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I posted on CUC that I felt I have surpassed the point of miscarriage. That if I was going to miscarry that I probably would be right now as this is when I have always . Anyway A lady that I bump heads with about doctrinal things quoted these scriptures to me and I just didn't reply... I have read those verses before but I also know enough that many that tithe still miscarry and many that don't miscarry don't tithe LOL We have a different perspective on the tithe than many. I used to tithe giving aprox a third of my income then I married a man that had been terribly abused in a church that really played on it's people's emotions and milked them for all they were worth... he wasn't ready to be so giving as I had been as a single so I submitted to him in it. He can be very generous and we have given moneys many times but more as offerings our regular tithes as a couple in the past have been meager... As for now we don't fellowship anywhere nor are we very trusting of many 'christian' organizations that look for donations... we don't give financially very often... However we give of ourselves when the Lord presents us with a project or individuals that are directly in our paths... we have given material items or physical service many times to those that had need for something.... Anyway, I don't really base my miscarriages on these scripture... However. it has nagged me that we have lost so much in recent years... I talk to the Lord about it. I don't know that I will reply to her. I'll probably just let it go. Amen! Praise the Lord! Have you read these scriptures on miscarriage? Exodus 23:26 (King James Version) 26There shall nothing cast their young, nor be barren, in thy land: the number of thy days I will fulfil.

Malachi 3:10-11 (King James Version) 10Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. 11And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.

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Death, to a child of God is a mirage, an illusion that Christ has shattered. How can such a woman "miscarry?" We rest in the Lord, not perish or feel permanent loss. So that's my 0.2 I'd personally reply that I have no losses - as such - in Christ. I have faith that my babies are the heritage of the Lord, whether they get a full season on this planet or not. As to tithe, I belong 100% to God, and so does everything under my care. I can't give God what he already has. I can't take credit for the size of my donations, either. For one, they wouldn't exist without God, and for another, God is doing the caring and the giving through me, so He should get the credit, rather than me saying = "I pay tithe" --- And I would say, "to whome?" to a church that sold out the the State via a 501c3? I just say "God, show me where the money should go" - and use it with gratitude at the chance to serve and be served. And now you can see partly why I might be strange to the big tithe payers.

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Well meaning people will say the most inappropriate things sometimes. The Scripture says what it says, no doubt about that. But it is not so simple to understand the meaning or the application. Even theologians disagree, so we should be very careful not to try to apply them to the lives of others as some sort of hocus-pocus or magic words that will spare us from loss or suffering. What is the tithe? What is "increase"? Where should the tithe go? Were the words spoken by Malachi talking about a national curse rather than an individual one? My first pregnancy during this marriage with Samuel ended in miscarriage. A believing woman told my mother-in-law that God killed our baby because I was divorced, and therefore the marriage was adulterous. While I would never argue with her about the adulterous marriage part (it can be supported by Scripture) the notion that it naturally cause the death of our child is pretty much over the top. I think it is not so common that any death can be attributed to the violation of some single verse or passage in Scripture. We will all die and our days are known to God before there is even one of them. God knows the days of our children as well. <<hugs>> to you, Jacinda... pregnancy is probably not a good time to be debating others about your walk with God.

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I've read over all the relevant verses about miscarriage and studied several times over the last 10 years. I personally have come to the conclusion that miscarriage is a curse. There is a basic scriptural principal of Life=Blessing and Death=Curse. If we obey God we have Life and Blessing and if we disobey we have Death and Curse. While I don't understand all the reasons I have miscarried I've come to some conclusions. 1. Even though it is painful to miscarry it has brought forth in my/our lives deep self examination. Its made me personally look at my life and my walk with the Lord and reconize the areas that are not pleasing to him. We should judge ourselves. We should work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. When we suffer in our flesh we cease from sin. These are all good things. Judgement should begin at the house of God. 2. All things work together for good.... I can look back now at my miscarriages and see more of the picture in hindsight. The work that God was doing in my life. One miscarriage was the door opener to my husband and I dealing with tough issues in our marriage. If that is what it took, God shaking us, to be where I am now with my husband, I am thankful. 3. For me, miscarrying has came with lessons in trusting God and knowing his voice. Miscarrying has made me scramble and over analyze and fall into condemnation barely known to man. Learning to trust God and his word brought peace to my soul. God says in Hebrews that if we're not chastened than we are not his. When I chasten one of my children I make sure they know what they are being chasten for I know God does that for his children. He doesn't whup me and leave me confused as to why.

