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Hi, I am looking for a workflow engine to integrate with HTMLDB for workflow applications. Most of the stuff I try to do will happen in the database (as of now). Which one should I choose? Which one is easy to use (intuitive, good samples)? I haven't used any of those, which is the fastest to learn? Can I graphically model the workflows with pl/flow, so that they can be modified by administrators later? What about the future? It seems to me that many links to Oracle Workflow seem to disappearing from OTN. I find pl/flow interesting, but is it used a lot? Is there still development going on? Any experiences / suggestions will be helpful. Or perhaps you use something completely different? Thanks, ~Dietmar.

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7 helpful answers below. Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:05:00 GMT | (1) bobrudolf

Oracle: HTMLDB and Workflows - pl/fl

Dietmar, Judging from the sparse number of support requests I've seen on SourceForge, PL/FLOW does not seem to be used in very many places. But if you look at the other workflow engines, they don't seem to be that popular either. Post a request to the developer community there and find out if work is being done to improve/extend it. With workflow cost is a big consideration, if you can afford Oracle workflow why wouldn't you use it? You could still 'roll your own' front end, just as you would with PL/FLOW. The beauty of PL/FLOW is that you have the complete source code so you can extend it to do whatever you want. As for using HTMLDB for a front end, well if you want graphical construction and depiction of the workflow, you would probably want to use Oracle workflow. If you want to tabularly depict the workflow like a bill of materials (which is what I did) then HTMLDB does a very good job. You have to be very clever in your design to overcome the inherent difficulties in doing things this way and you need a LOT of user involvement, which is always a good thing anyway. HTH Bob R Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:06:00 GMT | (2) dietmaraust Hi Bob, thanks for thoughts on this. I was in touch with the lead developer of pl/flow and he explained that there was not much to add since the package was XPDL interface 2 compliant and most of the users were happy with it. You can even import workflows from XPDL visual workflow modelers which has some charme, since it is standards based. I was reluctant to use Oracle Workflow for several reasons. * It appears to be complex * It is not standards based * The administration interface looks "aged" (that lead me to believe that Oracle had not much interest in further promoting the product) * I don't know where the product is heading since BPEL is the big hype and the development of Oracle's former Java based workflow product is being stopped. The cost shouldn't be an issue since it is included in the database license as far as I have researched. I would be interested in all developer experiences using Oracle Workflow with HTMLDB or other tools. Is perhaps the HTMLDB - developer team working on an integration with Oracle Workflow? Thanks, ~Dietmar. Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:07:00 GMT | (3) markgriffin I'm currently using pl/flow...I like it...It has a small to medium learning curve yet its not so complex that you cannot grasp what it is doing. I've built some HTMLDB admin screens on top of the pl/flow. Overall again I'm pleased with pl/flow. I've looked at Oracle workflow 2.+ and I didnt care for its complexity. Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:08:00 GMT | (4) hparla Mark, Even we are planning to integrate workflow in one of our up-coming applications. I request you to post the step-by-step instructions on how did you integrate the PL/Flow into your HTML DB application. Thanks in advance -Pradeep WVU PS: Please Please Please.... Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:09:00 GMT | (5) markgriffin Well I actually did the inverse... I integrated HTMLDB with/on top of PL/FLOW(truly i'm not trying to playing with semantics of words)... Essentially I took the PL/FLOW examples(table data, anon pl/sql block) that come with PL/FLOW and leveraged/built upon them. Then I built some HTMLDB screens around the PL/FLOW processes. I used Oracle WorkFlow screen shots as something to go buy. I built a HTMLDB review screen for PL/FLOW(review all workflows), approval screen for PL/FLOW, admin screen for PL/FLOW and so on... More specifics on the main workflow screen: The most complex screen I built create new workflow screen. Here is where I assign activity name > step number > participant name > workflow role.

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In my simple mind you have to give the users the ability to create workflow entities/attributes, then you have to give them the ability to assign those workflow entities/attributes to processes/people/roles. Hope this helps! Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:10:00 GMT | (6) bobrudolf I did pretty much the same thing Mark did. Run the examples that come with PL/FLOW until you understand what is happening. I then put some messages in the various modules to further help me understand the overall processing steps. Once I understood all that it was fairly easy to do the HTMLDB part. Since the users are the ones actually running and reviewing the flows, it is essential you get them involved early otherwise they will get hopelessly confused when they look a the output even though you make the screens as simple as possible. Simple to us to complex to them. If you take them through the process as you develop they are already trained when you start using it. Keep Smiling, Bob R Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:11:00 GMT | (7) hparla Mark & Bob, Thank you so much and I'll give a shot at PL/Flow and keep you updated. Thanks again - Pradeep

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