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Is It Pornography Or Sinless Erotica? What is pornography and sinful sexually according to the Bible?
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Is It Pornography Or Sinless Erotica? What is pornography and sinful sexually according to the Bible?
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Is It Pornography Or Sinless Erotica? What is pornography and sinful sexually according to the Bible? Copyright 05/05/11 This is a text for unedited and unchanged distribution on the net and www as long as the author is named. by L. Tyler, USA 91976 This file/document can be found at the following: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BiblicalSexVsPornSex http://www.shtyle.fm/community.do?cid=41190 - - - 108 http://groups.yahoo.com/g...iblicalSexVsSexSin http://groups.yahoo.com/g...xProbsAndRecoveryInJesus http://groups.google.com/...ChristiansAndJesus http://biblicalmaturity.yuku.com/forums/66 http://www.scribd.com/doc...ngodlySexMarriageDivorce

This issue must be addressed because so many professing Christians are having serious problems with pornography, many becoming mentally and emotionally addicted to it. This addiction and struggling against it produces tremendous guilt in the disciple who is suffering from repeated failure to resist the porn temptation. The ultimate and ongoing solution is for this sin and its temptations is found in Scripture: Ads - The reason I wake up every m ***1 Cor 6: 9 Do you not know that unrighteous persons shall not inherit the kingdom of Remove this ad God? Do not err: neither sex sinners [those who have sexual intimacy with someone other than their own heterosexual marital partner - Ezek23], . . . nor those who have sex with another's woman &/or those who leave their wives and marry another, . . nor male catamites &/or prostitutes who allow themselves t homosexually used , nor homosexuals/pederasts , 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor abusive persons, nor extortioner inherit the kingdom of God. . . . 13 . . . The body is not intended for sexual immorality, but [is intended] for the Lord, and the Lord [i intended] for the body [to save, sanctify, and raise it again]. . . . 15 Do you not see and know that your bodies are members (bodily Christ (the Messiah)? Am I therefore to take the parts of Christ and make [them] parts of a sexually immoral woman? Never! Never! you not know and realize that when a man joins himself to a a sexually immoral woman, he becomes one body with her? The two, it i shall become one flesh. . . . 18 Flee from having intimate sexual contact with someone who is not your own heterosexual marital par other sin which a man commits is one outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 19 Do you that your body is the temple (the very sanctuary) of the Holy Spirit Who lives within you, Whom you have received [as a Gift] from G are not your own, 20 You were bought with a price [purchased with a preciousness and paid for, made His own]. So then, honor God glory to Him in your body. 7: 1* But concerning the things of which ye have written to me: It is good for a male not to continue -ke touching a woman; 2 but because of and TO AVOID SEXUAL IMMORALITY each man should be [sexually] having his own woman, and woman should be [sexually] having her own man. [See note below at ^^^] 3 The husband should be rendering unto the wife [the] ki intimate marital duty, benevolence and good will <Strong's 2133> [that is] due, owed and obligated <Strong's 3784> ; and likewise wife [should be rendering the kindness, intimate marital duty, benevolence and good will that is due, owed and obligated] unto the hu ***1Thes 4:3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification [separation and being set apart for God for pure and holy living]: that you from sexual immorality; 4 that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, 5 not in the passion of evil d the Gentiles who do not know God; 6 that no one transgress and wrong his brother [or sister] in this matter, because the Lord is an a all these things, as we told you beforehand and solemnly warned you. 7For God has not called us for impurity, but in holiness. ***Prov. 5:18 Your fountain/genital should be blessed; and rejoice and be glad with the wife of your youth. 19 . . . her breasts should satisfy/intoxicate/saturate you at all times; you should be intoxicated continually with her [affectionate] loving ***1 Cor 7:4. The woman doesn't have [sexual] authority over her own body, but the husband [does]; in like manner also the man d have [sexual] authority over his own body, but the woman [does]. 5 Do not be denying each other [sexually], unless, it may be, by c a time, that you may devote yourselves to fasting and prayer, and again be conjugally cohabiting [sexually reuniting], SO THAT SATA YOU NOT because of your failure to control yourself. . . . . . . 8 To the unmarried and the widows (women bereft of a husband) I sa is good for them to remain single as I am. 9 But IF THEY ARE NOT CONTINUING TO RESTRAIN THEMSELVES [ARE NOT CONSISTENTL ABSTAINING FROM SEX SIN], THEY SHOULD MARRY, for it is better to marry than to burn with desire.

Pornography is usually and mostly a male problem, so according to the above, to help her husband avoid sex sin, the ministry of the her husband is to do the following: [1] "each woman should be [sexually] having her own man" specifically by massaging his genital to erection. May the wife who has p with the "messiness" of this remember that without that "messiness" no babies would be born in a process that is very "messy." [2] "the wife [should be rendering the kindness, intimate marital duty, benevolence and good will that is due, owed and obligated] un husband" specifically by pressing her bare body up against his bare body in intimate embrace [3] His "fountain/genital should be blessed" by massaging it to erection. May the wife who has problems with the "messiness" of this r that without that "messiness" no babies would be born in a process that is very "messy." [4] She should encourage him to "satisfy/intoxicate/saturate" himself "at all times" with her breasts, to become emotionally "intoxicat her affectionate loving. [5] By using her sexual authority over his body touch and massage to erection his genital. [6] By not sexually denying him sexual intimacy "unless, it may be, by consent for a time, that you may devote yourselves to fasting prayer, and again be conjugally cohabiting [sexually reuniting]." [7] By following the examples of Queen Esther and the Shulamite in the Song of Solomon, by using wisely and freely spices, perfume fragrances, USUALLY PROVIDED BY THE HUSBAND, as seen in the following: ***Bible-Esther 2:12 And when every maidens turn came to go in to king Ahasuerus after that she had been treated for twelve months, according to the manner of the women (for so were the days of their purification accomplished six months with oil of myrrh, and six months with spices, and with things for the purifying of the women, ***Bible-Song of Solomon [The Shulamite] 1:12 ! While the king is at his round table, My spikenard sends forth its fragrance. 13 A bundle of myrrh is my beloved unto me; He shall pass the night between my breasts. [Solomon to the Shulamite] 2:14 My dove, [hiding] in the clefts of the rock, in the crevices of the cliff, let me see your face, and hear your voice; for your voice is sweet, and your face is lovely." 4:3 Thy lips are like a thread of scarlet, and thy speech is comely; . . . 6 Until the day dawn, and the shadows flee away, I will get me to the mountain of myrrh [one of her breasts], and to the hill of frankincense [her other breast]. . . . 10 How fair is thy love, my sister, spouse! How much better is thy

10 How fair is thy love, my sister, spouse! How much better is thy love than wine! And the fragrance of thine ointments than all spices! 11 Thy lips, spouse, drop the honeycomb. Honey and milk are under thy tongue; and the smell of thy garments is like the smell of Lebanon. 12 A garden enclosed is my sister, spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed. 13 Thy shoots are a paradise of pomegranates, with precious fruits; henna with spikenard plants; 14 spikenard and saffron; calamus and cinnamon, with all trees of frankincense; myrrh and aloes, with all the chief spices; 15 A fountain in the gardens, a well of living waters, which stream from Leba Awake, north wind, and come, south; blow upon my garden [His Shulamite spouse], the spices thereof may flow forth. [The Shulamite] My beloved should come into his garden [His Shulamite spouse], and eat its precious fruits. [Solomon to the Shulamite] 5:1 I am come into my garden [His Shulamite spouse], my sister, spouse. I have gathered my myrrh with my spice. I have eaten my honeycomb with my honey. I have drunk my wine with my milk. . . [The Shulamite] 5:5 I rose up to open to my beloved; And my hands dropped with myrrh, And my fingers with liquid myrrh, Upon the handles of the lock. . . [Solomon to the Shulamite] 5:6 Thy teeth are like a flock of sheep Which go up from the washing [brush your teeth!]; . . . 7:7 This thy stature is like to a palm-tree, and thy breasts to grape clusters. 8 I said, I will go up to the palm-tree [His Shulamite spouse]. I will take hold of the boughs thereof [her arms] ; and thy breasts shall indeed be like clusters of the vine, and the fragrance of thy nose like apples, 9 And the roof of thy mouth like the best wine [use breath mints?], That goeth down smoothly for my beloved, and stealeth over the lips of them that are asleep. . . . [The Shulamite] 7:13 The mandrakes yield fragrance; and at our gates are all choice fruits, new and old. I have laid them up for thee, my beloved. . . . 8:14 Haste, my beloved, and be thou like a gazelle or a young hart upon the mountains of spices [The Shulamite's breasts].

A WISE HUSBAND WILL BE SURE TO PROVIDE HIS WIFE WITH THESE IF SHE IS UNABLE TO OBTAIN THEM BY HERSELF. The Shulami perfumes, myrrh, henna and nard, nard and saffron, calamus and cinnamon, aloes, frankincense, and every kind of incense. A wise h would provide his wife with as many of these as possible, but the wiser husband would spend some time with his wife at the perfume a major department store and together select six or more perfumes, body lotions, massage oils or etc, that they both enjoy, for them their intimacy. The wise wife will remember that her husband usually has a one track mind, so she will know that she needs to prime to get his attention, by starting the process by her using the perfumes etc on herself - to change his focus and turn his attention to he WHAT ABOUT PORNOGRAPHY?

Dictionary: "printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate e rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings."

Pornography according to the Bible: printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity involving sexual organs, intended to stimulate sinful rather than aesthetic or virtuous feelings.

Thesaurus: "erotica, pornographic material, dirty books; smut (obscene or lascivious talk, writing, or pictures ), filth, vice (immoral or behavior ); informal (hard/soft) porn, porno, girlie magazines, skin flicks."

The Bible Thesaurus: sinful erotica, pornographic material, books containing sex sin; smut (obscene or lascivious talk, writing, or pict filth, vice (immoral or wicked behavior ); informal (hard/soft) porn, porno, sinful girlie magazines, sinful skin flicks.

Erotica: "literature or art intended to arouse sexual desire" Erotica is not always pornographic. "Literature or art intended to arouse sexual desire" is not sinful according to the Bible as long as it involve the following: [1]. A single woman touching/doing the genital of a man . . . [2]. A single woman receiving the penis of a man in her mouth . . . [3.] A single woman receiving a penis in her #*++ . . . [4.] A single woman letting a man touch his penis to her skin . . . [5.] If a man imagines and/or thinks about doing any of the sex sins above . . . [6.] If a man imagines, thinks about or actually does touch any part of a woman's skin . . . [7.] If a woman imagines, thinks about or actually does touch any part of a man's skin . . . [8.] The act of sexually stimulating oneself to to orgasm, . . . [9.] As far as I know, it is a Romans 14 issue if a single woman has the doubt-free faith/belief that it is acceptable to . . . [10.] Touching the breasts &/or nipples of a woman who is not your own heterosexual marital partner, [11.] Seeing external genitals (pudenda, vulva, labia, clitoris, vagina) of a woman who is not your own heterosexual marital partner. [12.] embracing, handling, pressing, using and/or squeezing the breasts of a woman who is not your own heterosexual marital partn [13.] Laying bare, uncovering, and/or exposing the pudenda/vulva/labia/vagina/clitoris of a woman who is not your own heterosexu partner [14.] Oral sex when single or with a single woman who is not your own heterosexual marital partner- [15.] MORE THOUGHTS ON ORAL AND ANAL SEX [16.] DOING UNGODLY, HARMFUL AND UNKIND THINGS TO A PERSON SEXUALLY [17.] Thinking of doing sex sin with a cartoon/animation image - - [18.] Homosexuality, bisexuality, lesbianism, adultery, lasciviousness, licentiousness [19.] Incest, sex with next of kin, blood relatives, relatives, cousins and in-laws? [20.] Genital and/or breast contact with children [21.] Doing or thinking about doing something sexual about which you have doubts about its godliness, its acceptability to God [22] Literature or art intended to arouse SINFUL sexual desire

Literature or art that might be intended to NOT arouse SINFUL sexual desire includes images of women (whose genitals are covered a no males present) in under wear, bikinis, thongs, toplessness with genitals and #*++ covered, and seminudity with genitals and #*+ covered.

Self-stimulation to orgasm is not sinful as long as it does not involve any of the items [1.-22.] listed above. Sinless self-stimulation is sin of Onan, whose sin was refusing to let his brother's widow have his sperm for the purpose of becoming pregnant according to Deu There is absolutely NO Scripture in the whole Bible that declares specifically, clearly and explicitly that self-stimulation that does not in items [1.-22.] is sinful. This issue is personal to me because two urologists told me that I should self-stimulate to orgasm to void my so that I could urinate normally, and to avoid recurring prostate congestion which resulted in inflammation and infection. Calling on Je enable me, I learned to be able to self-stimulate to orgasm without doing or thinking of any of the [1.-22.] items listed above, focusin the beauty of the female. Please see sections [8.] and [26.] in the following.

Godly Vs. Ungodly Sex - - Marriage, Separation, Divorce and Remarriage

Copyright 6/23/'06; Revised 11/14/07; 5/15/08; 9/11/08; 03/23/09; 07/14/09; 06/20/10; 05/05/11 This is a text for unedited and unchanged distribution on the net and www as long as the author is named. by L. Tyler, 91976 This file/document can be found at the following: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BiblicalSexVsPornSex http://www.shtyle.fm/community.do?cid=41190 - - - 108 http://groups.yahoo.com/g...iblicalSexVsSexSin http://groups.yahoo.com/g...xProbsAndRecoveryInJesus http://groups.google.com/...ChristiansAndJesus http://biblicalmaturity.yuku.com/forums/66 http://www.scribd.com/doc...ngodlySexMarriageDivorce TABLE OF CONTENTS INTRODUCTION [1]. A single woman touching/doing the genital of a man . . . [2]. A single woman receiving the penis of a man in her mouth . . . [3.] A single woman receiving a penis in her #*++ . . . [4.] A single woman letting a man touch his penis to her skin . . . [5.] If a man imagines and/or thinks about doing any of the sex sins above . . . [6.] If a man imagines, thinks about or actually does touch any part of a woman's skin . . . [7.] If a woman imagines, thinks about or actually does touch any part of a man's skin . . . [8.] The act of sexually stimulating oneself to to orgasm, . . . [9.] As far as I know, it is a Romans 14 issue if a single woman has the doubt-free faith/belief that it is acceptable to . . . [10.] Touching a woman's breasts &/or nipples, lesbianism, seeing a woman's hairy genitals . . .