I think tithing is a personal issue between believers and the Lord. What God may require of me might be different than what he requires of you. The bible says God loves a cheerful giver not the giver who gave X amount of money. If God is after you about tithing I'd think that you can trust him to talk to your husband about it. (assuming your husband makes the decisions about tithing) You can relax knowing that God is able and you get to be the supportive wife.

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Death, to a child of God is a mirage, an illusion that Christ has shattered. How can such a woman "miscarry?" We rest in the Lord, not perish or feel permanent loss. So that's my 0.2 I'd personally reply that I have no losses - as such - in Christ. I have faith that my babies are the heritage of the Lord, whether they get a full season on this planet or not. Jeremiah 17:7-10 As to tithe, I belong 100% to God, and so does everything under my care. I can't give God what he already has. I can't take credit for the size of my donations, either. For one, they wouldn't exist without God, and for another, God is doing the caring and the giving through me, so He should get the credit, rather than me saying = "I pay tithe" --- And I would say, "to whome?" to a church that sold out the the State via a 501c3? I just say "God, show me where the money should go" - and use it with gratitude at the chance to serve and be served. And now you can see partly why I might be strange to the big tithe payers.

That is a refreshing insight Jess about miscarried little ones... I do believe that too. Sometimes it is hard to remember though when you go through a string of losses. that is how we believe about the tithe... When I gave as I did I gave to Christ, but my eyes were opened as to how money was often spent after it passed through my hands and to the church boards... I believe my husband had that heart and realization in his single days too. We gave because we had no dependents and we could 'suffer' a little without it being detrimental to others. My employment was truly a ministry and my shelter was a special blessing that was arranged by the Lord for my discipleship very little 'rent was asked of me... I always felt so thankful that I wasn't alone in some lonely apartment coming and going to do what I had to do to make it on my own... as I'd lived that way for the most part of my first year out of my mom's house. It was scary and very, very hard emotionally and physically.

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Quote from: Dana on January 28, 2010, 09:29:25 PM I've read over all the relevant verses about miscarriage and studied several times over the last 10 years. I personally have come to the conclusion that miscarriage is a curse. There is a basic scriptural principal of Life=Blessing and Death=Curse. If we obey God we have Life and Blessing and if we disobey we have Death and Curse. While I don't understand all the reasons I have miscarried I've come to some conclusions. 1. Even though it is painful to miscarry it has brought forth in my/our lives deep self examination. Its made me personally look at my life and my walk with the Lord and reconize the areas that are not pleasing to him. We should judge ourselves. We should work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. When we suffer in our flesh we cease from sin. These are all good things. Judgement should begin at the house of God. 2. All things work together for good.... I can look back now at my miscarriages and see more of the picture in hindsight. The work that God was doing in my life. One miscarriage was the door opener to my husband and I dealing with tough issues in our marriage. If that is what it took, God shaking us, to be where I am now with my husband, I am thankful. 3. For me, miscarrying has came with lessons in trusting God and knowing his voice. Miscarrying has made me scramble and over analyze and fall into condemnation barely known to man. Learning to trust God and his word brought peace to my soul. God says in Hebrews that if we're not chastened than we are not his. When I chasten one of my children I make sure they know what they are being chasten for I know God does that for his children. He doesn't whup me and leave me confused as to why.

