we would not run it at all. At one point, we ran something like 5 running plays in 3 games. This did change though as this year went on and we started to play some stiffer teams. Luckily, we did have some shotgun runs ready. The first three run plays were what you would typically see out of "spread" teams. I will send these to Ted (still dont know how you do it) and hopefully he can post them. Our FB is our number 5 back, so the first play is our 50 Wrap. As you look at the diagram, it is simple to install. I cant tell you how valuable this play was for us all year-it was, without question, our most effective run of the three. I also cannot tell you how fast it went in. The key is the wrap block by the BG. Opposing coaches will be screaming "Draw, draw, draw!" but its not a draw at all. Our second play was our 55 Lead. Someone commented earlier about our 2 back set. This was a strange one for us because it is typically run out of a 2 back set, so we had to find a way to make it work. We had to settle on Z lining up between the BG and the BT which is not shown on the diagram. If you have him set up as usual, he will never get there in time to block for the FB-its the best we could come up with. He was the lead blocker on this play. Our FB would just read Z's block, which was usually a trapping kind of block on the DE. The coaching point is that you have to tell your FB to watch the hole and run right at the hole. He cannot be looking for the football, and he has to run in a direct line-aiming right off the ST's outside foot. This was a great play for us. The last one is our 57 Stretch. Our FB now would be getting the ball and reading the block by our TB(or H as Ted would call). After they stop dropping guys because you start running up the middle(Wrap)and between the tackles(Lead), the defense starts to bring their splits down to stop these runs. When that happens, its easy to get outside of them on this stretch play. If by chance the TB cannot pin his guy in, he pushed his guy out and our FB runs underneath. If he is able to keep him pinned inside, we just run right outside of the TB's man. We didnt need to run this very much, because when we did run it, defenders started to be more outside conscience than inside conscience and would move their splits back out against, so we just kept with the Wrap and Lead. We also put in a QB draw which will not be drawn up because of its simplicity. The great thing about these type of plays is that we had play action off all of them which I will comment on at a later date....these runs were installed in 1 practice they are so easy....at least with the 14/15 year olds......next comes the true WB runs out of shotgun...Jim

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Wild Bunch Evolution (http://forums.delphiforums.com/TedSeay/messages?msg=859.1) 859.37 in reply to 859.36 Ok...we did some new things that are not in any version of the WB playbooks that I am aware of which I will post at a later date. For now, this is what we did with the regular WB playbook. Keep in mind that we went to the shotgun when we were passing because of the pass protection being pretty poor. When we would come up under center, teams would jam the box and if we came out in shotgun they would start to drop people. As the season went on, we did start to throw a bit more from under center, but not that much. The plays we ran out of the WB playbook were: Fly/Dive/Boot/Spin/QB Follow Counter(both Teds way and our off-set FB way which has been posted elsewhere) Slam/Ice/Power(we could run it with our Fly sweeper lead blocking on either side of the center) Truck/Wedge Red Light Fly Crash Rocket/Rocket Pass/Waggle Dive off the Rocket Tackle Trap We ran these both ways and in some years, we could run the entire Fly and Rocket/series with X and Y as well as Z and H depending on the skill lever (we did this past year). It was simple to call these plays if we wanted to-you just had to get the timing down correctly. We also had a full package of screens and playaction as well which will be discussed at a later point. I am trying to figure out how to put some game clips on YouTube so that you can see these things in action. At some point, I would like to mention exactly we did in practice to get all these things accomplished. I should say that by the end of the year, I felt like we just had too much. I loved the flexibility of doing whatever we wanted to do, but it probably watered down some of the other things we could have done better. I will be sending Ted our different formations, because we really did have multiple looks. But, it took no extra time once the guys learned the plays. All they had to do was learn how to start in different places. With teams dropping off defenders when we came out in shotgun, I thought to myself, why dont we just try to run some of the WB offense out of shotgun? I then had to decide which plays we could do and how we would do it. First, if we ran the Fly out of shotgun, you definitely lose the deception-but not the speed. So, all we did was line up in "Cheetah" and start running TB (H)Fly right. In our system, we numbered the TB(H)as 2. So, it was Cheetah (always shotgun) 28 Fly. Whenever the FB heard Fly out of Cheetah, he would line up on that play side-in this example to the QB's right. If he didnt hear anything else, he knew that he was a lead blocker in front of the Fly-along with all the normal rules we had for the lineman. Play side guards always pulled on Fly. Everybody else had their normal blocking rules. QB would then drop back to pass after the handoff so that defenses would forget about the QB running through the backside A or B gap after the Fly sweeper went by if that is what we wanted to do. We did this both ways as well, and since they were coming in motion from a spread formation, they just had to get the timing down in practice. Now, what if we wanted to add some quick deception, run the Fly, but give it to someone up the middle, just like a normal Fly? Simple-we would call Cheetah Green 28 Fly 53 Dive. Green for us means fake-all colors mean something for us on offense. We number our gaps 2, 4, 6, 8 from the center out to the right, and 1, 3, 5, 7 out to the left. When the FB would hear this call, he knew that he would still line up on the side the play was going next to the QB-but back and off to his right in this case. Snap comes, QB fakes to Fly sweeper, he carries out the fake, and then immediately he hands the ball off to the FB heading into the 1/3 hole. QB then drops back for pass. It was the equivalent of a scissors play back there. It was a little deceptive, but not like the normal Fly Page | 27 of 32 Rev00

Wild Bunch Evolution (http://forums.delphiforums.com/TedSeay/messages?msg=859.1) under center. But, it gave us the WB run game out of shotgun. Once again, we could run this with X, Y, Z, and H(TB for us.) If we wanted to call a QB spin, we just calling in "Cheetah 28 Fly 53 Dive-all Green 12 Slice"-that was our name for spin. So, we could give the ball to the Fly sweeper(28 Fly), the Dive(53 Dive), or the QB could run it-and he went the opposite way of the FB. So, it was cross, cross, cross. If we wanted to send the QB behind the FB on this play, we just called "Cheetah 28 Fly 53 Dive-all Green 13 Follow." Our QB was our number 1 back. Now, he would head right behind the FB into the 1/3 hole. We would do this with Z and Y going to the left as well. We were able to run Power and Ice with the exact same blocking rules for all the lineman and skill guys as we did from under center. This gives you a lot of other run plays that you dont have to change any blocking rules for the lineman or skill guys. We obviously could not run Rocket out of shotgun, but who cared? Now, we had an offense that would come out in shotgun and we had the flexibility to either pass, or run the WB Fly offense. It was great. This gave us an awful lot of run plays, combined with the 3 we had mentioned earlier out of the gun that really caused one of our opponents in the playoffs (and many others) to be totally caught off-guard when we came out in shotgun. When you add a simple QB draw out of shotgun, which we did-I think you can now see what we could do on offense. This really is a WB offense, with a little variation in formation....next up....how we run Power out of shotgun because it was different than the normal under center Power as far as where the FB lines up...and the formations we ran out of...Ted...thanks in advance for posting....much more to come...Jim 859.38 in reply to 859.37 As you look at these formations, remember that you already know what "Cheetah" is along with the normal "Right and Left"(regular WB formations). We altered the splits between the BT and Y for 2 additional looks-Flex (5-6 yards), and Spread(7-9 yards)......more coming...Jim 859.39 in reply to 859.38 Here are Jim's latest uploads to go with the messages above. If you're a youth coach and interested in the Wild Bunch, you had better be storing all of this stuff, including Jim's posts, on your hard drive for extensive study this winter...there will be a quiz. ;) Regards, Ted Seay Brussels, Belgium

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