[11.] embracing, handling, pressing, using and/or squeezing the breasts of a woman - - - [12.] Laying bare, uncovering, and/or exposing the pudenda/vulva/labia/vagina/clitoris of a woman - - [13.] Oral sex when single or with a single woman - - [14.] MORE THOUGHTS ON ORAL AND ANAL SEX 15.] DOING UNGODLY SEXUAL THINGS TO A PERSON [16] Thinking of doing sex with a cartoon/animation image - - [17] Controversial types of marriage in the Bible [18.] Important terms, words and concepts dealing with sexual morality - - - [19.] Homosexuality, bisexuality, lesbianism [20.] What about incest, sex with next of kin, relatives, cousins and in-laws? [21.] What about children and sex and children having sex, being sexual? [22.] Doing or thinking about doing something sexual about which you have doubts about its godliness, its acceptability to God [23.] THE POSITIVE SIDE OF THE SEX COIN [24.] Marriage, separation, divorce, reconciliation [25.] APPENDIX: SEX and STDs [26.] Female Toplessness in the church and the Bible INTRODUCTION Only the Word of God is inspired and free of error, so as to what you read in his document/file, please remember to obey the Word in the following: ***1 Thess 5:21 Test, examine and prove all things; hold fast to what is good. ***1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. ***Ephesians 5:10 and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. Please let me know of any and all errors you find in this document. To understand what Jesus Word tells us today about godly sex and ungodly sex we need to see what He told us about sex in the Old Testament, the Old Covenant and the Law He gave to Moses. God began to reveal His moral code in the Old Testament, especially to Moses, so we have to look at it to see what the Bible says about sex. It is clearly understood that Gentiles, those who are not Jews, not descendants of Israel or or those who covenanted with Jesus-Jehovah at Sinai - - that such people are no longer required by Jesus-Jehovah to keep, observe and obey the Old Testament Law. But it is clear that when Jesus used the terms fornication, i.e. sex sin including adultery, homosexuality, incest and all sexual relations between two people who are not joined together by God in marriage - - He did not change the Old Testament definition of sex sin. When the Spirit led the Apostles in Acts 15 and 21 to declare to be free from OT Law observance all who are not descendants of the Sinai covenanters, Israel and the mixed multitude, He did not change the Old Testament definition of sex sin when He led the Apostles to declare - - ++++25* But concerning those of the nations who have believed, we have written, deciding that they should observe no such thing, only to keep themselves both from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication.? Acts 21 So we who are under the New Covenant, the Law of Christ, are expected by God to keep ourselves from what the OT Law declares to be sex sin. While the definitions came into the Church age unchanged, the social and legal consequences of sex sin under OT Law did not remain unchanged. Israel today and no other country on earth observes and/or enforces the OT Law's social and legal consequences of sex sin. So let?s consider how the OT Law defines the sex sin from which we are to carefully and diligently abstain. A key word in this consideration is Strong's 07901 shakab {shaw-kab'}; v Qal: to lie, lie down, lie on, to lie (of sexual relations, relating to another by means of a sex organ) ***Lev 18:22 And thou shalt not have genital contact<07901> with mankind as one has genital contact with a woman: it is an abomination. 23 And thou shalt have genital contact<07901> with no beast to become unclean [by genital fluids] therewith; and a woman shall not stand before a beast to have genital contact <07901> with it: it is confusion. So any genital contact between two people of the same sex and/or anyone having genital contact with animals represents sin and is not fit for a follower of Christ to do, see or think about (Phil 4:8) or enjoy (Rom 1:32) ***Exod 22:16 And if a man seduce a virgin that is not betrothed, and have genital contact<07901> with her, he shall certainly endow her, to be his wife. ***De 22:22 If a man be found having genital contact<07901> with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that had genital contact<07901> with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel. 23 * If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and have genital contact<07901> with her; . . . 25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and have genital contact<07901> with her: then the man only that had genital contact<07901> with her shall die: . . . 28 * If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and have genital contact<07901> with her, and they be found; 29 * Then the man that had genital contact<07901> with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. The 3rd Century B.C. Jewish translators who gave us the Septuagint rendered "Shakab" in the Greek as "Koitayn". Koitayn is rendered by Lexigraphers Strong and Thayer as "cohabitation, . . . sexual intercourse." Sexual intercourse is communicating with another by means of a sex organ. Harper's Analytical Greek Lexicon agrees. Lexigraphers Arndt & Gingrich go even further rendering it as "sexual intercourse, . . . seminal emission (Num 5:20 . . . Lev 15:16f, 32; 18:20; 22:4 . . .)." This is the Greek word used in Heb 13:4 of marital sex in the marriage bed. To have sexual intercourse with someone is to be communicating and/or interacting with someone by means of a sex organ (penis, pudenda, vulva, clitoris, vagina). If a person does not realize that there is communication and interaction when the penis of a man touches the skin of a woman, that person doesn't know sex. Nonverbal communication is as significant as verbal communication and powerful and effective nonverbal communication is the penis of a man touching the skin or mucous membrane of a woman, or the clitoris/labia/pudenda/vulva/vagina of a woman touching the skin or mucous membrane of a man, or the breast/nipple of a woman of a woman touching the skin or mucous membrane of a man. Only the ignorant fail to realize the reality of the nonverbal communication between the man and the woman that takes place when the penis of a man is inside the body of a woman or touches the skin of a woman. Body fluids make one defiled or unclean under the Law. A woman who has contact with the penis fluids of a man who is not her own man maritally has been "defiled" sexually, and is fornication since a woman, under the Law should be defiled by penis fluids only by her own man. See Gen 34:5,13,27; Deut 22:20-30. From the Holy Spirit's use of <07901> above I understand the following: [1]. A single woman touching/doing the genital of a man is a single woman

relating to a man by means of his genital, therefore it is <07901 shakab or Koitayn> behavior. ***Exod 22:16 And if a man seduce a virgin that is not betrothed, and have genital contact<07901> with her, he shall certainly endow her, to be his wife. ***De 22:22 If a man be found having genital contact<07901> with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that had genital contact<07901> with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel. 23 * If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and have genital contact<07901> with her; . . . 25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and have genital contact<07901> with her: then the man only that had genital contact<07901> with her shall die: . . . 28 * If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and have genital contact<07901> with her, and they be found; 29 * Then the man that had genital contact<07901> with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. If her relating to the man by his genital (anally, orally or manually) was voluntary and she did not cry out for someone to rescue her from the man's sexual activity,it was sex sin (Deut 22:23-29; Acts 21:16-26; 1 Cor 6:9-20), the sex sin we are told to avoid and flee from in Acts 21:25 and 2 Tim 2:22. Such sin should be avoided by disciples of Jesus Christ. "19 . . . I want you to do what is good and to avoid what is evil." Rm 16 GW

[2.] A single woman receiving the penis of a man in her mouth is a single woman relating to a man by means of his genital, therefore <07901 shakab> behavior. ***Exod 22:16 And if a man seduce a virgin that is not betrothed, and have genital contact<07901> with her, he shall certainly endow her, to be his wife. ***De 22:22 If a man be found having genital contact<07901> with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that had genital contact<07901> with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel. 23 * If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and have genital contact<07901> with her; . . . 25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and have genital contact<07901> with her: then the man only that had genital contact<07901> with her shall die: . . . 28 * If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and have genital contact<07901> with her, and they be found; 29 * Then the man that had genital contact<07901> with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

If her relating to the man by his genital orally was voluntary and she did not cry out for someone to rescue her from the man's sexu it was sex sin (Deut 22:23-29; Acts 21:16-26; 1 Cor 6:9-20), the sex sin we are told to avoid and flee from in Acts 21:25 Rm 16:9 and 2 Tim 2:22. Such sex should be avoided by disciples of Jesus Christ. "27 Avoid evil, do good, and live forever." GW PLEASE SEE APPENDIX I: ORAL SEX AND STDS, found below. [3.] A single woman receiving a penis in her #*++ is a single woman relating to a man by means of his genital, therefore it is <07901 shakab> behavior. ***Exod 22:16 And if a man seduce a virgin that is not betrothed, and have genital contact<07901> with her, he shall certainly endow her, to be his wife. ***De 22:22 If a man be found having genital contact<07901> with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that had genital contact<07901> with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel. 23 * If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and have genital contact<07901> with her; . . . 25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and have genital contact<07901> with her: then the man only that had genital contact<07901> with her shall die: . . . 28 * If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and have genital contact<07901> with her, and they be found; 29 * Then the man that had genital contact<07901> with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. If her relating to the man by his genital anally was voluntary and she did not cry out for someone to rescue her from the man's sexual activity, it was sex sin (Deut 22:23-29; Acts 21:16-26; 1 Cor 6:9-20), the sex sin we are told to avoid and flee from in Acts 21:25 and 2 Tim 2:22. Such sex sin should be avoided by disciples of Jesus Christ. "3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; 4that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, 5not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God;" 1 Th 4 [4.] A single woman letting a man touch his penis to her skin (feet, legs, thighs, buttocks, buns, stomach, back, hand, arm, arm pit, neck, face and/or mouth) is a single woman relating by her skin to a man by means of his genital, therefore it is <07901 shakab> behavior. If her relating to the man by his genital and her skin was voluntary and she did not cry out for someone to rescue her from the man's sexual activity, it was sex sin (Deut 22:23-29; Acts 21:16-26; 1 Cor 6:9-20), the sex sin we are told to avoid and flee from in Acts 21:25 and 2 Tim 2:22. Such sex sin should be avoided by disciples of Jesus Christ. "22 Abstain from every form of evil." 1 Th 5 ESV [5.] If a man imagines and/or thinks about doing any of the sex sins above with a single woman, it is <07901 shakab> behavior, it is sex sin (Mat 5;28; Deut 22:23-29; Acts 21:16-26; 1 Cor 6:9-20), the sex sin we are told to avoid and flee from in Acts 21:25 and 2 Tim 2:22. Such sex sin should be avoided by disciples of Jesus Christ. "25 . . . we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from . . . sexual immorality.? Acts 21 ESV [6.] If a man imagines, thinks about or actually does touch any part of a woman's skin other than her privates (pudenda, vagina, clitoris, vulva, labia, #*++, breasts, nipples) with any part of his body than his penis and/or scrotum, it is not specifically or explicitly declared to be sin in the Bible, as far as I know, and comes under the principles of Romans 14. So as far as I know, it is a Romans 14 matter for a man to imagine, think about or actually use his hands or feet to massage a single woman's feet, legs, thighs, buns, stomach, back, neck, hands, arms and/or face. The husband has sexual authority over the body of his wife (1 Cor 7:3,4), so any other man should get permission from him before he imagines, thinks about or actually touches those nonsexual parts of another man's woman. [7.] If a woman imagines, thinks about or actually does touch any part of a man's skin other than his penis and/or scrotum with any part of her body other than her her privates (pudenda, vagina, clitoris, vulva, labia, #*++, breasts, nipples), it is not specifically or explicitly declared to be sin in the Bible, as far as I know, and comes under the principles of Romans 14. So as far as I know, it is a Romans 14 matter for a single woman to imagine, think about or actually let a man use his hands/feet to massage her feet, legs, thighs, buns, stomach, back, neck, hands, arms and/or face. The husband has sexual authority over the body of his wife (1 Cor 7:3,4), so any other man should get permission form him before she lets another man imagine, think about or actually touch those parts of hers; and she needs to get her own man's permission before she lets another man imagine, think about or actually touch her nonsexual parts. [8.] The act of sexually stimulating oneself to to orgasm, without

physical contact with another, is no where in the Bible declared specifically, explicitly or clearly to be sin, as long as one does not think sexually sinful thoughts, does not think of or imagine doing sex sin while stimulating oneself. Self-stimulation that doesn't involve thoughts of actions that are specifically, explicitly and clearly declared to be sin by God, such self-stimulation becomes a matter of Romans 14. As far as I know, if a man has the doubt-free faith/belief that it is acceptable to God to self-stimulate to orgasm while thinking about kissing, licking and/or manually touching a single woman's feet, legs, thighs, buns, back, stomach, neck, hands, arms and/or face - while and after having massaged those body parts with olive oil and honey, it is a Romans 14 issue and he should have such faith/belief and/or practice privately, discretely and secretly before God according to Romans 14:22-23, being very careful to not discuss,debate or argue about doing it (Rom 14:1; 2 Tim 2:22-24).. [9.] As far as I know, it is a Romans 14 issue if a single woman has the doubt-free faith/belief based on the Word of God that it is acceptable to God to self-stimulate to orgasm while thinking about a man kissing, licking and/or manually touching her feet, legs, thighs, buns, back, stomach, neck, hands, arms and/or face; and she should have such faith/belief and/or practice privately, discretely and secretly before God according to Romans 14:22, being very careful to not discuss, debate or argue about doing it (Rom 14:1; 2 Tim 2:22-24). In the same way, as far as I know, it is a Romans 14 issue if a man has the doubt-free faith/belief from the Word of God that it is acceptable to God to self-stimulate to orgasm while thinking about kissing, licking and/or manually touching the feet, legs, thighs, buns, back, stomach, neck, hands, arms and/or face of a woman; and he should have such faith/belief and/or practice privately, discretely and secretly before God according to Romans 14:22, being very careful to not discuss, debate or argue about doing it (Rom 14:1; 2 Tim 2:22-24) [10.] Touching a woman's breasts &/or nipples, lesbianism, seeing a woman's hairy genitals . . . From Ezek 23 we learn more about sex sin in the following amplified (using Strong?s Lexicon) paraphrase: 'Son of man, there were two women, daughters of one mother. 3 And they committed SEX SIN in Egypt; they committed SEX SIN in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, squeezed, handled, and pressed and there were handled, pressed, squeezed the nipples of their virginity. . . . 8 Neither left she her SEX SINS brought from Egypt; for in her youth they had genital contact with her, and had handled, pressed, and squeezed the breasts and nipples of her virginity, and poured their sex sin upon her. . . 10 These laid bare and made known her pudenda and vagina, . . . and they executed judgment upon her. . . . . . 17 And the children of Babylon came to her in the genital contact of lovemaking, and their sexual emissions defiled her with their SEX SIN; she shared her sexual emissions with them , and her soul was alienated from them. . . 18 And she laid bare and made known her sex sins, and laid bare and made known her pudenda and vagina; and my soul was alienated from her, like as my soul was alienated from her sister. . . . 20* and she desired to do evil with their female lovers, whose [sexual] flesh is as the [sexual] flesh of asses, and whose [sexual] issue is as the [sexual] issue of horses. 21 And you remembered the [sexually] loose ways of your early years, in the handling and using of your breasts and nipples by the Egyptians, for the [desire of your] breasts of your youth. . . . Behold, I will raise up your lovers against you, from whom your soul is alienated, and I will bring them against you on every side. 23 . . all of them attractive young men, governors and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses. 24 And they shall come against you . . . and I will put judgment before them, and they shall judge you according to their judgments. 25 And I will set my jealousy against you, and they shall deal furiously with you: they shall cut off your nose and your ears, and your remnant shall fall by the sword; they shall take your sons and your daughters; and your residue shall be devoured by the fire. 26 They shall also strip you of your garments, and take away your fair jewels. [Ezek 23] The sex sins described above should be avoided by disciples of Jesus Christ. "25 . . . we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from . . . sexual immorality.? Acts 21 ESV [11.] embracing, handling, pressing, using and/or squeezing the breasts of a woman - - - Couple Ezek 23 - - 3* And they committed SEX SIN in Egypt; they committed SEX SIN in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, squeezed, handled, and pressed and there were handled, pressed, squeezed the nipples of their virginity. . . 8* Neither left she her SEX SINS brou ght from Egypt; for in her youth they had genital contat with her, and had handled, pressed, and squeezed the breasts and nipples of her virginity, and poured their sex sin upon her. . . 21 And she made the memory of the loose ways of her early years come back to mind, in the handling and using of your breasts and nipples by the Egyptians, for the [desire of your] breasts of your youth. - - - - with Prov 5 - - - - Prov 5:19,20 [with Strong's references] And why will you, my son, be ravished <07686> (8799) with an immoral woman estranged [from God and His people]<02114> (8801), and embrace <02263> (8762) the bosom <02436> of one who is an alien [to God and His people] <05237>? - - - - the understanding I have is that embracing, handling, pressing, using and/or squeezing the breasts of a woman who is not your own woman maritally - - - whether or not the breats/nipples be clothed or bare - - - is sex sin. The sex sins described above should be avoided by disciples of Jesus Christ. "25 . . . we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from . . . sexual immorality." Acts 21 ESV [12.] Laying bare, uncovering, and/or exposing the pudenda/vulva/labia/vagina/clitoris of a woman - - > Ezek 23 makes it clear that it is sex sin to lay bare, uncover, and/or expose the pudenda/vulva/labia/vagina/clitoris of a woman who is not your own marital partner "18* And she laid bare and made known her sex sins, and laid bare and made known her pudenda and vagina; and my soul was alienated from her, like as my soul was alienated from her sister." A woman laying bare and publicly exposing her pudenda/vagina/labia/#*++ should be avoided by disciples of Jesus Christ. "18 Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside he body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body." 1Cor ESV [13.] Oral sex when single or with a single woman - - >The nonJewish Christian might be tempted to use 1 Tim 4:1-4 to rationalize doing oral sex when single or with a single woman. The error in that is that it is essential to realize that "fornication, sexual immorality, sex sin" at the time of Acts 14, before the nonJewish Christians were released from most of the Sinai Law in Acts 15 and 21:15-26 - - - is the same sin after Acts 15 and 21 for Jewish Christians. This means nonJews/Gentiles have to carefully observe the principles given in Rom 14, 1 Cor 8 and 10 in their fellowship with