Jeremiah 17:7-10

I think tithing is a personal issue between believers and the Lord. What God may require of me might be different than what he requires of you. The bible says God loves a cheerful giver not the giver who gave X amount of money. If God is after you about tithing I'd think that you can trust him to talk to your husband about it. (assuming your husband makes the decisions about tithing) You can relax knowing that God is able and you get to be the supportive wife.

We've gone through that process too and other times we just gladly thanked the Lord for the blessing of the short pregnancy and moved on in His service, with little contemplation. Each miscarriage has been different. I think the first one and this last one have been the most emotional and questioning. the other point of perplexion with that piece of scripture is that here we are with 5children in 10 years of marriage and another being safely knit in the womb in our eleventh year of marriage! So it is not feasible to make assumptions that we are being condemned for anything -HE KEEPS BLESSING! ten pregnancies in a little over ten years... Though there aren't any churches we deem safe in our area we'd be open to having some kind of home fellowship, but all my husbands contacts at work are either involved in a church or a cult or just not spiritually minded in the least. I have one lady friend that is a believer but her husband and her extended family are not... they are scary people extremely anti homeschool etc... they have been very cruel to her and I shutter to think what they would do to us if they caught wind of our existence! Chew us up and spit us out 5/7/10 1:12 PM comes to mind! The next door neighbor that I so hoped would come to Yeshua... they started going to the local Catholic Church and her husband has been very

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While I don't understand all the reasons I have miscarried I've come to some conclusions. ....... All things work together for good.... I can look back now at my miscarriages and see more of the picture in hindsight. The work that God was doing in my life. One miscarriage was the door opener to my husband and I dealing with tough issues in our marriage. If that is what it took, God shaking us, to be where I am now with my husband, I am thankful. 3Learning to trust God and his word brought peace to my soul. God says in Hebrews that if we're not chastened than we are not his. When I chasten one of my children I make sure they know what they are being chasten for I know God does that for his children. He doesn't whup me and leave me confused as to why.

I have to agree with the concept of chastening of the beloved son. My favorite way to take the pain and trouble of life is as a learning or growth opportunity. I don't even have to be able to understand it all, since I know the picture is much bigger than my puny cranium can hold, but I try anyway, and I feel a sense of trust and being cared for. Granted, it isn't a cure for my bad mood. I was pathetic last month. I guess I am not a very smooth, strong person with lots of inner fortitude - or perhaps the loneliness just ran too deep. When a problem does go unresolved it can feel like it's killing you in small pieces. Speaking of recent pain ---my pining for a baby is a good example of God doing something good with something that hurt. I didn't come out to a place where I no longer pine for or desire a child, but it was an experience that led to much greater peace and happiness. And I have hope for a nearer future with more children. I'm sorry to the ladies who are thinking about thier profound guilt and disapointment with miscarriage - I realize that it may not be fair to compare what I went through with the losses you've had, but it was a tough thing for me, and easier for me to make comparisons with right now than with the miscarriages I've had.

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I agree that miscarriage can certainly be a time of self-examination. And it should be. What I think is not good is when I try to be the one telling another woman what God is teaching her. It's one thing if a close friend ask questions and I answer, but to presume to know God's will for a virtual stranger (or a true stranger and only a virtual friend) is high minded.

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If there is one thing I have learned in helping women through pregnancy losses.....it is that "God does not think as man thinks"..... Man thinks life should be born before being subject to death. When in fact Life begins at conception...and from the moment there is life, it is subject to death. For a woman who experiences a pregnancy loss, there is a deep feeling of being alone because they feel that they are the one that has felt the life that was lost. (even if you didn't feel your baby move, you are still aware of the essence of that person.) Fathers morn the loss so differently that many women feel like they were the one that "really loved their baby".....and siblings may not even be aware of what happened..... One Truth that is vital for women to remember is that God knew and loved that life.....and He understands well the pain of losing a child....

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