Jewish Christians who are still observing the Sinai Law. For a proper understanding of the Word on "fornication, sexual immorality, sex sin" when the Spirit led the Apostles in Acts 15 and Acts 21:15-26, it has to be observed that the Spirit did not move the Apostles to change the definition of "fornication, sexual immorality, sex sin". Just as Jesus did not change the definition of "fornication, sexual immorality, sex sin" when He first spoke of "fornication, sexual immorality, sex sin" in Mat 5:32; 19:9; the Apostles - inspired by the Spirit - in the same way did not change the definition of "fornication, sexual immorality, sex sin" when they instructed the nonJewish Christians to avoid "fornication, sexual immorality, sex sin" in Acts 15 and Acts 21:15-26. Oral sex and anal sex were sin for Jewish Christians because of the Sinai Laws of sex and uncleanness that both Jesus and the Apostles observed (Mat 23:3; Acts 21:24, 25, 26) the same Sinai Laws about "fornication, sexual immorality, sex sin" that the Spirit imposed on the nonJewish Christians when they told them to abstain from "fornication, sexual immorality, sex sin" in Acts 15 and Acts 21:15-26. Oral sex and anal sex were sin for Jewish Christians during Acts 14, and they continued to be sin after Acts 15. That at least means that nonJewish/Gentile Christians must be careful to observe Romans 14; 1 Cor 8 and 1 Cor 10 as to oral and anal sex when relating to Jewish believers. Consider the principle of Romans 14 re Gentile sexual relations (paraphrased in [brackets] for application and clarity): Rom 14:1 Now accept the one who weak in faith, but not for passing judgment on or disputing his opinions/doubts. . . . 16 Let not then your [conviction that oral sex is] good be evil spoken of; 17 for the kingdom of God is not [oral sex] and [self-stimulation], but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 For one that in this [controversy about oral sex] serves the Christ is acceptable to God and approved of men. 19 So then let us pursue the things which tend to peace, and things whereby one shall build up another. 20 For the sake of [oral sex] do not destroy the work of God. All things [including oral sex] indeed are pure; but it is evil to that one who [does oral sex] while stumbling [in sin] because of his/her doubts about its rightness. 21 It is right not to [do oral sex], nor [not do oral sex], nor do anything in which thy brother [or sister] stumbles [striking the toe of one's conscience against an obstacle inducing one to sin by acting in doubt], or is offended [or stumbles or is enticed to act without faith or think unfavourably or unjustly of another and so displeased and indignant], or is made weak [morally feeble, without strength, powerless]. 22 Have you faith [to believe that oral sex is right and so practice it]? Have that conviction to yourself before God. Blessed is the one who does not judge oneself in what [belief or practice of oral sex] one allows [with a firm and convinced faith in its rightness]. 23 But one that doubts [about the rightness of oral sex], if [that] one [does oral ex], [that one] is condemned; because that one did oral sex not because of faith [in its rightness]; but whatever [behavior or thought does not originate from] faith [in its rightness before God] is sin. Oral sex and genital to skin contact involves unholiness, uncleanness. The sin of uncleanness is the sin of violating holiness, sanctification, being set apart only for designated actions/functions. In marriage the wife's body is sexually sanctified, set apart, for her husband who has sexual authority over it; and the husband's body is sanctified, set apart, for his wife who has sexual authority over it (1 Cor 7:2-5). Holiness and moral cleanness are really important thing to God. In heterosexual relations, relating to someone by means of a sex organ, with someone other than your own marital partner is uncleanness and is a violation of holiness and sanctification. [14.] MORE THOUGHTS ON ORAL AND ANAL SEX Acts 15 and 21 make it clear that in the early church there were two very distinct communities, the Jews who had accepted Jesus as their Messiah and the Gentiles (nonJews) who had accepted Jesus as their God, King, Savior, Deliverer, Redeemer. The Spirit made it clear in Acts 15:20,29; and 21:25 that at that time the Gentile (nonJewish) believers were in the minority and were attending fellowships where most of the believers were Jewish, so the Gentile believers were instructed to abstain from behaviors that would deeply offend the Jewish believers. In 1 Tim 4:1-5 the Spirit revealed that when the Gentile believers were not in the presence of Jewish believers, they could eat any meat they receive with thanksgiving to God. Even after the Gentile believers' Declaration of Independence from the Sinai Law, given in Ephes 2 and Colos 2, if they were fellowshipping with Jewish believers they were still required to fellowship with them in the manner prescribed in 1 Cor 8:8-13 and 1 Cor 10:23-32. For Jewish believers oral and/or anal sex involve unholiness, uncleanness. In the Sinai Law the sin of uncleanness is the sin of violating holiness, sanctification, being set apart only for designated actions/functions. Holiness and moral cleanness are really important thing to God. Leviticus has many of the Sinai Laws declaring what is unclean and what uncleanness is. The instructions in Leviticus about uncleanness make it clear that for Jewish believers oral and anal sex should be avoided to be blessed of God. For Gentile believers there is no Scripture that explicity and specifically condemns oral and/or anal sex between a husband and his wife. Read Lev 18 and Lev 20 for yourself and see. There are very real and genuine health hazards with anal sex especially, but there are also health dangers with oral sex. Oral sex exposes both to cardnerella vaginalis, and the infectious species found in the mouths of those who have gingivitis and peridontitis that can result in bladder infections, and for the man, prostate infections. Anal sex exposes both to enterococcus faecalis, staphylococcus aureus; staphylococcus epidermidis, streptococcus agalactiae, enterobacter species, escherichia coli, klebsiella species, proteus species, bifidobacterium species, peptococcus species, peptostreptococcus species; propionibacterium species, bacteroides species, B. fragilis, E-coli and pseudomonas, that are deadly and antibacterial resistant. Anal sex can result in serious bladder and prostate infections for the man. It is shere madness to have anal-oral sex no matter how clean you may think you both are before the act, unless you both place little value on your health and lives. So absolute cleanliness is necessary before after and during oral or anal sex. If the wife chooses to let her husband do anal sex, she should use a water enema first followed by a Fleet Regular Oil eneama soon before having genital-anal sex. The couple should not do anal sex if the wife has soft or loose bowel movements, because anal sex results in a weakening of the rectal sphincter, which results in bowel leakage from the #*++/rectum, requiring the wife to have to wear panty liners to catch the bowel leakage. If either partner has gingivitis or peridontitis, gum diseases evidenced by bleeding gums when brushing teeth, it is possible to give your mate bladder infections and vagina infections in oral sex. The key passage for oral and anal sex is Romans 14, and I amplify and [apply] here to help your understanding: '19 So then, we must pursue what promotes peace and what builds up one another. 20 Do not tear down God's work because of food [or marital sex acts]. Everything is clean, but it is wrong for a man to cause stumbling by what he eats [or does in marital sex]. 21 It is a noble

thing not to eat meat, or drink wine, or do ANYTHING that makes your brother/sister stumble. 22 Do you have faith [the Bible based and Spirit confirmed belief that oral/anal sex is acceptable to God]? [Privately and discretely] keep it to yourself before God. Blessed is the [person] who does not condemn him/herself by what he/she approves. 23 But whoever doubts [the rightness of marital oral/anal sex] stands condemned if he/she [does it], because his/her [marital sex] is not from faith [based on the Bible and Spirit confirmed], and everything that is not from faith is sin.' The instructions in 1 Cor 10 and Romans 4 make it clear that if Gentile believers believe in and practice anal and/or oral sex, they need to obey Rom 14:1 and not discuss or debate these issues with the Jewish believers, and they definitely need to make sure that they do not tell the Jewish believers that they do oral and/or anal sex in their own marriages (Rom 14). If you have doubts about the rightness before God of oral &/or anal sex in your marital intimacy, you shouldn't do it and your husband shouldn't coerce you into doing it. See Romans 14.

ANAL SEX: The COLON has enormous bacterial population. One third of feces is bacteria. There are up to 1012 organisms/gram per There are over 300 different bacterial species in the colon. It is very important for good health to keep colon contents from entering t vagina, the urethra and the mouth. The colon contains very harmful pseudomonas and enterococci infections that are antibiotic resist can cause death if not treated effectively. Source http://www.biomedcentral....1092-8472/3/249/abstract Source: http://www.biologie.uni-h.../lectures/symbiosis.html

***Rom 14:1 Accept and welcome anyone who is weak in faith, but don't argue about or pass judgment on doubtful and disputable is opinions and reasonings [like those about oral and/or anal sex]. . . . 19 We should therefore make every effort to do what leads to p to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food [or oral and/or anal sex]. All food is clean, but it is wron man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble; [and similarly marriage is holy, but it is wrong for one to do oral and/or an such a way that causes someone to stumble into sin] 21 It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or [do oral and/or anal sex] by w brother stumbles [into sin]. 22 Your personal convictions [oral and/or anal sex]--exercise [them] as in God's presence, keeping them yourself [privately and discretely with likeminded people]. Blessed (happy, to be envied) is he who has no reason to judge himself fo approves [as to oral and/or anal sex]. 23 But the man who has doubts (misgivings, an uneasy conscience) about eating [or oral and/ sex], and then eats [or has oral and/or anal sex], stands condemned [before God], because he is not true to his convictions and he d act from faith [based on the Word of God]. For whatever does not originate and proceed from faith [based on the Word of God] is sin Now we who are strong [in our liberty in Christ] have an obligation to bear the weaknesses of those without strength [in their faith], a please ourselves. 2 Each one of us must please his neighbor for his good, in order to build him up. 3 For even the Messiah did not ple Himself. . . . From the AmpBible & etc

***Another Word regulating the practice of oral and/or anal sex is 1 Cor 10, again paraphrased for application: '23 "All things are lawful, but not all things are helpful. All things are lawful, but not all things build up. 24 No one should seek his o benefit, but the benefit of his neighbor. 25 [Practice any Biblical form of marriage you wish] without raising any question on the grou conscience. . . . 27 If one of the unbelievers invites you to [a public and official meeting] and you are disposed to go, [partake in the without raising any question on the ground of conscience. 28 But if someone says to you, [Oral and/or anal sex is illegal here and sin then do not [discuss] it [or publicly debate or argue about or pass judgment on the doubtful and disputable issues, opinions and rea about your personal beliefs or practice re oral and/or anal sex], for the sake of the one who informed you, and for the sake of consci 29 I do not mean your conscience, but his. For why should my [personal and private sexual] liberty be determined by someone elses conscience? 30 If I partake [of oral and/or anal sex in my marriage] with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of that for whic thanks? 31 So, whether you [practice oral and/or anal sex with your marital partner], or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. no offense to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God, 33 just as I try to please everyone in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage, but that of many, that they may be saved.'

Please take seriously the Romans 14:23 rule, which in common terms means "If in doubt, DON'T", if you have doubts about the spiritu rightness or correctness or the oral sex acts described in this post, then you shouldn't do them. If your marital partner has such doub any of the oral sex acts described in this post, you should not encourage him/her to do them, for that would be to cause them to sin. ***Rom 14:20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food [or oral and/or anal sex]. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a m anything that causes someone else to stumble; [and similarly marriage is holy, but it is wrong for one to do oral and/or anal sex in su that causes someone to stumble into sin] 21 It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or [do oral and/or anal sex] by which your br stumbles [into sin]. . . . 23 But the man who has doubts (misgivings, an uneasy conscience) about eating [or oral and/or anal sex], a eats [or has oral and/or anal sex], stands condemned [before God], because he is not true to his convictions and he does not act from [based on the Word of God]. For whatever does not originate and proceed from faith [based on the Word of God] is sin. [15.] DOING UNGODLY SEXUAL THINGS TO A PERSON We know a person Loves and is Loving when he/she Loves a person with a Love that is patient and kind, which knows neither envy nor jealousy, is not self-advancing and self-assertive, nor irritable, boastful, conceited or resentful; that does not behave unbecomingly, rudely, arrogantly, nor seek to aggrandize herself, nor blaze out in passionate anger, nor brood over wrongs; and that finds no pleasure in injustice done to others, but joyfully sides with the truth; which knows how to be silent, is full of trust, full of hope, and full of patient endurance. To treat another person in any other way than this way, described in 1 Cor 13, is to do sin to that other person. People being treated in any way contrary to the Way of Love described here is showing sin and should be avoided, abstained from, rebuked and not seen. " 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not associate with them; . . . 10 and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. 11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them." Eph 5 ESV So expose these sex sins that are works of darkness. [16] What about thinking of doing sex with a cartoon/animation image? What about enjoying a cartoon showing a woman exposing her pudenda/vulva/vagina/#*++ to you and the viewing public? Just as it is sin to enjoy and delight in people doing sex sin, it is sinful to enjoy any representation of sex sin, whether it be with people, animals, cartoons or animations. For you to enjoy seeing a cartoon female do sex sin, or to see a cartoon figure do what would be sex sin for people, is to enjoy the thought of that sex sin, to enjoy the sex sin shown in the cartoon/animation. Sure the figures are not real, but if the act they are demonstrating is sinful, then you are enjoying the idea of that act. If you enjoy seeing a female cartoon figure show her vagina, labia, clitoris, #*++, you are enjoying the idea of that sex sin. >>>"32 In short, though knowing full well the sentence which God pronounces against actions such as theirs, as things which deserve death, they not only keep on doing them, but even encourage and applaud others who do them. . . ." Rom 1 >>>"4 For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds. 5 We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and TAKE EVERY THOUGHT CAPTIVE to obey Christ, 6 being ready to punish every disobedience, when your obedience is complete. If you think of relating with a cartoon figure by means of your genital, when you know that the only one you should relate to by means of your genital is the mate to whom God has joined you in marriage, you are doing sex sin with a cartoon image. God's solution for sex sin is for each man to be sexually having his own woman, not for each man to be imagining have sex with a cartoon figure. To find another solution other than God's is sin. >>>"1Cor 7:2 but because of cases of immorality, every man should be having his own woman, and each [woman should be] having her own husband." >>>"5And Jehovah seeth that abundant is the wickedness of man in the earth, and every IMAGINATION OF THE THOUGHTS of his heart only evil all the day; 6and Jehovah repenteth that He hath made man in the earth, and

He grieveth Himself?unto His heart" Gen 6 Yng >>>" 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not associate with them; . . . 10 and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. 11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them." Eph 5 ESV

[17] The Bible and Polygyny - Wives having/sharing one husband ***Ex 20:22 "And the Lord said to Moses, "Thus shall you say to the Israelites, You have seen for yourselves that I have talked with heaven. . . 21:1 And these are the ordinances you [Moses] shall set before [the Israelites]. . . .7 If a man sells his daughter to be a maidservant or handmaid, she shall not go out [free] as the bondmen go out. 8 If she is unacceptable in the eyes of her master, wh espoused her to himself, he shall let her be redeemed. To sell her to a foreign people he shall have no power, for he has dealt faithle her. . . 10 If he takes ANOTHER WIFE to himself, her food, clothing, and conjugal privilege as a wife he shall not diminish. 11 And if not do these three things for her, then shall she go out free, without payment of money."<Br>

***Deut 6: "1And these are the commandments, the statutes, and the ordinances, which Jehovah your God commanded to teach you may do them in the land whereunto you pass over to possess it, . . . 21: 15 If a man have TWO WIVES, one beloved, and one hated, have borne him children, both the beloved and the hated, and the firstborn son be hers that was hated; . . . 1 7 but he shall acknowle firstborn the son of the hated, . . ."<Br>

***2Sam 3:2 Sons were born to David at Hebron: his firstborn was Amnon, by Ahinoam the Jezreelitess; 3 and his second, Chileab, the widow of Nabal the Carmelite; and the third, Absalom the son of Maacah, the daughter of Talmai, king of Geshur; . . . 5:13 And D more CONCUBINES and WIVES out of Jerusalem, after he came from Hebron, and other sons and daughters were born to [him]. 4 an fourth, Adonijah the son of Haggith; and the fifth, Shephatiah the son of Abital; 5 and the sixth, Ithream, by David's wife Eglah. These born to David at Hebron. . . .7:8 So now say this to My servant David, Thus says the Lord of hosts: I took you from the pasture, from the sheep, to be prince over My people Israel. . . . 16 And your house and your kingdom shall be made sure forever before you; you shall be established forever. . . 18 Then King David went in and sat before the Lord, and said, Who am I, O Lord God, and what is my that You have brought me this far? . . . 29 Therefore now let it please You to bless the house of Your servant, that it may continue for before You; for You, O Lord God, have spoken it, and with Your blessing let [his] house be blessed forever. . [Jehovah-Jesus blessed polygynist with at least seven wives/concubines]. . 12:7 Then Nathan said to David, You are the man! Thus says the Lord, the God of anointed you king of Israel, and I delivered you out of the hand of Saul. 8And I gave you your master's house, and your master's W your bosom, and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would have added that much again. . . . says the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against you out of your own house; and I will take your WIVES before your eyes and give th your neighbor, and he shall lie with your WIVES in the sight of this sun. . . . 16:21 Ahithophel replied to Absalom, "Sleep with your fat CONCUBINES he left to take care of the palace. When all Israel hears that you have become repulsive to your father, everyone with be encouraged." 22 So they pitched a tent for Absalom on the roof, and he slept with his father's CONCUBINES in the sight of all Israe [wives=concubines=wives]

***Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to do away with or undo the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to do away with or un complete and fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little ho [identifying certain Hebrew letters] will pass from the Law until all things [it foreshadows] are accomplished. 19 Whoever then breaks away with or relaxes one of the least [important] of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least [important] in the of heaven, but he who practices them and teaches others to do so shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." . . . 23: 1 Then Je to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses seat, 3 so practice and observe whatever they tell y not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice."<Br>

***Acts 15:3 So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through both Phoenicia and Samaria, describing in detail the con of the Gentiles, and brought great joy to all the brothers. . . . 5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose u said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses. . . . "The brothers, both the apostles and the el the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. 24 Since we have heard that some persons have gon us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, . . . 28For it has seemed good to the Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell." 21:18 The following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. . . . 20 And when they heard it, they glorified they said to him, "You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed. They are all zealous Law, . . . 24 take these men and purify yourself along with them and pay their expenses, so that they may shave their heads. Thus a know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that YOU [PAUL] YOURSELF ALSO LIVE IN OBSERVANCE OF THE [given to Moses]. 25 But as for the Gentiles who have believed, we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality."

In Leviticus 18 and 20 is a very specific and explicit list of sexual sins, sinful behaviors. Can you be any more specific than that? If polygyny were sin, Jehovah-Jesus would have specifically and explicitly said so. Instead in the Scriptures cited above you see Jehovah-Jesus legislating polygyny in specific cases, and giving additional wives (Saul's wives) to David. Yes Romans 13 makes it clear that polygyny is sin if it is illegal to practice polygyny openly and legally under the weapon bearing aut over you, but Romans 14 indicates that a child of God can practice Biblical polygyny privately, discretely and/or secretly: ***Rom 14 amplified, expanded and applied to polygyny for clarity: 1As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not for th of arguing or quarreling over different opinions. . . . 16 Let not then your [conviction that polygyny is] good be evil spoken of; 17 for kingdom of God is not [polygyny] and [monogyny], but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 For she that in this [controversy about polygyny] serves the Christ is acceptable to God and approved of men. 19 So then let us pursue the things which peace, and things whereby one shall build up another. 20 For the sake of [polygyny] do not destroy the work of God. All things [includ polygyny] indeed are pure; but it is evil to that woman who [becomes polygynous] while stumbling [in sin] because of her doubts abo rightness. 21 It is right not to [take a second wife], nor [take a third wife], nor do anything in which thy brother [or sister] stumbles [ the toe of one's conscience against an obstacle inducing one to sin by acting in doubt], or is offended [ or stumbles or is enticed to ac faith or think unfavourably or unjustly of another and so displesed and indignant], or is made weak [morally feeble, without strength, powerless]. 22 Have you faith [to believe polygyny is right and so practice it]? Have that conviction to yourself [secretly, privately &/o discretely] before God. Blessed is the one who does not judge oneself in what [belief or practice of polygyny] one allows [with a firm convinced faith in its rightness]. 23 But one that doubts [about the rightness of polygyny], if [that] one [becomes polygynous], [that o condemned; because that one became polygynous not because of faith [in its rightness]; but whatever [behavior or thought does no from] faith [in its rightness before God] is sin.

In light of all of this, after seeing that Jesus-Jehovah legislated polygyny under Moses, blessed King David while he had wives and con after blessing him the giving him Saul's widows as additional wives/concubines, stated the importance of obeying the Law given to Mo before He was crucified, by His Spirit released the nonJewish believers from having to obey the Law without releasing the Paul and th Apostles from having to obey the Law (not for salvation but to keep their ancestors' covenant and as part of the good works to which were called Eph 2:8,9,10), one has no Biblical or Scriptural basis for declaring the Law's Biblical polygyny to be sin. There is great dan declaring to be sin that which God does not declare to be sin. See Deut 4:2; 12:32; and Prov 30:6. ***Mark 7:7 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' 8You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.". . . 13 thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [18.] Important terms, words and concepts dealing with sexual morality - - - From the useage of the word in the passages listed below, we see how Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary describes these sexual acts in its definition of intercourse, "3: physical sexual contact between individuals that involves the genitalia of at least one person." We know that sexual relations are relations where one relates to another by means of a sex organ, the penis, scrotum, pudenda, vulva, labia, clitoris, and/or vagina. Fluids from the body can make one unclean, an important issue for Jewish Christians who are still observing the Sinai Law, like the Apostles in Acts 15 & 21; Eph 2:10 and Tt 3:8. Lev 15:32This is the law for him that hath a flux, and for the one whose seed of copulation goeth from him, and who is defiled<02930> (8738) therewith: Num 5:13 . . . and she be defiled <02930> (8738) . . . 14 . . . and she be defiled <02930> (8738) . . . 20 But if thou hast gone aside <07847> (8804) to another instead of thy husband <0376>, and if thou be defiled <02930> (8738) . . . 27 . . . then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled <02930> (8738), and have done <04603> (8799) trespass <04604> against her husband . . . 28 And if the woman <0802> be not defiled <02930> (8738), but be clean; . . . 29 . . . when a wife <0802> goeth aside <07847> (8799) to another instead of her husband <0376>, and is defiled <02930> (8738); 02930 tame' {taw-may'}; v 1) to be unclean, become unclean, become impure 1b) (Niphal 8738) 1b1) to defile oneself, be defiled

1b1a) sexually Lev 15: 32 This is the law <08451> of . . . him whose seed <02233> <07902> goeth <03318> (8799) from him, and is defiled <02930> (8800) therewith; 33 . . . and of him that hath <02100> (8802) an issue <02101>, of the man <02145>, and of the woman <05347>, . . . . From the useage of the word in the passages below and above, we see how Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary describes these sexual acts in its definition of intercourse, "3: physical sexual contact between individuals that involves the genitalia of at least one person." We know that sexual relations are relations where one relates to another by means of a sex organ, the penis, scrotum, pudenda, vulva, labia, clitoris, and/or vagina. So the full meaning of Lev 18:22 * And thou shalt not have genital contact with mankind, as one has genital contact with a woman: it is an abomination. ++++Dt 22:28 * If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and have genital contact with her <07901>, and they be found; 29 * Then the man that had genital contact with her<07901> shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. ++++Ex22: 16* And if a man seduce a virgin that is not betrothed, and lie<07901-shakab> with her, he shall certainly endow her, to be his wife. Strong's Lexicon: <07901> shakab {shaw-kab'}; Qal; v: to lie (of sexual relations); of relating to another sexually, i.e. relating to another by means of an external sex organ, penis or pudenda/vulva/labia/clitoris/vagina. A man sexually relates to a woman by genital to genital sex, genital to mouth sex, genital to hand sex, genital to anal sex - in fact by penis to almost any part of a woman. In the case of the last three of these, the genital and or breasts of the woman need not be involved for it to be Shakab-Koitayn<7901> sex. A woman sexually relates to a man by genital to genital sex, genital to mouth sex, genital to hand sex, genital to anal sex - in fact by penis to almost any part of a woman. In the case of the last three of these, the genital of the man need not be involved for it to be Shakab-Koitayn<7901> sex. A homosexual relates to a man by genital to genital sex, genital to mouth sex, genital to hand sex, genital to anal sex - in fact by penis to almost any part of a woman. In the case of the last three of these, the genital of one of the males need not be involved for it to be Shakab-Koitayn<7901> sex.

***We know that it is sex sin for a man to touch and/or do the breasts of a woman who is not his own (Prov 5:19,20,21; Ezek 23:3,8,21; Acts 21:16-26; 1 Cor 6:9-20). So it is a sex sin for a woman to let a man who is not her own man touch and/or do her breasts. Cartoons and animations that portray such sex sin and people who do such sex sin should be avoided by disciples of Jesus Christ. "25 . . . we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from . . . sexual imm Acts 21 ESV ***We know that it is sex sin for a man to see, touch and/or do the pudenda, vulva, clitoris, and/or vagina of a woman who is not his own woman (Prov 5:19,20,21; Ezek 23:3-21; Acts 21:16-26; 1 Cor 6:9-20). Since the #*++ is usually just an inch from the vagina, it is logical that it would come under the same principles as the vagina. It is an acrobatic feet to cover the vagina but not the #*++, to touch the #*++ and not touch the vagina. So it is sex sin for a woman to let a man (who is not her own man) see, touch and/or do her pudenda, vulva, clitoris, vagina and/or #*++. Cartoons and animations that portray such sex sin and people who do such sex sinshould be avoided by disciples of Jesus Christ. "25 . . . we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from . . . sexual immorality.? Acts 21 ESV ***We know that it is sex sin for a married woman to touch the genitals of a man who is not her own man (De 25:11,12). Cartoons and animations that portray such sex sin and people who do such sex sin should be avoided by disciples of Jesus Christ. "25 . . . we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from . . . sexual immorality.? Acts 21 ESV [19.] Homosexuality, bisexuality, lesbianism >>>>>Homosexuality and ROMANS 1:26,27,32<<<<<<<<<

ROM 1: 26 For this reason God gave them up to vile and strong sexually excessive desires<3806>; for both their females changed th instinctive<5446> sexual intercourse<5540> into that contrary to natural reproduction<5449>; 27 and similarly <3668> the males a leaving the natural instinctive<5446> sexual intercourse<5540> with the female, were inflamed in their lust [=very strong and sinful desire] towards one another; males with males working out fully <2716> [their] external genitals<808>, and receiving in themselves recompense of their error which was fit. . . . 32 who knowing the righteous judgment of God, that they who do such things are worth death, not only practise them, but have fellow delight in those who do [them]. DBY + Strong's and Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon

ROM 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. MEN COMMITTED INDE ACTS WITH OTHER MEN, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. . . 32 Although they know God's righteous d that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice th NIV

ROM 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. . . . 32 and although they k ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval t who practice them. NASB >>>>>Homosexuality and 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9, 10<<<<<

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceiv (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor boys kept for homosexuality<Strng: 3120>, nor males w participate in sexual contact involving anal or oral copulation with males.<Strng: 730+2845=733>, 10 Nor cheats (swindlers and thiev greedy graspers, nor drunkards, nor foulmouthed revilers and slanderers, nor extortioners and robbers will inherit or have any share kingdom of God. AB with Strong's Greek Lexicon

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters n adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers w the kingdom of God. NIV

1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, no adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit kingdom of God. NASB >>>>>>>>>Homosexuality and 1 TIMOTHY 1:10<<<<<<<<

1 Tim 1: 9Knowing and understanding this: that the Law is not enacted for the righteous (the upright and just, who are in right standin God), but for the lawless and unruly, for the ungodly and sinful, for the irreverent and profane, for those who strike and beat and [ev

murder fathers and strike and beat and [even] murder mothers, for manslayers, 10[For sexually] impure and immoral persons, nor males who participate in sexual contact involving anal or oral copulation with male <Strng: 730+2845=733>, , kidnapers, liars, perjurers--and whatever else is opposed to wholesome teaching and sound doctrine.

1 Timothy 1:9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungo sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderer and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, NASB

1 Timothy 1:9 understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sin the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homo enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, ESV

>>>*** Lev 18:22 * And you shalt not have genital contact<07901> with mankind as one has genital contact with a woman: it is an abomination. 23 And you shalt have genital contact<07901> with no beast to become unclean therewith; and a woman shall not stand beast to have genital contact<07901> with it: it is confusion. [Strong's 07901 shakab {shaw-kab'}; 1) to lie down 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to lie, lie down, lie on, to lie (of sexual relations, relating to another by means of a sex organ)] The 3rd Century B.C. Jewish translators who gave us the Septuagint translateded the Hebrew "Shakab" as "Koitayn" in the Greek. Koitayn is rendered by Linguists Strong and Thayer as "cohabitation, . intercourse." Harper's Analytical Greek Lexicon agrees. Linguists Arndt & Gingrich go even further rendering it as "sexual intercourse seminal emission (Num 5:20 . . . Lev 15:16f, 32; 18:20; 22:4 . . .)." This is the Greek word used in Heb 13:4 of marital sex in the ma bed. To have sexual intercourse with someone is to be communicating and/or interacting with someone by means of a sex organ (penis, pudenda, vulva, clitoris, vagina - see Ezek 23). Ezek 23 also shows us that it is also sin, with promised punishment/consequences to sexually communicate/interact with a female, other than your own God given heterosexual marital partn means of her breasts.

>>>Ezekiel 23: 2 Son of man, there were two women, daughters of one mother. 3* And they committed SEX SIN in Egypt; they com SEX SIN in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, squeezed, handled, and there were handled, pressed, squeezed the nipples virginity. . . . 8* Neither left she her SEX SINS brought from Egypt; for in her youth they had [SEXUALLY] lain with her, and had hand pressed, and squeezed the breasts and nipples of her virginity, and poured their sex sin upon her. . . 10* These laid bare and made her pudenda and vagina, . . . . . . 17* And the children of Babylon came to her into the SEXUAL LYING DOWN of lovemaking, and they and with her with their SEX SIN; she too climaxed herself with them , and her soul was alienated from them. . . . . 18* And she laid b made known her sex sins, and laid bare and made known her pudenda and vagina; 19 Yet she multiplied her sex sins, remembering of her youth in which she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt. 20 and SHE EVILLY DESIRED THEIR FEMALE PARAMOURS^, whos flesh/genital is [as] the flesh of asses, and whose issue is [as] the issue of horses. 21 And she made the memory of the loose ways o early years come back to mind, in the handling and using of your breasts and nipples by the Egyptians, for the [desire of your]breas your youth. . . . [Ezek 23] [^ Strong's 6370: Everywhere that Hebrew word is found in the OT it is a female = lesbianism & bisexuality. The fact that her evil des coupled with the descriptionof the genitals and excretion of the women she desired, clearly shows that her harlotry included lesbianism bisexuality. Everywhere Strong's 06370 is found in the Bible it signifies a woman in a sexual or marital relaitonship, and is used to de wives/concubines of Abraham (Gn25:6; 1Ch 1:32); Jacob (Gn 35:22); Caleb (1Ch 2:46,48), Gideon (Jd 8:31), Saul (2Sa 3:7; 21:11), (2Sa 5:13; 12:11; 15:16; 16:21,22; 19:5; 20:3), Solomon (Song 6:8,9).]

>>>Homosexuality and REV 21:8<<<<<<< Caps are mine CONTEXT: HEB 5:14 But solid food is for full-grown men, for those whose senses and mental faculties are trained by practice to discri and distinguish between what is MORALLY good and noble and what is evil and contrary either to divine or human law. AB CONTEXT:Romans 1:28 And because they did not think it worthwhile to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them over to a worthless mind to do wha MORALLY wrong. CONTEXT: James 1:21 Therefore, get rid of all MORAL filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you. Rev 21:8 But as for the cowards and the ignoble and the contemptible and the cravenly lacking in courage and the cowardly submissi as for the unbelieving and faithless, and as for the depraved and defiled with abominations, and as for murderers and those who have contact with females who aren't their own marital partners <Strng: 4204+4205>, and the practicers of magic arts and the idolaters a --[all of these shall have] their part in the lake that blazes with fire and brimstone. This is the second death. AB REV 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the SEXUALLY IMMORAL, those who practice magic arts, the idol all liarstheir place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." NIV REV 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the SEXUALLY IMMORAL, sorcerers, idolaters, and a their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death. ESV [20.] What about sex with next of kin, relatives, cousins and in-laws? In Leviticus 18 and 20 the following are listed as sins: 1. Genital contact with a sibling, blood relative &/or a near relative-by-law 2. Genital contact with your parent's/parents' marital partner 3. Genital contact with step-brother or step-sister 4. Genital contact with the child or one of your children 5. Genital contact with a sibling of one of your parents 6. Genital contact with the mate of one of your children 7. Genital contact with the mate of one of your siblings 8. Genital contact with one of your step-children 9. Genital contact with someone else's marital partner 10. Genital contact with someone of your own sex 11. Genital contact with an animal, a nonhuman 12. Genital contact with a parent of your marital partner 13. Genital contact with someone who is not your own marital partner, and then failing to marry that person if that person is eligible before God for marriage with you. 14. A brother seeing the external genitalia/pudenda of his sister. 15. A sister seeing the external genitalia of her brother

***Lev 18:9 The genitals of your sister, either your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether born at home or born outsi nakedness you shall not uncover. . . 11'The genitals of your father's wife's daughter, born to your father, she is your sister, you shal uncover her genitals. Young's Literal Translation ***Lev 20:17And a man who taketh his sister, a daughter of his father or daughter of his mother, and he hath seen her nakedness, a seeth his nakedness: it is a shame; and they have been cut off before the eyes of the sons of their people; the nakedness of his siste uncovered; his iniquity he beareth. Young's Literal Translation From Matt 5:17-19 and Matt 23:1-3 we see that Jesus and the Apostles accepted and lived by the Law given in Leviticus 18 and 20 and Deut 22. ***Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to make void the Law or the prophets; I am not come to make void, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Until the heaven and the earth pass away, one iota or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till all come to pass. 19 Whosoever then shall do away with one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of the heavens; but whosoever shall practise and teach, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens. ***Matt 23:1 Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees have set themselves down in Moses seat: 3 all things therefore, whatever they may tell you, do and keep. But do not after their works, for they say and do not,

We know from Acts 15 and 21 that the Apostles and the rest of the Jewish disciples of Jesus were still obeying the Sinai Law, including 20, not for salvation, but to keep their ancestors' Sinai covenant, living according to it as part of the good works to which they were c 2:8-10). We know from Act 15 and 21:15-25 and Galatians, Ephes 2, Colos 2, Romans 14, 1 Cor 8:4-13 and 10:23-33, that the Spirit the nonJews/Gentiles from having to be circumsized and from having to obey the Sinai Law, and showed them how Law observing Christian Jews and freed-from-the-Law Christian Gentiles could fellowship together in one place; BUT we see in Mark 7 Acts 15 and 21:23-25 that Jesus and the Apostles brought the DEFINITION of sex sin UNCHANGEDfrom the Old Testament's Sinai Law in to the Church Age that began at A 2, for all disciples of Christ, both Jew and Gentile. The definitions of sex sin in Lev 18, 20 and Deut 22 define the words "fornication, se immorality" in the Gospels and NT epistles. ***Mark 7:20 And He said, "That which goes forth out of the man, that defiles the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, go forth evil thoughts, adulteries, SEX SINS, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickednesses, deceit, licentiousness, a wicked eye, injurious language, haughtiness, folly; 23 all these wicked things go forth from within and defile the man. ***Acts 21:23 This do therefore that we [Apostles] say to you: "We have four men who

have a vow on them; 24 take these and be purified with them, and pay their expenses, that they may have their heads shaved; and all will know that of which they have been informed about you is nothing; but that you yourse walk orderly, keeping the Law. 25 But concerning the nations who have believed, we have written, deciding that they should keep themselves both from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from SEX SIN. So while we don't carry out the OT penalties for sex sin, we now deal with sex sin in the manner described in 1 Cor 5; 2 Thess 3:6-14; 2 Tim 2;22-26; Gal 6:1; 2 Cor 2. [21] Children and sex and children having sex, being sexual.

The disciples of Jesus Christ are instructed to submit themselves to the political and social authorities that Jesus has allowed to be in weapon bearing authority over them, which includes submitting to their laws regarding chil sex, age of consent, and age in marriage. ***Rom 13: 1 LET EVERY person be loyally subject to the governing (civil) authorities. For there is no authority except from God [by permission, His sanction], and those that exist do so by God's appointment. 2 Therefore he who resists and sets himself up against th authorities resists what God has appointed and arranged [in divine order]. And those who resist will bring down judgment upon thems [receiving the penalty due them]. 3 For civil authorities are not a terror to [people of] good conduct, but to [those of] bad behavior. have no dread of him who is in authority? Then do what is right and you will receive his approval and commendation. 4 For he is God' for your good. But if you do wrong, [you should dread him and] be afraid, for he does not bear and wear the sword for nothing. He is servant to execute His wrath (punishment, vengeance) on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God's w escape punishment, but also as a matter of principle and for the sake of conscience. 6 For this same reason you pay taxes, for [the c authorities] are official servants under God, devoting themselves to attending to this very service. 7 Render to all men their dues. [Pa to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, and honor to whom honor is due. [AB]

In the case of Ex 21:7-11, the age of the daughter sold as a slave is not specified, sold to a male for betrothal and marriage as a slav Consider the teaching of 1 Cor 7:36, where again no specific age is given: ***Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary36. behaveth . uncomely-is not treating his daughter well in leaving her unmarried be flower of her age, ***Wesley's Notes 7:36 But if any parent think he should otherwise act indecently - Unbecoming his character. Toward his virgin daug she be above age, (or of full age,) and need so require, . . . . ***Weymouth New Testament If, however, a father thinks he is acting unbecomingly towards his still unmarried daughter if she be past the bloom of her youth, and matter is urgent, . . . ***ERV: English Revised Version But if any man thinketh that he behaveth himself unseemly toward his virgin daughter, if she be past the flower of her age, . . . ***YLT: 36and if any one doth think [it] to be unseemly to his virgin, if she may be beyond the bloom of age, and it ought so to be, . ***ESV: 36 But if any man thinks he is acting improperly toward his virgin, if she is past marriageable age, and so it must be, . . . ***NIV: 36 If anyone thinks he is not treating his daughter properly, and if she is getting along in years, and he feels she ought to m should do as he wants. He is not sinning. He should let her get married. 37 But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, w under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind to keep the virgin unmarried-this man also doe right thing. 38 So then, he who gives his virgin in marriage does right, but he who does not give her in marriage does even better. ***NASB:37But he who stands firm in his heart, being under no constraint, but has authority over his own will, and has decided this in heart, to keep his own virgin daughter, he will do well. 38So then both he who gives his own virgin daughter in marriage does well, an does not give her in marriage will do better. ***AB:36But if any man thinks that he is not acting properly toward and in regard to his virgin [that he is preparing disgrace for her o incurring reproach], in case she is passing the bloom of her youth<Strong 5230+5600> and if there is need for it, let him do what to seems right; he does not sin; let them marry. <5230+5600> "figurative (of a daughter) past the bloom (prime) of youth: + (she) pass the flower of (her) age. ***1 Cor 7:37But whoever is firmly established in his heart [strong in mind and purpose], not being forced by necessity but having co over his own will and desire, and has resolved this in his heart to keep his own virginity, he is doing well. 38So also then, he [the fath gives his virgin (his daughter) in marriage does well, and he [the father] who does not give [her] in marriage does better."

It is a deadly serious matter to wrongfully/sinfully offend, stumble into sin, grieve and/or cause to sin children according to Romans 1 millstone passage, especially in issues that involve sex and/or marriage. ***Matthew 18:6 "But whoever causes the downfall of one of these little ones who believe in Meit would be better for him if a heavy were hung around his neck and he were drowned in the depths of the sea! ***Mark 9:42 "But whoever causes the downfall of one of these little ones who believe in Me it would be better for him if a heavy m were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. ***Luke 17:2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea than for him to cau these little ones to stumble. [22.] Doing or thinking about doing something sexual about which you have doubts about its godliness, its acceptability to God

[PARAPHRASED] FOR APPLICATION - PUBLIC BEHAVIOR ***1Cor 10: 23 Everything is allowable, but not everything is profitable. Everything is allowable, but everything does not build other No one should be for ever seeking his own good, but each should seek that [good] of his fellow man. 25 Any [form of sin free sexual practiced in the world may be practiced] and ask no questions for conscience sake; 26 for <the earth is the Lords, and all that it con If an unbeliever gives you an invitation and you are disposed to accept it, [accept it with your own personal and private sin free sexu and ask no questions for conscience sake. 28 But if any one tells you, This [form of sin free sexual act is wrong and evil]; abstain f [manifesting] it [to his knowledge] -- out of respect for him who warned you, and, as before, for conscience sake. 29 But now I mea conscience, not your own. Why, on what ground, you may object, is the question of my liberty of action to be decided by a conscie my own? 30 If, so far as I am concerned, I partake [ of my own personal and private sin free sexual acts] with a grateful heart, why be found fault with in regard to a thing for which I give thanks? 31 Whether, then, you are [partaking or not partaking], or whatever doing, everything should be done to the glory of God. 32 Do not [let your own personal and private sin free sexual acts] be causes of stumbling either to Jews or to Gentiles, nor to the Church of God. 33 That is the way that I also seek in everything the approval of all aiming at my own profit, but at that of the many, in the hope that they may be saved. [Derived from WEY]

[PARAPHRASED] FOR APPLICATION - PRIVATE AND PUBLIC BEHAVIOR Rom 14:16 Let not then your [conviction that your own personal and private sin free sexual acts are] good be evil spoken of; 17 for t kingdom of God is not [sin free sexual acts] and [sin free NONSEXUAL acts], but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. that in this [controversy about sin free sexual acts] serves the Christ is acceptable to God and approved of men. 19 So then let us pu things which tend to peace, and things whereby one shall build up another. 20 For the sake of [sin free sexual acts] do not destroy th God. All things [including sin free sexual acts] indeed are pure; but it is evil to that man who [does sin free sexual acts] while stumbli because of his doubts about its rightness. 21 It is right not to [do sin free sexual acts], nor [do sin free sexual acts], nor do anything thy brother [or sister] stumbles [striking the toe of one's conscience against an obstacle inducing one to sin by acting in doubt], or is or stumbles or is enticed to act without faith or think unfavourably or unjustly of another and so displeased and indignant], or is made [morally feeble, without strength, powerless]. 22 Have you faith [to believe that sin free sexual acts are right and so practice them]? conviction to yourself before God --- keep your faith to yourself in the presence of God. Blessed is the one who does not judge one what [belief or practice of sin free sexual acts] one allows [with a firm and convinced faith in its rightness]. 23 But one that doubts [ab rightness of sin free sexual acts], if [that] one [does sin free sexual acts], [that one] is condemned; because [that one did sin free se acts] not because of faith [in their rightness]; ***because his conduct is not based on faith WEY ***because his doing so is not the result of faith TCNT ***but whatever [behavior or thought does not originate from] faith [in its rightness before God] is sin. [Derived from WEY, TCNT, DB

Did you get that? Take a look at it in plain english: But one who has doubts about the rightness and godliness of sin free sexual acts, if that one does those sin free sexual acts, that one condemned; because that one did the sin free sexual acts while having doubts about their rightness before God, lacking a peaceful fa conviction about their rightness based on the Word of God. ***That one's behavior was sin because his conduct is not based on faith WEY ***That one's behavior was sin because his doing so is not the result of faith TCNT ***but whatever [behavior or thought does not originate from] faith [in its rightness before God based on Scripture] is sin. [23.] THE POSITIVE SIDE OF THE SEX COIN Prov 5:18 Your genital should be blessed; and have joy of the wife of your youth. 19 As a lovely hind and a graceful roe, her breasts should satisfy you at all times: be ravished in orgasmic ecstasy continually with her lovemaking. His part is clear, but do you understand that the wife has to be willing for him to do this, that she has to be willing, ready and able for him to do this? You might do like the Shulamite did in the Bible's Song of Solomon or like Queen Esther (Esther 2:9-12), rubbing edible oils (almond, butter, honey, all the bottled flavors, cinnamon etc) on your breasts and body to encourage him to take you into his mouth in ecstasy. He is under

command to find sexual and emotional satisfaction with your breasts, and to be in orgasmic ecstasy with your love making. Your part is to be willing, ready and able, encouraging him to do so. You must do all in your power to keep him from turning to another for the sexual fulfillment his testosterone driven mind seeks. Prov 5:20 And why should you, my son, be ravished inorgasmic ecstasy with an immoral woman, and embrace the bosom of one who doesn't belong to you? 21 For the ways of man are before the eyes of the LORD Jesus, and He pondereth all his goings. 22 His own iniquities shall take the wicked himself, and he shall be holden with the cords of his sins. 23 He shall die without instruction; and in the greatness of his folly he shall go astray. [PROV 5 ]

From 1Cor 7 = 2But because of sexual immorality, each man SHOULD [i.e. is under the absolute command that requires full obedie be [SEXUALLY] HAVING/HOLDING/ POSSESSING his own wife, CLOSELY [AND SEXUALLY] ADHERING, CLINGING TO [her], and each woman SHOULD [i.e. is under the a command that requires full obedience to] be [FONDLY AND AFFECTIONATELY] HAVING/HOLDING/ POSSESSING her own husband [AND AFFECTIONATELY] ADHERING and CLINGING TO [him]. From 1 Cor 7:3 = The husband should give to his wife the kindness, benevolence and good will in the marital/conjugal rights that he her and is morally bound to give her, and likewise the wife should give to her husband the kindness, benevolence and good will in the marital/conjugal rights that she owes to him and is morally bound to give to her husband. From 1 Cor 7:4. The woman doesn't have [sexual] authority over her own body, but the husband [does]; in like manner also the man have [sexual] authority over his own body, but the woman [does]. From 1 Cor 7:5 Do not be denying each other [sexually], unless, it may be, by consent for a time, that you may devote yourselves to and again be conjugally cohabiting [sexually reuniting], that Satan tempt you not because of your incontinency. . . . A word to the ladies about their marital sex and affectionate embracing - if you want your man to hold you, hold his penis. If you want your man to embrace and caress you, embrace and caress his penis. If you want your man to stroke and massage you, stroke and massage his penis. Think of it as a control stick, a computer joy stick, and get the results you want. [24.] Marriage, separation, divorce, reconciliation [A] A genuinely saved believing mate of an believer [B] A genuinely saved believing mate of an unbeliever =========================== [A] A genuinely saved believing mate of an believer

Interesting and unusual is the ministry idea of helping wives safely and securely leave their husbands in marriages where they are un uncomfortable and feel trapped. I just hope the ladies do it the Lord's Way. By that I mean, that they get their freedom the Lord's Wa Way of 1 Cor 7 as to separating from one's husband when he is snared in sin. In the context of marital separation, the husband is com to NEVER forsake, lay aside, leave, put (send) away, divorce [Strongs 863] his wife/woman: ***1 Cor 7:11 . . . a [believing] husband/man is not to forsake, lay aside, leave, put (send) away, divorce [Strongs 863] his wife/wo

For the wife/woman, the Lord's Way is different in the matter of marital separation: ***1Cor 7: 10 I command the married not I, but the Lorda [believing] wife is not to leave, depart or separate from [Strong's 556 [believing] husband. 11 But if she does leave, depart, and/or separate [Strong's 5563], she must remain unmarried or be reconciled husband , , ,

We have the Word in 1 Cor 5:11 But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother who is sexual immoral, covetous, greedy, an idolater - living according to and under the dominant influence or someone or something other than Je railer*, a reviler*, a slanderer*, a verbal abuser*, a drunkard, a swindler, or an extortioner. Do not even eat with such a person. --------------------------------*VERBAL ABUSE* ----------------------------------- 1 Cor 5 Paraphrased: 11 But, as things are, I say that you are not to associate with any one who, although a Brother in name, is . . v abusive <Strong's 3060 = loidoros>, . . - no, not even to sit at table [to eat] with such people.S o according to Strong's definition, do continue to associate, socialize, fellowship or eat with one is called a believer who does the following:1.) reviles/scolds/rails at anothe harsh, unkind, insolent, disrespectful, proud and/or abusive/hurtful language/words;2.) reviles another, subjecting another to verbal abuse/hurt, using abusive/hurtful language/words;3.) belittles another, causing another to seem/feel little or less, using abusive/hurtf language/words;4.) depreciates another publically, causing another to seem/feel little or less, using abusive/hurtful language/words

So the believing wife has the second best option of separating celibately from her believing husband if he is spiritually snared (2 Tim and has become sexually immoral, covetous, greedy, an idolater - living according to and under the dominant influence or someone o something other than Jesus, a railer*, a reviler*, a slanderer*, a verbal abuser*, a drunkard, a swindler, or an extortioner (1 Cor 5 shouldn't even be eating with him.

The wife also is instructed to exercise her option to separate celibately from her spiritually snared but believing mate for the following ***Romans 16:17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions, dissensions and create obstacles, [spiritual] stumbling-blocks, and hindrances contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.

Whether or not the believing wife uses her celibate separation option because of her believing husband's sinful behavior, for sure she supposed to initiate church discipline as described in Matt 18:15-17; 1 Cor 5:1-5,11; 2 Thess 3:6-14; Romans 16:17. The goal is that will chasten (Heb 12) the snared-in-sin but believing husband so that, like the sinning saint of 1 Cor 5, he will turn back to Jesus in go sorrow and repentance (2 Cor 7), like it did for the 1 Cor 5 snared-in-sin saint, which will ultimately lead to reconciliation and reunion like it did for the 1 Cor 5 snared-in-sin saint. Then the believing wife has the choice of reconciling with her repentant and believing hu remaining celibately separated.

IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT that the wife suffering from spousal abuse follow the Word given in Matt 18:15,16,17; that first she hum gently and respectfully (2 Tim 2:24-26) tells her abusive mate that his abusive behavior grieves, offends, hurts and troubles her grea him the Scripture he is violating by his behavior. If she is afraid of doing this face to face, she could do it by letter or note given to him for him where he will get it. If she expects him to react abusively then she should safely separate from him (1 Cor 7:11) until she fee safe to return to him. If he continues to abuse, grieve, offend, hurt and trouble her, then she needs to humbly, gently and respectfull brother and sister in Christ to go with her and tell him that his abusive behavior is not acceptable and should stop. If his reaction is ab and/or dangerous, she should exercise her separation option under the protection of the brother and sister that helped her do Matt 18 the abusive husband has failed to respond positively to the Matt 18:16 intervention, then she needs to ask her fellowship group or chu leadership to go with her to humbly, gently and respectfully tell the abusive mate that his abusive behavior is not acceptable and sho If she fears his reaction or his reaction is threatening, then she should leave with the Matt 18:17 delegation and under their protection separate herself from him. She should not live alone in her separation from the abusive mate since he could find her and abuse her a needs to stay with a family or a group and be under the protection of the men of that family or group. I just read another account of violent and abusive husband killed his wife even after being placed under a court ordered and police enfored restraining order.

My http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LynnAndLossRecovery group tells of the many female victims of violent mates. I am deeply griev too often recurring fatal violence of men against their own women. A woman who is being abused too often cannot appreciate the imm danger an abusive mate puts her in and her brethren need to intervene and protect her even if she thinks it is not necessary. This is important part of God's Way: to break the bonds and chains of wickedness, to untie the restraining ropes of enslaving, oppressive and burdensome restraints;^ to set the oppressed free, to try to help and provide justice for the needy, the fatherless, the widow and the helpless; to rescue the poor and needy from the hands of the wicked, to rescue those wrongfully taken off to be killed, those moving toward slaughter in the womb or outside of it;^ to uphold the rights of the oppressed and the destitute, to remove every burdensome and oppressing restraint, to share my bread with the hungry, to give something to drink to the thirsty, to provide housing for the poor and homeless, to clothe the naked when I encounter them, to help take care of the sick and imprisoned, to see to it that bereft women and children are taken care of, to not ignore or neglect my own familial flesh and blood, to rid my life of scornful and accusatory finger-pointing and malicious speaking, to offer that with which I sustain my own life to the hungry that I encounter, and to do my best to meet the needs of the afflicted^ I encounter, even if it means we have to disobey* human laws and officials to d *Acts 5:28-30; Daniel 3 + 6; Gen 39:9-11; Exod 1:16-21; 2:1-4; Rom 13:1-7 + Hebrews 11:13-16 ~Eph 5:7-11: 2Tim 2:24-26; Gal 6:1 `Mat 29:19,20; Acts 20:25-35 ^ Isaiah 58; Matthew 25; James 1:27; Jer 22:16; Deut 24:17; 10:18; Prov 24:11; Psa 10:14; 82:3,4; 146:9; 68:5;

Mat 25:35-45

The believing wife who choses to separate celibately from her husband needs to be aware of the fact that her separation will cause hi tempted sexually by Satan and/or his demons, as predicted in 1 Cor 7:2,5. He might be godly enough to go the Lord's way to avoid s avoiding sex sin by marrying (1 Cor 7:1-5,8,9). To do so he, as a disciple of Christ, would have to become polygynous because he is bound to his departed and celibately separated believing wife as long as they both live (Rom 7:1-3; 1 Cor 7:10,11,39). So he may ch become polygynous and marry an additional wife, in his departed wife's absence, to avoid sex sin (1Cor7:2,5,9). The celibately separ then would have the choice of reconciling/reuniting with her now polygynous husband in polygyny, or continuing to remain celibately from him. If she chose to reconcile and reunite with her now polygynous husband and his new wife, he would have to submit to the a God has given to her (Romans 13:1-5) over the sexual use of his body - - - ***1 Cor 7:4. The woman doesn't have [sexual] authority over her own body, but the husband [does]; in like manner also the man d have [sexual] authority over his own body, but the woman [does].

and he would have to obey the Word in 1 Cor 7 - - - ***2 but because of and to avoid sexual immorality each man should be [sexually] having his own woman, and each woman should b [sexually] having her own man. . . 5 Do not be denying each other [sexually], unless, it may be, by consent for a time, that you may yourselves to fasting and prayer, and again be conjugally cohabiting [sexually reuniting], that Satan tempt you not because of your incontinence. . .

Where it is illegal to have more than one wife at a time, her reconciliation and reunion with her polygynous husband would have to be discrete and according to Romans 14, here paraphrased for application: '1 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. . . . 13 Therefore let us not pass judgment on o another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. 14 I know and am persuad Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. 15 For if your brother is grieved by [you polygyny you] are no longer walking in love. By what you [do], do not destroy the one for whom Christ died. 16 So do not let what y as good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of [monogyny or polygyny] but of righteousness and peace a the Holy Spirit. 18 Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. 19 So then let us pursue what makes for p for mutual upbuilding. 20 Do not, for the sake of [polygyny], destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for a make another stumble by what he [does]. 21 It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything [including polygyny] that causes brother to stumble. 22 The faith/conviction that you have [about living in polygyny], keep between yourself and God [privately and discretely]. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts [ab he does] is condemned if he [does it], because the [doing] is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin. ' 15: 1 N who are strong have an obligation to bear the weaknesses of those without strength, and not to please ourselves. 2 Each one of us m please his neighbor for his good, in order to build him up. [B] >>>>>>BELIEVING WIFE/WOMAN WITH UNBELIEVING MATE<<<<<<

What if her husband is unsaved, unbelieving and he is sexually immoral, covetous, greedy, an idolater - living according to and under dominant influence or someone or something other than Jesus, a railer*, a reviler*, a slanderer*, a verbal abuser*, a drunkard, a s an extortioner; a causer of divisions and dissensions in the marriage, or a creator of marital obstacles, [spiritual] pitfalls, stumbling-b and hindrances contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught in Jesus?

The Word and the Way is: ***1 Cor 7:13 Also, if any woman has an unbelieving husband/man, and he is willing [consents, would like] to keep on [maritally] oc house, residing , cohabiting and/or dwelling with with her, she must not forsake, lay aside, leave, put (send) away, and/or remit her husband/man. .

The full meaning of the passage should be understood this way: If any woman has an unbelieving husband/man, and he is willing to keep on maritally occupying a house, residing , cohabiting and/o with with her, she must not forsake, lay aside, leave, put (send) away, and/or remit her husband/man. But if she does leave, depar separate, she must remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband . . .

Plan A is for the believing wife not to leave her unbelieving husband as long as he wants to maritally live with her, but she does have B option of celibate separation if her unsaved/unbelieving husband is sexually immoral, covetous, greedy, an idolater - living accordin under the dominant influence or someone or something other than Jesus, a railer*, a reviler*, a slanderer*, a verbal abuser*, a drun swindler, an extortioner; a causer of divisions and dissensions in the marriage, or a creator of marital obstacles, [spiritual] pitfalls, st blocks, and hindrances contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught in Jesus

The believing wife who choses to separate celibately from her unsaved/unbelieving husband (who is willing to keep on maritally occup house, residing , cohabiting and/or dwelling with her) needs to be aware of the fact that her separation will cause him to be tempted by Satan and/or his demons, as predicted in 1 Cor 7:2,5. He might be godly enough to go the Lord's way to avoid sex sin, avoiding s marrying (1 Cor 7:1-5,8,9). To do so he might unwittingly become polygynous because his believing wife is still maritally bound to hi as he is willing to keep on maritally occupying a house, residing , cohabiting and/or dwelling with her. So he may choose to become polygynous and marry an additional wife, in his departed wife's absence, to avoid sex sin (1Cor7:2,5,9). The celibately separated wife would have the choice of reconciling/reuniting with her now polygynous husband in polygyny, or continuing to remain celibately separ him. If she chose to reconcile and reunite with her now polygynous husband and his new wife, who might not be too keen on the idea him to choose between her and the returning wife.

If her now polygynous and unbelieving husband and his new wife accept her back into the marriage, where it is illegal to have more t wife at a time, her reconciliation and reunion with her polygynous husband would have to be private, discrete and according to Roman here paraphrased for application: '1As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. . . . 13 Therefore let us not pass judgment on on any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. 14 I know and am persuaded in the Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. 15 For if your brother is grieved by [your po you] are no longer walking in love. By what you [do], do not destroy the one for whom Christ died. 16 So do not let what you regard be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of [monogyny or polygyny] but of righteousness and peace and joy in Spirit. 18 Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. 19 So then let us pursue what makes for peace and mutual upbuilding. 20 Do not, for the sake of [polygyny], destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyo make another stumble by what he [does]. 21 It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything [including polygyny] that causes brother to stumble. 22 The faith/conviction that you have [about living in polygyny], keep between yourself and God [privately and discretely]. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts [ab he does] is condemned if he [does it], because the [doing] is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin. ' 15: 1 N who are strong have an obligation to bear the weaknesses of those without strength, and not to please ourselves. 2 Each one of us m please his neighbor for his good, in order to build him up.

AND FINALLY THERE IS THE TIME AND WAY that the believing wife is maritally freed from her unbelieving mate: ***1 Cor 7:.15 But if the unbeliever leaves, departs and/or separates himself from her [Strong's 5563], he should go away/depart/separate/leave, [he should separate himself from her].. A brother or a sister is not [legally, morally, maritally] bound in cases [in the Kingdom of God]. God has called you to peace.

If the believer does so leave, depart and/or separate himself from the believing wife, she is maritally free from him in the Kingdom o and is free to get a legal divorce and marry a godly man [25.] APPENDIX [I] ORAL SEX and STDs Oral, Anal, Vaginal Sex Infections, STDs and Marriage COPYRIGHT JANUARY 14, 1998, Revised: 07/06/10 All rights reserved. By L. Tyler 91976 http://biblicalmaturity.yuku.com/forums/66 Introduction: 1.> Oral sex and 2.> Oral sex and 3.> Oral sex and 4.> Oral sex and 5.> Oral sex and 6.> Oral sex and 7.> Oral sex and Chlamydial Infection Human Papillomavirus (HPV), HIV and HCV Colon/Anal Diseases/Infections Vaginal Diseases/Infections Oral Diseases/Infections Oral HIV Testing Pseudomonas and Enterococcus Infections

Introduction:

I post this in this marriage group only because I became infected by normal marital relations with my wife. It can happen to any mar couple.

Many people, especially during their orgasm, lose rational control of themselves in their ecstasy. In those moments of orgasmic ecsta husband and/or the wife might do things they would not normally do, like oral or anal sex. The Bible describes and encourages these or orgasmic ecstasy. The NASB, ESV, NKJV, HCSB, YLT, AMP, CJB and Strongs all together give us the following for Prov 5:19 ***"Her breasts should satisfy and delight you at all times; Be infatuated, enraptured, exhilarated and intoxicated always with her affectionate loving."

When one is experiencing extreme delight, infatuation, rapture, exhilaration and orgasmic intoxication, one might do things one would normally do. By the grace of God and Holy Spirit enabling it is possible even in those times to avoid the sex sins listed in Leviticus 18

normally do. By the grace of God and Holy Spirit enabling it is possible even in those times to avoid the sex sins listed in Leviticus 18 Oral and anal sex are not specifically listed there.

Some Christians rely on 1 Tim 4:1-5 to justify their oral sex in their marriages. It is true that the dietary Laws given in Exodus throug Deuteronomy would prevent the Law abiding Messianic Jews from doing mouth to genital sex, and mouth to #*++ sex which is foun often in American pornography influencing far too many people. The diseases one contracts from such sexual contact is presented below.

Before I present the data on the infections, STDs, bacteria and viruses involved in oral, anal and vaginal sex, I need to present the B principles that deal with such controversial subjects.

***Rom 14:1 Accept and welcome anyone who is weak in faith, but don't argue about or pass judgment on doubtful and disputable is opinions and reasonings [like those about oral and/or anal sex]. . . . 19 We should therefore make every effort to do what leads to p to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food [or oral and/or anal sex]. All food is clean, but it is wron man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble; [and similarly marriage is holy, but it is wrong for one to do oral and/or an such a way that causes someone to stumble into sin] 21 It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or [do oral and/or anal sex] by w brother stumbles [into sin]. 22 Your personal convictions [oral and/or anal sex]--exercise [them] as in God's presence, keeping them yourself [privately and discretely with likeminded people]. Blessed (happy, to be envied) is he who has no reason to judge himself fo approves [as to oral and/or anal sex]. 23 But the man who has doubts (misgivings, an uneasy conscience) about eating [or oral and/ sex], and then eats [or has oral and/or anal sex], stands condemned [before God], because he is not true to his convictions and he d act from faith [based on the Word of God]. For whatever does not originate and proceed from faith [based on the Word of God] is sin Now we who are strong [in our liberty in Christ] have an obligation to bear the weaknesses of those without strength [in their faith], a please ourselves. 2 Each one of us must please his neighbor for his good, in order to build him up. 3 For even the Messiah did not ple Himself. . . . From the AmpBible & etc

***Another Word regulating the practice of oral and/or anal sex is 1 Cor 10, again paraphrased for application: '23 "All things are lawful, but not all things are helpful. All things are lawful, but not all things build up. 24 No one should seek his o benefit, but the benefit of his neighbor. 25 [Practice any Biblical form of marriage you wish] without raising any question on the grou conscience. . . . 27 If one of the unbelievers invites you to [a public and official meeting] and you are disposed to go, [partake in the without raising any question on the ground of conscience. 28 But if someone says to you, [Oral and/or anal sex is illegal here and sin then do not [discuss] it [or publicly debate or argue about or pass judgment on the doubtful and disputable issues, opinions and rea about your personal beliefs or practice re oral and/or anal sex], for the sake of the one who informed you, and for the sake of consci 29 I do not mean your conscience, but his. For why should my [personal and private sexual] liberty be determined by someone elses conscience? 30 If I partake [of oral and/or anal sex in my marriage] with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of that for whic thanks? 31 So, whether you [practice oral and/or anal sex with your marital partner], or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. no offense to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God, 33 just as I try to please everyone in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage, but that of many, that they may be saved.'

Please take seriously the Romans 14:23 rule, which in common terms means "If in doubt, DON'T", if you have doubts about the spiritu rightness or correctness or the oral sex acts described in this post, then you shouldn't do them. If your marital partner has such doub any of the oral sex acts described in this post, you should not encourage him/her to do them, for that would be to cause them to sin. ***Rom 14:20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food [or oral and/or anal sex]. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a m anything that causes someone else to stumble; [and similarly marriage is holy, but it is wrong for one to do oral and/or anal sex in su that causes someone to stumble into sin] 21 It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or [do oral and/or anal sex] by which your br stumbles [into sin]. . . . 23 But the man who has doubts (misgivings, an uneasy conscience) about eating [or oral and/or anal sex], a eats [or has oral and/or anal sex], stands condemned [before God], because he is not true to his convictions and he does not act from [based on the Word of God]. For whatever does not originate and proceed from faith [based on the Word of God] is sin. Now let's look at the diseases, infections, bacteria and viruses involved in oral and/or anal sex.

1.> Oral sex and Chlamydial Infection

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/me...iainfections.html; http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/stdclam.htm Chlamydial Infection ("kla-MID-ee-uhl") "infection is a curable sexually transmitted infection (STI), which is caused by a bacterium Chlamydia trachomatis. You can get genital chlamydial infection during oral, vaginal, or anal sexual contact with an infected partner." problems are caused by it in men, women and newborn babies of infected mothers. "The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Preven (CDC) estimates that more than 4 million people are infected each year."Chlamydial infection often has no symptoms or very mild sym . Up to one half of the 1 million USA women who develop PID may have a chlamydial infection. PID can block the fallopian tubes and fertilization from taking place, or it may cause ectopic or tubal pregnancy which causes miscarriages and can cause the mother to die infection of the C. trachomatis bacteria can inflame the rectum, the lining of the eye (pink eye), or the throat (from ORAL sex)

2.> Oral sex and Human Papillomavirus (HPV), HIV and HCV
STD --- - - - - -Incidence--Prevalence --Condom Effectiveness
** Human

Papillomavirus (HPV)

-------- - - - - - 5.5 million --20 million ---No clinical proof of CONDOM effectiveness Cates W et al. Estimates of the Incidence and Prevalence of Sexually Transmitted Diseases in the United States. Sex Trans Dis 1999;26(suppl):S2-S7

From http://headlines.agapepre...rg/archive/6/242003e.asp and http://health.family.org/...n/articles/a0000793.html we learn that as 2003, in the USA there were 70 million STD infections . . . roughly 15 million new infections occurring each year. A fourth . . . in teen thirds . . . in persons younger than age 25. Genital herpes, . . .infects an estimated 20 percent of individuals age 12 or older . . . 50 p sexually active young women ages 18-22 were infected with human papillomavirus (HPV) . . . the virus responsible for 93 percent of cancer cases in the U.S. which kills more USA women than HIV. There is no cure for more than 25 of the STDs that exist in the USA. same site indicates that the National Institute of Health and the the Medical Institute for Sexual Health (www/medinstitute.org) report when condoms are used 100 percent of the time for ORAL and anal, as well as vaginal sexual intercourse: 1. STDs (including HIV) are still being transmitted 2. Condoms slip and/or break between 1.6 percent and 3.6 percent of the time, potentially exposing sexual partners to STDs. 3. Condoms do not prevent the skin-to-skin spread of STDs outside of thearea covered by condoms. 4. The greater the nmber of sexual partners and sexual acts the greater the risk of STD infection 5. There is no epidemiological evidence to indicate that condom use reduces the risk of HPV infection. Condom MIGHT provide some protection against certain HPV-associated diseases, like mens genital warts and womens cervical neoplasia (a precancerous conditio 6. The evidence does not indicate condoms reduce Trichomonas vaginalis (the organism that causes trichomoniasis) infections.

The same www site reports that even when condoms are every time one experiences ORAL and anal, as well as vaginal sexual interc there remains about a 15 percent relative risk of acquiring HIV from an infected partner; a 50 percent and 71 percent relative risk of syphilis from an infected partner; a 50 percent relative risk of acquiring gonorrhea from an infected partner; and a 50 percent relativ acquiring chlamydia from an infected partner. For further information see Saracco A, Musicco M, Nicolosi A, et al. Man-to-woman sexual transmission of HIV: longitudinal study of 3 partners of infected men. Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes. 1993. 6:497-502; AND Bunnell RE, Dahlberg L, Rolfs R, High prevalence and incidence of sexually transmitted diseases in urban adolescent females despite moderate risk behaviors. Journal Infectious Diseases. 1999. 180:1624-1631.

THE TRANSMISSION OF HEPATITIS C and HIV [ HIV/AIDS DOCUMENTATION: http://www.nfid.org/factsheets/hepc.html; http://webmd.lycos.com/content/dmk/dmk_articl; www.epo.cdc.gov/wonder/prevgu;http://www.hivpositive.com/fOccExposure/OSHA;http://www.avert.org/howcan.htm;http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/hcwprev.htm;http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSi page=kb-http://www.obgyn.net/newsrx/womens_health-Tra]* 1. The Hepatitis C virus and HIV are NOT airborne. *2. As long as blood is not present, they are NOT spread by:a . sneezing and coughingb. holding handsc. kissingd. using the same bat eating food prepared by someone with HCVf. holding a child in your armsg. swimming in the same safely chlorinated pool *3. The HCV or HIV virus IS in the blood of an infected person. *4. Hepatitis C and HIV can be spread by a crack, scratch or sore on your skin or mucous membrane (MOUTH, tongue, gums, genital being in contact with something with infected blood on it such as: a . razors, nail clippers or scissors b. water pics and tooth brushes [http://story.news.yahoo.c...epatitis_toothbrushes_1; Hepatitis C May Be Transmitted Via Toothbrush May 22,10:30 AM ET; By Melissa Schorr; SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters Health); http://www.hepcprimer.com/what.html] - . . . f. SALIVA, tears (http://story.news.yahoo.c...epatitis_toothbrushes_1) . . . h. a TONGUE, lipsi. a toilet seat and door handle/lockj. food prepared by someone with HCV who sneezed or coughed on it. . . l. nasal secretions (nose blowing)m. bloodshot eyesn. any secretion from or part of a genital or nipple *5. The virus must enter the body through a breack, scratch or sore on the skin or mucous membrane (mouth, tongue, gums, genital *7. Study finds that spermicide worsens HIV infection ratehttp://www.sabcnews.com/s...alth/0,1009,1747,00.html

3.> Oral sex and Colon/Anal Diseases/Infections

ANAL SEX: The COLON has enormous bacterial population. One third of feces is bacteria. There are up to 1012 organisms/gram per There are over 300 different bacterial species in the colon. It is very important for good health to keep colon contents from entering t vagina, the urethra and the mouth. The colon contains very harmful pseudomonas and enterococci!! infections that are antibiotic re and can cause death if not treated effectively. Source http://www.biomedcentral....1092-8472/3/249/abstract

Source http://www.biomedcentral....1092-8472/3/249/abstract Source: http://www.biologie.uni-h.../lectures/symbiosis.html

4.> Oral sex and Vaginal Diseases/Infections

The VAGINA has complex microbiota. During a woman's period, glycogen is secreted, and lactic acid bacteria produce lactic acid, ena to maintain a vaginal pH ~ 4.5. When this pH is disrupted (e.g. "during antibiotic treatment, or if frequent intercourse leaves lots of s which raise pH", c vaginal yeasts are allowed to grow and is often called the "honeymooner's disease". A douche of acidophilus milk c restore the normal pH quickly. In the vagina "the predominant bacterial species are Lactobacillus." That is why an acidophilus-bifidus once a week or before oral sex, and taking acidophilus-bifidus by mouth wit!h meals, is very helpful to vaginal health. All of this pr vagina from infection by anal and fecal matter. Source: http://bioteach.ubc.ca/Biomedicine/normalflora/

5.> Oral sex and Oral Diseases/Infections

THE MOUTH: " . . . 500-600 different kinds of bacteria thrive on mucus and food remnants in the mouth." One of my former wives got bladder, urethral and vaginal infections from the bacteria in my mouth I had to stop giving her oral sex. I have gingivitis and peridont "Symptoms of Urinary Tract Infections are wide ranging and include: An intense urge to urinate all the time, . . . Pain, discomfort and a burning sensation on urination. Urine that looks cloudy, . or has an unusually strong an. . d offensive smell.. . . Fever, and a general feeling of being unwell. There may also be nausea and vomiting, . . . Pain in the side or lower back."

Source: http://www.irishhealth.com/?level=4&con=407 G Urinary infections: " Sexually transmitted infections are usually caused by chlamydia or mycoplasma. If a person becomes infected sexually transmitted infection, all sexual partners should also be treated to prevent the spread of the infection."

6.> Fast Oral HIV Test Approved

http://aolsvc.health.webm...ent/article/84/98234.htm Officials Hope It Will Make HIV Testing Easier, More Common By Todd Zwillich WebMD Medical News Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD on Friday, March 26, 2004 >

March 26, 2004 -"Federal regulators announced the approval of a rapid oral HIV test on Friday, saying that the move would help to widely expand AID screening. . .

"Approximately 25% of the 900,000 Americans with HIV don't know they have the virus, according to Department of Health and Huma Services data. Meanwhile, as many as 30% of people who get tested for HIV never return to hear their results. "The OraQuick test will almost certainly reduce that number," says Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy G. Thompson. . .

"HIV-1 is the strain that causes most infections in the U.S. Jesse Goodman, MD, director of the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Re the FDA, says that based on "limited" data the test can detect HIV antibodies in 99.3% of infected people. The test also avoids falsely identifying a negative person as infected 99.8% of the time. . .

"Goodman says regulators must first evaluate the test to be sure that results that show false-negatives don't become a problem when thousands of persons use the test nationwide. "We have to collect enough information to be sure you don't hurt the public health doing this," Niedbala tells WebMD." ---------------------------------SOURCES: Tommy G. Thompson, secretary, Department of Health and Human Services. Jesse Goodman, MD, director, Center for Bio Evaluation and Research, FDA. R. Sam Niedbala, chief science officer, OraSure Technologies Inc. ==============================

7.> Oral sex and Deadly Pseudomonas and Enterococcus Infections

Serious consequences of oral, anal and genital sexual intercourse. Please see: www.niv.ac.za/lessons/volume4/dec3.htm //:wordnet.com.au/Products/topics_in_infectious_diseases_Feb01.htm http://homepage.smc.edu/i...10/strepenterococcus.htm

I post this File in this marriage group only because I became infected by normal marital relations with my wife. It can happen to any couple.

Whichever of these your conscience allows in faith before Christ (Rom 14), there is real peril that must be recognized by those who a sexually active with their mates. I do not practice, subscribe to, endorse, recommend or agree with anal sexual intercourse, yet I ha recently been seriously infected with Pseudomonas aeruginosa and Enterococcus faecalis/faecium, prinicipally in the form of a bladde infection. Mercifully both times Cipro was used to overcome the infection. Oral-genital sex can pass these infections to the lungs. Pe vaginal sexual relations can pass both of these microbes, causing infections of the bladder and vagina. Those who practice penile-ana intercourse encounter the greatest exposure to these microbes, causing bladder infections. Anyone practicing oral, anal and/or genita intercourse can be exposed to these potentially lethal agents. Let me introduce them.

Enterococcus faecalis/faecium is gram-positive, resistant to most beta-lactam antibiotics and multiple antibiotics, and causes infection urinary tract, intra-abdominal, gynecological, bones and joints, and skin & skin structures. Treatment is often difficult if not impossibl serious infection of this organism can be lethal. It is part of the normal flora of the human gastrointestinal tract. It is an opportunistic pathogen, one of the four most common nosocomial bacterial pathogens in the USA. People with weakened immune systems are in s danger if seriously infected by this organism. When using an antibiotic for this microbe, lactobacillus acidophilus and bifidobacterium should be taken at the same time as the antibiotic and after finishing the antibiotic to restore the protective function of the normal ind bacterial flora. For me, of the two, this was the most painful and most disabling. I take a lot of lactobacillus acidophilus and bifidobac lactis now.

Pseudomonas aeruginosa, of the family Pseudomonadaceae, may have a lethal effect. It is gram-negative aerobes. This rod shaped m with a tail causes infections of the urinary tract, intra-abdominal, bones and joints, and skin & skin structures. It can cause chronic dia (several loose stools every day). It is found in moist environments, the skin, external ear, upper respiriatory tract and the large bow colonizes in predisposed patients, particularly those with weakened immune systems. It rarely causes disease in a healthy host, exce normal cutaneous or mucosal barriers have been breached or bypassed (burn, cut, intubation, catheterization), immunologic defence mechanisms have been compromised (HIV, the aged, diabetics, malignancy etc), or the protective function of the normal indigenous flora (acidophilus, bifidus, lactobacillus) has been eliminated by broad spectrum antibiotic therapy. For this reason lactobacillus acido bifidobacterium lactis should be taken at the same time as the antibiotic and after finishing the antibiotic. This organism's waste beco in large amounts. If it can't be stopped, it becomes lethal.

Pseudomonas aeruginosa has been found in humans in every part of the human gastrointestinal tract, especially in the case of infants adults with haematologic malignancies and neutropenia. It may lead to or be aggravated by asymptomatic large bowel colonization, enterocolitis (of the oropharynx, oesophagus, stomach, poximal small bowel), caecitis (typhlitis, with leukaemia, lesions of the caecum perforation, bacterial peritonitis, death), rectal abscess in neutropenic patients (life-threatening bacteraemic sepsis), and diarrhoeal d (enteric/Shanghai fever, cholera-like illness). This organism caused a bladder infection in me and responded to Cipro.

It is not a happy thought to know that these potential threats are alive and well in our bodies. If we are careful and wise, we can kee out of parts of our bodies where they can do us great harm. Regular use of lactobacillus acidophilus and bifidobacterium lactis can h control them in the colon's faecalis/faecium. Wiping, cleaning and washing the #*++ and its Valley of Malodors can greatly reduce transmission between people during sexual intercourse. Washing hands after wiping, cleaning and washing the #*++ and its Valley o is essential.

For females, one should wipe the #*++ AWAY FROM the vagina, starting the wipe at the vagina and then wiping back towards the tail Women should use acidophilus douche once a week or at least before intercourse to reduce the amount of these microbes in the vagi fluids. Men should wash their genitals after sexual contact, to avoid passing the microbes by hand after urination. Those so foolish as porno performers and contact the #*++ with lips or tongue are inviting serious infections from numerous organisms as well as those discussed in this post. [26.] FEMALE TOPLESSNESS, THE CHURCH AND THE BIBLE By L. Tyler; COPYRIGHT 01/15/09

We all know about the topless women in G-string bikinis or thongs that legally do so at many public beaches in America, Mexico, Sout America, Africa and Europe. Topless and seminude natives are shown to be the norm in many of their own societies/cultures and cou movies and books like "The Mission" <1>, Australia's Aboriginies living in the wilderness <2>, Sean Connery's "Medicine Man" movie

movies and books like "The Mission" <1>, Australia's Aboriginies living in the wilderness <2>, Sean Connery's "Medicine Man" movie Elizabeth Elliot's pictorial book "The Savage My Kinsman"("They were naked besides a cotton string around their hips . . "<4>, the mo semi-nude Africans in "The God's Must be Crazy" <5> and of course older issues of National Geographic. <1>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091530/ <1,3,5>http://www.amazon-indians.org/; http://www.martinundmarlene.de/ekuado_eng.htm <2>http://indian-cultures.com/Cultures/yanomamo.html; http://www.geelongadverti...007/09/21/7072_news.html >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104839/ <4>http://www.amazon.co.uk/S...h-Elliots/dp/0830734864; http://pastorandpeople.wo...-the-savage-my-kinsmen/; http://whatsbruin.net/200...review-end-of-the-spear/ <5>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080801/

So what do you do as a Christian when there is no specific, explicit, unquestionable Scripture that declares that women must cover th breasts and butts in public, other than the Word given in Romans 14, 1 Cor 10? Eugene A Nida of the American Bible Association tells interesting topless incident in East Africa in his book CUSTOMS AND CULTURES, Anthropology for Christian Missions ( by Eugene A. 1954, Harper & Brothers, New York). A large African tribal group in East Africa had turned to Jesus and a very strong, well organized thriving Church community had developed. The problem that arose had to do with the fact that in their culture only prostitutes wore b and/or blouses because they were the only ones able to afford them. A woman wearing a bra and/or blouse wore a silent signal to an interested men that they were available for sex for pay.

A delegation of Western missionaries wanted to visit the community and the leaders of the African Church were delighted to have fello with them. The problem was that the missionaries advised the Elders that their women would have to cover their breasts with clothing their visit because of Romans 14 and 1 Cor 10 issues (See them at the end of this post).

The Elders informed the foreign missionaries that it was quite impossible for their women to wear clothing over their breasts since tha ruin their testimonies as godly women and it would expose their women to all manner of unwanted and unsolicited reactions from me that they were prostitutes because they covered their breasts with clothing as the local prostitutes did.

The compromise they agreed upon finally was that while the foreign missionaries were in the church and community, the Christian wo would stay home or indoors somewhere out of sight. One would assume that the wives of the foreign missionaries met with the toples Christian ladies while their missionary husbands met with the men. The topless Chritian women did not appear in church or in public a the foreign missionaries left.

It is a deadly sin to add to or subtract from the Word of God. ***"Deut 4:2 You must not add anything to what I command you or take anything away from it, so that you may keep the commands LORD your God I am giving you. . . . 12:32 You must be careful to do everything I command you; do not add anything to it or take a away from it. "

So it is a deadly sin for any mortal in any church to say "God says it is a sin for women to be topless in the presence of men and wom one can establish a decree or tradition in the Name of God that is is sin for women to be topless at a beach or while breast feeding th children. There is no such decree or tradition in the Word of God. Consider the Lord's Word in the matter: ***'"Mark 7:7 They worship Me in vain, teaching as doctrines the commands of men. 8 Disregarding the command of God, you keep tradition of men." 9 He also said to them, "You completely invalidate God's command in order to maintain your tradition! . . .13 You re God's word by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many other similar things."' See also Mat 15: 6-9

Since there is no Word of God on the issue of women being topless or breast feeding in public, since is sin to add to the Word of God command "Women must not be topless or breast feeding in public," and since there is no clear, explicit and specific command or teac Scripture that a woman's breasts must always be covered in public, then it appears that the issue of women being bare breasted in pu matter of 1 Corinthians 8, 10 and Romans 14.

Since Jesus tells us we are His children by adoption and wants us to have the faith of a child in HIm, the Word in Matt 18 and Mark 9 i and ignored at one's own peril: ***Mt 18:6 "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged a neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." ***Mk 9:42 "And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged a neck, and he were cast into the sea.

It is a grave and deadly sin to look down on the people of the church of God and embarrass , stumble [violating one's conscience and inducing one to sin by acting in doubt], or offended [ or stumbles or is enticed to act without faith or think sinfully, unfavourably or un another], or is make weak [morally feeble, without strength, spiritually powerless] another child of God especially, but also unbelieve are watching you (Rom 14:21; 1 Cor 11). It is a grave and deadly moral and spiritual error to act in the presence of others in an unw and so be guilty of sin against the body of believers of the Lord. So one should examine oneself as to the way he should behave in th presence of others. For whoever does anything in public without recognizing well being of the body of believers does invite the judgm God on oneself. ***"1 Cor 11:30 This is why many are sick and ill among you, and many have fallen asleep. 31 If we were properly evaluating ourse would not be judged, 32 but when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord, so that we may not be condemned with the world." S Hebrews 12

It seems to me that today's application in the context of the Scriptures below in the Western world today is that if you believe it is acc to partake of toplessness with likeminded people, you would do so after making sure they are likeminded, but if you knew that a Chri believed heterosexual toplessness is wrong outside of one's own marriage, then you would neither partake of toplessness in a way th Christian would know about it, and you would not discuss what you personally do or believe about heterosexual toplessness with such Christian. The Scriptures on the matter would be discussed, but not one's own personal opinion of the matter (Romans 14:1; 15:1-3. 1Cor 8: 8-13 does not apply to Biblical toplessness because it is about being in a place dedicated to sinning and doing things that the explicitly declares to be sin.

PARAPHRASED/AMPLIFIED FOR APPLICATION:1 Cor 10:27 But if any one [including unbelievers] invite you [to a topless event], and y minded to go, [partake of the toplessness] that is set before you, making no inquiry [about what others think of it] for conscience sak But if any one say to you, "[This is sinful, evil and offensive!", Do not [partake of the toplessness], for his/her sake that pointed it out conscience sake. 29* But conscience, I mean, not your own, but that of the other [who declared the toplessness to be evil and offens why is my liberty [to be topless] judged by another conscience? 30* If *I* partake [of toplessness] with thanksgiving, why am I spok for what *I* give thanks for? 31 Whether therefore you eat, or drink, or whatever [toplessness] you do, do all things to Gods glory. no occasion to stumbling, whether to Jews, or Greeks, or the assembly of God.

From this we learn that a woman should not be topless where someone says your toplessness is sinful, evil and/or offensive; or when knows it could spiritually cause one to stumble into sin. We learn that a brother should not be in a place where women are topless and someone says their toplessness is sinful, evil and/or offensive; or when he knows that being in the place of toplessness could spiritua one to stumble into sin.

PARAPHRASED/AMPLIFIED FOR APPLICATION: Rom 14:1 Do not receive him that is weak in the faith for the purpose of distinguishing discerning, and judging deliberation, or questioning about what is true [about toplessness], a questioning that involves hesitation, dou disputing or arguing [about toplessness]. . . . 20 For the sake of [toplessness] do not destroy the work of God [in the life of another]. [including toplessness] indeed are pure; but it is evil to that one who [partakes of toplessness] while stumbling [in sin] because of he doubts about its rightness. 21 It is right not to [be topless], nor [wear G string bikinis], nor do anything [like posing nude while disrete covering ones genitals with something opaque] in which thy brother [or sister] stumbles [violating one's conscience and so inducing o by acting in doubt], or is offended [ or stumbles or is enticed to act without faith or think sinfully, unfavourably or unjustly of another] made weak [morally feeble, without strength, spiritually powerless]. 22 Have you faith [to believe toplessness is right and so practice that conviction to yourself [privately, personally and/or discretely with likeminded others] before God. Blessed is the one who does n oneself in what [belief or practice of toplessness] one allows [himself with a firm and convinced faith in its rightness before God]. 23 B that doubts [about the rightness of toplessness], if [that] one [partakes of toplessness], [that one] is condemned; because that one [ toplessness] not because of faith [in its rightness]; but whatever [topless behavior or thought does not originate from] faith [in its rig before God] is sin.

From this we learn that we should not receive one that is weak in the faith for the purpose of distinguishing, discerning, and judging deliberation, or questioning about what is true about toplessness, a questioning that involves hesitation, doubting, disputing or arguing toplessness. We learn that a woman should not be topless where someone says your toplessness is sinful, evil and/or offensive; or w knows it could spiritually cause one to stumble into sin. We learn that a brother should not be in a place where women are topless and someone says their toplessness is sinful, evil and/or offensive; or when he knows that being in the place of toplessness could spiritua one to stumble into sin, seriously offends another, or cause one to do what one has doubts about it righteousness before God.

PARAPHRASED AND AMPLIFIED FOR APPLICATION: 1 Cor 11: 8 So a [female] should examine [herself]; in this way she should [partake of toplessness/seminudity in sight of others]. 29 For whoev [partakes of toplessness/seminudity] without recognizing [the well being] the body [of believers in Christ], [by doing so brings] judgm [herself]. 30 This is why many are sick and ill among you, and many have fallen asleep [death of body].

8 So a [male] should examine [himself]; in this way he should [partake of toplessness/seminudity]. 29 For whoever [partakes of toplessness/seminudity] without recognizing [the well being] the body [of believers in Christ], [by doing so brings] judgment on [hims This is why many are sick and ill among you, and many have fallen asleep [death of body]. 31 If we were properly evaluating ourselv would not be judged, 32 but when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord, so that we may not be condemned with the world.

God gave birth by Mary to a Son in Israel, and called His name JESUS for He alone saves from evil all those who wholly rely on Him a

God gave birth by Mary to a Son in Israel, and called His name JESUS for He alone saves from evil all those who wholly rely on Him a such salvation. He is great, and is called the Son of God, the Highest; and of His Kingdom there shall be no end. . . . I announce to yo tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people; for the Redeemer was born to us in Bethlehem, Messiah the King http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BiblicalSexVsPornSex http://www.shtyle.fm/community.do?cid=41190 - - - 108 http://groups.yahoo.com/g...iblicalSexVsSexSin http://groups.yahoo.com/g...xProbsAndRecoveryInJesus http://groups.google.com/...ChristiansAndJesus http://biblicalmaturity.yuku.com/forums/66 http://www.scribd.com/doc...ngodlySexMarriageDivorce

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